9 pics of civilian contractors in Iraq

[front]

These might have been posted here before. MTSN makes up the uppers on the AR15s and some of the contractors send him photos. These photos have been posted on AR15.com in the past month.

http://www.thermaldynamics.com/pictures/mstn/animalM4s.jpg

http://www.thermaldynamics.com/pictures/mstn/BAGDHAD.jpg

http://www.thermaldynamics.com/pictures/mstn/BAGDHAD1.jpg

http://www.thermaldynamics.com/pictures/mstn/BAGDHAD2.jpg

http://www.thermaldynamics.com/pictures/mstn/BAGDHAD3.jpg

http://www.thermaldynamics.com/pictures/mstn/BAGDHAD4.jpg

http://www.thermaldynamics.com/pictures/mstn/BAGDHAD5.jpg

http://www.thermaldynamics.com/pictures/mstn/BAGDHAD6.jpg

[scrybe]

How does that work with the Civilian Contractors? Are they piad by the US government? And what tasks do they perform that enlisted troops are unable to perform?

[American Patriot]

Woohoo, PKM!

[Khabbi]

You sure thats not Delta ? , they have that Delta force look ;)

[RomanS]

its Russian VDV

[Red]

i tought that i read somewhere that most security related contractors were not allowed to bring in guns cause of some strict import laws,so they had to rely on AK's.Or are these guys directly hired by the US govt?can someone who knows fill us in?

[Pooga]

Crazy people with crazy souped-up crazy guns.

[American Patriot]

Crazy people with crazy souped-up crazy guns.

Shut up a-hole. :lol:

I don't know how many times I've had to type that here.

[Pooga]

Excuse me? Why am I an a-hole? :petting:

[American Patriot]

I think it's fair to say all of these people know their **** and I wish them good luck.

[Pooga]

Ok, were you just kidding? Cuz that just came out of the blue.

[American Patriot]

Ok, were you just kidding? Cuz that just came out of the blue.

I thought you were another idiot rambling about illegal occupation mercenaries. Carry on.

[venture160]

damn, looks like a small private army there

[Pooga]

No bud I was saying "crazy" as in "wild" and/or "carefree." Crazy in a good way. Not illegal (da heck?).

What's with the AK? Looks pretty spiffy. Contractors are basically guards, right?

I hope they kick butt! Kick butt dudes!

[Saranof]

Most of those guys are ex- military, right?

[American Patriot]

They're definately ex-military because Blackwater sure as **** isn't going to hire Joe Schmoe off the street who took a tactical rifle class at Front Sight Academy.

That said, they have a totally different obligations than an enlisted man.

[Uninen]

damn, looks like a small private army there

Thats cause that is what they are.. MERCENARIES.. also most of them ARE EX-US-SF.. ie SEALs or DELTA..

:cantbeli:

[American Patriot]

damn, looks like a small private army there

Thats cause that is what they are.. MERCENARIES.. also most of them ARE EX-US-SF.. ie SEALs or DELTA..

:cantbeli:

Most prefer the euphemism, "private military contractor."

[seruriermarshal]

Great pic , these heros will kill those Iraq sh*t !

woot woot woot

[kommando]

what role do the "prive military contractors" play in the war
do they fight along side soldiers?
do they fight at all?
cuase if they did wouldnt they have to coordinate with american and other troops, then who si to know the success and stuff of their missions?
just be interesting to knwo what they do exactly

and another question
what vests do the guy in the last picture, and the guy in the middle of the first picture have.

[American Patriot]

Some sorta Blackhawk assault vest. Blackhawk makes the best stuff :D

[Uninen]

Great pic , these heros will kill those Iraq sh*t !

woot woot woot

:roll:

Ehm.. werent you there to "liberate" them and bring them "Freedom"?

:lol:

Sorry,

I forgot.. its all about oil.. and how you must kill every single Iraqi so that you can claim its rightfully all yours.. as there is nomore legimate owners left to make their claim on it..

:lol:

[American Patriot]

Great pic , these heros will kill those Iraq sh*t !

woot woot woot

:roll:

Ehm.. werent you there to "liberate" them and bring them "Freedom"?

:lol:

Sorry,

I forgot.. its all about oil.. and how you must kill every single Iraqi so that you can claim its rightfully all yours.. as there is nomore legimate owners left to make their claim on it..

