Brave US Army killed many terrorists

[LeMat]

WARNING!! VERY VERY VIOLENT!!
NOT FOR PEOPLE WITH WEAK HEARTH!!

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article6010.htm

Yes. George W. Bush can be very proud. All US soldiers too.

[Undo]

Take this crap back to Al Jazera, dumb ass.

[weedman]

Yes. George W. Bush can be very proud.My opinion!

[Herrmannek]

Lemat why you are posting this ****...You even don't know who killed that children...

[Caraway]

Destroy this thread now, mods!!!

[RomanS]

I second this

kill this topic

[Frens]

5 terrorist less

[weedman]

Kill every critics, the mastersolution !

:roll: :roll:

Many narrow people here :|

[khukuri]

5 terrorist less

say this in front of me and ill cut youre throat

[LeMat]

Lemat why you are posting this ****...You even don't know who killed that children...

No war = no killed children. If USA doesn`t attack Iraq these children will be still alive.
We call it stabilistaion and democratisation... so I want to be unstabilised and antidemocratic but alive.

[MKtexan]

Admins here, please get rid of this topic!!!

[n.ignomo]

The point isn't Bush or another, the point is why do we have to see pics like these ? (won't talk about why-war-like askings but yes)

[weedman]

Lemat why you are posting this ****...You even don't know who killed that children...

No war = no killed children. If USA doesn`t attack Iraq these children will be still alive.
We call it stabilistaion and democratisation... so I want to be unstabilised and antidemocratic but alive.But the point is, that is not stabilistaion and democratisation. (my opinion)

[foxtrot023]

WARNING!! VERY VERY VIOLENT!!
NOT FOR PEOPLE WITH WEAK HEARTH!!

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article6010.htm

Yes. George W. Bush can be very proud. All US soldiers too.
http://www.ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/negative11.jpg

[MKtexan]

LeMat you idiot.


No war = no killed children. If USA doesn`t attack Iraq these children will be still alive.
We call it stabilistaion and democratisation... so I want to be unstabilised and antidemocratic but alive.

If Sadam was still in power, he would be murdering people!!! We are not murdering them. You are a MORON!!!! They are free people now, not under the rule of a dictator, who had murdered tons of people!!!!
:bash: :bash: :bash:

[n.ignomo]

I must say that for irakis, shooting at US forces has to be compared to europeans shooting at germans during WW2. Yes i know historical issues don't give nothing more but attacking "resistants" when you are "invaders"....who is on the good side ?
But we must confess this year is the most peacfull year of all 20/21st centuries, imagine alsacians (french) after 1871 when Germany took this county : if inhabitants have even tried to make riots and kills some germans, these ones would have done it fast and clean by killing everybody. Thank God it is no longer in our countries > has to be in others.

[weedman]

Sorry, but all your responses are so ridiculous.

Why don't you start arguing instead of dissing critics categorically?

And yes, I believe AJ as much as I believe CNN.

[Herrmannek]

Lemat why you are posting this ****...You even don't know who killed that children...

No war = no killed children. If USA doesn`t attack Iraq these children will be still alive.
We call it stabilistaion and democratisation... so I want to be unstabilised and antidemocratic but alive.


No cars = No killed children
No stupid parents = No killed children
No boiling water - No killed children
No Medicines in reach of children = No killed children
No Electricity = No killed children
I see only one ultimate solution fo killed children
No children at all = No killed children, so should we sterilze all people on earth? your argument are as stupid as mine....Even those children were killed bu coalition forces this wasn't done on purpose, but leaving those children in the battlezone by their parents could... Over and Out

[foxtrot023]

Sorry, but all your responses are so ridiculous.

Why don't you start arguing instead of dissing critics categorically?

And yes, I believe AJ as much as I believe CNN.

Yes, good point, however why didn`t LeMat applied it? instead he chose to bleat that the US and its soldiers caused the death of those kids. :bash:

For whatever reason the US went into Iraq, they are not actively trying to kill civilians, as Saddam Hussein did.

Until people stop placing idiotic comments like Lemat did, we reserve the right to answer in like term.

[weedman]

For whatever reason the US went into Iraq, they are not actively trying to kill civilians, as Saddam Hussein did.
Nor are they willing to give power back to the Iraqi or to rebuild the destroyed country.

Really strange, that the first secured, repaired and protected buildings weren't hospitals, water stations and currency plants.

[Catch22]

Lemat why you are posting this ****...You even don't know who killed that children...

No war = no killed children. If USA doesn`t attack Iraq these children will be still alive.
We call it stabilistaion and democratisation... so I want to be unstabilised and antidemocratic but alive.

Well, great maybe now you just post some pics of dead children and pregnant women from Madrid bombings? I haven't heard any coalition represantative stating that there are no civilian casualties in Iraq... So either you want us to be surprised/shocked with this rather obivious fact that there were an there will be civilians suffering in every war in history - or, prehaps u want us to turn pacyfistic? If it the first case - I can grant you - most of us here are well aware of this sad reality. If its the second thing that made you post these pics - and you think you'll stop us from supporting our troops - You're on a wrong formum bud. Go fing some Anti-war or something. If I can speak for most of us - We support the cause&troops lest we regret and pray for those who suffered... That's all from me.

[foxtrot023]

For whatever reason the US went into Iraq, they are not actively trying to kill civilians, as Saddam Hussein did.
Nor are they willing to give power back to the Iraqi or to rebuild the destroyed country.

Really strange, that the first secured, repaired and protected buildings weren't hospitals, water stations and currency plants.

dude, have you heard of the date June 30th? Does it mean something to you?

Of course the first thing that was secured were the oil fields, for many reasons (like, it would be were the money would be taken from to rebuild Iraq, another to prevent an ecological disaster, etc), some good some shady, but there are many.

Having been in Op. Just Cause, I can tell you that even if the GIs are nervous (as anyone would be in combat) they are not killers.

[weedman]

Well, great maybe now you just post some pics of dead children and pregnant women from Madrid bombings? Well, now you are comparing Coalition Troops with Islamistic fundamental terrorists... :lol:

[Herrmannek]

Lemat why you are posting this ****...You even don't know who killed that children...

No war = no killed children. If USA doesn`t attack Iraq these children will be still alive.
We call it stabilistaion and democratisation... so I want to be unstabilised and antidemocratic but alive.

Well, great maybe now you just post some pics of dead children and pregnant women from Madrid bombings? I haven't heard any coalition represantative stating that there are no civilian casualties in Iraq... So either you want us to be surprised/shocked with this rather obivious fact that there were an there will be civilians suffering in every war in history - or, prehaps u want us to turn pacyfistic? If it the first case - I can grant you - most of us here are well aware of this sad reality. If its the second thing that made you post these pics - and you think you'll stop us from supporting our troops - You're on a wrong formum bud. Go fing some Anti-war or something. If I can speak for most of us - We support the cause&troops lest we regret and pray for those who suffered... That's all from me.
Agree

[Ngati Tumatauenga]

No war = no killed children. If USA doesn`t attack Iraq these children will be still alive.
We call it stabilistaion and democratisation... so I want to be unstabilised and antidemocratic but alive.

Just what this forum needs. Another LeftistLiberalUShatingRantingRavingEuropean. :cantbeli:

[LeMat]

LeMat you idiot.

If Sadam was still in power, he would be murdering people!!! We are not murdering them. You are a MORON!!!! They are free people now, not under the rule of a dictator, who had murdered tons of people!!!!
:bash: :bash: :bash:

YES!! IT IS TRUE!! Saddam killed many Kurd people by chemical weapon produced in USA and delivered by USA! When Saddam was in power there were graves on the desert. Now there are graves on the streets. About 15000 civilians were killed during "stabilisation"
What would you prefer - be killed by AK and burried on the desert or be killed by M16 and left on the street?
They are free? So why US Army is still in Iraq? They are free and they don`t want you. So what are you doing here? US go home!

[anonymous individual]

This is one sad thread.

[shrek]

You know, I only have Afghanistan to compare things to so I always default to that, forgive me. However, I don’t hear anybody crying about the kids that were killed over there. Wanna see some f..ked up pictures of them, I got a whole collection on my laptop and in my head.

The kids we killed were killed because their parents decided to have and support a war in their BACKYARD! In Afgh. I shot over them, by them, ran through them and watched as the 82nd accidentally killed a few with mortars. Did I mourn them, yes, I’m not an animal. But they were killed not because those “teenagers” firing the mortars had no hearts. They were killed because these children’s parents decided to shoot RPG’s at us from THEIR OWN FRIGGIN” HOUSE.

Then, of course, the morons that post crap like this will say “no war, no babies killed”. Stop what you are doing and go to Yahoo and look up the Kurdish Gassing Victims like it was mentioned in an earlier post. Man there are some pretty photos in there. Hmmmm, let’s see, who was responsible for that? I think we all know whom.

So, we have two choices here (at least in the US). Go stop the madman before he strikes or provides those that would strike with the means. Or: Look at pictures, just like these, except this time, they will be little American babies, or even French babies, or even Dutch babies. Take your F..king pick.

[LeMat]

No cars = No killed children
No stupid parents = No killed children
No boiling water - No killed children
No Medicines in reach of children = No killed children
No Electricity = No killed children
I see only one ultimate solution fo killed children
No children at all = No killed children, so should we sterilze all people on earth? your argument are as stupid as mine....Even those children were killed bu coalition forces this wasn't done on purpose, but leaving those children in the battlezone by their parents could... Over and Out

So - I can think that Hitler was good man. If we didn`t kill 6 milions Poles they will be killed by cars, electricity, boiling water... isn`t it
Stalin also was very good man.
You wanted to say that?

[Ichhabe]

No war = no killed children. If USA doesn`t attack Iraq these children will be still alive.
We call it stabilistaion and democratisation... so I want to be unstabilised and antidemocratic but alive.

Just what this forum needs. Another LeftistLiberalUShatingRantingRavingEuropean. :cantbeli:

Hey!!!!!????!!!! Wait a second. I'm a so called LeftistLiberal!

[Uncle Sam]

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[shrek]

Hey LeMat.

I fought with some Polish troops in Afgh. If you have any honor do not disgrace them here. That war was just as just as the war in Iraq and you know it!

[Herrmannek]

LeMat you idiot.

If Sadam was still in power, he would be murdering people!!! We are not murdering them. You are a MORON!!!! They are free people now, not under the rule of a dictator, who had murdered tons of people!!!!
:bash: :bash: :bash:

YES!! IT IS TRUE!! Saddam killed many Kurd people by chemical weapon produced in USA and delivered by USA! When Saddam was in power there were graves on the desert. Now there are graves on the streets. About 15000 civilians were killed during "stabilisation"
What would you prefer - be killed by AK and burried on the desert or be killed by M16 and left on the street?
They are free? So why US Army is still in Iraq? They are free and they don`t want you. So what are you doing here? US go home!

Don't you rember clips aried in our tv of Iraqis blown by C4 put in shirt's chest sockets...Don't defend those scumbags, their followers or people who want to take place freed by them

[weedman]

dude, have you heard of the date June 30th? Does it mean something to you?

