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budanski
04-15-2004, 02:04 AM
Marines Use Low-Tech Skill to Kill 100 in Urban Battle
New York Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/15/international/middleeast/15URBA.html)

By JEFFREY GETTLEMAN
Published: April 15, 2004

FALLUJA, Iraq, April 14 — American forces killed more than 100 insurgents on Tuesday in close combat in a small village in central Iraq, Marine commanders said Wednesday.

The battle, classic urban combat that raged for 14 hours, was one of the heaviest engagements since the invasion of Iraq last year. It showed not only the intensity of the resistance but an acute willingness among insurgents to die.
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"A lot of these guys were souped up on jihad," said Lt. Col. B. P. McCoy, commander of the Fourth Battalion, Third Marines. "They might as well been suicide fighters."

Marines fought house to house, roof to roof, doorway to doorway. They repelled attacks of machine-gun fire, volleys of rockets and repeated charges by masked fighters, Colonel McCoy said. Two marines were shot but their injuries were not life-threatening.

The fighting erupted in Karma, six miles northeast of Falluja, during a search-and-destroy mission.

"They hit us with everything they had," Cpl. Tom Conroy said. "This is a whole other world. The hostility is no longer hard stares or dirty looks. It's gunfire."

The fighting in and around Falluja is a throwback to a kind of urban warfare that most marines know only from the movies. It is the grueling, costly conflict American generals were bracing for when they invaded Iraq last year but have not seen on this scale until now.

And it does not look as if it is letting up, even though United States forces declared a cease-fire five days ago to allow Iraqi negotiators time to reach a peace accord with insurgents. No deal has been reached, and fighting continues, often from just across the street.

Marine commanders say the enemy in Falluja is increasingly well organized. On Wednesday morning, 15 fighters mounted a coordinated assault on marines who were stretched thin across a corner of the city. Marines lying on their stomachs along dark rooftops repelled the fighters, but only after calling in helicopter gunships.

Some insurgents have been spotted wearing Iraqi police flak jackets, originally supplied by the Americans. Some also used illumination flares during Wednesday's attack, another first.

"Last night, they were all around us — in front of us, in back of us, everywhere," said Lt. Lewis Langella, who commands a squad of snipers and infantry on Falluja's outskirts. "They were throwing a whole lot of lead at us, and we were throwing a whole lot back."

For the past week, marines have been fortifying positions across this dusty city of monochromatic tan brick. Even though urban warfare is compact and fluid, there are still front lines — here, a row of rooftops occupied by marines looking down on garbage-strewn streets.

One of the most important tools for this battle comes from the garden shed: sledgehammers. On Wednesday, marines punched "mouseholes," just big enough for gun barrels, in the brick walls of the homes they occupied. They also smashed windows to scatter shards of glass across the front steps.

"It's an early warning system," Capt. Shannon Johnson explained, as he crunched noisily across the glass, "something the old guys taught us."

Nearby, a squad of young men with crewcuts swung heavy hammers under a punishing sun. They were knocking down the low walls along the rooftops so they could move on catwalks from roof to roof.

"This is classic urban warfare," said Maj. Gen. Jim Mattis, commander of the First Marine Division. "It's all the stuff World War II taught us, along with Korea, Vietnam and Somalia. People will be studying Falluja for years to come."

The weaponry — mostly low-tech, like machine guns and mortars — is also reminiscent of earlier wars. There have been a few guided-missile attacks from the air. But Falluja is so densely populated — 300,000 people in only a few square miles — that commanders have been reluctant to call in airstrikes.

"And we don't want to rubblize the city," said Colonel McCoy, whose battalion of 800 clashes daily with insurgents. "That will give the enemy more places to hide."

Every night the quiet is shattered by the constant whoosh-bang, whoosh-bang of mortars, the loud whoosh as the shell blasts out of the tube and the thunderous bang when the shell slams into the ground. Two marines were injured Wednesday during a mortar attack on their base at the outskirts of the city.