:lol:

The mission still stands. Either you are with us or against us.

[Marmot1]

Great pic , these heros will kill those Iraq sh*t !

woot woot woot

:roll:

Ehm.. werent you there to "liberate" them and bring them "Freedom"?

:lol:

Sorry,

I forgot.. its all about oil.. and how you must kill every single Iraqi so that you can claim its rightfully all yours.. as there is nomore legimate owners left to make their claim on it..

:lol:

The mission still stands. Either you are with us or against us.
There is 3rd option... stay on a side and watch...

[ibstolidude]

Some sorta Blackhawk assault vest. Blackhawk makes the best stuff :D
Boooooo.
It is fine but I would not say it is the best.

[Red]

Great pic , these heros will kill those Iraq sh*t !

woot woot woot

:roll:

Ehm.. werent you there to "liberate" them and bring them "Freedom"?

:lol:

Sorry,

I forgot.. its all about oil.. and how you must kill every single Iraqi so that you can claim its rightfully all yours.. as there is nomore legimate owners left to make their claim on it..

:lol:
Not another one :roll: Why lord?why? :cantbeli:

[seruriermarshal]

Great pic , these heros will kill those Iraq sh*t !

woot woot woot

:roll:

Ehm.. werent you there to "liberate" them and bring them "Freedom"?

:lol:

Sorry,

I forgot.. its all about oil.. and how you must kill every single Iraqi so that you can claim its rightfully all yours.. as there is nomore legimate owners left to make their claim on it..

:lol:

The mission still stands. Either you are with us or against us.
There is 3rd option... stay on a side and watch...

Watch ......who win ?

:roll:

[seruriermarshal]

Great pic , these heros will kill those Iraq sh*t !

woot woot woot

:roll:

Ehm.. werent you there to "liberate" them and bring them "Freedom"?

:lol:

Sorry,

I forgot.. its all about oil.. and how you must kill every single Iraqi so that you can claim its rightfully all yours.. as there is nomore legimate owners left to make their claim on it..

:lol:

Some people only know oil in Iraq . Then they think , everyone like them .

rofl

[Some Guy]

Great pic , these heros will kill those Iraq sh*t !

woot woot woot

:roll:

Ehm.. werent you there to "liberate" them and bring them "Freedom"?

:lol:

Sorry,

I forgot.. its all about oil.. and how you must kill every single Iraqi so that you can claim its rightfully all yours.. as there is nomore legimate owners left to make their claim on it..

:lol:
Man.. I gotta hand it to you- you have my respect and admiration- No matter what the topic of the thread, you still manage to ram in and ****** the same tired old "You silly Americans.." lines...

Me personally? I'd get tired of it after a while..but you just keep going and going.. all day.. all night..

It kinda like watching some guy drop his trousers and begin raping the potato salad at a fancy dinner party..At first its just disgusting. Six hours later, its still disgusting, repulsive and pointless, but you've gotta admire how he can keep it up for so long.

So a tip 'o the hat to you, thread raper!

[Uninen]

rofl

Oh Jeesus, now that blows my mind..

rofl

"raping the potato salad"

Now that is a image, maybe i should try it out?

:P

[squeak]

Thats the thing, with alot of the contractors they have the "SF Look" so naturally people say they are SF when they could be either.

The green dish-dashes are interesting. I like them.

[dumdidum]

Either you are with us or against us. Thoose of us that know our modern history wouldnt take that phrase in our mouths even if our lives depended on it.

[xjym2002]

Great pics!

I asked many times how can one distinguish PMC from SF. Now I know the answer is don't try to. They are SF.

[American Patriot]

Either you are with us or against us. Thoose of us that know our modern history wouldnt take that phrase in our mouths even if our lives depended on it.

If you're not aware, there is a War on Islamist Terrorism going on so keep your history-to-future thinking to yourself. :bash:

[hood]

You could say that phrase for World War 2 also and it would greatly apply.

[Prima]

Some sorta Blackhawk assault vest. Blackhawk makes the best stuff :D

your credibility flew straight out the window ^^

[Kingpin]

How can you call men with guns and military uniforms - civilians? :)
They called - mercs :)

[Samed-ogly]

Cannon fodder

[Jack Mehoff]

How can you call men with guns and military uniforms - civilians? :)
They called - mercs :)

Police officers, that security guy works at the bank, FBI and I also have a firearm. :roll:

[dumdidum]

Either you are with us or against us. Thoose of us that know our modern history wouldnt take that phrase in our mouths even if our lives depended on it.

