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12-06-2006, 11:31 PM
The Realists' Repudiation Of Policies for a War, Region

By Glenn Kessler and Thomas E. Ricks
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, December 7, 2006; Page A01

The Iraq Study Group report released yesterday might well be titled "The Realist Manifesto."

From the very first page, in which co-chairmen James A. Baker III and Lee H. Hamilton scold that "our leaders must be candid and forthright with the American people," the bipartisan report is nothing less than a repudiation of the Bush administration's diplomatic and military approach to Iraq and to the whole region.

Throughout its pages, the report reflects the foreign policy establishment's disdain for the "neoconservative" policies long espoused by President Bush and his aides. But while many of its recommendations stem from the "realist" school of foreign policy, it is unclear at this point whether a radically different approach would make much difference nearly four years after the invasion of Iraq.

The administration's effort to spread democracy to Arab lands is not mentioned in the report, except to note briefly that most countries in the region are wary of it. The report urges direct talks with Iran and Syria, both of which the administration has largely shunned. It also calls for placing new emphasis on resolving the Israel-Arab conflict, including pressing Israel to reach a peace deal with Syria, on the grounds that the issue shapes regional attitudes about U.S. involvement in Iraq. Overall, it strongly suggests that Bush, Vice President Cheney and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice have bungled diplomacy in the region with unrealistic objectives and narrow strategies.

"We took a very pragmatic approach because all of these people up here are pragmatic public officials," Hamilton told reporters, referring to the five Democrats and five Republicans who unanimously endorsed the report's conclusions and recommendations. The bipartisan nature of the report -- and the fact that Baker was secretary of state for Bush's father -- will make it difficult for the White House to ignore. By endorsing the critics' view of the war, the report will also help incoming Democratic congressional leaders frame the debate over Iraq as a disaster largely of the administration's making.

In a lengthy preamble to the recommendations titled "Assessment," the report gives a dispassionate account of the "grave and deteriorating" situation in Iraq, echoing books and news reports that the administration had previously criticized as one-sided or overly negative. The report's description of the violence in Iraq, which amounts to an attack on the administration's understanding of the facts on the ground, will likely set the new baseline for how the Iraq conflict is portrayed.

"The ability of the United States to influence events within Iraq is diminishing," the report warns.

The report is replete with damning details about the administration's inept handling of Iraq. It notes, for instance, that only six people in the 1,000-person embassy in Baghdad can speak Arabic fluently. It recounts how the military counted 93 acts of violence in one day in July, when the group's own reexamination of the data found 1,100 acts of violence. "Good policy is difficult to make when information is systematically collected in a way that minimizes discrepancy with policy goals," the report says.

The report calls for seeing Iraq differently, for scaling back the administration's goals and for ending the president's open-ended commitments to the war-torn country. It also argues that the administration should support a "far-reaching" amnesty of insurgent fighters, pointedly warning that neither the executive nor legislative branches should try to undermine an amnesty program.

Administration officials yesterday gamely insisted that the report is not a criticism of the administration's approach. White House spokesman Tony Snow said many issues raised in the report are being discussed and addressed by the administration. "You're asking if that is a repudiation of policy," he told reporters. "No, it's an acknowledgment of reality."

On both the diplomatic and military fronts, the report differs sharply from the administration's current approach. Perhaps befitting a panel with two former secretaries of state -- Lawrence S. Eagleburger is also a member -- a large section of the report outlines what it labels "the New Diplomatic Offensive."

The section appears to be an implicit rebuke of the policies pursued by Rice, arguing that her current efforts to build a regional "compact for Iraq" are too narrow, that her efforts to engage moderate Arab states lack ambition, and that her pursuit of Israeli-Palestinian peace needs to be reinvigorated. Bush has shunned a hands-on role in the issue, but the report says that "the United States does its ally Israel no favors in avoiding direct involvement to solve the Arab-Israel conflict."

