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RomanS
04-15-2004, 02:58 PM
Our first oficial English article.

We present you

BRATISHKA
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Magazine of Russian Special Forces

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CHECHEN FIGHTERS CALL THEMSELVES WOLVES;
FOR EVERY WOLF- THERE IS A WOLFHOUND
Written by Irina Degtyareva
Translated by Roman Stepanov, Brad Doan




This is the chronicle of a Special Unit that fought in the first and second Chechen campaigns. The unit’s first casualty was Private Panteleev, a brave fighter who was killed in 1995. The list of casualties also includes two posthumous recipients of the Hero of Russia medal; Oleg Dolgov, who was shot by a sniper while carrying an injured comrade near Pervomaiksoe, and Eugene Zolotuhin, killed protecting his fellow soldiers during an attempt to apprehend the famous Chechen terrorist Arbi “Tarzan” Baraev at his home. Gudermes, Kizlyar, Pervomaiskoe, Chaban mountain, these are only a few of the well-known operations this unit has participated in.

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Scrambling over slippery rocks, almost plunging over the rim into a deep gorge, charging through the woods of the mountainous terrain, a Spetsnaz team pursues a group of violent terrorists that have broken through the Georgian border into Chechnya. The Russian troops move through the craggy mountains, tracking the terrorists, inspecting every branch and leaf. They pass in and out of the dark forest, their zigzag pattern bringing them dangerously close to the border. The Spetsnaz team doggedly pushes them ever closer to open terrain, keeping them from escaping back across the border into Georgia

They spent five days and nights in the woods, waking up before dawn, quickly eating breakfast. The menu was made out of MRE’s, dry oatmeal and spring water. Equipped and rested, they once more joined the pursuit, tracking the terrorists into the heart of the Chechen mountains. The signs were easy to follow in the mud, horses, donkeys, smaller tracks of women and/or children. There were clearer signs, as well. Bloody bandages, warm ashes, and even dropped flour, not yet blown away by the constant wind.

From radio intercepts it was clear that the “ghosts,” as they were known to the Russian soldiers, were terrified, aware they were being pursued, and by whom. The terrorists call themselves, “wolves of the woods,” but for every wolf, there is a wolfhound…

Only Spetsnaz teams have the ability to pursue armed terrorists through the treacherous mountains and dark forests of Chechnya for days at a time. They tracked their pray with a hunter’s enthusiasm. 50 meters on the map turned out to be 250 when elevation was factored in, but even this rugged terrain didn’t dampen their spirits.

This was not the only Spetsnaz team prowling the woods, however. Often they would here the communications of their brother units, sometimes breaking in to wish each other luck and good hunting. One day, as they continued on the trail of the terrorist group they were tracking, they heard a violent fire-fight erupt in the woods behind them. Over the secure radio they listened as another Spetsnaz group was ambushed. The team was ordered deeper into the woods, away from the action, to await further instructions. The Spetsnaz soldiers waited impatiently for their orders, crouching low, invisible in the woods, they switched their weapons off “safe.” In the distance the battle raged on, small arms fire crackled through the air and several explosions thundered somewhere in the forest. Each soldier quietly gritting his teeth, somehow managing to suppress the urge to run to the aid of their brothers. They had their orders, and they would follow them, no matter how difficult it was.

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Most members of the team were reminded of a similar situation, in the year 2000, when they had wished another group of their brothers luck and good hunting. They shared a base camp and were waiting for the return of their brother team when the bad news began to come in. It came fast. Team commander Lt. Aleksander Bushkov recalled the voice of his friend, Igor Karasanfir, as he yelled over the radio, “GHOOOSTS!!” It was physically painful for Lt. Bushkov and his team listening to the fight over the radio, unable to act. It was crushing when they later learned that Karasanfir and Captain Grushev had been killed.

…And now, in 2002, the team sat anxiously in the woods near Shalazhi waiting for the order to come. After what seemed like an eternity the team was allowed to go to the aid of their brothers. They linked up in the woods, neither team suffering any casualties, but the bodies of several terrorists lay scattered on the wet ground. The remaining terrorists had dropped all of their heavy gear including ammunition, and run like startled deer into the depths of the forest. This was not the first time terrorists had tried to reach Shalazhi, though. Something was drawing them here. Why did they keep trying to break through to this village again and again?

The next morning another Spetsnaz team was engaged by a group of over fifty terrorists near the same village. As the team listened to the battle unfold over the radio, the commander of the ambushed team asked for help. The group was primed and ready. They grabbed their gear and set out to assist their comrades, thanking God that they were only a short kilometer away.