Of course the first thing that was secured were the oil fields, for many reasons (like, it would be were the money would be taken from to rebuild Iraq, another to prevent an ecological disaster, etc), some good some shady, but there are many.

Having been in Op. Just Cause, I can tell you that even if the GIs are nervous (as anyone would be in combat) they are not killers.That's a very long time. When the Coalition Troops would have focused more on a politically reconstruction and rebuilding, Iraq would be a sovereign state now.

Though I'm European, I know a US soldier, who were in Kuwait and I really know how nervous he and his family was (for the profit of enriching people in the Bush administration).

[Parzival]

Fu****g idiot, Keep this crap in Poland!

[MKtexan]

YES!! IT IS TRUE!! Saddam killed many Kurd people by chemical weapon produced in USA and delivered by USA! When Saddam was in power there were graves on the desert. Now there are graves on the streets. About 15000 civilians were killed during "stabilisation"
What would you prefer - be killed by AK and burried on the desert or be killed by M16 and left on the street?
They are free? So why US Army is still in Iraq? They are free and they don`t want you. So what are you doing here? US go home!

Wow, guess how many people Sadam killed, then compare that to how many we killed(whats your source on the civilian casualties?) trying to bring deomcracy there, not just murdering. What is better, Democracy with no murderer or Dictatorship with a murderer?

[usa320]

THATS BULL.

I specifically remember seeing those EXACT SAME PHOTOS aired on a documentary in 1997 about the Iraqi Gassing of the kurds.

BUSTED.

[Uncle Sam]

http://img30.photobucket.com/albums/v89/bargus/PISSANYTHING.gif

[American Patriot]

CNN = Communist News Network
Al Qazeera = Jihad News Network

[foxtrot023]

YES!! IT IS TRUE!! Saddam killed many Kurd people by chemical weapon produced in USA and delivered by USA! When Saddam was in power there were graves on the desert. Now there are graves on the streets. About 15000 civilians were killed during "stabilisation"
What would you prefer - be killed by AK and burried on the desert or be killed by M16 and left on the street?
They are free? So why US Army is still in Iraq? They are free and they don`t want you. So what are you doing here? US go home!
http://www.ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/negative4.jpg

[mack pl]

"Gdzie drwa rąbią, tam wióry lecą"-przykre ale prawdziwe :|

[mack pl]

Fu****g idiot, Keep this crap in Poland!THX , but we dont want it ;)

[LeMat]

Hey LeMat.

I fought with some Polish troops in Afgh. If you have any honor do not disgrace them here. That war was just as just as the war in Iraq and you know it!

Sorry but Afghanistan is different situation. In Afghanistan we are fighting with terrorists who attacked USA. So it is good war (if war can be good). But Iraq is bad war. No WMD, no terrorists, no new mass graves.

[weedman]

Sorry but Afghanistan is different situation. In Afghanistan we are fighting with terrorists who attacked USA. So it is good war (if war can be good). But Iraq is bad war. No WMD, no terrorists, no new mass graves.... no weapons of mass destruction.

[American Patriot]

Saddam killed millions of his own citizens and harbored terrorists. That's a proven fact.

[MKtexan]

Sorry but Afghanistan is different situation. In Afghanistan we are fighting with terrorists who attacked USA. So it is good war (if war can be good). But Iraq is bad war. No WMD, no terrorists, no new mass graves.


No, not really LeMat. Sadam had terrorists in his country, and he supported their actions against the United States. He harbored terrorists and paid money to the families of suicide bombers. and who gives a crap whethere there were WMD's or not, can we not all agree Sadam was a bad man and it is good he is gone now? Now that he is gone America is safer because terorists have one less haven in the Middle East. [/quote]

Oh yea... There were new mass graves found in Iraq. So i dont know where you are getting your "Information."

[weedman]

Saddam killed millions of his own citizens and harbored terrorists. That's a proven fact.But definetly not Al Qaida. :roll:

[Fox2]

I love it. You condemn the war in Iraq and the actions of US servicemen, and yet your avatar is a desert-camoed US Army infantry soldier, from a videogame, nonetheless!

So, tell me, Weedman; If the US is so evil for liberating Iraq, how much worse are you for playing a video game about it for entertainment?!

Smell that? Smells like hypocrisy!

[DrunkenMaster]

its not that im cold hearted at all but it seems like a possible form of propaganda than obviously has worked on the weakminded, and who knows how these innocent lives were taken. Just because you see a disturbing photograph (and that is truly disturbing) does not mean we the United States are to blame. There is clear cut terrorism that has been pinpointed to a specific groups of people. The world witnessed these disturbing images. If the United States is acting in such a evil "kill them all" type of attitude then I am sure the world will force the United States to leave Iraq.

My bottom line, don't believe all that you see, read or hear.

[weedman]

I love it. You condemn the war in Iraq and the actions of US servicemen, and yet your avatar is a desert-camoed US Army infantry soldier, from a videogame, nonetheless!

So, tell me, Weedman; If the US is so evil for liberating Iraq, how much worse are you for playing a video game about it for entertainment?!

Smell that? Smells like hypocrisy!If I'd taken an insurgent, I couldn't post anything :lol:

Reality is reality, a game is a game. :D

[Fox2]

Sounds pretty twisted. You know, playing out the lives of those you believe to be murderers for fun. The fact that you do it for mere entertainment shows the lack of respect you have for the people really dying out there.

[weedman]

Don't get me wrong:

I really commiserate the US soldiers, which are giving their life away for the profit of others.
And I also sentence every death of an US soldier, but also every useless death of an Iraqi or any other human being.

[Fox2]

Ah, I see. So, in a show of respect, you reenact their deaths over and over for your personal enjoyment. That makes sense. :P

[Maine Finn]

Sounds pretty twisted. You know, playing out the lives of those you believe to be murderers for fun. The fact that you do it for mere entertainment shows the lack of respect you have for the people really dying out there.

I agree. Several people I know are over there, or have been over there and have since come home safely. I have enough respect for them not to ask about what it's like over there, about what they saw and went through. I honour their willingness to serve and am working right now toward service myself.

"Honour through remembrance", not slander and pointing fingers.

~Emily

[Saint]

Maybe if the Iraqis stopped putting military targets near schools or hospitals or religious sites then **** like this wouldn't happen. This is the reason they do **** like that. They did in the first Gulf War and they do it now.

[MKtexan]

weedman wrote
But definetly not Al Qaida.

That does not matter weedamn, its not what terrorists group was there, but whether a terrorist group was there.[/quote]

[shrek]

Ah, the grammatically challenged Pol speaks from experience I guess. Ahh, yes, the mighty Taliban! The men who flew those planes into our buildings, no……wait…..it was Al Qaeda. Hmmmmm, who did I kill then, Terrorist? Nope, no Al Qaeda in any group I shot at, no Taliban on those planes.

Nope, I killed TALIBAN! Why you ask!


BECAUSE THEY SUPPORTED TERRORISM YOU MORON!

The only difference between Afgh. and Iraq is that we didn’t wait for them to bloody our nose again.


Question: If your next door neighbor is building a bomb and you can see from a window in your house that it has your children’s name on it, do you let him finish building it. Fok no, you go take it from him.

I reiterate for those who missed it. I fought with Pols, don’t disgrace them here, if you really are Polish?

[Herrmannek]

I reiterate for those who missed it. I fought with Pols, don’t disgrace them here, if you really are Polish?
Shame he is :(

[shrek]

Sorry Herr, didn't notice, no offense!

[MaDuce]

LeMat you fu*ken asshole those photos make you happy. I bet they maked you just explode in your pants. You never give up a chance to spread **** and propaganda. I hope you get your limbs blown off in a terrorist attack.

[afrographX]

LeMat you fu*ken asshole those photos make you happy. I bet they maked you just explode in your pants. You never give up a chance to spread **** and propaganda. I hope you get your limbs blown off in a terrorist attack.
fact is: according to the international law this war is illegal
and
fact is: the US are not trying to bring democracy to iraq. the bush administration's major interest is to extend their hegemony in the arabic world and to secure the oil sources

it is very sad that the government betrays the american soldiers by saying that they are fighting for democracy

[mack pl]

I reiterate for those who missed it. I fought with Pols, don’t disgrace them here, if you really are Polish?
Shame he is :(Black sheep ;)

[Fox2]

fact is: according to the international law this war is illegal

Fact is: This war is not illegal. Name the law the US, UK, and other allies broke.

Fact is: It is only considered so because some big shots (read: France, Russia, UN "Oil for Bloody Money" program) got their panties in a bunch due to losing a major arms customer.

Fact is: Their panties are still bunched.

Fact is: Their citizens are obviously more than willing to bow to their self-interest, most likely due to a long-running contempt for the US.

[MKtexan]

afrographX wrote:

fact is: according to the international law this war is illegal
and
fact is: the US are not trying to bring democracy to iraq. the bush administration's major interest is to extend their hegemony in the arabic world and to secure the oil sources

it is very sad that the government betrays the american soldiers by saying that they are fighting for democracy


International law is a crock if we are not allowed to defend ourselves. Whatever the United States has to do to defend itself is justefied. Yes we are trying to bring a Democracy to Iraq, or we would have left after we defeted Sadams army!!! what are we doing there now?? oh yea you spewed the usual liberal line that "Its for oil." thats the oldest liberal lie in the book. Show me proof that we are stealing their oil. we are using it to rebuild thir contry unlike Sadam who used it for himslef.

[MKtexan]

Fox2 wrote:

Fact is: This war is not illegal. Name the law the US, UK, and other allies broke.

Fact is: It is only considered so because some big shots (read: France, Russia, UN "Oil for Bloody Money" program) got their panties in a bunch due to losing a major arms customer.

Fact is: Their panties are still bunched.

Fact is: Their citizens are obviously more than willing to bow to their self-interest, most likely due to a long-running contempt for the US.

Nicely put, Fox2!!!

[Operation Ivy]

THATS BULL.

I specifically remember seeing those EXACT SAME PHOTOS aired on a documentary in 1997 about the Iraqi Gassing of the kurds.

BUSTED.

haha

[mack pl]

This thread is **** :( Locked it :bash:

[Uncle Sam]

Again...I must comment...

http://img30.photobucket.com/albums/v89/bargus/PISSANYTHING.gif

[afrographX]

[quote=afrographX]fact is: according to the international law this war is illegal

Fact is: This war is not illegal. Name the law the US, UK, and other allies broke.

quote]

:cantbeli:

This is an attack war, which is forbidden by internatonal law. The aggression came from the US side. It wasn't even a preventive war, or can you give any proof that Iraq had / or was close to have any weapons of mass destruction which could have threaten the US.

[MKtexan]

afrographX wrote:

This is an attack war, which is forbidden by internatonal law. The aggression came from the US side. It wasn't even a preventive war, or can you give any proof that Iraq had / or was close to have any weapons of mass destruction which could have threaten the US.

Yes i can, ummm like the PAST 30 YEARS of Iraq's hisotry!! what has Sadam been doing??? Making weapons, fighting his neighbors, building palaces and killing innocent people. catch up on your history!!!

