Weapon Safeties in Combat

[mustamato]

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Look at the magazines, that´s the reason to why I don´t like bullpups, I "always"
had to two magazines taped together. And also the safety is on a seriously
fokked up place on that Chinese rifle, so I wonder if they have the safety on, would
take some time to take it off, and if they have it off already, then accidents
could happen.

[tacticalmanta]

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[mustamato]

1. the safety should not be on
2. they make magazine couplers, so tape is not necessary.

1.) The safety should be on yes. You find a good reason on this list. Many US
soldiers have died because of "non-hostile fire". It´s simply unprofessional
and dangerous behaviour to not have the safety on, except when shooting at
something other than your buddies.

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2003/iraq/forces/casualties/

http://remtek.com/arms/hk/mil/mp5/mp510/mp510.gif
With on I mean like this

2.) I doubt a magazine coupler would be usefull on that particular Chinese rifle.

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[Hydro]

"Real" soldiers don't go on duty with their safeties on? I'm assuming you mean combat, because I'd be a little concerned at a GI/Squaddie/Insert National Soldier here sitting on gate duty with a weapon made ready and the safety catch off. The safety should always be on unless there's a good reason it shouldn't be on.

[tacticalmanta]

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[Chris1]

tacticalmantra, I have not been in combat, I have been shot at but not "in combat"
I was a professional infantry soldier, you're wrong.
Patrolling a round up the spout and safety off is idiotic and if you were behind me on a patrol I would consider you an immediate threat to my life and shoot you.
On stag, if you are standing there with same situation, you are far more likely to put a round though the O/C's wifes car than a terrorist about to shoot you.
There are several circumstances in combat where the safety should be on.
Saying "Well you haven't done it for real" doesn't **** ing count.
If you are doing it in training you should be doing it for real, if you aren't then you either need to take up your flawed training methods with your boss, or train more.
In the circumstances in the photo above, if his safety was off, stood in front of dignitaries and members of the public, then he should have his rifle taken off him and sent home.

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[J-10]

http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20040413/i/r24874892.jpg

A security guard escorts a Chinese diplomat in the Iraqi capital of Baghdad April 13, 2004. Seven Chinese hostages were released to a Sunni clerical organization and then handed over to Chinese diplomats. REUTERS/Laszlo Balogh



:lol: Wow! Good News!
This is a Chinese 95 type 5.8 mm assault rifles, looks cool!

[Undo]

Then you are stupid. You will get shot and all you did as serve as a shield for the people in front of you. If you were under my command and did not follow policy and endangered the lives of the unit, you'd find yourself in a world of hurt.

You obviously know nothing of anti-terror or security detail.. you are guard a dignitary with your safety on.. you, your men, and the dignitary are all dead. By the time you raise your weapon, site-in, and removed the safety, and maybe chamber a round, your brains are washing the steps.

No wonder the British Empire was chased out of most of the colonies.

:cantbeli:

[Chris1]

Then you are stupid. You will get shot and all you did as serve as a shield for the people in front of you. If you were under my command and did not follow policy and endangered the lives of the unit, you'd find yourself in a world of hurt.

You obviously know nothing of anti-terror or security detail.. you are guard a dignitary with your safety on.. you, your men, and the dignitary are all dead. By the time you raise your weapon, site-in, and removes the safety, and maybe chamber a round, your brains are washing the steps.

No wonder the British Empire was chased out of most of the colonies.
I pity the poor bastard who has to walk with you though dangerous places.
Carry on as you're doing mate, when you put a bullet though (hopefully) someones leg and probably someones head and say "well, I thought this was the best way to do it"
Come back
I'll be glad to debate the point.
Till then, I'm glad I don't have to go anywhere near you and your policy.
Have a nice, hopefully firearm free day.
By the way, here is a little bit of history about someone else who followed your apparent policy
KFOR Spokesman, Maj. Scott Slaten

Update on Shooting
An update on the accidental shooting of the six year old boy in MNB East. A young KFOR US soldier, assigned to the 2nd Battalion, 3rd Field Artillery Regiment of the 1st Armored Division, was guarding equipment and vehicles with a squad (12) other soldiers.

The unit was assisting in the construction of a fence around the perimeter of a local school located in the village of Gornja Slatina. This operation was part of the unit. s ongoing sponsorship program with the local community.

Around 1:40 p.m. the soldier. s weapon, a M249 SAW (Squad Assault Weapon) fired a three round burst and two of those bullets struck six year old Gentrit Rexhepi in the chest and arm.

Two soldiers immediately went to the boy and began to provide first aid. One of those soldiers was a trained Combat Lifesaver and did his best to stabilize the boy for evacuation.

The boy was then medically evacuated to the 212th Mobile Army Surgical Hospital (MASH) at Camp Bondsteel. Upon arrival at the hospital three doctors worked feverishly to perform emergency surgery on the child. After exhaustive attempts to save his life, he was pronounced dead at 2:45 p.m.

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[ibstolidude]

You're an idiot. Real soldiers do not go on duty with their safeties on. In my particular unit, we deploy with 1 in the chamber, safeties up and off. That is the official policy and no one has been shot accidentally.

It's doubtful you have ever served in combat.
what unit would that be?

[Mechanical Ambush]

Keep your safety "ON" or I'll kick your ass! :bash:

My old unit.......
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/asiapcf/04/12/afghanistan.conflict/index.html

[Red]

what the heck are you talking about?what do you think they put the saftey switches for in the first place?you can not walk around with an unsafe weapon arond me,that would get you a one way ticket to hell :-*$

[Fintin]

those chinese guy make me want to crap myself....the look on their faces seems to be enough to kill ya

[Undo]

I just follow protocal and it's protocal for a reason. Your commentary shows that you know very little about soldiering.

Maybe the soliders are so moronic in your unit that they cannot be trusted to control thier weapons off-safety. Perhaps your unit should just be desolved, because the only service they would provide would be target practice for the enemy.

All your emotion sounds a lot like these so-called British officers crying about "heavy-handed" tactics. It's time to get with the program and learn being s soldier is not a game and the price at the least is your life.

BTW, I am not Army... to be in the Coast Guard, your scores need to be a bit higher. To carry a weapon, you must qualifiy on a regular basis, including safety tests.

BS meter....pinging....pinging....

What station are you assigned to? What type of vessel are you on? Where have you seen combat? When do you lock and load, on the pier, just before boarding, when? When do safeties get switched off?

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[Chris1]

I just follow protocal and it's protocal for a reason. Your commentary shows that you know very little about soldiering.

Soldiering was my profession.
I was not an SAS ninja top 10% type, but I don't have a problem saying during that time I was a damn good soldier

Maybe the soliders are so moronic in your unit that they cannot be trusted to control thier weapons off-safety. Perhaps your unit should just be desolved, because the only service they would provide would be target practice for the enemy.
I trusted them enough not to put a bullet though my butt cheeks when they move position during a section attack, because their safety is on.
I don't trust you

All your emotion sounds a lot like these so-called British officers crying about "heavy-handed" tactics. It's time to get with the program and learn being s soldier is not a game and the price at the least is your life.
Soldiers who I have known well have very nearly paid that price because of exactly your attitude "I'm **** hot me, I'm a soldier, I've been on a few stints and sit higher up in the mess"

BTW, I am not Army... to be in the Coast Guard, your scores need to be a bit higher. To carry a weapon, you must qualifiy on a regular basis, including safety tests.
you **** ing stud.
oh yeah, in the army we just hand them out to any dumb bastard who comes along.
FAIL ANY ONE OF THE REGULAR PROFICENCY TESTS IN THE ARMY YOU CANNOT HANDLE A FIREARM
A SOLDIER NOT QUALIFIED TO HANDLE A FIREARM IS NOT A SOLDIER FOR LONG.

[G1]

tacticalmanta seems to have a problem discussing firearms safety without constantly and unprovokedly insulting the opposition.

Yes, the Chinese security detail look quite intimidating, I rarely see pics of the QBZ-95 like this. Nice pics all around.

[Mechanical Ambush]

2. Israel

This is a policy any Coastie GM or Weapo will tell you.

Remind me to wear my flak-jacket next time in Israel! :cantbeli:

[He219]

Reminds me of Black Hawk Down:

I'm talking about your weapon, soldier. Now Delta or no-Delta, that's still a hot weapon. Your safety should be on at all times.
p-)

[Chris1]

:D
if tacticalmantra was delta....
...I still wouldn't let him off :)

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[USMA_SCUBA]

BTW, I am not Army... to be in the Coast Guard, your scores need to be a bit higher. To carry a weapon, you must qualifiy on a regular basis, including safety tests.

Because if carrying a loaded weapon around on dry land isn't dangerous enough with the safety off, then moving around the deck of a boat out at sea with the safety off seems MUCH smarter.

[tacticalmanta]

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[M203]

Coast guards == soldiers? not in my world.

Unless you have served in a military unit I'd say you dont know anything about soldiering.

Have a good day

[tacticalmanta]

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[Chris1]

Maybe they are tougher than army tests over there, I don't know, but they would be carrying a rifle with live ammunition a lot more than coast guard.
To be deployed to a operational area, over here anyway
ANY trade
You MUST be up to date on your AWPT, this was the case when I was in and from what I hear, still the case now.
To Infantry soldiers, it doesn't matter because during the work up you will be doing it again.
and again.
and again.
and again.

[IDFM203]

I don’t want to (nor like to) disagree with a fellow supporter, but as far as I know, most Israelis combat infantry soldiers when on regular patrol do have their safeties on.