They shot through the countryside like lightning, taking no notice of the beautiful vignettes they passed; the road, river, bridge, the little village tucked beneath the towering mountains that almost touched the clouds. They did feel the sun, which seemed to have declared war on everyone. Dust hung in the hot, still air. The fight was raging in the thick forest near the bridge. The Wolfhounds moved to help their brothers while also sealing the escape routes of the “ghosts.” The BTR armored vehicle of the ambushed team sat disabled on the road, the Spetsnaz troops taking cover nearby, their weapons barking loudly at the enemy

The team was only 200 meters out now. None of them gave any thought to the heat, dust or burning lungs. They ran on, spraying suppressive fire into the suspected Chechen positions. At last they reached their brothers.

The two teams began to concentrate their fire on the positions of the “ghosts.” The battle sounded like hell’s orchestra. They answered every Chechen muzzle flash with the under-barrel grenade launchers while the RPGs where loaded. The lethal RPGs were then unleashed into the areas of contact. Finally, Bushkov order the RPO into action, vaporizing anything within 10 meters of its molten explosion.

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“Cease fire!” Everything got quiet. The last echoes of the battle dissolving into silence. The team swept through the surrounding forest, finishing any stragglers. The bodies of the dead terrorists were lined up and searched, the team seeking to identify their foes. Many of the dead were Arabs with an astounding array of fake and altered passports from every corner of the globe. Most of the terrorists had good quality western footwear and NATO woodland camouflage clothing, small radios and other expensive toys. Surprisingly, the dead yielded a wide assortment of narcotic drugs. Neither drugs, expensive toys, nor western BDUs had saved them from the Wolfhounds. The Spetsnaz teams had accomplished their mission without a single casualty

Further investigation revealed that some of the terrorists had managed to escape the fate of their friends. As before, they had ditched their heavy gear and run away. This time, however, there were blood trails to follow. Unfortunately, the border was very near, and this area was notorious for the number of ****y traps scattered through the forest. It was too risky to follow them.

The surviving wolves were undoubtedly in bad shape. They were injured, tired and hungry, with all of their supplies now in the hands of Russian Spetsnaz. To add to their difficulties, they could no longer rely on Chechen civilians for aid. Most of the civil population was tired of war and didn’t want to get involved, especially with foreign mercenaries. The wolves had to abandon their plans and quickly retreat to lick their wounds…

The documents recovered from the dead terrorists held a bounty of intelligence information. From these papers the team was able identify and arrest one of Mashadov’s messengers, a crazy, scandalous Chechen woman. The team was also able to identify several weapons caches, one of which was found with the aid of a talented dog from a specialized search team. The dog was able to locate a buried crate filled with deadly tools of the highest order; RPOs, AT-14 Kornets, PKMs, sniper rifles and silencers, as well as more mundane items such as tents, sleeping bags and clothing. The cache also contained several maps

These finds led to more arrests, which led to still more arrests. This one successful engagement had kept the team busy through most of their tour. The team was satisfied that they had done good work and was preparing to return home.

A few days before they were scheduled to fly home, the team was alerted at one in the morning and sent to try to catch a suspected terrorist thought to be in a nearby village. They drove off in a BTR, preparing for the usual “address work” in the village. In the BTR were Sgt.s Maksim Zhukov, Aleksander Kurochkin, Denis Baskov, and a sapper, a PFC who asked not to be named who we will call “Sap.”

After checking three other locations, they stopped at a 2 story house that intel had advised them might be harboring an “Amir” of the “ghosts.” They cleared the house room by room, but found only a confused old man, clearly terrified, sitting on his bed.

The room appeared normal, but a quick search turned up a belt with a radio, two grenades and an empty holster attached to it. Denis Baskov and Sap carefully moved to the window, which was open, and leaned out. Under the window they could see a pair of slippers…

Shots rang out through the still night, shattering the tranquility of the quiet village. The Amir had jumped out the window and was now firing at Baskov and Sap as he fled between the garages and storage facilities through a back alley. Baskov and Sap returned fire then ran out of the house after the fleeing Amir. The team was quickly in pursuit, running through the alleys. It was pitch black, but Sgt. Zhukov somehow found the tracks of bare feet and a muslim prayer cap. One of the other soldiers found some dark drops on the snow. The flashlight proved it to be blood. Good. Baskov and Sap had managed to injure the terrorist leader. The blood trail was easy for the team to follow in the snow. The team moved up the road in two elements providing cover for each other, command group on one side, storm group on the other. The radio crackled as information was relayed to the team. The Amir had radioed for help from his terrorist friends

The trail of dark blood on the snow brought the team to a house at the end of a lane. There was blood on the low gate, but none inside the yard. A brief search revealed that the blood had been hastily concealed with snow. The team found themselves in a very bad situation. They were in the yard of a house thought to contain a terrorist leader, with an unknown number of occupants. Was an ambush being prepared? Was a machine gun trained on them right now?

