Bush Speech

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frustrating beauty :D

You should watch it.

[UkrainianAmerican]

Great speech.

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Great speech.

the speech is the easy part for him

[Mark Sman]

Insticated?

[Universal]

Holy **** this guy is an idiot! :cantbeli:
Can't believe the US is being run by this guy. I pitty you americans, you need to change your government.

[Universal]

Great speech.

the speech is the easy part for him

because some1 else wrote it for him. rofl

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instigated + indicated= insticated

[Aussie E]

no speech is easy for George, he has to be one of the worst public speakers in US presidential history. And don't jump my s*** I voted form him and will again, all I'm trying to say is that his cadence and timing are way off. I agree with his content it's the delivier he has trouble with.

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Great speech.

the speech is the easy part for him

because some1 else wrote it for him. rofl

who doesn't have a speech writer?

[Truthsayer]

Please post any transcripts.

[American Patriot]

:lol Good speech from the prez. The 9/11 comission is a joke.

[UkrainianAmerican]

no speech is easy for George, he has to be one of the worst public speakers in US presidential history. And don't jump my s*** I voted form him and will again, all I'm trying to say is that his cadence and timing are way off. I agree with his content it's the delivier he has trouble with.
But his Job is to lead the nation, not to be a P.R. dude.

[scm77]

It doesn't matter how he says it. What matters is what he says.

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Please post any transcripts.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsa/n5ctrl/live/now1.ram

watch it

[Truthsayer]

But his Job is to lead the nation, not to be a P.R. dude.

Incorrect - since your nation are judged upon your presidents words, actions AND behaivor.

If you say no to this - then I guess you know better how euros, asians and so on, view your country better then we do it yourselfs...erhm...


(The same reason I think it's time for the king to abdicate here and in other european countrys...)

[FallenAngel]

no speech is easy for George, he has to be one of the worst public speakers in US presidential history. And don't jump my s*** I voted form him and will again, all I'm trying to say is that his cadence and timing are way off. I agree with his content it's the delivier he has trouble with.

I'm pretty sure the President is dyslexic- thus reading a speech aloud is troubling for him enough as it is without tens of millions watching him. Give the guy some credit....he's probably doing a better job than 90% of the people out there, most of whom can not deliever a coherent and flowing speech to a classroom, much less a nation.

[Aussie E]

His job is to be America's representative to the world as well as lead the nation. He's doing a fine job on the second, the first not so good.

[Ratamacue]

Pretty sure he's dyslexic. He's speaking better than most people on this forum probably could in public, not to mention in front of millions of people. At this point he's also having to think on his feet, which means that quite naturally he'll be taking some short pauses and "uhs" to continue his response.

[FallenAngel]

But his Job is to lead the nation, not to be a P.R. dude.

Incorrect - since your nation are judged upon your presidents words, actions AND behaivor.

If you say no to this - then I guess you know better how euros, asians and so on, view your country better then we do it yourselfs...erhm...


(The same reason I think it's time for the king to abdicate here and in other european countrys...)


Holy **** this guy is an idiot!
Can't believe the US is being run by this guy. I pitty you americans, you need to change your government.

Actually....your understanding of the American political system smacks of ignorance. The President, by and large, is merely a mouth-piece for the true legislative and ruling body of America- Congress. The President himself has very little in terms of direct power- most of which comes from the power to veto new laws (which itself can be over-turned by the Supreme Court). He can only suggest policy both economically and internationally. Granted his words have significant weight, but in the end it is Congress which must approve any action.

In short....he is only a man, a man who's job it is to relate what the massive instituion we call "government" has decided and agreed upon to the people.

[injetores que chamejam]

Fox news (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,117017,00.html)


This has been tough weeks in that country. Coalition forces have encountered serious violence in some areas of Iraq," Bush said in a prime-time press conference.

Bush said three groups -- Saddam Hussein backers, insurgents, including those backed by Shiite cleric Muqtada Al-Sadr (search), and foreign terrorists — are fighting against the U.S.-led coalition. He warned that Al-Sadr "must answer the charges against him and disband his illegal militia," which has been responsible for much of the violence as well as recent kidnappings of foreign workers in Iraq.

"They want to run us out of Iraq and destory the democratic hopes of the Iraqi people. The violence we have seen is a power grab ... it's not a civil war, it's not a popular uprising. Most of Iraq is relatively stable," he said.

The president opened the news conference with a 20-minute statement on Iraq in which he reminded the country what's at stake in Iraq and repeated his commitment to transfer sovereignty to Iraqi civilians on June 30.

"Were the coalition to step back from the June 30th pledge, many Iraqis would question our intentions and feel their hopes betrayed. And those in Iraq who trade in hatred and conspiracy theories would find a larger audience and gain a stronger hand. We will not step back from our pledge. On June 30th, Iraqi sovereignty (search) will be placed in Iraqi hands," he said.

[American Patriot]

Some of you here think the president is retarded which makes your case laughable.

[injetores que chamejam]

Check it out! :)



http://www.thankyoutony.com/

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"I'm sure something will pop in my head", ooh....close shave

[Ratamacue]

"I'm sure something will pop in my head", ooh....close shave

Would you find it more appropriate if he stood there staring into space until something did?

[American Patriot]

"I'm sure something will pop in my head", ooh....close shave

Out of context quote.

The question asked was, "What would you have done differently with the War on Terror?"

He couldn't think of anything to say and I don't blame him.

[Fox2]

Pretty sure he's dyslexic.

I have also read that.

If that is the case, he has probably had to go through a lot just to be able to read outloud like that.

I've got family with learning disabilities, and it's definitely hard for them to learn or think in the same way as the rest of us. People with ADD, ADHD, and dyslexia many times get labeled as unintelligent or stupid by the people who don't understand those problems.

My kid sister has ADHD, and it's definitely a morale-raiser for her to see that people with learning disabilities can do great things and hold high offices.

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White man's burden quotes?

slightly modified: "freedom is the almighty's gift to the world it's our job to make it happen" (paraphrasing the end)

[Truthsayer]

But his Job is to lead the nation, not to be a P.R. dude.

Incorrect - since your nation are judged upon your presidents words, actions AND behaivor.

If you say no to this - then I guess you know better how euros, asians and so on, view your country better then we do it yourselfs...erhm...


(The same reason I think it's time for the king to abdicate here and in other european countrys...)


Holy **** this guy is an idiot!
Can't believe the US is being run by this guy. I pitty you americans, you need to change your government.

Actually....your understanding of the American political system smacks of ignorance. The President, by and large, is merely a mouth-piece for the true legislative and ruling body of America- Congress. The President himself has very little in terms of direct power- most of which comes from the power to veto new laws (which itself can be over-turned by the Supreme Court). He can only suggest policy both economically and internationally. Granted his words have significant weight, but in the end it is Congress which must approve any action.

In short....he is only a man, a man who's job it is to relate what the massive instituion we call "government" has decided and agreed upon to the people.

I know very well how how the american system works, both juridicial and political. Do you know how any european system works?

Btw, you are still incorrect - since you somehow try to tell me that I don't know how he is representing your country according to US (non-us-citicens) by refering to the political system. That is pure nonsence.

By our logic you know better how others feel by the US or how others feel about your president and his PR-value to your country then the once that are affected - wonderfull.


(Btw, incase you aren't able to read english properly, take note what I said about the kings and queens in Europe - they don't have any power _at all_ in most countries, and are still considered 'PR-officers' for their respective countries - how strange huh?)

[Aussie E]

He did a better job in the Q&A session than the written speech. He truly believes inwhat he is saying, which in my opion is more important than someone who can give someone else speech perfectly but has no belief in what he is saying.

[Universal]

The man was struggling to get words out. lol but I gotta say I like this guy, even though I hate what he's done with the world and the country he resides in, I wouldn't mind having him as a friend. He's the kinda guy you just wanna kick back, relax and enjoy a ball game with, don't ask him anything that would make him use his brains though. rofl

[Aussie E]

Universal what do you hate about what he has done to America? I've lived here for the past ten+ years and in my opion (and that's all it is, MY OPION) life under his presidency has been no worse than life under the previous president. I have been affected by the 9/11 events, but he had no control of a bunch of fanantic damaging our country and economy, and in the years since everything he has done has been for the good of the country and it's people. He had to make some tough decision and thank god he had balls to the make though decisions.Do you live in America? Have you spent alot of time over here before and during his presidency?

[Ratamacue]

The man was struggling to get words out. lol but I gotta say I like this guy, even though I hate what he's done with the world and the country he resides in, I wouldn't mind having him as a friend. He's the kinda guy you just wanna kick back, relax and enjoy a ball game with, don't ask him anything that would make him use his brains though. rofl

:roll:

[Universal]

Universal what do you hate about what he has done to America? I've lived here for the past ten+ years and in my opion (and that's all it is, MY OPION) life under his presidency has been no worse than life under the previous president. I have been affected by the 9/11 events, but he had no control of a bunch of fanantic damaging our country and economy, and in the years since everything he has done has been for the good of the country and it's people. He had to make some tough decision and thank god he had balls to the make though decisions.Do you live in America? Have you spent alot of time over here before and during his presidency?

Imagine a world were corporations choose leaders, put them in power, and have them rewrite laws to increase profit. Imagine a world were corporations start wars, to create and increase their man further products. Imagine a world were the news media, owned by these corporations, only tells the public what they want them to know. Imagine the president who sells out his people and their environment to boost the wealth of a few. Unbelievable? It should be.


I didn't write this, but I like it. What do you think?

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Corporations are a factor, not a cause.

[Red]

Universal what do you hate about what he has done to America? I've lived here for the past ten+ years and in my opion (and that's all it is, MY OPION) life under his presidency has been no worse than life under the previous president. I have been affected by the 9/11 events, but he had no control of a bunch of fanantic damaging our country and economy, and in the years since everything he has done has been for the good of the country and it's people. He had to make some tough decision and thank god he had balls to the make though decisions.Do you live in America? Have you spent alot of time over here before and during his presidency?

