Hollywood ruins history again? Battle of Britain Movie...

[Spleen]

http://www.westpress.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=127638&command=displayContent&sourceNode=127637&contentPK=9562995

Anyone know any more about this movie? Sounds like another Hollywood masterpiece-of-sh*t! Can anything be done about this sort of garbage?

[injetores que chamejam]

Bwahahaha!!! rofl

[He219]

Maybe the Luftwaffe wins in this one .....

;)

[Romulus]

"Fiske was a brave man, all the Americans were brave - but there were only a very small number of them. The problem is that after this, a lot of people watching the film in America will actually believe that is the way it happened."

'Some' stupid people would believe it as fact. Actually, most Americans can read through the hollywood bull****. Give us a little credit here. I mean after watching 25mins of Windtalker and Pearl Harbor I knew I was watching crud.

Bottom line, Tom Cruise is gay.

[Midav]

But it's just gotta be true if Hollywood made it!!

:roll:

[Skaman]

another fine american hollywood production.

[Obergefreiter]

There were American there, but wasn't it only a squadron or 2 at the most? They were valuable help, but the Brits carried the day.

If the movies is half as bad as U-571.....well, it would be hard to be that bad, but we'll see.

[Uncle Chô]

The basis for the new film is that the British were on their knees and desperate for help in their fight for aerial superiority with the Luftwaffe. There were, apparently, aeroplanes sitting in hangars and a shortage of pilots. A few brave Americans answered the call
rofl rofl rofl

Polish ? Dutch ? New Zealanders ? Norwegians ? French ? Belgian ? South African ?

Where were you to help your English bros ?? rofl

Like "Pearl Harbour", " Independance Day ", " U571", "Behind Ennemy lines" or "Delta Force" (to name a few) : just ignore it :bash:

[FallenAngel]

I wonder if his callsign will be "Maverick" ;) :lol:

[MaDuce]

whatch for subliminal background messages condeming the war in Iraq.

[Skaman]

The average logical citizen does not need a "subliminal background message"...


Then again, Hollywood does not exactly cater to the highest of the intellectual ladder

[injetores que chamejam]

So why don't the English make a movie about it?

[MaDuce]

England doesn't have a big movie establishment alothough they still make some pretty good ones.

[Kilgor]

So why don't the English make a movie about it?

Ummm.. they did

:roll:

[Skaman]

So why don't the English make a movie about it?


they did. http://ia.imdb.com/media/imdb/01/I/33/47/23m.jpg

released in 69' with Micheal Caine

[Fioraon]

I own it, its pretty good.

[Kilgor]

yeah... its a great movie.

[MaDuce]

Lol whats next a version where just about when the brits are going to win Megatron flys hin destroys the RAF and then starts fighting with Optimus Prime whilst in the background Jeus arisises from the dead and resserects the dead soldiers and makes hem staring eating human flesh....In other words. TARGET THE YOUTH

[Romulus]

Independance Day

That wasn't real? Come on, that whole movie was science fiction bub so they had a little room to be creative.

[He219]

http://videodetective.net/boxart/small/1140/047910.jpg

I liked the part where the kid offers the British pilot a cigarette first thing after he lands in the field ..

Trailer (http://videodetective.com/home.asp?PublishedID=2416&VideoKbRate=1&AltID=&CustomerID=97135&WM=True&Ads=True&Play=True&Shorten=False)

[injetores que chamejam]

Well then I oughtta check it out.


I hope they make a film about the battle of Malta. They only had three of the Royal Navy Sea Gladiator biplane fighters, immortalized as Faith, Hope and Charity, to fight much of the Italian Regia Aeronautica.

[Herrmannek]

http://videodetective.net/boxart/small/1140/047910.jpg

I liked the part where the kid offers the British pilot a cigarette first thing after he lands in the field ..

Trailer (http://videodetective.com/home.asp?PublishedID=2416&VideoKbRate=1&AltID=&CustomerID=97135&WM=True&Ads=True&Play=True&Shorten=False)

I liked polish part :)

[Uncle Chô]

whatch for subliminal background messages condeming the war in Iraq.
:cantbeli:

Watch for the latest Hollywood movie : The Return of Paranoid MaDuce II : the Conspiracy rofl

My advice : stay away from your computer go out and get some fresh air... Oh yes, I forgot : the outside world is too dangerous, the WHOLE world is against you.

