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farmgirl
04-13-2004, 05:26 PM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4684713


NBC: Bodies of
4 U.S. contractors found in Iraq
Coalition says dozens
still held hostage

BREAKING NEWS
NBC News and news services
Updated: 4:28 p.m. ET April 13, 2004NBC News has learned that bodies of at least four men believed to be among the seven civilian contractors missing in Iraq since Friday were found Tuesday in a shallow grave near the site of the explosion of a convoy in which they were traveling.

The four are among seven civilians and two U.S. soldiers missing after an attack on Friday.

Officials in both Baghdad and Washington told NBC News that the bodies were found near the intersection of highways 1 and 10 on the road between Abu Ghraib and Fallujah, very close to the site of the explosion. Officials say they were directed to the site by an Iraqi who told coalition authorities that Americans were buried there.

The bodies were "mutilated beyond recognition," according to two officials, but there was no agreement as to whether the mutilation was a result of the fire that consumed the convoy or was carried out after the attack and fire. One official said the number of bodies could not be precisely confirmed because of their condition.

French journalist taken hostage
The seven missing contractors were among about 40 foreign hostages from 12 countries being held by Iraqi insurgents. The FBI is investigating the abductions, a coalition spokesman said Tuesday.

The latest report of a kidnapping came Tuesday and involved a Paris-based journalist. The cameraman for Capa Television disappeared on Sunday, according to an editor at the channel.

French Foreign Ministry spokesman Herve Ladsous did not release the name of the hostage.

The kidnapping was reported just hours after France urged its citizens to leave Iraq. There are fewer than 100 French citizens in the country, mostly journalists, aid workers and the employees of private companies, Ladsous said. Nearly all were in Baghdad.

France first urged its citizens to leave last Friday.

U.S. law enforcement role
Dan Senor, the spokesman for the U.S.-led administration in Iraq, said it would not negotiate with “terrorists or kidnappers” to gain the hostages’ release. He would not comment on efforts to free the captives.

The coalition tally differs from an Associated Press tally showing that 22 were being held hostage, while 35 others had been taken hostage and released. The discrepancy could not be immediately resolved.

“The FBI is working with coalition forces and Iraqi security forces to seek out the hostage-takers and the hostages,” Senor said. “We have a number of other law enforcement agencies from the international community who are working on this.”

Four Italians working as private security guards for a U.S. company in Iraq were reported missing Tuesday, and an Arab satellite TV broadcaster said they were kidnapped by insurgents.

Nine Americans are also missing, including a Mississippi man known to have been kidnapped whose abductors have threatened to kill him.

Earlier Tuesday, eight employees of a Russian energy company were released unharmed after being seized by masked gunmen who broke into their house in Baghdad. They spent less than a day in captivity, the Russian Foreign Ministry said.

The Italian foreign ministry said its civilians worked for the U.S.-based DTS Security company and were first reported missing Monday. The Italian news agency AGI and other reports said the four were taken hostage in Fallujah, 35 miles west of Baghdad.

At DTS Security in northern Virginia, operations director Jim Villegas told The Associated Press, “We have no personnel in Iraq.”

Al-Jazeera broadcast a video showing four Italians sitting on the floor holding their passports. Behind them were men with machine guns.

Apology demanded
The kidnappers demanded the Italian government — and specifically Premier Silvio Berlusconi — issue an apology for Italy’s insult to Islam and Muslims, Al-Jazeera said.

There was no immediate reaction from Berlusconi. European Affairs Minister Rocco Buttiglione told the ANSA news agency that there would be no negotiations with “terrorists,” although he added that Italy will do “everything possible to guarantee the safety of the kidnapped Italian citizens.”

Italy has been a strong supporter of the U.S.-led war in Iraq. It did not send combat troops, but a contingent based in the southern town of Nasiriyah is helping with reconstruction.

The abduction of the five Ukrainians and three Russians at their residence Monday appeared to be a new tactic by kidnappers. All the past kidnappings have come on the roads, with civilians whisked away after their vehicles come under attack.

Russian Foreign Ministry spokesman Alexander Yakovenko said no one had claimed responsibility for the kidnapping and no demands were known to have been made before the release. The men work for an energy company restoring a power plant near Baghdad.

The Foreign Ministry said the captives had returned to their residence in Baghdad and none was hurt. Ukraine has 1,600 troops helping keep security in southern Iraq. Russia has none and opposed the U.S.-led war.

'Escalation of tensions'
“Abductions of foreign citizens in Iraq have resulted from a sharp escalation of tensions in the country, for the security of which the coalition authorities are now responsible,” Yakovenko said.