(though for other cases or on some missions that is not always the case ;) )


Shalom :D

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[He219]

Coast guards == soldiers? not in my world.

Unless you have served in a military unit I'd say you dont know anything about soldiering.

Have a good day

Coast Guard is military.. technically sailors.. but sailors with more combat experience than any Swede since WW2
:lol: He's right M203!

From uscg.mil

http://cgvi.uscg.mil/preserver/views/mini/23/236014.jpg

http://cgvi.uscg.mil/preserver/views/mini/23/236017.jpg

ARABIAN GULF (Dec. 31, 2003)--Members of the U.S. Coast Guard Law Enforcement Detachment (LEDET) 405 search a merchant vessel for possible terrorists and hidden compartments used to smuggle Iraqi oil. Coast Guard LEDETs are often deployed aboard U.S. Navy ships and they are considered specialists in vessel boardings and shipboard investigations. The Miami based LEDET 405 is depolyed to the Arabian Gulf to assist coalition forces as part of Operation Iraqi Freedom and Maritime Interception Operations.USCG photo by PA1 Matthew Belson

p-)

[Red]

what the heck are you talking about?what do you think they put the saftey switches for in the first place?you can not walk around with an unsafe weapon arond me,that would get you a one way ticket to hell :-*$

1. Not all weapons have a safey. The Sig P226 for example.
2. Weapons safeties are good for transport, instruction, and low risk environments.

Rationally, if you didn't now anything else about a person other than his weapon is not on safe and he has lots of combat experience.. you'd have to be mentally ill to threaten him.
Well i cant say that you are lying because i dont know you or what circumsatnce you are operating in but wheni was in the service,we always had the damn saftey on.I have seen 5 guys injured and one of them killed by accidental discharge.

[IDFM203]

achem.. several of the pistols the IDF carries do not have safties...yes pistols is something else.

I wasn’t sure the conversation was limited to that.

btw for handguns in the IDF in general, forget about just safties on, well I am not even sure a lot carry a round chambered for that is why there is that "Israeli draw" that Americans feel is absurd

Shalom :D

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[martinexsquaddie]

well thats fine for a double action pistol thats why there designed double action.
most rifles are carried safety on unless fireing even sniper rifles the attitude displayed in black hawk down the Book that my finger is my safety IMHO is bloody stupid "yeah you may be **** hot but around junior soldiers that look up to you a careless regard for safety catches could get you killed by some pratt following your example. :( .
even with the SA80 it takes no thought to slip the safety off before shooting with out even moving the sight picture. so no good reason for not keeping the safety catch on

[Claymore]

2. Israel

This is a policy any Coastie GM or Weapo will tell you.

Remind me to wear my flak-jacket next time in Israel! :cantbeli:

I would recommend IIIA vest with IV plate...in case that he don't carry a BB gun.

...ummm...no. It's best to be as far as possible.

[Geezah]

what the heck are you talking about?what do you think they put the saftey switches for in the first place?you can not walk around with an unsafe weapon arond me,that would get you a one way ticket to hell :-*$

1. Not all weapons have a safey. The Sig P226 for example.
2. Weapons safeties are good for transport, instruction, and low risk environments.

Rationally, if you didn't now anything else about a person other than his weapon is not on safe and he has lots of combat experience.. you'd have to be mentally ill to threaten him.

Actually you're wrong about #1,


From the owner's manual:

"SIGs have a four point safety system:

1. Patented automatic firing-pin lock.
2. Decocking lever.
3. Safety intercept notch.
4. Disconnector.

Principal Features:

We've designed the automatic firing pin lock to provide additional safety with the hammer in either the cocked or decocked position. You can fire the pistol only by pulling the trigger. The double-action feature and the absence of manual safeties make it easier for you to get off a quick first shot. A decocking lever allows you to lower the hammer safely into the safety intercept notch without touching the trigger. While you're doing this the firing pin remains automatically locked. High contrast sights help you line up on the target rapidly, even under poor light conditions. Ergonomically designed grip plates, ideal grip angle and comfortable grip dimensions facilitate rapid and accurate shooting. The closed design helps keep dirt, sand and other debris out of the action.

What you should know about the decocking lever:

The decocking lever on the SIG SAUER pistol is designed for the express purpose of decocking the firearm. The reason it is there is because it is not safe practice to decock a pistol by pulling the trigger and attempting to ease the hammer forward manually. To decock your pistol push down the decocking lever (keep your finger off the trigger while you do this)."


I own two P226 & P239 ;)

[Red]

what the heck are you talking about?what do you think they put the saftey switches for in the first place?you can not walk around with an unsafe weapon arond me,that would get you a one way ticket to hell :-*$

1. Not all weapons have a safey. The Sig P226 for example.
2. Weapons safeties are good for transport, instruction, and low risk environments.

Rationally, if you didn't now anything else about a person other than his weapon is not on safe and he has lots of combat experience.. you'd have to be mentally ill to threaten him.

Actually you're wrong about #1,


From the owner's manual:

"SIGs have a four point safety system:

1. Patented automatic firing-pin lock.
2. Decocking lever.
3. Safety intercept notch.
4. Disconnector.

Principal Features:

We've designed the automatic firing pin lock to provide additional safety with the hammer in either the cocked or decocked position. You can fire the pistol only by pulling the trigger. The double-action feature and the absence of manual safeties make it easier for you to get off a quick first shot. A decocking lever allows you to lower the hammer safely into the safety intercept notch without touching the trigger. While you're doing this the firing pin remains automatically locked. High contrast sights help you line up on the target rapidly, even under poor light conditions. Ergonomically designed grip plates, ideal grip angle and comfortable grip dimensions facilitate rapid and accurate shooting. The closed design helps keep dirt, sand and other debris out of the action.

What you should know about the decocking lever:

The decocking lever on the SIG SAUER pistol is designed for the express purpose of decocking the firearm. The reason it is there is because it is not safe practice to decock a pistol by pulling the trigger and attempting to ease the hammer forward manually. To decock your pistol push down the decocking lever (keep your finger off the trigger while you do this)."


I own two P226 & P239 ;)
I love Sigs but our regular issued pistols were Browning .45HP pistols.I prefer the .45 to a 9mm.I think the .45 has great stopping power and i just love the feel of that damn gun

[big_les]

I don't mind different points of view or discuss as long as it stays rational.



What's rational about insulting strangers on a BBS virtually at random without knowledge of their experience, intelligence, and critical skills? Because it seems to me that a high percentage of your posts are bizarrely abusive to the point of coming across as though you have bipolar disorder. Suggesting that the British empire fell due to having their safeties on....? Your posts are at least diverting.

As has been pointed out already, there is an argument for carrying double-action pistols in a ready state, as they have an inherent 'safety'. However, no-one in their right mind, soldier or not, would carry a single action pistol, or a long arm ('Delta' notwithstanding...) in any situation other than an engagement, without the safety on.

[M203]

Coast guards == soldiers? not in my world.

Unless you have served in a military unit I'd say you dont know anything about soldiering.

Have a good day

Coast Guard is military.. technically sailors.. but sailors with more combat experience than any Swede since WW2
:lol: He's right M203!

From uscg.mil

http://cgvi.uscg.mil/preserver/views/mini/23/236014.jpg

http://cgvi.uscg.mil/preserver/views/mini/23/236017.jpg

ARABIAN GULF (Dec. 31, 2003)--Members of the U.S. Coast Guard Law Enforcement Detachment (LEDET) 405 search a merchant vessel for possible terrorists and hidden compartments used to smuggle Iraqi oil. Coast Guard LEDETs are often deployed aboard U.S. Navy ships and they are considered specialists in vessel boardings and shipboard investigations. The Miami based LEDET 405 is depolyed to the Arabian Gulf to assist coalition forces as part of Operation Iraqi Freedom and Maritime Interception Operations.USCG photo by PA1 Matthew Belson

p-)

So then it is sailor! Soldiers are out in the fields like the guys IN iraq or the guys in kosovo or the guys in afghanistan or like me when i was in bosnia or when i was i kosovo. A coast guard is not a soldier walking kilometers after kilometers with heavy gear or doing lurks or... A coast guard is a sailor. Therefore a coast guard may have experience in boarding ships but this doesnt give him experience in soldiering as a whole. He is a but a sailor.

Have a good day

[oldsoak]

Having had to crawl through muddy ditches and confined spaces at night with both SLR and later the SA80, my preference is to have the safety on until its party time. It gives me peace of mind and does wonders for the morale of the chap in front. Its suprising how quickly you can take the safety off when the need arises.

[Red]

Having had to crawl through muddy ditches and confined spaces at night with both SLR and later the SA80, my preference is to have the safety on until its party time. It gives me peace of mind and does wonders for the morale of the chap in front. Its suprising how quickly you can take the safety off when the need arises.
SLR's kick ass,i hated to see that baby phased out :hug:

[Geezah]

what the heck are you talking about?what do you think they put the saftey switches for in the first place?you can not walk around with an unsafe weapon arond me,that would get you a one way ticket to hell :-*$

1. Not all weapons have a safey. The Sig P226 for example.
2. Weapons safeties are good for transport, instruction, and low risk environments.

Rationally, if you didn't now anything else about a person other than his weapon is not on safe and he has lots of combat experience.. you'd have to be mentally ill to threaten him.

