Chinese FC-1/Pakistani JF-17

[xjym2002]

Prototype 03.

from left
http://image2.sina.com.cn/dy/c/2004-04-10/U48P1T1D3114643F21DT20040410041817.jpg
from right
http://image2.sina.com.cn/dy/c/2004-04-10/U48P1T1D3114643F23DT20040410041817.jpg
taking off
http://image2.sina.com.cn/dy/c/2004-04-10/U48P1T1D3114643F1394DT20040410041817.jpg

http://www.pakistanidefence.com/news/FullNews/2004/April2004/jf17Proto3PafPilots.htm

[Maxi]

redefining the word JUNK!

[J-10]

http://www.cjdby.com/uploadfile/20044111352911337.jpg

http://bbs.china.com/images/2004-04-10/1081594377200393015534450201.jpg

http://bbs.china.com/images/2004-04-13/1081840761xzy2.jpg

[duck]

Why don't you go out for a date with someone, young lady? The Chinese guy that dumped you is not the only one,you know. Let us know how it went.

[duck]

Btw, that was for our little bitch Mashi/Maxi who apparently left already.

[Maxi]

Why don't you go out for a date with someone, young lady? The Chinese guy that dumped you is not the only one,you know. Let us know how it went.what? someone here got his feeling hurt then went around venture to hurt others? what a lowly Chink thing to do. duckie must have been hanging with the lowly Chinks for too logn that he starts to act like one. or duckie is one to begin with? :D

[Fintin]

shhhhh....no one wants to hear your narrow views...

[barakelde]

Is it just me or the rear end (bottom part in particular) of that aircraft looks quite similar to MiG-21 series?

[iflu]

Why don't you go out for a date with someone, young lady? The Chinese guy that dumped you is not the only one,you know. Let us know how it went.what? someone here got his feeling hurt then went around venture to hurt others? what a lowly Chink thing to do. duckie must have been hanging with the lowly Chinks for too logn that he starts to act like one. or duckie is one to begin with? :D

u should have been in korea and u would be so dead.

[J-10]

Is it just me or the rear end (bottom part in particular) of that aircraft looks quite similar to MiG-21 series?

http://www.sinodefence.com/airforce/aircraft/fighter/fc1.asp

[barakelde]

Thanks J-10 :)

[catchv22]

Shush Maxi... someone will change your diaper and the moderators will give you a pacifier to suck on too

[marty649]

Are those pictures from the 60's or are they actual modern prototypes. Anyways good first step for the Chinese but it shows just how far they have to come in terms of fighter aircraft. I thought bubble Canopies had proven their usefulness

[perdurabo]

i like it's look, so classical line of jet fighter ...
PLA AF isn't going to buy it? i heard that it's only to sell abroad....

[xjym2002]

i like it's look, so classical line of jet fighter ...
PLA AF isn't going to buy it? i heard that it's only to sell abroad....

I heard the same. In Chinese forum there has been a debate on whether FC-1 could help the company survive.

[oldsoak]

Not a bad start at all. Looks kind of F20 Tigershark at first glance, but its quite different. Good luck to them !

[xjym2002]

Not a bad start at all. Looks kind of F20 Tigershark at first glance, but its quite different. Good luck to them !

Thanks.

It is still largely a MiG-21/J-7 heritage, but equipped with western electronics. The project once called Super-7, got help mainly from US company, Northrop (why F20 look?) I remember, before cancled after that bloody summer 15 years ago.

[FinnishMF]

redefining the word JUNK!
What the f*ck is wrong with you ?!
:-*$

[Hare]

Not a bad start at all. Looks kind of F20 Tigershark at first glance, but its quite different. Good luck to them !

Thanks.

It is still largely a MiG-21/J-7 heritage, but equipped with western electronics. The project once called Super-7, got help mainly from US company, Northrop (why F20 look?) I remember, before cancled after that bloody summer 15 years ago.in other words, the work of a clumsy thief. :D :D

[Imshi-Yallah]

Hmm mods here obviously condone racism?

The FC-7 is an attempt to capture the future Asian market for an F-5 replacement, hoping to supplant more expensive western designs that are usually just modified Lead in Fighter Trainers.

[xjym2002]

redefining the word JUNK!
What the f*ck is wrong with you ?!
:-*$

Maxi banned, Hare born.

[edit] response to the free English teacher little rabbit who was banned several times

[Flagg]

Interesting...the top view...from the cockpit back looks quite similiar to the F16.

If the basic aircraft capabilities are superior to the F5 series and are in the neighborhood of the F16A, and the price is right(meaning cheap!), they might sell quite a few to nations unable to afford Western kit.

If it's cheap enough...maybe we can all pitch in and buy one!

For some reason I thought I read something about this being an aircraft focused on replacing Pakistani F6s & F7s.

Anyone have any basic performance details on this bird?