Falluja, 35 miles west of Baghdad, is predominantly Sunni Muslim, and it was closely tied to Saddam Hussein through tribal alliances. The town has been intensely anti-American since the invasion of Iraq.

Two weeks ago, insurgents here ambushed and killed four American security consultants and a mob dragged their bodies through the streets. That attack precipitated the marines' assault, which seemed to make Falluja even more anti-occupation, anti-American than ever.

"It's their Super Bowl," said Maj. T. V. Johnson, a Marine spokesman. "Falluja is the place to go if you want to kill Americans."


http://graphics7.nytimes.com/images/2004/04/15/international/urban.184.1.650.jpg

U.S. marines patrolling the roofs of Falluja, where fighting persisted yesterday despite a cease-fire called by the Americans five days ago.

http://graphics7.nytimes.com/images/2004/04/15/international/urban2.jpg

Marines have occupied several of the taller houses in Falluja as spotting posts to find snipers.

FallenAngel
04-15-2004, 02:16 AM
SEMPER FI Marines! :D

Obergefreiter
04-15-2004, 02:36 AM
Low tech skill my butt. It is training verses emotion in this battle.

ForceReaper
04-15-2004, 03:20 AM
My Marines have been kickin ass for 227 years nothing new here.
No worse enemy no better friend.

Ballistic
04-15-2004, 03:33 AM
Awesome stuff Marines, keep up the good work.

cold0
04-15-2004, 03:56 AM
"It's their Super Bowl," said Maj. T. V. Johnson, a Marine spokesman. "Falluja is the place to go if you want to kill Americans."

Fallula is the place to go if they want to die!!!!

Kudod, Marines!!!!

seruriermarshal
04-15-2004, 04:04 AM
"It's their Super Bowl," said Maj. T. V. Johnson, a Marine spokesman. "Falluja is the place to go if you want to kill Americans."

Fallula is the place to go if they want to die!!!!

Kudod, Marines!!!!

Freedom will win , Kill those Iraq terrorist !

dacanadianbomb
04-15-2004, 05:28 AM
I guess this is the benefit of training+lessons learnt. Very well done by the marines, adapt to their situation and use the advantages to make it their enemies disadvantage. Nice move with the glass, they used that idea in MI:1 as well.Although Im sure it had been around a while before that .

The conflict in Iraq will definately bring back a lot of lessons learnt for US soldiers to come.

MaxiMaro
04-15-2004, 05:42 AM
thats my BRO! HORAASHHH!

Marmot1
04-15-2004, 05:42 AM
I guess this is the benefit of training+lessons learnt. Very well done by the marines, adapt to their situation and use the advantages to make it their enemies disadvantage. Nice move with the glass, they used that idea in MI:1 as well.Although Im sure it had been around a while before that .

The conflict in Iraq will definately bring back a lot of lessons learnt for US soldiers to come.

Yeah but it is very expensive tutoriual.... billions of $ and lot's of lives

Imshi-Yallah
04-15-2004, 06:05 AM
It was militarily very stupid of the insurgents to try and play a conventional fighting force at their own game, they were always going to lose but they'll get plenty of propaganda mileage out of it.

Obergefreiter
04-15-2004, 09:53 AM
I guess this is the benefit of training+lessons learnt. Very well done by the marines, adapt to their situation and use the advantages to make it their enemies disadvantage. Nice move with the glass, they used that idea in MI:1 as well.Although Im sure it had been around a while before that .

The conflict in Iraq will definately bring back a lot of lessons learnt for US soldiers to come.

Yeah but it is very expensive tutoriual.... billions of $ and lot's of lives

Unfortunatly war is like that most of the time. :(

dacanadianbomb
04-15-2004, 09:55 AM
Yes Marmot01

The benefits never outweigh the costs of military lessons learnt.

Hopefully the lessons learnt will be implemented to save lifes in the future.

Irish_Man
04-15-2004, 06:18 PM
Presley O'Bannon would be proud.

