7.62 -vs- 5.56

[snake_eater]

I like 7.62 and can't stand the .22 caliber weapons that are issued out these days.

[Operation Ivy]

been disscussed like 20million times here

[Seraphim]

Sweet I cant get enough of the same discussion!!! woot

[Obergefreiter]

I haven't been here that long so i will join in.

I hate the 5.56 round. My favorite is 8mm Mauser but it is not really a common combat round outside of Serbia anymore.

7.62 is a good round if you want to acctually hurt someone.

[flame suit on]

[Rantanplan]

Sweet I cant get enough of the same discussion!!! woot

Does this mean this will become a "the M14 is the best weapon on the world" thread again? ;) :D

[Falco]

My favorite one is 6.35mm cyanide typed DU round woot woot

[Seeds]

7.62 can over-penetrate and you can carry a lot less of it. As long as you maintain a section GPMG of 7.62 callibre, 5.56 is much more appropriate for riflemen in most cases

[Aussie E]

Small tactical breifcase nuke beats both hands down! You just can't carry as many in the field. Did I forget to mention it is the best counter-ambush weapon?

[catchv22]

7.62x39mm, 7.62x51mm or 7.62x54R?

[Ratamacue]

I'm partial to 30mm DU rounds.

[bertfivesix]

6.8x43mm SPC

[Yard Ape]

been disscussed like 20million times hereYes, and other polls have had more options:

What is the best assault rifle caliber? (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=12102)


:D

[Fintin]

i think a chain saw or a baseball bat would work fine....a little risk of over penitrating with the saw...but the bat gets a good solid hit and rarely over penitrates....

[Tony Williams]

See: http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/Assault.htm for an analysis of the history of assault rifles and their ammunition - plus what would work best.

Tony Williams: Military gun and ammunition website (http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk) and Discussion forum (http://forums.delphiforums.com/autogun/messages/)

[perdurabo]

12... cm sabot shoot out of L55 rheinmetall smothbore gun of LEO2A6 rofl

[Gringo]

When will these polls ever end!!!!!????? :P

[FinnishMF]

WTF !

This should be 5.56 NATO Vs. 7.62x39 ;)


7.62x39 Rules ;)

[Spearin]

I would like to know how many people that are so anti-5.56mm have actual military experience... with the Infantry.

[Tony Williams]

I would like to know how many people that are so anti-5.56mm have actual military experience... with the Infantry.

Well, SOCOM are for a start - and their men have probably shot more people with the 5.56mm than anyone else. It was their dissatisfaction with the 5.56mm's performance which led them to sponsor the development of the 6.8x43 Rem SPC.

Tony Williams: Military gun and ammunition website (http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk) and Discussion forum (http://forums.delphiforums.com/autogun/messages/)

[Uninen]

WTF !

This should be 5.56 NATO Vs. 7.62x39 ;)


7.62x39 Rules ;)

I second that, so much better for assault rifle than either of these..

:)

[ardy]

Well, SOCOM are for a start - and their men have probably shot more people with the 5.56mm than anyone else. It was their dissatisfaction with the 5.56mm's performance which led them to sponsor the development of the 6.8x43 Rem SPC.Or to revise your post for accuracy: It was their dissatifaction with the 5.56mm's performance when fired from the M4 at long range in Afghanistan that led to the development of the 6.8. In Iraq the 5.56 performed well according to all reports I've read.

Btw. you can add "Tony Williams: Military gun and ammunition website and Discussion forum" to your signature(under profile) instead of posting it manually in every post. ;)

[Spearin]

I would like to know how many people that are so anti-5.56mm have actual military experience... with the Infantry.

Well, SOCOM are for a start - and their men have probably shot more people with the 5.56mm than anyone else. It was their dissatisfaction with the 5.56mm's performance which led them to sponsor the development of the 6.8x43 Rem SPC.

Tony Williams: Military gun and ammunition website (http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk) and Discussion forum (http://forums.delphiforums.com/autogun/messages/)

Thanks for the info, but I meant members of this Forum ;)

[MaDuce]

And so the shearch for the magical bullet continues.