Imagine a world were corporations choose leaders, put them in power, and have them rewrite laws to increase profit. Imagine a world were corporations start wars, to create and increase their man further products. Imagine a world were the news media, owned by these corporations, only tells the public what they want them to know. Imagine the president who sells out his people and their environment to boost the wealth of a few. Unbelievable? It should be.


I didn't write this, but I like it. What do you think?
From what i get you are not an american,so why dont you just mind your business and focus on your own president/Prime minister rather than tell the americans how Bush has ruined their country.If you dont like him then why dont you keep that view to your self.Just my opinion

[Universal]

Universal what do you hate about what he has done to America? I've lived here for the past ten+ years and in my opion (and that's all it is, MY OPION) life under his presidency has been no worse than life under the previous president. I have been affected by the 9/11 events, but he had no control of a bunch of fanantic damaging our country and economy, and in the years since everything he has done has been for the good of the country and it's people. He had to make some tough decision and thank god he had balls to the make though decisions.Do you live in America? Have you spent alot of time over here before and during his presidency?

Imagine a world were corporations choose leaders, put them in power, and have them rewrite laws to increase profit. Imagine a world were corporations start wars, to create and increase their man further products. Imagine a world were the news media, owned by these corporations, only tells the public what they want them to know. Imagine the president who sells out his people and their environment to boost the wealth of a few. Unbelievable? It should be.


I didn't write this, but I like it. What do you think?
From what i get you are not an american,so why dont you just mind your business and focus on your own president/Prime minister rather than tell the americans how Bush has ruined their country.If you dont like him then why dont you keep that view to your self.Just my opinion

Why don't your "americans" mind their own business and get out of Iraq.

[Aussie E]

I specifically asked what you thought President Bush had done to ruin America, not some rehashed quote about imaging a world! I want your reasons why this country is ruined. No corperation choose Bush to be the president, a bunch of people down in Florida made that possible.

[Aussie E]

Universal Wrote

Why don't your "americans" mind their own business and get out of Iraq.
Changing the subject when you don't have an answer is always a good tactic. or are you waiting for
"I'm sure something will pop in my head", ooh....close shave

[SeanAshi]

Universal how many idiots can graudate from 2 Ivy league schools (Yale, Harvard), like to see you try..so zip it you **** ;)

[Ballistic]

Universal Wrote

Why don't your "americans" mind their own business and get out of Iraq.
Changing the subject when you don't have an answer is always a good tactic. or are you waiting for
I'm sure something will pop in my head", ooh....close shave


Hahahahaha. Nice. :D

I think President Bush has done extremely well under immense pressure to get results. He has my respect and admiration. I dont think any other President would have had the courage (balls as some would say :)) to do what he has done. If I was American, he'd have my vote for sure.

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Universal how many idiots can graudate from 2 Ivy league schools (Yale, Harvard), like to see you try..so zip it you **** ;)

I find it hard to believe daddy's cash had nothing to do with that. He vaguely intelligent, but he's not exactly at barrister level.

[Gordon]

He did a better job in the Q&A session than the written speech. He truly believes inwhat he is saying, which in my opion is more important than someone who can give someone else speech perfectly but has no belief in what he is saying.

I have to say, I watched the whole thing and I think he does truly believe that what he's doing is necessary and right, and that is more important than whether he makes a few slip ups or not in his speech. Whether it's been gone about it in the right way is a different matter .... I don't know the answer to that one.

[Merik]

He stays his course and sticks to what he says.

[Red]

Universal what do you hate about what he has done to America? I've lived here for the past ten+ years and in my opion (and that's all it is, MY OPION) life under his presidency has been no worse than life under the previous president. I have been affected by the 9/11 events, but he had no control of a bunch of fanantic damaging our country and economy, and in the years since everything he has done has been for the good of the country and it's people. He had to make some tough decision and thank god he had balls to the make though decisions.Do you live in America? Have you spent alot of time over here before and during his presidency?

Imagine a world were corporations choose leaders, put them in power, and have them rewrite laws to increase profit. Imagine a world were corporations start wars, to create and increase their man further products. Imagine a world were the news media, owned by these corporations, only tells the public what they want them to know. Imagine the president who sells out his people and their environment to boost the wealth of a few. Unbelievable? It should be.


I didn't write this, but I like it. What do you think?
From what i get you are not an american,so why dont you just mind your business and focus on your own president/Prime minister rather than tell the americans how Bush has ruined their country.If you dont like him then why dont you keep that view to your self.Just my opinion

Why don't your "americans" mind their own business and get out of Iraq.
enough said.

[Truthsayer]

I for one don't hate Bush. Hate is for the weak.

Disagreeing with an subject is not hating. Hate and fear is what starts wars. And stops them from ever truly ending.

There are much worse leaders the US could have had, both left and right.

[Red]

I for one don't hate Bush. Hate is for the weak.

Disagreeing with an subject is not hating. Hate and fear is what starts wars. And stops them from ever truly ending.

There are much worse leaders the US could have had, both left and right.
where is god's right shoulder?

[Truthsayer]

Up in the fairyland. ;)

I'm from sweden if you are asking, but are looking forward to spending my time in the US and Asia more. Love both places (or, all three...).

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Up in the fairyland. ;)

I'm from sweden if you are asking, but are looking forward to spending my time in the US and Asia more. Love both places (or, all three...).

far east?

[budanski]

I find it hard to believe daddy's cash had nothing to do with that. He vaguely intelligent, but he's not exactly at barrister level.

I doubt daddy's cash got him an SAT score of 1200.

[Truthsayer]

far east?

Uh? If you wondering where in asia I like to spend my time (and more in the future), then Thailand and Japan.

Um...this turned into a contact-ad? =)

[Red]

Up in the fairyland. ;)

I'm from sweden if you are asking, but are looking forward to spending my time in the US and Asia more. Love both places (or, all three...).
My dad told me so many good things about sweden,he was at malmo and gothenberg.I have met a couple of swedes in my life time.I wanted to visit but i am scared of visting places outside the main Western european countries (i happen to be black).I dont know what kind of reaction i could get in those places that i doubt you get lots of black guys.Stupid my fear is,isn't it?

[Red]

I find it hard to believe daddy's cash had nothing to do with that. He vaguely intelligent, but he's not exactly at barrister level.

I doubt daddy's cash got him an SAT score of 1200.dayum,i was only able to pull a 1010 in my SAT's

[Truthsayer]

Up in the fairyland. ;)

I'm from sweden if you are asking, but are looking forward to spending my time in the US and Asia more. Love both places (or, all three...).
My dad told me so many good things about sweden,he was at malmo and gothenberg.I have met a couple of swedes in my life time.I wanted to visit but i am scared of visting places outside the main Western european countries (i happen to be black).I dont know what kind of reaction i could get in those places that i doubt you get lots of black guys.Stupid my fear is,isn't it?

Well, contrary to Finland for instance, we have a lot of 'black' people here, aswell as many other groups, since we are kinda open for imigration (or so, more then other scandinavian countries).

Due to recent events, large immigration-groups from kosovo and clashes between turks and kurds, aswell as turks and greeks, black acctually have a higher social value by default.

I don't personally know anyone that has any problems with 'black' people at all. If you where to ever visit Sweden, let me know!

[Universal]

watch this;

http://www.bushin30seconds.org/view/2232_small.shtml

[Red]

Up in the fairyland. ;)

I'm from sweden if you are asking, but are looking forward to spending my time in the US and Asia more. Love both places (or, all three...).
My dad told me so many good things about sweden,he was at malmo and gothenberg.I have met a couple of swedes in my life time.I wanted to visit but i am scared of visting places outside the main Western european countries (i happen to be black).I dont know what kind of reaction i could get in those places that i doubt you get lots of black guys.Stupid my fear is,isn't it?

Well, contrary to Finland for instance, we have a lot of 'black' people here, aswell as many other groups, since we are kinda open for imigration (or so, more then other scandinavian countries).

Due to recent events, large immigration-groups from kosovo and clashes between turks and kurds, aswell as turks and greeks, black acctually have a higher social value by default.

I don't personally know anyone that has any problems with 'black' people at all. If you where to ever visit Sweden, let me know!
sure thing,i plan on getting to Europe this summer,that is after i go to California,i am going skydiving(my hobby) woot

[Aussie E]

Universal, I ask again what are your thought on why this country has been ruined by Bush. Nice cartoon, but it doesn't make up for your non-reply. I realy don't think you can blame Bush for all the lost job's. More than 10000 workers were laid off here in Las Vegas after 9/11. A city that lives off tourism didn't do to well with all air travel grounded immediatly after 9/11. Once again I would like to here your thuoghts and reasons!

[admar2]

say what you will about Bush, but I think he truly believes what he says and isn't just bull****ting his way through it. when he says something, he means it, and he follows through on it.

I happen to like the fact that he doesn't sound like an elitist bastard when he is giving a speech, a al AlGore. he speaks in plain language and speaks right past the snobs in the media and right to the public.

I don't agree with most of his stances on domestic issues, but to me the most important issue is security, and I damn sure won't entrust that to the pacifists and apologists in the democrat party.

[SeanAshi]

Daddys money might have got him into Yale but he made the grade and then again at Harvard he flew the F-102 So college was a party for him and he stayed drunk but he graduated, Cut have you graduated from a University?

[Ratamacue]

I find it hard to believe daddy's cash had nothing to do with that. He vaguely intelligent, but he's not exactly at barrister level.

I doubt daddy's cash got him an SAT score of 1200.

To be honest, a 1200 on the SAT isn't amazingly impressive anymore. Maybe it was back then, I don't know. Today it's definitely a strong score but I doubt it'd get you into an Ivy League school.

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Daddys money might have got him into Yale but he made the grade and then again at Harvard he flew the F-102 So college was a party for him and he stayed drunk but he graduated, Cut have you graduated from a University?

getting there, my dad hasn't payed for the new library yet, so I'm taking a year out to go skiing.

[SeanAshi]

I graduate next month! got my $90,000 worth woot good thing tutuion at my school went up 20%

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I graduate next month! got my $90,000 worth woot

I've got two years left in a four year course. But one thing is sure I wont have paid that much when I graduate.

