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anafor2004
12-02-2006, 02:19 AM
Pope Prays in Blue Mosque
Pope Benedict XVI visited Istanbul's gorgeous Sultanahmet Mosque, also known as the Blue Mosque, on Thursday evening and prayed silently, making another gesture of reconciliation to the Muslim world.
Benedict XVI, the second pontiff to walk into a mosque -after his predecessor John Paul II in Damascus in 2001, took off his shoes and put on white cloth slippers to enter the mosque. Guided by Prof. Mustafa Cagrici, the Grand Mufti of Istanbul, he was briefed on the mosque's attributes and history.
Upon the Muslim cleric's suggestion for "a moment of silence ", the two stood side by side for about a minute towards the end of the 20-minute visit. Having turned to Mecca, where Muslims turn their faces during their prayers five times a day, the pope kept his arms crossed at his waist. His lips could be seen moving silently.
Istanbul Mufti touched his faced in the traditional Islamic gesture at the end of prayer. The pope nodded and the two exchanged gifts before leaving the mosque. The Pope gave the Mufti a picture of four doves and the Mufti gave the pontiff a ceramic calligraphy in the shape of dove which read 'In the name of God the Merciful, the Compassionate'. The similarity of the symbols on the gifts created a curious coincidence, which pope labeled as "the will of the God".
As he finished the prayer, the pope was heard telling the Mufti: "Thank you for this moment of prayer". In response to questions whether Pope had prayed, Vatican spokesman Father Federico Lombardi said that it was “a moment of personal reflection and meditation”. “You can even call this personal, intimate prayer but there were no external manifestations or characteristics of the Christian faith", the spokesman added.
http://www.zaman.com/?bl=international&alt=&trh=20061202&hn=38849
shatro
12-02-2006, 05:58 AM
Pope Prays in Blue Mosque
Pope Benedict XVI visited Istanbul's gorgeous Sultanahmet Mosque, also known as the Blue Mosque, on Thursday evening and prayed silently, making another gesture of reconciliation to the Muslim world.
Benedict XVI, the second pontiff to walk into a mosque -after his predecessor John Paul II in Damascus in 2001, took off his shoes and put on white cloth slippers to enter the mosque. Guided by Prof. Mustafa Cagrici, the Grand Mufti of Istanbul, he was briefed on the mosque's attributes and history.
Upon the Muslim cleric's suggestion for "a moment of silence ", the two stood side by side for about a minute towards the end of the 20-minute visit. Having turned to Mecca, where Muslims turn their faces during their prayers five times a day, the pope kept his arms crossed at his waist. His lips could be seen moving silently.
Istanbul Mufti touched his faced in the traditional Islamic gesture at the end of prayer. The pope nodded and the two exchanged gifts before leaving the mosque. The Pope gave the Mufti a picture of four doves and the Mufti gave the pontiff a ceramic calligraphy in the shape of dove which read 'In the name of God the Merciful, the Compassionate'. The similarity of the symbols on the gifts created a curious coincidence, which pope labeled as "the will of the God".
As he finished the prayer, the pope was heard telling the Mufti: "Thank you for this moment of prayer". In response to questions whether Pope had prayed, Vatican spokesman Father Federico Lombardi said that it was “a moment of personal reflection and meditation”. “You can even call this personal, intimate prayer but there were no external manifestations or characteristics of the Christian faith", the spokesman added.
http://www.zaman.com/?bl=international&alt=&trh=20061202&hn=38849
He didn't visit blue mosque, real name would be church of Haghia Sofia. The most beautiful church in orthodox christianity.
Beykoz
12-02-2006, 07:10 AM
He didn't visit blue mosque, real name would be church of Haghia Sofia.
He did visit The Blue Mosque as the news clearly states.
Could you stop pretending to know everything for a sec...?
It's really not that impressive, in fact, it's very foolish.
Haghia Sofia was the most beautiful church in orthodox christianity.
Fixed.
Ergnkon
12-02-2006, 07:24 AM
He didn't visit blue mosque,
Yes he actually did.
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Istanbul, Turkey: Pope Benedict XVI visits the Blue Mosque in Istanbul, 30 November 2006. The Pope, in an exceptional gesture, turned towards Mecca for a moment of meditation in an attitude of Muslim prayer at the Blue Mosque, the third day of his eventful visit to Turkey. AFP PHOTO
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Paul in Saudi2
12-02-2006, 08:18 AM
Which one is a museum now? The Blue Mosque or the nearby Church Formerly Known as the Haghia Sofia? I always confused those when I take a taxi in that area.
shatro
12-02-2006, 08:37 AM
He did visit The Blue Mosque as the news clearly states.