Want to deal with History? Give us more "BHD" alike movie and I'll support the Hollywood Industry. Not the garbage like the aforementioned films.

[He219]

What Polish Part?

;)

[Skaman]

Battle of Malta would make great move. Many Canadians took part in that epic aerial struggle such as the infamous Billy Bishop.

[injetores que chamejam]

Battle of Malta would make great move. Many Canadians took part in that epic aerial struggle such as the infamous Billy Bishop.

What is he infamous for?

[He219]

I wonder why they never made a Movie about the battle for Crete or Malta before?

And now we're on Battle of Britain, Part Deux ...

p-)

[Skaman]

I want to see how hollygoof handles the Iraq war in a few years down the road. I suspect flag waving, praising Iraqi children, slow motion scenes of American Heroism, ie. Buddy runs across enemy fire to save Iraqi child in crossfire. Maybe there will be some tears, some romantic elements ala pearl harbor. ohh, the agony.....

[Skaman]

Battle of Malta would make great move. Many Canadians took part in that epic aerial struggle such as the infamous Billy Bishop.

What is he infamous for?


A spectacular Pilot with countless confirmed kills amongst terrible odds.

[He219]

I want to see how hollygoof handles the Iraq war in a few years down the road. I suspect flag waving, praising Iraqi children, slow motion scenes of American Heroism, ie. Buddy runs across enemy fire to save Iraqi child in crossfire. Maybe there will be some tears, some romantic elements ala pearl harbor. ohh, the agony.....
Right after we takeover Canada!

Muhahaha ...

p-)


When the war began in Europe in 1939, several hundred Americans volunteered for service with the RAF, even though U.S. Neutrality Acts made them liable to prosecution. Usually they slipped into Canada for the voyage to England. Many served under false identities. A good number had washed out of U.S. air-cadet schools for physical reasons or because they were not judged good enough fliers.

By October 1940 there were enough U.S. fliers entering the RAF to form the first Eagle Squadron; two more were later formed. (Americans also served in the RAF Bomber Command and other units.)

In September 1942 the RAF’s three Eagle Squadrons were incorporated into the U.S. Army Air Forces. The pilots changed uniforms from RAF to AAF, wearing their AAF silver wings pinned over the left breast and sewing the knitted wings of the RAF over the right breast.

http://plasma.nationalgeographic.com/pearlharbor/ngbeyond/events/britain3.html

[Rantanplan]

I saw last year a Trailer about Czech Pilots in the BoB. Did sombody watched that Movie?

[DANJANOU]

Battle of Malta would make great move. Many Canadians took part in that epic aerial struggle such as the infamous Billy Bishop.

Umm Sorry there bud, William Avery (Billy) Bishop was a WWI fighter pilot not WWII. 72 confirmed kills (3rd highest during the war) awarded the VC, DSO, MC and several other decorations.

In WWII Wing Commander Bishop helped run the Commonwealth Pilot Training Plan in Canada. He never got near Malta. In fact he even has a cameo in the WWII James Cagney film Captains of the Clouds. He plays himself hadning out wings to graduating pilots.

His son was a fighter pilot in WWII.

BTW The Battle of Malta was done as movie by the Brits in the 1950's IIRC. The Malta Story. It's in B&W and I'm not sure if it's available on video or DVD yet.

Anyway to get back on the topic here. I agree this sounds like another piece of Hollywood crap. Want to bet there will be a love story grafted into it a la Pearl Harbor and Titanic.

[Vance]

I want to see how hollygoof handles the Iraq war in a few years down the road. I suspect flag waving, praising Iraqi children
Um...that DID happen, though...yeah


Battle of Malta would make great move. Many Canadians took part in that epic aerial struggle such as the infamous Billy Bishop.
My my, aren't we a little selfish?

[Kilgor]

I saw last year a Trailer about Chech Pilots in the BoB. Did sombody watched that Movie?

Deep blue sky.

Havent managed to see it yet, but many people consider it a good movie apart from the love triangle stuff :(

[Herrmannek]

What Polish Part?

;)
That one

"Stop that Polish chit-chats"

:)

[Skaman]

Battle of Malta would make great move. Many Canadians took part in that epic aerial struggle such as the infamous Billy Bishop.

Umm Sorry there bud, William Avery (Billy) Bishop was a WWI fighter pilot not WWII. 72 confirmed kills (3rd highest during the war) awarded the VC, DSO, MC and several other decorations.

