Absolutely stunning Gatling Gun action - movie

[adlep]

Check this out:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4897647549985392214

Can anybody shine some light in regards what kind of a weapon system is it?
Look like a land- mobile version of an Phalanx CIWS
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phalanx_CIWS

This is amazing!
It looks like it will be able to destroy everything: missiles, bombs, planes, personnel, etc, etc...
Edit: This is the longest burst of the Gatling Gun I have ever seen!

[iGrooCk]

...badass...

[Bryson C]

Wow the night firing is pretty cool.

[melon]

What I find more interesting is that it appears to be engaging an inbound gravity bomb.

[Hypno85]

The night part was great looked like a snake.

[Soldier of fortune]

OMG :-D


very nice thx.

what a great sound, and light show at night

[Hydro]

It's a land based CIWS indeed, and it's for tracking and shooting down incoming mortar and rocket rounds. Used in a base defence role.

[Hydro]

What I find more interesting is that it appears to be engaging an inbound gravity bomb.


It appeared to be a mortar round, and it's not that uncommon. I know the RN shoot 4.5inch shells out of the air with their Phalanx systems.

[adlep]

It appeared to be a mortar round, and it's not that uncommon. I know the RN shoot 4.5inch shells out of the air with their Phalanx systems.

If it can engage mortar shell - wow!
Is this a prototype weapon, is it being deployed now?
Do you have some more info about it?

[phasio]

nice video. too bad they are beeing replaced by the Rolling Airframe Missile

[2./52 Lehmann]

nice sound !

[Shadow]

I think I have left my lawnmower on. I'll be back in a sec.

Ohh wait that's the video.

[-HUNTER-]

I think you could actually mow the lawn with this thing! woot

[erazer76]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goalkeeper_CIWS

The Phalanx CIWS is another system that is widely used in the same role, there are several key differences between the two systems:

* Goalkeeper's projectiles are much larger (30 mm versus 20 mm) and have greater kinetic energy.
* Goalkeeper is twice as expensive as the Phalanx.
* Phalanx can be welded to any section of deck and plugged in, while Goalkeeper requires significant 'deck penetration' and integration.
* Phalanx ammo drum is mounted directly on the gun, the Goalkeeper is reloaded from below deck.
* Phalanx can only track and engage one target at a time, while Goalkeeper can track 18 targets and switch to engage the greatest threat.
* Both weapons have similar maximum ranges, however Goalkeepers kill distance is reportedly slightly further (350 to 500 meters compared to 300 meters for the Phalanx).

finally the comparison between the dutch system and the us version

[aedmon640]

So, why doesn't israel have these lined up against the border? far too expensive? minimal range?

[sferrin]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goalkeeper_CIWS

The Phalanx CIWS is another system that is widely used in the same role, there are several key differences between the two systems:

* Goalkeeper's projectiles are much larger (30 mm versus 20 mm) and have greater kinetic energy.
* Goalkeeper is twice as expensive as the Phalanx.
* Phalanx can be welded to any section of deck and plugged in, while Goalkeeper requires significant 'deck penetration' and integration.
* Phalanx ammo drum is mounted directly on the gun, the Goalkeeper is reloaded from below deck.
* Phalanx can only track and engage one target at a time, while Goalkeeper can track 18 targets and switch to engage the greatest threat.
* Both weapons have similar maximum ranges, however Goalkeepers kill distance is reportedly slightly further (350 to 500 meters compared to 300 meters for the Phalanx).

finally the comparison between the dutch system and the us version

Well the Goalkeeper does have the same gun as the A-10 ;) BTW the advantage of Phalanx is that it doesn't penetrate through the deck like the Goalkeeper. Much lighter weight.

[sferrin]

nice video. too bad they are beeing replaced by the Rolling Airframe Missile

Yes and no. Carriers and amphibious assault ships have both. The only instances I'm aware of of Phalanx being removed or left off are on the Burke Flight IIAs but in that case they're being replaced by ESSM. Personally I think it's a dumb idea because ESSM has a minimum range and it would be stupid to use it against say an incoming 5" round. They should have left them in place in addition to the ESSMs. I have never heard why they felt they should remove them although I imagine they "thought" (I use the term loosely) they could save a few bucks.

[OldRecon]

Maybe UNIFIL 2 could have some use for this land phalanx system?

[MG 3]

Good name "Anti Everything".

Can it be downloaded?

[jetsetter]

This is a land based CIWS systems that has been deployed to Iraq. It is based on the 20mm CIWS system used on US naval vessels. The land based versions use special rounds that detonate before hitting the ground so civilians and soldiers are not injured.


The U.S. Army's version of the Navy's CIWS Phalanx anti-missile system is called the "Land-Based Phalanx Weapon System" (LPWS). It is a type of "C-RAM" (counter-rockets, artillery and mortars) defensive weapon.