[Red]

I graduate next month! got my $90,000 worth woot good thing tutuion at my school went up 20%
what school is that?dayum that is damn expensive.Do you board?do you work part time?

[Fox2]

say what you will about Bush, but I think he truly believes what he says and isn't just bull****ting his way through it. when he says something, he means it, and he follows through on it.

I happen to like the fact that he doesn't sound like an elitist bastard when he is giving a speech, a al AlGore. he speaks in plain language and speaks right past the snobs in the media and right to the public.

I don't agree with most of his stances on domestic issues, but to me the most important issue is security, and I damn sure won't entrust that to the pacifists and apologists in the democrat party.

Well said.

[BlackRain]

You guys must stop giving Universal such a hard time.

Imagine how hard it must be for him to type with a **** in his ass.

Just kidding, I really did not mean ****.

[Universal]

Universal, I ask again what are your thought on why this country has been ruined by Bush. Nice cartoon, but it doesn't make up for your non-reply. I realy don't think you can blame Bush for all the lost job's. More than 10000 workers were laid off here in Las Vegas after 9/11. A city that lives off tourism didn't do to well with all air travel grounded immediatly after 9/11. Once again I would like to here your thuoghts and reasons!

sorry for not replying earlier; he cost american lives, afghan lives, and iraqi lives. What more do you want?

[Red]

Universal, I ask again what are your thought on why this country has been ruined by Bush. Nice cartoon, but it doesn't make up for your non-reply. I realy don't think you can blame Bush for all the lost job's. More than 10000 workers were laid off here in Las Vegas after 9/11. A city that lives off tourism didn't do to well with all air travel grounded immediatly after 9/11. Once again I would like to here your thuoghts and reasons!

sorry for not replying earlier; he cost american lives, afghan lives, and iraqi lives. What more do you want?Ok universal you are right

[usa320]

"he cost" far less lives than a terrorist attack with a nuclear or biological weapon would have.


What do you think?

I think your a god damn moron who needs to pull his head out of his ass...

I also think you are the same idiot as truthsayer...again i think the mods need to do IP crosschecks.

As for the speech, i think he did a great job. its not his grammer or speaking abilities that you people should be scrutinizing. Its the message. The message was that as the worlds most powerful country, it is our duty to humanity to ensure that freedom and liberty are protected. And that we will see it through. And amen to that. On 9-11 Bush said we will not tire, we will not falter, and we will not fail. We havent. And we wont.

[Aussie E]

Keep those thoughts and reasons short and sweet (that way you don't have to think too hard). You don't think that the instagators of 9/11 cost those lives? Were we meant to roll over and say we are sorry? Yah, that would have have been better! I don't see hoe those lost lives have ruined America. Our brave soldiers that have died made the ultimate sacrifice, so this country could move forward into a safer world. It has been tragic for many families, but I don't think it has ruined America.

[Universal]

"he cost" far less lives than a terrorist attack with a nuclear or biological weapon would have.


What do you think?

I think your a god damn moron who needs to pull his head out of his ass...

I also think you are the same idiot as truthsayer...again i think the mods need to do IP crosschecks.

As for the speech, i think he did a great job. its not his grammer or speaking abilities that you people should be scrutinizing. Its the message. The message was that as the worlds most powerful country, it is our duty to humanity to ensure that freedom and liberty are protected. And that we will see it through. And amen to that. On 9-11 Bush said we will not tire, we will not falter, and we will not fail. We havent. And we wont.


ooooooh... how patriotic you are. :roll:

[Truthsayer]

I think your a god damn moron who needs to pull his head out of his ass...

I also think you are the same idiot as truthsayer...again i think the mods need to do IP crosschecks.


What?

And what have I dont now...?

[usa320]

i dunno, i shouldnt have pointed at truthsayer, but there are definately Multiple accounts on this site...

ooooohhh....universal is still an ignoramus. Ugly bitches are more interseting than his posts.

[SeanAshi]

what school is that?dayum that is damn expensive.Do you board?do you work part time?Full time student at Baylor University in Waco Texas, its actually the cheapest private school in the country.

[Universal]

Keep those thoughts and reasons short and sweet (that way you don't have to think too hard). You don't think that the instagators of 9/11 cost those lives? Were we meant to roll over and say we are sorry? Yah, that would have have been better! I don't see hoe those lost lives have ruined America. Our brave soldiers that have died made the ultimate sacrifice, so this country could move forward into a safer world. It has been tragic for many families, but I don't think it has ruined America.

can you please show me where I said the words "america is ruined" ?

First it was saddam "we don't feel safe with saddam around" so he's out. Still not feeling safe? saddam was in power since the 60's, how many times has he tried to attack the US?

[Universal]

i dunno, i shouldnt have pointed at truthsayer, but there are definately Multiple accounts on this site...

ooooohhh....universal is still an ignoramus. Ugly bitches are more interseting than his posts.

I guess you date ugly bitches. Or are you one?

[Aussie E]

My bad, you never said he ruined America, just that you hate what he has done to it and the world.[/quote]

[Red]

what school is that?dayum that is damn expensive.Do you board?do you work part time?Full time student at Baylor University in Waco Texas, its actually the cheapest private school in the country.
wow,thats great,i am at Howard University in Washington DC,this is my last year and then i graduate.My major is information security my field is Networking,my second filed is information security.What is your major?

[Truthsayer]

i dunno, i shouldnt have pointed at truthsayer, but there are definately Multiple accounts on this site...

ooooohhh....universal is still an ignoramus. Ugly bitches are more interseting than his posts.

I guess you date ugly bitches. Or are you one?

Universal, tone it down.



This thread has really gone straight to hell.

I wish Argyll was here to clear things up. :|

[usa320]

I guess you date ugly bitches. Or are you one?

thats it, shut the **** up you idiot...

You serve no purpose here but to troll and flame- get the hell out.

Insulting me is one thing, chanting anti-american horse**** is one thing, but calling my girlfriend an ugly bitch is another...

:fork:

[Red]

I guess you date ugly bitches. Or are you one?

thats it, shut the f*** up you idiot...

You serve no purpose here but to troll and flame- get the hell out.

Insulting me is one thing, chanting anti-american horse**** is one thing, but calling my girlfriend an ugly bitch is another...

:fork:
rofl rofl rofl

[AOCBravo2004]

I voted for President Bush, and I will vote for President Bush again, I think he is doing a better job then Al Gore would have done, and will do a better job then Senator John Kerry would do. As for the economy, I am guessing people are saying the collapse of Enron, Worldcom, and the resulting loss of jobs are Bush's fault. Hate to break it to you Bush haters/Clinton lovers, but these companies were skimming the books LONG before Bush came into office, time just caught up to them and they happened to collapse at the time they did. Jobs have been going overseas long before Bush came into office, and sadly they will continue to go overseas, and the President can NOT force coporations to stop the practice.

Personally, I feel that Operation Iraqi Freedom was the right war at the wrong time. We should have stayed in Afghanistan til bin Laden was neutralized then moved on to Iraq.

Now Operation Desert Storm only has a cease fire correct? Now I believe that under UN Resolution 1441 and Iraq's continued firing on US/UK planes over the Northern and Southern No-Fly Zone's thus violating the Cease Fire Agreement the US and the Coalition of the Willing was justified in toppling Saddam Hussein. Oh, have we also forgotten that the Clinton Administration drafted the policy to topple in the late 1990's???

Unfortunately the US, being the world's only super power, is damned if they do, and damned if they don't.

George

[SeanAshi]

Business Adminstration, Accounting I'm thinking about applying to Officer Candidate School after graduation, I would love to be a pilot.

[Red]

Business Adminstration, Accounting I'm thinking about applying to Officer Candidate School after graduation, I would love to be a pilot.
cool,i am also in the business school of my university.Hey i am taking an accounting exam on friday and i am kinda rusty.The topic is accounting for long term assests.the second one is going to be on depreciation.After i graduate,i hope to work for the government in the intelligence field.

[Universal]

I guess you date ugly bitches. Or are you one?

thats it, shut the f*** up you idiot...

You serve no purpose here but to troll and flame- get the hell out.

Insulting me is one thing, chanting anti-american horse**** is one thing, but calling my girlfriend an ugly bitch is another...

:fork:

k, didn't mean to, won't happen again. Just to let you know, you're the one who strated the ugly bitch comment, you built your own trap.

[Universal]

I guess you date ugly bitches. Or are you one?

thats it, shut the f*** up you idiot...

You serve no purpose here but to troll and flame- get the hell out.

Insulting me is one thing, chanting anti-american horse**** is one thing, but calling my girlfriend an ugly bitch is another...

:fork:

not "anti-american", but "anti-american government and anyone who supports it."

but as far as america is concerned, I love this country, I visit there all the time, I only take my vacation in the states.

[SeanAshi]

After i graduate,i hope to work for the government in the intelligence field.Thats why I choose busines and accounting I always wanted to be Federal Agent, DEA FBI etc. etc.

[Red]

After i graduate,i hope to work for the government in the intelligence field.Thats why I choose busines and accounting I always wanted to be Federal Agent, DEA FBI etc. etc.
cool,the NSA,CIA,DoD,FBI,and DoE have been heavily recruting on our campus,i actually talked to some NSA guys and i have to say those guys are very good but my eyes is more on the CIA,during this summer i hope to get language training in arabic as the language i learnt is useless to them i.e French

[Aussie E]

Universal, there are alot of Americans that support their government and have simaler views with you, It's a broad statement saying your anti everyone that supports the government.

[FallenAngel]

I know very well how how the american system works, both juridicial and political. Do you know how any european system works?

Btw, you are still incorrect - since you somehow try to tell me that I don't know how he is representing your country according to US (non-us-citicens) by refering to the political system. That is pure nonsence.

By our logic you know better how others feel by the US or how others feel about your president and his PR-value to your country then the once that are affected - wonderfull.


(Btw, incase you aren't able to read english properly, take note what I said about the kings and queens in Europe - they don't have any power _at all_ in most countries, and are still considered 'PR-officers' for their respective countries - how strange huh?)