In WWII Wing Commander Bishop helped run the Commonwealth Pilot Training Plan in Canada. He never got near Malta. In fact he even has a cameo in the WWII James Cagney film Captains of the Clouds. He plays himself hadning out wings to graduating pilots.

His son was a fighter pilot in WWII.

BTW The Battle of Malta was done as movie by the Brits in the 1950's IIRC. The Malta Story. It's in B&W and I'm not sure if it's available on video or DVD yet.

Anyway to get back on the topic here. I agree this sounds like another piece of Hollywood crap. Want to bet there will be a love story grafted into it a la Pearl Harbor and Titanic.


my mistake, should be Buzz Beurling

http://www.bookfinder.us/bookimages/jpgxl/1550286250.jpg

Great book, read it about two years go

[Rantanplan]

I saw last year a Trailer about Czech Pilots in the BoB. Did sombody watched that Movie?

Deep blue sky.

Havent managed to see it yet, but many people consider it a good movie apart from the love triangle stuff :(

I think the title was Dark Blue World

[TALOS]

I want to see how hollygoof handles the Iraq war in a few years down the road. I suspect flag waving, praising Iraqi children, slow motion scenes of American Heroism, ie. Buddy runs across enemy fire to save Iraqi child in crossfire. Maybe there will be some tears, some romantic elements ala pearl harbor. ohh, the agony.....
Ducimus, you are so blinded by your hate for americans that you cant even recognize that they do try to help the Iraqi's, as a matter of a fact somewhere in these forums is where I saw a pic of a marine carrying an Iraqi child to safety away from the scene of an attack on an american tank. You might hate all things american but dont show your ignorance by acting like they dont have people who do good.

[gaz]

Right, to get it out of the way first I'm not entirely happy about the idea of this movie but let's look at some of the issues here -

1 - The newspaper claims that "Top Gun" was directed by Micheal Mann when it wasn't, it was directed by Tony Scott so frankly I'm not inclined to believe everything in an article where they got a piece of information wrong that could have been confirmed simply by going to their local blockbuster.

2 - If the film is indeed to be directed by Micheal Mann (Which the IMDB says is correct) then I do indeed have some faith. In recent years Mann has directed "The Insider" and "Ali", both films based of true and events and both films that (To my knowledge) kept the fiction to a minimum.

3 - One of the big issues Britons have about Hollywood is that "Hollywood changes what happens in real life to glorify Americans" which on some occasions has been true, examples are "U571" and "Objective Burma!". However we're not entirely innocent of this ourselves, an example is a 1952 film called "The Sound Barrier" which shows a British team being the first to break the sound barrier.

4 - When "U571" came out in the UK the press over here went into uproar about how it had changed history. In reality a ship called HMS Bulldog captured an enigma machine before the Americans had actually entered the war. Two men boarded the German sub and unfortunately one of them drowned as the sub sank, the other man managed to get the machine. A journalist tracked down the survivor (Who's name I can't remember) and asked him his opinion of the movie, he pretty much said "It makes no claim to be real so what's the problem? In fact I actually enjoyed it, it was just too noisy". I realise the cases are s little different but if that man didn't have a problem with that then I'm not really sure I have a right to get upset over this.

But like I said way back at the beginning, I'm still not entirely happy about it.

[big_les]

As a Brit I must point out a slight embarassment re the '69 Battle of Britain film, and something Hollywood would never do...

The airfield being bombed was a real WW2 airfield (Duxford I think)...and those were real wartime buildings being destroyed. *blush* But hey, that's realism for you!!!

[TALOS]

didnt we have a discussion here a while back and it was shown that the polish intelligence actually provided the french with a copy of the enigma well before the bulldog incident?

[cut]

As a Brit I must point out a slight embarassment re the '69 Battle of Britain film, and something Hollywood would never do...

The airfield being bombed was a real WW2 airfield (Duxford I think)...and those were real wartime buildings being destroyed. *blush* But hey, that's realism for you!!!

they used real footage in the dambusters as well, no problem in that.

[Mark Sman]

Takka takka takka

[Kilgor]

I saw last year a Trailer about Czech Pilots in the BoB. Did sombody watched that Movie?

Deep blue sky.

Havent managed to see it yet, but many people consider it a good movie apart from the love triangle stuff :(

I think the title was Dark Blue World


ooops.. your right
!

[Gringo]

As a Brit I must point out a slight embarassment re the '69 Battle of Britain film, and something Hollywood would never do...

