Help Needed with Mp44 Picture !

[King_Cobra]

http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/3158/mp44zf4201vb3.jpg

This is the first picture of a MP44 that I have ever seen with a Scope !

Was this standard issue ?
Which scope is that ?

Thanks in advance !

[Lau]

Wow, nice find...

Scops were not (to my knowledge) standard issue...

2?

[Lazy Lob]

Howzaboot this?

http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/152/stg44vampyrom1.jpg

[Macs.]

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[Uncle Chô]

Are you sure this picture is genuine and from WWII? Do you have any proof from a serious book and not the Internet?

I don't know a lot of things about rifle, submachine guns and scopes but something goes wrong with this image (the setting, the position, the soldier's face, the light, the backdrop)... It is too "modern" to me. Strange feeling...

:|

[Lazarou]

The pic is not a fake. It was taken at the sniper training facility in Doberitz, Elsgrund. However, the weapon was never fielded in this configuration (Zeiss ZF4 + special scope mount).

The same soldier with a G43:

http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/8312/g43sniperba9.jpg

Hmm, déjà vu:

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=87907

;)

[King_Cobra]

Are you sure this picture is genuine and from WWII? Do you have any proof from a serious book and not the Internet?

I don't know a lot of things about rifle, submachine guns and scopes but something goes wrong with this image (the setting, the position, the soldier's face, the light, the backdrop)... It is too "modern" to me. Strange feeling...

:|

Dear Uncle Cho,

I don't think this is a Fake pic :) I got this from Axis History Forum...

[Macs.]

Howzaboot this?

http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/152/stg44vampyrom1.jpg

Leitz ZF1229 "Vampir". Only around 300 had been delivered.

[He219]

Are you sure this picture is genuine and from WWII? Do you have any proof from a serious book and not the Internet?

I don't know a lot of things about rifle, submachine guns and scopes but something goes wrong with this image (the setting, the position, the soldier's face, the light, the backdrop)... It is too "modern" to me. Strange feeling...

:|

Zielfernrohr ZF-4, used also on the Gewehr 43 and FG-42
http://www.snipercountry.com/Articles/HistoricSniperScopes_GwZF4fach.asp
;)

[Uncle Chô]

Dear Uncle Cho,

I don't think this is a Fake pic :) I got this from Axis History Forum...
Ach so! Einverstanden, es tutt mir leid...

;-)

[He219]

Naja, macht nichts mein Freund!
:)



Diese Entscheidung beschleunigte die weitere Entwicklung der Waffe. So entstand zum Beispiel die Modifikation MP 43/1, auf die ein Schie?echer sowie das Zielfernrohr ZF-4 mit vierfacher Vergr?ung montiert werden konnte. Ferner war die Anbringung des Nachtvisiers ZF.1229 ("Vampir") m?ch. Diese sollen in Berlin 1945 eingesetzt worden sein. Bei Kriegsende befand sich der Schiessbecher auf dem Sturmgewehr 44 in D?itz noch in der Erprobung. Es konnten Probleme mit dem Schiessbechervisier und der Reichweite bzw. Treffergenauigkeit nicht gel?werden. Da der Schiessbecher hervorragend mit dem K 98 funktionierte, bestand auch keine Notwendigkeit der schnellen Entwicklung. source (http://www.blinkbits.com/de_wikifeeds/MP43)

[Freibier]

Just for the heck of it, brand new semi-auto BD44 (http://www.ssd-weapon.com/produkte/bd44/bd44.htm) with Zielvier
http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/8569/bd44z4linksgrossny1.gif

[King_Cobra]

Thank You Guys...:)

I think I got all my Answers....

[Lazy Lob]

Macs u got schematics? p-)

http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/2554/nachtjager1la6.jpg



http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/3945/celownik01uv0.jpg

http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/1692/317961rlu3.jpg

http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/6149/celownik05ar7.jpg

All here: http://www.stg.online.pl/

[alfigel]

Leitz ZF1229 "Vampir". Only around 300 had been delivered.

Did I get it right that the Leitz ZF1229 "Vampir" is a Generation 0 image intensifier?

[Reocid]

Did I get it right that the Leitz ZF1229 "Vampir" is a Generation 0 image intensifier?

From othersite found this:

ZG 1229 Vampir

Produced by AEG, RPF and Leitz. An active night-vision sighting device or Zielgerät — hence the ZG designator — for the StG 44 assault rifle. It had a Bildwandler built around the Type 128 diode lamp, with focal length of 750 mm and 2 deg field of view at the maximum active range of ca. 100 m. Coupled with it was a Scheinwerfer of 100 mm (125 mm in other sources) diameter and 36W power. The sighting component of the device weighed in at 2,25 kg, which was far from the total burden the user had to bear to enjoy the convenience of precisely-aimed shooting at night.

One also had to carry the 13,5 kg wooden cased battery for the Scheinwerfer, not to mention the second battery for the Bildwandler, fitted inside the gas mask container and slung across the back. The Sturmgewehr 44 had to be specially fitted with mounting lugs for the ZG 1229 Vampir, and these modifications were made at the weapon's main production plant, C. G. Haenel at Suhl. First used in combat in February 1945.

http://www.divine-salamis.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=1037&sid=2ec0861c0e8080106d3277f1da6b878e
(http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=2117800)

[supercontra]

Also used on FG-42
http://gotavapen.se/gota/artiklar/fg42/fg42_m3_01hw.jpg
http://gotavapen.se/gota/artiklar/fg42/fg42_m3_01w.jpg
http://gotavapen.se/gota/artiklar/fg42/fg42_m3_zf4w.jpg
Don't know if combo was fielded or just tested.

Edit: From guns.ru "All FG-42 rifles also had integral dovetail, which accepted mounts for ZF-41 optical scope." so it seems to at least have been used to some extent.

[phasio]

wow that some uber cool weapons