4/15/04 - Ten Russian soldiers killed in Chechnya

[American Patriot]

RIP

http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticle/2004/04/0139cda9-f5f4-40cb-a383-041e090341d6.html


Vladikavkaz, 15 April 2004 (RFE/RL) -- An official in the Kremlin-backed Chechen administration said on condition of anonymity that 10 Russian soldiers died in rebel attacks throughout Chechnya over the past 24 hours.

The official said five Russian soldiers were wounded. Russian planes and artillery today also pounded several other southern regions in a routine effort to hit suspected rebel hideouts, and at least 220 people were detained in sweeps for suspected rebels and accomplices.

Russian forces pulled out from Chechnya in 1996 after being fought to a standstill by rebels in a 20-month war, leaving the region de-facto independent.

They came back in 1999 after Chechnya-based militants launched forays into the neighboring province of Daghestan and after the deaths of some 300 people in apartment bombings that officials blamed on Chechen separatists.

[MetalBoy]

Is this conflict ever going to end? Why can't Spetsnatz just take care of the guerrilla's leadership? RIP to those soldiers, fallen in the War on Terror.

[Kingpin]

This is style of AFP message => it is untrue. Forget about it man.

[seruriermarshal]

This is style of AFP message => it is untrue. Forget about it man.

Why ?

[American Patriot]

Here's a better article with more details. Again RIP to Russian soldiers.

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,9295348%255E1702,00.html


TEN Russian servicemen died in rebel attacks in Chechnya in the past day, officials said today.

Five Russian troops were killed and another eight were wounded in rebel shellings of Russian military outposts across Chechnya over the past 24 hours, an official in the Kremlin-backed Chechen administration said on condition of anonymity.

Another two servicemen were shot dead and four others wounded in a clash with rebels near the village of Ersenoi in the southern Vedeno region.

Three servicemen were killed and five wounded in two other clashes yesterday in the Shatoi region, the official said.

In the southern mountains, Russian troops continued their sweep for rebels who raided the village of Iskhoi-Yurt and killed at least seven policemen earlier this week.






Russian aviation and artillery overnight also pounded several other southern regions in a routine effort to hit suspected rebel hideouts, and at least 220 people were detained in sweeps for suspected rebels and accomplices.

Russian forces pulled out from Chechnya in 1996 after being fought to a standstill by rebels in a 20-month war, leaving the region de-facto independent and largely lawless.

They swept back in 1999 after Chechnya-based militants launched forays into the neighbouring province of Dagestan and after the deaths of some 300 people in apartment bombings that officials blamed on Chechen separatists.

Last year, Moscow backed a constitutional referendum and local presidential election in Chechnya, presenting them as political moves toward peace even though international organisations said they were tainted by fraud.

Russia's Central Election Commission chief Alexander Veshnyakov said today that elections to Chechnya's local legislature could be held in the fall, the Interfax news agency reported.

Despite Moscow's claim that the region is returning to normalcy, daily fighting and other violence has continued to plague Chechnya.

[Kingpin]

This is style of AFP message => it is untrue. Forget about it man.

Why ?

AFP often reports something like"30 Russian soldiers been killed in Chechnya for last 24 hours". It seems that they take news from the same BS source like kavkazcenter.org :)

It is very funny.

But believing in this is very stupid. I personaly know man who served in Chechnya as conscript in 2001. They didn't take ANY casualties during whole deployment (except some non-military accidents). This is more reliable account. :)

[American Patriot]

This is style of AFP message => it is untrue. Forget about it man.

Why ?

AFP often reports something like"30 Russian soldiers been killed in Chechnya for last 24 hours". It seems that they take news from the same BS source like kavkazcenter.org :)

It is very funny.

But believing in this is very stupid. I personaly know man who served in Chechnya as conscript in 2001. They didn't take ANY casualties during whole deployment (except some non-military accidents). This is more reliable account. :)

Have some respect for your country's dead. :bash:

[Kingpin]

Have some respect for your country's dead. :bash:

Who's said i don't?

[American Patriot]

Trying to cover up their deaths (for whatever reason) is not exactly honoring them. :cantbeli:

[Kingpin]

Trying to cover up their deaths (for whatever reason) is not exactly honoring them. :cantbeli:

I just don't beleive to AFP and Radio Freedom.

[seruriermarshal]

Trying to cover up their deaths (for whatever reason) is not exactly honoring them. :cantbeli:

I just don't beleive to AFP and Radio Freedom.

Your meaning is AFP lie to everyone ?

:roll:

[American Patriot]

official in the Kremlin-backed Chechen administration

Unlike in the U.S., Russia doesn't confirm or deny **** about anything so we may never know. The source (your country's own selected puppet leader of Ingushetia) sounds credible though.

[Kingpin]

official in the Kremlin-backed Chechen administration

Unlike in the U.S., Russia doesn't confirm or deny **** about anything so we may never know. The source (your country's own selected puppet leader of Ingushetia) sounds credible though.