Actually you're wrong about #1,


From the owner's manual:

"SIGs have a four point safety system:

1. Patented automatic firing-pin lock.
2. Decocking lever.
3. Safety intercept notch.
4. Disconnector.

Principal Features:

We've designed the automatic firing pin lock to provide additional safety with the hammer in either the cocked or decocked position. You can fire the pistol only by pulling the trigger. The double-action feature and the absence of manual safeties make it easier for you to get off a quick first shot. A decocking lever allows you to lower the hammer safely into the safety intercept notch without touching the trigger. While you're doing this the firing pin remains automatically locked. High contrast sights help you line up on the target rapidly, even under poor light conditions. Ergonomically designed grip plates, ideal grip angle and comfortable grip dimensions facilitate rapid and accurate shooting. The closed design helps keep dirt, sand and other debris out of the action.

What you should know about the decocking lever:

The decocking lever on the SIG SAUER pistol is designed for the express purpose of decocking the firearm. The reason it is there is because it is not safe practice to decock a pistol by pulling the trigger and attempting to ease the hammer forward manually. To decock your pistol push down the decocking lever (keep your finger off the trigger while you do this)."


I own two P226 & P239 ;)
I love Sigs but our regular issued pistols were Browning .45HP pistols.I prefer the .45 to a 9mm.I think the .45 has great stopping power and i just love the feel of that damn gun

Yeah.....there sure is something about Sigs, if you like the .45 the P220 is chambered in .45, you also have the choice of 9mm, 357Sig and .40S&W.

[Gordon]

I just follow protocal and it's protocal for a reason. Your commentary shows that you know very little about soldiering.

Maybe the soliders are so moronic in your unit that they cannot be trusted to control thier weapons off-safety. Perhaps your unit should just be desolved, because the only service they would provide would be target practice for the enemy.

All your emotion sounds a lot like these so-called British officers crying about "heavy-handed" tactics. It's time to get with the program and learn being s soldier is not a game and the price at the least is your life.

BTW, I am not Army... to be in the Coast Guard, your scores need to be a bit higher. To carry a weapon, you must qualifiy on a regular basis, including safety tests.

Hold on here mate, you're giving people s**t for knowing nothing about soldiering and you're in the coast guard. So tell me, how do you know so much about soldiering and close protection, you gave the impression in one of your earlier posts that you were quite an expert at close protection.

[He219]

So then it is sailor! Soldiers are out in the fields like the guys IN iraq or the guys in kosovo or the guys in afghanistan or like me when i was in bosnia or when i was i kosovo. A coast guard is not a soldier walking kilometers after kilometers with heavy gear or doing lurks or... A coast guard is a sailor. Therefore a coast guard may have experience in boarding ships but this doesnt give him experience in soldiering as a whole. He is a but a sailor.

Have a good day
Sailors can't be soldiers?

Just because they are USCG doesn't mean they don't know soldiering or proper weapons handling techniques ...
;)

http://cgvi.uscg.mil/preserver/views/mini/23/236728.jpg
ASH SHUAIBA, Kuwait (January 6, 2004)--Petty Officer 2nd Class Jeff Keim, 35, from York, Pa., a member of Coast Guard Port Security Unit (PSU) 308 stands watch in a guard tower. MK2 Keim is a recruiter based out of of Richmond, Va., temporarily assigned to PSU 308 during its deployment to the Arabian Gulf. Coast Guard PSUs are comprised mostly of reservists and are often deployed overseas to protect strategic ports used by the U.S. Navy and coalition forces. USCG Photo by PA1 Matthew Belson

Sailors; I'm not even going to bring up Naval Infantry training or SEAL's ...
p-)

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

Having had to crawl through muddy ditches and confined spaces at night with both SLR and later the SA80, my preference is to have the safety on until its party time. It gives me peace of mind and does wonders for the morale of the chap in front. Its suprising how quickly you can take the safety off when the need arises.

I agree...gives the guy in front piece of mind that at least he wont get shot by his own guys. (especially in the ass)

First lets make it clear, I've had no military training or combat experience. So I guess I will provide the "civillian" point of view.

I cannot comment on Coast Guard policy's because I do not know them. I do know how-ever that in formations or on patrols that the only people with the safety off are always at the front. The people in the back have it "locked and loaded" but safety on, this prevents accidental discharges from behind.

For the Coast Guard it seems like they are using double action pistols. Theres plus sides to this, but still in my mind doesnt require it to have the safety off. If you have enough time to grab your pistol you better believe you have enough time to take the safety off, considering most boarding parties use either Mp5's or M4's I doubt there would be ever much use for the pistol.

[dumdidum]

achem.. several of the pistols the IDF carries do not have safties...

From what I know there are very very very few guns made that has no safety at all, but it is true that there are guns that dont have a "standard" safetyswith but rather a triggersafety. But by no means are thoose guns safetyless.

And tacticalmanta, all the military units I have been in contact with carries their weapons with the safety ON except when they are in situations where the weapon maybe is going to be used. And with all the weapons I have shot, switching the safety from on to off takes less than the blink of an eye. But then I havent shot any bullpups.

[Undo]

In both branches of the military I have served in (USN, USA), the safety was always engaged unless you were in a fight. Period. Full stop. In my law enforcement training, the safety is disengaged when the weapon is brought out of the holster, regardless of whether the first round is double or single action (unless it is a Glock, which has its trigger safety). If you are talking about being part of a boarding party or doing building searches, then yes, safety off. At all other times, however, only a dumbass (or apparently a "coastie") would walk around hot.

I have to say, however, that your attitude makes you seem like you are compensating for something or have some sort of issue that you should probably have addressed. Being in the Coast Guard and insulting organizations for having strict safety policies makes you seem like you are either posing or just too stupid to know any better.

[ibstolidude]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but I am not lying. Proper carry instructions for the 9mm Beretta Pistol in the Coast Guard is as follows:

holstered, with one bullet in the chamber, safety up and OFF.

That is part of PQS Pistol.

You don't have to like it. It's the policy.
there is a big difference between the carry of the M9 and an M4 or even the Chinese afklahfkh(whatever) rifle.

Situations and equipment vary - to state that one should never use the safety on a weapon in combat environment is just plain foolish.

[Mark Sman]

I have a friend who is an Ensign in the Coast Guard. My friend just completed training for boarding party work.

I can't ask at the moment, because his boat is on the water, but I will get a definitive answer to this question from someone who I am absolutely certain knows the answer.

[Mark Sman]

As a matter of fact, isn't the "safety" on a M-9 pistol just a decocker?

Doesn't it return to the up position after you use it?

I don't know. Never used one. I'm a 1911A1 dude.

He he. Just thought I''d throw that live grenade into this discussion.

But my 1911A1 is loaded, safety ON when it is the holster. I takes no time at all to disengage the safety. It is part of the draw action, and you practice it with both hands constantly.

[ibstolidude]

As a matter of fact, isn't the "safety" on a M-9 pistol just a decocker?
Yes and a safety as it rotates the firing pin away from the hammer and disengages the trigger

Doesn't it return to the up position after you use it? No
I don't know. Never used one. I'm a 1911A1 dude.

He he. Just thought I''d throw that live grenade into this discussion.

But my 1911A1 is loaded, safety ON when it is the holster. I takes no time at all to disengage the safety. It is part of the draw action, and you practice it with both hands constantly.

[ForceReaper]

Hey fellas those Chinese guys may not be soldiers at all but Chinese secret service in a hot zone. If they are in a protection detail in a hot zone, like Iraq, safeties WILL be off!!

[ibstolidude]

Hey fellas those Chinese guys may not be soldiers at all but Chinese secret service in a hot zone. If they are in a protection detail in a hot zone, like Iraq, safeties WILL be off!!
I would certainly agree inrgards to what I would do
but, as I am not nor ever been on a chinese CP with a chinese ?nom.?? assualt rifle I would not know what they did or are doing or should do.

however:
You're an idiot. Real soldiers do not go on duty with their safeties on.
You obviously know nothing of anti-terror or security detail.. you are guard a dignitary with your safety on.. you, your men, and the dignitary are all dead. By the time you raise your weapon, site-in, and removed the safety, and maybe chamber a round, your brains are washing the steps.
No wonder the British Empire was chased out of most of the colonies.
Rationally, if you didn't now anything else about a person other than his weapon is not on safe and he has lots of combat experience.. you'd have to be mentally ill to threaten him.

4. Safeties are used on the range and during training


and more are some odd generalizations, that I can understand people taking issue with.

[big_les]

Sailors can't be soldiers?

Just because they are USCG doesn't mean they don't know soldiering or proper weapons handling techniques ...

I'm not even going to bring up Naval Infantry training or SEAL's ...
p-)

I appreciate you're sticking up for the capability and professionalism of the sailor/soldier here He219, but you must see that those who appear to be slighting navy personnel/whomever, are simply reacting to our friend here who is apparently in a Coast Guard and yet asserts that carrying a safe weapon 'on duty' is somehow unusual procedure. Strong posting language such as his tends to bring out defensive posts that hint at generalisations which the poster may not intend, as I'm sure you know as a moderator.