If you're not aware, there is a War on Islamist Terrorism going on so keep your history-to-future thinking to yourself. :bash:

Yes I am aware and to a higher extent then you seem to be. Do you even know who coined that expression?

Islamist terrror? Why put a religous stamp on it? Most muslims arent terrorists you know. Or maybe you dont.

[hood]

The key word here is Islamist, which is different than just plain Islam or Muslim. Islamists are extremists who's mission is to get the rest of the world to convert to Islam, usually at any cost. If you remember, Bin Laden has at various times mentioned that one of the terms of him stopping his terrorist activities would be if the entire US converted to his form of Islam.

[Hadoken]

what vests do the guy in the last picture, and the guy in the middle of the first picture have.

First Pic:
The guy in the middle is wearing a Tactical Tailor Two Piece MAV + X Harness over some body armour by the looks of it,

Last Pic:
Left guy: BH Strike Plate Carrier w/ BH Strike pouches. Guy on right looks to be wearing a HSG Wasatch + BHI or Paraclete pouches. (I could be mistaken on that one, rather difficult to see)

[Tymi]

That PKM looks like it's brand new, do any of the PMC's use any other weapons than M4's ? The sling on the PKM is definetly not a Iraqi army issue sling. :)

[Saranof]

Either you are with us or against us. Thoose of us that know our modern history wouldnt take that phrase in our mouths even if our lives depended on it.

If you're not aware, there is a War on Islamist Terrorism going on so keep your history-to-future thinking to yourself. :bash:

I suppose islamism is worse than catholic terrorism, or christian terrorism then?

[front]

From "More Limits Sought for Private Security Teams " WP Tuesday, April 13, 2004; Page A15

Many operational details are spelled out only in the contracts between security firms and the companies and government agencies that hire them, according to several private security firms.

The CPA now restricts the weapons private security teams may use to small arms with ammunition as large as 7.62mm and to some other defensive weapons. A Dec. 31 coalition rule spells out circumstances under which security firms can use deadly force, including self-defense, the defense of people or property specified in their contracts, and the defense of civilians.

Coalition contractors and their employees currently are subject to the legal jurisdiction of their parent countries because there is no Iraqi legal system, a CPA order states.

But with the June 30 handover, that condition "becomes a major issue," and "there is not a lot of clarity yet" on what laws will govern security firms, said Mike Baker, chief executive of D.C.-based Diligence LLC, which provides security for both government and private operations in Iraq.

Attempts to coordinate operations between private security firms and the military -- and operations among the companies themselves -- have been underway for months. But that pace has quickened.

* * *
The brutal killings of four American security contractors in Fallujah two weeks ago prompted 13 Democratic senators led by Jack Reed (R.I.), to ask the Defense Department to provide a tally of how many private armed non-Iraqi security personnel are in Iraq. In their letter, the senators said that "security in a hostile fire area is a classic military mission. Delegating this mission to private contractors raises serious questions."

"Policy is way overdue in this area," Reed said.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A6612-2004Apr12.html

[BlackHawk]

:( :( :(

http://www.blackwaterusa.com/

[REMOV]

How can you call men with guns and military uniforms - civilians? They called - mercsNope. There is international definition of mercenary and those guys don't fit under it.


1. A mercenary is any person who:

(a) Is specially recruited locally or abroad in order to fight in an
armed conflict;

(b) Is motivated to take part in the hostilities essentially by the
desire for private gain and, in fact, is promised, by or on behalf of a party
to the conflict, material compensation substantially in excess of that
promised or paid to combatants of similar rank and functions in the armed
forces of that party;

(c) Is neither a national of a party to the conflict nor a resident of
territory controlled by a party to the conflict;

(d) Is not a member of the armed forces of a party to the conflict; and

(e) Has not been sent by a State which is not a party to the conflict on
official duty as a member of its armed forces.