"Everybody said that if you're going to settle Iraq, it is important that you do what you can to settle Israel-Palestine," Eagleburger said, asserting a linkage that until now the administration had rejected. The report makes no mention of the moribund U.S.-backed peace plan known as the road map.

The report also urges high-level talks with Iran and Syria without preconditions, although it sets goals for those talks that struck some analysts as unrealistic. Iran and Syria might have been more amenable to serious negotiations several years ago -- the panel noted, for instance, that Iran was helpful in Afghanistan after the fall of the Taliban -- but that moment has probably passed, now that Iran and Syria believe the United States is on the ropes. Baker, who said "you talk to your enemies, not just your friends," suggested that one goal of such talks would be to demonstrate to others in the region that Iran and Syria want Iraq to fail.

Outgoing Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld also comes in for some pointed commentary, with the group's 46th recommendation being that his successor repair relations with the top military brass.

The report's core military recommendation -- that almost all U.S. combat troops be withdrawn by the beginning of 2008, but that a large force be left to train and advise Iraqi forces -- struck some military experts as appropriate, but others called it overly ambitious.

Anthony Cordesman, a defense expert at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, criticized the recommendation to quadruple the current number of U.S. advisors and trainers to about 20,000 soldiers, saying: "The U.S. is to rush in more qualified trainer and embeds that it doesn't have and assign more existing combat forces unqualified for the mission." Indeed, among the lessons brought home by U.S. trainers over the past three years are that many were unprepared for the task and that the mission is extremely difficult. It requires not just knowledge of U.S. combat operations but also of foreign weaponry and, most of all, of Iraqi culture.

Quang X. Pham, author of a memoir about his service in the U.S. Marine Corps and his father's time as a pilot for the South Vietnamese military, said he considers the troop plan a thinly disguised form of quitting. "In one year, during the 2008 election year, the United States will abandon and betray Iraq as it did South Vietnam," predicted Pham, who was a pilot during the Persian Gulf War.

Meanwhile, Rep. Maxine Waters (D-Calif.), head of the "Out of Iraq" congressional caucus, said it appears to her that the group is calling only for improvements to the Bush administration's plan to stand down U.S. forces as Iraqi forces stand up.

2Sheds_Jackson
12-07-2006, 08:37 PM
I find it interesting, and very depressing, that one of the report's major recommendations was that we need to stop politicizing the war, and using it as a political lever. Of course, the immediate response was for Pelosi to once again call the administration's policies failed and inept, and for Gore to call the war the worst decision in US history.

annihilation
12-07-2006, 08:44 PM
I find it interesting, and very depressing, that one of the report's major recommendations was that we need to stop politicizing the war, and using it as a political lever. Of course, the immediate response was for Pelosi to once again call the administration's policies failed and inept, and for Gore to call the war the worst decision in US history.

I agree, but this war was politcial way before pelosi called it a failure. Its not just the democrats that made this political, the administration also did it with "you are with us or against us" crap.

I was watching the news, looks like the congress and administration are talking about accepting some of the recommendations and not all of them. But the Iraq Study Group keeps on saying you need to accept all of the plan in order for it too work.

annihilation
12-07-2006, 08:45 PM
Forgot to ask, 2sheds, what do you think of the overall baker plan?

dangerclose
12-07-2006, 08:56 PM
The Iraq Surrender Group Report urges direct talks with Syria and Iran who both have been fueling the insurgency? The Israel-Arab conflict will be resolved when one side is allowed to win and not by U.S. State Dept.



New York City is toast.

Dasein
12-07-2006, 09:21 PM
There is no singular insurgency. The Iranians back the Shia factions against the Sunni, because of strong cultural ties and obvious geopolitical concerns.

The US has little choice but to deal with Iran and Syria - they are two of Iraq's major neighbors and Iran is a major power in the region. Ignoring those two and still expecting there to be any hope for success in Iraq is simply absurd.

mailmannz
12-08-2006, 04:21 AM
I agree, but this war was politcial way before pelosi called it a failure. Its not just the democrats that made this political, the administration also did it with "you are with us or against us" crap.