I understand that the President has significant PR value, hell, that's almost his job in a nut-shell. However, when people spew ignorant crap like "I hate Bush" or something to that effect, it shows their ignorace. Generally speaking, most people in foreign countries who make such judgements don't know the details of the American political system and believe the President is the one who decides when we go to war and with whom. They hold the President personally responsible for the actions and decisions of literally hundreds if not thousands of people who (supposedly) represent ~300 million people from across the political spectrum. The true blame should be on them (senators, congressment, chief justices, agency heads, department heads, et. al.) and not so much the president as an individual.

For example, the King of (insert-random-European country here) is a Asshole with a capital A. Does that mean that the country's government is wrong? ineffective? corrupt? racist? etc. Of course not. By the same manner people should cut the President a little slack. Does he represent the country? Yes. Should he be held solely responsible for it? No.

[usa320]

during this summer i hope to get language training in arabic as the language i learnt is useless to them i.e French

Take spanish. Its easier and the CIA likes it just as much as arabic.

[Truthsayer]

FallenAngel>> Granted, and I just want to take the time here to say that I have never done that either. =)

[Red]

during this summer i hope to get language training in arabic as the language i learnt is useless to them i.e French

Take spanish. Its easier and the CIA likes it just as much as arabic.
spanish is kinda hard i have a bit of history with arabic

[obd]

I watched the speech today as well. If you look at the transcript and take out all the uh's and ah's and unnatural pauses its still not good but it isnt terrible.... The problem is that Bush just sounds like a 4th grade child in front of the microphone. He is a terrible, no the worst, public speaker in US presidential history. (Nixon and Reagan come in second and third).

Notice he called both Rumsfeld and Powel "secretary of state"

not to mention he outright avoided and didnt answer half the questions thrown at him and he had to ask for a repeat of even a two part question!!!!! He cant even anser a two part question without asking for them to repeat it..... JEEZUS

And he didnt respond very well to the question of why he demanded that VP Cheney be with him to help him in the hearings over 9/11.....he sounded like he was too frightened to do it by himself as the committee requested. His only respnse was "to better serve the committie". BULL****!!! The Committee itself REQUESTED he be seperated form Cheney.....oh well.....

Its almost like his own party doesnt trust him to be by himself.... Its really a bit embarrassing to me as an American that he is my leader........sorry to say it but it must be said......

Overall I give his performance a "D-". He gets past the F mark just for showing up and not calling in sick.........

Also it seems like every time there is something important in the news I hear "President Bush could not be reached because he was relaxing at his ranch in Texas"..... The way I see it, Bush is just the "innocent religious idiot" talking to Americans with simplistic analogies and phrases while the real people like Cheney, Wolfowits, Rice, Rumsfeld, Powell, etc run the damn country........

[Soulhunter]

Seriously, is Bush on medication? This long pauses and stares after certain questions don't seem very normal ... or is it just that he can't handle the pressure of a press conference without **** or Karl telling him what to say?

[Kilgor]

I guess you date ugly bitches. Or are you one?

thats it, shut the f*** up you idiot...

You serve no purpose here but to troll and flame- get the hell out.

Insulting me is one thing, chanting anti-american horse**** is one thing, but calling my girlfriend an ugly bitch is another...

:fork:

not "anti-american", but "anti-american government and anyone who supports it."

but as far as america is concerned, I love this country, I visit there all the time, I only take my vacation in the states.

Everytime ive heard someone who is anti american get pressed really hard about the issue they always say "oh.. i dont hate the people, just the government"

Another person just added to that long long list.

[Soulhunter]

so, how do you call someone who supports the view of US democrats but who's against the current US administration?

since he's not, like you think, against the US in general, he's just against the ideas and actions of the current administration.

so he's a 50% anti-american?

[Sergei]

And what exactly is "the work" to which Bush is referring?

Is it kill more Iraqis until they're all dead?

Kill more Iraqis until the ones left start singing the Star Spangled Banner with big smiles on their faces?

Destroy Fallujah completely?

What IS the plan, GEORGE?

[aeternum]

I watched the speech today as well. If you look at the transcript and take out all the uh's and ah's and unnatural pauses its still not good but it isnt terrible.... The problem is that Bush just sounds like a 4th grade child in front of the microphone. He is a terrible, no the worst, public speaker in US presidential history. (Nixon and Reagan come in second and third).

Notice he called both Rumsfeld and Powel "secretary of state"

not to mention he outright avoided and didnt answer half the questions thrown at him and he had to ask for a repeat of even a two part question!!!!! He cant even anser a two part question without asking for them to repeat it..... JEEZUS

And he didnt respond very well to the question of why he demanded that VP Cheney be with him to help him in the hearings over 9/11.....he sounded like he was too frightened to do it by himself as the committee requested. His only respnse was "to better serve the committie". BULL****!!! The Committee itself REQUESTED he be seperated form Cheney.....oh well.....

Its almost like his own party doesnt trust him to be by himself.... Its really a bit embarrassing to me as an American that he is my leader........sorry to say it but it must be said......

Overall I give his performance a "D-". He gets past the F mark just for showing up and not calling in sick.........

Also it seems like every time there is something important in the news I hear "President Bush could not be reached because he was relaxing at his ranch in Texas"..... The way I see it, Bush is just the "innocent religious idiot" talking to Americans with simplistic analogies and phrases while the real people like Cheney, Wolfowits, Rice, Rumsfeld, Powell, etc run the damn country........

Very good post! You pretty much hit the nail on the head.

[Royal]

I watched the speech today as well. If you look at the transcript and take out all the uh's and ah's and unnatural pauses its still not good but it isnt terrible.... The problem is that Bush just sounds like a 4th grade child in front of the microphone. He is a terrible, no the worst, public speaker in US presidential history. (Nixon and Reagan come in second and third).

Notice he called both Rumsfeld and Powel "secretary of state"

not to mention he outright avoided and didnt answer half the questions thrown at him and he had to ask for a repeat of even a two part question!!!!! He cant even anser a two part question without asking for them to repeat it..... JEEZUS

And he didnt respond very well to the question of why he demanded that VP Cheney be with him to help him in the hearings over 9/11.....he sounded like he was too frightened to do it by himself as the committee requested. His only respnse was "to better serve the committie". BULL****!!! The Committee itself REQUESTED he be seperated form Cheney.....oh well.....

Its almost like his own party doesnt trust him to be by himself.... Its really a bit embarrassing to me as an American that he is my leader........sorry to say it but it must be said......

Overall I give his performance a "D-". He gets past the F mark just for showing up and not calling in sick.........

Also it seems like every time there is something important in the news I hear "President Bush could not be reached because he was relaxing at his ranch in Texas"..... The way I see it, Bush is just the "innocent religious idiot" talking to Americans with simplistic analogies and phrases while the real people like Cheney, Wolfowits, Rice, Rumsfeld, Powell, etc run the damn country........

She-it, I agree with obd.

Aaaaaaaaagh

[budanski]

And what exactly is "the work" to which Putin is referring?

Is it kill more Chechens until they're all dead?

Kill more Chechens until the ones left start singing to the Motherland with big smiles on their faces?

Destroy Grozny completely?

What IS the plan, Pootie?

[budanski]

I watched the speech today as well. If you look at the transcript and take out all the uh's and ah's and unnatural pauses its still not good but it isnt terrible.... The problem is that Bush just sounds like a 4th grade child in front of the microphone. He is a terrible, no the worst, public speaker in US presidential history. (Nixon and Reagan come in second and third).

Notice he called both Rumsfeld and Powel "secretary of state"

not to mention he outright avoided and didnt answer half the questions thrown at him and he had to ask for a repeat of even a two part question!!!!! He cant even anser a two part question without asking for them to repeat it..... JEEZUS

And he didnt respond very well to the question of why he demanded that VP Cheney be with him to help him in the hearings over 9/11.....he sounded like he was too frightened to do it by himself as the committee requested. His only respnse was "to better serve the committie". BULL****!!! The Committee itself REQUESTED he be seperated form Cheney.....oh well.....

Its almost like his own party doesnt trust him to be by himself.... Its really a bit embarrassing to me as an American that he is my leader........sorry to say it but it must be said......

Overall I give his performance a "D-". He gets past the F mark just for showing up and not calling in sick.........

Also it seems like every time there is something important in the news I hear "President Bush could not be reached because he was relaxing at his ranch in Texas"..... The way I see it, Bush is just the "innocent religious idiot" talking to Americans with simplistic analogies and phrases while the real people like Cheney, Wolfowits, Rice, Rumsfeld, Powell, etc run the damn country........

Very good post! You pretty much hit the nail on the head.



I watched the speech today as well. If you look at the transcript and take out all the uh's and ah's and unnatural pauses its still not good but it isnt terrible.... The problem is that Bush just sounds like a 4th grade child in front of the microphone. He is a terrible, no the worst, public speaker in US presidential history. (Nixon and Reagan come in second and third).

Notice he called both Rumsfeld and Powel "secretary of state"

not to mention he outright avoided and didnt answer half the questions thrown at him and he had to ask for a repeat of even a two part question!!!!! He cant even anser a two part question without asking for them to repeat it..... JEEZUS

And he didnt respond very well to the question of why he demanded that VP Cheney be with him to help him in the hearings over 9/11.....he sounded like he was too frightened to do it by himself as the committee requested. His only respnse was "to better serve the committie". BULL****!!! The Committee itself REQUESTED he be seperated form Cheney.....oh well.....

Its almost like his own party doesnt trust him to be by himself.... Its really a bit embarrassing to me as an American that he is my leader........sorry to say it but it must be said......

Overall I give his performance a "D-". He gets past the F mark just for showing up and not calling in sick.........

Also it seems like every time there is something important in the news I hear "President Bush could not be reached because he was relaxing at his ranch in Texas"..... The way I see it, Bush is just the "innocent religious idiot" talking to Americans with simplistic analogies and phrases while the real people like Cheney, Wolfowits, Rice, Rumsfeld, Powell, etc run the damn country........

She-it, I agree with obd.

Aaaaaaaaagh

Just shocking. This coming from a bunch of Euro-PEONS.

[Sergei]

And what exactly is "the work" to which Putin is referring?