[Fox2]

This is an attack war, which is forbidden by internatonal law. The aggression came from the US side. It wasn't even a preventive war, or can you give any proof that Iraq had / or was close to have any weapons of mass destruction which could have threaten the US.

Interesting. So, let me ask you this, then; Was the NATO action in Kosovo illegal? Because, technically it was also an offensive operation, since none of the NATO participants were directly threatened. How is Iraq different?

[afrographX]

afrographX wrote:

This is an attack war, which is forbidden by internatonal law. The aggression came from the US side. It wasn't even a preventive war, or can you give any proof that Iraq had / or was close to have any weapons of mass destruction which could have threaten the US.

Yes i can, ummm like the PAST 30 YEARS of Iraq's hisotry!! what has Sadam been doing??? Making weapons, fighting his neighbors, building palaces and killing innocent people. catch up on your history!!!


ummm...just think a little bit longer and answer yourself the question from where did sadam got the techonolgical and finacnial support to fight the first gulf war against iran. US or not? I can remember Donald Rumsfeld shoking hands with Sadam Hussein in one video from that time.

[RomanS]

Question for all the Americans here.

But before I ask, I just wanna make it clear that I'm on USA's side. Not because I live in US, but because majority of my friends, including my future wife is American. I love them, and respect them a lot.

Now, despite all the politics, government bs, we cheer for our troops. NOT FOR POLITICIANS. We support our soldiers, that actually go there, and do the politician's **** ups.

In Russia we use to say " Even if we are wrong, it's our pride we're talking about"

So my question for our American brothers is

Does it hurt when some European members, Islamic ogranizations, Stupid News Networks portray your soldiers as murderers, baby killers, crusaders, invaders, trying to establish empire in a poor innocent country, fighting for oil, bombing innocent people, getting pwned by village people with Aks?

I can see that it does hurt, and annoys not just you, but me as well. Now put yourselfs in our shoes. When we hear the same things about Russian soldiers in Chechnya.

I've never heard of American or Russian soldiers hijacking planes and crashing them into non-military targets (on purpose)
I've never seen them take hostages in movie theaters, malls, hospitals.

I've never seen them blow up subways, embassies, apartments etc.

I'm sure innocent died in war. Unless Poland, Finland, or other complaining nations, even Russia and USA comes out with a new technology for bombs. So that when you type a person's name, dna, bla bla, and it only kills that specific person, untill that day ... SOLDIERS HAVE TO GO AND DO THE NASTY WORK.

PLEASE RESPECT THEM, NO MATTER WHAT COUNTRY THEY REPRESENT!

[Herrmannek]

No and Yes, you are old demagog permskii, you always want to smugle some flawed ideas behind cover of proper ones :).


I'm sure innocent died in war. Unless Poland, Finland, or other complaining nations, even Russia and USA comes out with a new technology for bombs. So that when you type a person's name, dna, bla bla, and it only kills that specific person, untill that day ... SOLDIERS HAVE TO GO AND DO THE NASTY WORK.
As for now you havy only one Pole bashing and probably drunk at the time :)

[usa320]

Again

I specifically remember seeing those EXACT SAME PHOTOS aired on a documentary in 1997 about the Iraqi Gassing of the kurds

The wounds arent sufficient to gunshots- they show the massive hemoraging and puffy skin that are accustomed to mustard agents and Chlorine-based chemical weapons.

THIS THREAD=200% bull****.

100% of that being the pictures in question, and the biased source.

100% of that being the moot arguments of the sorry bastards who believe the ****.

[MKtexan]

afrographX Wrote:


ummm...just think a little bit longer and answer yourself the question from where did sadam got the techonolgical and finacnial support to fight the first gulf war against iran. US or not? I can remember Donald Rumsfeld shoking hands with Sadam Hussein in one video from that time.

rofl So what??? does thatt still make us wrong to take him out of power now? since we helped him fight Iran does that mean we have to leave him in? No he didnt get all hist technology from the US. Hmm have you considered that France and Rusia have given Sadam MUCH more than we have? They were constant suppliers untill the Coalition got rid of Sadam.

[Damian]

Lock this thread!

[chauncy republicans]

LeMat you idiot.


No war = no killed children. If USA doesn`t attack Iraq these children will be still alive.
We call it stabilistaion and democratisation... so I want to be unstabilised and antidemocratic but alive.

If Sadam was still in power, he would be murdering people!!! We are not murdering them. You are a MORON!!!! They are free people now, not under the rule of a dictator, who had murdered tons of people!!!!
:bash: :bash: :bash:
You are the idiot. :fork:

[chauncy republicans]

afrographX wrote:

fact is: according to the international law this war is illegal
and
fact is: the US are not trying to bring democracy to iraq. the bush administration's major interest is to extend their hegemony in the arabic world and to secure the oil sources

it is very sad that the government betrays the american soldiers by saying that they are fighting for democracy


International law is a crock if we are not allowed to defend ourselves. Whatever the United States has to do to defend itself is justefied. Yes we are trying to bring a Democracy to Iraq, or we would have left after we defeted Sadams army!!! what are we doing there now?? oh yea you spewed the usual liberal line that "Its for oil." thats the oldest liberal lie in the book. Show me proof that we are stealing their oil. we are using it to rebuild thir contry unlike Sadam who used it for himslef.
Try reading "NSC 58" you moron!

[Macs.]

THATS BULL.

I specifically remember seeing those EXACT SAME PHOTOS aired on a documentary in 1997 about the Iraqi Gassing of the kurds.

BUSTED.

That is NOT true, this pics were taken after the last gulf war.

In war, innocents die....
women die...
childrens die...
babys die....

Why can't you just get over it ?!?

Even US Soldiers/Bombs/Rockets kill Innocents, so pls get over it.

[Fox2]

PermskiOMON,

To be honest, I am not very familiar with the Chechen conflict, so I stay out of it. But, I think we are fighting the same enemy.

From what I have gathered, it's definitely been a bloodbath in Chechnya, for both sides. And the worst is, the Chechen civilians (non-terrorist) are caught in the middle, between the terrorists and the Russian forces.

I have a sincere question for you; Does the Russian military operate with much restraint within these areas? What I mean is, are there things going on like, "making the local villagers pay" for terrorist attacks?

[usa320]

No Macs, what i wrote is true. Im 100% certain that.

[Denat]

WARNING!! VERY VERY VIOLENT!!
NOT FOR PEOPLE WITH WEAK HEARTH!!

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article6010.htm

Yes. George W. Bush can be very proud. All US soldiers too.

Shame on you :fork:
Our soldiers are still in A'stan and Iraq and you make some ****in pro-terrorist propaganda. Are you some kind of liberal pacifist leftist scum ?
Don't you remember how many innocent people were killed during the regime of Saddam ? Once again shame on you !

Człowieku opamiętaj się, kurwa twoja mać, to nie jest forum dla pierdolonych lewackich pacyfistów.

[Laworkerbee]

Well think of it this way

3-5,000 Iraqi children were dying in Iraq every month due to lack of medicine and proper nutrition ( where were all you peaceniks then?, where were your protests demanding the end of this genocide imposed upon the Iraqi people? ) because of the sanctions imposed on Iraq by the UN, and because of Saddams ill use of the food for oil program.

these sanction were in place since the end of the 91 Gulf war

So those of you who believe this war is bad and suggest going back to sanctions should consider what sanctions do to the people under them.

Sanctions never hurt the Kim Il Sungs or the Saddma's of the world, NO they hurt the most powerless segmants of these populations.

Sanctions should be considered war crimes as far as Im concerned

[Denat]

No war = no killed children. If USA doesn`t attack Iraq these children will be still alive.
We call it stabilistaion and democratisation... so I want to be unstabilised and antidemocratic but alive.

Just what this forum needs. Another LeftistLiberalUShatingRantingRavingEuropean. :cantbeli:

Believe me, not every European is such.

[exoninja]

Their fathers/uncles/brothers caused the death of these children.

If those Iraqis in Fallujah DO NOT attack the US troops, do you think the US troops will fire at Fallujah for nothing?

[weedman]

I love it. You condemn the war in Iraq and the actions of US servicemen, and yet your avatar is a desert-camoed US Army infantry soldier, from a videogame, nonetheless!
I'm interested in politics, history, and so in military. I also like some games, but I disagree about the war in Iraq.

Tell me what is wrong then with my avatar. :roll:

And no, I'm not Polish, but I don't unterstand why you're trying to offfend them :|

To all the guys outthere who aren't able to arguee anything and who are only insulting like little children: My condolence :(

I came here to discuss some political things, but I the majority of you is not able to, I'm really disappointed.

[Catch22]

Well Gentelmen, as a resumee of our discussion here in this thread I propose LeMat and all other participants to use imagination and think for a second about a given freedom of speech and belief. We have to accept that some people always be considering war as an ultimate evil. They believe in some other ways to solve conflicts (?). Most of us, from what experience and history learned us - doesn't share this point of view. Yet again we probably won't be able to make the pacyfists share ours. But thats the thing we actually call freedom. Since my family HAD some friends in Iraq (they studied togheter in Poland in mid 60's) I can assure that our friend LeMat (being Iraqi citizen under Saddam) wouldn't last long enough even to say his prayers when he'd say anything against war with Iran in 1980... We're all just lucky ones, so we have opportunity to call each other a "f***er" for his opinions. "And I preety fvckin please..." lets use this freedom wisely Gentelmen! :D

[Haiw]

Let's talk about flowers. They smell funky, look nice, and can always save the day when given to a woman. Hurraayh for flowers!

(Hey, as long as you don't make sense, I won't either :P)

[MKtexan]

LOL Haiw rofl rofl

[weedman]

Let's talk about flowers. They smell funky, look nice, and can always save the day when given to a woman. Hurraayh for flowers!

(Hey, as long as you don't make sense, I won't either :P)Let's talk about the biggest mistakes Coalition Forces did after the defeated the old regime :roll:

[Catch22]

Not enough flowers you mean? :roll:

[Haiw]

Let's talk about flowers. They smell funky, look nice, and can always save the day when given to a woman. Hurraayh for flowers!

(Hey, as long as you don't make sense, I won't either :P)Let's talk about the biggest mistakes Coalition Forces did after the defeated the old regime :roll:
Neglecting to send Michael Jackson there as a psyops element?\

And not enough flowers yes.

Floooower powaaaaaah
http://www.photo.net/photo/pcd4235/flower-10.4.jpg

[MKtexan]

chauncy republicans Wrote:

MKtexan wrote:
LeMat you idiot.

Quote:
No war = no killed children. If USA doesn`t attack Iraq these children will be still alive.
We call it stabilistaion and democratisation... so I want to be unstabilised and antidemocratic but alive.


If Sadam was still in power, he would be murdering people!!! We are not murdering them. You are a MORON!!!! They are free people now, not under the rule of a dictator, who had murdered tons of people!!!!


You are the idiot.

How am i the idiot chauncy republicans??? You throw out a personal attack with no backup for it!!! :slap: :slap: :slap:

[weedman]

Are you sure, that you are older than 13?

[usa320]

They need to stop taking new members. Because now everyone who had 6 accounts yesterday has 12. by tommorow some people will have 24.