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[Mark Sman]

The 9mm Beretta, never referred to as an M9 in the USCG (can tell poseurs right away), has more than one safety and the safety decocking lever has more than one fucntion.

http://www.uscg.mil/tcyorktown/TEW/SAI/downloads/PPC.pdf

http://www.uscg.mil/ccs/cit/cim/directives/CI%5CCI_3574_5B.pdf

http://www.uscg.mil/reserve/magazine/mag2001/Jan2001/news.htm

http://www.uscg.mil/hq/commandcenter/opf3/Documents/CPPM%20VOL%20II%20CHAP6.doc

http://www.uscg.mil/hq/rtc/TEW/SAI/downloads/BPMC.pdf

http://www.uscg.mil/tcyorktown/TEW/SAI/downloads/2%20PRC%20pre-fire2.pdf


(3) Keep your weapon on safe until aimed in on target and the decision to
shoot has been made. (M9 PDW is the only exception to this rule). This
rule is to enforce the use of the weapon’s own safety feature.
. . . .
c. Safeties. The M9 PDW, as used in the Practical Pistol Course, will be carried in
the standard method of carry with the safety/decocking lever in the up, off, fire
position. When the weapon has been cleared, the safety/decocking lever will be
in the safe, down, on position.

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[Aussie E]

tacticalmanta back home your what's known as a bush lawyer- got a excuse and explanation for everything. Why not let other people have their views even if you think they're wrong?

[Red]

Doesn't mean anything. Call it an M9 and they know you aren't a Coastie.

Second you are quotong from the pratical pistol course.. not PQS pistol. During the course the safety is used. PQS, sailors learn the sandard method of carry.. "The M9 PDW, as used in the Practical Pistol Course, will be carried in the standard method of carry with the safety/decocking lever in the up, off, fire position." plus one in the chamber.
Look men,the problem most guys have with you is the way you are hurling insults at them.We can debate all day but at least lets just get rid of the name calling.Please :D As for the saftey issue,u might be right,but as for my experience,saftey is on at all times.Maybe except in a heavy contact situation.

[Truthsayer]

Coast guards == soldiers? not in my world.

Unless you have served in a military unit I'd say you dont know anything about soldiering.

Have a good day

Coast Guard is military.. technically sailors.. but sailors with more combat experience than any Swede since WW2

What the **** is your problem?


Your not only disrespectful and ingorant to your own countries rules and practicis, you are also outright ignorant to other countries experience.

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[MSG Dman]

I thought this forum couldn’t slip any further, but this takes it all. We are actually arguing about having weapons on safe with someone in the Coast Guard. What the hell would he know.

I have been in Combat 3 times, and never walk around with my weapon on fire. I always have it on safe until I need to engage someone. This is so stupid it makes me want to log off of this website and never return.

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[Truthsayer]

You are a stupid phuck.

Claiming you have more combat experience then any swede since WW2...so, you have how many kills?

Coast guard - a marlin then?

(You better get educated before flaming countries that wasn't involved in the discussion.)

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[Truthsayer]

You are a stupid phuck.

Claiming you have more combat experience then any swede since WW2...so, you have how many kills?

Coast guard - a marlin then?

(You better get educated before flaming countries that wasn't involved in the discussion.)

Driving around a 3rd world country in a white tank with a blue helmet that says "shoot me" is not combat experience. One platoon of female Israel paratroopers could erase the Swedish army in a day.

:cantbeli:

Read up on your history.

(Btw, those paratroopers have been fighting many non-3rd-world-countries lately, huh?)

[Mark Sman]

Well, the doctirnes I posted on page 4 seem to indicate you are correct about the M9 (thats right I'm not a Coastie).

But they also indicate that other weapons are supposed to be on safe until engaging target. That is about what I expected. Like I said before, I'll ask my buddy when he gets back from patrol where he is leading boarding teams.

His boat is on patrol chasing chug chugs right now.

[Beowulf]

I thought this forum couldn’t slip any further, but this takes it all. We are actually arguing about having weapons on safe with someone in the Coast Guard. What the hell would he know.

I have been in Combat 3 times, and never walk around with my weapon on fire. I always have it on safe until I need to engage someone. This is so stupid it makes me want to log off of this website and never return.

See.. your statements about the Coast Guard show that you know very little about the US military. Currently the Coast Guard is getting it's hands dirty in over 26 countries while you are sitting around with you weapon on safe and the barrel stuck up a nostril. Coasties are currently operating with SEALs an acting on boarding teams all over the world.. seeing a lot more action than most other US soldiers.

You're out of line. Right or wrong do not insult other posters especially the vets around here.

MSG Dman do not reply to tactical manta's post. I am familiar with your background and service.

Tactical Manta pm me your creds. Be as vague as you feel is necessary in terms of OPSEC

[Red]

See.. your statements about the Coast Guard show that you know very little about the US military. Currently the Coast Guard is getting it's hands dirty in over 26 countries while you are sitting around with you weapon on safe and the barrel stuck up a nostril. Coasties are currently operating with SEALs an acting on boarding teams all over the world.. seeing a lot more action than most other US soldiers.
There you go again :roll:

Driving around a 3rd world country in a white tank with a blue helmet that says "shoot me" is not combat experience. One platoon of female Israel paratroopers could erase the Swedish army in a day.
I have seen swede's in action and i know these guys are the cat's ass.C'mon tactical just tone it down and be civil

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[Red]

I thought this forum couldn’t slip any further, but this takes it all. We are actually arguing about having weapons on safe with someone in the Coast Guard. What the hell would he know.

I have been in Combat 3 times, and never walk around with my weapon on fire. I always have it on safe until I need to engage someone. This is so stupid it makes me want to log off of this website and never return.

See.. your statements about the Coast Guard show that you know very little about the US military. Currently the Coast Guard is getting it's hands dirty in over 26 countries while you are sitting around with you weapon on safe and the barrel stuck up a nostril. Coasties are currently operating with SEALs an acting on boarding teams all over the world.. seeing a lot more action than most other US soldiers.

You're out of line. Right or wrong do not insult other posters especially the vets around here.

MSG Dman do not reply to tactical manta's post. I am familiar with your background and service.

Tactical Manta pm me your creds. Be as vague as you feel is necessary in terms of OPSECBeouwolf,please can you do this for everyone who comes onto this board and start talking more than thier mouths.I would love the cred check

[Red]

See.. your statements about the Coast Guard show that you know very little about the US military. Currently the Coast Guard is getting it's hands dirty in over 26 countries while you are sitting around with you weapon on safe and the barrel stuck up a nostril. Coasties are currently operating with SEALs an acting on boarding teams all over the world.. seeing a lot more action than most other US soldiers.
There you go again :roll:

Driving around a 3rd world country in a white tank with a blue helmet that says "shoot me" is not combat experience. One platoon of female Israel paratroopers could erase the Swedish army in a day.
I have seen swede's in action and i know these guys are the cat's ass.C'mon tactical just tone it down and be civil

Cmon, the most action these guys have seen in 50 years is repelling 5 deer hunters from Finland. They had to call reenforcements because the Finns caught them with their safeties on.now i know you are joking.The swedeish army is a professional army and they sure as hel know what they are doing.At least to me they did.

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[Jack Mehoff]

My rifle has to be on safe unless I'm about to shoot someone. It's stupid to have it off safe if you are not doing anything with it.

[Red]

If there is one group of guys that I respect from Europe it would have to be FORMOZA.. these guys are really getting dirty with US and they are very respectable.

A very brief service record was submitted. Some people on this board have served with me and know me.
I give up but at least i tried :roll:

[Truthsayer]

I have seen swede's in action and i know these guys are the cat's ass.C'mon tactical just tone it down and be civil

Cmon, the most action these guys have seen in 50 years is repelling 5 deer hunters from Finland. They had to call reenforcements because the Finns caught them with their safeties on.

Kongo -63 is one thing to look up.

(Unless you are looking for something more modern, like Kosovo, Afganistan, or so on...oh, see, already there more 'action' then you have seen in your lifetime.)


Let us take a look at this joker:

Summary
ICQ#: 54961689
name: Ian
Nickname: Taucher
Adress: FL, USA
Company: Salon Iridium, Inc.
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 09/16/1975
Age: 28

Company: Salon Iridium, Inc.
Occupation: Retail
Div/Dept: women's beauty salon
Position: Owner
Website: www.saloniridium.com

Spoken languages:
English, Hebrew, Japanese

About:
I own a high-end beauty salon in the world's hotspot. I like to go sailing and SCUBA diving and I collect military insignia. I also spend a lot of time working on my Audi S4.

Other:
Fraternity/Sorority: AZA
Fraternity/Sorority: Alpha Omega

Should I call and get your full name, homeadress and social securitynumber too?

[Mark Sman]

M-16 safety comes off in a fraction of a second. I could see taking it off when you board a vessel as all contact is likely to be extremely close. I cannot however see it being on fire when crossing in an inflatable boat. p-)

Or when going up/down ladder. Or when moving as part of a PSU patrol or somesuch.

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[Jack Mehoff]

I have seen swede's in action and i know these guys are the cat's ass.C'mon tactical just tone it down and be civil

Cmon, the most action these guys have seen in 50 years is repelling 5 deer hunters from Finland. They had to call reenforcements because the Finns caught them with their safeties on.

Kongo -63 is one thing to look up.

(Unless you are looking for something more modern, like Kosovo, Afganistan, or so on...oh, see, already there more 'action' then you have seen in your lifetime.)


Let us take a look at this joker:

Summary
ICQ#: 54961689
name: Ian
Nickname: Taucher
Adress: FL, USA
Company: Salon Iridium, Inc.
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 09/16/1975
Age: 28

Company: Salon Iridium, Inc.
Occupation: Retail
Div/Dept: women's beauty salon
Position: Owner
Website: www.saloniridium.com

Spoken languages:
English, Hebrew, Japanese

About:
I own a high-end beauty salon in the world's hotspot. I like to go sailing and SCUBA diving and I collect military insignia. I also spend a lot of time working on my Audi S4.

