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Sua Sponte
12-08-2006, 04:31 AM
More than anything else, Vlad III Ţepeş is known for his exceeding cruelty. Impalement was Ţepeş's preferred method of torture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torture) and execution (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Execution). His method of torture was a horse attached to each of the victim's legs as a sharpened stake was gradually forced into the body. The end of the stake was usually oiled, and care was taken that the stake not be too sharp; else the victim might die too rapidly from shock. Normally the stake was inserted into the body through the anus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anus) and was often forced through the body until it emerged from the mouth. However, there were many instances where victims were impaled through other bodily orifices or through the abdomen or chest. Infants were sometimes impaled on the stake forced through their mother's chests. The records indicate that victims were sometimes impaled so that they hung upside down on the stake.
As expected, death by impalement was slow and painful. Victims sometimes endured for hours or days. Vlad often had the stakes arranged in various geometric patterns. The most common pattern was a ring of concentric circles in the outskirts of a city that constituted his target. The height of the spear indicated the rank of the victim. The corpses were often left decaying for months.
Thousands were often impaled at a single time. 10,000 were impaled in the Transylvanian city of Sibiu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sibiu) (where Vlad the Impaler had once lived) in 1460. The previous year, on Saint Bartholomew's Day (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Bartholomew%27s_Day) (in August), Vlad the Impaler had 30,000 of the merchants and officials of the Transylvanian city of Braşov (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bra%C5%9Fov) that were breaking his authority impaled. One of the most famous woodcuts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woodcut) of the period shows Vlad the Impaler feasting amongst a forest of stakes and their grisly burdens outside Braşov, while a nearby executioner cuts apart other victims.
Impalement was Vlad the Impaler's favourite but by no means his only method of torture. The list of tortures employed by the prince is extensive: nails in heads, cutting off of limbs, blinding, strangulation, burning, cutting off of noses and ears, mutilation of ****** organs (especially in the case of women), scalping, skinning, exposure to the elements or to animals, and boiling alive.
No one was immune to Vlad the Impaler's attentions. His victims included women and children, peasants and great lords, ambassadors from foreign powers and merchants. However, the vast majority of his European victims came from the merchants and boyars of Transylvania and his own country, Wallachia. Many have attempted to justify Vlad's actions on the basis of nascent nationalism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationalism) and political necessity. Most of the merchants in Transylvania and Wallachia were Saxons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transylvanian_Saxons) who were seen as parasites, preying upon Romanian natives of Wallachia, while the boyars had proven their disloyalty time and time again (Vlad's own father and older brother were murdered by unfaithful boyars). It is highly contested whether he was actually insane, though he certainly had no problem giving that impression. His domestic atrocities were largely driven by one or more of three motives: personal or political vendettas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vendetta), the establishment of iron-fisted law and order in Wallachia, and nationalizing the province's economy through policies that would be identified today as economic nationalism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_nationalism).
Vlad Ţepeş committed even more impalements and other tortures against invading forces, namely Ottomans. It was once reported that an invading Ottoman army turned back in fright when it encountered thousands of rotting corpses impaled on the banks of the Danube. In 1462 Mehmed II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehmed_II), the conqueror of Constantinople (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_of_Constantinople), a man not noted for his squeamishness, returned to Constantinople after being sickened by the sight of 20,000 impaled corpses outside of Vlad's capital of Târgovişte. Many of the victims were Turkish prisoners of war Vlad had previously captured during the Turkish invasion. The total Turkish casualty toll in this battle reached over 40,000. The warrior sultan turned command of the campaign against Vlad over to subordinates and returned to Istanbul, even though his army had initially tripled Vlad's in size and was better equipped.
Vlad the Impaler began his reign of terror almost as soon as he came to power. His first significant act of cruelty may have been motivated by a desire of revenge as well as a need to solidify his power. Early in his reign he gave a feast for his boyars (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boyars) and their families to celebrate Easter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter). Vlad was well aware that many of these same nobles were part of the conspiracy that led to his father's assassination (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination) and the burying alive of his elder brother, Mircea. Many had also played a role in the overthrow of numerous Wallachian princes. During the feast Vlad asked his noble guests how many princes had ruled during their life times. All of the nobles present had outlived several princes. One answered that at least thirty princes had held the throne during his life. None had seen less than seven reigns. Vlad immediately had all the assembled nobles arrested. The older boyars and their families were impaled on the spot. The younger and healthier nobles and their families were marched north from Târgovişte to the ruins of Poienari Castle in the mountains above the Argeş River. Vlad the Impaler was determined to rebuild this ancient fortress as his own stronghold and refuge. The enslaved boyars and their families were forced to labor for months rebuilding the old castle with materials from another nearby ruin. According to the reports, they labored until the clothes fell off their bodies and then were forced to continue working naked. Very few of the old gentry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentry) survived the ordeal of building Vlad's castle.
Throughout his reign, Vlad systematically eradicated the old boyar class of Wallachia. The old boyars had repeatedly undermined the power of the prince during previous reigns and had been responsible for the violent overthrow of several princes. Apparently Vlad Ţepeş was determined that his own power be on a modern and thoroughly secure footing. In place of the executed boyars, Vlad promoted new men from among the free peasantry and middle class; men who would be loyal only to their prince. Many of Vlad's acts of cruelty can be interpreted as efforts to strengthen and modernize the central government at the expense of the decaying feudal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feudal) powers of nobility carried over from the Middle Ages (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_Ages).