The team was evaluating the situation, aware that they were in a bad tactical situation, when a light appeared inside the house. Voices could also be heard inside. This Amir was either very dumb or overconfident. Still, the team couldn’t rule out a trap. They needed to act.

The team kicked in the front door, sending it flying into the hallway inside. Sap was the first man in, “slicing the pie” as he looked into the nearest room. A man was sitting on the floor with his back to Sap, tending to the wounded Amir. The Amir had his hand suspiciously tucked under his shirt. A pistol?

No, the Amir was clutching his wounded side. He had lost too much blood to resist, the shots from Sap and Bashkov had caught him, his wrist looked like a carnation flower, another round grazed his chest. The owner of the house was a doctor with sympathies for the terrorists, and the Amir had run straight to him with his ruined hand. The Spetsnaz team handcuffed them both. Fortunately, the Amir had dropped his gun when he was wounded.
The Team searched the house, finding many interesting things. The owner of the house had fake documents from the Afghan war, and a forged ID of an FSB officer. Behind a walnut cabinet was a hole leading into a secret bunker. The bunker was not completed, but it was clear it had been intended for at least 5 people. Most importantly, it had all the supplies needed for a long campaign…

WHILE THERE ARE PEOPLE LIKE THIS, THE WOLVES WILL NEVER BE LEFT ALONE.

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next week, another story from Chechnya.

Thank you all

Javehn
04-15-2004, 03:05 PM
Nice story woot . Too bad i don't have that issue , i would love to read the original .

Mitch Rapp
04-15-2004, 03:16 PM
The name of the unit is "Rus"

MKtexan
04-15-2004, 03:24 PM
Good story PermskiiOMON, thanks for posting it! :)

Dmitri
04-15-2004, 03:25 PM
Awesome story, I always heard about Bratishka, but never could subscribe to it or get any stories. Good info and nice pics! Keep it going bro... woot

Dmitri
04-15-2004, 03:26 PM
BTW, is that story about Green Berets any good? If you have it available, would you mind posting it, please?

anonymous individual
04-15-2004, 03:30 PM
Nice story -even though I have not read it yet-.

Brozozo
04-15-2004, 03:33 PM
Intense! Keep 'em comin!

RSK
04-15-2004, 03:34 PM
Great photos and story!

S Verom u Boga!

Sloboda Ili Smrt!

MEGR
04-15-2004, 03:36 PM
Wish they would make a Spetsnaz book or sometin of the sort that we can read here in the States.

Undo
04-15-2004, 03:38 PM
Wish they would make a Spetsnaz book or sometin of the sort that we can read here in the States.

You don't have long to wait.

Russian Texan
04-15-2004, 03:40 PM
Wish they would make a Spetsnaz book or sometin of the sort that we can read here in the States.

Patience dear friend, patience....you might have a surprise coming your way ;)

Roman, Brad great job guys!

Abolith
04-15-2004, 04:29 PM
I love stuff like this. keep em` rollin in! :D

Dennis G
04-15-2004, 05:13 PM
your the man Permskii

ariweiner
04-15-2004, 05:17 PM
Good fiction. Post some more.

Dmitri
04-15-2004, 05:38 PM
why exactly is it fiction?

RomanS
04-15-2004, 05:40 PM
because he supports chechen terrorists, and gets off on them. So reading or seeing them being pwned, categorizes as fiction to him.

ariweiner
04-15-2004, 05:57 PM
why exactly is it fiction?

1) No corroborating proof.
2) Russian army is not exactly very truthful about it's missions. Even missions launched by infantry brigades are lied about in terms of casualties and [un]successfully completed objectives so what about the special forces?
3) Lastly, the article had not many facts and many exaggerations. For example, speaking for the entire unit's thoughts i.e: Flowery language. Chechens are "terrorists." Describing Arab and Chechen mujahideen as using drugs which which was first claimed by Russian press officers and no substantial evidence to show for it. etc etc etc.

I don't deny though that this is a well-made propoganda piece.

StukaJr
04-15-2004, 07:00 PM
why exactly is it fiction?

1) No corroborating proof.

You are welcome to provide one. What is not welcome, is trying to discredit the article by half assed remarks, some vague remarks that have nothing to do with the article or the events and blind disposition to attack these sources with no proof otherwise.

2) Russian army is not exactly very truthful about it's missions. Even missions launched by infantry brigades are lied about in terms of casualties and [un]successfully completed objectives so what about the special forces?

Russia complies to a very strict census, both in military and civilian worlds - any kind of casualty report falsification are easy enough to catch.

3) Lastly, the article had not many facts and many exaggerations. For example, speaking for the entire unit's thoughts i.e: Flowery language. Chechens are "terrorists." Describing Arab and Chechen mujahideen as using drugs which which was first claimed by Russian press officers and no substantial evidence to show for it. etc etc etc.

