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Lazy Lob
11-15-2006, 03:56 PM
He aimed and shot but did not intend to murder. But why did he aim and shoot? Out of love? I don’t understand this crap but maybe that’s why I’m not a judge. He admits murder but the judge says not, put persil washed him clean.


BBC NEWS
Man admits firing fatal Pc shot
One of the five men accused of the murder of Pc Sharon Beshenivsky after an armed robbery in Bradford last year has said he fired the fatal shot.

But Yusuf Abdillh Jamma, 20, of Whitmore Road, Small Heath, Birmingham, denies murder, saying he did not fire the 9mm pistol intentionally.

He admitted at Newcastle Crown Court two firearms offences and robbery.

Muzzaker Imtiaz Shah, 25, was cleared of attempting to murder Pc Teresa Milburn, Mrs Beshenivsky's colleague.

Shah has already pleaded guilty to the murder of Pc Beshenivsky outside the Universal Express travel agents on 18 November 2005, but denies firing the gun that killed her.

The judge, Mr Justice Andrew Smith, told the jury he had no case to answer over the attempted murder of Pc Milburn and directed them to return a not guilty verdict.

Earlier in the trial, Pc Milburn sobbed in the witness box as she recalled seeing Pc Beshenivsky's head "flop" to the side before she collapsed in a heap in front of her.

She recalled seeing an Asian man and a black man in the doorway of the premises, with the Asian man pointing a gun towards them.

The mother-of-one told the court the Asian man was responsible for injuring her and shooting dead her colleague.

Giving evidence in the witness box, Jamma admitted the gun which killed Pc Beshenivsky was discharged while it was in his possession.

He repeatedly denied the prosecution's suggestions that his version of events was a lie "to try to help Muzzaker Shah get off the attempted murder of Pc Milburn."

Peter Griffiths, QC, defending Jamma, asked his client if he "accepted that when the gun was discharged, fatally injuring Pc Beshenivsky, that that gun was in your possession at that time?"

Jamma replied: "Yes."

He told the court the three robbers inside the travel agents were his brother Mustaf, who remains on the run, Shah, and himself.

He said they all "started to panic" when two community wardens, who they thought were police officers, approached the locked door of the premises.

He said that everything happened "in a split second" when they left the travel agents.

Jamma, who was carrying a 9mm pistol fitted with a silencer, said what happened next was a "blur".

"I just remember hearing me pulling the trigger, sort of thing," he said.

"It wasn't a loud bang. It wasn't as loud as the bang we heard inside. It was sort of muzzled."

Asked by Mr Griffiths if he intentionally discharged the gun, he said: "No, I didn't."

Asked if he knew the gun he had was real and loaded, he said: "No, I didn't."

Asked if he remembered a second discharge of the gun, Jamma said: "I recall nothing at all from that point on. I carried on running away."

Asked if he recalled a third discharge of the gun, Jamma said: "No, not at all."

The three other accused, Raza Ul-Haq Aslam, 25, of St Pancras Way, Kentish Town, north London; Faisal Razzaq, 25, and his 26-year-old brother Hassan, both of Sebert Road, Forest Gate, east London, all deny murder.

The trial continues.
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/england/bradford/6150198.stm

Published: 2006/11/15 13:40:09 GMT

© BBC MMVI

Freedom06
11-15-2006, 04:01 PM
What a scumbag... maybe if he wore a veil he could win on appeal.....

" Just remember hearing me pulling the trigger, sort of thing"!!!

Lazy Lob
11-15-2006, 04:04 PM
What a scumbag... maybe if he wore a veil he could win on appeal.....

Who...the judge or that darling Yusuf?

John John Peters
11-15-2006, 04:17 PM
They can't be guilty, they're muslims. In Blairs Britain muslims can do anything they want.

Freedom06
11-15-2006, 04:20 PM
Yusuf, not that I want to help his defence team, but they could claim it perverted the course of justice in the original trial.. don't listen to me, I'm just being silly....

Lazy Lob
11-15-2006, 04:33 PM
Yusuf, not that I want to help his defence team, but they could claim it perverted the course of justice in the original trial.. don't listen to me, I'm just being silly....

So was I ;-) . But at times I’m perplexed by these events.

Freedom06
11-15-2006, 04:35 PM
He admits murder but the judge says not

No, Yusuf and Shah admit murder of Beshenivsky... since Shah didn't have the gun (?) I guess the judge directed them to find Shah not guilty of the attempted murder of PC Milburn .. That's the only reason I can see.. wait I'm confused if you are an accomplice but didn't actually pull the trigger you can still be charged with murder I guess, so what is different with attempted murder? I guess there is something we don't know here. Or am I just being confused..

tyovan
11-15-2006, 05:30 PM
I seriously don't understand Britain.
How did it go from being such a great, powerful country to bending over backwards for political correctness??
How can this guy have been found not guilty? Lock them both up and throw away the key. Keep them locked up for life too... "Life" under the UK justice system seems to mean 10 years.

Lazy Lob
11-15-2006, 05:55 PM
Yes, you’re right I misread. But even so I am still puzzled at how quick of the mark the judge was to direct the jury with regards to Shah. As you say he’s an accomplice I’m no fan of lynch mob mentality but this seems to be going too far the other way.

Time for a kip. Night all.

Freedom06
11-15-2006, 06:01 PM
Paxman is too amusing and laconical to miss by sleeping... he hasn't done his round up of tommorows' papers yet ( flinging them across the table with a sneer of contempt)....

Next time read the article, tut :roll: p-)

Paul in Saudi2
11-16-2006, 09:12 AM
So the gun just went off? Novel defense.

kaspur_eh
11-16-2006, 11:25 AM
More Gun Control QUICK!!!

Mr Gently Benevolent
11-16-2006, 12:16 PM
I seriously don't understand Britain.
How did it go from being such a great, powerful country to bending over backwards for political correctness??
How can this guy have been found not guilty? Lock them both up and throw away the key. Keep them locked up for life too... "Life" under the UK justice system seems to mean 10 years.I seriously don’t understand where you are coming from on this one tyovan, there is little scent of political correctness in this case. We will all at some time in our lives disagree with judicial outcomes they are not always fair or logical in our eyes mostly because we are rarely in possession of the full facts. To prove a point hands up all those that would let their kid go to a pyjama party at Wonderland.

Lazy Lob
11-16-2006, 12:20 PM
More Gun Control QUICK!!!

No, but there are going to publish a white paper that will require all males over the age of 3 and females over the age nine to have their index fingers surgically removed. On both hands. p-)