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EVERY war is political and while the dems didnt make it more so, they certainly have used the war to their political advantage back home.

Mailman

annihilation
12-08-2006, 10:08 AM
EVERY war is political and while the dems didnt make it more so, they certainly have used the war to their political advantage back home.

Mailman


No different than Bush standing on the carrier saying mission accomplished. Everyone is trying to use the war for their own best interest instead of the best interest of America or its military soldiers.

jim416
12-08-2006, 12:55 PM
Well, what fries me is the liberals/press rantings about no connection of Al Qaida and Iraq. Correct? That's been driven home over and over.

Then what the hell does the selling out of Israel have to do with Iraq? I didn't know that Israel was involved in this war. What does surrendering the Golan Heights to Israel have to do with Iraq? Nothing.

This is purely surrender and the left loves it. Gee, Neville Chamberlin had a peace agreement with Hitler. That sure worked out for him, didn't it?

annihilation
12-08-2006, 01:00 PM
Well, what fries me is the liberals/press rantings about no connection of Al Qaida and Iraq. Correct? That's been driven home over and over.

Then what the hell does the selling out of Israel have to do with Iraq? I didn't know that Israel was involved in this war. What does surrendering the Golan Heights to Israel have to do with Iraq? Nothing.

This is purely surrender and the left loves it. Gee, Neville Chamberlin had a peace agreement with Hitler. That sure worked out for him, didn't it?


Ok lets type this again with out having the screen crash. There was no link of AQ and Iraq pre invasion, but now, Iraq is the training grown of AQ.

The Iraqi plan that has been mention talks about a regional effort of negotiations which include settling issues between israel and its neighbors in hopes to bring peace to the region. There has been no talks about selling out Israel.

2Sheds_Jackson
12-08-2006, 05:09 PM
Forgot to ask, 2sheds, what do you think of the overall baker plan?

I haven't had time to read and digest it yet - and seeing as how I have a full night of adult beverages planned....I'll probably read it tomorrow and post some more incoherent rantings tomorrow. . .

Kitsune
12-08-2006, 05:13 PM
@2sheds:

The first line of the article gives reason to suspect that you wouldn't like it anyway. ;-)

Jobu
12-08-2006, 05:16 PM
Calling these guys realists is a bit of a stretch. They're a bunch of Washington politicos.

Asking Iran for help? Oh yea, that's VERY realistic. I'm sure they'll jump at the chance to help the Great Satan.

These guys are politicians, i.e. morons.

ElHombre
12-10-2006, 12:34 AM
Seems a good part of their plan involves the Iraqi gov't taking control of the country, which means this plan has a fatal flaw.


I was watching the news, looks like the congress and administration are talking about accepting some of the recommendations and not all of them. But the Iraq Study Group keeps on saying you need to accept all of the plan in order for it too work.

I think that the ISG took the wrong approach in dealing with Bush. They tried to be reasonable and the only way to get Bush to do something he doesn't want to do is to shame him into it. Look at the 9/11 commission. Bush was adamantly opposed to it until that group of 9/11 widows publicly demanded answers. The result? Bush flip-flopped.

8thidpathfinderpower
12-10-2006, 11:41 PM
Seems a good part of their plan involves the Iraqi gov't taking control of the country, which means this plan has a fatal flaw.



I think that the ISG took the wrong approach in dealing with Bush. They tried to be reasonable and the only way to get Bush to do something he doesn't want to do is to shame him into it. Look at the 9/11 commission. Bush was adamantly opposed to it until that group of 9/11 widows publicly demanded answers. The result? Bush flip-flopped.

You got that right. But be thankful for Bush's stubborn pig-headness. That report was and is a total waste of tax payer dollars. I do not agree with the reasons why we invaded Iraq, or the way important military discisions are micromanaged by some pencil pushing politician 7000 miles away. But, I have to side with Bushypoo on this...it would be a failure to leave Iraq until the job is done.

That report, although a well written piece of fiction, fails to adress the "what ifs."