Nowhere in the article does it state that all chechens are "terrorists" - most of the muj were foreign fighters, whom crossed over the international border into Russian territory, armed and carrying out para-military actions and ambushes. If that's not terrorism - you tell me what is. Article makes a solid distinction between civilians and those aiding the terrorists - aiding terrorists is a crime and those who get caught - pay the price.

Nowhere in the article does it say that the guierillas were using drugs - they had it on them during the search. But then mujahadeen's money doesn't come from poppy fields down south... Most of the "H" export does not originate from that area - that's all propaganda, right?

I don't deny though that this is a well-made propoganda piece.

Personal memoirs of soldiers, demonstrating comradary and dedication to their service. Told by grunts - unfortunately, lost on the us/israeli/russian hater like you - at least you are staying true to your colors.

Falco
04-15-2004, 07:27 PM
Good story woot

Srachka to Perdachka
04-15-2004, 07:39 PM
WOW Great Stuff. Dont listen to ariweiner he's just another dousch bag that is upset because of his extremely small ***** size.

shuravee
04-15-2004, 08:23 PM
http://www.aeronautics.ru/img001/chechnya90.jpg
http://www.aeronautics.ru/img001/chechnya91.jpg
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The following seven images were taken by a photo journalist from the Czech "Lidove Novini" newspaper, Petra Prokhazkova, at the "arms bazaar" in Grozny on Oct. 21, 1999 just hours before a shootout between rival Chechen gangs resulted in detonation of ammunition and tens of casualties. These photos paint a bit of a different picture than what was described in Washington Post as peaceful civilians buying tomatoes.

Dennis G
04-15-2004, 08:28 PM
I wish that mag had an English version :(

ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð
04-15-2004, 08:54 PM
I wish that mag had an English version :(

So do I.....
Thanks Perm that was really cool woot

anonymous individual
04-15-2004, 09:11 PM
Must learn to read Russian...

ariweiner
04-15-2004, 11:58 PM
You are welcome to provide one. What is not welcome, is trying to discredit the article by half assed remarks, some vague remarks that have nothing to do with the article or the events and blind disposition to attack these sources with no proof otherwise.
The article is itself discredited by being written from the POV of those who are unquestionably biased. Fiction novels are written in the style that this article is written which if it is not fiction is grossly exaggerated.


Russia complies to a very strict census, both in military and civilian worlds - any kind of casualty report falsification are easy enough to catch.
Is that a joke? If not, then you seem to have very limited knowledge about the accuracy of officially reported Russian casualty figures.
See here (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/616663.stm) or here (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/monitoring/media_reports/615937.stm) or here (http://www.cdi.org/russia/johnson/7066-3.cfm) or here (http://archives.tcm.ie/breakingnews/2003/02/17/story88513.asp)or here (http://www.rnw.nl/hotspots/archive/rus/html/chechnya000127.html)


Nowhere in the article does it state that all chechens are "terrorists" - most of the muj were foreign fighters, whom crossed over the international border into Russian territory, armed and carrying out para-military actions and ambushes. If that's not terrorism - you tell me what is.
No, that is not terrorism. Terrorism is:
"premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents" - Title 22 of the US Code Section 2656

Secondly, Chechnya is not "Russian territory." Never has been and never will be.


Most of the "H" export does not originate from that area - that's all propaganda, right?
Yes, if we are taking about the Chechen army led by Commander-in-chief Aslan Maskhadov. The true Mujahideen do not use drugs to finance wars due to the simple fact that such activity(buying, selling and using intoxicants) is prohibited in Islam.

RomanS
04-16-2004, 12:19 AM
The article is itself discredited by being written from the POV of those who are unquestionably biased. Fiction novels are written in the style that this article is written which if it is not fiction is grossly exaggerated.


Where in our article do you see soldiers bein mentioned? The team that is in the article is far more advanced, trained, and experienced than a grunt soldier.

Members of unit "PyCb" are special force operators, not your everyday infantry meat. Those guys live for this, and are not affraid of any of your mudjahadeens, aliens, or mutated bugs. They go in the fight with a sick crazy orgasm, and it is known that your beloved mudjahadins are ****ting their pants when the OSPN units go hunting for them.

Show me one article or a photo where Chechen/Arab mudjaheds, at least damage any of the OSPN units.




Is that a joke? If not, then you seem to have very limited knowledge about the accuracy of officially reported Russian casualty figures.
See here or here or here or here or here


Again, in all the BBC reports the don't mention a word that a Spetsnaz unit lost all their guys, and Russian government is denying it. How hard is it for your thick scull to understand? THE MAN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, ARE SPECIAL UNITS OF INTERNAL FORCES!!!!!!!!!


No, that is not terrorism. Terrorism is:
"premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents" - Title 22 of the US Code Section 2656

Secondly, Chechnya is not "Russian territory." Never has been and never will be.

