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Seraphim
04-15-2004, 05:11 PM
LOS ANGELES (AFP) - A US geophysicist has set the scientific world ablaze by claiming to have cracked a holy grail: accurate earthquake prediction, and warning that a big one will soon hit southern California.



Russian-born University of California at Los Angeles professor Vladimir Keilis-Borok says he can foresee major quakes by tracking minor temblors and historical patterns in seismic hotspots that could indicate more violent shaking is on the way.


And he has made a chilling prediction that a quake measuring at least 6.4 magnitude on the Richter scale will hit a 31,200-square-kilometer (12,000-square-mile) area of southern California by September 5.


The team at UCLA's Institute of Geophysics and Planetary Physics accurately predicted a 6.5-magnitude quake in central California last December as well as an 8.1-magnitude temblor that struck the Japanese island of Hokkaido in September.


"Earthquake prediction is called the Holy Grail of earthquake science, and has been considered impossible by many scientists," said Keilis-Borok, 82. "It is not impossible.


"We have made a major breakthrough, discovering the possibility of making predictions months ahead of time, instead of years, as in previously known methods."


If accurate, the prediction method would be critical in an area like California, which is criss-crossed by fault lines that have spawned devastating quakes over the years including ones which ravaged San Francisco in 1989 and Los Angeles in 1994.


That has given credence to his research, which was endorsed by a state panel, the California Earthquake Prediction Evaluation Council, earlier this month.


"Even two years back it was practically a dirty word to say earthquake prediction," said Nancy Sauer, an organiser of the annual conference of the Seismological Society of America which began Wednesday in Palm Springs.


The UCLA team -- made up of US, Japanese, Canadian, European and Russian experts in pattern recognition, geodynamics, seismology, chaos theory, statistical physics and public safety -- says it has developed algorithms to detect earthquake patterns.


The experts predicted in June an earthquake measuring 6.4 or higher would strike within nine months in a 496-kilometer (310-mile) region of central California, including San Simeon, where a 6.5-magnitude temblor struck December 22, killing two people.


In July, they said they predicted a magnitude 7.0 or higher quake in a region that included Hokkaido by December 28. The September 25 quake fell within that period.


Now they predict a major quake will hit an area that stretches across desert regions to the east of Los Angeles, home to around nine million people, including the Mojave desert and the resort town of Palm Springs, which lies near the notorious San Andreas fault.


That is where experts began gathering for the Seismological Society of America conference that looks sure to be dominated by passionate discussion of Keilis-Borok's prediction method.


"There is something going on," Sauer told the Desert Sun newspaper in Palm Springs. "People are at least willing to entertain the idea. It is not seen so much as junk science now."


Another seismic expert, University of Oregon professor Ray Weldon, was scheduled to present findings to the conference that appear to support Keilis-Borok's research by saying the San Andreas fault is about to enter a new and violent period of shaking.


The data, according to the Desert Sun, was gathered over 18 years around the famed fault, showing it is under high levels of stress.





"You could consider that support (for Keilis-Borok's research)," Weldon was quoted as saying. "But I dont lend any insight or support to a window of time."

But researchers still point to the fact that the science of earthquake prediction has been notoriously inaccurate and the geographic area targeted by the UCLA team for an imminent quake is very large.

"It is not specific," said Susan Hough, a seismologist for the US Geological Survey based in Pasadena, near Los Angeles. "Theyve made three predictions and two of them have been borne out."

Keilis-Borok himself acknowledged the caution expressed by some of his colleagues. "Application of non-linear dynamics and chaos theory is often counter-intuitive, so acceptance by some research teams will take time."

But if his latest prediction that the earth will move in the area around Los Angeles within the next five months proves accurate, his research could end up saving lives and transforming seismology.

AFG
04-15-2004, 06:11 PM
oh goodie i live in SF, hopefully it wont affect us up here

MetalBoy
04-15-2004, 06:56 PM
See, Maine Finn, LA really isn't such a great place to go to school.

Maine Finn
04-15-2004, 06:58 PM
See, Maine Finn, LA really isn't such a great place to go to school.

Oh, I know. I don't like big cities for the most part, anyway. I'm a country gal.

FallenAngel
04-15-2004, 08:47 PM
Bring it on :lol:

I've lived in LA my whole life and I sleep through these things. I notice more when the Space Shuttle lands at Edwards 100 miles away...

Fintin
04-15-2004, 08:49 PM
just dont forget to put some chocolet milk in the fridge....quake should shake it up nice....thus giving youa fine beverage to drink while watching the world come to an end around you....