Is it kill more Chechens until they're all dead?

Kill more Chechens until the ones left start singing to the Motherland with big smiles on their faces?

Destroy Grozny completely?

What IS the plan, Pootie?

Ha-ha, very entertaining. Not bad for a Texas policeman.

[WolverineBlue]

Bush's speech was easily the worst I've ever seen by an American president. Actually, his 17-minute speech wasn't bad, but the Q&A was absolutely horrid. He didn't answer a single question directly, as usual. He seemed completely unprepared for the line of questioning on 9/11 and the commission -- usually his handlers have already pre-screened the questions so he has a fighting chance.

Let's face it -- the guy is a puppet for the Cheney/Rumsfeld/Rove/RNC power-base, and so he is not the one devising any original ideas. Thus, he cannot, as evidenced in the handling of a lot of questions, defend coherently any of the policies he's implemented. The exception is that he is sure (and so am I) that terrorists are evil and America is good, which are concepts he hammered into the ground last night.

I think Bush is better than Gore at this point in time, but man, Bush will lose the upcoming election on his own merits if he and the administration don't get their acts together in terms of communicating an understandable strategy for Iraq. Kerry will tear Bush apart in the debates (if Bush has the balls to participate in more than one).

It's too bad that Bush can't tell us Americans and the world why we really invaded Iraq:

1) To show the Arab street that you cannot f*** with the USA
2) To have a new base (and better base) to influence Saudi Arabia, Iran, Syria, et al.
3) To draw terrorists into battle, outside of the US, so we can eliminate them.

God bless the president, and God bless the USA.

[Soulhunter]

obd: good analysis, you hit the spot.

[Soulhunter]

Kerry will tear Bush apart in the debates (if Bush has the balls to participate in more than one).

I'm really curious how these debates will go ... Bush indeed needs to be better prepared then, try to focus, answer directly for once, and, of course, take less medication so he's not as confused like at times yesterday!

[Universal]

I guess you date ugly bitches. Or are you one?

thats it, shut the f*** up you idiot...

You serve no purpose here but to troll and flame- get the hell out.

Insulting me is one thing, chanting anti-american horse**** is one thing, but calling my girlfriend an ugly bitch is another...

:fork:

not "anti-american", but "anti-american government and anyone who supports it."

but as far as america is concerned, I love this country, I visit there all the time, I only take my vacation in the states.

Everytime ive heard someone who is anti american get pressed really hard about the issue they always say "oh.. i dont hate the people, just the government"

Another person just added to that long long list.


so you're saying I hate american people?? very good "kilgor" :roll: you found he truth about me! :roll:

[Universal]

Universal, there are alot of Americans that support their government and have simaler views with you, It's a broad statement saying your anti everyone that supports the government.

last time I checked, only 56% of the population would vote for bush again.

[Truthsayer]

With the same logic I would hate all Swedes (and myself!) since I don't agree with the party in power at all. :|

I guess I'm f0cked.

[Soulhunter]

Not everyone in here knows what logic is.

[obd]

Wow, Im suddenly feeling all warm and fuzzy inside at all the support from you guys......funny how I have the unmistakable feeling that Im in bed with the enemies of America on this one however..........

Still, I think Bush has done more to damage the prestige and standing of America than any European........but I also cant shake the feeling that this is the very thing the European's have waited for, the very opportunity to bellittle America and bloody our noses a bit..........

I cant shake the feeling that Europe is not the good freind of America that we (Americans) ounce thought....they will turn around and bite us in the ass like a poorly trained dog when they see the chance.......which makes me very untrusting of Europe.......I seriously doubt Europe would come to our aid and risk it all to help us if we ever faced a dire situation...

Even with Europe's committments to A-stan, they are still very very small ones and I think Europe is hoping America expends all its wealth and power in A-stan and Iraq so that we will be weakened.............In this sense I see Europe as an enemy or sorts, or at least as the kind of freind you keep close when times are good but at arms length when times are bad........a "fair weather freind" as they say...

But again, thanks all heheheh.....peace and goodwill to all...

[Soulhunter]

obd, no, now you're paranoid.

Europe, in general, isn't anti-american, but anti-Bush. Europeans don't trust his agenda, his 'mission from God', the neocons etc.

That has been said often, but it seems like that subtle difference between anti-americanism and anti-neoconism isn't really understood on this board (and the US in general?).

IF Europe wants to weaken the US or if Europe is quietly watching the US taking a bloody nose it's because of Bush and his hawks. Their arrogant, self-righteous, missionary attitude has cost the US much sympathy and respect.

That's why the general attitude in Europe (and in much of the rest of the world) is: They wanted that war, so let them look how they'll clean up this mess now. They didn't want to listen to our advice, so be it.

Which does NOT mean that we gloat in each and every death of US soldiers. They mostly are kids sent on a mission they don't really understand. They too are victims of Bush's war.

[ForceReaper]

Holy **** this guy is an idiot! :cantbeli:
Can't believe the US is being run by this guy. I pitty you americans, you need to change your government.Who the F**K are you and what makes you think we give a s**t about what you think. You are an insignificant POS and probably from that s**thole called europe. Worry about your politics and we will keep doing what we HAVE to do for our nations security not yours ahole! I cant wait till you are getting buttfu**ed by your boyfriend and the terrorists hit your sorry country,guess who your politicians will come screaming for help like the little homos that you are. I hate you!!!!!

[Soulhunter]

now that's an intelligent posting!

[Aussie E]

from www.theaustrlain.news.com.au


DAD probably told him there would be days like these. Just as President George W. Bush was taking a political beating over what his Government could have done to stop the September 11 attacks, Iraq erupted into the worse violence since last year's war. Mr Bush responded yesterday with a speech in which he did not waver from the course he has charted from the start. He justified the war to remove Saddam Hussein as a warmonger with form in using weapons of mass destruction. And he promised that the US would hand over power to an Iraqi government on June 30 with elections to follow for a national assembly to follow next January. "A free Iraq is vital because 25 million Iraqis have as much right to live in freedom as we do."

[Soulhunter]

and will they have the freedom to kick the US out if they want to? or will the occupation troops stay no matter what? the Iraqis are allowed to act freely as long as it's in the US' interest. So much for real freedom ...

[usa320]

Who the F**K are you and what makes you think we give a s**t about what you think

exactly my feelings.


and will they have the freedom to kick the US out if they want to? or will the occupation troops stay no matter what? the Iraqis are allowed to act freely as long as it's in the US' interest. So much for real freedom

First off, the 95% of Iraqis have FAR more freedom now then when Saddam was in charge. These anti-american protests wouldnt even be allowed under saddam. nor would the newspapers, or TV. Or the religious festivals. None of it would be allowed.

And i think the president made our goals and timeline very clear. We will stay until the insurgents have been pacified, at which point, or even before then, control over the countries domestic affairs will be turned over to the Iraq Governing Council. Once that occurs, the insurgents are disarmed and the New Iraqi Army is trained, the number of US troops in country will drastically be reduced, leaving only a small security and engineering force to ensure that the country remains secure and to rebuild the war torn country. To quote bush:


"We will stay until the job is complete, and not one day longer"

My guess is we will probably have large contingent in country until 2006, with a small contingent of Engineers, security, CT and training personel remaining in country until 2008. But no one can accurately give anything more the a guess. it all depends on how well the Iraqis can take government and army into their own hands.

[budanski]

IMHO, Bush did fine last night. He didnt give what the press wanted which was giving John Kerry's campaign soundbites of admiting responsibilities to 9/11. Who here honestly thinks that the press is actually on his side.

Obd, your assessment of Reagan as one of the worst public speaker contradicts what Reagon was called. "The Great Communicator" ring a bell?

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

I cant shake the feeling that Europe is not the good freind of America that we (Americans) ounce thought....
We seem to be willing to fight and die alongside you is that not enough?


they will turn around and bite us in the ass like a poorly trained dog when they see the chance.......which makes me very untrusting of Europe.......
Not so much a poorly trained dog just one that like to think for itself sometimes. We aint no f*cking poodle.


Even with Europe's committments to A-stan, they are still very very small ones and I think Europe is hoping America expends all its wealth and power in A-stan and Iraq so that we will be weakened.............In this sense I see Europe as an enemy or sorts, or at least as the kind of freind you keep close when times are good but at arms length when times are bad........a "fair weather freind" as they say...
Huh :roll: :bash:

[Ichhabe]

Obd, your assessment of Reagan as one of the worst public speaker contradicts what Reagon was called. "The Great Communicator" ring a bell?

Can't say that I was so happy about Ronald Reagan when he was President. He had some "mistakes", but who's perfect. But afterwards when he retired, I learned him in new ways. Not that I didn't knew what he had done earlier, but when the heat was off I could see him in a new light. There is no doubt that he was a great states man, and will go in to history as on of the best Presidents that the USA as ever had.

And to see how he's reduced today due to his Alzheimer is truly sad. I wished that he could have had many healthy years and really enjoyed his resting days. He so did earn it.

[Ichhabe]

I cant shake the feeling that Europe is not the good freind of America that we (Americans) ounce thought....
We seem to be willing to fight and die alongside you is that not enough?


they will turn around and bite us in the ass like a poorly trained dog when they see the chance.......which makes me very untrusting of Europe.......
Not so much a poorly trained dog just one that like to think for itself sometimes. We aint no f*cking poodle.


Even with Europe's committments to A-stan, they are still very very small ones and I think Europe is hoping America expends all its wealth and power in A-stan and Iraq so that we will be weakened.............In this sense I see Europe as an enemy or sorts, or at least as the kind of freind you keep close when times are good but at arms length when times are bad........a "fair weather freind" as they say...
Huh :roll: :bash:

I don't even wanna try to comment that crazy talk. He obviously runned away from the Funny Farm and no longer is subdued to medication.

