USMC Force Recon Qs!

[ossg]

Ive read some about FR and it have come to my knowledge that they are doing "Long range patrol", "Unconventional Warfare" and "Deep Reconnaissance. Just to explain some tasks...

Ive seen many gear-photos with the MICH helmet but just a few with gear like the first pic:
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=88093&highlight=force+recon

Same kit at this model, kind of...
http://www.merit-intl.com/month/10-16-03/bbi/bbi34223.jpg

When do they use this kind of setup, at what kind of missions?
Are the FR like any other SF unit when it comes to gear?
Are they using this kind of setup in missions like them above? ("Long range patrol", "Unconventional Warfare" and "Deep Reconnaissance.)

[LaoSexMachine]

Mission dictares what type of gear.


They are SEALs.

[ossg]

SEALS?
They are using MARPAT in "Goldmans" USMC Force Recon thread???
Im no expert so please explain.

Typical mission in this type of gear could be...??? My books doesnt tell me much about them, sorry for my noob questions...

[h2co32]

Force Recon are not SEALs. And those people photographed in those photos are Force Recon.

And yes, the mission dictates what gear is used. Generally, being a part of the special operations community means you have a larger budget and get to choose what you want. The 19th group out of Washington state have a conex type container per induvidual operator full of whatever they would like.

[LaoSexMachine]

I meant Force Recon are like SEALs.

[dacanadianbomb]

How is Force Recon "like" SEALS
Im not intimate with the subject matter, but I would think the missions are actually very different.
Does FR do UDT, Air insertion etc. stuff as well ?

[KillerBD]

^Like SEALS as in they carry guns? Then yes, their "like" SEALS.

[D-gin]

United States Marine Corps Force Reconnaissance.



Amphibious and deep ground surveillance.

Assisting in specialized technical missions such as Nuclear, Biological, Chemical (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear%2C_Biological%2C_Chemical), Radio, sensors and beacons, etc.

Assisting in ordnance delivery (i.e., designating targets for close air support (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Close_air_support), artillery (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artillery) and naval gunfire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5-54_Mark_45)).

Conducting direct action raids, such as gas and oil platform (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_platform) (GOPLATS) raids and the capture of specific personnel or sensitive materials.

Hostage (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hostage)/prisoner of war (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner_of_war) rescue.

Unconventional warfare (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unconventional_warfare)

Foreign Internal Defense

Counter-Terrorism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counter-Terrorism)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Force_Recon

Photos: http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/album82

[LaoSexMachine]

SEALs are the closet unit I can compare them with.

[ReggayMC]

I'm not sure what point D-gin is trying to get across, but i'm fairly certain that SEAL's also conduct operations like those.

They are SEALs in the sense that they perform similar missions

stop being ****s about it, honestly

[D-gin]

I'm not sure what point D-gin is trying to get across, but i'm fairly certain that SEAL's also conduct operations like those.
They are SEALs in the sense that they perform similar missions
stop being ****s about it, honestly

I wasn't really trying to make a point, I was simply stating what Force Recon's mission is so it could be compared it to the mission of SEALs instead of speculating and having one member trying to explain it to another one.

My post was mainly directed at this post....Sorry for the misunderstanding.


How is Force Recon "like" SEALS
Im not intimate with the subject matter, but I would think the missions are actually very different.
Does FR do UDT, Air insertion etc. stuff as well ?

[ReggayMC]

Oh, that's what i thought you were doing, but i wasn't sure. haha

[BronzeBow]

I’m glad no one here is basing unit comparisons on knowledge gleaned from books and web sites… sources of up-to-date, no BS info.

[LaoSexMachine]

So tell us your intimate knowledge of Force Recon. I was only a grunt. So please do tell.

[gaijinsamurai]

As a former Marine infantryman, Ezekiel knows fully well that USMC Force Recon and Navy SEALs are not exactly the same, and I don't think he was trying to imply that they are.
However, their missions often overlap, and in the purest sense of the word, SEALS are by definition a type of Marine (AND NO, I'M NOT SAYING THEY ARE MARINES!!!!!!!!!), especially if you compare them to the Brit and Netherlands Marines, and Russian Naval Infantry.

[Bohemoth]

As you guys talk already about Force Recon, do they also wear the standard USMC Light Weight Helmet or do they all prefer the MICH?

I have a number of photos showing Marines with CWU-27 Nomex Flight suits and LWHs on their head, but don't know if they are Force Recon or just Forward Marines/MEU.

[gaijinsamurai]

I'm not sure of that one, having been out of the USMC for 15 years now. You might want to ask some of the airsofters!

[ZaakM433]

Force Recon is what I would do frequently if I was in a solid relationship with a female.