[Tony Williams]

Well, SOCOM are for a start - and their men have probably shot more people with the 5.56mm than anyone else. It was their dissatisfaction with the 5.56mm's performance which led them to sponsor the development of the 6.8x43 Rem SPC.Or to revise your post for accuracy: It was their dissatifaction with the 5.56mm's performance when fired from the M4 at long range in Afghanistan that led to the development of the 6.8. In Iraq the 5.56 performed well according to all reports I've read.

On the contrary, according to the information I have seen published the 6.8x43 was specifically developed to deliver greater effectiveness at ranges of up to 300m (although it also performs quite well at longer distances).

Tony Williams

[Michael RVR]

As long as you maintain a section GPMG of 7.62 callibre, 5.56 is much more appropriate for riflemen in most cases

I think both have advantages, as previously mentioned. One of the main disadvantages of 5.56 is its practically useless for fire support applications, it just doesnt have the legs to do the damage required at extended ranges. (talking over 1500m)

In iraq now, its been said many a time that most combat engagements are occuring below 300m, where 5.56 is usually sufficient - out of the longer barrels in any case.

All that said i've only ever shot targets with both calibers, not people. All i can say is that the 5.56 is accuate at the ranges where infantry soldiers are likely to engage. If it lacks killing power, then maybe the 6.8mm is more appropriate - but i wouldnt say that 7.62mm is neccesary for the average infantryman.

[MaDuce]

Both are good for different things. No such thing as the wonder bullet. Or wonder gun for that matter

[Tony Williams]

As long as you maintain a section GPMG of 7.62 callibre, 5.56 is much more appropriate for riflemen in most cases

Or to look at in another way, if you had the 6.8x43 in rifles and MGs, you wouldn't need the 7.62x51.

Tony Williams

[Mark Sman]

280mm with a 15 kiloton warhead. And thats just my choice for a PDW round.

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[Alpha Leader]

I`d rather carry 500 rounds of 5.56 than 500 rds of 7.62.
But i prbably would miss the power of 7.62.
LESS IS MORE!!Right?

[Spearin]

I`d rather carry 500 rounds of 5.56 than 500 rds of 7.62.
But i prbably would miss the power of 7.62.
LESS IS MORE!!Right?

Yep.

5.56mm might not be as great for support at greater ranges, but would still be effective as anti-personnel. That's why there is still a 7.62mm GPMG with most Armies.

[rob]

ive been watching band of brothers so right now im a bit partial to the 30.06. man times have changed :cantbeli:

[Michael RVR]

Or to look at in another way, if you had the 6.8x43 in rifles and MGs, you wouldn't need the 7.62x51.


Tony do you have any stats as to how the 6.8x43 measures up against the 7.62x51 energy wise ?

Just wondering as to its effectiveness as a direct fire support/coax weapon, say out to 2000m.

[Tony Williams]

This is from the article on Assault Rifles and their Ammunition on my website:

"This is the 6.8x43 Remington SPC (Special Purpose Cartridge) which fires a 115 grain bullet at 2,650 fps from a 16.5 inch barrel (7.45g at 808 m/s = 2,430j); very similar to the 'ideal' 6.85mm listed above. The cartridge case is based on the old .30 Remington commercial round, with a larger diameter than the 5.56x45 to increase the case capacity. This round develops 55% more muzzle energy than the 62 grain SS109/M855 loading at the muzzle, rising to 84% better at 550m due to its superior ballistic coefficient. The trajectory precisely matches that of the 7.62x51 ball out to 500m, and is only 10cm low at 600m."

I think it would probably run out of puff by about 800m. 2,000m shooting calls for the .50!

Tony Williams

[Ian H]

6.8mm and 6.3mm are two different rounds right? I'm getting confused.

Also, sigs have been switched off unfortunately. :(

Yay! 300 woot

[Tony Williams]

What 6.3mm?