Other:
Fraternity/Sorority: AZA
Fraternity/Sorority: Alpha Omega




Is this tacticalmanta's background?

[Red]

I have seen swede's in action and i know these guys are the cat's ass.C'mon tactical just tone it down and be civil

Cmon, the most action these guys have seen in 50 years is repelling 5 deer hunters from Finland. They had to call reenforcements because the Finns caught them with their safeties on.

Kongo -63 is one thing to look up.

(Unless you are looking for something more modern, like Kosovo, Afganistan, or so on...oh, see, already there more 'action' then you have seen in your lifetime.)


Let us take a look at this joker:

Summary
ICQ#: 54961689
name: Ian
Nickname: Taucher
Adress: FL, USA
Company: Salon Iridium, Inc.
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 09/16/1975
Age: 28

Company: Salon Iridium, Inc.
Occupation: Retail
Div/Dept: women's beauty salon
Position: Owner
Website: www.saloniridium.com

Spoken languages:
English, Hebrew, Japanese

About:
I own a high-end beauty salon in the world's hotspot. I like to go sailing and SCUBA diving and I collect military insignia. I also spend a lot of time working on my Audi S4.

Other:
Fraternity/Sorority: AZA
Fraternity/Sorority: Alpha Omega

Should I call and get your full name, homeadress and social securitynumber too?
dayum how did you do that?tha is so cool,i wish i could pull up records like that.Hey truth could you try pulling stuff on me?

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[Truthsayer]

It's my ICQ profile, he's not a rocket scientist.. just a snoop.

Ofcourse it isn't hard to obtain.

And thanks to the company name and other links one can easily check up your full name, adress, socialsecuritynumbers, tax-level, yearly income and so on.

You are not as 'hidden' online as you might think.

Something to think before you start flaming online.


I will take any am. militarys word for it over yours that the safety (like in many other countries) always should be ON when not engaging any threats.

It's not like it takes any time for a trained person to switch from safety to full auto...

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[Red]

feel free to research me all you like. You will see how much more successful I am than you in every walk of life.

In fact, tomorrow, 0800, I am getting a commendation from the Captain of my unit. You are welcome to show if you are smart enough to figure out the details.
c'mon dude,that was uncalled for.

[MashiMaro]

http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20040413/i/r24874892.jpg

A security guard escorts a Chinese diplomat in the Iraqi capital of Baghdad April 13, 2004. Seven Chinese hostages were released to a Sunni clerical organization and then handed over to Chinese diplomats. REUTERS/Laszlo Balogh



:lol: Wow! Good News!
This is a Chinese 95 type 5.8 mm assault rifles, looks cool!looks cool? you must be Chinese. the Chinese, barely breathing under the rogue regime CCP, have never manufactured anything cool or even functional last time I checked.

[Aussie E]

tacticalmanta: dude quit while your ahead. And Truthsayer remind me not to piss you off.

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[Aussie E]

direction please!

[Red]

It's true.. I honestly welcome you guys to come.
Miami is way to far for me to get to,and could you please repost the pics of your Audi on the audi forums please,i know the pics were taken down but if you could that would be nice :lol:

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[Aussie E]

Can we change this thread to off-topic and humour please!

[MashiMaro]

those chinese guy make me want to crap myself....the look on their faces seems to be enough to kill yaoh they will without a moment of hestitation, whether you are an unarmed civilian or not. quite a gutsy bunch, aitn they?

[Red]

It's true.. I honestly welcome you guys to come.
Miami is way to far for me to get to,and could you please repost the pics of your Audi on the audi forums please,i know the pics were taken down but if you could that would be nice :lol:


You mean from Audilife? eh.. their server is not reliable. I will post them in the off topic section if you really want to see it.
i am just messing with you.

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[Red]

Can we change this thread to off-topic and humour please!

Done

http://www.takionair.com/P1010007.jpg
noice very nice

[Red]

those chinese guy make me want to crap myself....the look on their faces seems to be enough to kill yaoh they will without a moment of hestitation, whether you are an unarmed civilian or not. quite a gutsy bunch, aitn they?
not another one? :roll:

[hank]

I thought this forum couldn’t slip any further, but this takes it all. We are actually arguing about having weapons on safe with someone in the Coast Guard. What the hell would he know.

I have been in Combat 3 times, and never walk around with my weapon on fire. I always have it on safe until I need to engage someone. This is so stupid it makes me want to log off of this website and never return.

See.. your statements about the Coast Guard show that you know very little about the US military. Currently the Coast Guard is getting it's hands dirty in over 26 countries while you are sitting around with you weapon on safe and the barrel stuck up a nostril. Coasties are currently operating with SEALs an acting on boarding teams all over the world.. seeing a lot more action than most other US soldiers.

You're out of line. Right or wrong do not insult other posters especially the vets around here.

MSG Dman do not reply to tactical manta's post. I am familiar with your background and service.

Tactical Manta pm me your creds. Be as vague as you feel is necessary in terms of OPSEC

Nice work B - this has gotten out of hand for really no reason.

hank

[Mark Sman]

Actually, the Coast Guard doctrines I posted indicate manta is correct about the M9 pistol safety. Rifle, shotgun safety doctrine seems to be the same as in other services.

http://www.uscg.mil/tcyorktown/TEW/SAI/downloads/PPC.pdf

http://www.uscg.mil/tcyorktown/TEW/SAI/downloads/2%20PRC%20pre-fire2.pdf

Hell Manta, I'd drop by Wednesday, but its almost 300 miles.

Commandant's Innovation Award?

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[hank]

feel free to research me all you like. You will see how much more successful I am than you in every walk of life.

In fact, tomorrow, 0800, I am getting a commendation from the Captain of my unit. You are welcome to show if you are smart enough to figure out the details.

I own a 1999 Audi A4 that I bought, with cash new in 1999and I've got the title to prove it. Make payments? Success? You just might be successful enough to get somebody to loan you enough money to buy the rope necessary to hang yourself.

More successful? Please. You are a tool no matter what you do. The CG can't fix that. Neither can owning a beauty salon. Nothing is more "successful" than somebody that questions the "success" of high school aged guys on an internet forum.

Check my profile and do a search for salaries at law firms in ATL with more than 500 lawyers and then maybe, just maybe, I'll let my secretary tell you to f--k off when you call me.

hank

[Red]

feel free to research me all you like. You will see how much more successful I am than you in every walk of life.

In fact, tomorrow, 0800, I am getting a commendation from the Captain of my unit. You are welcome to show if you are smart enough to figure out the details.

I own a 1999 Audi A4 that I bought, with cash new in 1999and I've got the title to prove it. Make payments? Success? You just might be successful enough to get somebody to loan you enough money to buy the rope necessary to hang yourself.

More successful? Please. You are a tool no matter what you do. The CG can't fix that. Neither can owning a beauty salon. Nothing is more "successful" than somebody that questions the "success" of high school aged guys on an internet forum.

Check my profile and do a search for salaries at law firms in ATL with more than 500 lawyers and then maybe, just maybe, I'll let my secretary tell you to f--k off when you call me.

hank
i see someone is happy that they passed their ethical exams ;)

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[Aussie E]

Hey, that awards shindig, if your buying I'm flying! Las Vegas to Miami, return please!

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[Red]

Lol.. You should do a search on salon owners. One of my freinds made $32 million a year from his salon chain. Another freind made $700,000 from one salon. I know about lawyers.. lol, if you went to an IVY league law school, chances are one of my cousins was your professor.

Lawyers are a dime a dozen in the US and I make more than most. Unless you are class-action, then you are out-classed. I don't remember seeing your membership at the Olympic Club or YPO. Please, get a life.
alright now i think you are out of order,everyone has been very civil to you, why dont you reciprocate the respect to these guys.

[hank]

[/quote]i see someone is happy that they passed their ethical exams ;)[/quote]

doh! I meant that my secretary would politely tell CG boy that we can't accept his representation. Yeah, that is what I meant.

benibo, you were remarkably restrained during all that BS. I commend you on that.

hank

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[Aussie E]

Sorry to get off topic here, but wtf does lol mean.
I guess if you know the tla's you got it covered int the U.S.A

[MapleLeafInfantry]

I am the ultra high speed low drag salon owning s4 driving coast gaurd super airborne recce scuba pathfinding ninja flaming stubborn safety always offing god, my word is law, I am never wrong. remember that, you shall not worship any false idols.

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[hank]

Lol.. You should do a search on salon owners. One of my freinds made $32 million a year from his salon chain. Another freind made $700,000 from one salon. I know about lawyers.. lol, if you went to an IVY league law school, chances are one of my cousins was your professor.

Lawyers are a dime a dozen in the US and I make more than most. Unless you are class-action, then you are out-classed. I don't remember seeing your membership at the Olympic Club or YPO. Please, get a life.

So I guess that means that you did not do the search, huh? You are in the CG and you own a place that cuts hair for crying out loud. 32 MM?

What is beyond dispute is that from September 7, 2004 until September 6, 2005 I will earn more than $100K, and I do mean more than, as a "dime a dozen" lawyer. What is also beyond dispute is that 0% of CG employees will earn more than $100K in a year from that job. Keep laughing numbnuts.

What do "most" lawyers make? How much do you make in the CG? I can find out easy enough. Government salaries aren't exactly confidential. Tool.

hank

[gaz]

More successful? Please. You are a tool no matter what you do. The CG can't fix that. Neither can owning a beauty salon. Nothing is more "successful" than somebody that questions the "success" of high school aged guys on an internet forum.