Its annoying. The newbie trolls and their alter-ego's have destroyed this forum.

[Haiw]

I'm drunk right now... is that an answer to your question?

Here, a flower in the honor of this pointless thread...a flaming lilly.

http://home.earthlink.net/~jbakke/images/Flame-Lily.jpg

[Haiw]

They need to stop taking new members. Because now everyone who had 6 accounts yesterday has 12. by tommorow some people will have 24.

Its annoying. The newbie trolls and their alter-ego's have destroyed this forum.
Stopping taking new members would be a shame, it would take away any possibilities of new 'good guys' joining the club. But yeah, I argee we gotta crack down on the multi-accounting. But not everyone's a 'multi-poster'. It's just that sometimes a group of flamers tends to bunch together in one topic. Gawd... useless flaming.

[American Patriot]

Getting drunk makes me an idiot for the next 2 days.

[Fenna]

Impossible with American beer :lol:

[weedman]

I'm drunk right now... is that an answer to your question?
OK, that is something else :lol:

I swear, I am no second, nor do I have any seconds.

I also don't want to destroy your forum, so perhaps I assessed this forum wrong. When there is no place for a political discussion on a high level, I'm ready to go. :|

[seruriermarshal]

Lemat why you are posting this ****...You even don't know who killed that children...

No war = no killed children. If USA doesn`t attack Iraq these children will be still alive.
We call it stabilistaion and democratisation... so I want to be unstabilised and antidemocratic but alive.

No terrorists then No killed children . If Iraq doesn`t anti -world peace these children will be still alive .

[Bootneck]

I also don't want to destroy your forum, so perhaps I assessed this forum wrong. When there is no place for a political discussion on a high level, I'm ready to go. :|

Let me get this straight. You're idea of a high level political discussion starts out with "Brave US Army killed many terrorists" and a link to a leftist web site?

Yet another loser from the Member Since '04 club. Piss off troll.

[Haiw]

I'm drunk right now... is that an answer to your question?
OK, that is something else :lol:

I swear, I am no second, nor do I have any seconds.

I also don't want to destroy your forum, so perhaps I assessed this forum wrong. When there is no place for a political discussion on a high level, I'm ready to go. :|
Well it wasn't really meant to you personally, but it's just that these kind of 'US IS EEEEVIL!!!!111' flame wars are getting rather tiring... I was against the war as well, but these flames are pretty pointless. Especially when you start with a whole discussion on a thread which basically says 'US killed many children!!!!!'. So therefor my rather sarcastic reaction... Talking crap about flowers makes more sense, and doesn't annoy as much.

So hereby...

http://www.brandonblog.com/blog5.jpg
Hey look, it's kiddos throwing frikken flowers!!

[NeedsABetterName]

You know,people like you oughta be shot.

[American Patriot]

Perhaps it's because I don't drink enough water.

[usa320]

NeedsABetterName

ANother member of the 04 club?

I defeinately think that they need to stop taking applicants for a week.

Then cross check everyones IP.

It would be a blessing for this forum.

[NeedsABetterName]

Well,though I have a new computer,I am still the only user name under this IP,and also I am under another IP,which is my old computer.

**EDIT**That didn't come out right,let me rephrase that:
This user name is under two IP adresses,one of which is my old computer,and the other which is the one I'm using now.Heck,I'd tell you the IP for both,but,well,I'm not that stupid...

And,should it matter if a member is old or new?What makes you so special?

[One?]

LeMat you idiot.


No war = no killed children. If USA doesn`t attack Iraq these children will be still alive.
We call it stabilistaion and democratisation... so I want to be unstabilised and antidemocratic but alive.

If Sadam was still in power, he would be murdering people!!! We are not murdering them. You are a MORON!!!! They are free people now, not under the rule of a dictator, who had murdered tons of people!!!!
:bash: :bash: :bash:

Please put some sense in your post next time. Saying killing these kids is ok because the US forces freed them from saddam is just....bull****.

[Ratamacue]

Please put some sense in your post next time. Saying killing these kids is ok because the US forces freed them from saddam is just....bull****.

No one's saying it's OK, but rather that saying that everything in Iraq would be all nice and beautiful if the war hadn't gone on is bull**** as well. Peaceful, sure, but in case you haven't realized One, Saddam and his sons weren't really just nice people who were misunderstood.

[Yard Ape]

Lemat why you are posting this ****...You even don't know who killed that children...

No war = no killed children. If USA doesn`t attack Iraq these children will be still alive.
We call it stabilistaion and democratisation... so I want to be unstabilised and antidemocratic but alive.Those children were killed through the accidents of war. It is horrible, and you are a shallow individual to use their deaths for political ends.

The state sanctioned murders of Saddam's rule have been brought to an end. Had he continued in power then the faces would be different only their deaths would not have been accidents.

[Haiw]

I though t we were talking about flowers? Quit hijacking my hijack damnit! :P

[Korth]

5 terrorist less

say this in front of me and ill cut youre throat

I been wanting to cut your throat for awhile now.

[Korth]

I must say that for irakis, shooting at US forces has to be compared to europeans shooting at germans during WW2. Yes i know historical issues don't give nothing more but attacking "resistants" when you are "invaders"....who is on the good side ?

The US and their allies are the good guys in Iraq. Saddam Hussien was a brutal despot and much of the "resistance" is coming from Baath party thugs and religious fanatics.

[Haiw]

Flowers! Floweeeers!!!! Think of pretty flowers!

http://www.adcsoft.com/userspictures/flowers.redlilies.jpg

[Fintin]

so this one time i was going down to West Virginia on a trip to rehab some houses...showed up at the church to drive down...rumble in the tummy...ran to the building to take a dump...doors locked...ran back jump in a van and yell at everyone else to go....we pull into a burger king....not open yet...whats across teh street..a twenty four hour restront...pull in to parking lot...all they way in the back for some ungodly reason....running to doors i feel the squirt....stop....walk to front door...find bathroom...take off soiled boxers wipe and leave

[memphiz]

Flowers! Floweeeers!!!! Think of pretty flowers!

http://www.adcsoft.com/userspictures/flowers.redlilies.jpg
nice Haiw.
@ guy who originally posted this thread: you got problems dont post crap like this

[Haiw]

But were there any flowers? ;)

[Yard Ape]

But were there any flowers? ;)I hear US soldiers step on flowers. http://army.ca/ubb/biggrin.gif

[seruriermarshal]

WARNING!! VERY VERY VIOLENT!!
NOT FOR PEOPLE WITH WEAK HEARTH!!

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article6010.htm

Yes. George W. Bush can be very proud. All US soldiers too.

BTW

Who tell you U.S. army kill them ? terrorists tell you ? I believe terrorists kill them .

[CottonTail]

WARNING!! VERY VERY VIOLENT!!
NOT FOR PEOPLE WITH WEAK HEARTH!!

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article6010.htm

Yes. George W. Bush can be very proud. All US soldiers too.collateral damages, happens in all conflicts. get used to it, and learn your lesson, DONT EVER MESS WITH US!

[Haiw]

Just for you...one of those crazy flower thingies you always see at those Chinese restaurant calenders...

http://www.adcsoft.com/userspictures/flowers.redlilies.jpg
:P

[RomanS]

I just had a NICE GYRO
and it was good

http://www.saintbarbara.org/images/news/odyssey/food/meals/GyroLarge.jpg

5 terrorist less

say this in front of me and ill cut youre throat

I been wanting to cut your throat for awhile now.

:fork:

[Haiw]

I just had a NICE GYRO
and it was good

http://www.saintbarbara.org/images/news/odyssey/food/meals/GyroLarge.jpg
Throw off everything except the meat and I'm game!



Yup I'm lame... :P

[CottonTail]

that looks like SPAM!

[RomanS]

actually its lamb

but mine looked 60 times tastier. This is off google lol

[RomanS]

Haiw what did you drink today?

[Haiw]

http://www.mindspring.com/~zipf-williams/beer/images/paulaner.hwnat.jpg
http://www.student.oulu.fi/~pkoski/kalja/paulaner.jpg

It comes in 0.5l bottles. :D

Oh and lamb is good... :)

[RomanS]

go have *** man

what time is it there?

[Haiw]

0447... can't sleep. Can sleep to 1100 in the morning so I don't really have any motivation to go to bed either.

[foxtrot023]

WARNING!! VERY VERY VIOLENT!!
NOT FOR PEOPLE WITH WEAK HEARTH!!

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article6010.htm

Yes. George W. Bush can be very proud. All US soldiers too.
http://www.ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/gay16.jpg

[ibstolidude]

I just had a NICE GYRO
and it was good

http://www.saintbarbara.org/images/news/odyssey/food/meals/GyroLarge.jpg
so Jou like'a d'a sauce? No?

[Fintin]

i had a gyro the other day....best one i have ever had....lots of greeks in the detroit area....but this place had the best ever....i dont know what it was but it was well amazing....the pita was really fresh...like just made....maybe that was it....leamon rice soup wasnt too good but still good...ok.....DA BEARS

[Romulus]

so Jou like'a d'a sauce? No?

rofl
One of the best SNL skits!

[Red]

Hood if you read this,i want to apply openly for the job of moderator,i promise you that i will get this site back to normal.Please just give me the job,i will send you a resume if you want.I am tired of the mindless dribble that gets posted on this site.It os killing the reps of this site.And guys please i implore you all,when the likes of Lematt and his posse start posting this threads Please ignore their posts and move on.

[Fintin]

so i sayz to myself...self...you should go eat dinner....

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

Hood if you read this,i want to apply openly for the job of moderator,i promise you that i will get this site back to normal.Please just give me the job,i will send you a resume if you want.I am tired of the mindless dribble that gets posted on this site.It os killing the reps of this site.And guys please i implore you all,when the likes of Lematt and his posse start posting this threads Please ignore their posts and move on.

I have no objection to that, we could probably use another mod or 2 or 3....

[Fintin]

a few more mods that are always around wouldnt be bad....

[obd]

Jesus Christ. Posting pictures of small children with thier heads blown off is bordering on the ****ographic in my opinion. I think its wring to post naked pictured of children on the internet and I think its also wring to post pictures of thier insides torn out... This thread should be locked and deleted.... I'm all for presenting the horrors of war lest we grow to fond of it but I think there should be a limit on things.....Also, these children were not necesarrily killed by US troops as Al Jazeera claims. To post the topic like that points out that the creator of this post is simply regurgitating anti-American propaganda he has picked up off the Al Jazeera terrorist network....

So not only is it ****ographic, its blatently one sided and unfair and presents its version of the "truth" without even an attempt to back it up........

[Fintin]

damn right give this man a gyro

[gilgoul]

WARNING!! VERY VERY VIOLENT!!
NOT FOR PEOPLE WITH WEAK HEARTH!!

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article6010.htm

Yes. George W. Bush can be very proud. All US soldiers too.