:) Ha ha once again. How do you know that he doesn't have Anti-russian agenda? How do you know he is not lying for some purpose? In Chechen administration works A LOT of ex-insurgents and also it is seems to be infiltrated by insurgents' agents.

Well since some other sources confirm death of three soldiers in battle in southern Chechnya - we can agree on that. The rest of story still unconfirmed.

[ShotOver]

Piss off Kingpin, honestly... you **** me.

[ikurinturbiini]

Why can't Spetsnatz just take care of the guerrilla's leadership?

Excellent question.

Pinhead? PermskiiOMOH? StukaJr? Sergei? Anyone? What's taking those Spetsnatz so long?

Maybe because they ain't all that?

RIP.

[Nizark]

yeah ya know, i read a similar thing on kavazcenter tonight..anyone have a second source?

[intelligenzija]

why don t your Delta guys just cant take care of bin laden?

Because they couldnt find him. These terrorists have strange habbitants.
They live on trees, under the earth in the mountains...
btw Spetsnaz has already killed/arrested many leaders..

[Sergei]

Why can't Spetsnatz just take care of the guerrilla's leadership?

Excellent question.

Pinhead? PermskiiOMOH? StukaJr? Sergei? Anyone? What's taking those Spetsnatz so long?

Maybe because they ain't all that?

RIP.

How can you fight someone if he is civilian during the day and fighter during the night? Spetsnaz can round all male civilians in a particular village and put them into a detention camp, but then Human Rights International and europussies will go berserk on will spit the usual **** on how Russia violates the Human Rights of Chechens. So the spetsnaz is basically fighting with the hands tied around their balls.
As for the leadership, see what has happened to two operatives who blew up Yandarbiev, they were ratted out by our "friends", the USA to the Qatari hands.
Who said War on Terror?

[Kingpin]

Why can't Spetsnatz just take care of the guerrilla's leadership?

Excellent question.

Pinhead? PermskiiOMOH? StukaJr? Sergei? Anyone? What's taking those Spetsnatz so long?

Maybe because they ain't all that?

RIP.

Top/famous insurgents
Dudaev - killed
Baraev Sen. - killed
Baraev Jr. - killed
Raduev - died
Khattab - killed
Batalov - captured
Tazabaev - killed
Chalaev - killed
Gasaev - killed
Gelaev - killed
Abu-Umar - killed
Abu-Yakub - killed
Israpilov - killed
and so on so on

Yamadaev brothers now completely on Russian side (since 1999)

Among those who still alive only Maskhadov, Basaev and Abu al-Valid didn't killed/captured for very long time. But my guess - this is result of some political games with current chechen administration. Truly speaking Basaev should be killed in 1999 but troops didn't receive orders to destroy column where he was.

+ Huge amount of different medium level commanders. iI'm not going to find them all

[ikurinturbiini]

Why can't Spetsnatz just take care of the guerrilla's leadership?

Excellent question.

Pinhead? PermskiiOMOH? StukaJr? Sergei? Anyone? What's taking those Spetsnatz so long?

Maybe because they ain't all that?

RIP.

How can you fight someone if he is civilian during the day and fighter during the night? Spetsnaz can round all male civilians in a particular village and put them into a detention camp, but then Human Rights International and europussies will go berserk on will spit the usual **** on how Russia violates the Human Rights of Chechens. So the spetsnaz is basically fighting with the hands tied around their balls.

Good answer. That's it, I guess.

[ikurinturbiini]

Why can't Spetsnatz just take care of the guerrilla's leadership?

Excellent question.

Pinhead? PermskiiOMOH? StukaJr? Sergei? Anyone? What's taking those Spetsnatz so long?

Maybe because they ain't all that?

RIP.

Top/famous insurgents
Dudaev - killed
Baraev Sen. - killed
Baraev Jr. - killed
Raduev - died
Khattab - killed
Batalov - captured
Tazabaev - killed
Chalaev - killed
Gasaev - killed
Gelaev - killed
Abu-Umar - killed
Abu-Yakub - killed
Israpilov - killed
and so on so on

Yamadaev brothers now completely on Russian side (since 1999)

Among those who still alive only Maskhadov, Basaev and Abu al-Valid didn't killed/captured for very long time. But my guess - this is result of some political games with current chechen administration. Truly speaking Basaev should be killed in 1999 but troops didn't receive orders to destroy column where he was.

+ Huge amount of different medium level commanders. iI'm not going to find them all

Oh, like wow, impressive. I guess that means that the fighting must have been over for like years now. Go Spetsnaz!

[RomanS]

thats because Chechens have a right to exist.

but trying to prove about the spetsnaz to you all, is like kicking the ball against the wall. It will still return to you, no matter how you kick it.

[Navid]

never ceases to amaze me the idiots who post on these boards.. READ THE DAMN ARTICLE YOU POST!!!!

it sais.. 10 soilders killed ACCORDING TO A " CHECHEN OFFICIAL who will remain nameless" which is equievelent to saying " 10000 americans will killed according to a fiery cleric in najaf who has a army called medhi who is 30 years old but shall remain NAMELESS..