The airfield being bombed was a real WW2 airfield (Duxford I think)...and those were real wartime buildings being destroyed. *blush* But hey, that's realism for you!!!

been Duxford. Interestingly enough they made the film with only 3 flyable Spitfires, if I'm not mistaken.

"Would you cut that Polish chatter, and get into formation?"

[catdat]

It's too bad we gotta screw up "The Battle of Britian" but I notice there re-doing another one of my favorite flics as a psuedo gulf war movie:

"The Manchurian Candidate" (2004)

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0368008/

Is nothing sacred?

catdat out

[mocking_loudly_died]

Simple solution lets start making movies where the American civil war was won by a LEET group of Brits. I'm sure those going "oh it's just a movie, get over it" towards the Battle of Britain will soon have a major bug up their ass if the UK started re-writing history for the masses.

[Truthsayer]

I don't mind them re-doing their own movies with their own sence of history - if I just don't have to read through posts by flamers on other boards concearning games (since on most military boards, people are a little more educated about the events in WWII) and a bunch of teens flames other members about something they saw in a movie - while taking it as the truth.

Todays youth cannot separete movies from fiction from news-documentarys. (Kinda like they couldn't in the early 20th centery either...)

[injetores que chamejam]

Simple solution lets start making movies where the American civil war was won by a LEET group of Brits. I'm sure those going "oh it's just a movie, get over it towards the Battle of Britain" will soon have a major bug up their ass if the UK started re-writing history for the masses.

It would be interesting if a movie were made where the Brits and Canadians help the Confederacy to win the American Civil War.

[Truthsayer]

It would be interesting if a movie were made where the Brits and Canadians help the Confederacy to win the American Civil War.

Make that a black brit and you have upset some groups a hell lot more... ;)

[Kilgor]

Americans greatest contribution to BOB was the 100 octane fuel processed for the brits.

At the time all avation fuel had to come from overseas

[Spleen]

3 - One of the big issues Britons have about Hollywood is that "Hollywood changes what happens in real life to glorify Americans" which on some occasions has been true, examples are "U571" and "Objective Burma!". However we're not entirely innocent of this ourselves, an example is a 1952 film called "The Sound Barrier" which shows a British team being the first to break the sound barrier.


Heh, I didn't know that! That's a good one too, right up there with the Hollywood crap. I'll have to look into it.

[Romulus]

Simple solution lets start making movies where the American civil war was won by a LEET group of Brits. I'm sure those going "oh it's just a movie, get over it" towards the Battle of Britain will soon have a major bug up their ass if the UK started re-writing history for the masses.

Wouldn't bother me. It's a movie for christ sake. Takes a real dip **** to really think hollywood makes legit movies. All stories are whored out glorified to make them more interesting. Simple solution, don't like it ? Don't go see it!
All it takes to filter the rubbish is opening a book.

[esl]

WHile I do agree that this kind of revision of history is very dangerous there appears to be more to the Billy Fiske story...

http://www.fiske.clara.net/billy_fiske.htm




Pilot Officer
W.M.L. (Billy) Fiske

601 Squadron
Royal Air Force
Volunteer Reserve


In the south-east corner of Boxgrove graveyard in Sussex, England, there is a fine headstone to the memory of Pilot Officer Billy Fiske. On either side of his grave lie two soldiers, a Sapper in the Royal Engineers and a Corporal in the East Lancashire Regiment. Fiske's grave is distinguished by a small Stars and Stripes flag. This was the man whom Lt Col J T C Moore-Brabazon (later Lord Brabazon of Tara) honoured with the words in a newspaper tribute, "We thank America for sending us the perfect sportsman. Many of us would have given our lives for Billy."


So who was Billy Fiske, and why is he buried in Boxgrove churchyard, and what made him so special that on the 4th July (Independence Day) 1941 a tablet in his honour was unveiled in the crypt of St. Paul's Cathedral? At the unveiling, Sir Archibald Sinclair, Secretary of State for Air, said "Here was a young man for whom life held much. Under no kind of compulsion he came to fight for Britain. He came and he fought, and he died." As simple as that.

In September 1939, more than two years before America entered the War, Billy Fiske, an American citizen, joined the Royal Air force, pledging his life and loyalty to the King, George VI. At Tangmere, nearly a year later, aged 29, he redeemed that pledge. In those 29 years, Fiske, the first American serviceman in the RAF to lose his life in action, had always lived life to the full. He died a hero's death, surely the way he would have wanted to die, fighting the enemy in the form of a patrol of Junkers 87s about 12,000 feet above the Sussex countryside, at the controls of a Hurricane P3358.