Check my profile and do a search for salaries at law firms in ATL with more than 500 lawyers and then maybe, just maybe, I'll let my secretary tell you to f--k off when you call me.

hank

You're very eloquent Hank, personally I'd have just said he was a prat.

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[hank]

I make more than $100K a year from my salon.. the average high end salon owner here (Miami Beach) makes around $350K a year.

What a subject changer you are. $100 or $350K, it doesn't matter, you're still just cuttin hair dude. Just cutting hair.

You make so much you don't even own your car. The model of success I say, the model of success. I bet all the guys wish they could grow up to be like you. A posing, pompous, non-car-owning, hair-salon owning CG guy who likes to fight about safeties. Geez, I feel so insignificant next to somebody like you.

Tool. I'm still laughing. Hey if you need to refinance the S4 let me know. I charge really reasonable rates.

hank

[MapleLeafInfantry]

air assaulted coast gaurd? like one of the froggies who jumps in the water after i fall out of my laser 3? har har mind you we do have people with qualifications up here with no relation to their moc.......

har har :lol:

[Aussie E]

How high can I piss! (12-year old game) check it out sometime.
I'm just an under paid app-engineer that drives a bank owned F250 (deisel with 4x4 and tool box and spray on bed liner and lojack and and and and and) dont make more that $55k and was making $60k+ two years ago
AND I"M PISSED I"M NOT GETTING A ALL EXPENSE PAID TRIP TO SUNNY SOUTH FLORIDA!

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[hank]

More successful? Please. You are a tool no matter what you do. The CG can't fix that. Neither can owning a beauty salon. Nothing is more "successful" than somebody that questions the "success" of high school aged guys on an internet forum.

Check my profile and do a search for salaries at law firms in ATL with more than 500 lawyers and then maybe, just maybe, I'll let my secretary tell you to f--k off when you call me.

hank

You're very eloquent Hank, personally I'd have just said he was a prat.

That is a good point gaz, I don't really know what a prat is but if you use it describe tactodingleberry here then I'm figuring prat = hair-cutting safety boy who makes so much money he doesn't even own his own car.

hank

[Mark Sman]

What is also beyond dispute is that 0% of CG employees will earn more than $100K
Ummmm, maybe. Maybe not.

http://www.uscg.mil/news/Drugs2001/drugs.jpg

Just kidding Manta. Don't go postal on me.

[Red]

i see someone is happy that they passed their ethical exams ;)[/quote]

doh! I meant that my secretary would politely tell CG boy that we can't accept his representation. Yeah, that is what I meant.

benibo, you were remarkably restrained during all that BS. I commend you on that.

hank[/quote]
thank you for the compliment,i try my best

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[hank]

I'm not cutting hair. I own a place where people get their haircut. A place that is not in your budget to go for a haircut.

They don't tell the CEO of Kraft that he just makes cheese.

How do you know what I can afford? The only thing we know for sure is that you cannot afford an A4 and I can.

hank

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[Maine Finn]

Coast guards == soldiers? not in my world.

Unless you have served in a military unit I'd say you dont know anything about soldiering.

Have a good day

Coast Guard is military.. technically sailors.. but sailors with more combat experience than any Swede since WW2

Okay. You just went from "moderately dumb" to "completely stupid". You might have been able to save yourself and your argument, but you had to say something like that. I thought it was generally agreed that we were moving past the country-bashing.

I hope you're not trying to revert to the trash that infested the Forum a few weeks ago. I'm sure the mods would love you for that. However, if you're looking for a fight, this Finn would be more than happy to oblige you.

~Emily

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[gaz]

That is a good point gaz, I don't really know what a prat is but if you use it describe tactodingleberry here then I'm figuring prat = hair-cutting safety boy who makes so much money he doesn't even own his own car.

hank

A prat is a not too offensive term for an idiot but as he keeps posting I think we need a more offensive term....

[hank]

I't s kind of sad that all you can do is call me names and get your own points confused. You tried to imply that you are more successful than me, and you are not. Move on.

IQuite the contrary, I've established that you don't make enough to afford the car you drive. You brought up success and then I simply responded.

The only thing sad here is that you decided to turn a thread about how the Chinese choose to use the safeties on their weapons into an opportunity for you to 1) question the "success" of a kid in high school 2) assert that CG enlisted make more than lawyers at AMLAW top 50 firms 3) post a picture of an Audi S4 owned by a bank near you that you get to drive and 4) generally make an ass out of yourself by telling several highly qualified and respected BTDTs that you know more than they about safety protocol.

You summed it up pretty well, sad. I'm going to go get my hair cut and try to calm down.

hank

[MapleLeafInfantry]

I'm not cutting hair. I own a place where people get their haircut. A place that is not in your budget to go for a haircut.

They don't tell the CEO of Kraft that he just makes cheese.

How do you know what I can afford? The only thing we know for sure is that you cannot afford an A4 and I can.

hank

Hank, I love A4's, I want a quattro so bad, 1.8T to be exact, love the turbo.... at the end of this summer
I'm considering re-leasing an older 2001, or 2000 but deciding on that and some Karmann coupes from 10 years ago,
and 6 years before that are also on the books.

its either that or go for my Progressive Free Fall Course (AFF for those down south), buy a rig and a cypress... mostlikely new....

mli

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[Maine Finn]

Lol, I am more of an authority than he.. but feel free to ask him about the standard carry of the 9mm Beretta. It's not a BO school issue, this is taught in basic pistol. If he disagrees with me, I'll pull his quals and he'll have to do Basic and Practical pistol again, lol.

That's not even funny. Why don't you get a life, mate? Go out and see the world and learn a little about the things that you're posting about.

Just a thought, anyway.

~Emily

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[hank]

I'm not cutting hair. I own a place where people get their haircut. A place that is not in your budget to go for a haircut.

They don't tell the CEO of Kraft that he just makes cheese.

How do you know what I can afford? The only thing we know for sure is that you cannot afford an A4 and I can.

hank

Cannot afford an A4? I drive an S4 which costs $20,000 more than your silly A4 and I put another $5K in mods so I got more than 200 hp on you too. That said, if you paid cash for it and you only make $100K and you keep than $70K after taxes, you made a pretty poor economic decision.

Well, I lied, I will respond to this before I go to get my hair cut. You don't own an S4, the bank does. That is why you don't have the title, you have a proxy for it. Think whatever you want about what "keep", it doesn't change anything. I don't take "economic decision" advice from salon owners.

gaz is right, prat doesn't begin to describe what a total jackass you are.

hank

[Aussie E]

let me quote myself (is this against site rule?[sarcasm])
How high can I piss! (12-year old game) check it out sometime.
I'm just an under paid app-engineer that drives a bank owned F250 (deisel with 4x4 and tool box and spray on bed liner and lojack and and and and and) dont make more that $55k and was making $60k+ two years ago
AND I"M PISSED I"M NOT GETTING A ALL EXPENSE PAID TRIP TO SUNNY SOUTH FLORIDA!
Gotta go, Band of Brother is on the Hist Channel. I'm so poor that I don't have HBO and have to catch it years later on re-runs.

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[Maine Finn]

Cmon, the most action these guys have seen in 50 years is repelling 5 deer hunters from Finland. They had to call reenforcements because the Finns caught them with their safeties on.

Don't you even start bashing my countrymen. It just proves how pathetically weak your argument really is, not to mention that it's purely ignorant.

TROLL!

~Emily

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[hank]

I'm not cutting hair. I own a place where people get their haircut. A place that is not in your budget to go for a haircut.

They don't tell the CEO of Kraft that he just makes cheese.

How do you know what I can afford? The only thing we know for sure is that you cannot afford an A4 and I can.

hank

Hank, I love A4's, I want a quattro so bad, 1.8T to be exact, love the turbo.... at the end of this summer
I'm considering re-leasing an older 2001, or 2000 but deciding on that and some Karmann coupes from 10 years ago,
and 6 years before that are also on the books.

its either that or go for my Progressive Free Fall Course (AFF for those down south), buy a rig and a cypress... mostlikely new....

mli

That's what I have a 1.8T but no quattro. I bought it when I lived in Jax, FL and quattro was not really an issue. I've been very happy with it. Never really had to spend a dime in maintenance in the 5 years I've had it. I would buy another without reservation. My grandfather had a karmann that my uncle bought new in the 60's. He had it as long as I can remember. I always figured that he would let me buy it when I turned 16. He sold it to one of his friends when I was 16. I've never really forgiven him for that. Those are fun cars.

Let me know if you need any A4 info. Its a great car. If you could swinga new one all the service for 30K miles is included. It might be more than that now but I got 30K miles free everything (even oil changes) with mine and a lot of other service is covered for even longer.

hank

[MapleLeafInfantry]

@tacticalmanta

Pretty sad that you seem to believe you'd find personal validation at the expense of other nations and yourself in a forum on the internet.

you may be a wealthy person, but i don't believe you're a good one.

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[MapleLeafInfantry]

@hank

As much as i love the ghia, im talkin about somehtin else
up in canadakistahn, a ghia won't last more then 30 seconds unless driven 2 days a year in mid summer.

I've had my heart set on a 94 corrado vr6, or an 88 Scirocco 16V, euro bumpers n headlights.

but for new cars, its a4 or r32 only, just not sure if a dealership will lease an older a4, im only a student, good government job (heh) and decent credit, time will tell.
mli

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[Maine Finn]

Bashing? I complemented them for disabling the Swedish army with 5 hunters.

