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DeltaWhisky58
11-22-2006, 08:50 AM
Pair of German U-boats discovered

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42343000/jpg/_42343942_germanuboat203.jpg
The submarines went missing during WWI in 1918

Two submarine wrecks, believed to be uncharted WWI German U-boats, have been discovered by chance off Orkney.

A team working on a Maritime and Coastguard Agency (MCA) tug made the find during a routine sonar survey.
The submarines - reported missing in the area in 1918 - were discovered about 70 miles off Sanday Sound.
One was under the control of Commander Kurt Beitzen, who had previously mined and sunk HMS Hampshire carrying Lord Kitchener in 1916.
Plans of the two U-boats have been examined by experts, who have identified the wrecks as U-102 and U-92, which may have been sunk by a series of mines.

'Watery grave'

Rob Spillard, hydrography manager for the MCA, said: "One of the subs it seems was commanded by quite a famous commander - the man who sunk the ship that Lord Kitchener was on - so this is his watery grave so to speak."
On 23 May, 1916, U-75 laid mines under the control of Commander Beitzen after traveling around the west coast of Orkney undetected.
Less than a month later the head of the war ministry, Lord Kitchener, was lost at sea together with many of the crew of the cruiser HMS Hampshire after striking mines.
He has been well remembered for his famous recruitment posters, bearing his heavily moustached face and pointing hand, over the legend 'Your country needs you'.

Heading home

Beitzen later transferred to U-102, which was on its way home to Germany in autumn 1918 when it was lost with all 42 hands.
The MCA was one of part of the team involved in the recent ScapaMap survey, which successfully mapped the locations of the remains of the German fleet scuttled at Scapa Flow in 1919.
The discovery of these U-boats was not part of the Scapa Flow project but part of the MCA's ongoing process of undertaking hydrographic surveys in UK waters. Mr Spillard said: "The tug's main role is to intervene when large vessels require towing away from the coast in order to protect shipping, lives and the environment. "The MCA have fitted state-of-the-art sonar equipment to the tug. Whilst the tug is on standby for any incident that may occur, it is put to good use collecting hydrographic survey data."

BBC News Online (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/north_east/6172692.stm)

PrinzEugen
11-22-2006, 10:45 AM
Always interesting when they find a bit of lost history, thanksfor the link.
From uboat.net

U-102
Type (http://uboat.net/wwi/types/) Mittel U (http://uboat.net/wwi/types/index.html?type=Mittel+U)

Shipyard A.G. Weser, Bremen (http://uboat.net/wwi/types/shipyards.html?yard=A.G.+Weser%2C+Bremen) (Werk 253) Ordered15 Sep, 1915 Laid down 12 Aug, 1916 Launched 12 May, 1917 Commissioned 18 Jun, 1917 Commanders 5 Aug, 1917 - 25 Nov, 1917 Ernst Killmann 26 Nov, 1917 - 30 Sep, 1918 Curt Beitzen Career 7 patrols5 Aug, 1917 - 30 Sep, 1918 II Flotilla
Successes 5 ships sunk for a total of 13.245 tons (warships excluded). Fate 30 Sep, 1918 - Possibly mined in the Northern Barrage some day at the end of the month. 42 dead (all hands lost).

U-92
Type (http://uboat.net/wwi/types/) Mittel U (http://uboat.net/wwi/types/index.html?type=Mittel+U)

Shipyard Kaiserliche Werft, Danzig (http://uboat.net/wwi/types/shipyards.html?yard=Kaiserliche+Werft%2C+Danzig) (Werk 36) Ordered 23 Jun, 1915 Laid down 20 Aug, 1916 Launched 12 May, 1917 Commissioned 22 Oct, 1917 Commanders 22 Oct, 1917 - 31 May, 1918 Max Bieler1 Jun, 1918 - 9 Sep, 1918 Günther Ehrlich Career 5 patrols 27 Dec, 1917 - 9 Sep, 1918 III Flotilla
Successes 8 ships sunk for a total of 19.790 tons (warships excluded). Fate 9 Sep, 1918 - Lost for unknown reason. Possibly mined off S Fair Isle. 42 dead (all hands lost).

Bryson C
11-22-2006, 11:54 AM
Interesting, thx for posting.

ShotOver
11-23-2006, 09:05 AM
Bloody brave men, Rest In Peace. I do hope they do not attempt any sort of salvage operation.

DeltaWhisky58
11-23-2006, 09:30 AM
Any site like this is automatically designated a War Grave. No access or diving is allowed without a special license, salvage will be out of the question.

Bearing in mind the location, I doubt this would be accessible to anything but professional divers - deep water and very cold.

Matthias
01-06-2007, 12:15 PM
Hello, I'm new in this forum. Googling about Curt Beitzen I found this threads about the two submarine wrecks; to one of them, U 102, I'm more or less directly related. My greatgreatuncle sunk with the boat in september 1918 and was lost until the wrecks were found by the British Coast Guard. An incredible coincidence after nearly 90 years. Personally I was and am researching his destiny for several years and now this exceptional discovery. I also can state that he has been crewmember of the famous U 9, but was not on board on september 22th 1914, but later.
Best regards from Berlin, Matthias
PS: A so called salvage operation is not planned. The German Government was informed by the British Government about the existence of the wrecks and they urged the British Government to do all that the wrecks will be regarded as war graves.

ShotOver
01-06-2007, 12:18 PM
Hello, I'm new in this forum. Googling about Curt Beitzen I found this threads about the two submarine wrecks; to one of them, U 102, I'm more or less directly related. My greatgreatuncle sunk with the boat in september 1918 and was lost until the wrecks were found by the British Coast Guard. An incredible coincidence after nearly 90 years. Personally I was and am researching his destiny for several years and now this exceptional discovery. I also can state that he has been crewmember of the famous U 9, but was not on board on september 22th 1914, but later.
Best regards from Berlin, Matthias
PS: A so called salvage operation is not planned. The German Government was informed by the British Government about the existence of the wrecks and they urged the British Government to do all that the wrecks will be regarded as war graves.

Yeah mate, you don't raise ships and submarines. Ever. Well you shouldnt. They are as you say "Wargraves".
You must be a very happy man to hear about this, I know I would be. Rest In Peace to your great great uncle.

Jagdtiger
01-07-2007, 07:27 AM
interesting info thx man

janush
01-07-2007, 07:56 PM
wondering, but... are there any ww1 era subs left intact anywhere?