Could you stop pretending to know everything for a sec...?
It's really not that impressive, in fact, it's very foolish.
Fixed.
Sorry my bad, i completely forgot and mistook that Blue Mosque for nearby Haghia Sofia. Now, no need to get upset p-)
Beykoz
12-02-2006, 08:58 AM
All good.
The Blue Mosque (http://www.guideistanbul.net/sultanahmet.htm) is a brisk walk away from Aya Sofya. It's one of the largest mosques in Turkey.
Aya Sofya was converted to a mosque after the conquest of Istanbul in 1453.
Ataturk turned it into a museum in 1935.
daily666
12-02-2006, 09:02 AM
That's a great gesture of the Pope. Good for him!
Been there and seen it. Unbelievably spiritual. God job Pope.
Resurrection
12-02-2006, 11:11 AM
I remember singing Christmas carols in there with my group. We got kicked out almost instantly.
Herrmannek
12-02-2006, 11:11 AM
He maybe visited blue mosque but if journalist would be aware of situation he would know Pope haven't pray there...
kosse
12-02-2006, 11:21 AM
He maybe visited blue mosque but if journalist would be aware of situation he would know Pope haven't pray there...
Why not? Was he cursing the muslims then? I don't pretend to understand catholic logic but why couldn't Pope pray for example for the cooperation and friendship with the muslims there. Or do the mosques have so thick walls that Catholic God can't hear the prayer through them? :)
Herrmannek
12-02-2006, 01:27 PM
Why not? Was he cursing the muslims then? I don't pretend to understand catholic logic but why couldn't Pope pray for example for the cooperation and friendship with the muslims there. Or do the mosques have so thick walls that Catholic God can't hear the prayer through them? :)
It could be offensive to God. Catholics are very exact in what they can pray to, when part of the prayers pray for the idols its considered blasphemy...
exarmyguard
12-02-2006, 02:21 PM
SPeaking as a catholic, I think its the best thing he could have done. That one act healed alot of the bad feelings. Good job!
eugenlitwin
12-02-2006, 03:38 PM
I remember singing Christmas carols in there with my group. We got kicked out almost instantly.
Location: Siste svensk tar flaggan med sig.rofl rofl rofl
So the pope decided to visit Constantinople.
Good for him.
exarmyguard
12-02-2006, 06:18 PM
So the pope decided to visit Constantinople.
Good for him.
rofl Wow. You say what I think!
Durandal
12-02-2006, 07:38 PM
SPeaking as a catholic, I think its the best thing he could have done. That one act healed alot of the bad feelings. Good job!
Wait till the next serb vs. muslim thread starts then we'll see just how much is healed. :|
Canadian2urk
12-02-2006, 10:35 PM
So the pope decided to visit Constantinople.
Good for him.
Istanbul since 1453. p-)
must be very hard to just accept it for some of you....rofl
exarmyguard
12-02-2006, 10:52 PM
Wait till the next serb vs. muslim thread starts then we'll see just how much is healed. :|
And just when I was having a feel good moment...
exarmyguard
12-02-2006, 10:55 PM
Istanbul since 1453. p-)
must be very hard to just accept it for some of you....rofl
I still cringe when I hear them play on the radio "Istanbul (Not Constantinople)".
Ordie
12-03-2006, 01:19 AM
I still cringe when I hear them play on the radio "Istanbul (Not Constantinople)".
Istanbul was Constantinople
Now it's Istanbul, not Constantinople
Been a long time gone, Constantinople
Now it's Turkish delight on a moonlit night
Every gal in Constantinople
Lives in Istanbul, not Constantinople
So if you've a date in Constantinople
She'll be waiting in Istanbul
Even old New York was once New Amsterdam
Why they changed it I can't say
People just liked it better that way
So take me back to Constantinople
No, you can't go back to Constantinople
Been a long time gone, Constantinople
Why did Constantinople get the works?
That's nobody's business but the Turks
Istanbul (Istanbul)
Istanbul (Istanbul)
Even old New York was once New Amsterdam
Why they changed it I can't say
People just liked it better that way
Istanbul was Constantinople
Now it's Istanbul, not Constantinople
Been a long time gone, Constantinople
Why did Constantinople get the works?
That's nobody's business but the Turks
So take me back to Constantinople
No, you can't go back to Constantinople
Been a long time gone, Constantinople
Why did Constantinople get the works?
That's nobody's business but the Turks
Istanbul
Ordie
12-03-2006, 02:22 AM
Trivia:
The name Istanbul is actually Greek in origin meaning within the city.
The Pope has done a tremendous job.