Since when did the Russian soldiers started to give a **** about US CODE SECTION?


Yes, if we are taking about the Chechen army led by Commander-in-chief Aslan Maskhadov. The true Mujahideen do not use drugs to finance wars due to the simple fact that such activity(buying, selling and using intoxicants) is prohibited in Islam.
Who is a good, clean mudjahadin ? Give me some names?

Aquil Collins? The American Mudjahadin, who trained in Ben Laden's camps, and went to fight against my brothers in Chechnya? He also wrote a book called "My Jihad"
Is he a good example of a mudjadadin?

Aren't the members of Al-queda and other Islamic terrorist organizations used to be mudjahadins, or still are.

I thought it ment the Student of Religion. Khattab, Baraev, Basaev they all called themselves mudjahadins.
Do you count them as good role models for mudjahadins?

unpatiently waiting for your responce

ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð
04-16-2004, 12:27 AM
yuck ariweiner dont start another flame war thats exactly what this site doesnt need :roll:

American Patriot
04-16-2004, 01:05 AM
I'd say: ariwiner is sucking camel's weiner... Am I talented or what.... :lol:

Honestly, guys, gentleman, comrades, пацаны, братаны, мужики,хлопцы и просто соотечественики - what do you expect from an arab?
Of course he is going to defend, glorify and blah, blah, blah his own...
C'mon, get real - no matter what arguments you provide him with, he will never change his point of view and beliefs, simple like that...
Let the шавка bark, at some point he'll see that no one really cares, get tired and leave...

Basically - DO NOT FEED THE TROLL!

To the camel jockey I have only one thing to say: dude, your "brave mujahadeen" lost, they been pwned big time during 2nd Chechen war when Russian military was finally allowed, unlike during the first one, do what it does best - destroy... You won't find much sympathy or understanding here, well, maybe masturbato,marmot, hermannek or some other deprived child might share your point of view out of sole hatred for Russia...
You'll have much better time finding yourself an audience in some place like kavkazcenter.com, some humanitarian web site, etc.. Go and preach/complain there or go hump a camel or something...

Can he be banned for racism?

Russian Texan
04-16-2004, 01:07 AM
Can he be banned for racism?

Only after you...
;)

ShotOver
04-16-2004, 01:41 AM
Heh, Russian texan. He was making pretty good points.

You should read them, he sounds like an educated man, not like yourself.

Sergei
04-16-2004, 03:03 AM
Heh, Russian texan. He was making pretty good points.

You should read them, he sounds like an educated man, not like yourself.
He sounds more like a chechen propaganda mouthpiece.
And about drugged up chechens. I believe PermskiiOMON showed a picture of a drugged up chechen in one of the threads.
Roman, could you possibly find that picture to kick the butt of our domestic mujahedeen "ariweiner" once and for all, that "mujahedeens don't do drugs".

ShotOver
04-16-2004, 03:05 AM
How can you tell from the photo that he is "Drugged Up" does he have the substance in hand?

Kingpin
04-16-2004, 03:12 AM
How can you tell from the photo that he is "Drugged Up" does he have the substance in hand?

There are multiple accounts of drug consuming by insurgents. It seems to be part of their tactics :)

ShotOver
04-16-2004, 03:14 AM
Yeah, sorry mate. Im not nitpicking. They also were taking drugs in Somalia, a country filled with Muslims.

But yeah, you and me have no experience in fighting Muslim men, so it's only what we have seen in footage, or images.

obd
04-16-2004, 03:23 AM
Hey Permski: Great Post man... Dont listen to the jerk offs just trying to pull your chain. Ignore them and keep posting good stuff for your buddies on this site LIKE ME!! who want to keep reading more!!!!!

As much as I want to tell people to stop complaining to you and bothering you and hastling you and ****....I too have a complaint: I dont want to waite a week for more man!!!! I mean, cant you drop everything in your life and devote it to more posts haha. Just kidding, great job and dont let the assholes get you down and stop you.... Most of us enjoy it and want more.. Do it for us man and ignore the mother****ers dissing you!!!

16 OBr SpN
04-16-2004, 03:44 AM
Yeah, sorry mate. Im not nitpicking. They also were taking drugs in Somalia, a country filled with Muslims.

But yeah, you and me have no experience in fighting Muslim men, so it's only what we have seen in footage, or images.

If I had a dollar everytime I saw a drugged up Afghan/Chechen, Bill Gates would be cleaning my shoes part-time!!! :lol:

BTW, great post PermskiiOMON!

Regards,
16 OBr SpN

ShotOver
04-16-2004, 04:20 AM
Yep, cheers for that 16 OBr SpN, that's what i was looking for, first hand information.
have a good one.

ikurinturbiini
04-16-2004, 05:25 AM
Our first oficial English article.