Fiske was born on 4 June 1911 in Brooklyn, New York, the son of a wealthy banking family whose ancestors had gone to America from Suffolk in the seventeenth century. He attended school in Chicago and followed his family to France in 1924. He went to Trinity Hall, Cambridge in 1928 where he read Economics and History. Billy packed a lot into the few years between his stay at Trinity Hall and his return to England in 1938 for a spell at the London office of Dillon, Reed & Co, the New York bankers.

He was an accomplished sportsman, well-known on the Cresta run at St Moritz and for many years the unbeaten champion. He led the bobsleigh team for the USA in the Winter Olympics of 1928 at St Moritz, and at the 1932 Winter Olympics at Lake Placid. At this event, he carried the flag for the Americans at the opening ceremonies, presided over by Governor Franklin D Roosevelt of New York. He was invited, but declined to lead the bobsleigh team in the 1936 Winter Olympics. The Billy Fiske trophy is named for him, the youngest Gold Medal winner, at the age of 16, in the sport.

He was also a keen golfer, and at Cambridge and Mildenhall he became a well-known figure driving to the golf course at high speed on the long straight roads, in his 4.5 litre open Bentley, in British racing green, complete with bonnet-strap and projecting supercharger. He also managed to fit in a bit of film making in Tahiti.

He learnt to fly at an aerodrome near London and married Rose, the former Countess of Warwick, at Maidenhead in 1938. She remembers 'the big day when he was allowed to take me in an open two-seater" (aircraft) in a flight to Le Touquet which terminated at Deauville because of an oil leak that spattered over the windscreen and so hindered navigation.

Early in 1939 Billy was recalled to his firm's New York office shortly before England declared war on Germany on 3 September. An English friend, working in New York, Mr W P Clyde, an RAF reservist and a member of 601 (County of London) Auxiliary Air Force Squadron, talked him into sailing back to England with him on the Aquitania on 30 August. In his diary Billy Fiske records that "I believe I can lay claim to being the first US citizen to join the RAF in England after the outbreak of hostilities." He did not realise he was writing his epitaph. He also knew when he sailed from America that, as the regulations stood at the time, "no person, not a British citizen and a son of British citizens, could be eligible for any position whatsoever in the Air Force". So he worked out a plan to pass himself off as a Canadian of Canadian parentage. But, even so, he found that joining the RAF was harder than he anticipated and it was luck and knowing the right people which eventually got him an interview with a high-ranking RAF Officer. We know he was nervous before the interview as he records in his diary that he played a round of golf at Roehampton to give himself a "healthy look". He notes, "Needless to say, for once, I had a quiet Saturday night - I didn't want to have eyes looking like blood-stained oysters the next day."

He passed his interview and full of the joy of life went on to No 10 Elementary Flying Training School, Yatesbury Wiltshire. After Yatesbury, Billy moved to the Flying Training School at Brize Norton, Oxfordshire and with his wife took a small house at nearby Minster Lovell. At Brize Norton on 12 April 1940 he became Acting Pilot Officer Fiske and on 12 July he was posted to No 601 (County of London) Auxiliary Air Force Squadron at Tangmere. This Squadron was variously known as the Legionnaires and the Millionaires Squadron, for it had been at White's Club, St James's in 1924 that Lord Edward Grosvenor selected members of the Club to serve under him in 601. Billy now had one month to live.

At Tangmere there was some apprehension in 601 about taking "this untried American adventurer..." but Billy made no pretensions about his flying skill and was soon accepted. With typical gusto he threw himself into his training and on 20 July he undertook two operational take-offs in quick succession in Hurricane L1951 late in the afternoon. An American radio commentator (possibly Ed Murrow) said in 1942 that Billy Fiske, during his fleeting service with 601 destroyed six enemy aircraft, the first being a Heinkel. Billy enjoyed flying Hurricanes. No doubt the aircraft, with 100 gallons of petrol tucked away in tanks close to the pilot seat and an engine capable of taking it up to 335 mph reminded him of his Bentley. Then came the last flight. On 16 August Tangmere aerodrome was singled out for attack by German dive-bombers. The Operations Record Book of No 601 Squadron records that he took off in Hurricane P3358 at 12.25 pm. Squadron Leader Sir Archibald Hope Bt led the Squadron and they were ordered to patrol over Tangmere at about 12,000 feet. The dive-bombers, Junkers 87s, were seen to cross the coast east of Selsey Bill. When the Stukas, as they were called, started to dive on Tangmere and after several sharp individual combats, known as dog fights, the enemy were eventually chased out over the coast around Pagham Harbour.