You know, you can do watever you want with your crappy sources, poor ass, show me young meat, old meat, average meat, complete or in smitherins, it doesn`t freakin mean anything, because those kids are what you call collateral damage, they are not the target.
I feel sory for those kids, it doesn`t change my opinion on the situation there, i`m confident in the discipline and the proffesionalism of military personels of the coalition to try not to arm innocent bystanders, still knowing that those kind of victims are unavoidable sometimes.
:slap:

[kommando]

frens what a gay thing to say man
5 less terrorists!!
what becuase they are not of "white blood" they are terrorists??
omg dude stfu n00b.

and u cant always hit the bad guys with every shot unfortunately in war there are civilian casualities and children just make it sadder, but it sick people like whoever started this thread that glroify it that should BURN IN HELL HAHAHA said it :bash:

[ShotOver]

There is no point to make, just drop it mate.

Just had the biggest feed, for dinner... Steak, baked potato and garden Salad! yummy yummy yummy :P

[Haiw]

Jesus Christ. Posting pictures of small children with thier heads blown off is bordering on the ****ographic in my opinion. I think its wring to post naked pictured of children on the internet and I think its also wring to post pictures of thier insides torn out... This thread should be locked and deleted.... I'm all for presenting the horrors of war lest we grow to fond of it but I think there should be a limit on things.....Also, these children were not necesarrily killed by US troops as Al Jazeera claims. To post the topic like that points out that the creator of this post is simply regurgitating anti-American propaganda he has picked up off the Al Jazeera terrorist network....

So not only is it ****ographic, its blatently one sided and unfair and presents its version of the "truth" without even an attempt to back it up........
I agree it ain't right, but ****ographic? I don't know about you but these pictures don't exactely give me a stiff paw.


a few more mods that are always around wouldnt be bad....
Yeah, the problem is that the current mods actually have a personal life... :(


But hey we're getting off-topic again, we were talking about FLOWERS!
http://www.bikepro.com/origins-credits/flowers.jpg
;)

[Adri]

AH ! nice flowers !! which type is it ?

[Haiw]

How the hell should I know, I just google for 'flowers'. :D

[tony6]

Nymphaea lotus:
http://wiem.onet.pl/wiem/bmp/63354-4742.jpg
:D

[BlackRain]

Yes, photos of dead children are tragic. It does not matter what country they are from, it is shameful.

However, you simply are being dupe for Al ****a if you believe that the US military was soley responsible for their deaths.

You have a serious problem with logic and intelligence. Let me help you.

A) You posted photos of dead children sourced from a rapidly anti-USA website.

B) You neglected to provide any proof on the manner and witness accounts of their deaths.

C) How do you know that those deaths were not caused by the Iraqi insurgents. Crossfire kills, accidents, etc.

D) The Iraqi insurgents are fond of surrounding fighting positions with women and children as shields. Why did you not mention this.

Answer: You are a toad. You hate the USA and do not provide any real hard evidence besides inflammatory, out-of-context photos. Result - you have no credibility. Crawl back under rock you came from.

Oh, and have a super nice day!

[Liquid]

D) The Iraqi insurgents are fond of surrounding fighting positions with women and children as shields. Why did you not mention this.

Answer: You are a toad. You hate the USA and do not provide any real hard evidence besides inflammatory, out-of-context photos. Result - you have no credibility. Crawl back under rock you came from.

Oh, and have a super nice day!

D)Proof that to me.Who says so?I find that as credible as what Al-Jazeera broadcasts.

Kimmitt is the one who claimed this.And not only once he was cought lieing in his Baghdad briefings.Like the time when he claimed that Iraqi Civillian Defence Forces are helping a great deal in the siege of Fallujah.Remember that?Well 3 days later we found out that they refused to even participate,"sparking" concerns about the relliability of the Iraqi security forces.

They idmited using cluster bombs(which is a banned weapon in war) and AC-130 gunships.You think the daisy cutters and cluser bombs find their targets with deadly accurecy?Get real,those pictures as real as it gets to show what war is capable.
AFP reports 301 women and children killed until now in the siege of Fallujah that`s about half of the deaths..

Of course US army didn`t target this children on purpose but you can bet your life on that in a siege of a city of 250.000 inhabatants when you are using artillary(which has prooven many times it`s inaccuracy) and 5.000 lbs bombs such casualties will undoubtfully happen.

[qoute]Saddam killed millions during his..[/quote]

Saddam gassed the Kurds

Standard ignorance,won`t blame you for it since you are Americans but I think it`s time to shed some light about this.

Let`s not forget the Rumsfeld shaking hand scene with Saddam.He was your friend for a decade.You knew very well how much of a repulsive megalomaniac he was but still decided to arm him to the theets.All the chemical weapons Saddam had were provided by USA.

People also tend to forget the Shia rebellion after Gulf War1 and US promises to help them.Did it ever came?No,your gouverment closed it`s eyes and let Saddam`s army sloughter thousands of Iraqis

Before starting the blame game you shouldn`t have to watch very far from your own garden to find out what led to this situtation

BTW the most accurate estimates points out no more then 300.000 Iraqis died because of Saddam`s purges.Most of the mass graves come from the costly Iran-Iraq war so before you start planting numbers out of your imagination please check your sources

Kind regards

[Marsuitor]

AFP reports 301 women and children killed until now in the siege of Fallujah that`s about half of the deaths..


D)Proof that to me.Who says so?I find that as credible as what Al-Jazeera broadcasts.

:roll: Source please... They're usually demanded off people around here, you're no exception. I could probably dig up some more statements for you to back up reliably, but i'll wait a bit...

EDIT,
Sorry for going offtopic.... oh yes, shrubs and stuff....
Here's a nice one, the worlds most evil plant:
http://www.airlieeducation.org/carnivorous_plant_garden/venus_flytrap_250.jpg
http://www.iamtonyang.com/0204/venus_flytrap_captured.jpg

[SerbPVO]

Al Jazeera: Cowardly American terrorists killed many Iraqi civillians, mostly woman & children.

[weedman]

Al Jazeera: Cowardly American terrorists killed many Iraqi civillians, mostly woman & children.Then let's start watching Al-Hurra. :roll:

[Falco]

LeMat stoped posting 7 pages ago but we're still arguing.

[Truthsayer]

If everyone just stayed away from the topic and PMed a MOD, this topic wouldn't be the first thing I had to see when entering this forum-section...

[Maine Finn]

If everyone just stayed away from the topic and PMed a MOD, this topic wouldn't be the first thing I had to see when entering this forum-section...

So do something about it.

[Herrmannek]

LeMat stoped posting 7 pages ago but we're still arguing.

perpetumobile :)

[MaDuce]

Al Jazeera: Cowardly American terrorists killed many Iraqi civillians, mostly woman & children.
STFU don't you have some Albainian babies to rape in kill.

[HELEX]

Why is this topic still open?

[weedman]

Because someone is asking dumb questions and is bumping it :lol:

[Fintin]

screw flowers....i want food...i dont have a personal life...but i dont know if they would let me mod....i hate reading through posts.....probly because i dont like the bs flames for the most part....

[BloodyWolf73]

I really dont know what to say....

[Uninen]

Just that you all know...

Many more civilians than Iraqi "soldiers" or "freedom fighters" have died to this date due the actions of "coalition of willing"

IE more than circa 50 000 Iraqis killed after the Operation Iraqi freedom started, of these less than 10 000 have been combatants.....

And of many combatants killed they have been ineffect executed, IE shot from close range after they have been incapacitated. (badly wounded)

[Even your great embetted? (typing?) reporters have reported and filmed this thing happening........]

This is not what the Genova "convention" says, nor it is even par with any military regulations........

They are there killing people that should have been taken as POW and given medical help, and most of all to this date, they have killed innocent and unarmed civilians........

Dangerous little girls and women just like the initial photos show..

And of fighting still going on Fallujah, a WEEK AGO THE DEATH TOLL WAS 600, of which great majority was noncombatants, simply put it civilians...

[weedman]

I agree, but don't waste your time :roll:

[Uninen]

And what comes to the claimed 300 000 killed by "Saddam"..

I think that the truth twisters at Pentagon have in cluded Iraqis troops that died in Iran - Iraq war to this number and also Rebel kurds and Shiias that died in Kurdish rebelions (whish were many..) and in 1991 Shiite rebelion....

Also you see this vid of Saddams solider kicking first this "poor man" and after that tieng him in a poles with his buddies and shoting them..

Always in connection with claims that Saddam was brutal and killed innocents..

Well now.. those "innocents" in that vid being shot were shiite rebels of 1991 upraising, exevuted after their capoture by Rebuplican Guard.. think that those people THREW AWAY THEIR HUMAN RIGHTS JUST AFTER THEY PICKED UP TRHEIR WEAPONS AND STARTED KILLING THE MEMBERS OF LEGAL GOV. OF IRAQ SERVICES...........

My 2 Cents on this POS.

[hank]

And what comes to the claimed 300 000 killed by "Saddam"..

I think that the truth twisters at Pentagon have in cluded Iraqis troops that died in Iran - Iraq war to this number and also Rebel kurds and Shiias that died in Kurdish rebelions (whish were many..) and in 1991 Shiite rebelion....

Also you see this vid of Saddams solider kicking first this "poor man" and after that tieng him in a poles with his buddies and shoting them..

Always in connection with claims that Saddam was brutal and killed innocents..

Well now.. those "innocents" in that vid being shot were shiite rebels of 1991 upraising, exevuted after their capoture by Rebuplican Guard.. think that those people THREW AWAY THEIR HUMAN RIGHTS JUST AFTER THEY PICKED UP TRHEIR WEAPONS AND STARTED KILLING THE MEMBERS OF LEGAL GOV. OF IRAQ SERVICES...........

My 2 Cents on this POS.

I think you left out 1 of those cents moron.

hank

[Marsuitor]

Changed your avatar now eh, weedman? What addon is that btw? p-)

[weedman]

Changed your avatar now eh, weedman? What addon is that btw? p-)Yeah, some people here forced me to :|

Operation Flashpoint + UCE Middle East Soldiers :)

[Uninen]

I think you left out 1 of those cents moron.

hank

Oh thanks.. wow.. that was intelligent.........

What ive said in these two posts is correct 100%.........

Anyhow, how does it feel to live in the Evil Empire Hank?

Tell us how you feel........

Btw,

Judging from your responce, it seems that your in denial.... from now on first get the clue, the post a reply.

As i havent got time for ignorant ones like you.

:petting:

[Ngati Tumatauenga]

What ive said in these two posts is correct 100%........

Oh really ?,


And of many combatants killed they have been ineffect executed, IE shot from close range after they have been incapacitated. (badly wounded

Well prove it then. What sources did you use to gain that info?.


[Even your great embetted? (typing?) reporters have reported and filmed this thing happening........]


What, that fraction of TV footage posted here that was taken out of context?. You'll have to better than that. I WANT PROOF


THREW AWAY THEIR HUMAN RIGHTS JUST AFTER THEY PICKED UP TRHEIR WEAPONS AND STARTED KILLING THE MEMBERS OF LEGAL GOV. OF IRAQ SERVICES..........

Interesting piece of 'truth twisting' there, calling Saddams 'government' legal. And what then of Iraqi insurgents killing Iraqi police and goverment officials?. By your reasoning they have 'thrown away their human rights' (sooooo melodramatic) and therefore deserve what ever happens to them. According to your logic anyway.