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlad_the_Impaler


Your Opinion?

Loki77
12-08-2006, 04:54 AM
Most of the merchants in Transylvania and Wallachia were Saxons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transylvanian_Saxons) who were seen as parasites, preying upon Romanian natives of Wallachia, while the boyars had proven their disloyalty time and time again (Vlad's own father and older brother were murdered by unfaithful boyars).

Saxons=parasites????

Vlad the Impaler vs Buffy the Vampire Slayer
However, Romanians have mixed feelings about linking one of their national heroes to the vampire monster.

Chops
12-08-2006, 06:06 AM
What the **** is this doing in General Discussion?

Schizo
12-08-2006, 07:16 AM
His method of torture was a horse attached to each of the victim's legs as a sharpened stake was gradually forced into the body. The end of the stake was usually oiled, and care was taken that the stake not be too sharp; else the victim might die too rapidly from shock. Normally the stake was inserted into the body through the anus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anus) and was often forced through the body until it emerged from the mouth.

That's ****ing horrible!

Connaught Ranger
12-08-2006, 07:30 AM
Hallo Sua Sponte:)

"Thousands were often impaled at a single time. 10,000 were impaled in the Transylvanian city of Sibiu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sibiu) (where Vlad the Impaler had once lived) in 1460. The previous year, on Saint Bartholomew's Day (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Bartholomew%27s_Day) (in August), Vlad the Impaler had 30,000 of the merchants and officials of the Transylvanian city of Braşov (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bra%C5%9Fov) that were breaking his authority impaled. One of the most famous woodcuts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woodcut) of the period shows Vlad the Impaler feasting amongst a forest of stakes and their grisly burdens outside Braşov, while a nearby executioner cuts apart other victims."

Vlad Tepes 1431 - 1471

you neglet to mention that you copied the item from Wikipedia under the

"Alleged Attrocities"

section, not all thats in Wikipidea is to be taken at face value. :-P

With regards the numbers, 30,000 merchants!!!! seems to be a hugh amount of merchants for a small town back in the 1400s.
As with many figures quoted for times such as these they grow bigger with each telling of the story.

"Saxons" were encouraged to settle in what is today the western areas of Romania see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transylvanian_Saxons

Connaught Ranger.

Labud
12-08-2006, 09:27 AM
That's ****ing horrible!

This was standard turkish method of killing during Ottoman era in Balkans. Vlad III used turkish killing technology.

Loki77
12-08-2006, 09:36 AM
This was standard turkish method of killing during Ottoman era in Balkans. Vlad III used turkish killing technology.

Frightful........

Chris
12-08-2006, 10:05 AM
reminds me of

http://www.geocities.com/cool_rito/tacosydoener/doener.jpeg

Loki77
12-08-2006, 10:11 AM
reminds me of

http://www.geocities.com/cool_rito/tacosydoener/doener.jpeg


Normally the stake was inserted into the body through the anus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anus) and was often forced through the body until it emerged from the mouth.


