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fdt
04-16-2004, 09:46 AM
Polish officials of the multinational division revealed that they were not informed of Paul Bener decision to close Sadrist newspaper and to arrest one of his aides. Multinational division had no chance to prepare itself for the upcoming events neither to voice it's opinion on the decisions directly affecting the situation in their responsibility zone. (after "Gazeta Wyborcza" newspaper of 16.04.2004)

Polish military officials who lead the multinational division responsible for security in Najaf and surrounding Shi'ite areas are arguing hard against U.S. forces fighting their way into Najaf, a Polish newspaper said. A 2,500-strong U.S. force is poised outside the city. (after *******) They also said that Polish troops will not take part in attack on Najaf as their mandate is a "stabilization one". Polish command of the multinational division strongly defended the political solution of the Najaf stalemate with participation of the moderate majority (for how long - it's my insertion) Shia fraction led by Sistani. (after "Gazeta Wyborcza" newspaper of 16.04.2004)

http://wwwi.*******.com/images/2004-04-16T121832Z_01_GALAXY-DC-MDF526977_RTRIDSP_2_INTERNATIONAL-IRAQ-DC.jpg

A series of blasts shook Iraq's holy Shi'ite town of Kufa on April 16, 2004 and witnesses saw dozens of armed militiamen rushing to the outskirts where there were reports of clashes with foreign troops. At least four pickups full of armed members of the Mehdi Army, the militia of radical Shi'ite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr, headed for the eastern fringes of Kufa, a town close to Najaf where the cleric is hiding from U.S. troops vowing to kill or capture him. In this photo, a member of the Mehdi Army, a militia force supporting Iraqi Shi'ite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr, carries a sniper rifle near the Holy city of Najaf on April 15, 2004. (after *******)

http://wwwi.*******.com/images/2004-04-16T122203Z_01_GALAXY-DC-MDF526435_RTRIDSP_2_NEWS-IRAQ-CLASHES-DC.jpg

So apparently the force solution prevailed.

All these revelations make me think, how really Breners occupational administration is prepared not only to fight the insurgents (it's known that Brener is a counter terrorism spec) but also to prepare the ground for the future political scene shape. Doesn't he lack the political skills and imagination to do his job decently? What are Your opinions?

fdt
04-16-2004, 10:08 AM
More on the issue:

High rank Polish diplomat warns that US military incursion into the Najaf will almost certainly trigger a hostile reactions from the moderate Shias led by sistani who have so far co-operated with the coalition forces. Similar position was also presented at the Baghdad held briefing the commander of the multinational division gen. Bieniek. Polish diplomatic source (so far undisclosed) says that our position is to "talk to all who don't shoot at us yet" because the force solution may not destroy the sadrist militia causing it only to disperse into a separate groups without any political control. Defense minister of Iran Ali Shamkhani at his visit to Warsaw also supported the talks. As he said, Iran is surprised with the Sadrists support within Iraqi society :) , but if he is treated as a leader by Iraqis he should be treates accordingly by occupational administration.
The ******* correspondent accompanying the gen Richard Myers visit to camp Babylon confirms that gen Bieniek has complained about not informing the multinational division on the anti sadrist actions planned by Brener's occupational administration.

Bulgarian authorities also oppose the force soution (Bulgarian soldiers serve along Polish forces in karbala area). One of the Bulgarian diplomats said that Bulgaria must reconsider the nature of their forces precence as the situation in the area turns the contingent duties from stabilization to combat.

http://serwisy.gazeta.pl/swiat/1,34174,2024641.html

The title of the artricle is: First US-Polish controversies on Iraq.

White_Bear
04-16-2004, 10:56 AM
US shouldn't attack Najaf.It's holy city.This is something like hunting for a fly in a kitchen by using RPG ;))))...It's stupid.Moktada is now in Kut.It's better to kill him because arabs are weak without leadership.Najaf could be isolated or something like that until they will give members of militia away.But any kind of all-out attack on Najaf will be mistake.

By the way-Abdel Mahdi Karbalaj who is a close "friend" of al-sistani said that US forces have no right to attack Najaf and any kind of offensive would be a disaster.So it's a clear message - they don't defend al-Sadr - they are affraid of that city.He didn't say anything about killing al-Sadr but only about Najaf.

ShadowNeo
04-16-2004, 11:34 AM
Going into Najaf would be absolutely stupid, it would do far, far more damage than good, I mean, its like rolling into the Vatican guns blazing.

usa320
04-16-2004, 01:16 PM
im confident Sadr will be dealt with, after the religious happenings in Najaf are over with he will either be captured, killed, or in some way or another disarmed. Hopefully we can deal with the guy to put his guns down in some way. Because we cant let him terrorize us, but to kill him would anger alot of people.

Haiw
04-16-2004, 01:26 PM
im confident Sadr will be dealt with, after the religious happenings in Najaf are over with he will either be captured, killed, or in some way or another disarmed. Hopefully we can deal with the guy to put his guns down in some way. Because we cant let him terrorize us, but to kill him would anger alot of people.
You still lost your bet with Soulhunter though...

fdt
04-16-2004, 02:01 PM
im confident Sadr will be dealt with, after the religious happenings in Najaf are over with he will either be captured, killed, or in some way or another disarmed. Hopefully we can deal with the guy to put his guns down in some way. Because we cant let him terrorize us, but to kill him would anger alot of people.
You still lost your bet with Soulhunter though...What was the bet?

Haiw
04-16-2004, 02:25 PM
Written April 06:


Yep. holding people trying to rebuild his towns and help his people hostage- sounds like a terrorist bastard to me.

If nothing else it will just piss off the Italians and Koreans even more.

Thats okay though, because sometime this week Mucktard al Sadr will either die or be jailed. And id bet my house and my 69' El camino on that.


bet taken!

...


How about if you lose, you leave.


ok!

Time to pay up usa320... I hope you still have a cardboard box!

Gordon
04-16-2004, 02:47 PM
rofl

fdt
04-16-2004, 03:13 PM
Sorry. Doesn't count. Soulhunter didn't put any stake on the table...

GrimmyRX
04-16-2004, 05:09 PM
sure he did, he promised to leave, lol.

usa320
04-16-2004, 05:21 PM
confident Sadr will be dealt with, after the religious happenings in Najaf are over with he will either be captured, killed, or in some way or another disarmed


Sadr will either die or be jailed

I dont see how ive changed my feelings in anyway...the guy needs to be dealt with. Not only does he pose a threat to US forces, but he is a murderer of an Iraqi cleric. He shot a man in a mosque for god sake...

The ideal solution would be him standing down and turning himself in.