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AK-Lover
11-29-2006, 05:32 PM
Pope Benedict XVI has met Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew I in Turkey, on the second day of a landmark visit to the largely Muslim country.

The Istanbul talks with the spiritual leader of the world's Orthodox Christians aimed to heal an old rift.

Earlier, the Pope held Mass near a shrine to the Virgin Mary in the ancient western city of Ephesus.

The four-day visit to Turkey has been overshadowed by comments the Pope made in September about Islam.

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The meeting with Bartholomew - who heads a community of some 250 million Christians around the world - was the original reason for the pontiff's decision to travel to Turkey.


PAPAL TRIP
# 29 Nov: Goes to Ephesus to celebrate mass at site where Virgin Mary believed to have died
# Goes to Istanbul to meet Patriarch Bartholomew I, spiritual leader of the Orthodox Church, for first of series of encounters
1 Dec: Visits Haghia Sophia (6th Century Byzantine church converted into mosque in 1453, then transformed into museum in 1935) and Blue Mosque

In pictures: Pope in Ephesus
Divisions cloud Pope talks
Preaching to the unconverted

The two leaders began their meeting by holding a joint prayer service at the St George Church in Istanbul.

The two ancient branches of Christianity - the Eastern and the Western rites - split nearly 1,000 years ago over disputes including papal authority.

In Istanbul, Benedict will also meet faith leaders and visit the city's famous Blue Mosque. He is also scheduled to lead Mass in a cathedral.

Istanbul was once Constantinople - the centre of the Byzantine empire, but now the largest city in a secular Turkish republic.

Pilgrimage

The service in Ephesus was the only open-air Mass Pope Benedict was to say in Turkey, for a congregation of some 500 Catholics brought to the shrine by special invitation.

Nuns greet Pope Benedict XVI as he arrives in Ephesus
The Pope was in Ephesus to visit a shrine to the Virgin Mary
The Pope visited the small stone house set in the lush green hillside where the Virgin Mary is thought to have spent her last days.

It is visited every year by tens of thousands of pilgrims.

He also honoured the memory of a Roman Catholic priest who was killed amid Muslim anger over the publication of caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad.

"Let us sing joyfully, even when we're tested by difficulties and dangers, as we have learned from the fine witness given by the Roman priest John Andrea Santoro, whom I am pleased to recall in this celebration," he said.


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It's such a shame that the Pope's visit was overshadowed by protests before his arrival
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There is only a tiny Catholic community left in Turkey and many in the congregation were foreigners who live in the country and some had travelled from the Mediterranean coast for the occasion.

Call for dialogue

On Tuesday, Pope Benedict called for an "authentic dialogue" between Christians and Muslims in a speech at Turkey's directorate of religious affairs.

He said the exchange must be "based on truth and inspired by a sincere wish to know one another better".


I want to reiterate the solidarity between the cultures - this is our duty
Pope Benedict XVI

Press doubts Pope's motives

The visit has been overshadowed by angry protests by Turkish Muslims.

Tens of thousands of people protested in Istanbul at the weekend, calling on the Pope to stay away or apologise for comments he made about Islam in a speech in September.

Speaking to an academic audience in Germany, the Pope quoted a Byzantine emperor who characterised Islam as a violent religion.

While the Pope insisted the remarks did not reflect his own views, the speech was widely reported and caused anger across the Islamic world.


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Kosovo is an overwhelmingly Muslim province of Serbia, pushing for independence
In Lviv and other western parts of Ukraine, the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church predominates - a church that follows Eastern rites but vows allegiance to Rome
Republika Srpska is the Serb part of Bosnia
Cyprus is divided between the Greek, Orthodox south and the breakaway Turkish, Muslim north

daily666
11-29-2006, 06:38 PM
Well Czechs are not catholic, they're predominantly allergic to any religion. Atheists mostly, and it shows :)

Hyllus
11-29-2006, 07:16 PM
Well Czechs are not catholic, they're predominantly allergic to any religion. Atheists mostly, and it shows :)
Same goes for Albanians... So forget about that map.

AK-Lover
11-29-2006, 09:26 PM
Same goes for Albanians... So forget about that map.

Maybe in Albania. But the Albanians I am familair with are a bit different. Story and map is from BBC.

AK-Lover
11-29-2006, 09:27 PM
Well Czechs are not catholic, they're predominantly allergic to any religion. Atheists mostly, and it shows :)

Serbs are predominantly Orthodox but their not dedicated to going to church every week etc.
The Bosnian Serbs tend to be alot more religious.

Con-man
11-29-2006, 10:20 PM
The split happened nearly a thousand years ago? I remember it happening around Justinian's time.

127th Knights
11-30-2006, 12:32 AM
Serbs are predominantly Orthodox but their not dedicated to going to church every week etc.
The Bosnian Serbs tend to be alot more religious.

Not true....this year church weddings have progressed by over 1000% compared to 2000. I just read in our monthly newsletter that baptism's are up by over 120% and that church attendances are up by over 300%. This is all tracked by the church and mostly shows through their financial records via donations and such...

Igor01
11-30-2006, 09:12 AM
Pope Benedict XVI has met ......
.... with the spiritual leader of the world's Orthodox Christians aimed to heal an old rift.

The Orthodox Christians in Russia would be very suprised to discover that Bartholomew I is their "spiritual leader" :) The ecumenical pursuits of the Pope and the Patriarch have absolutely no backing from the Russian Orthodox Christians, the world's most numerous Orthodox Christian community.

AK-Lover
11-30-2006, 04:34 PM
Not true....this year church weddings have progressed by over 1000% compared to 2000. I just read in our monthly newsletter that baptism's are up by over 120% and that church attendances are up by over 300%. This is all tracked by the church and mostly shows through their financial records via donations and such...

Yes I know this, but the general trend since the early 90's for Serbs in Serbia, was influenced heavily by the Communist hangover.

Ordie
12-01-2006, 01:15 AM
The Orthodox Christians in Russia would be very suprised to discover that Bartholomew I is their "spiritual leader" :) The ecumenical pursuits of the Pope and the Patriarch have absolutely no backing from the Russian Orthodox Christians, the world's most numerous Orthodox Christian community.

You may be right. Unlike the Latins, In the Orthodox tradition, There is no pope and all bishops are equal. Therefore the Russian Orthodox is self governing but spritually considered united with all other churches including Roman Catholics.

But keep in mind, The Patriarch of Constantinople is considered as leader of any ecumenical council if one were to be called. If one were to be called, all Bishops from Rome, Jerusalem, Alexandria, and Antioch (We may include the Russian, Romanian and Serbian Orthodox) must consider the Bishop of Constantinople as "first among equals".

The Pope's concerns are the persecution, discrimination and dwindling numbers of Christians in the Middle East and the Islamic world. Reciprocity has been the key word when he deals with Muslim leaders. My take on his meeting with the Bishop of Constantinople was to pay respect to his authority, address the protection of holy sites in the Levant and pave way for a new Ecumenical Council as a means for reconciliation and address pressing needs in that areas of the world.