Seraphim
09-04-2004, 10:46 PM
Lets see what happens tomorow.

farmgirl
09-04-2004, 10:50 PM
I hope it doesn't happen next weekend.... I'll be in LA to win my billion dollars!!! :D

Romulus
09-04-2004, 10:51 PM
I hope it doesn't happen next weekend.... I'll be in LA to win my billion dollars!!! :D

Good nest egg to start off with in Utah. ;)

Seraphim
09-04-2004, 10:53 PM
I hope it doesn't happen next weekend.... I'll be in LA to win my billion dollars!!! :D

Ya good luck on that...so do you know when it will be aired?

farmgirl
09-04-2004, 10:53 PM
I hope it doesn't happen next weekend.... I'll be in LA to win my billion dollars!!! :D

Good nest egg to start off with in Utah. ;)


My thoughts exactly, sugar... ;)

Seraphim
09-04-2004, 10:57 PM
Wait, Jack lives in Utah.....

farmgirl
09-04-2004, 10:59 PM
I hope it doesn't happen next weekend.... I'll be in LA to win my billion dollars!!! :D

Ya good luck on that...so do you know when it will be aired?


It'll be on ABC next Sunday. (the 12th) I think it's on around 7pm. I'm not sure if I'll actually be on TV or not... if I'm in the final 7 I will be for sure, but I guess we'll just have to wait and see. I suppose I should post a picture of myself, before I go, so you can recognize me if I'm on stage.

Seraphim
09-04-2004, 11:02 PM
I hope it doesn't happen next weekend.... I'll be in LA to win my billion dollars!!! :D

Ya good luck on that...so do you know when it will be aired?


It'll be on ABC next Sunday. (the 12th) I think it's on around 7pm. I'm not sure if I'll actually be on TV or not... if I'm in the final 7 I will be for sure, but I guess we'll just have to wait and see. I suppose I should post a picture of myself, before I go, so you can recognize me if I'm on stage.

So you saying the bikini pics are finally coming out of the closet?

Btw how many contestants are there.

Romulus
09-04-2004, 11:02 PM
I hope it doesn't happen next weekend.... I'll be in LA to win my billion dollars!!! :D

Ya good luck on that...so do you know when it will be aired?


It'll be on ABC next Sunday. (the 12th) I think it's on around 7pm. I'm not sure if I'll actually be on TV or not... if I'm in the final 7 I will be for sure, but I guess we'll just have to wait and see. I suppose I should post a picture of myself, before I go, so you can recognize me if I'm on stage.

Why?

We all will know who it is when the chick comes on stage wearing a torn tight denim top and tight blue jeans, holding a water hose.

farmgirl
09-04-2004, 11:04 PM
I hope it doesn't happen next weekend.... I'll be in LA to win my billion dollars!!! :D

Ya good luck on that...so do you know when it will be aired?


It'll be on ABC next Sunday. (the 12th) I think it's on around 7pm. I'm not sure if I'll actually be on TV or not... if I'm in the final 7 I will be for sure, but I guess we'll just have to wait and see. I suppose I should post a picture of myself, before I go, so you can recognize me if I'm on stage.

Why?

We all will know who it is when the chick comes on stage wearing a torn tight denim top and tight blue jeans, holding a water hose.


boy... I just hate to ruin the image you boys have of me.... ;)

200 contestants in all.

Seraphim
09-04-2004, 11:11 PM
Im sure they will introduce each contestant for a quick second.
"high im so and so from somewhere."

farmgirl
09-04-2004, 11:18 PM
Im sure they will introduce each contestant for a quick second.
"high im so and so from somewhere."


It's a possibility... although with 200 contestants... and only an hour long show... who knows? They are also going to be taping us on Friday and Saturday, so they may show some shots of other things that have gone on during the weekend.

I guess if I introduce myself I can say.... "hi... my name is farmgirl... and I'm from Milphotos.net" ;)

Seraphim
09-04-2004, 11:23 PM
Im sure they will introduce each contestant for a quick second.
"high im so and so from somewhere."


It's a possibility... although with 200 contestants... and only an hour long show... who knows? They are also going to be taping us on Friday and Saturday, so they may show some shots of other things that have gone on during the weekend.

I guess if I introduce myself I can say.... "hi... my name is farmgirl... and I'm from Milphotos.net" ;)

Yeah and everyone would be like, what the deuce did she just say? :lol:

Ratamacue
09-05-2004, 12:11 AM
Wait, what's going on? FG's on a show? Wha?

farmgirl
09-05-2004, 12:46 AM
Wait, what's going on? FG's on a show? Wha?



Here you go, rat.... ;)

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=16613&start=0

Seraphim
09-06-2004, 08:21 PM
Well there was several earthquakes in Japan...