Location: Siste svensk tar flaggan med sig.rofl rofl rofl
Why do I think resurrection voted for SD.......
eugenlitwin
12-03-2006, 06:36 AM
Istanbul since 1453. p-)
must be very hard to just accept it for some of you....rofl
Not in west, we adapted (not all of us) Turkish name much later…don’t forget thet Constantinople was best city in world…
Canadian2urk
12-03-2006, 07:11 AM
Not in west, we adapted (not all of us) Turkish name much later…don’t forget thet Constantinople was best city in world…
Its incredibly hard to accept it for some of you.rofl
Dont forget Constantinople is Istanbul.:roll: SINCE 1453.
move along TROLL, you are almost 6 centuries behind...:bash:
exarmyguard
12-03-2006, 08:36 AM
Istanbul was Constantinople
Now it's Istanbul, not Constantinople
Been a long time gone, Constantinople
Now it's Turkish delight on a moonlit night
Every gal in Constantinople
Lives in Istanbul, not Constantinople
So if you've a date in Constantinople
She'll be waiting in Istanbul
Even old New York was once New Amsterdam
Why they changed it I can't say
People just liked it better that way
So take me back to Constantinople
No, you can't go back to Constantinople
Been a long time gone, Constantinople
Why did Constantinople get the works?
That's nobody's business but the Turks
Istanbul (Istanbul)
Istanbul (Istanbul)
Even old New York was once New Amsterdam
Why they changed it I can't say
People just liked it better that way
Istanbul was Constantinople
Now it's Istanbul, not Constantinople
Been a long time gone, Constantinople
Why did Constantinople get the works?
That's nobody's business but the Turks
So take me back to Constantinople
No, you can't go back to Constantinople
Been a long time gone, Constantinople
Why did Constantinople get the works?
That's nobody's business but the Turks
Istanbul
You sadistic animal. :bash: lol
Istanbul since 1453. p-)
You got to be ****ting me, who would come up with such a silly name.
daily666
12-03-2006, 10:53 AM
You got to be ****ting me, who would come up with such a silly name.
It's Istanbul, will you cut the crap and stop flaming around?
It's Istanbul, will you cut the crap and stop flaming around?
Says who? You and the mohammedan are the ones doing the flaming. Everyone are free to call a city whatever they want. That goes for a number of polish cities as well.
Here, take a spin on it.
zepic
12-03-2006, 11:01 AM
Says who? You and the mohammedan are the ones doing the flaming.
Here, take a spin on it.
Dont blame daily666 (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/member.php?u=11906) he's never met a muslim!
daily666
12-03-2006, 11:04 AM
Dont blame daily666 (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/member.php?u=11906) he's never met a muslim!
Actually I did, a lot. But what does it have to do with muslims?
zepic
12-03-2006, 11:07 AM
Actually I did, a lot. But what does it have to do with muslims?
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daily666
12-03-2006, 11:09 AM
Then perhaps u know how they behave?
How can you judge someone's behavior by pointing out their religion? There are different muslims. There are arabs, persians, hindu, african even white-caucasian. You mean they all behave the same? I find it preety racist my friend.
Trivia:
The name Istanbul is actually Greek in origin meaning within the city.
The Pope has done a tremendous job.
That's correct.
The Greek words "eis tien poli", which literally mean, "in the city".
Add a Turkish accent to that and you get Istanbul.
zepic
12-03-2006, 11:14 AM
How can you judge someone's behavior by pointing out their religion? There are different muslims. There are arabs, persians, hindu, african even white-caucasian. You mean they all behave the same? I find it preety racist my friend.
Well why dont u do that, u live in poland what do u know about that? Not a **** if u ask me!
C.MAXIMUS
12-03-2006, 11:20 AM
People wanted to kill him because he quoted someone, under siege in the now muslim city, that said islam was spread by the sword! ironic ....
Durandal
12-03-2006, 11:24 AM
You all need to chill out.
While I do LOVE the They Might Be Giants song, most of you are taking this to the extreme in silliness.
The name of the country is Turkey. The name of the city is Istanbul. Things change. In this case, things changed far enough back that it should NOT matter.
What is relevant is that a leader of one church has gone out of his way to make amends with both the other faction of HIS faith (Catholicism vs. Eastern Orthodoxy) and an opponent of HIS faith (Christian vs. Islam).
Be they symbolic or otherwise.
The bickering here is simply proof that if all the kids cannot play well together they cannot play at all.
Edit:
Here is part of song from "The THE" that I always think is appropriate...
Islam is rising
The Christians mobilising
The world is on its elbows and knees
It's forgotten the message and worships the creeds
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