Your right. Your posts are a POS.

[Uninen]

Oh really ?,

Really.


Well prove it then. What sources did you use to gain that info?.

IE News, documentaries.. that show the evenst unfolding. (and some other sources, which are better left unmentioned..). IE: Iraqi soldier in uniform is in a van, van gets shot up and cathes fire, as do the soldiers clothes... "Embetted" (typing?) reporter and US troops are about 20m away, as the Iraqi soldier is rolling in the ground unarmed out of the vehicle and far away from all the (possible) weapons in the vehicle, then one trooper shoots the man.

Here is a vid (Graphic!!!) of Americans killing a unarmed and wounded person. (another one that they SHOULD HAV E HELPED..)

Link! (save as) (http://personal.inet.fi/koti/uninen/uploads/Sekalaisii/iraqiwar.avi)

I doubt that this mofo went to court martial over this.. (he should have..)




What, that fraction of TV footage posted here that was taken out of context?. You'll have to better than that. I WANT PROOF

See above.


Interesting piece of 'truth twisting' there, calling Saddams 'government' legal. And what then of Iraqi insurgents killing Iraqi police and goverment officials?. By your reasoning they have 'thrown away their human rights' (sooooo melodramatic) and therefore deserve what ever happens to them. According to your logic anyway.

Your saying that they didnt? They didt they are de facto terrorists, much more so than anybody in Guantamo Bay....


Your right. Your posts are a POS.

Truth hurts doesnt it?

Be happy that your not Iraqi person, cause the truth of these matters is daily killing them, with American weapons. :|

[American Patriot]

Haha Uninen, are you really funny!

I would pay you to get on stage and see you spout of like a retard.

[Uninen]

American Patriot,

Your view of whats funny is quite sick.. i mean your saying? that killing civilians and other helpless people IE enemy woundeds / POW:s is funny?

:bash:

[Aussie E]

How can someone throw away their human rights? Here in the "evil empire" even when some-one takes up arms against the legal govt. (McVeiy, Nichols, Kaskinki, general criminals etc), the government still repsects there human rights (nice orange jump-suit, bulletproof vest a roof and three squares) and gives them a trial before putting them to the torch. I don't think you can throw away something that the government (the Iraqi gov that is) doesn't respect or believe in.

[American Patriot]

Where did you get the 50,000 civilian figure?

Why are you saying it's wrong to shoot the enemy? That is how you fight a war.

[Uninen]

Aussie E,

Have you seen what did the "rebels" to to the POW:s and deads of Gov. forces in Iraq in 1991?

Pretty much the same, if not worse than what happened to those few "civilian contractors" in Fallujah a while ago.....

Ive even seen in BBC docu of the 1st Gulf war footage of Kurds attacking Police (militia?) station, and afterwards the animals are jumping on the bodies of the police officers and doing all kinds of terrible things.

Saddams men on the other hand just shot the captive, with no "funny" things done to the corpses.

(Bottomline: They turned against their own population and gov. as American agents, Bush senior suggested the "people of Iraq" that they should fight against their own.. and you do know what they say about traitors..............)

And what comes to the Oklahoma bomber (McVeiy) and "American Taleban" (John Walker Lindh) last ive heard of them, their gonna getthe lethal injection.. HOW IS THAT ANY BETTER THAN SEVERAL BULLETS?

I tell you my friend, its never just or right if somebody kills a another person.... let alone CAPTURED PERSONS / INMATES.

[American Patriot]

Ever heard of capital punishment?

[Uninen]

Where did you get the 50,000 civilian figure?

Not 50 000 civilians, but 50 000 all in all. of which +/- 10 000 is "fighters" or "soldiers".

And dont give me any BS about Iraqibodycount.net (or whatever) even theirs estimate is overtly conservative. IE their highest possible estimate is way too low.....


Why are you saying it's wrong to shoot the enemy? That is how you fight a war.

There are rules to the conduct of warfare. Which include:

1. do not cause unnessacery damage or deaths, IE do not kill the enemy that running away after contact.
2. Do not shoot at / kill unarmed persons / POW:s.
3. Do not kill enemy that hasnt got weapon or whose injured.
4. You must give medical help to injured enemies, IE do not put a slug to their heads, but bandage them etc...........

And if this isnt clear to you i could dig up my field manuals and give you 2h lecture about the rules of war, i have the complete set........


Ever heard of capital punishment?

Yeah? I know what that is, but basicly i think its BS. And unjust, but if YOU IN USA THINK THAT IT IS RIGHT AS YOU DO, so is it right for Saddam to enforce that option for Agents of CIA (Iraqis that worked for CIA..), For Shiite and Kurd rebels, and for plain and simple domestic terrorists.

[Ngati Tumatauenga]

Uninen wrote,

And of many combatants killed they have been ineffect executed, IE shot from close range after they have been incapacitated. (badly wounded

I ask for proof and you give me one example. The one that I already mentioned. :cantbeli:


IE News, documentaries.. that show the evenst unfolding. (and some other sources, which are better left unmentioned..).

What a cop out. What news?, what documentaries?. Names, dates, companys that produced them. On what channels did they screen?, in what news papers, magazines, periodicals were they published?. Who were the journalists?. Don't give me that better left unmentioned ****, back your claims up with proof and/or evidence and no your word isn't good enough.



Your saying that they didnt? They didt they are de facto terrorists, much more so than anybody in Guantamo Bay....

You said,

Well now.. those "innocents" in that vid being shot were shiite rebels of 1991 upraising, exevuted after their capoture by Rebuplican Guard.. think that those people THREW AWAY THEIR HUMAN RIGHTS JUST AFTER THEY PICKED UP TRHEIR WEAPONS AND STARTED KILLING THE MEMBERS OF LEGAL GOV. OF IRAQ SERVICES...........


I said,

Interesting piece of 'truth twisting' there, calling Saddams 'government' legal. And what then of Iraqi insurgents killing Iraqi police and goverment officials?. By your reasoning they have 'thrown away their human rights' (sooooo melodramatic) and therefore deserve what ever happens to them. According to your logic anyway.

Do you get it now?.


Truth hurts doesnt it?

WHAT TRUTH?. You have yet to provide any proof/sources/evidence and yet you have us believe your ranting and raving was the truth?.

The 'truth' is you're a sad little individual who is nothing more than an attention whore.

[Aussie E]

Uninen, your a little behind the times, McViey was put to death awhile back, and Lindh copt a plea bargain, he's going to spend a long time in jail, but not be put to death. All I'm trying to say is that most of the time ( I Know that the US and other 'western" governments (France in Algeria) have been known to disregard human rights) generally try to maintain human rights of people/prisoners/criminals. Where other countries ie. Saddam's Iraq, Kim's N.Korea and Pot's Cambodia, have and had no regard for their citizens human rights. MASS EXECUTIONS = HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS.

[Fintin]

stupid tennis playesr....what happend to the flowers and food....one more person strays off topic and im going to spike a ping pong ball to your skull....now shut up

[Ratamacue]

1. do not cause unnessacery damage or deaths, IE do not kill the enemy that running away after contact.

There is no "rule" against shooting an armed, retreating enemy.

[Aussie E]

Fintin, you see the final in the ping-pong world champoinship? I think there were some ping-pong ball rights violations in that one.

[Fintin]

its the bloody tennis players....im telling you....they are out to distroy us....i think they are getting help from the vollyball underworld....

[Uninen]

Ngati Tumatuenga,

Just take your nose off from the CNN, and you shall learn, i mean THE AMERICAN NETWORKS ARE THE ONLY PLACE BY TODAY THAT ACTUALLY STILL CALL THE "CIVILIAN CONTRACTORS" as "CIVILIAN CONTRACTORS", rest all around the world are calling them as they really are as MERCENARIES.

Talk about twisted lens that supplying you all with the "information" back in the states.

Just imagine this: 4 US Mercenaries killed and their bodies mutilated in Fallujah, now from how many people in even USA would those KIA:s get pitty from.... but when we add word civilian and remove the mercenary and replace it with "contractor" the "****" looks helluva lot better.

And of course the population of USA will go mad about the killings, just funny how you dont even stop for a second to think that WHAT THE HELL WOULD US CIVILIANS DO IN IRAQ, i mean most coplete retard would soon realize that they werent in there for sight seeing and the sun......

Nevermind the fact that AMerican networks RARELY IF NOT EVER MENTION ABOUT CIVILIANS KILLED BY THE US TROOPS, so the people back in the USA seeing these pic later on from Al-Jazeera or some European network usually (must?) think? that Al-Jazeera killed the civilians for the propaganda value, in fact they might even think that the dead people commited sucides to get symphaty to their fellow countrymen and so becomming martys and getting to the paradise..

Lets face it, if the news source isnt American, and tells about something bad that US troops have done, it labeled as "terrorists", by your newtworks, by your gov. and because the propaganda of first two by your population that is ignorant to real facts.

Its ok to kill Al-Jazeera people, isnt it?

As they are terrorists, but really as they also show the other side of the coin.

[Fintin]

if i had my saw with me.....this is a thread bout gyros and flowers.....nothing else.....now if you want to talk about them please do.....but get on the subject....

[memphiz]

Fintin, you see the final in the ping-pong world champoinship? I think there were some ping-pong ball rights violations in that one.
i watched that, man it was intense :lol:

[Ratamacue]

Fvck off Uninen. If you can't tell the difference between a mercenary and a PMC, you shouldn't be posting about them.

[HELEX]

Fvck off Uninen. If you can't tell the difference between a mercenary and a PMC, you shouldn't be posting about them.

So can you explain the difference to me? :lol:

[Fintin]

Fintin, you see the final in the ping-pong world champoinship? I think there were some ping-pong ball rights violations in that one.

i nearly tossed my gyro into my potted plant it was so hard core....good thing we had those spiking contractors playing....so much better then the mercs....


ps(mercs go to the highest bidder, and are freelance soldiers who only fight wars.....CCs work for companys and do not fight wars, they protect stuff...or people....which is still stuff)

[Ratamacue]

Fvck off Uninen. If you can't tell the difference between a mercenary and a PMC, you shouldn't be posting about them.

So can you explain the difference to me? :lol:

Mercenaries are hired by a foreign military, usually for material or financial gain. PMC's pretty much still work for their government and aren't used as combat troops so much as for security and reconstruction. Just because they're not technical members of the US military anymore doesn't mean that they're just hired guns.

[Fintin]

word now lets go play ping pong with our new robot arms....

[Haiw]

Fvck off Uninen. If you can't tell the difference between a mercenary and a PMC, you shouldn't be posting about them.

So can you explain the difference to me? :lol:
Look in general discussion...

Uninen; I didn't really have an opinion about you in the past, but after reading the last couple of pages... man are you retarded. I was against the war as well, but some of the stuff your fingers produce is just utter bullcrap.

And could we now please stop hijacking and go back to flowers?

http://www.imagesaustralia.com/poppies.jpg

[Aussie E]

Fintin, do you prefer gyros (greek) or dona-kababs (lebenese). My vote goes to the dona-kabab. Start a poll!