When the Hurricanes started to land back at Tangmere, Billy Fiske's Hurricane was seen "to glide over the boundary and land on its belly." The Operations Record Book stated, "Pilot Officer Fiske was seen to land on the aerodrome and his aircraft immediately caught fire. He was taken from the machine but sustained severe burns ..." He was taken to the Royal West Sussex Hospital in Chichester, but died 48 hours later from shock.

The funeral took place on 20 August 1940. As the coffin, covered with the Union Jack and the Stars and Stripes, was borne on a bier to Boxgrove Priory Church, the Central Band of the RAF played funeral marches. Overhead, the Battle of Britain raged on. The coffin was borne into the churchyard by six members of the ground staff at Tangmere. Billy's comrades, although they did not land back at Tangmere until late that day, came with him on his last journey to Boxgrove.

Billy Fiske, sportsman, golden boy, fighter pilot, is rightly honoured as the first American airman in British Service to die in World War II. Many Americans followed him. By 1941 there were enough American pilots in the RAF to form the three Eagle Squadrons, Nos 71, 121, and 132.

[Truthsayer]

Simple solution lets start making movies where the American civil war was won by a LEET group of Brits. I'm sure those going "oh it's just a movie, get over it" towards the Battle of Britain will soon have a major bug up their ass if the UK started re-writing history for the masses.

Wouldn't bother me. It's a movie for christ sake. Takes a real dip **** to really think hollywood makes legit movies. All stories are whored out glorified to make them more interesting. Simple solution, don't like it ? Don't go see it!
All it takes to filter the rubbish is opening a book.

If some group with an agenda gets through a movie that claims the holocoust never happened, the assasination on JFK was done by by some inveromentalists or that Bin Laden was an CIA agent that claimed to the top of the organisation and just actd with it's 'spirit' not to blow his cover - surely you would care?

It's not the once that choose not to watch it that I'm worried about - it's the one that watches it and believes it to be the truth.


Just watch all the kiddies having their arguments after BHD was released...over small things like some straps on their gear. Not realising that Blackhawk supplied gear to the movie, but had no gear supplied to the Deltas in Somalia in reality...and so on.

I think you catch my drift.

[Romulus]

If some group with an agenda gets through a movie that claims the holocoust never happened, the assasination on JFK was done by by some inveromentalists or that Bin Laden was an CIA agent that claimed to the top of the organisation and just actd with it's 'spirit' not to blow his cover - surely you would care?

Like I said " It's a movie ". I'm sure there are 100 movies about the JFK assasination, but do I care? No !!

If your worried about what youths think when they see these movies, try asking yourself what the hell are these schools teaching now a days if the kids can't decifer fact from fiction. Seriously, this is about the dumbest thing to argue over, I mean hell, I thought hollywood was going over the line when they did a sequel to Problem Child :lol: . Anyway, hollywood is filled with such great left wing actors that I doubt you could find one willing to do a film about the Iraq war.

[juhae]

I saw last year a Trailer about Czech Pilots in the BoB. Did sombody watched that Movie?
Saw it in the movies when it was released (and brought the movie poster with me, whee.)

A nice movie in general, fresh perspective and nice flight scenes (except using CASA 2.111's as He-111's and HA-1112's for Bf-109's always makes me a bit nervous, still waiting for the digital technology to become cheap/usable enough to replace ahistorical planes.)

Wouldn't give a straight 10 because of the annoying mandatory lovestory, though.

[martinexsquaddie]

how about remaking the patriot except this time mel the god botherer
goes up against warriors
ground up minutemen ala russian movies rofl

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

didnt we have a discussion here a while back and it was shown that the polish intelligence actually provided the french with a copy of the enigma well before the bulldog incident?
Yep we did, the stuff the Bulldog crew got helped the allies stay on top of their game.

[ogukuo72]

didnt we have a discussion here a while back and it was shown that the polish intelligence actually provided the french with a copy of the enigma well before the bulldog incident?
Yep we did, the stuff the Bulldog crew got helped the allies stay on top of their game.