The U.S. military said two American soldiers and seven employees of U.S. contractor Kellogg, Brown & Root were missing after their convoy was ambushed Friday near Abu Ghraib, west of Baghdad.

Only one, Thomas Hamill, a 43-year-old truck driver from Macon, Miss., is known to have been abducted. His captors have threatened to kill and mutilate him unless U.S. troops ended their assault on the city of Fallujah. The deadline passed Sunday with no word on his fate.

The Defense Department identified the two missing soldiers as Sgt. Elmer C. Krause, 40, of Greensboro, N.C., and Pfc. Keith M. Maupin, 20, of Batavia, Ohio. Both were assigned to the Army Reserves 724th Transportation Company, Bartonville, Ill.

Chinese hostages freed
Seven Chinese men abducted in Fallujah were freed late Monday, the Chinese government said. A brief Foreign Ministry statement from Beijing said the men were released to an Iraqi religious group who passed them on to diplomats. “Their health and spirits are good,” the statement said.

The seven had entered Iraq from Jordan on Saturday and were captured the next day, China’s Foreign Ministry said.

China hasn’t contributed troops to the U.S.-led military force in Iraq and it was unclear why the seven were there. The official Xinhua News Agency described them as villagers who went to the Middle East on their own from a region with a tradition of sending migrants abroad.

In Tokyo, optimism faded Monday that three Japanese civilians abducted last week would be released quickly after a top government spokesman suggested authorities were no longer confident of their safety.

Japanese face death threats
The two aid workers and a photojournalist were being held by a previously unknown group calling itself the “Mujahedeen Brigades,” which demanded the withdrawal of Japanese troops from Iraq or it would kill the captives in three days. Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi has refused to consider such a move, and the deadline passed with no word on the fate of the hostages.

Also Monday, a member of the U.S.-appointed Governing Council said at least 12 foreign hostages have been released. Mohsen Abdul-Hamid did not identify their nationalities or say where they were.

A member of his office reached later said the number of those released was unclear.

Earlier, Islamic Clerics Committee spokesman Muthanna Harith said insurgents had released nine hostages of various nationalities, including Turks and Pakistanis. It was not clear if he and Abdul-Hamid were referring to the same hostages, or if the Chinese were included.

The nine were truck drivers for military supply convoys, which have come under heavy attack in recent days by gunmen on the western and southern outskirts of Baghdad.

Thailand and New Zealand said their forces in Iraq had been confined to their quarters because of increasing unrest, and both governments said they were mulling whether to bring them home early. Thailand’s 443-member contingent of soldiers is scheduled to stay in Iraq until September. New Zealand has 60 army engineers in the southern city of Basra.

NBC News' Robert Windrem and The Associated Press contributed to this report.




:( RIP

SerbPVO
04-13-2004, 05:31 PM
RIP...but, what were they doing there in the first place?
I got no respect for these people - so called "contractors" who seek to get rich on someone elses misery.

The only people who should be in Iraq right now are Iraqis, and i guess coalition troops.

He219
04-13-2004, 05:36 PM
RIP

:(

farmgirl
04-13-2004, 05:36 PM
RIP...but, what were they doing there in the first place?
I got no respect for these people - so called "contractors" who seek to get rich on someone elses misery.

The only people who should be in Iraq right now are Iraqis, and i guess coalition troops.


None of the contractors are going to "get rich" doing what they are doing. Many are there, because they feel they can do something to help the situation.

You could refer to this thread http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=12209&start=0 for some input from guys who are going or are currently there.

Soulhunter
04-13-2004, 05:37 PM
you must be suicidal, thrill-seeking or greedy as hell to be a contractor there right now ...

UkrainianAmerican
04-13-2004, 05:37 PM
RIP...but, what were they doing there in the first place?
I got no respect for these people - so called "contractors" who seek to get rich on someone elses misery.

The only people who should be in Iraq right now are Iraqis, and i guess coalition troops.
Yo, Shut the fcuk up, prick. Their assignemtn was to PROTECT a fcuking FOOD convoy, not to assassinate "democratically-elected representatives on the Council"
You really gotta think, before posting your ****.

NcDeuce
04-13-2004, 05:40 PM
you must be suicidal, thrill-seeking or greedy as hell to be a contractor there right now ...

...or have a sense of selfless service and duty.

Midav
04-13-2004, 05:48 PM
RIP

Red
04-13-2004, 05:51 PM
RIP...but, what were they doing there in the first place?
I got no respect for these people - so called "contractors" who seek to get rich on someone elses misery.

The only people who should be in Iraq right now are Iraqis, and i guess coalition troops.Shut The Hell Up!