What if we put 10,000 more advisors in the Iraqi army? Well that anwser is becoming increasingly clear. None of the major players want the us to do that. It is viewed as an insult to the fledgling Iraqi defense forces. And if there are desertions,corruption now, you ain't seen nothing yet. Not only will we be fighting Al Queda and other forgien fighters and insurgents, but we might end up fighting the very people we trained to date.

What if the USA did pull out and Al Queda and other terror groups were allowed to set up base in Iraq? What if Iran, and Syria decided to end the war on their own accord, and it erupted into other neighboring countries?
What would happen to our dependance on oil from that region?people think oil prices are high now, just wait until a region wide war effects the oil supply. And the biggest what if of all...what if Iraq is too far gone...and it splits into 3 seperate states? Not a bad idea, but sooner or later one or all of those new states would be at war because of the vast wealth from Iraqi oil not being given to all equally.

And those are part of the what ifs. That report is nothing but a political ploy to get the USA out of Iraq gracefully. We were not prepared for a prolonged war with high casulties on both sides. And, we made the second biggest mistake of all besides invading the country to begin with...we did it without proper planning and preperation for a long stay in that country. And at the time, it was looked at as a quick painless military victory for the USA. But now it has turned out anything but. And, our inept political leaders and all their wisdom want to cut and run for all they are worth.

annihilation
12-11-2006, 09:40 AM
You got that right. But be thankful for Bush's stubborn pig-headness. That report was and is a total waste of tax payer dollars. I do not agree with the reasons why we invaded Iraq, or the way important military discisions are micromanaged by some pencil pushing politician 7000 miles away. But, I have to side with Bushypoo on this...it would be a failure to leave Iraq until the job is done.

That report, although a well written piece of fiction, fails to adress the "what ifs."

What if we put 10,000 more advisors in the Iraqi army? Well that anwser is becoming increasingly clear. None of the major players want the us to do that. It is viewed as an insult to the fledgling Iraqi defense forces. And if there are desertions,corruption now, you ain't seen nothing yet. Not only will we be fighting Al Queda and other forgien fighters and insurgents, but we might end up fighting the very people we trained to date.

What if the USA did pull out and Al Queda and other terror groups were allowed to set up base in Iraq? What if Iran, and Syria decided to end the war on their own accord, and it erupted into other neighboring countries?
What would happen to our dependance on oil from that region?people think oil prices are high now, just wait until a region wide war effects the oil supply. And the biggest what if of all...what if Iraq is too far gone...and it splits into 3 seperate states? Not a bad idea, but sooner or later one or all of those new states would be at war because of the vast wealth from Iraqi oil not being given to all equally.

And those are part of the what ifs. That report is nothing but a political ploy to get the USA out of Iraq gracefully. We were not prepared for a prolonged war with high casulties on both sides. And, we made the second biggest mistake of all besides invading the country to begin with...we did it without proper planning and preperation for a long stay in that country. And at the time, it was looked at as a quick painless military victory for the USA. But now it has turned out anything but. And, our inept political leaders and all their wisdom want to cut and run for all they are worth.

I think those we train in the Iraqi army we are already fighting. The military is full of insurgents and terrorists in the mist. I like the report from what I read. Sure there are points we all don't agree. But atleast it was new eyes looking at a crappy problem. What do we have too lose by coming up with new studies? Can't be any worse than stay the course. Stay the course is either going to lead to a civil war (if you believe in the president its not yet)
or the next president of the USA is going to have to deal with it. The president ****ed us hard.

Dronetek
12-11-2006, 09:53 AM
I think those we train in the Iraqi army we are already fighting. The military is full of insurgents and terrorists in the mist. I like the report from what I read. Sure there are points we all don't agree. But atleast it was new eyes looking at a crappy problem. What do we have too lose by coming up with new studies? Can't be any worse than stay the course. Stay the course is either going to lead to a civil war (if you believe in the president its not yet)
or the next president of the USA is going to have to deal with it. The president ****ed us hard.

Agreeing with the report simply because its something different, is pretty shaky ground and dangerous.