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STIG
12-01-2006, 07:54 PM
He was labeled a "hound," a "fool" and one whose "judgment is always at fault." Denigrated as "hopeless when in power," this wartime head of government was scorned as being arrogant, ignorant and just about everything else in between. His strategic judgment was called into question, his military approach was belittled and maligned, and his own generals even mocked him, accusing him of spouting "absurdities" and being oblivious to detail.
Does any of this sound familiar, Mr. Bush? The subject of the vitriol described above was none other than the fearless lion of Britain, Sir Winston Churchill. That's right. The man now credited with saving Western civilization from the Nazi onslaught was the target of ruthless censure and disapproval.
His critics were fierce and unrelenting, but that did not stop this great visionary from seeing beyond the headlines and standing up for what he knew to be right.
The question now is: Will George W. Bush follow in this great man's footsteps? The threat facing the Western world is no less urgent or grave than it was in Churchill's day. Then the Nazi leader spoke openly of murdering the Jews, and of conquering the world. Now the modern-day Hitler of Persia vows to commit genocide and boasts that the West will soon falter and collapse.
The only difference between the two is that while the Fuehrer could merely dream of obtaining an atomic arsenal, the tyrant of Teheran is dangerously close to getting one.
And the only person standing in his way, the one whom God Himself has given the ability to stop him, is none other than the president of the United States.
Without realizing it, we are standing at a defining moment not just for the Bush presidency, but for the future of the entire Jewish people and the Western world itself.
Enormous pressure is being brought to bear on the president to embrace diplomacy as the means for resolving the various crises in the Middle East. In recent months, the president has come under harsh criticism for the conduct of the war in Iraq. The results of the midterm elections earlier this month gave control over both houses of Congress to the Democrats, who will surely push for a more conciliatory approach.
And as The New York Times reported on Monday, the bipartisan Iraq Study Group headed by former US secretary of state James Baker will recommend that Washington engage rogue states such as Iran and Syria and open a dialogue with them. In other words, it is sounding more and more like 1940 all over again.
WHEN WINSTON Churchill took office in May of that year, an emboldened Germany was on the march and the pressure to appease the Nazi dictator was at its peak. The British Foreign Secretary, Lord Halifax, was a firm believer in negotiations, and he wanted nothing more than to reach an understanding with Hitler, in the hope that such a deal would hold.
But Churchill knew that the time for diplomacy had passed. He understood that the Nazis would honor an accord only for as long as it might serve their interests, and that they would not hesitate to break it in order to achieve their destructive, long-term goals.
And so, virtually alone in his belief, Churchill pressed forward, convinced that only by confronting the Nazis could the danger to his country, and the world, be averted once and for all.
At a time when others were busy closing their eyes to the mounting threat, Churchill bravely sounded the alarm and refused to back down, setting the stage not for appeasement, but for victory. It is this approach, and this approach alone, that should guide the US president in the weeks and months ahead. Diplomacy has failed, and sanctions will not deter Mahmoud Ahmadinejad from pursuing his aims. Military force is the only way to prevent the ayatollahs from joining the nuclear club, and time is running out if they are to be stopped.

HE SO-CALLED experts and realists are dead wrong when they predict that military action against Iran would kindle a firestorm throughout the Middle East. Precisely the opposite is true.
The reverberations of putting Iran in its place would be entirely positive, and would be felt throughout the region.
Right now the radicals are emboldened because they sense that America is weak and in retreat. Hence, they feel free to make mischief and continue destabilizing the area.
As a result, Syria did not hesitate to orchestrate the murder last week of the Lebanese industry minister, Pierre Gemayel, and Iran is not shying away from its ongoing pursuit of nuclear weapons.
And all this talk of talking with the bad guys has only served to encourage them still further.
What is needed now is decisive action, and fast, to slap them down and put the radicals back in their place.
A massive American air assault on Iranian nuclear installations would do just the trick. It would not only set back Teheran's atomic ambitions for years to come, but also serve as a resounding display of US will and resolve.
A strike on Iran would amount to a reversal of the Shi'ite surge that is now taking place throughout the region. It would take the wind out of the Iranian leader's apocalyptic sails, and it would have a noticeable impact on the sectarian violence now raging in Iraq, too.
Syria, Hizbullah and others would take notice, and America's ostensible Arab allies - all of whom are Sunni - would certainly welcome a blow against the dangerous Iranian regime. Stopping Iran in its tracks is the great challenge of our day. For the sake of the entire Western world, and the future of the Jewish people, we can only hope and pray that President Bush will rise to the occasion and do what needs to be done.
"Had Britain stopped fighting in May 1940, Hitler would have won his war," wrote historian John Lukacs in Five Days in London. "He was never closer to victory." The same now holds true of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who may be just months, or even weeks away from crossing the nuclear point of no return.It was Churchill himself who once said, "I never worry about action, only inaction." As a result, he led his nation and the civilized world to victory.
Mr. President, may that now become your motto too



