View Full Version : Russia Enters WTO
I didn't see another thread discussing this, so I'll start.
Flamming_Python
11-19-2006, 09:52 PM
Wonder where we had to sell out in order to get the US to let us in :)
Hopefully nothing much, as the WTO membership wasn't regarded as very important for the Putin administration.
Russia enters WTO?
mmm...
No, thanks.
Flamming_Python
11-19-2006, 11:01 PM
Russia enters WTO?
mmm...
No, thanks.
What makes you say that, asch?
What makes you say that, asch?
well, it's my personal opinion based on requirements for WTO members (or may i say for WTO RF membership) and current state of RF economics. i think our politics and lawmaking sector for now do not want to put growing economy at risk. however, things may change.
sorry asch, it already happened. We're in.
sorry asch, it already happened. We're in.
fvck.
i always missing important things...
ViktorNavorski
11-19-2006, 11:28 PM
Technically, Russian has not enter the WTO, yet. They just finalize trade agreements with the U.S., with being a major member of the world body mean their chances just increase tremendously. Formalities still has to be concluded in Geneva and WTO's members, Georgia and Moldova, could and might delay entrance for a short while more.
Where did you see that Russia is in WTO? Its been stated last week that US agreed to let Russia into WTO, canceling Georgia's WTO block for Russia. Russia is not a member yet. And agreement most likely came from Russia giving Iran to US... or North Korea.
dimasorokine
11-20-2006, 12:44 AM
What would be the benefits of Russia joining the WTO?
-Dima
What would be the benefits of Russia joining the WTO?
-Dima
Dont know exactly, but im guessing: less beuracracy for international trades.
Flamming_Python
11-20-2006, 12:58 AM
What would be the benefits of Russia joining the WTO?
-Dima
Not enough for Russia to change its position on Iran and cut dialog & business with it. At least not at this stage. And considering that Putin has kept the same line over the past week, it seems that he hasn't sold out his position on Iran for WTO entry.
Of course, even US diplomats acknolodge that the Russian and US differences on Iran differ tactically, rather than strategically. i.e. Neither of the countries want Iran to have nukes, but Russia is determined not to push Iran into a corner with overbearing sanctions, as has happened with North Korea
Not enough to change its position on Iran. And considering that Putin has kept the same line over the past week, it seems that he hasn't sold out his position on Iran for WTO entry.
Of course, even US diplomats acknolodge that the Russian and US differences on Iran differ tactically, rather than strategically. i.e. Neither of the countries want Iran to have nukes, but Russia is determined not to push Iran into a corner with overbearing sanctions, as has happened with North Korea
Putin was practicaly asking to join WTO on his knees, and here, abruptly, US gives its blessing; Putin had to promise something big.
dimasorokine
11-20-2006, 01:12 AM
Putin was practicaly asking to join WTO on his knees, and here, abruptly, US gives its blessing; Putin had to promise something big.
Even though we both probably don't know what we are talking about...
I'm not sure, but Putin may have said something like "you let me into the WTO or I have no choice but to..." insert something that would hurt the west after the "..."
Either way, in the next week or two if Putin does NOT start to critisize Iran or North Korea I will believe I was right :)
-Dima
Even though we both probably don't know what we are talking about...
I'm not sure, but Putin may have said something like "you let me into the WTO or I have no choice but to..." insert something that would hurt the west after the "..."
Either way, in the next week or two if Putin does NOT start to critisize Iran or North Korea I will believe I was right :)
-Dima
I gave a general idea of what might have been used as bargain, even if it is Iran or DPRK it wont be as obvious as next week, Russia might just have to finish Busher reactor and only then say "Cya"
ViktorNavorski
11-20-2006, 02:28 AM
Where did you see that Russia is in WTO? Its been stated last week that US agreed to let Russia into WTO, canceling Georgia's WTO block for Russia. Russia is not a member yet. And agreement most likely came from Russia giving Iran to US... or North Korea.If we're going to play semantic, the title of the thread for a starter. The right word is not "cancelling" as the obstacles is still pretty alive and kicking. Russia still have to sign bilateral protocols with Costa Rica, Guatemala, El Salvador, Moldova and renegotiate with Georgia which withdrawn their signature from Russia's application. There is also a minor detail that the U.S. Congress has to remove Russia from the 1974 Jackson-Vanick amendment (it's old, but bureacracy, can't fight them all). Not to mention Russia still has to finish multilateral negotiations.
Flamming_Python
11-20-2006, 07:37 AM
I don't think either of you get it, dima and m4ko...
Putin has many times said that while he hopes Russia will get into the WTO, it is not the highest priority, and the country will drop its application if not in by 2008. Now maybe in private the WTO was his wet dream, but I see no evidence or reason for it, so no point in speculating.
khukuri
11-21-2006, 04:04 AM
Not enough for Russia to change its position on Iran and cut dialog & business with it. At least not at this stage. And considering that Putin has kept the same line over the past week, it seems that he hasn't sold out his position on Iran for WTO entry.
Of course, even US diplomats acknolodge that the Russian and US differences on Iran differ tactically, rather than strategically. i.e. Neither of the countries want Iran to have nukes, but Russia is determined not to push Iran into a corner with overbearing sanctions, as has happened with North Korea
China is in the WTO and it has even greater relationships with Iran...
Flamming_Python
11-21-2006, 11:19 AM
China is in the WTO and it has even greater relationships with Iran...
China didn't get screwed over with conditions for 13 years while waiting to enter :-(
Amerikosskiy_xyu
11-21-2006, 11:47 AM
If we're going to play semantic, the title of the thread for a starter. The right word is not "cancelling" as the obstacles is still pretty alive and kicking. Russia still have to sign bilateral protocols with Costa Rica, Guatemala, El Salvador, Moldova and renegotiate with Georgia which withdrawn their signature from Russia's application. There is also a minor detail that the U.S. Congress has to remove Russia from the 1974 Jackson-Vanick amendment (it's old, but bureacracy, can't fight them all). Not to mention Russia still has to finish multilateral negotiations.
He was talking about original post, not yours.
perdurabo
11-21-2006, 01:22 PM
maybe we should ask first what WTO is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Organization
The WTO states that its aims are to increase international trade by promoting lower trade barriers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trade_barriers) and providing a platform for the negotiation of trade and to their business.
Principles of the trading system
The WTO discussions should follow these fundamental principles of trading.
A trading system should be free of discrimination in the sense that one country cannot privilege a particular trading partner above others within the system, nor can it discriminate against foreign products and services.
A trading system should tend toward more freedom, that is, toward fewer trade barriers (tariffs and non-tariff barriers).
A trading system should be predictable, with foreign companies and governments reassured that trade barriers will not be raised arbitrarily and that markets will remain open.
A trading system should tend toward greater competition.
A trading system should be more accommodating for less developed countries, giving them more time to adjust, greater flexibility, and more privileges
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/26/WTOmap_currentstatus.png/800px-WTOmap_currentstatus.png
So now what proffits Russia will get from WTO and what WTO members will get from Ru.?
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