Whereas naval Phalanx systems fire depleted uranium or (more recently) tungsten armor-piercing rounds, the LPWS uses the HEIT-SD (High-Explosive Incendiary Tracer, Self-Destruct) ammunition originally developed for the M163 Vulcan air-defense system. These rounds explode on impact with the target, or upon tracer burnout. With a reliablity of between 95 and 99 percent the odds of live rounds falling on "friendlies" is minimal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phalanx_CIWS

[Nrjetix]

The Canadian Army are currently considering removing Phalanx from Canadian ships and using them to defend land installations from mortar/rocket attack.

See http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=c8a93b40-1913-4823-a5e1-a95bc36b3bca

[Lt-Col A. Tack]

Check this out:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4897647549985392214

Can anybody shine some light in regards what kind of a weapon system is it?
Look like a land- mobile version of an Phalanx CIWS
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phalanx_CIWS

Great find!! Thanks!!

A little MP.net historical info on the system.

C-RAM BATTERY (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?p=1811566&h#post1811566)

Land-Based Phalanx Weapon System (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=67498)



This is amazing!
It looks like it will be able to destroy everything: missiles, bombs, planes, personnel, etc, etc...
Edit: This is the longest burst of the Gatling Gun I have ever seen!
X2

[Lt-Col A. Tack]

Well the Goalkeeper does have the same gun as the A-10 ;) BTW the advantage of Phalanx is that it doesn't penetrate through the deck like the Goalkeeper. Much lighter weight.

Would something like the Skyshield (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skyshield) be useful in this role?

It is a larger caliber system (35mm), but the AHEAD ammo looks like it would be effective.


http://www.deagel.com/pandora/skyshield-35_pm00391001.aspx
http://www.rheinmetall-detec.com/index.php?fid=1547&lang=3

[sferrin]

Would something like the Skyshield (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skyshield) be useful in this role?

It is a larger caliber system (35mm), but the AHEAD ammo looks like it would be effective.


http://www.deagel.com/pandora/skyshield-35_pm00391001.aspx
http://www.rheinmetall-detec.com/index.php?fid=1547&lang=3

Could be. With CIWS they generally try to package the guns,radars, etc. all on one mount so your field of view and field of fire are the same. AHEAD reminds me of a system they were working on back in the late 80's early 90's called Sea Trinity which used a Bofors 40mm gun and proximity-fuzed ammo. BTW I wonder if the 57mm guns shown here use the AHEAD ammo as they are going to be on the DD(X) and LCS.

http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNSweden_4cm-70_m1948.htm

[OzMan]

To me (and my inexperience), the night vid looks like a Spectre gunship firing air-to-ground, not the other way around.

[artinist]

So, why doesn't israel have these lined up against the border? far too expensive? minimal range?


why don't we have them on our boarder?

[sferrin]

Here are a couple more CIWS. Got the Phalanx, Goalkeeper, and Kashtan. (Damn Russians always make the cool looking stuff. Someone needs to design a mount with twin GAU-8s and eight LOSATs modified for antiship missile duties ;) )

http://rapidshare.com/files/4425773/9M88_Kortik_Kashtan.wmv.html
http://rapidshare.com/files/4426393/Goalkeeper.mpg.html
http://rapidshare.com/files/4427015/Phalanx.flv.html
http://rapidshare.com/files/4427836/Raytheon_Line.flv.html

And just for comparison (and to keep them together since I'm fairly certain I've posted this here before- THEL takes out 3 mortar rounds)

http://rapidshare.com/files/4429322/THEL_vs_mortar_rounds.mov.html


On the Raytheon clip the Phalanx stuff comes at the end.

[sferrin]

To me (and my inexperience), the night vid looks like a Spectre gunship firing air-to-ground, not the other way around.


Well, except for the fact that the rounds are clearly going from the ground to the air ;)

[aedmon640]

why don't we have them on our boarder?

Because we don't have hezzie rockets flying in?

[ivan_shermagone]

Impressive

[ya2]

why don't we have them on our boarder?

becuase Israel and the US r building an anti-rockets\mortars laser system which seems to be faster killer and cheaper in the long term...

they've been talking for years about this system, wonder when it's gonna be ready.............
http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/missile_systems/systems/THEL.html

[Sixpints]

Good show!

One dumb question though: Why are they using tracers for a radar guided system?

[melon]

Good show!

One dumb question though: Why are they using tracers for a radar guided system?

I would imagine most 20mm ammuntion is for helos and airplanes, where the tracer would be ideal. Cheaper to use off the shelf ammo, just my guess.

Or maybe they like to put on a show while they take down targets.

[artinist]

becuase Israel and the US r building an anti-rockets\mortars laser system which seems to be faster killer and cheaper in the long term...

they've been talking for years about this system, wonder when it's gonna be ready.............
http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/missile_systems/systems/THEL.html

i meant the arizona border

[sferrin]

becuase Israel and the US r building an anti-rockets\mortars laser system which seems to be faster killer and cheaper in the long term...

they've been talking for years about this system, wonder when it's gonna be ready.............
http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/missile_systems/systems/THEL.html

THEL was cancelled. So was MTHEL (the operational version of THEL). The latest attempt is Sky Guard. Which will also go nowhere most likely.

http://www.spacewar.com/reports/Northrop_Grumman_Develops_Skyguard_Laser_Defense_System_For_Local_Defense_999.html



Their weakness is the chemicals they use produce toxic byproducts (and aren't exactly benign even before they get burned). Solidstate lasers are "just around the corner" and rather than divert resources down a dead-end path (chemical lasers) nobody is biting on these with the exception of ABL. ABL requires a lot more power and solidstate lasers likely won't be to those levels for decades so chemical lasers are still viable in that role. For now.