Nice article. Makes your heart beat faster, makes you wanna be one of those hardcore SF dudes and stomp dem terrorist bastards. Unbiased, definitely. Truthful, absolutely.

It's been a while since I read anything like it. It was some other magazine with equally fascinating stories and inspiring illustrations. Now which magazine was that... ahh, yes. "Signal."

Ring a bell?

hahaha
04-16-2004, 06:30 AM
"The true Mujahideen do not use drugs to finance wars due to the simple fact that such activity(buying, selling and using intoxicants) is prohibited in Islam." Fvck I hate ****s that hide behind their religion.


What if some Mullah or cleric claims that drugs can kill Americans or Jews, would they then allow their fellow Muslims to trade in drugs ?
I think this is a very possible scenario.. don't tell me that there is no Islamic cleric that would condone the selling of drugs to any American ot Jew if it is going to contribute to their death...

Sergei
04-16-2004, 08:28 AM
Our first oficial English article.



Nice article. Makes your heart beat faster, makes you wanna be one of those hardcore SF dudes and stomp dem terrorist bastards. Unbiased, definitely. Truthful, absolutely.

It's been a while since I read anything like it. It was some other magazine with equally fascinating stories and inspiring illustrations. Now which magazine was that... ahh, yes. "Signal."

Ring a bell?

Care to add anything useful to the thread, if not your finnish sauna and long winter nights are waiting for you.

Sergei
04-16-2004, 08:40 AM
The true Mujahideen do not use drugs to finance wars due to the simple fact that such activity(buying, selling and using intoxicants) is prohibited in Islam.

http://mk31.image.pbase.com/u40/igor01/upload/26351279.6673Untitled32.jpg

rofl rofl rofl

ariweiner
04-16-2004, 10:07 AM
PermskiiOMON - Where in our article do you see soldiers bein mentioned? The team that is in the article is far more advanced, trained, and experienced than a grunt soldier.

I was not stating or implying that the soldiers involved did or did not write the article. I am simply saying that whoever wrote the article is a biased and partisan figure. No source other than the soldiers themselves seems to be given.


PermskiiOMON - Show me one article or a photo where Chechen/Arab mudjaheds, at least damage any of the OSPN units.

Why don't you show me a photo of a Chechen or Arab or any other kind of mujahid being killed by an OSPN unit?


PermskiiOMON - THE MAN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, ARE SPECIAL UNITS OF INTERNAL FORCES!!!!!!!!!

How is their "specialness" a factor. Are they immortals or do they just have bulletproof skin?


Who is a good, clean mudjahadin ? Give me some names?

Maskhadov, Khattab etc etc.


ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð - yuck ariweiner dont start another flame war thats exactly what this site doesnt need

I'm not intending a flame war. I simply had some concerns that I pointed out. I think these are legitimate concerns that reasonable people could expect reasonable answers for.


Russian Texan - no matter what arguments you provide him with, he will never change his point of view and beliefs, simple like that...

Actually my opinions and views are always subject to change with the exception of some perennial truths. If you have a good argument then give it to me. I don't automatically dismiss anybody's viewpoint.


Russian Texan - your "brave mujahadeen" lost

You and the Russians may think so. But WE do not. We lose only when we acknowledge that we have lost. And that will never be. Russia withdrew twice because they couldn't continue facing mujahideen(Afghanistan and Chechnya 1st war). They will have a humiliating withdrawal again. Watch and see...


Kingpin - There are multiple accounts of drug consuming by insurgents.

Gimme an account not originating from Russian military spokespersons. I would be glad to hear it.


16 OBr SpN - If I had a dollar everytime I saw a drugged up Afghan/Chechen, Bill Gates would be cleaning my shoes part-time!!!

To make it clear, I am not stating that no Afghan or no Chechen has ever taken drugs. I am saying that the true Mujahid will never take drugs ESPECIALLY during or before battle. Since a Mujahid is a "person fighting for the sake of God under the rules of jihad" he would have to be obeying the laws of God. We believe that people will be resurrected in front of God in the state that they died in. A fine mess it would be if you met God in an intoxicated state. :oops:

ariweiner
04-16-2004, 10:12 AM
What if some Mullah or cleric claims that drugs can kill Americans or Jews, would they then allow their fellow Muslims to trade in drugs ?

A Mullah or cleric could claim anything. That does not mean it automatically becomes truth just because they said it. Only the Shi'a blindly follow their Imams in everything that they say.

I will unequivocally state that intoxicants, whether drug, alcohol, khat or anything else that produces an intoxicated state, it's use, buying or selling is according to my certain knowledge prohibited absolutely in Islam. From everything that I know or have studied, this can never change based on situation except perhaps the limited drinking of alchohol if one is about to die of thirst. And this is only the minute amount needed to prevent one from dying of thirst.