God Bless.

Take Care.

Semper Fi. :)

Ratamacue
04-15-2004, 06:21 PM
Semper Fi, Marines. woot

Seraphim
04-15-2004, 06:25 PM
http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20040412/capt.jbm10704121629.iraq_jbm107.jpg

U.S. Marines from the 1st Battalion 5th Marine Regiment knock in a door while conducting a house to house search for weapons and insurgents in Fallujah, Iraq (news - web sites) Monday, April 12, 2004. (AP Photo/John Moore)

talib_killa34
04-15-2004, 06:31 PM
The perfect war: They want to die and the marines want to kill 'em!

:bash:


Forgot the exact quote but that's from "The March Up".

Great book!!!!!!!


OORAH!!!!

snake_eater
04-15-2004, 06:39 PM
The perfect war: They want to die and the marines want to kill 'em!

:bash:


Forgot the exact quote but that's from "The March Up".

Great book!!!!!!!


OORAH!!!!

I will have to check it out.

shrek
04-15-2004, 07:02 PM
As always with any Marines that I have known: Semper Gumbi (forever flexible)

Still kickin' ass and takin' names!


You go boys, take names and come back to us!

Abolith
04-15-2004, 07:10 PM
When I was in the Navy it was the Marines who were there saving my ass from a crashed chopper.

My hat will alwasy be off to them.

Spearin
04-15-2004, 09:50 PM
Using low-tech skills and *gasp* succeeding? Geez... what have I been saying all this time (British Officer condemning US Actions, and other similar Fallujah threads)...

This is the way to do it.

Aussie E
04-15-2004, 09:58 PM
The "low tech" approach seems to be working! That Sistani bastard went from all mighty to let's negotiate when he relized that this isn't Clinton's cut and run policy he was facing but a determined bunch of Marines! I know he's not up in Falluja but somewhere in Najef, but I think he got the idea that the US wasn't playing this time round.

Spearin
04-15-2004, 10:03 PM
People may marvel over the awesome firepower and 'precision' of an Apache Helicopter or F-16... but it is the Infantry soldier or a Marine who perform the best.

You may lose men, but you will achieve victory this way rather than using all of the high-tech arsenal. Saves money and can minimize collateral damage, which should be a cruical priority for the Americans in order to win the hearts and minds of the Iraqis and reduce the support for the insurgents.

Brozozo
04-15-2004, 10:04 PM
Get some Devildogs!!! Ooooohh-Raaaahhh!!! Semper Fi!!

Salty Dog
04-15-2004, 10:10 PM
GET SOME!

Falco
04-15-2004, 10:15 PM
Hat's off to them

talib_killa34
04-15-2004, 10:36 PM
The "low tech" approach seems to be working! That Sistani bastard went from all mighty to let's negotiate when he relized that this isn't Clinton's cut and run policy he was facing but a determined bunch of Marines! I know he's not up in Falluja but somewhere in Najef, but I think he got the idea that the US wasn't playing this time round.

You would think that after Bush, Rummy, Franks, Bremer all say:

" We will stay the course in Iraq"

That is exactly what the USA will do, why think otherwise???????

"GIVE IN TO YOUR ANGER>>>>>" :fork:


P.S I nominate Brozozo's avatar for the
"Greatest Avatar of All Time" award. :P

Brozozo
04-15-2004, 10:45 PM
*bow*

I just want to thank my producer for always... :lol:

talib_killa34
04-15-2004, 11:04 PM
*bounce*
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*bounce*
*bounce*
*bounce*
*bounce*
*bounce*
*bounce*
*bounce* ad infinitum!

usa320
04-15-2004, 11:08 PM
HELL YEAH.

talib_killa34
04-15-2004, 11:12 PM
HELL YEAH.