[Denat]

There are rules to the conduct of warfare. Which include:

1. do not cause unnessacery damage or deaths, IE do not kill the enemy that running away after contact.
yes, let them to regroup and attack you once again....
When you are winning the battle you should still go forward untill the enemy is annihilated - so as Napoleon did. There will be no outcome of the succes if you don't attack the enemy when he is in retreat.

4. You must give medical help to injured enemies, IE do not put a slug to their heads, but bandage them etc...........
wounded and armed enemy is still dangerous and as such should be eliminated. There should be no mercy for the enemies.

And if this isnt clear to you i could dig up my field manuals and give you 2h lecture about the rules of war, i have the complete set........
There is only one rule of war - THE STRONGER ONE SURVIVES. You like it or not, but the wars were won be the power not by the rules. Such liberal **** as the rules of war doesn't help you in that. And one more thing - THE WINNER HAS ALWAYS RIGHT. THE WINNERS ARE NOT TO BE JUDGED.

[Marsuitor]

Are gyros Greek? Didn't know that. We have a kurd pizza-parlor down the road and they serve gyros and mighty good pizzas!

As for doner, oh my they're tasty...

[Fintin]

Fintin, do you prefer gyros (greek) or dona-kababs (lebenese). My vote goes to the dona-kabab. Start a poll!

gyros...if im at a greek place....if im at a lebenese place...which there is a great one not far away...i get shish kafta...i think thats how its spelled....great for getting pumped up for a ping pong match or 12

[Denat]

Fintin, do you prefer gyros (greek) or dona-kababs (lebenese). My vote goes to the dona-kabab. Start a poll!

gyros...if im at a greek place....if im at a lebenese place...which there is a great one not far away...i get shish kafta...i think thats how its spelled....great for getting pumped up for a ping pong match or 12

Maybe you should create some kind of separate gyros forum ;)

[Ngati Tumatauenga]

Just take your nose off from the CNN, and you shall learn

Oh, so your saying that link you gave to prove you're point a couple of posts back is all **** now?. Because thats the only CNN i've watched lately. Way to go pal, using your own argument against yourself :cantbeli: .


Talk about twisted lens that supplying you all with the "information" back in the states.

See above.


Nevermind the fact that AMerican networks RARELY IF NOT EVER MENTION ABOUT CIVILIANS KILLED BY THE US TROOPS

See above.

Anyway now that your credibility is all but shot.

I'm still waiting for your PROOF, here let me refresh your selective memory,

IE News, documentaries.. that show the evenst unfolding. (and some other sources, which are better left unmentioned..).

Thats what you said and I asked,


What a cop out. What news?, what documentaries?. Names, dates, companys that produced them. On what channels did they screen?, in what news papers, magazines, periodicals were they published?. Who were the journalists?. Don't give me that better left unmentioned ****, back your claims up with proof and/or evidence and no your word isn't good enough.

Well, while I'm waiting I'll reiterate,

WHAT TRUTH?. You have yet to provide any proof/sources/evidence and yet you have us believe your ranting and raving was the truth?.


Remember this little gem?,

Uninen, your in the same class as fantassin, mustamato, etc. Your arguments are driven by emotion and you are blind to any facts put before you.
But worst of all when asked a direct question, usually for evidence, you either go off on a tangent or ignore it completely.
Debating with you is as fruitless as argueing with a four year old child.

Says it all really........

[Haiw]

Dönner kebab = goooood.

[ibstolidude]

Fvck off Uninen. If you can't tell the difference between a mercenary and a PMC, you shouldn't be posting about them.

So can you explain the difference to me? :lol:

there are several specifics of the vast majority of PMC that keep them from being catagorized as mercenaries to international law and the UN.

1) Of the vast majority of PMC's does not "in fact, take a direct part in the hostilities". guarding bases outside of the combat zone (ie in staging bases in neighboring countries), logistics, technical operations, commo - etc are not "taking direct part in the hostilities".

2) "is motivated to take part in the hostilities essentially by the desire for private gain and, in fact, is promised, by or on behalf of a Party to the conflict, material compensation substantially in excess of that promised or paid to combatants of similar ranks and functions in the armed forces of that Party" depends on the company, person, servcice area and rank - also compensation for housing, medical, insurance (depends) are considered flat rates in a contract.

lets get to the heart of it:

3) i"s neither a national of a Party to the conflict nor a resident of territory controlled by a Party to the conflict.” - weel US contractors certainly ARE a "national of a Party to the conflict" atleast in Iraq. They are PMCs (Private Military COntractors) the term does not mean contracted military men - it means men contracted BY the MILITARY. the US military, DOD and the government of the US, their nationality.

4) most PMCs are acting on US GOVERNMENT contracts therefore are acting by the State is a Party to the conflict on official duty.

- Certainly there are those out there that do not qualify, however they are the vast minority - but just as you are quick to comment on Forum Posters use of the terrorist label to justicify their opinion, you are quick to use the mercanary one to justify yours.

[Uninen]

Cutting right in the cheese, and passing the BS:

A mercenary is a soldier who fights for money, regardless of ideological, national or political considerations.

:petting:

I never said that if your electrician and hired to repair the Iraqs power grid that your a merc, but if your running around in a occupied nation with weapons, involved in security or offensive ops with special forces (Task Force 20..) your certainly a merc...

There was in fact not too long ago this article that told about one such "PMC" that used somekind of special bullets to off Iraqis, and boasted about how effective they were against human targets, and even more he said that its sad that the military cant use em, as the military have to obey the rules of war which again say that you cant use hollowpoint or other bullets that make "more than nessacery" damage, but as i said this dude was running around Iraq, killing people with BLENDED METAL BULLETS, things that military cant have as they are controlled by laws........

"PMC:s" however it seems dont even give a flying you know what about the rules of war..................

Link! (http://www.armedforcesjournal.com/bullets/)


A better bullet
Blended-metal ammo rates realistic testing

During a mid-September firefight north of Baghdad, Ben Thomas recorded the first known kill of an adversary with a relatively new type of ammunition. The former Navy SEAL, now a security consultant with a private corporation contracted by the U.S. government, was traveling with three colleagues when they were ambushed by an estimated eight to 12 ?bad guys.?

:roll:

Now if people like that aint MERC:s, Osama Bin Laden must not be terrorist...........................

[Ngati Tumatauenga]

I'm still waiting uninen. Whats the matter can't find any proof to back yourself?.[/quote]

[Ratamacue]

I'm sorry Uninen, but you're a f*cking retard.

[mustamato]

A mercenary is a soldier who fights for money, regardless of ideological, national or political considerations.

:petting:

Yes. Back in the days, say in 17th century, large parts of many armies consisted
of mercenaries, in example the Scots fought both with and against the kingdom
of Sweden as an example, also the Swiss were often used as mercenaries.
The difference between "PMC´s" and these mercenaries of the past? Well...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/2403517.stm
Interesting article about dogs of war

[Ratamacue]

A mercenary is a soldier who fights for money, regardless of ideological, national or political considerations.

:petting:

Yes.

Most of the PMC's aren't fighting for money. Many joined because of extra pay compared to the US, sure, but that's because they need to support their families and oftentimes military pay simply isn't enough.

And by the way, mercenaries fight for other countries. Sorry mate.

[Aussie E]

Most modern soldiers get paid to fight, does that make them all mercanaries? Are only conscripted soldiers non-mercanaries?
Becuase an 18 year old American joins the military for free education (college) does that make him/her a mercanary? This is sarcasim for Uninen and Mustamato

[mustamato]

And by the way, mercenaries fight for other countries. Sorry mate.

Read the article I edited in to my post above. What do you call in example
South African contractors, in which way are they "fighting for their country"
when they guard some pipeline in Iraq?

[ibstolidude]

Cutting right in the cheese, and passing the BS:

A mercenary is a soldier who fights for money, regardless of ideological, national or political considerations.

so all proffessional armies are mercs - as are the UN as are the UNMIKs, IPTF, EUROCORPS etc??? what about Police, interpol, europol, any numbner of international police task forces - your definition is a joke

:petting:

I never said that if your electrician and hired to repair the Iraqs power grid that your a merc, but if your running around in a occupied nation with weapons, involved in security or offensive ops with special forces (Task Force 20..) your certainly a merc... I am not familiar with any being used in such capacity in Iraq - show me some evidence - and even if they are they do not exceed the UN definition


During a mid-September firefight north of Baghdad, Ben Thomas recorded the first known kill of an adversary with a relatively new type of ammunition. The former Navy SEAL, now a security consultant with a private corporation contracted by the U.S. government, was traveling with three colleagues when they were ambushed by an estimated eight to 12 ?bad guys.?

Now if people like that aint MERC:s, sorry but by the definitions of the UN they are NOT mercs. - and UBL still specifically and intentionally targets non-combatants as part of his strategic campaign - he is still a terrorist

[Uninen]

I'm still waiting uninen. Whats the matter can't find any proof to back yourself?.

What?

What is that i MUST prove to you? The REALITY PERHAPS? Try finding yourself......

And about the vid, did you hear them say that killing like that is a no, no and the redneck should have his ass handed over to him because of the criminal killing? No, they just said "Another Iraqi"......

Just "another Iraqi" thats the mentality you people have, i mean its ok to kill just "another Iraqi".

And for the documentarys,

Well try this (series) for starters "The Iraq War - One Year later, History Channel" and pay less attention for the propagandist narrator and more to the footage you see, also pay extra attention when watching the last and 6th episode.

Theres some good **** for you, civilians killed, troops surrendering killed etc. All by Coalition.

And anyhow.. so what if SOME US NETWORKS are now trying to show that whats really up? I mean EVERY GOD FORSAKEN NETWORK WAS CRYING ABOUT SADDAM HAVING HIS WMD:s before invasion....................

CLAIM WHICH I ALREADY THEN KNEW TO BE A LIE.

So wheres the utility of hinds sight? Wheres the point telling that we lied back then?

The all the damage thats done is already there, and US media HELPED ALOT TO SHAPE THE IMAGE OF US PUBLIC ABOUT HOW THE THINGS IN IRAQ SUPPOSEDLY ARE.

IE: this WMD lie, lie about you going to free Shiias, Shiias whom are now killing you as they dont like your occupation.

And futhermore, ive already said all i have to say about this subject, all true, if you want to learn more about the facts given or you want to prove me wrong in your little mind (which is mission impossible......) , SEARCH THE INFO BY YOURSELF ive got better things to do.........

[ibstolidude]

Just "another Iraqi" thats the mentality you people have, i mean its ok to kill just "another Iraqi".


Thank you for letting your predjudices show.

It would appear that you now know exactly what I think and know - thanks for answering any question about what kind of poster you are.

[ronin2172]

Ngati i think hell is gonna freeze over before he answers u!lol

PMC's running around with task force 20? That's new!

so u r saying if th PMC's didn't hit back when attacked they wouldn't be mercenaries and it would then be ok for them to be there....that is logical i guess, twisted but logical!lol

I like how u didn't show the WHOLE article...just the part that supported (in a very, very vague way) your point. The article never stated he was running around using iraqis as target practice. It said he and his colleagues were ambushed and he had this type of ammo in his rifle. the article went on to state that congress (i assume u kno who they are) had approved that the special forces community test this new ammo with the aim of issuing it to the spec ops community.