Srachka to Perdachka
04-16-2004, 10:43 AM
RussianTexan got burned by PT

Undo
04-16-2004, 01:05 PM
Hey Ariwhiner, let me ask you a question. Why did you read it in the first place? You understand that this is transcribed from a RUSSIAN soldiers magazine, correct? What sort of article did you expect? This isn't from BBC or some third party. Only a total prat would look for an unbiased even-handed voice in this article. While some claim that you sound intelligent and others feel the need to argue with you, I feel you couldn't have come across as being more ignorant. What kind of a tool would expect that a magazine published by and for RUSSIAN SOLDIERS would not be biased? If you want works of TOTAL FICTION that you can enjoy you might try kavkazcenter. I am certain you will find it more enjoyable.

Anyway, rant off.

hist2004
04-16-2004, 01:57 PM
To make it clear, I am not stating that no Afghan or no Chechen has ever taken drugs. I am saying that the true Mujahid will never take drugs ESPECIALLY during or before battle. Since a Mujahid is a "person fighting for the sake of God under the rules of jihad" he would have to be obeying the laws of God. We believe that people will be resurrected in front of God in the state that they died in. A fine mess it would be if you met God in an intoxicated state.

I will unequivocally state that intoxicants, whether drug, alcohol, khat or anything else that produces an intoxicated state, it's use, buying or selling is according to my certain knowledge prohibited absolutely in Islam. From everything that I know or have studied, this can never change based on situation except perhaps the limited drinking of alchohol if one is about to die of thirst. And this is only the minute amount needed to prevent one from dying of thirst.


ariweiner-

I find it interesting that a mujahid; or as you say a true Mujahid, would only be concerned with
representing himself in an intoxicated state before God at his passing. If drinking is indeed
prohibited to those of the Islamic faith that is very noble and I dare say admirable. However
I take issue with your reference to “obeying the laws of God”. Where in the “Laws” does it
state that you can murder unarmed civilians or POW’s. I searched through all 114 SURAH’s
of the Koran and couldn’t find any reference to it. Please enlighten.

Regards,
Hist2004

anonymous individual
04-16-2004, 03:40 PM
pwned

StukaJr
04-16-2004, 03:53 PM
ariweiner:

Qur’an states that:


Fight in the way of God against those who fight against you, but do not transgress. God does not love transgressors (2:190).

Perhaps, that rules out crossing into someone's country and planting explossives on the roads to blow up civilian vehicles?


When Muslims attain this rank, God will not allow unbelievers to beat them (4:141).

So if mujahadeen are loosing - obviously they have transgressed on multiple counts and their holy war has stopped being so holy... So what do you call a holy warrior that has no support of his own god?


Jihad, in Islam, means to wage war against injustice, oppression, exploitation, tyranny, fear, corruption and the denial of basic human rights to the masses (4:75-76). It is about fighting to establish justice, peace, freedom (especially freedom of religion), security, equality and social justice (2:193).

Somehow, getting killed for not converting to Islam violates the very rule of Jihad and what Mujahadeen suppose to fight for. Does Mashadov have a plan for rebuilding economy of the region, constitution in the works, police system to rid the area of illeagal weapons? With what money are the rebels planning to do so? The money they get from terrorist cells?

Face it, ariwheiner - there are particular individuals that benefit from unstabilizing a region, throwing it into civil war and then reaping wealth from doing so. The one must remember the region before it became a craddle and the grave for international terrorists - looks like a reverse Jihad to me...

GazB
04-17-2004, 03:31 AM
I will unequivocally state that intoxicants, whether drug, alcohol, khat or anything else that produces an intoxicated state, it's use, buying or selling is according to my certain knowledge prohibited absolutely in Islam.

The Catholics I speak to seem fairly opposed to homo****** ***, yet Male Catholic Priests don't have the best record regarding their treatment of young boys in their care...

IRA members usually get absolution before they go and plant a nail bomb in a public place... the wonder of religion... do what you want, to whom ever you want and then be forgiven...

Obvously not all catholics are child molestors, and not all of them kill to make a point, just as not all muslims are nutters.

erebusjr
09-24-2009, 06:52 AM
Wow ! How could I have miss this great article ! ..and drama. Can we have more Roman ? For English speakers ? :( Could be a monthly thing :). Thanks again for the article !

LibertyUnites
09-24-2009, 12:36 PM
Seeing as how this thread is from 2004, I wouldn't expect him to make the monthly installments retroactive....

suesue
10-10-2009, 10:26 AM
brave spetsnaz soldiers are saving the world...roflroflrofl


something more about crimes did by BOTH sides in Chechnya:

[/URL][URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Chechen_War_crimes_and_terrorism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Chechen_War_crimes_and_terrorism)

(please, read it first-whole-before you call me fu*** bastard etc as some of the members of MP like to do whenever somebody do not agree with them.............)

you can find more reports prepared by international human rights organisations;
as I know even some Russian journalists were trying to exposed the real side of this dirty war like Politovskaya and Estamirova...both were killed...