source (http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?apage=2&cid=1162378505302&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull)

themacedonian
12-01-2006, 08:44 PM
Great man are great because they learn from their mistakes.

In 1915, Churchill was one of the political and military engineers of the disastrous Gallipoli (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Gallipoli) landings on the Dardanelles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dardanelles) during World War I. Churchill took much of the blame for the fiasco, and, when Prime Minister Asquith formed an all-party coalition government, the Conservatives demanded Churchill's demotion as the price for entry. For several months Churchill served in the sinecure of Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chancellor_of_the_Duchy_of_Lancaster), before resigning from the government, feeling his energies were not being used. He rejoined the army, though remaining an MP, and served for several months on the Western Front (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Front) commanding a battalion of the Royal Scots Fusiliers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Scots_Fusiliers). During this period, his second in command was a young Archibald Sinclair (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archibald_Sinclair%2C_1st_Viscount_Thurso) who would later lead the Liberal Party.

By the way Churchill was responsible for provoking Turkey into a war in the first place as a necessary step in the process of liberation of Palestine (i.e Israel).

The article is written from an Israeli point of view any way.

budgie
12-02-2006, 06:25 AM
So instead of whining about 'staying the course' Churchill showed a commitment to change when he made mistakes? Flip-flopper.

XShipRider
12-02-2006, 08:14 AM
A single bomb falls on Iran and the Islamic world just might decide
America is trying to extinguish their religion.

Iran drops a nuke anywhere and things might be viewed differently.
But unless, if or when that happens there should be no attack.

Steel21
12-02-2006, 09:25 AM
The question now is: Will George W. Bush follow in this great man's footsteps? The threat facing the Western world is no less urgent or grave than it was in Churchill's day. Then the Nazi leader spoke openly of murdering the Jews, and of conquering the world. Now the modern-day Hitler of Persia vows to commit genocide and boasts that the West will soon falter and collapse.

The threat to the world is FAR LESS urgent and grave! How many divisions can Osama muster?

Yes, Hitler was definitely scum, but that a problem for the Jews. Civilizations, cultures and entire races come and go throughout history, why are they any different?

Every generation see themselves at the fore front of catyclismic change and defining struggle. And rightly so, since they are alive and want to preserve some sense of their existence.

However, given enough time, all returns to a certain equilibrium. That is to say, the third reich will eventually fail, even if hitler maintained his pact with the Russians.

People are naturally greedy & horny, and they will eventually return to what entices them the most.

hell
12-02-2006, 10:30 AM
And the only person standing in his way, the one whom God Himself has given the ability to stop him, is none other than the president of the United States.

rofl

Git 'r' Done!

:lol:

If you think God was going to hand select someone to stop "the most evil person" in the world, and he picked George W., you're an incredible idiot. I think the author of that piece at jpost is dumbsh*t incarnate.

budgie
12-02-2006, 01:46 PM
It also shows poor support for democracy among the Christian Right if they think God selected Bush. That`s what elections are for. They want a Messiah not a President.

annihilation
12-02-2006, 02:20 PM
It also shows poor support for democracy among the Christian Right if they think God selected Bush. That`s what elections are for. They want a Messiah not a President.


You think God might have picked a better candidate for us?

ElHombre
12-02-2006, 07:33 PM
Thanks for including the link. For a second I thought I was reading the 'Onion'.


It also shows poor support for democracy among the Christian Right if they think God selected Bush. That`s what elections are for. They want a Messiah not a President.