[sferrin]

i meant the arizona border

For what? 1234

[dedgod]

So, why doesn't israel have these lined up against the border? far too expensive? minimal range?

Both....they have a relatively short range ( i would guess 4000- 6000 yards) so you'd need a lot of these for the border, which would make it expensive.

in addition, missiles/rockets would fly above its altitude...All AAA have this problem..

which is why most systems which are under development/testing/research to perform tasks like this (shooting incoming missiles/rockets/mortar bombs/shells) are missilie based,, and not gun based.

This is more like a last ditch defence..

[Aztec Eagle]

The Canadian Army are currently considering removing Phalanx from Canadian ships and using them to defend land installations from mortar/rocket attack.

See http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=c8a93b40-1913-4823-a5e1-a95bc36b3bca


What are you guys goin to replace the with?? Missiles?

Also do any of you guys know what are the countrys that operate the phalanx?? I was reading theres 20 allied countrys using them but no more info.

I think that we in Mexico have the smallest ships carring the Phalanx,i might be wrong...

http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/album52/ajm.jpg (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/)

[BusterHyman]

i meant the arizona border


LOL. I'm not sure human movement would be programmed into the engagement parameter for the Phalanx CIWS, maybe they can reprogram it.

[Aztec Eagle]

LOL. I'm not sure human movement would be programmed into the engagement parameter for the Phalanx CIWS, maybe they can reprogram it.

Cool!!! I GUESS YOUR RIGHT.. they can be programmed to kill unarmed man,women and children that the only reason there going to cross the border illegaly its because there hungry. i guess i would go LOL, AND LOL again if it was not people from my country , its human nature.

I wonder why any of our goverments never thought that!??

That would most defenetly stop illegal immigration and they wont take that slice of pizza away from your mouth,or maybe if illegal immigration stop you can turn in your honda and get a Mercedes Hu?? because they do take soooo much with the 50k they make a year working cleaning toilets and working in the fields,those dream jobs that you always wanted.

Thats sooo moraly correct of a christian nation,that talks crap about extremist muslums crazy ass nations.,im glad that NOT all americans think like you.

I wonder how are you able to go to church or say a prayer if you ever do.

[big_les]

When you say "Gatling gun", I expect to see something on a wooden carriage with a crank-handle.

[astro]

When you say "Gatling gun", I expect to see something on a wooden carriage with a crank-handle.

*laugh!* That kind of visual made me genuinely laugh out loud :-D Especially when combined with a pointed Kaiser helmet.

[N-G-F-O]

These things are awesome, when i was blue navy i stood 20ft away in ovies and anti-flash and watched from the bridge-wing as Goalkeeper engaged a towed target, i remember vividly the shock i felt when the bitch fired. You (and the rest of the ship) shake yourself stupid. The air around you just seems to rattle. It's a pretty impressive sight. the only down side was cranking the rounds back in to the sytem in the g'keeper power room (and it was just that, a whole compartment dedicated to the chain for the ammo and gennies) afterwards, now that's a bitch. Thing is i can't figure out whyy the mob keeps switching between Phalanx and goalkeeper. Type 22 batch 3 frigates were fitted with Golakeeper 30mm x 7. HMS Ocean a LPH, however, which came out a few years back had the Phalanx fit. For whatever reason they've now gone back to Goalkeeper and fitted them onto the new LPD's Bulwark and Albion. Never got why they chopped and changed all the time?

[sferrin]

*laugh!* That kind of visual made me genuinely laugh out loud :-D Especially when combined with a pointed Kaiser helmet.

You're probably thinking of germans with Maxim guns and the water cooling jacket. (Makes them look sorta like a gat from a distance)

http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-weapons/heavy-ww1-german.htm



Imagine John Wayne, Civil War, and hand cranking one of these. :)

http://www.civilwarhome.com/gatlinggun.htm

[wildheart]

mmmmmmmmmmm gun **** :)

[kamarian]

Cool!!! I GUESS YOUR RIGHT.. they can be programmed to kill unarmed man,women and children that the only reason there going to cross the border illegaly its because there hungry. i guess i would go LOL, AND LOL again if it was not people from my country , its human nature.

I wonder why any of our goverments never thought that!??

That would most defenetly stop illegal immigration and they wont take that slice of pizza away from your mouth,or maybe if illegal immigration stop you can turn in your honda and get a Mercedes Hu?? because they do take soooo much with the 50k they make a year working cleaning toilets and working in the fields,those dream jobs that you always wanted.

Thats sooo moraly correct of a christian nation,that talks crap about extremist muslums crazy ass nations.,im glad that NOT all americans think like you.

I wonder how are you able to go to church or say a prayer if you ever do.


Take a deep breath, and loosen your grip, mate. i'm sure he was joking.