[gonzaleznj]

As you guys talk already about Force Recon, do they also wear the standard USMC Light Weight Helmet or do they all prefer the MICH?

I have a number of photos showing Marines with CWU-27 Nomex Flight suits and LWHs on their head, but don't know if they are Force Recon or just Forward Marines/MEU.

Whats the difference between both those helmets? any pics?

[the_recruit]

As you guys talk already about Force Recon, do they also wear the standard USMC Light Weight Helmet or do they all prefer the MICH?

I have a number of photos showing Marines with CWU-27 Nomex Flight suits and LWHs on their head, but don't know if they are Force Recon or just Forward Marines/MEU.


The Nomex suits are issued to most units that are at high risk to IED attacks becuase it provides excelent flashburn protection. Most of these high risk operations involve the type of Direct Action mission the Recon Marines have been doing, Ieds can be used against thier humvees.

[Bohemoth]

Whats the difference between both those helmets? any pics?
This is the LWH:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v643/kwp/b1305a17.jpg

For the MICH just google it up.

[BrianT]

As you guys talk already about Force Recon, do they also wear the standard USMC Light Weight Helmet or do they all prefer the MICH?

I have a number of photos showing Marines with CWU-27 Nomex Flight suits and LWHs on their head, but don't know if they are Force Recon or just Forward Marines/MEU.
I'm pretty sure the MICH based off of pictures and the fact that the MICH is just a better helmet in everyway and the only reason the whole Corp doesn't have one because their budget sucks balls.

[gonzaleznj]

This is the LWH:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v643/kwp/b1305a17.jpg

For the MICH just google it up.

so this is the mitch..... ??

http://www.specwargear.com/consignment/Mich%20shell%201.jpg

then this one on the left
http://www.natick.army.mil/about/pao/pubs/warrior/00/novdec/michkevlar2.jpg

whats the specs on the mich....

also why dont we have helmets
like the spartans did????

i mean besides the point that wed look like evil magnetos...
wouldnt something that protected your face like that
be something u want.p-)

[Anthony91]

^^No. That would be the Lightweight Helmet or LWH for short.

[Göönk]

Force Recon wear MICH 2000 while Marines grunts now wear the Lighweight Helmet

The LWH : it's the new helmet used since 2003 or something by the Marines only (AFAIK, ARMY using the MICH too now) - it's an upgraded PASGT, based on a new para-aramid kevlar. It is supposed to be more resistant to bullets, and the suspension system is improved compared to the PASGT. 4 points attachement and a few extra things. It's more confortable and lighter than a PASGT. But GENTEX (the manufacturer) has a lot of info about that helmet. You can attach the PASGT style NVG mount on a LWH because the front shape is the same.
Now, I have one of those helmets, and a PASGT too. The helmet itself is the same. Same shape. You wouldn't recognize it except the two holes for the chinstrap on the PASGT. The color and textures are the same. Even the color of the inside is the same. Sizes are identical. The suspension is different. I think you can attach the suspension system to the PASGT because the holes are at the same place on both helmets. I didnt test though
GENTEX web (http://www.gentexcorp.com/default.aspx?pageid=955)

[Remington Rand]

Ive read some about FR and it have come to my knowledge that they are doing "Long range patrol", "Unconventional Warfare" and "Deep Reconnaissance. Just to explain some tasks...

Ive seen many gear-photos with the MICH helmet but just a few with gear like the first pic:
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=88093&highlight=force+recon

Same kit at this model, kind of...
http://www.merit-intl.com/month/10-16-03/bbi/bbi34223.jpg

When do they use this kind of setup, at what kind of missions?
Are the FR like any other SF unit when it comes to gear?
Are they using this kind of setup in missions like them above? ("Long range patrol", "Unconventional Warfare" and "Deep Reconnaissance.)

In the 4th pic, that boonie looks strange. Has somethign been added to the loops up top? Also, the brim looks short (like the old "advisor" style tiger stripe boonies) and lastly, I dont see the EGA, though that could be due to the shading. RR

[nilz]

If you zoom in you can see that the brim is cut. There's something laced through the loops, though hard to tell what. EGA is there, just a little lost in the pixel size.

[Azn_US_Marine]

I'm pretty sure the MICH based off of pictures and the fact that the MICH is just a better helmet in everyway and the only reason the whole Corp doesn't have one because their budget sucks balls.

More reason for me to hate civillians that think they're experts without real world experience. At least read the articles about specific gear before making a statement like that. The LWH is an improved PASGT adopted by Marines because Marines want the same coverage of the PASGT but the lighter wieght like the MICH. If you havent noticed, the LWH is a recent new piece of gear in our supply system, its replacing those uncomfortable PASGTs. I havent worn a MICH but I find my LWH comfortable.

[gonzaleznj]

saw this on http://www.recon-tactical.com/