If God selected Shrub to be the Messiah, I'll convert to paganism.

Jobu
12-02-2006, 08:33 PM
I agree that history will show Bush was right.

name already taken
12-03-2006, 10:47 AM
Jerusalem post propaganda :roll:

name already taken
12-03-2006, 11:06 AM
from the same page in the jerusalem post:



96. You are so stupid it is unbelievable!
Louis T. Sigel - USA
12/01/2006 11:57 As Lloyd Bentsen said to Quayle: 'you are no John Kennedy!' The idiotic comparison with Churchill and 1938 with the present shows a ludicrous knowledge of history. Bush is an utter liar and has been pursuing totally counterproductive policies. Churchill learned from history; Bush has intentially tried to unlearn and rebel against the instructive lessons of Vietnam and Watergate. But the hubris of history has triumphed!

What's next ? :roll: :roll: :roll:

XShipRider
12-04-2006, 01:00 PM
96. You are so stupid it is unbelievable!
Louis T. Sigel - USA
12/01/2006 11:57 As Lloyd Bentsen said to Quayle: 'you are no John Kennedy!' The idiotic comparison with Churchill and 1938 with the present shows a ludicrous knowledge of history. Bush is an utter liar and has been pursuing totally counterproductive policies. Churchill learned from history; Bush has intentially tried to unlearn and rebel against the instructive lessons of Vietnam and Watergate. But the hubris of history has triumphed!



"I propose the President of the United States advise the commander of the North Korean troops to with draw his forces beyond the 38th parallel within one week, or use that week to evacuate civilians from a specified list of North Korean cities that will be subjected to atomic attack by the United States Air Force…. I ask you, the American citizen, to let your Congressman know how you feel about this proposal." ~
Representative Lloyd Bentsen, July 1950

So much for quoting Lloyd Bentsen or using him in analogies.

redflash
12-04-2006, 01:07 PM
I agree that history will show Bush was right.
and history will show you were wrong

name already taken
12-04-2006, 01:18 PM
So much for quoting Lloyd Bentsen or using him in analogies.
OK.

But I am still with this Jerusalem Post comment writer that George W. Bush
is no John Kennedy and is no Winston Churchill.

bluffcove
12-04-2006, 01:22 PM
Churchill was a war leader in a war not of his choosing followinf from a period of appeasement in which conflict was desperately avoided.

Bush chose to go to war in what he himself calls "pre-emptive" action.

- Where is the parallel?

XShipRider
12-04-2006, 01:38 PM
OK.

But I am still with this Jerusalem Post comment writer that George W. Bush
is no John Kennedy and is no Winston Churchill.

Regardless, in time historians will judge GWB rather than the here and now.

bluffcove
12-04-2006, 03:14 PM
You mean when in twenty years time when these matters are better understood!

We discover the AQ were operating in Iraq prior to invasion/liberation.
Saddam did have WMDs
Bush did have a post conflict plan in existance prior the conflict.
Bush spent more than two months planning the restructuring of Iraq before he went in.
His policy advisors had planned the invasion since at least 1998 if not before,
He used the deaths of 9/11 to justify the Iraq war.

All incontravertable facts. I look forward to revisionist history getting its teeth into that!

Mr. JOSHUA
12-04-2006, 03:33 PM
The radio show host Michael Savage has been talking about that Churchill story lately. He talks about Gallipoli and how Bush can learn from that. If he so chooses. He could have very well like Savage says, corden off the Sunni triangle or insurgent strongholds, leaflet, evacuate and then bomb the hell out of those cities. Then, go after the Mahdi Army and Mr. Al-Sadr and let our guys whoop their asses with no strings attached or B*llsh*t reporters with them.

It would probably cost more to keep this sh*t up than to rebuild those cities.

We can't keep this up, this is idiotic, whoop their f**king asses and get the f**k outta there!

Who ever heard of a boxing match or a fist fight that went on for days?

name already taken
12-04-2006, 06:47 PM
Churchill was a war leader in a war not of his choosing followinf from a period of appeasement in which conflict was desperately avoided.

Bush chose to go to war in what he himself calls "pre-emptive" action.

- Where is the parallel?
In the Jerusalem Post.