Frutzel
10-10-2009, 10:30 AM
brave spetsnaz soldiers are saving the world...roflroflrofl


something more about crimes did by BOTH sides in Chechnya:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Chechen_War_crimes_and_terrorism

(please, read it first-whole-before you call me fu*** bastard etc as some of the members of MP like to do whenever somebody do not agree with them.............)

you can find more reports prepared by international human rights organisations;
as I know even some Russian journalists were trying to exposed the real side of this dirty war like Politovskaya and Estamirova...both were killed...


Shove your wiki up your ass :roll: Whats the purpose in posting this?You want a flame war or what? Some people are just dense

suesue
10-10-2009, 06:28 PM
Shove your wiki up your ass :roll: Whats the purpose in posting this?You want a flame war or what? Some people are just dense


really nice, really nice.....
I always enjoy constructive dialogue with intelligent, open and well educated people....

I have posted that information becouse it's refering to the main topic and it show one of the aspects of it....

however, watch your language dude (you are infamous for it);

Fade
10-10-2009, 06:36 PM
really nice, really nice.....
I always enjoy constructive dialogue with intelligent, open and well educated people....
You say this, yet open your comments with inflammatory statements that clearly show your bias which in turn clearly sets the tone for the conversation. Is it such a surprise that people respond in kind? Do you honestly believe you will get intelligent constructive dialogue with such abrasive posturing?

RomanS
10-10-2009, 06:39 PM
you've got to be fukin kidding me

suesue
10-10-2009, 07:13 PM
You say this, yet open your comments with inflammatory statements that clearly show your bias which in turn clearly sets the tone for the conversation. Is it such a surprise that people respond in kind? Do you honestly believe you will get intelligent constructive dialogue with such abrasive posturing?


calling somebody with dirty language its not a way to solve the problem, whenever post is out of point shuld be report to admin to be judge by them...

showing the other side of thing is bad? one guy can write the post about some army full of delight and when you show the other aspects of it is a crime? it is another information about the same topic, in this case-russian army, unfortunately not really welcome by some censors ...
(whenever I would write that spacnaz was great would be fine and everybody would be happy but if I wrote sth less positive, even if it was proved, the big problem would appear and I will become an enemy (of the people);

RomanS
10-10-2009, 07:20 PM
calling somebody with dirty language its not a way to solve the problem, whenever post is out of point shuld be report to admin to be judge by them...

showing the other side of thing is bad? one guy can write the post about some army full of delight and when you show the other aspects of it is a crime? it is another information about the same topic, in this case-russian army, unfortunately not really welcome by some censors ...
(whenever I would write that spacnaz was great would be fine and everybody would be happy but if I wrote sth less positive, even if it was proved, the big problem would appear and I will become an enemy (of the people);

you can go fuk yourself and your opinions

my name again
10-10-2009, 07:30 PM
really nice, really nice.....
I always enjoy constructive dialogue with intelligent, open and well educated people....

I have posted that information becouse it's refering to the main topic and it show one of the aspects of it....

however, watch your language dude (you are infamous for it);

Show some respect you piece of ****!

Frutzel
10-10-2009, 07:36 PM
calling somebody with dirty language its not a way to solve the problem, whenever post is out of point shuld be report to admin to be judge by them...

showing the other side of thing is bad? one guy can write the post about some army full of delight and when you show the other aspects of it is a crime? it is another information about the same topic, in this case-russian army, unfortunately not really welcome by some censors ...
(whenever I would write that spacnaz was great would be fine and everybody would be happy but if I wrote sth less positive, even if it was proved, the big problem would appear and I will become an enemy (of the people);

What did you expect after your post?This is "Stricly Photos & Video" section and there is no need for that in this thread. I wouldn't have cared less about it, if you had posted it somewhere, where it belongs. Oh no, I'm infamous :roll: Stay safe on your way to endless disputations

TR1
10-10-2009, 07:41 PM
brave spetsnaz soldiers are saving the world...roflroflrofl


something more about crimes did by BOTH sides in Chechnya:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Chechen_War_crimes_and_terrorism

(please, read it first-whole-before you call me fu*** bastard etc as some of the members of MP like to do whenever somebody do not agree with them.............)

you can find more reports prepared by international human rights organisations;
as I know even some Russian journalists were trying to exposed the real side of this dirty war like Politovskaya and Estamirova...both were killed...
Yes it was a dirty war. I wager Russian members on here know how dirty it was far better than you.
Wtf is your point retard?