You don't get it, do you? Let me clarify myself. I am Scandivian. Finns are Scandivian. Swedes are Scandivian. Norwegians are Scandivian. Each of these three countries are Scandivian. The peoples of these countries are Scandivian.

Now that I have said that, do not bash my countrymen. For Scandivians, whether Finn, Swede, or Norwegian, are my countrymen.

And, do not insult the Coast Guard anymore. My grandfather served it for more than twenty years and retired as an RMC. At least have some respect for him and those who have served the Coast Guard and other branches. Your posts do them and the Service little credit.

~Emily

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[ibstolidude]

Nu huh! You're a jerk face!

well Nu huh! You are!

Nuhuh! You are!

Well then you go like this "thhhhpt!"

Well then this is you, "garrrrruhuhoooo!"

ohh ****
If anyone needs me I'll be in the garage with my Audi parked on my head. - Operation Chockblock - begins.

[MapleLeafInfantry]

No Offense Emily, but my military buddies from Finland say a lot of things I cannot repeat here about Swedes.

and i thought i flamed people everyonce and awhile....
damn, what the hell is your problem?

[Maine Finn]

No Offense Emily, but my military buddies from Finland say a lot of things I cannot repeat here about Swedes.

If you think I have been insulting the Coast Guard, you have not been reading very carefully, have you?

I read carefully enough to know that you have been posting too much inflammatory stuff. Maybe I'm a little sensitive because millitary service is in my family. At least show some sensitivity in return.

And that may be, but they are still of the same blood - whether they are well-liked or not.

I'm done now, as I have a thread I am attempting to put together.

[digrar]

You're an idiot. Real soldiers do not go on duty with their safeties on. In my particular unit, we deploy with 1 in the chamber, safeties up and off. That is the official policy and no one has been shot accidentally.

It's doubtful you have ever served in combat.

Real soldiers use the safety catch, except for the lead scout (even recon/snipers).
At best your a sailor, so to make claims about what real soldiers do is a bit of a stretch.

[Flagg]

Real soldiers use the safety catch, except for the lead scout (even recon/snipers).

agreed

[soma]

You're an idiot. Real soldiers do not go on duty with their safeties on. In my particular unit, we deploy with 1 in the chamber, safeties up and off. That is the official policy and no one has been shot accidentally.

It's doubtful you have ever served in combat.

Go call the friendly fire statistics an idiot kthx.

[martinexsquaddie]

a hair salon owning coastguard rofl
guess don't tell don't ask did'nt work that well rofl
must be great driving a giant pink boat rofl rofl rofl rofl

[Joshisonfire]

Someone go make a poll...safeties or no safeties when handling a gun in combat or in civi use. I wish i could, but I don't know this html mumble jumble.

[hank]

Screw that poll, try this instead . . . own salon while in CG or not? That is a much more pressing question, don't you agree? :D

hank

[Joshisonfire]

:lol:

[Ichhabe]

tacticalmanta:

After looking through the first 5 pages my BS-meter exploded.
You do owe me money now so I can replace it.

And I don't even want to try to comment what you have said here. :cantbeli:

[hank]

Here is the bio on the owner of the spa in tacticalmammary's ICQ stuff. I'll not comment and let you decide for yourself. Here it is:

Owner Ian Shrallow has the know, the vision and the drive to make Salon Iridium one of South Florida’s best Salon and Day Spas. The road that led him to his current undertaking could not have been predicted by even the stars.

After receiving a BA from Connecticut College in Japanese Studies, Ian enrolled in Brandeis University where he received his Post Baccalaureate Premedical Certificate. With a lifelong dream of being a dentist, and a desire to live in a warmer climate, Ian followed the path of many Northerners and moved to South Florida to continue pursuing his education.

While managing dental school and his countless extracurricular activities (including martial arts, coast guard, scuba diving, lacrosse, and sailing) Ian developed a unique pedicure technique that would eventually lead him to where he is today.

After studying dentistry in South Florida, and studying beauty around the world, including such international markets as Israel and Japan, Ian determined that he could offer a much more unique and sought-after line of services in the beauty industry. He decided to open Salon Iridum where he could offer first class Salon and Spa services, and feature a new and highly specialized manicure/pedicure technique that embodied the same meticulous attention to detail as dentistry.

Under his careful execution, Salon Iridium has already established an unprecedented reputation for offering incomparable services with outstanding attention to detail. Ian values the relationships with his clients and has demonstrated a new standard in customer satisfaction. His selective recruitment process and commitment to excellence ensure that Salon Iridium will leave clients coming back for more. Whether he’s greeting you in English, French, Hebrew, or Japanese, each of which he speaks fluently, you’ll be able to recognize Ian immediately from his gracious disposition when you visit Salon Iridium.

There is even a picture which is very stylish. Here it is:

http://www.saloniridium.com/4864/ianhead.jpg

So many falsehoods in the things this guy has posted. I don't cut hair, he said. True, he does pedicures according to his bio. Good point.

"life-long dream" of being a dentist. What?

I'm with habe - this is a load of BS. I was pissed earlier, now I think its funny as hell.

I gues if you develop unique pedicures then you are qualified to discuss safety protocols of the CG. Makes sense. He invited us to look around for some of his "articles". I'll check around and see what I find.

hank

[Truthsayer]

I'm sorry, but I have no respect for this guy.


I have the deepest respect for operators and soldiers world wide and their hard profession - this guy is a discrace to all wannabees across the board.

[hank]

Well, the google searches were unproductive. One little tidbit, Ian does collect war memoribilia and he has a fairly extensive connection. His email address is israelsailor@hotmail.com. Go figure. Its hard to say but I'm leaning towards BS. I guess if any of us ever need a manicure we'll know where to go and we don't have to worry about using our safeties, now do we?

hank

[Truthsayer]

I'm more inclined to guess that on the shootingrange and live-fire excersise the men in his group told him that they always HAD to go around with safety off - and then sent him on his way to lead the group.

[xjym2002]

I say he would be a good man in real life, sincerely. rofl

[martinexsquaddie]

its arnold j rimmers great great great great granddad rofl rofl rofl

[hank]

its arnold j rimmers great great great great granddad rofl rofl rofl

OK - I'm stupid - who is arnold j rimmers? I'm sure its funny if you'll explain it to me.

hank

[xjym2002]

its arnold j rimmers great great great great granddad rofl rofl rofl

OK - I'm stupid - who is arnold j rimmers? I'm sure its funny if you'll explain it to me.

hank

The google searches would be productive this time.

[Catch22]

After reading 11 pages of this most peculiar thread, I'm feeling unsafenow... :cantbeli:

On the other hand all those quarrels about income and Audis were sociologically interesting, though also disgusting a bit.

Lock it Mods!

[Truthsayer]

Hank:

http://www.thekeep.org/~kunoichi/kunoichi/red_dwarf/rimmer.html

http://www.javascrypt.com/spike-o-rama/arnoldjrimmer/

http://www.angelfire.com/nj3/poeticjustice/rimmer.html

[big_les]

Here is the bio on the owner of the spa in tacticalmammary's ICQ stuff. I'll not comment and let you decide for yourself. Here it is:

Owner Ian Shrallow has the know, the vision and the drive to make Salon Iridium one of South Florida’s best Salon and Day Spas. The road that led him to his current undertaking could not have been predicted by even the stars.

After receiving a BA from Connecticut College in Japanese Studies, Ian enrolled in Brandeis University where he received his Post Baccalaureate Premedical Certificate. With a lifelong dream of being a dentist, and a desire to live in a warmer climate, Ian followed the path of many Northerners and moved to South Florida to continue pursuing his education.

While managing dental school and his countless extracurricular activities (including martial arts, coast guard, scuba diving, lacrosse, and sailing) Ian developed a unique pedicure technique that would eventually lead him to where he is today.

After studying dentistry in South Florida, and studying beauty around the world, including such international markets as Israel and Japan, Ian determined that he could offer a much more unique and sought-after line of services in the beauty industry. He decided to open Salon Iridum where he could offer first class Salon and Spa services, and feature a new and highly specialized manicure/pedicure technique that embodied the same meticulous attention to detail as dentistry.

Under his careful execution, Salon Iridium has already established an unprecedented reputation for offering incomparable services with outstanding attention to detail. Ian values the relationships with his clients and has demonstrated a new standard in customer satisfaction. His selective recruitment process and commitment to excellence ensure that Salon Iridium will leave clients coming back for more. Whether he’s greeting you in English, French, Hebrew, or Japanese, each of which he speaks fluently, you’ll be able to recognize Ian immediately from his gracious disposition when you visit Salon Iridium.

There is even a picture which is very stylish. Here it is:

http://www.saloniridium.com/4864/ianhead.jpg

So many falsehoods in the things this guy has posted. I don't cut hair, he said. True, he does pedicures according to his bio. Good point.

"life-long dream" of being a dentist. What?

I'm with habe - this is a load of BS. I was pissed earlier, now I think its funny as hell.

I gues if you develop unique pedicures then you are qualified to discuss safety protocols of the CG. Makes sense. He invited us to look around for some of his "articles". I'll check around and see what I find.

hank

Absolutely priceless.... that's made my morning! Oh, Truthsayer, love your new avatar!

[Ichhabe]

its arnold j rimmers great great great great granddad rofl rofl rofl

OK - I'm stupid - who is arnold j rimmers? I'm sure its funny if you'll explain it to me.

hank

http://www.astro.livjm.ac.uk/grpimages/rimmer.jpg

Here he is, Arnold Judas Rimmer. Stoopidest person in the history of mankind.