Yep. The Polish was the first to 'reverse engineer' an Enigma and their mathematicians were the first to try to break coded messages using the rebuilt Enigma. Later British successes was built upon this Polish achievement - which was not often given enough credit.

It's a common misconception that capturing the Enigma machines were enough to break the codes. This is not true. The secret is in the rotas (more commonly called the wheels) in the machines. Early Engimas had three rotas, later ones had four. It is the settings of these rotas that was the secret behind Engima's cryptographic abilities. New sets of rotas were issued on a regular basis.

Thus the real value of capturing existing Enigma machines is in capturing the current set of rotas and its current settings. This allows Allied cryptographers to read German messages for a time and gain additional data input for their mathematical calculations.

[DANJANOU]

my mistake, should be Buzz Beurling

http://www.bookfinder.us/bookimages/jpgxl/1550286250.jpg

Great book, read it about two years go

That's kind of a big mistake there troop. Especially for someone who comes on here trumpeting his "expertise" on Canadian military history, and shooting down (sorry couldn't resist it) anyone who disagrees with him.

[Threelions]

Yea it is only a movie, and hopefully people know that, but unfortunetly alot of people dont. Far to many people think that if its in the movies its real.


MSpencer1313 wrote:
Not really...


The US liberated the UK in the 40s. I wouldn't say precisely liberated, but we stopped Britain from being overrun by the Nazis. Believe me, it would have happened, and then you'd all be speaking Russian as the USSR poured over through Europe


That is a quote from a thread only a few days ago... Doubt this movie is going to help fix very common misconceptions.

Cheers

[sinfonía de seis armas]

It would be interesting if a movie were made where the Brits and Canadians help the Confederacy to win the American Civil War.

Make that a black brit and you have upset some groups a hell lot more... ;)

Actually, there were more black volunteer troops fighting for the Confederacy than for the Union.

Of course you will not see them make that into a movie.

[AFACadet]

I can't say how THIS movie will be depected, but the Eagle Squadron was much more significant than most people know (even the Brits).


Sure, the Brits did the lions share of work, but there were from start to finish a couple hundred US (and from a few other countres) pilots who flew in the eagle squadron. Overall, they shot down 50-60 German aircraft.






For a group of people who went over on their own free will to fight in another country, that's not to shabby if you ask me.

[AFACadet]

Here are the numbers:


From the time the first Eagle Squadron was formed in September 1940 until all three squadrons were disbanded and incorporated into the USAAF in September 1942, they destroyed 73 1/2 German planes while 77 American and 5 British members were killed.


An organization named the Knight Committee was responsible for recruiting nearly 90 percent of the Eagle Squadron members. The basic requirements for those interested in joining the Eagles were a high school diploma, between 20 and 31 years of age, eyesight that was 20/40 correctable to 20/20, and 300 hours of certified flying time.

I think Tommie Boy there is a few years too old...


These requirements were somewhat less strict than those required for service in the USAAF which is the reason some of the pilots joined the RAF or the RCAF in the first place. Most Eagle Squadron pilots did not have a college education or prior military experience. The reason most of the pilots volunteered was quite simply for adventure.

meh, I don't think this would surprise anyone

For those of you wondering why there were more KIA than shootdowns...

Convoy escort patrols were common, long, and monototonous. Usually convoy escort was done by 2 planes flying circuits around the ships at an altitude as low as 100 feet. Given poor weather, fog & haze it was not uncommon for planes to crash into the sea. Rhubarbs were two plane low level ground attack missions.



Overall,
Approximately 15,000 joined the Royal Air Force and Royal Canadian Air Force where, as a rule, they were assimilated into various flying units.

While all those were not in the three Eagle Squadrons, that's a pretty good amount of manpower if you ask me.


By the time America officially entered the war, with the bombing of Pearl Harbour, 50,000 applications were received and 6,700 pilots were cleared for service.

[big_les]

As a Brit I must point out a slight embarassment re the '69 Battle of Britain film, and something Hollywood would never do...

The airfield being bombed was a real WW2 airfield (Duxford I think)...and those were real wartime buildings being destroyed. *blush* But hey, that's realism for you!!!

they used real footage in the dambusters as well, no problem in that.

Erm, indeed...we aren't talking library footage here, what I was saying was that they went to Duxford and *bombed it* (albeit not from the air) specifically for the film!

There's quite a few things wrong with that!