2. A mercenary is also any person who, in any other situation:

(a) Is specially recruited locally or abroad for the purpose of
participating in a concerted act of violence aimed at:

(i) Overthrowing a Government or otherwise undermining the
constitutional order of a State; or

(ii) Undermining the territorial integrity of a State;

(b) Is motivated to take part therein essentially by the desire for
significant private gain and is prompted by the promise or payment of material
compensation;

(c) Is neither a national nor a resident of the State against which such
an act is directed;

(d) Has not been sent by a State on official duty; and

(e) Is not a member of the armed forces of the State on whose territory
the act is undertaken.

[Threelions]

Great photos. This is a fascinating part of the current issues in iraq. I find it amazing that the USA has allowed these guys to ply their trade in iraq. Im still very unsure how this whole business operates, but it is none the less amazing. One question i have is in regards to PMC and the geneva convention. If these guys, who seem to not use uniforms are captured are they allowed the same rights as a regular soldier under the geneva convention? Secondly, everyone is always talking about SF guys anPMC's, its like all PMC guys are ex-SF, but this cant possible be true. So then are the majority of these individuals just ex-squadies?

Cheers

[Liquid]

They have absolutley no right under the Geneva Convention.The Resistance fighters can torture them,mutilate,do any gruesome thing you can think about and basicly won`t break any international law.

[front]

"basicly won`t break any international law"

Could you clarify that please?

cheers

front

[MaDuce]

Remov, all the points you posted match with them.. face the fact: THEY ARE MERC:s.

:petting:

*note*


A mercenary is a soldier who fights for money, regardless of ideological, national or political considerations.

:petting:
They won't fight for Al Qudea or againest their countryies so their are idealogical considerations so they therfore do not fit under your defenition.

They have absolutley no right under the Geneva Convention.The Resistance fighters can torture them,mutilate,do any gruesome thing you can think about and basicly won`t break any international law.
Under your logic they are civilians whitch measn killing and touturing them is still a war crime. They are protecting food and water convoys so they are not enemeny combatents whitch means if they are killed the killers are guilty of murder under local law.

[Uninen]

MERC:s have about as much rights as do have spies.. they can capture them and shoot them in the back of the head if they wish.. without braking any "laws" of course that isnt fair and ****.. but.. :|

[Whistler]

Great pic , these heros will kill those Iraq sh*t !

woot woot woot

:roll:

Ehm.. werent you there to "liberate" them and bring them "Freedom"?

:lol:

Sorry,

I forgot.. its all about oil.. and how you must kill every single Iraqi so that you can claim its rightfully all yours.. as there is nomore legimate owners left to make their claim on it..

:lol:
Man.. I gotta hand it to you- you have my respect and admiration- No matter what the topic of the thread, you still manage to ram in and ****** the same tired old "You silly Americans.." lines...

Me personally? I'd get tired of it after a while..but you just keep going and going.. all day.. all night..

It kinda like watching some guy drop his trousers and begin raping the potato salad at a fancy dinner party..At first its just disgusting. Six hours later, its still disgusting, repulsive and pointless, but you've gotta admire how he can keep it up for so long.

So a tip 'o the hat to you, thread raper!

LMFAO woot

[Whistler]

BTW those aren't mercenaries because they only protect convoys, food, etc (defense) and don't go on offensive operations. They also aren't under the command of the US military.

You can keep calling them mercs if you want but it just means you are a rhetoric spewing moron.

[Aussie E]

Uninen wrote:

MERC:s have about as much rights as do have spies.. they can capture them and shoot them in the back of the head if they wish.. without braking any "laws" of course that isnt fair and ****.. but..
wouldn't shooting anyone (civilian or military) captured (and therefore unarmed) in the back of the head be considered murder in any situation/country? And commiting murder is against the "law" in most countries.

[Jack Mehoff]

MERC:s have about as much rights as do have spies.. they can capture them and shoot them in the back of the head if they wish.. without braking any "laws" of course that isnt fair and ****.. but.. :|

WTF?!!???? :bash:

And you Euro complaining and bitching that us Americans in violation of human rights because terrorists in Cuba couldn't get enough praying time. :roll:

[hood]

They're bodyguards. Their role is purely defensive in nature, not offensive. Treating bodyguards like spies, is like saying it's ok to shoot the security guard who works at the mall.

[Tango-Papa]

They are prolly airsoft.

;)

[Ballistic]

Remov, all the points you posted match with them.. face the fact: THEY ARE MERC:s.