[cut]

on now... comment will be posted later

Post spammer. :D

8 pages later how wrong could you be? :P

[obd]

Hehe, you may call me what you wish, but still. I feel that my motives for disliking Bush may be different from certian European's motives...... To clarify, my dislike of Bush is based on my patriotism. I see Bush as taking my nation down a dangerous path...I dont like his foreign policy approach nor do I like his domestic policy.... I think he has proven himself a threat to our constitution, our international prestige, has helped wreck the economy and reverse the good of the Clinton years, he has reversed internaitonal and domestic environmental protection, he has reduced the protection of privacy Americans used to have, he has attempted even to bipass due process of law towards American citizens suspected of "terrorist" activities, under his rule the government beaurocracy has bloated to a level never before seen in the nations history (something Republicans used to be against) and his tax cuts mean nothing, especially after gas prices doubled........only that the nation is more in debt then it has ever been in its history.........

I must say though that although I didnt support the starting of war with Iraq, for strategic reasons, now that we are there I support our goals and our troops..........and the good that has been done such as arresting the tyrant Saddam Hussein.....

What I was trying to say is that, at least for a large minority of Europeans, I fear that thier anti- Bush stance is more than just that, it is instead indicative of a wider anti-Americanism..... I am not just throwing this out. I read local French, German, Spanish, and Italian papers that I get off the net and translate... Sometime I go to the foreign language department at my University for help in that and other times I use programs.... I even have paid memberships.....

Many European newspapers, especially French, are EXTREMELY anti-American and very combative and aggresive with regards to how they suggest to oppose the US. Example is using language such as "we must fight the threat of American influence around the world" and such........

What worries me is that the "anti-Bush" stance of many Europeans may be a manisfestation of a deeper anti-Americanism........

I will watch very very closely how Europe reacts towards America and John Kerry if he is elected..... Only then will I come to any conclusions.... I wasnt trying to make a statement of fact, just expressing a general unease many Americans are feeling these days about Europe... We are not quite sure of Europes motives in this regard......especially France and Germany whose leaders have publicly asserted that they see themselves as counters to US influence and American world view.....in essence they seek to oppose our goals and set thier own agendas.......and have made no secret that they seek to derail out efforts, even contradicting themselves from time to time with "America must succeed in Iraq because it is in the worlds interest"= yeah maybe so, but France wants to see us bleed out in the process............or so it seems at times......

No I am not a radical and its interesting that some of you Europeans respond to what I said with "he must have escaped the funny farm" or whatever....... What that shows me is that you Europeans lack an understanding that many Americans feel that you have overplayed your hand so to speak and gone too far in sidetracking and undermining US efforts in Iraq to a dangerous level.........this goes especially to France and Germany.........

Again though, this is just a feeling in the back of many Americans minds. A general unease that has not really manifested itself as anti-Europeanism as of yet.....Again, I will watch with great interest how Europe restructures its relationship with American when, hopefully, John Kerry becomes president............

[usa320]

Seriously, is Bush on medication

Intersting quesiton.

On a serious note, im starting to wonder if he is well.

He looked very old last night, surely from the stress of the job. I would have grey hair to if i had to put up with so much ****.

But the job must be really putting a heavy burden on his health id imagine. He used to look alot younger, but since 9-11, he looks older and more tired everytime he speeks.

Still not to the droopiness level of john kerry though.

[chauncy republicans]

To clarify, my dislike of Bush is based on my patriotism.
I was under the impression I was the only one who felt like this.
Nice post my fellow Patriot! :D

[big_les]

Holy **** this guy is an idiot! :cantbeli:
Can't believe the US is being run by this guy. I pitty you americans, you need to change your government.Who the F**K are you and what makes you think we give a s**t about what you think. You are an insignificant POS and probably from that s**thole called europe. Worry about your politics and we will keep doing what we HAVE to do for our nations security not yours ahole! I cant wait till you are getting buttfu**ed by your boyfriend and the terrorists hit your sorry country,guess who your politicians will come screaming for help like the little homos that you are. I hate you!!!!!

OK, sweepstake time. You can have;

a) 12 years old
b) 14 years old
c) Older

Seriously, why do you react like this? Way to alienate anyone who might agree with your mature world-view.

[Sergeant]

I just wanted to say few things.

First of all, it doesn't really matter on the international field if he is dyslexic or has other problems with public speaking. The fact is, he is not percieved as a good public speaker. If you place no value on this, how the president is percieved in other countries and how he is viewed.. well I just think that might be little short sighted. Now, Bush isn't horrible speaker, but he is not very good either and what matters to the rest of the world is how we see it, not what the facts are. No one here cares if the person has problems and has gone through a lot in his life and is now a winner. It might be difficult for some people to truly understand, but make no mistake, it has certain value and that value has direct effect on how the rest of the world citizens see him, and the ignorant ones would stereotype the whole country based on that. It's stupid, but that's how it goes.

Furthermore, every kind of remarks about Europe is not seen very nice if it's like few of the posts here. You don't retaliate to critisism, no matter how stupid it is, with bashing back. Then you are just lowering yourself to that same level and it really doesn't matter who started it. It's the internet my friends and most of us too have freedom of speech in our countries. If you don't like that some non-americans talk bad about Bush, that's too bad, but it helps if you can intelligently counter those claims without passion. You can hide it and call it Patriotism, loving your country and supporting the troops, but what it really is.. is just unability to counter those claims. You make the other guy look bad for bashing, not yourself, that's how you win, and if you love your country, that's how you make your fellow citizens look better for all the rest of us.

And for the record, I don't live in a ****hole and if you have something against me because I'm European, then you are a racist and bigot. If you do not realize the variety of Europe and that there are actually many countries in it, that differ from each other like day and night, then that's something to look into and read about. And don't forget, we are your friends. Sending troops or not, we still are and friends can and should critisize each other, but in proper manners because bashing leads nowhere..

Sure there's some anti-americanism in Europe and everywhere else too. But don't think you are some kind of special breed that is hated because everyone is allegedly jealous. We are hated too. My country is hated somewhere. I've been harrased in other countries just because I was a tourist. Jerks and bigots are everywhere. Who cares?! Do not fall into the same trap of paranoid thinking, because it is not true. Especially now, when terrorism is on the rise, we should remember who our friends are. Never forget it. It's very important. We will only see the value of our friendship if it's gone and then it's late. Terrorists will be creaming their pants at that point. Even they couldn't have expected jackpot like that. West must be united and stand strong through the little arguments and petty little things. Like a good marriage.

And this goes for all, not just Americans, but everyone equally. **** just gets escalated out of proportions these days with internet and keyboard warriors lose their tempers, stereotyping is wild and everyone just gets offended and 99% of those are for no good reason too.

To sum it up, we are friends, and we have the same goals and we want the same things. We think differently and come from different cultures and histories, and 99% of arguments are basically just misunderstanding the other one. I travel a lot to the US and Europe as well. It kills me to see guys bashing each other when I see there's no reason for it, they just misunderstood each other.

That's it.

[WolverineBlue]

Hurrah for Sergeant -- voice of reason. Thanks!

:D

If we Americans had a command of another language like Sergeant does (and most other posters on this board), then we would probably be better off. I can barely remember my French and Russian, I hate to say, since my sorry ass hasn't been to Europe for about 10 years.

As for Bush, it is patriotic to criticize him -- I care about our country, our national security, our economy and our Constitution, not about some stupid political party. These are tough times now, and so some things (e.g., national security) become more important, as hard as that is for me to swallow. Bush is going to lose the election because he seems like he and the administration are hiding something.

[Sergeant]

Oops almost forgot - I support Bush :bash:

[sinfonía de seis armas]

Universal what do you hate about what he has done to America? I've lived here for the past ten+ years and in my opion (and that's all it is, MY OPION) life under his presidency has been no worse than life under the previous president. I have been affected by the 9/11 events, but he had no control of a bunch of fanantic damaging our country and economy, and in the years since everything he has done has been for the good of the country and it's people. He had to make some tough decision and thank god he had balls to the make though decisions.Do you live in America? Have you spent alot of time over here before and during his presidency?

Imagine a world were corporations choose leaders, put them in power, and have them rewrite laws to increase profit. Imagine a world were corporations start wars, to create and increase their man further products. Imagine a world were the news media, owned by these corporations, only tells the public what they want them to know. Imagine the president who sells out his people and their environment to boost the wealth of a few. Unbelievable? It should be.


I didn't write this, but I like it. What do you think?


This person must be a subscriber to The Daily Worker as he has a marxist view of the world.

[sinfonía de seis armas]

First it was saddam "we don't feel safe with saddam around" so he's out. Still not feeling safe? saddam was in power since the 60's, how many times has he tried to attack the US?

Saddam was supporting terrorists that have attacked Americans overseas. A case in point is Abu Abbas, who was captured in Baghdad.

[sinfonía de seis armas]

obd, no, now you're paranoid.

Europe, in general, isn't anti-american, but anti-Bush. Europeans don't trust his agenda, his 'mission from God', the neocons etc.

That has been said often, but it seems like that subtle difference between anti-americanism and anti-neoconism isn't really understood on this board (and the US in general?).

IF Europe wants to weaken the US or if Europe is quietly watching the US taking a bloody nose it's because of Bush and his hawks. Their arrogant, self-righteous, missionary attitude has cost the US much sympathy and respect.

That's why the general attitude in Europe (and in much of the rest of the world) is: They wanted that war, so let them look how they'll clean up this mess now. They didn't want to listen to our advice, so be it.

Which does NOT mean that we gloat in each and every death of US soldiers. They mostly are kids sent on a mission they don't really understand. They too are victims of Bush's war.

There have been European leftists that have been gloating over the deaths of American GI's right here on this forum. One commie POS from Finland was gloating over the recent deaths and mutilations of the four Americans in Fallujah.

Much of the advise coming from Europe has been bad advise. The governments in Europe suppported Saddam Hussien for the oil. It is why the French built a nuclear power plant in Iraq. It is why German chemical companies supplies Saddam's regime with everything they needed to make the chemical weapons that were used to gas many thousands of Kurds.

Another factor is the many Leftists in socialist Europe. They loath the USA for having fought and won the Cold War for capitalism.

[chauncy republicans]

"he cost" far less lives than a terrorist attack with a nuclear or biological weapon would have.


What do you think?

I think your a god damn moron who needs to pull his head out of his ass...