Why do you think my eyes are like that? :P

ForceReaper
04-15-2004, 11:21 PM
http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20040412/capt.jbm10704121629.iraq_jbm107.jpg

U.S. Marines from the 1st Battalion 5th Marine Regiment knock in a door while conducting a house to house search for weapons and insurgents in Fallujah, Iraq (news - web sites) Monday, April 12, 2004. (AP Photo/John Moore) Get Some!!!! That is my old unit among others but when I was in the Infantry this was my favorite Bn except for my Recon unit. The 5th Marines are the most decorated regiment in the history of the Marine Corps and very proud to have served and fought with this warrior battallion. Semper Fi Devil Dogs

BTW I served with a guy you all know as triggerpuller I took over his protective detail in Mexico so he could hit the sand box

Maine Finn
04-15-2004, 11:33 PM
BTW I served with a guy you all know as triggerpuller I took over his protective detail in Mexico so he could hit the sand box

And how is TP these days? Haven't heard from him in awhile. Best wishes for a safe return, at any rate!

RomanS
04-15-2004, 11:43 PM
Good job guys

MetalBoy
04-16-2004, 01:16 AM
[quote] Get Some!!!! That is my old unit among others but when I was in the Infantry this was my favorite Bn except for my Recon unit. The 5th Marines are the most decorated regiment in the history of the Marine Corps and very proud to have served and fought with this warrior battallion. Semper Fi Devil Dogs

BTW I served with a guy you all know as triggerpuller I took over his protective detail in Mexico so he could hit the sand box

Am I correct in deducing that you are a Socnet infiltrator (AKA: Southoftheborder) sent by TP (AKA:Sgt. Rock) to keep an eye on us unruly sorts while he is away having all the fun?

Welcome and have fun, we can be a pretty tough crowd to put up with. It took a while for us to tame TP, but the females helped in this quite a bunch.

MetalBoy
04-16-2004, 02:24 AM
Anyone else catch this, it was buried in a AP report from Iraq today.


After relative peace during the day, gunfire and explosions resumed after sundown Thursday — as they have nightly as Sunni insurgents and Marines exchange fire over relatively fixed positions.

Marines were broadcasting messages by loudspeaker in the city to agitate insurgents, announcing "You are cowards for hiding behind women and children. Come out and fight," and blaring heavy metal music, including AC/DC's "Shoot to Thrill," said Marine Lt. Col. Brennan Byrne.
Nothing better than good old rock and roll to get those Iraqis pissed off. Who says Rock And Roll Ain't Noise Pollution? I'm sure the Iraqis think so. :lol: For Those About to Rock, We Salute You! :cantbeli:

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000002JS6.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

ForceReaper
04-16-2004, 02:27 AM
[quote] Get Some!!!! That is my old unit among others but when I was in the Infantry this was my favorite Bn except for my Recon unit. The 5th Marines are the most decorated regiment in the history of the Marine Corps and very proud to have served and fought with this warrior battallion. Semper Fi Devil Dogs

BTW I served with a guy you all know as triggerpuller I took over his protective detail in Mexico so he could hit the sand box

Am I correct in deducing that you are a Socnet infiltrator (AKA: Southoftheborder) sent by TP (AKA:Sgt. Rock) to keep an eye on us unruly sorts while he is away having all the fun?

Welcome and have fun, we can be a pretty tough crowd to put up with. It took a while for us to tame TP, but the females helped in this quite a bunch.Negative Iam not him. I do frequent Socnet though. I have known K.C.(tp) for 18 yrs and can say that no woman will ever tame him but that is pretty funny.He has really helped me and my family out the last few years something that you just wouldnt expect from a guy like him,he is a wildman,great guy in a TEAM environment but not a guy you want to turn on.
Who are you on Socnet? I will admit I was sent by him to watch this farmgirl lady even though im married.hahaha Have a nice day

Trigger
04-16-2004, 02:29 AM
1. Great article budanski, thanks!

2. Welcome aboard ForceReaper. Glad to have you along. woot

MetalBoy
04-16-2004, 02:43 AM
Sorry bout the negative ID, I'm not a very good gumshoe. And you have quite the boots to fill with TP gone off for a while, without him we have nobody to keep us numbskulls in our place.