:petting:

*note*


A mercenary is a soldier who fights for money, regardless of ideological, national or political considerations.

:petting:

WTH ?!? They are not mercenaries. They are not their to fight againt anyone in an offensive operation, but provide security and defence for the civilians trying to rebuild Iraq. They dont go out actively looking for a fight I would think. I doubt they have either the resources or the numbers to substantially take the fight to the enemy in offensive operations, plus I dont think they have any armour support. That said, they are MORE than capable (as has recently been proved) of defending themselves against an substantially larger enemy presence if needed.

Mercenaries on the other hand will act in an offensive manner. Will go to a fight and look for a fight.

Mercenaries and these men (PMC's) are completely different. Their roles are completely opposite of each other.

This is IMHO ofcourse.

[James]

Just curious -

How many of you are posting crap based on what you have read and your personal opinions, rather than real knowledge?

Many of the Americans working over there for PMCs are directly or indirectly contracted by the U.S. State Department. At a minimum, they have 4 years of military experience in a combat arms field, and usually much more than that. And for all of you fussing about them being mercenaries, that couldn't be farther from the truth. I bet that the insurgents could pay pretty well with all the missing money of Saadam's that is still floating around, but you don't see any of these guys going turncoat, do you? The high pay is a nice benefit, but I believe that the primary motivation is working alongside friends and doing what they think is right.

Anyway, just a thought.

[ICE_PIC_JAPAN]

Some sorta Blackhawk assault vest. Blackhawk makes the best stuff :D

We are (Best)Vest Friend??

http://www.classic-supplies.com/ICE_RICE_SQUAD/Survival_Game/04.4.11/Pre_Low_Ready.jpg

http://www.classic-supplies.com/ICE_RICE_SQUAD/Survival_Game/04.4.11/04.4.11.html

[front]

3 more pics from same guy:

http://www.thermaldynamics.com/pictures/mstn/Chrisvltor-1.jpg

http://www.thermaldynamics.com/pictures/mstn/Chrisvltor-2.jpg

http://img25.photobucket.com/albums/v74/va_dinger/contract3.jpg

[mack pl]

Cool pics :)

[usa320]

what role do the "prive military contractors" play in the war
do they fight along side soldiers?
do they fight at all?
cuase if they did wouldnt they have to coordinate with american and other troops, then who si to know the success and stuff of their missions?
just be interesting to knwo what they do exactly


They are basically bonified security guards. They are used to defend workers and key sites, thus allowing Military forces to conduct offensive operations instead of guarding banks and hotels.

They work with the CPA and military.

[Uncle Chô]

Thats the thing, with alot of the contractors they have the "SF Look" so naturally people say they are SF when they could be either.
"Some people" including Iraqi opponents.

The problem is they are all dress like that because it makes great impression to their civil customers and because they like to be " part of a group ". They could be easely spot from far away. Always the same SUVs also...

To me, there are caricatures in their dress.

Why don't they blend with the locals with plain clothes (like the SBS/SAS did in Afghanistan), use "normal" every day cars like the one we see in Baghdad's trafic jams?

Nothing offensive but to me this is another "gap" between the locals and the Coalition forces.

Argyll, you've been there, please feel free to give us your feelings about that ;)

[percell_086]

woot yeay blackhawk gear :hug:

GO PMC's, Be safe and do your job great!

Hey isn't argyll a PMC?? woot
Percell

[ibstolidude]

Some sorta Blackhawk assault vest. Blackhawk makes the best stuff :D

your credibility flew straight out the window ^^
um I think the web expresion is - Booyah!

[ZoneOne]

http://www.thermaldynamics.com/pictures/mstn/BAGDHAD4.jpg

Those guys look like they are having fun ... all riding around in the same trucks

http://img25.photobucket.com/albums/v74/va_dinger/contract3.jpg

I.D. those weapons -- they look like M4's but a LOT smaller... looks to be a shorten barrel.

[Argyll]

How does that work with the Civilian Contractors? Are they piad by the US government? And what tasks do they perform that enlisted troops are unable to perform?