I also think you are the same idiot as truthsayer...again i think the mods need to do IP crosschecks.

As for the speech, i think he did a great job. its not his grammer or speaking abilities that you people should be scrutinizing. Its the message. The message was that as the worlds most powerful country, it is our duty to humanity to ensure that freedom and liberty are protected. And that we will see it through. And amen to that. On 9-11 Bush said we will not tire, we will not falter, and we will not fail. We havent. And we wont.
ROFLMAO You believe that garbage!? :cantbeli: Hahahaha You sure are a bright one USA320. rofl

[sinfonía de seis armas]

Chauncy,

What? Your not dead yet? Damn that sucks. Ah well, I will keep hoping that you get killed soon.

[Red]

i agree with you but why dont you share your enlightenment with other forum posters from Europe who seem to have a myopic view of things.

[chauncy republicans]

Chauncy,

What? Your not dead yet? Damn that sucks. Ah well, I will keep hoping that you get killed soon.
T.Y my friend. I will pray for you as well. :hug:

[Elmo]

Another factor is the many Leftists in socialist Europe. They loath the USA for having fought and won the Cold War for capitalism.

Yes Sixgun, everything bad originates from Europe. Just think about it, two most destructive ideologies of mankind were born in continental Europe. Communism and Fascism. While the US was basking in the light of democracy, dictators rampaged throughout Europe. Luckily USA came to rescue but still those rats turn their backs at you when you want to spread the gospel of Democracy and Freedom in places where no civilized man has gone before.

[SeanAshi]

http://www.dallasdancemusic.com/photos/data/500/8605smut20010706.gifUniversal?

[chauncy republicans]

lol That is sick!

[Universal]

http://www.dallasdancemusic.com/photos/data/500/8605smut20010706.gifUniversal?

SeanAshi, you're in the wrong place. The "post your pic" thread is in the off topic forums. :D BTW, dude, ur ugly... sorry, had to say it. ;)

[SeanAshi]

dude, ur ugly... sorry, had to say itI can live with it if you can. :P

[Universal]

dude, ur ugly... sorry, had to say itI can live with it if you can. :P

hey, I'm used to this. ;)

[American Patriot]

haha that looks exactly like Universal! That is uncanny!

[Universal]

haha that looks exactly like Universal! That is uncanny!

That's right pothead, and you look like my **** :P , so I'm a piece of **** that ****s which looks like you. So you are the ****s' ****. :hug:

[usa320]

ROFLMAO You believe that garbage!?

Look i know people who died fighting for that garbage. In many wars. You know, that garbage called Freedom and liberty and democracy.


My grandfather spent 5 years of his life fighting for that "garbage" for ungrateful pricks like you, so shut up.

Lock this thread. Between that picture with the **** and universal's rediculousness, im disgusted.

[SeanAshi]

sorry I was just thinking of Richard Gear.....well I couldn't find one with a rat crawling up his ass..... :lol:

[Universal]

ROFLMAO You believe that garbage!?

Look i know people who died fighting for that garbage. In many wars. You know, that garbage called Freedom and liberty and democracy.


My grandfather spent 5 years of his life fighting for that "garbage" for ungrateful pricks like you, so shut up.

Lock this thread. Between that picture with the **** and universal's rediculousness, im disgusted.

Why do you find me so objective dude? I've told you how much I love and support the states, the people, the troops, yet you seem to ignore all of that and just focus on the negatives that I say, which is directed towards your government only. They are brainwashing you guys, you know how TV commercials, magazine adds, and everything else in a "free" country use specific words to get your attention and make you believe what they want you to believe? Your government is using that same concept on its people. It has been for many years, and not just in the US. You guys believe that the US is always 100% right about everything they say and do. That's not true, this is war, its a big misunderstanding, no one is 100% loyal. Yes I agree with you guys, the muslim extremists are violent, and don't value life, but that's not all we should focus on, because thats what every thread on these forums seems to be about. I love these forums, even though you guys bash me all the time, I try to make the best of it and keep coming back to hear for you. If I ever say something that pissed you off, good, I'm glad I did, cause you probably said something I didn't like.

[obd]

SeanAshi that was nasty dude. I really didnt need that image but I admit that I actually waited around to see what the hell was goona happen.....call it morbid curuisity.... Jeez I have seen some pretty graphic **** of mutilated bodies, especially the link of Yassin's mangled body, but your little animation was by far the most disturbing......good job man...

[chauncy republicans]

ROFLMAO You believe that garbage!?

Look i know people who died fighting for that garbage. In many wars. You know, that garbage called Freedom and liberty and democracy.


My grandfather spent 5 years of his life fighting for that "garbage" for ungrateful pricks like you, so shut up.

Lock this thread. Between that picture with the **** and universal's rediculousness, im disgusted.
Like I said before, you are a bright one USA320. :cantbeli:

[Trigger]

Nice one chumpchange.

Once again you mock someone else's intelligence while at the same time demonstrating a complete lack of the same.

Why are you here?

Do you hope to somehow sway the opinion of people who aren't brainwashed like you?

Do you have anything of MILITARY signifcance to contribute to these forums?

You really need to troll elsewhere.

[Universal]

Nice one chumpchange.

Once again you mock someone else's intelligence while at the same time demonstrating a complete lack of the same.

Why are you here?

Do you hope to somehow sway the opinion of people who aren't brainwashed like you?

Do you have anything of MILITARY signifcance to contribute to these forums?

You really need to troll elsewhere.

I am in the military; 2 years in infantry, soon to be a member of jtf-2

[Trigger]

Universal wrote:

I am in the military; 2 years in infantry, soon to be a member of jtf-2
Is that you ducimus?
It must be easy if you already know you're going to be a member of such an elite unit.

[Universal]

Universal wrote:

I am in the military; 2 years in infantry, soon to be a member of jtf-2
Is that you ducimus?
It must be easy if you already know you're going to be a member of such an elite unit.

its not easy, is me who's confident.

[mocking_loudly_died]

I am in the military; 2 years in infantry, soon to be a member of jtf-2

And I'm soon to be captain planet.

[cut]

I am in the military; 2 years in infantry, soon to be a member of jtf-2

And I'm soon to be captain planet.

haha, I bet secretly you know you'll only ever make it as far as being the "animal love" guy.

[J-10]

obd, no, now you're paranoid.

Europe, in general, isn't anti-american, but anti-Bush. Europeans don't trust his agenda, his 'mission from God', the neocons etc.

That has been said often, but it seems like that subtle difference between anti-americanism and anti-neoconism isn't really understood on this board (and the US in general?).

IF Europe wants to weaken the US or if Europe is quietly watching the US taking a bloody nose it's because of Bush and his hawks. Their arrogant, self-righteous, missionary attitude has cost the US much sympathy and respect.

That's why the general attitude in Europe (and in much of the rest of the world) is: They wanted that war, so let them look how they'll clean up this mess now. They didn't want to listen to our advice, so be it.

Which does NOT mean that we gloat in each and every death of US soldiers. They mostly are kids sent on a mission they don't really understand. They too are victims of Bush's war.

I agree with you!

[Universal]

obd, no, now you're paranoid.

Europe, in general, isn't anti-american, but anti-Bush. Europeans don't trust his agenda, his 'mission from God', the neocons etc.

That has been said often, but it seems like that subtle difference between anti-americanism and anti-neoconism isn't really understood on this board (and the US in general?).

IF Europe wants to weaken the US or if Europe is quietly watching the US taking a bloody nose it's because of Bush and his hawks. Their arrogant, self-righteous, missionary attitude has cost the US much sympathy and respect.

That's why the general attitude in Europe (and in much of the rest of the world) is: They wanted that war, so let them look how they'll clean up this mess now. They didn't want to listen to our advice, so be it.

Which does NOT mean that we gloat in each and every death of US soldiers. They mostly are kids sent on a mission they don't really understand. They too are victims of Bush's war.

I agree with you!

so do I.

[Ratamacue]

Europe, in general, isn't anti-american, but anti-Bush. Europeans don't trust his agenda, his 'mission from God', the neocons etc.

Yeah, because he's a religious man, the war must be over religion.


IF Europe wants to weaken the US or if Europe is quietly watching the US taking a bloody nose it's because of Bush and his hawks. Their arrogant, self-righteous, missionary attitude has cost the US much sympathy and respect.

Inaction has cost us too much in the past to listen to a few moaners because the UN doesn't like people being insubordinate.


That's why the general attitude in Europe (and in much of the rest of the world) is: They wanted that war, so let them look how they'll clean up this mess now. They didn't want to listen to our advice, so be it.

So be it. We have plenty of people helping us out in Iraq, in case you haven't noticed, many of them European as well. The mess will get cleaned, and the pessimism coming from people isn't going to stop that.


Which does NOT mean that we gloat in each and every death of US soldiers. They mostly are kids sent on a mission they don't really understand. They too are victims of Bush's war.

The US Military doesn't take in idiots. They're serving their country and know why they're there, whether they agree or not. You also act as if the US is the only country to recruit "kids" (as if 18+ years could be considered such) into their military. Where do you get the impression that they don't understand what they're doing? Have you had first-hand interaction with US troops over there?

[usa320]

And I'm soon to be captain planet.

rofl


Is that you ducimus?
It must be easy if you already know you're going to be a member of such an elite unit.



its not easy, is me who's confident.

Dicmus to be an idiot is one thing, but to be 2 idiots at the same time is another. Like i said, mods need to cross check IP addresses.

All this anti-american postings lately arent comming from these 5-7 guys, its comming from 1 guy with 2-6 accounts.

And my money is on Dicmus.

For months this site goes with only getting 1 or 2 members every 2 months. Then all of a sudden we have 6 new posters in a week??? All with the same twisted beliefs and hate, all picking up on a thread as if they have been around here for months.


Like I said before, you are a bright one USA320

You lack the competence to formulate an argument. A political view. A set of beliefs. So instead you just insult people. That my friend is the ultimate display of ignorance.

[Universal]

you need to grow up.

[foxtrot023]

There have been European leftists that have been gloating over the deaths of American GI's right here on this forum. One commie POS from Finland was gloating over the recent deaths and mutilations of the four Americans in Fallujah.