Oh and I just lurk the boards over at Socnet, I'm just a college student for now.

budanski
04-16-2004, 08:41 AM
1. Great article budanski, thanks!

No Prob, Trigmeister. I do my best to... how do they say, "copy-paste" in french again? ;)

Ballistic
04-16-2004, 09:40 AM
Anyone else catch this, it was buried in a AP report from Iraq today.


After relative peace during the day, gunfire and explosions resumed after sundown Thursday — as they have nightly as Sunni insurgents and Marines exchange fire over relatively fixed positions.

Marines were broadcasting messages by loudspeaker in the city to agitate insurgents, announcing "You are cowards for hiding behind women and children. Come out and fight," and blaring heavy metal music, including AC/DC's "Shoot to Thrill," said Marine Lt. Col. Brennan Byrne.
Nothing better than good old rock and roll to get those Iraqis pissed off. Who says Rock And Roll Ain't Noise Pollution? I'm sure the Iraqis think so. :lol: For Those About to Rock, We Salute You! :cantbeli:

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000002JS6.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

Hahaha awesome !! woot :D

Maine Finn
04-16-2004, 11:35 AM
Negative Iam not him. I do frequent Socnet though. I have known K.C.(tp) for 18 yrs and can say that no woman will ever tame him but that is pretty funny.He has really helped me and my family out the last few years something that you just wouldnt expect from a guy like him,he is a wildman,great guy in a TEAM environment but not a guy you want to turn on.
Who are you on Socnet? I will admit I was sent by him to watch this farmgirl lady even though im married.hahaha Have a nice day

:D

It's his fault I joined SOCNET. I do like it over there, a lot less BS to wade through to find the good posts.

JMooch
04-16-2004, 11:57 AM
Metalboy,
I dig the AC/DC cover. During our assault into Al Kut we had Highway to Hell blasting from the PsyOps speakers. Brings back memories!

ForceReaper,
Good to see another SOCNET'er over here with TP out and about.

Lastly,
My brother Marines are squeezing Fallujah like a big f**king nasty zit and that bitch is going to bust soon!
Keep it up boys. Keep the pressure on and kill all of those f**kers!

S/F
Mooch

farmgirl
04-16-2004, 12:53 PM
[quote] Get Some!!!! That is my old unit among others but when I was in the Infantry this was my favorite Bn except for my Recon unit. The 5th Marines are the most decorated regiment in the history of the Marine Corps and very proud to have served and fought with this warrior battallion. Semper Fi Devil Dogs

BTW I served with a guy you all know as triggerpuller I took over his protective detail in Mexico so he could hit the sand box

Am I correct in deducing that you are a Socnet infiltrator (AKA: Southoftheborder) sent by TP (AKA:Sgt. Rock) to keep an eye on us unruly sorts while he is away having all the fun?

Welcome and have fun, we can be a pretty tough crowd to put up with. It took a while for us to tame TP, but the females helped in this quite a bunch.Negative Iam not him. I do frequent Socnet though. I have known K.C.(tp) for 18 yrs and can say that no woman will ever tame him but that is pretty funny.He has really helped me and my family out the last few years something that you just wouldnt expect from a guy like him,he is a wildman,great guy in a TEAM environment but not a guy you want to turn on.
Who are you on Socnet? I will admit I was sent by him to watch this farmgirl lady even though im married.hahaha Have a nice day


It's nice to know TP is such a gentleman... sending me my own personal CP guy. I have to say... making friends with the men around here was the best move I ever made. If I'm ever in trouble... I've got contacts all over the world now.... ;) Welcome FR... :D So are you gonna tell us who you are at Socnet... or are you gonna keep us guessing?
p-)

Haiw
04-16-2004, 01:02 PM
Welcome FR... BTW MetalBoy we never tamed TP, we just bring out the nice guy that's hidden in him. :D ;)