These guys could belong to a number of different Security Companies out in Iraq.
Their roles are varied,these guys look like they provide convoy escorts,to the likes of the KBR convoys.
Other companies are employed to do CP/PSD work,and some are providing security for fixed assets ;)


Red I'm not sure where you got that info,currently we use Jordanian Scorpions(AKSU's) and AK47 shorts,the AK's in Iraq belong to Iraq,so they have to be handed back by 30th June handover.
We are currently awaiting M4's with the 10 cm upper reciever as seen in some of these pics,as they are more practical to the PSD roles ;) AFAIK the import thing comes from the Kuwaiti end ;)

[Argyll]

http://www.thermaldynamics.com/pictures/mstn/Chrisvltor-2.jpg

I've seen that tatoo before, at scoff ;)

[OB Kenobi]

Ok, were you just kidding? Cuz that just came out of the blue.

I thought you were another idiot rambling about illegal occupation mercenaries. Carry on.

You own stock in Blackwater Security or something?

[TALOS]

Ok, were you just kidding? Cuz that just came out of the blue.

I thought you were another idiot rambling about illegal occupation mercenaries. Carry on.

You own stock in Blackwater Security or something?
OB, you own stock in Alqueda ventures inc or something?
stupid question for a stupid question.

[Airborneranger4israel]

these guys are basically retired military sf guys who are getting better pay working for blackwater ?

[Argyll]

these guys are basically retired military sf guys who are getting better pay working for blackwater ?


Nope.

Retired ex military yes,not all SF but a lot are ex High Speed dudes.

[Beowulf]

Some sorta Blackhawk assault vest. Blackhawk makes the best stuff :D

your credibility flew straight out the window ^^
um I think the web expresion is - Booyah!

hey what's wrong with blackhawk? :P

[Geezah]

Great pic , these heros will kill those Iraq sh*t !

woot woot woot

:roll:

Ehm.. werent you there to "liberate" them and bring them "Freedom"?

:lol:

Sorry,

I forgot.. its all about oil.. and how you must kill every single Iraqi so that you can claim its rightfully all yours.. as there is nomore legimate owners left to make their claim on it..

:lol:

You're not a member of the "million mum marchers" or "brady bunch " are you, you sound like one of those tree huggers?

[Argyll]

Uninen has been booted from here,along with some other ****e stirrers this week ;)

[ibstolidude]

Some sorta Blackhawk assault vest. Blackhawk makes the best stuff :D

your credibility flew straight out the window ^^
um I think the web expresion is - Booyah!

hey what's wrong with blackhawk? :P
There is nothing wrong with it and depending some of it quite nice, although not my preference.

PS - How'd that strap work on the 20k?
:lol:

You were moving smoking fast till then; even the BagDAD-dy, himself, left you eating his dust - well maybe not dust - perhaps funk is a better word!

[ibstolidude]

these guys are basically retired military sf guys who are getting better pay working for blackwater ?


Nope.

Retired ex military yes,not all SF but a lot are ex High Speed dudes.
but there is always the 1% that slip through the cracks.

Not that I am implying that is how you got the job
I'm not implying; I am out right stating it!
Sorry just fooling around
no, I am not either; you wanker.

;)

[Argyll]

I was a very very fast runner..........does this not mean I was "High Speed"? :P

[benny5405]

You sure thats not Delta ? , they have that Delta force look ;)

I have they are the Canadian Force , isn't it ?

[Argyll]

Benny..................not Canadians ;)

http://img25.photobucket.com/albums/v74/va_dinger/contract3.jpg

Zantar
The upper recievers were specially made for this Security company AFAIK,by a company called MSTN.

[benny5405]

[quote="Argyll"]Benny..................not Canadians ;)

But they are not useing the M4A1 , they are use like C8 ... look at that iron sight ...

http://www.thermaldynamics.com/pictures/mstn/BAGDHAD6.jpg

[Argyll]

The upper recievers are specifically made for this Team Benny ;)

[benny5405]

The upper recievers are specifically made for this Team Benny ;)

u mean Detla force have a team specific use C8 ?

[big_les]

The upper recievers are specifically made for this Team Benny ;)

u mean Detla force have a team specific use C8 ?

Yeesh. They are *not* C8s mate, they're *custom made* for this team by a US company. Check out the links. Hell, here's a direct one.

http://www.mstn.biz/Uppers_Main.asp

Edit - And they aren't FREAKING DELTA!!!!!!!