And martin... I almost fell of my chair reading your comment. rofl It actally make sense. He must be related to Arnld J. Rimmer.

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[Flagg]

I just completed reading this thread from start to finish.....

I have some mates in the USCG(2 Master Chief POs)........I'm tempted to pass this thread onto them.......he's not doing the USCG any favours.......which is a shame as it's an awesome organization.

[dumdidum]

Cannot afford an A4? I drive an S4 which costs $20,000 more than your silly A4 and I put another $5K in mods so I got more than 200 hp on you too. That said, if you paid cash for it and you only make $100K and you keep than $70K after taxes, you made a pretty poor economic decision.

Oh how nice, I have had a 1979 turboconverted volvo 240 that had about 350-400hp, full rollcage, racingseats, 6-point seatbelts and all that at a cost of just over $10k. It runs circles around a S4. But the S4 is by no means a bad or dull car, its just to much money for to little action. A penis enlarger simply.

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[Ichhabe]

a hair salon owning coastguard rofl
guess don't tell don't ask did'nt work that well rofl
must be great driving a giant pink boat rofl rofl rofl rofl

There are a few generals/ admirals that own buisiness like mine. They are laughing all the way to the bank like me. Of course, they get more women than you too.

When a grown up man starts to bragging about all the women he have encountered, that is the time I start feeling sorry for him,cause that is so pathetic. :hug:

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[xjym2002]

Hey manta, I heard you are going to Iraq as contractor providing close protection for Japan hairdressers, is that true?

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[Flagg]

Sounds like you have penis envy to me, otherwise you would not bother to post.

I'm wondering if it's you with the penis envy TacticalManta?

It was you that posted photos of your car wasn't it?

It was you that boasted of your financial success wasn't it?

It was you that boasted of receiving an award wasn't it?

It was you that initiated this flame war with your arrogance and insults?

I think you'll find the "big swinging dicks" on this forum, as in life, are those who are respected for their contributions, regardless of the vehicle they drive, the number of zeros used to measure net worth, and the number of awards on the "I Love Me" wall.......

I've had a glance at your past posts........same arrogance and insults in your BS posts about how Israeli fighter pilots are "the best"

Arguing with kids some form of ego reinforcement for you?

If you're looking to argue with an opponent that will fight back..let me know

I don't like you....

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[Flagg]

Go ahead.. they might know me.. I'm not enlisted though.

They make laugh at you for bringing something incredibly lame to their attention.

So you're an officer?

Now it all makes sense...then I'll DEFINITELY pass this along.......we've all been friends for nearly 20 years, they certainly will not be laughing at me mate :roll:

They usually send me a joke or two a day.....now I've got a new one to send to them......cheers for that ahole!

[Truthsayer]

I almost forgot before I go, I did not give permission for my picture to be posted or used. If it's not removed, you will face legal action. Have a good day ;)

Make my day.

Your countrys law has no jurisdiction in my country, so take it up the ass like the biatch you are. ;)


Btw, if your such a valuable soldier you wouldn't be pissing every one off here (both operators and posers). Take a look ar Royal for instance. That is how you should behaive.

Now it just smells a little to much like "I had to clean the latrin so I'm gonna take it out on people online that can't order me around".

[Maine Finn]

I almost forgot before I go, I did not give permission for my picture to be posted or used. If it's not removed, you will face legal action. Have a good day ;)

What?

Wake up. If it's posted somewhere on the Internet, it will be posted or used. Whether you like it or not.

If you were so concerned with keeping it safe, why is it accessible in the first place?

[xjym2002]

Now I say even in real life this manta should be a 100% bastard. :cantbeli:

[Hellman109]

http://www.s3kemo.com/~hellman109/up.jpg


Thread is good for a laugh though, thanks everyone for making him look like an even bigger idiot, great work :hug:

[dugdug]

well whats wrong with that pic

[Ichhabe]

Hey manta, I heard you are going to Iraq as contractor providing close protection for Japan hairdressers, is that true?

Nope, I have been put in charge of guard duty to keep your mother from prostituting on base.

When China gets it's butt kicked trying to take Taiwan, I am sure there be many Chinese comfort women to choose from..

I think this guy do ALBANIAN's pedicure aswell. Or he is just his l'ill sailor boy. rofl

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[Herrmannek]

I almost forgot before I go, I did not give permission for my picture to be posted or used. If it's not removed, you will face legal action. Have a good day ;)

What?

Wake up. If it's posted somewhere on the Internet, it will be posted or used. Whether you like it or not.

If you were so concerned with keeping it safe, why is it accessible in the first place?

Use without permission is illegal; even on the internet.
rofl , sorry.. so what?

[dumdidum]

Use without permission is illegal; even on the internet.

Depends on wich country you are in. There is no global laws conserning copyrights and publishing. Especially if its done via an electronic medium.

[dacanadianbomb]

Besides the fact that there was no copyrighting on the photograph itself, was posted into a open discussions forum,freely available to the world, and initially there was no comment in regards to having to contact the owner for permission to repost or reproduce

Im no lawyer but what you are saing just doesnt seem to make sense.
Ford doesnt create a rocket engine, give the blueprint to people without any extra statements , and then when chevrolet builds one says that they werent given permission to use it.

Besides what does my post and 89% of the other posts have to do with having your weapon safety on or not.
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[tacticalmanta]

Besides the fact that there was no copyrighting on the photograph itself, was posted into a open discussions forum,freely available to the world, and initially there was no comment in regards to having to contact the owner for permission to repost or reproduce

Im no lawyer but what you are saing just doesnt seem to make sense.
Ford doesnt create a rocket engine, give the blueprint to people without any extra statements , and then when chevrolet builds one says that they werent given permission to use it.

Besides what does my post and 89% of the other posts have to do with having your weapon safety on or not.
0%

It was posted without permission. It comes from a copywritten site (all contents of the site are protected). It depicts an active serviceman. Therefore, it is violation of several laws, both US and International. Not to mention, 99% of the membership here lives in a country that extradicts for internet crime.

[Erik_MAA]

If I could nudge us back in the direction of the topic....

While it's a prudent measure to keep the safety on when patrolling or in a fixed defensive position, when enemy contact is imminent taking the safety off is not a bad idea.

A commonly taught rule of firearms safety is you can't trust a mechanical safety to keep a firearm from accidentally discharging.

A particularly unsafe practice is carrying the weapon with the safety on and the finger on the trigger. On many weapons, when the selector is moved to "off-safe", the trigger is instantly is unlocked. If a finger is on the trigger when this is done, you may have an accidental dischrage (AD).

The 3 main causes of AD (according to studies done of US law enforcement) are:

1. "Startle Effect" - the shooter hears a noise (door slamming, gunshot, explosion) and jumps. The finger on the trigger contracts and the gun discharges.

2. "Loss of Balance" - the shooter trips, falls, or drops the gun; while trying to steady himself or catch the gun he pulls the trigger and the gun discharges.

3. "Sympathetic Motion." - The shooter reaches for something (a subject, a door handle, etc) with his non-gun hand. The gun hand mirrors the non-gun hand's action and contracts. He pulls the trigger and the gun discharges. (You see this a lot on felony car stops, where the officer tries to open the door of a car with a gun in his other hand).

You will notice a trend here as to what causes the AD: finger on the trigger when it shouldn't be.

While there are many rules promulgated in firearms safety, I find these four to be the most important:

1. Treat all firearms as if they were loaded.
2. Never point your gun at anything you do not with to shoot and destroy.
3. Be aware of your target and what's beyond it.
4. Keep your finger off the trigger until you are on target and ready to fire.

Following these four rules is more important than having your safety on or off.

[Herrmannek]

Besides the fact that there was no copyrighting on the photograph itself, was posted into a open discussions forum,freely available to the world, and initially there was no comment in regards to having to contact the owner for permission to repost or reproduce

Im no lawyer but what you are saing just doesnt seem to make sense.
Ford doesnt create a rocket engine, give the blueprint to people without any extra statements , and then when chevrolet builds one says that they werent given permission to use it.

Besides what does my post and 89% of the other posts have to do with having your weapon safety on or not.
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It was posted without permission. It comes from a copywritten site (all contents of the site are protected). It depicts an active serviceman. Therefore, it is violation of several laws, both US and International. Not to mention, 99% of the membership here lives in a country that extradicts for internet crime.
There is no country that will extradict its citizens for breaking copyrights, in most countries this even isn't crime and in many this isn't even minor offence ...commom sense should be used if you don't want be on the interent don't pose for pictures and post them anywhere in it... Your Picture is just natural number, and as far as I know numbers esspecialy natural are noones property excluding nature :) ....

[Maine Finn]

Besides the fact that there was no copyrighting on the photograph itself, was posted into a open discussions forum,freely available to the world, and initially there was no comment in regards to having to contact the owner for permission to repost or reproduce

Im no lawyer but what you are saing just doesnt seem to make sense.
Ford doesnt create a rocket engine, give the blueprint to people without any extra statements , and then when chevrolet builds one says that they werent given permission to use it.

Besides what does my post and 89% of the other posts have to do with having your weapon safety on or not.
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It was posted without permission. It comes from a copywritten site (all contents of the site are protected). It depicts an active serviceman. Therefore, it is violation of several laws, both US and International. Not to mention, 99% of the membership here lives in a country that extradicts for internet crime.

Okay. What's your rank and post, then?