Frightful..

Basillicus
12-08-2006, 10:53 AM
:|
I will never eat kebab again...




... just kidding, who could resist juicy roasted impaled infidels. woot

2Sheds_Jackson
12-08-2006, 03:10 PM
Vlad strong. But I also think a good portion of this is hooey. I want Mythbusters to impale somebody to see if it's even possible to cram a huge oiled pole up somebody's wow hole, and have it come out their mouth. I bet you'd have it coming out their armpit, or back, or whatever. I nominate Michael Moore, since he's heavy and will require less horsepower to pull down on the pole. He's practically self-impaling. Plus the logistics of impaling 30k people is staggering - the amount of wood, horses, man hours etc would require a Herculean effort.

Echo300
12-08-2006, 03:26 PM
Vlad strong. But I also think a good portion of this is hooey. I want Mythbusters to impale somebody to see if it's even possible to cram a huge oiled pole up somebody's wow hole, and have it come out their mouth. I bet you'd have it coming out their armpit, or back, or whatever. I nominate Michael Moore, since he's heavy and will require less horsepower to pull down on the pole. He's practically self-impaling. Plus the logistics of impaling 30k people is staggering - the amount of wood, horses, man hours etc would require a Herculean effort.
rofl rofl rofl

Violet Fashion by Mindy
12-08-2006, 03:43 PM
Some of the litertature I've read on this man it's amazing.

The Western world actually owe alot of it's existance to this man. He played a very delicate political game in which he was dead smack in the middle of two warring nations yet managed to avoid being put in the middle of it all.

The legend of is brutality was no doubt created as a means of preventing either the turks or Austro-hungarians from invading his country.

As for his alleged brutality. From some of the material I've read. His wife was the one that was the mean one.

NixXxoN
12-08-2006, 06:26 PM
He played a very delicate political game in which he was dead smack in the middle of two warring nations yet managed to avoid being put in the middle of it all.

Sounds like Sweden during WWII! :)

Insane Tadpole
12-09-2006, 07:12 AM
Sounds like Sweden during WWII! :)
hahaha thats so true. good call.

Labud
12-09-2006, 12:30 PM
The legend of is brutality was no doubt created as a means of preventing either the turks or Austro-hungarians from invading his country.

Austro-Hungary didn't exist at that time. It was only Hungary under mighty ruler king Mathew Korvin (1458-1490).

CyberSpec
12-09-2006, 07:14 PM
Vlad strong. But I also think a good portion of this is hooey. I want Mythbusters to impale somebody to see if it's even possible to cram a huge oiled pole up somebody's wow hole, and have it come out their mouth. I bet you'd have it coming out their armpit, or back, or whatever. I nominate Michael Moore, since he's heavy and will require less horsepower to pull down on the pole. He's practically self-impaling. Plus the logistics of impaling 30k people is staggering - the amount of wood, horses, man hours etc would require a Herculean effort.

The stake came out of your back/shoulder.

It took skill to avoid the vital organs in order to prolong the agony....apparently it took about 2-3 days for the person to die.

The stake was slowly hammered in by a large wooden mallet

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The stories about his brutality are grossly exagerated, although he probably was a mean bastard......not the only one at the time.

Because he clamped down on the Saxons, later german writers turned him into a monster. Later on with the invention of the printing press, pamphlets about him spread throughout Europe and by the 19th century we get his transformation into "Count Dracula".

Like Minardau wrote, he was an important political figure of the time.

blue104
12-10-2006, 06:31 AM
It is unknown whether or not Vlad had thousands of Turkish prisoners impaled to deter Mehmet II from extenting his campaign in Wallachia but Turkish and Balkan historical sources agree on one thing; Mehmet was so horrified by what he saw of Vlad's cruelty that he quickly abandoned any thoughts of punitive action against the Balkanite warload and sped to safer climes.