[cqbrdy]

22 months left b4 i apply to blkwtr or other security firms.
cool pics keepm coming

[big_les]

22 months left b4 i apply to blkwtr or other security firms.
cool pics keepm coming

As a language specialist presumably?

[cqbrdy]

public relations ;)

[maw]

it's been a while since i posted here. i've been very busy.
the guys in most of the pics are blackwater guys. blackwater is an ex-nsw shop. afaik, the navy actually owns some of buildings on the property.
regarding their individual backgrounds, pmc companies like blackwater and triple canopy were founded by high-speed types. you typically don't apply for a position, don't call them, they'll call you and as such personal relationships have a lot to do with the recruiting strategy. i clearly recognize a couple of them, one of the guys in particular who stands out is ex-nsw and a world class brazilian ju-jitsu player.
types of work - some of these particular guys were involved in the najaf shootout. they were there to protect the najaf cpa hq. there were eight good guys, five of whom were shooters defending against a horde. by the time the dust had settled there were approx. fifty bg bodies outside. the vast majority of the bodies had either syrian or iranian paperwork.
the weapons - some of the pmc companies have channels for operators to get their high speed gear in country. others get their gear once they cross the border from kuwait.
the uppers from mid south are primarily lewis machine and tool (LMT). one interesting tidbit is that guys are typically not bothering with buis's and are instead carrying two carbines (applies to the najaf shootout crew). for example one 10.5" and one 16". for reasons i can't go into, it's hard to get your hands on a good .308 (mk11, ar10, etc) so most are making do with .223, it's also tricky to get your hands on unconventional gear like a semi 12 gauge (exceptional social tool for urban environments).
blackhawk - i don't care for their gear much personally, but the main reason folks seem to dismiss them is because of their marketing approach and the fact a lot of their gear is made in VIETNAM.

[Argyll]

Most of the BSC guys I've seen,seem to prefer the STRIKE web gear,with all the Gucci attachments. ;)
Some other US Companies wear the TACV10 variants.
Most of the Brits don't wear any web gear they're more covert than overt,prefering to wear mostly Royal Robbins vests(which I have )spare ammo etc is carried in a grab bag.

The guys who are overt are more likely to be the Convoy Protection,and fixed assets type of guys,the coverts are the PSD/CP teams.I know my company does not like weapons to be visible at all when not actually on task,so our shirts are pulled out when going to eat.
No fancy thigh rigs for us ;).
Some civvy clients are not too thrilled to see you leap out the motors guns at the ready,looking like you wanna "cap some ass",as it draws unneccesary attention to yourself,so we as a rule don't practice this,we remain low key but ready to rumble if needs be ;)

[Colt45]

You sure thats not Delta ? , they have that Delta force look ;)

ummm, no..... Guys in the unit dont formally wear fatigues, neither do they travel in large quantities as shown above...

[MVSpartan117]

I hate when people assume someone cool is delta! :fork:


Great pics

[ChuckThunder]

I hate when people assume someone cool is delta! :fork:


Great pics

I wouldn't lose sleep over it...

[Delta Niner]

A golden AK, I bet a lot of guys out there would like to have one on their collection.....

[Khabbi]

geeez , dident you see the winkin Emoticons " ;) "

cant even make a joke befor somebody says your a delta freak

thats it , im quiting Delta Force and this forum ;)


Did you see the wink this time ?

;) ;) ;) :D

[MVSpartan117]

I'm sorry i had a crappy day and the forum seemed like a good place to vent my anger :lol:

sorry :petting:

[reverence]

Most big name companies are extremely selective about who they employ. There are however a lot of smaller 'cowboy' PMC's who will hire anyone with basic police/military/security training.Be careful who you work for or you may be hung out to dry in regards to proper in theatre build up, pay whilst there and evac/treatment/compo if injured.In addition to this if things do go pearshaped you want to know you are working with blokes who know what they are doing and wont cut and run on you. A lot of guys go there with one company and are then head hunted by other companies when in country by word of mouth.So if you are getting messed about by one for pay etc or get off the plane and are given an AK with 2 mags and sent straight out on a detail go work for another.Not all PMC's are ex SF. There are guys there from regular run of the mill units. A general guide if trying to work out if a guy is a civvy contractor or some 'high speed SF dude' is to suss their comms rigs(if you know what you are looking for) and the the absence of PEQ's etc on weapons.(or if they are kneeling exposed in the middle of the street with a tricked up rifle in each hand styling up hee hee)