Red
04-13-2004, 05:52 PM
you must be suicidal, thrill-seeking or greedy as hell to be a contractor there right now ...And how do you arrive at such an informed conclusion?This is their job,they get paid to do this just like teachers get paid to teach.They know the risks involved,they are not kids.When people have no clue about a situation,why don't they just keep quiet?

Soulhunter
04-13-2004, 05:53 PM
ok, so it's their job and those are the risks of their job. end of story?

SerbPVO
04-13-2004, 05:57 PM
Protect a food convoy? Why didn't the Iraqi's do it? Or US soldiers?
So these guys are basically guns for hire, ordinary mercenaries.

They knew the risks.

UkrainianAmerican
04-13-2004, 05:58 PM
Protect a food convoy? Why didn't the Iraqi's do it? Or US soldiers?
So these guys are basically guns for hire, ordinary mercenaries.
Because they have OTHER things to do.
:bash:

Red
04-13-2004, 05:58 PM
ok, so it's their job and those are the risks of their job. end of story?
Yes,it is the end of the story.These guys are providing a service.Economics 101,suplly and demand.

MaDuce
04-13-2004, 06:01 PM
Sure the contracters can leave but if Iraqis want a country w/ a inferstructure they are going to have to rebuild it temselfs in that case.

Red
04-13-2004, 06:01 PM
Protect a food convoy? Why didn't the Iraqi's do it? Or US soldiers?
So these guys are basically guns for hire, ordinary mercenaries.

They knew the risks.
Iraqis protecting food convoys?sorry,they are not trained for that.The function of these contractors is to remove a burden off military guys to do what they do best while the contractors handle other mundane things.Look i dont have the time to explain things to you,you have your opinion and i have mine,i know a couple of guys in this line of business and i can say from experience that you are plain worng.But that is just me.My only thing is that if you are not there or if you dont know the work they do then dont speak about it or call them names

SerbPVO
04-13-2004, 06:02 PM
No big loss.

The Iraqi's will always have Serbia's help.
After all, who built the Baghdad - Kuwait highway? Serbian construction companies, of course.

UkrainianAmerican
04-13-2004, 06:06 PM
No big loss.

The Iraqi's will always have Serbia's help.
After all, who built the Baghdad - Kuwait highway? Serbian construction companies, of course.
So If one of Serbian engineers dies, no big loss?
:bash:

Soulhunter
04-13-2004, 06:08 PM
But judging from the recent spate of attacks on convoys, and the resulting death and destruction, it seems like there aren't enough contractors/soldiers there anyway to guarantee security.

Red
04-13-2004, 06:10 PM
No big loss.

The Iraqi's will always have Serbia's help.
After all, who built the Baghdad - Kuwait highway? Serbian construction companies, of course.
Sure and serbia will always have 10 B-52's overhead,so watch out while you in the potty.

Red
04-13-2004, 06:12 PM
But judging from the recent spate of attacks on convoys, and the resulting death and destruction, it seems like there aren't enough contractors/soldiers there anyway to guarantee security.
Yes judging by that.But the thing is that even if you have a decent number of guys tagging a convoy,if the iraqis know their ****(and it appears that they do) they can inflict significant damage on that convoy irregardless of numbers.

Red
04-13-2004, 06:15 PM
look i wont BS you souldhunter,this is going to be an all out slug fest but the thing i dont agree with you is on the contractor issues.I have worked with some of them before and i can say that they do very good work.But as with all things there is always a negative aspect of things.I can say safely though that the contractors have made a significant impact in this war and i believe that they can play an important role in the future if given the chance.

Damian
04-13-2004, 06:28 PM
RIP

ibstolidude
04-13-2004, 06:33 PM
Protect a food convoy? Why didn't the Iraqi's do it? Or US soldiers?
So these guys are basically guns for hire, ordinary mercenaries.

They knew the risks.
How are they mercenaries when they are hired by their own national government, paid by their own national government an fulfill the objects of their own national government.

injetores que chamejam
04-13-2004, 07:07 PM
RIP

seruriermarshal
04-13-2004, 07:35 PM
RIP

Trident-za
04-13-2004, 07:47 PM
Condolences to the families of these men. :(

catdat
04-13-2004, 07:47 PM
There are lots of contractors that aren't armed to the teeth over there. Go check out AFEES on the web - thet're looking for a few good civilians to help set up PX's. I know freinds that were in Nam just as refridgeration techs (setting up the general's ac no doubt). This isn't an new concept. Are they at risk? You bet.

Engage brain before opening mouth.

catdat out

xjym2002
04-13-2004, 09:41 PM
RIP to all the innocents.