And this from the man who conquered Constantinople.

aixina
12-11-2006, 09:46 AM
probably it wasn't only thehorror of the sight, what made the turkish army turn back. just imagine thousands of roting corpses along the path of a medieval army, nothing spreads faster through an army than desease. Maybe the decission was a strategical one.

Lord Impaler
12-14-2006, 10:26 AM
probably it wasn't only thehorror of the sight, what made the turkish army turn back. just imagine thousands of roting corpses along the path of a medieval army, nothing spreads faster through an army than desease. Maybe the decission was a strategical one.
I wonder; people back then hadn't the slightest idea that germs existed. I think the most they knew was that sick people who hung around healthy people too long eventually made the healthy ones sick.


As to the technicalities of impaling, there's a good description of the process in Dracula, Prince of Many Faces. I have little doubt that the point emerged from people's mouths, if only because the sheer quantity of people executed in this manner practically gurantees such a result sooner or later.


I personally consider Dracula one of the most underrated personalities in history.
First of all, he was intelligent: many of his policies were designed to cement his hold on the country and increase its prosperity.
The enslavement and execution of the noblemen, for example, served a number of purposes: first, he rebuilt a strategic fort. Second, he wiped out an entire generation of nobles whom he had precious little reason to trust. Third, it demonstrated to the peasants just who really ruled Wallachia. The latter had built up some kilns and prepared equipment for the construction, and it must have been quite an experience for them to be told to stand aside and see these richly dressed gentlemen in chains and under armed guard working on what the peasants must have assumed would be their project.
Dracula also understood that Wallachia's future was based on two things: peasant power and trade. Wallachia's territory was along what was then a vital trade route. His brutal intolerance of criminal behavior was designed to assure merchants that travel through his country was safe; eventually, if the plan worked, a massive portion of East-West trade would go through his land.
Although Dracula was a thorough autocrat, he also understood the importance of his peasant subjects to Wallachia's development. Thus he took a strangely paternalistic interest in them and elevated worthy subjects to boyar status.
I also consider Dracula to be one of the best military commanders of the time, perhaps ranking among the best in history. He defeated an overwhelmingly superior army, and came frighteningly close to capturing or killing the Sultan himself. His later overthrow by his seditious brother and surviving boyars in no way detracts from what was a stunning victory for a Christian monarch at the time.

n.ignomo
12-14-2006, 03:05 PM
How was he killed ? I guess he must have been murdered by one his leutnants, as always.

I'mOnlyHalfPolish
12-15-2006, 12:48 AM
How was he killed ? I guess he must have been murdered by one his leutnants, as always.

killed in battle i believe AFAIK

dave81
12-15-2006, 01:13 AM
Stake through the heart. And a crucifix. By the way the name of the Romanian camp in Nasiriyah is...

Bandeirante
12-17-2006, 12:46 AM
We had Francisco Solano Lopez in our part of the Planet.
He destroyed his country, Paraguay.
In some points he can win Vlad :cantbeli: because he flogged and killed his own mother and brothers:

The war which ensued, lasting until 1 March (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_1) 1870 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1870), was carried on with great stubbornness and with alternating fortunes, though López's disasters steadily increased. In 1868, when the allies were pressing him hard, he convinced himself that his Paraguayan supporters had actually formed a conspiracy against his life. Thereupon several hundred prominent Paraguayan citizens were seized and executed by his order, including his brothers and brothers-in-law, cabinet ministers, judges, prefects, military officers, bishops and priests, and nine-tenths of the civil officers, together with more than two hundred foreigners, among them several members of the diplomatic legations (the San Fernando massacres). During this time he also had his mother flogged and ordered her execution, and also attempted to have himself canonized by the local bishops. López was at last driven with a mere handful of troops to the northern frontier of Paraguay, where, in the Battle of Cerro Corá (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Cerro_Cor%C3%A1) on 1 March (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_1) 1870 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1870), he was surprised by a Brazilian force and killed by a grenadier as he tried to escape by swimming the river Aquidaban (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Aquidaban&action=edit).
There is a debate within Paraguay as to whether he was a fearless leader who led his troops to the end, or whether he foolishly led Paraguay into a war which it could never possibly win, and which nearly eliminated the country from the map.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francisco_Solano_L%C3%B3pez