[cqbrdy]

@maw

you typically don't apply for a position, don't call them, they'll call you
and as such personal relationships have a lot to do with the recruiting strategy.have you done any research on this subject? or are u just shooting from the hip? :cantbeli:


dam it hate it when that happens :cantbeli:

[reverence]

cqbrdy
Are you attributing that quote to me or saying that I agree with what was said in that quote as I never said that? I didnt specifically mention people are recruited only by word of mouth although they often are while many others send in their resumes and go through an extensive interview/vetting process.(but i think you already know this).In answer to your question,which I think is implying I think that PMC's only recruit by word of mouth(Why I dont know) my answer is of course not. And by the way- No I'm not shooting from the hip as it appears you just did-or was it a negligent discharge?Try this next time wait for the READY..UP! then-tgt-forsight-rearsight-forsight-forsight-squeeze the trigger dont slap it you might be on target the next time you fire a round at someone.

does that answer your question????

[ChuckThunder]

cqbrdy
Are you attributing that quote to me or saying that I agree with what was said in that quote as I never said that? I didnt specifically mention people are recruited only by word of mouth although they often are while many others send in their resumes and go through an extensive interview/vetting process.(but i think you already know this).In answer to your question,which I think is implying I think that PMC's only recruit by word of mouth(Why I dont know) my answer is of course not. And by the way- No I'm not shooting from the hip as it appears you just did-or was it a negligent discharge?Try this next time wait for the READY..UP! then-tgt-forsight-rearsight-forsight-forsight-squeeze the trigger dont slap it you might be on target the next time you fire a round at someone.

does that answer your question????

He made a mistake and quoted what maw said, but used your name.

[cqbrdy]

:cantbeli:
i meant maw

a funny side note
....to be sure you hit the target...
shoot first,
then call what ever you hit the target!

[Colt45]

geeez , dident you see the winkin Emoticons " ;) "

cant even make a joke befor somebody says your a delta freak

thats it , im quiting Delta Force and this forum ;)


Did you see the wink this time ?

;) ;) ;) :D

You really are a delta freak but you want us to assume you arent. And no, no winking here.

[Nizark]

I dont see how those guys could be American civilian contractors...the CPA says that they cant bring in country American made guns, but they can buy them and anything else they need from the locals....it was in the article where the contractors held up sean penn for a BS security check

[ibstolidude]

I dont see how those guys could be American civilian contractors...the CPA says that they cant bring in country American made guns, but they can buy them and anything else they need from the locals....it was in the article where the contractors held up sean penn for a BS security checkthey can be "imported" into to surrounding countries and transfered - ask Argyll he may have a better read. I only posted my understanding. Live by the gouge, die by it. I would not hold that article as "gospel".

[Scottie]

Reminds me of the movie "Mcbains Final Mission," where a bunch of Ex-Military men, set out on a mission to save their friend....in the middle of a war.. :roll: |

[new zealander]

Hi this picture has been posted in a new zealand news paper this morning and it claims he is a former new zealand sas member. And he has asked to be called steve .

http://www.thermaldynamics.com/pictures/mstn/BAGDHAD2.jpg

[ZeroPositive]

love the photos it is well cool seeing half civvy half military gear guys with huge ass guns running about :D
excellent post!

[American Patriot]

I love that PKM photo. I wonder if the PMCs get used to living in such a strange environment.

[reverence]

cqbrdy
no worries
we're cool then :)

[ZeroPositive]

all we need is some guy to say those guys are wearing oakleys they MUST BE DELTA :D LOL
sorry just woke up and remembered my friend telling me this quote...

[maw]

sorry, been away from a pc.

all i know is from what i've been told. i know one guy working for triple canopy right now who is working in the kurdish territories in the north. he was approached for the position. the blackwater guys went off in the beginning, things have probably changed but they were contacted through personal contacts.

the kroll's and kbr's have job postings but that doesn't apply to the guys in these pic's.

cqbrdy - i assume we resolved this offline? take care and good luck. and check out the rogers school:
http://www.rogers-shooting-school.com/
it will open your eyes!

[cqbrdy]

thanx bud :P