[Hare]

redefining the word JUNK!
What the f*ck is wrong with you ?!
:-*$

Maxi banned, Hare borned.why cant you post in proper and grammatically correct Eng, lowly Chink? were you born stupid or is it something you acquired later on? :D

[weedman]

Reminds me of a mixture of Mig-21, F-16 and Mirage :roll:

[Hare]

Interesting...the top view...from the cockpit back looks quite similiar to the F16.

If the basic aircraft capabilities are superior to the F5 series and are in the neighborhood of the F16A, and the price is right(meaning cheap!), they might sell quite a few to nations unable to afford Western kit.

If it's cheap enough...maybe we can all pitch in and buy one!

For some reason I thought I read something about this being an aircraft focused on replacing Pakistani F6s & F7s.

Anyone have any basic performance details on this bird?too crappy to stay in the air long enough to have those stats gauged. the lowly Chinks just cant do anything right.

[duck]

Come to papa and stop bitching.

[Hare]

Come to papa and stop bitching.oops, rubbed a raw nerve, again. these lowly Chinks, pretty fragile creatures, aint they?

[oldsoak]

"yawn"....
baby rabbit is back....

[Lysander]

Did anyone notice that he wing fences (? not sure if thisis the correct term) are no longer on the wings of the plane? The pictures of 03 show smoothe wings, where as the yellow prototype still has the fences present. Any idea what this means?

[HELEX]

Looks a bit like Mirage F1, F-16 and Mig 21. I heard it is planned to be a cheap fighter for third world Airforces.
That means they get new planes and dont hasve to buy used russian or western types.

[J-10]

Looks a bit like Mirage F1, F-16 and Mig 21. I heard it is planned to be a cheap fighter for third world Airforces.
That means they get new planes and dont hasve to buy used russian or western types.

You are right. :lol: FC-1 is a cheap fighter for export.

PLA use J-10(F-10):
http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/forums/uploads/post-15-1080913721.jpg

[J-10]

Did anyone notice that he wing fences (? not sure if thisis the correct term) are no longer on the wings of the plane? The pictures of 03 show smoothe wings, where as the yellow prototype still has the fences present. Any idea what this means?

You are a detail person. :lol:

the yellow one is prototype 01.
http://tech.enorth.com.cn/images3/200309/fc1/30904031.jpg

[obd]

Wow, I thought Chinese stuff was bad but a collaborative effort between Pakistan and China on a high tech single seat fighter type!!! Now thats something I wouldnt touch with a ten foot pole and I volunteered to fly in the Osprey!!

[oldsoak]

The Chinese and the Pakistanis do have a crop of some very competent engineers - the Arabs, Indians and Pakistanis do produce some top notch techno types - some work in the west doing some very high tech stuff. You cant stop them from going home and bringing their skills back with them. Heck, some components for western passenger aircraft are made in China and both Boeing and Airbus are happy to use them.

[CottonTail]

^ in other words, they are thieves. agreed.

[cheukkin]

^ in other words, they are thieves. agreed.

Pesi is also copy of coke , what is wrong with that!? Learning someone's great is noraml process.

[marty649]

The Chinese and the Pakistanis do have a crop of some very competent engineers - the Arabs, Indians and Pakistanis do produce some top notch techno types - some work in the west doing some very high tech stuff. You cant stop them from going home and bringing their skills back with them. Heck, some components for western passenger aircraft are made in China and both Boeing and Airbus are happy to use them.


They have some of the Best reverse Engineers in the world

[FloppyEars]

The Chinese and the Pakistanis do have a crop of some very competent engineers - the Arabs, Indians and Pakistanis do produce some top notch techno types - some work in the west doing some very high tech stuff. You cant stop them from going home and bringing their skills back with them. Heck, some components for western passenger aircraft are made in China and both Boeing and Airbus are happy to use them.


They have some of the Best reverse Engineers in the worlda thief by any other name is still a thief

[Sora]

heard its worst than Taiwan latest IDF version

[Ghostwolf]

I don't know what you think, but I heard that on their first prototype aircraft the analogue gauges(and not digital MFDs) are used.

[Uninen]

^ in other words, they are thieves. agreed.

No you fool, they are "sub-contractors" making the parts because Airbus or Boeing ordered the do build em.

:roll:

[786mine]

heard its worst than Taiwan latest IDF version

I heard the same, but for the first try, I think Pakistan is doing good in it's persuit to build Pakistani war machines.

[snapper]

redefining the word JUNK!

And your level of expertise is what exactly???

[epc]

FC-1 might not be much compared to a wesrtern frontline fighter, but for Pakistani AF it's a big improvement over its current main fighters, J-6/Mig-19 type. FC-1 is intended to be the replacement of J-6 as PAF's main fighters.

And as member 'J-10' pointed out, PLAAF itself will use J-10.

Personally, I don't know why PAF is settling for FC-1. There are so many current fighter types available on the market from companies eager to sell. With Pakistan's foreign relation improving due to its current fight against terrorists, it should be able to find a willing seller.