STOP POSTING PARAPAGANDA and passing it off as a crediable just because you saw it in AP!!

[American Patriot]

never ceases to amaze me the idiots who post on these boards.. READ THE DAMN ARTICLE YOU POST!!!!

it sais.. 10 soilders killed ACCORDING TO A " CHECHEN OFFICIAL who will remain nameless" which is equievelent to saying " 10000 americans will killed according to a fiery cleric in najaf who has a army called medhi who is 30 years old but shall remain NAMELESS..

STOP POSTING PARAPAGANDA and passing it off as a crediable just because you saw it in AP!!

Chechnya has a Pro-Russian Kremlin backed leader you blockhead. :lol:

[Russian Texan]

Chechnya has a Pro-Russian Kremlin backed leader you blockhead. :lol:

Chechnya also has it's "representative" in Europe as well as an ex-President (although he is in denial) Mashadov.
And time to time they report things like: brave Allah warriors have destroyed a division of infidels' tanks, shot down 12 "Black sharks", sunk a submarine, etc....
So there are two kinds of "chechen officials"....

[German_American]

RIP for the soldiers fighting those terroist sons of bitches

[Claymore]

AFP often reports something like"30 Russian soldiers been killed in Chechnya for last 24 hours". It seems that they take news from the same BS source like kavkazcenter.org :)


...And normal Russian way is to say that enemy's casualties were three times higher and own casualties were half smaller than right numbers. :)

[StukaJr]

Why can't Spetsnatz just take care of the guerrilla's leadership?

Excellent question.

Pinhead? PermskiiOMOH? StukaJr? Sergei? Anyone? What's taking those Spetsnatz so long?

Maybe because they ain't all that?

RIP.

Many factors play in and you are an educated individual to figure out by yourself. But for conversation sake:

There is no singular or united leadership - there are numerous groups, the largest ones not fielding more than couple hundred men at a time. Each group has its respective leader - some leaders feud, some leaders choose to work together, some leaders command enough notariety to seem like they are the leaders of the entire guierilla force - however, unity is temporary and equal that of warlords of Somalia, Afganistan and Iraq... There has been work to turn those warlords against each other and history has proven it to work - it's already showing to work in Chechnya.

Foreign Bases of operations - such as Georgia or Aizerbajan... Kill one "leader" and you have a line waiting to take his place at the teat of funds poured in to support the rebels... Treating Georgia like Laos wouldn't do russia any good - making a business of being a "muj" less lucrative has been russian army priority and less and less civilians support so called mujahadeen.

http://www.aeronautics.ru/img001/chechnya91.jpg

The man in the far left, looking at the camera - is wearing a leather coat that is typical to that of a Aizerbajan mafia. I'm not stating that he is, but Aiziri and Georgian mafia has made it their number one business to become the end route for the money supplied to the terrorists - perhaps, so many foreign fighters are pouring into Chechnya to make sure that teat never dries up.

I think it's rather obvious that the so called "freedom fighters" are in it to gain power by use of arms and create a nation that is lawless and can gain them wealth through arm/drug trade... In the democratic nation with elected government and free trade - they would have no power, no voice and no real talent.

[ikurinturbiini]

Why can't Spetsnatz just take care of the guerrilla's leadership?

Excellent question.

Pinhead? PermskiiOMOH? StukaJr? Sergei? Anyone? What's taking those Spetsnatz so long?

Maybe because they ain't all that?

RIP.

Many factors play in and you are an educated individual to figure out by yourself. But for conversation sake:

There is no singular or united leadership - there are numerous groups, the largest ones not fielding more than couple hundred men at a time. Each group has its respective leader - some leaders feud, some leaders choose to work together, some leaders command enough notariety to seem like they are the leaders of the entire guierilla force - however, unity is temporary and equal that of warlords of Somalia, Afganistan and Iraq... There has been work to turn those warlords against each other and history has proven it to work - it's already showing to work in Chechnya.

Foreign Bases of operations - such as Georgia or Aizerbajan... Kill one "leader" and you have a line waiting to take his place at the teat of funds poured in to support the rebels... Treating Georgia like Laos wouldn't do russia any good - making a business of being a "muj" less lucrative has been russian army priority and less and less civilians support so called mujahadeen.

http://www.aeronautics.ru/img001/chechnya91.jpg

The man in the far left, looking at the camera - is wearing a leather coat that is typical to that of a Aizerbajan mafia. I'm not stating that he is, but Aiziri and Georgian mafia has made it their number one business to become the end route for the money supplied to the terrorists - perhaps, so many foreign fighters are pouring into Chechnya to make sure that teat never dries up.

I think it's rather obvious that the so called "freedom fighters" are in it to gain power by use of arms and create a nation that is lawless and can gain them wealth through arm/drug trade... In the democratic nation with elected government and free trade - they would have no power, no voice and no real talent.

Very interesting. So, just for the sake of conversation, what course of action would you suggest to end the war? As a matter of fact, is there any kind of a military solution to the problem?