Much of the advise coming from Europe has been bad advise. The governments in Europe suppported Saddam Hussien for the oil. It is why the French built a nuclear power plant in Iraq. It is why German chemical companies supplies Saddam's regime with everything they needed to make the chemical weapons that were used to gas many thousands of Kurds.

Another factor is the many Leftists in socialist Europe. They loath the USA for having fought and won the Cold War for capitalism.

I think this is oversimplifying the issues. Countries in Europe have different interests, some similar to the US others different. In regards with the war in Iraq, it has been explained before as to why many europeans don`t trust Bush`s reasons for it (mainly were are the WMD? why so much interest over the oil? etc), but let me tell you that all of Europe was with the US on 9/11 to a degree not seen before, however Mr. Bush, wether willing or unwilling, has caused all that goodwill to erode. And take into consideration that I belief that my country (Spain) should and will continue besides the US in Iraq and in all places were terrorism is being fought, so I aint no pantsy leftist, however I am playing devil`s advocate here.

Specifically in regards to cooperating with Saddam, there is a really funny pic of Rumsfeld shaking hands with Saddam, other pics of afghan soldiers firing US made stingers at russian chopper, and years later those same guys are the ones behind Al Qaeda. Common enemies make for strange bedmates.

And in regards to ANY person who makes fun of other people`s death (like those finns in the commie site), they should be whipped for being @ssholes- or send to the front lines so they can ¨appreciate¨ for themselves what war is (and perhaps grow up). Saying that, if all terrorists killed themselves right now, I would laught my ass off (but terrorists don`t count as people).

regards

[cut]

Europe, in general, isn't anti-american, but anti-Bush. Europeans don't trust his agenda, his 'mission from God', the neocons etc.

Yeah, because he's a religious man, the war must be over religion.

Did you listen to his speech yesterday? going on about the all mighty had made it his job to bring "freedom" to the world? It's that kind of mix of religion and politics Europeans are weary of. Afterall it sounds like something Bin Laden would say.





That's why the general attitude in Europe (and in much of the rest of the world) is: They wanted that war, so let them look how they'll clean up this mess now. They didn't want to listen to our advice, so be it.

So be it. We have plenty of people helping us out in Iraq, in case you haven't noticed, many of them European as well. The mess will get cleaned, and the pessimism coming from people isn't going to stop that.


The majority of the population in pretty much all those European countries were against the war. The "mess" will be cleaned over long years, even then the repecussions of the war will exist for decades.

[usa320]

you need to grow up.

You need to admit your ducimus and shut up and stop destroying this forum. Every single thread thats started is filled with rubish by you and your alter egos. You dont have any intelligent things to add. You make no intelligent arguments. You give no examples to support your arguments. If your going to come here and say for example, that bush ruined our country, tell how and why, dont change the subject like you did. Changing the subject is for people who are intellectually weak and instead of forming a supportable, viable opinion, ride the wave of hate only to try to distance yourself from it when it comes back at you.

So please, leave this forum, your making a mess here. Your multiple accounts, your hijacking threads, your lame personal attacks. Your crude feelings....

Youll never make it in JTF-2. ALong with the physical training there is a harsh mental evaluation and character selection process that is done by the people recruiting the candidates. You wont pass. Dont waste your time. You cant make decisions under pressure. You cant adopt to situations and stick to your guns. instead you come down to harsh words and changing the subject. You lack the stability that a JTF candidate must have. You lack the traits and morals that a JTF candidate must have. And most importantly, you lack the maturity that a JTF candidate must have.

Dont bother, they will not take you.

In a situation where you were captured by the enemy, instead of gathering intelligence with regard to who he is, where you are, and why you are there...instead of misleading him with false information and instead of keeping yourself alive, you are the kind of person who would either curse at him, or try something stupid. And either you, or someone in your squad, would wind up dead because of that.

[Skaman]

Okay, am I missing something? Is Universal claiming to be me, or do you guys think I am this guy? Get the mods to check our IP's for all I care. I could care less what this guy has to say, or what any of you have to say to him for that matter, just don’t mix me up with other forum members. Check with the mods if in doubt. This is my only account, and has been my only account.

I can’t believe the nerve of some people.

Anybody care to apologize? I don’t know who is worse, thy guys who pretends to be me, or these spiteful little prick forum members.

:roll:

[Ratamacue]

Good points cut, but regardless of his speech, to say that the war is about religion is extremely presumptuous and assuming.

And usa, shut the hell up already, you're giving me a goddamn tumor. TO say that every person on this board recently who disagrees with you is actually Ducimus is one of the f***ing stupidest things I've heard in my time here. I know you feel the need to lash out on people who even remotely challenge your views on the world, but SHUT THE HELL UP!

[usa320]

Ill shut up, but the point remains. IP checks are needed.

[Skaman]

Any member who has been here for some significant amount of time would be able to discern the difference from my style of writing and this Universal guy. If you somehow doubt that I am adhering to forum rules by accessing multiple accounts, Pm the mods and they can verify for you. But please don’t 'cry wolf' all over this forum with the same finger pointing nonsense. Comments like these only remind me how juvenile this forum can be.

[Universal]

you need to grow up.

You need to admit your ducimus and shut up and stop destroying this forum. Every single thread thats started is filled with rubish by you and your alter egos. You dont have any intelligent things to add. You make no intelligent arguments. You give no examples to support your arguments. If your going to come here and say for example, that bush ruined our country, tell how and why, dont change the subject like you did. Changing the subject is for people who are intellectually weak and instead of forming a supportable, viable opinion, ride the wave of hate only to try to distance yourself from it when it comes back at you.

So please, leave this forum, your making a mess here. Your multiple accounts, your hijacking threads, your lame personal attacks. Your crude feelings....

Youll never make it in JTF-2. ALong with the physical training there is a harsh mental evaluation and character selection process that is done by the people recruiting the candidates. You wont pass. Dont waste your time. You cant make decisions under pressure. You cant adopt to situations and stick to your guns. instead you come down to harsh words and changing the subject. You lack the stability that a JTF candidate must have. You lack the traits and morals that a JTF candidate must have. And most importantly, you lack the maturity that a JTF candidate must have.

Dont bother, they will not take you.

In a situation where you were captured by the enemy, instead of gathering intelligence with regard to who he is, where you are, and why you are there...instead of misleading him with false information and instead of keeping yourself alive, you are the kind of person who would either curse at him, or try something stupid. And either you, or someone in your squad, would wind up dead because of that.

Everything you say here is wrong. I tried to reason with you earlier, but I guess you don't want to, and you're calling me immature? You're accusing me of things I haven't done and things I haven't said. I allready know what a jtf-2 candidate must be like. Trust me bud, I am not what you described up there. Show me where I wrote the words "bush ruined america". Show me how I have multiple accounts, or how I hijack threads. I said it before and I'll say it again; you need to grow up.

[Skaman]

What unit are you from Universal?

[SeanAshi]

http://www.dallasdancemusic.com/photos/data/500/6243shake.gif

[big_les]

I just wanted to say few things.

First of all, it doesn't really matter on the international field if he is dyslexic or has other problems with public speaking. The fact is, he is not percieved as a good public speaker. If you place no value on this, how the president is percieved in other countries and how he is viewed.. well I just think that might be little short sighted. Now, Bush isn't horrible speaker, but he is not very good either and what matters to the rest of the world is how we see it, not what the facts are. No one here cares if the person has problems and has gone through a lot in his life and is now a winner. It might be difficult for some people to truly understand, but make no mistake, it has certain value and that value has direct effect on how the rest of the world citizens see him, and the ignorant ones would stereotype the whole country based on that. It's stupid, but that's how it goes.

Furthermore, every kind of remarks about Europe is not seen very nice if it's like few of the posts here. You don't retaliate to critisism, no matter how stupid it is, with bashing back. Then you are just lowering yourself to that same level and it really doesn't matter who started it. It's the internet my friends and most of us too have freedom of speech in our countries. If you don't like that some non-americans talk bad about Bush, that's too bad, but it helps if you can intelligently counter those claims without passion. You can hide it and call it Patriotism, loving your country and supporting the troops, but what it really is.. is just unability to counter those claims. You make the other guy look bad for bashing, not yourself, that's how you win, and if you love your country, that's how you make your fellow citizens look better for all the rest of us.

And for the record, I don't live in a ****hole and if you have something against me because I'm European, then you are a racist and bigot. If you do not realize the variety of Europe and that there are actually many countries in it, that differ from each other like day and night, then that's something to look into and read about. And don't forget, we are your friends. Sending troops or not, we still are and friends can and should critisize each other, but in proper manners because bashing leads nowhere..

Sure there's some anti-americanism in Europe and everywhere else too. But don't think you are some kind of special breed that is hated because everyone is allegedly jealous. We are hated too. My country is hated somewhere. I've been harrased in other countries just because I was a tourist. Jerks and bigots are everywhere. Who cares?! Do not fall into the same trap of paranoid thinking, because it is not true. Especially now, when terrorism is on the rise, we should remember who our friends are. Never forget it. It's very important. We will only see the value of our friendship if it's gone and then it's late. Terrorists will be creaming their pants at that point. Even they couldn't have expected jackpot like that. West must be united and stand strong through the little arguments and petty little things. Like a good marriage.

And this goes for all, not just Americans, but everyone equally. **** just gets escalated out of proportions these days with internet and keyboard warriors lose their tempers, stereotyping is wild and everyone just gets offended and 99% of those are for no good reason too.

To sum it up, we are friends, and we have the same goals and we want the same things. We think differently and come from different cultures and histories, and 99% of arguments are basically just misunderstanding the other one. I travel a lot to the US and Europe as well. It kills me to see guys bashing each other when I see there's no reason for it, they just misunderstood each other.

That's it.

This post should be stickied, or FAQed. There are so many posters on this forum that seem to be sociopathic but in reality I think are simply exorcising their RL frustrations on the web, since its a consequence-free environment. Our job is to counter them in an intelligent, rational way and help them to see how ridiculous their behaviour is.