In another thread in memory of Scott Helvenston, someone post this article:
http://www.keepmedia.com/ShowItemDetails.do?item_id=366991
After reading the article, I began to feel it's not a good idea to have so many projects depend on PMCs. And relatively loosely managed PMC contractors might be easy targets of terrorists.

Truthsayer
04-13-2004, 09:43 PM
RIP :|

Sierra
04-13-2004, 09:45 PM
Thats Sad RIP :(

Why dont the people want a normal counrty without this stuff.

Falco
04-13-2004, 09:57 PM
RIP :(

Korth
04-13-2004, 10:09 PM
RIP

MetalBoy
04-13-2004, 10:12 PM
I don't understand what do the Iraqi thugs think they will gain from this senseless killing? Wouldn't it be better to hold onto hostages for supposed "benefits" they could get from negotiating their release? What good is a group of dead hostages? Unless they think now we're gonna cave in to their demands because they have proven to the world that they're serious about killing hostages.

Rilence
04-13-2004, 10:55 PM
RIP :( ....i noticed i say this alot on this web site and so do alot others

StarvingStudent47
04-14-2004, 01:28 AM
May they rest in peace.


I don't understand what do the Iraqi thugs think they will gain from this senseless killing? Wouldn't it be better to hold onto hostages for supposed "benefits" they could get from negotiating their release? What good is a group of dead hostages? Unless they think now we're gonna cave in to their demands because they have proven to the world that they're serious about killing hostages.

The murderers who did this don't think they're benefitting Iraq. They know they're making it worse. They're trying to turn Iraq into as much of a sh1thole as possible so they have poor desperate Iraqis to recruit for their Jihads, and they have pictures of poor desperate Iraqis to use to recruit other Muslims for their jihads.

These are the same people who blew up the water main to Baghdad about a month after US forces took the city. These actions have NO benefit to ANY Iraqi, and the above explanation is the only one I've ever heard which makes sense.

Ichhabe
04-14-2004, 02:39 AM
I don't understand what do the Iraqi thugs think they will gain from this senseless killing? Wouldn't it be better to hold onto hostages for supposed "benefits" they could get from negotiating their release? What good is a group of dead hostages? Unless they think now we're gonna cave in to their demands because they have proven to the world that they're serious about killing hostages.


As I see it: Most of the groups taking hostages, and know I'm talking about American hostages, are out there for one agenda:
That is to weaken the American power. To show to other Arab countries that the US are not in controle of Iraq.
After the Americans are showed on TV, they are in know use. Having them alive is too risky. Therefore, they are killed.

Why they are not interested in seeing their country raise from the ashes, is because the ones that want to raise it are foreign infidels.
There is a power vacuum in Iraq right now, and now some of these people are getting in to position as June the 30. is approaching.

How to solve this, I do not know. All that I know is that there are not enough soldiers on the ground in Iraq.
How many, I do not know, but according to one expert saying, approxamatly 250-300 000 + those 160 000 already there.

And how you SerbPVO:

RIP...but, what were they doing there in the first place?
I got no respect for these people - so called "contractors" who seek to get rich on someone elses misery.

How you have the balls and nerves to come with such a statement is beyond me.
Your country are responsible for that one need such things as "contractors" as you put it.
How you can't respect that some people are willing to leave their safe home and family to take part in a just cause, to help the helpless. Putting themselves in harms way so that the Iraqis one sweet day can be able to help themselves.
But well,... Looking at your earlier postings here, it is understandable.
Good luck tou you and your country to enter back in to the company od civilized countries. You need it.

hank
04-14-2004, 02:56 AM
This may be off topic, but NPR had a report on the Marines in Fallujah and an Arabic interpreter found a tape-recorder in a warehouse that was home to suspected suicide bombers from Astan and elsewhere in the Arab world. The tape said that he hoped to inflame shia and shiite aggression to help destroy America. Starvingstudent nailed it as usual. These people do not care about Iraq, they see this as an opportunity to harm imperialist pig America.

RIP to these brave Americans.

hank

Argyll
04-14-2004, 01:46 PM
you must be suicidal, thrill-seeking or greedy as hell to be a contractor there right now ...


None of the above plus you have no idea what you're talking about so shut yer mouth,and that especially goes to you SerbPVO.You have no clue as to the roles of these particular contractors,some are not "security",but just drivers...............so unless you know something I don't and i'm there.........just shut the fok up!! :fork:

Haiw
04-14-2004, 03:21 PM
Let it out Argyll...let it all out. Just vent on the forum pissing-pole. :D ;)