Man u gotta come better than that! I hate calling people names but damn u r sorely testing the depths of my respect for my fellow man!

anyway show some more flowers!lol

[Aussie E]

Uninen wrote:
And anyhow.. so what if SOME US NETWORKS are now trying to show that whats really up? I mean EVERY GOD FORSAKEN NETWORK WAS CRYING ABOUT SADDAM HAVING HIS WMD:s before invasion....................

CLAIM WHICH I ALREADY THEN KNEW TO BE A LIE.

You happen to be one of Saddam's ex-cronies that help dispose of the WMD or do you have a crystal ball that told you it was a LIE?

[Aussie E]

Has God also forsaken Al-jeezera? or is it on his approved watching list?

[Uninen]

Just "another Iraqi" thats the mentality you people have, i mean its ok to kill just "another Iraqi".


Thank you for letting your predjudices show.

It would appear that you now know exactly what I think and know - thanks for answering any question about what kind of poster you are.

ibstolidude,

Have you not read whats written here?

I mean i just replied shortly with few facts and as politely i could to not really trying to piss anybody off and even so these kids here started stamming things like "Uninen go away" , "Uninen your retard" etc.

:cantbeli:

[Falco]

During a mid-September firefight north of Baghdad, Ben Thomas recorded the first known kill of an adversary with a relatively new type of ammunition. The former Navy SEAL, now a security consultant with a private corporation contracted by the U.S. government, was traveling with three colleagues when they were ambushed by an estimated eight to 12 ?bad guys.?


I think he was still a SEAL when this happened because he was threatened with court-martial.

http://www.armedforcesjournal.com/bullets/

[Uninen]

"he mistakenly surmised that Thomas was an active-duty serviceman "

He was not........

(from same source)

[FDF_Hemppis]

I have to say that I too think people who fight for money should be called mercenaries. It really doesn't matter to me what their role is, it's still a 'merc for me.

And of course there are laws made to make the difference between a mercenary and i.e. a PMC, there has to be for the sake enforcing those laws!

And about this whole "prove that" -thing:
It's somewhat pointless to try changing one's opinion about something. If a person feels that the matter is "this way" and not any other, he has the right to do so without needing to prove everything with scientific experiment. (<- for example)

However, one should, when making any arguments, clearly indicate if those are of his own opinions. If those are not ones own opinions, but are offered as hard facts, evidence on which they are based on should be produced.

Offering your own views against an opposite one is a natural thing, but one should not try to force those views to anyone.

Hopefully that was unclear enough... I'm freaking tired so no flaming, please, I'm just trying to present my opinion...

[Uninen]

Uninen wrote:
And anyhow.. so what if SOME US NETWORKS are now trying to show that whats really up? I mean EVERY GOD FORSAKEN NETWORK WAS CRYING ABOUT SADDAM HAVING HIS WMD:s before invasion....................

CLAIM WHICH I ALREADY THEN KNEW TO BE A LIE.

You happen to be one of Saddam's ex-cronies that help dispose of the WMD or do you have a crystal ball that told you it was a LIE?

No macig here, hard facts. And this lack of WMD has been a fact long before the 1998 when "UNSCOM" was "forcecd out", in fact they were ordered out, but no by Iraqis...................

[Aussie E]

What's "your intel" have to say about the NBA play-offs? Is Kobe going to lead the Lakers to another champoinship? Can I trust the god-forsaken news to report on this subject truthfully or will it be a lie as well?

[Ratamacue]

And by the way, mercenaries fight for other countries. Sorry mate.

Read the article I edited in to my post above. What do you call in example
South African contractors, in which way are they "fighting for their country"
when they guard some pipeline in Iraq?

They're working for their government, no? If they're not hired by their government, then they're certainly not in a major combat role. They're working as security forces guarding pipelines. If you call that a mercenary, well, you could call a police officer or a security guard at the mall mercenaries as well. Your logic is very poor.

Really though, I'd love to see you guys called Argyll or Triggerpuller mercenaries to their face.

[Uninen]

Sorry no, we dont study NBA..

[Aussie E]

Why the edit Uninen, concerned about OPSEC?

[Uninen]

Why the edit Uninen, concerned about OPSEC?

Dunno what are you talking about... just smoothed out some typos.. after all, im not native in english...

Also please clarify OPSEC? Havent heard what that means.. in english at least......

[Aussie E]

Aussie E wrote:
Why the edit Uninen, concerned about OPSEC?


Dunno what are you talking about... just smoothed out some typos.. after all, im not native in english...

Also please clarify OPSEC? Havent heard what that means.. in english at least......You mentioned that people like you need to know the facts and that "your intel" told you these facts before you changed the whole sentence, not just smoothing out some typos. OPSEC is Operational Secruity.

[Uninen]

Uhm.. :roll:

[Aussie E]

works for me, at least you didn't deny it and make me think I was seeing things and going insane.

[Fiber]

So, tell me, Weedman; If the US is so evil for liberating Iraq, how much worse are you for playing a video game about it for entertainment?!

Smell that? Smells like hypocrisy!

Err. So Im a hypocrite for wathcing wathing "Psycho" even though I don't enjoy stabbing women taking showers?

[Fox2]

Err. So Im a hypocrite for wathcing wathing "Psycho" even though I don't enjoy stabbing women taking showers?

Are you putting yourself in the psycho's place? Are your actions and thoughts affecting the plot? Are you saying, "Shame on that pyscho for killing that woman," and then a minute later, "kill some more, kill some more, kill some more!"? Furthermore, did the events of "the psycho" really happen?

On one hand, he believes the US to be all these terrible things, war criminals, baby killers, and then he plays a game where he is put in the place of that US soldier for entertainment purposes. Real people right now are dying in Iraq, and that makes light of it, turning it into nothing more than cheap entertainment. That was my point.

It would be like some folks on here, condemning the assassination of Rantissi, and then going off and playing a computer game where they kill Rantissi over and over and over again.

[Ngati Tumatauenga]

Uninen wrote,

What?

What is that i MUST prove to you? The REALITY PERHAPS?

Ah, your selective memory at work again,

You said,

And of many combatants killed they have been ineffect executed, IE shot from close range after they have been incapacitated. (badly wounded)

And I said,

Well prove it then. What sources did you use to gain that info?.

To which you replied,

IE News, documentaries.. that show the evenst unfolding. (and some other sources, which are better left unmentioned..).

To which I replied,

Just take your nose off from the CNN, and you shall learn

Which is the definition of irony considering you used an CNN excerpt to attempt to prove your point :cantbeli: , Not to mention that footage has already been exposed as being taken out of context.

So I said,

What a cop out. What news?, what documentaries?. Names, dates, companys that produced them. On what channels did they screen?, in what news papers, magazines, periodicals were they published?. Who were the journalists?. Don't give me that better left unmentioned ****, back your claims up with proof and/or evidence and no your word isn't good enough.

And you rejoined with,

What?

What is that i MUST prove to you? The REALITY PERHAPS?

All of which PROVES the point I made a while ago,

Uninen, your in the same class as fantassin, mustamato, etc. Your arguments are driven by emotion and you are blind to any facts put before you.
But worst of all when asked a direct question, usually for evidence, you either go off on a tangent or ignore it completely.
Debating with you is as fruitless as argueing with a four year old child.

Uninen wrote,

Just "another Iraqi" thats the mentality you people have, i mean its ok to kill just "another Iraqi".

Again exceptionally ironic considering you yourself wrote,

And the whole machine of "ARVN" was rotten inside and i suspect that so is the Malaysian army also....

But thats okay because they're "only" Malaysians right?, or how about,

Heres the deal, show me one decent Albanian?

In the mean time as your looking for it (him/her) i show how they usually are:

They are MEMBERS OF UCK OR AL-QAIDA, THEY ARE GUN DEALERS (ROBBING THE WEAPONS FROM THEIR OWN ARMY..) AND SLAVERS (SELL PEOPLE AS PROSTITUTES ETC..) or THEN THEY JUST OVERTHROW THEIR OWN GOVERNMENT BECAUSE THEY (THE PEOPLE) LOST THEIR MONIES WHEN THEY INVESTED ON CRIMINAL "PYRAMID" BUSINESSES.. etc

And of course thats okay because they're only Albanians. How does it feel to in and of yourself, be something that you despise in others?.

Ibstolidude wrote,

Thank you for letting your predjudices show.

Yes indeed uninen.


And anyhow.. so what if SOME US NETWORKS are now trying to show that whats really up? I mean EVERY GOD FORSAKEN NETWORK WAS CRYING ABOUT SADDAM HAVING HIS WMD:s before invasion....................

CLAIM WHICH I ALREADY THEN KNEW TO BE A LIE.

So what did Saddam use on that Kurd village then?,


And futhermore, ive already said all i have to say about this subject,

I doubt that,


all true

Says who?,


if you want to learn more about the facts given

I'm trying too, but you are not providing any proof to back up YOUR claims,


you want to prove me wrong in your little mind (which is mission impossible......)

Hardly, more like mission accomplished several times over so far,


SEARCH THE INFO BY YOURSELF

Why should I?. You made the claims so its your responsibility to back them up. The burden of proof lays with you.


I mean i just replied shortly with few facts and as politely i could to not really trying to piss anybody off

You can only replie if someone directs a question or statement to you in the first place. You didn't use facts, you employed apparently baseless(until you can prove them) statements biased with your subjective view of any and all things American. So stop whining.

And as for how countries treat they're POWs/detainees why don't you take a look at your pal mustamatos photos in the req;real combat photos thread. The ones where whites execute the reds. I guess even finland has blood on its hands. Anyone held accountable for those war crimes?.

[Maine Finn]

I'm going to skip over most of your post except for this part.


And as for how countries treat they're POWs/detainees why don't you take a look at your pal mustamatos photos in the req;real combat photos thread. The ones where whites execute the reds. I guess even finland has blood on its hands. Anyone held accountable for those war crimes?

Of course Finland has blood on her hands. What country doesn't? Does that make everyone whose blood lines trace there automatically bad? I hope not. If so, every Finn on this Forum is bad. The same would be true for the Polish, the Swedes, the Russians. The truth is not all of us are to blame for the misbehaviours of a few. I resent that people continually condemn all the members of a particular nationality for that. That's not to say it will ever end, but I resent it all the same.

Uninen and Mustamato and everyone else are more than entitled to their opinions as long as they are able to back up what they say with solid evidence and reliable sources. If some of their sources cannot be revealed due to OpSec or whatever, then so be it. We ought respect that and not give them crap becuase they can't say where they got a piece of information. I almost wonder if there's something personal in this continuing bickering. If you guys are exchanging fire via PMs, that's fine. It keeps the rest of us from having to deal with it on the Forum proper. But try to keep the bad feelings confined to your inboxes, though, okay?

I don't know why some members continue to provoke, but they do. And as long as they do, lads like Uninen, Mustamato, Korth, and others will respond in kind. It's only natural. But I suppose that showing some sort of retsraint when you post is next to impossible, isn't it?

~Emily

[foxtrot023]

I'm going to skip over most of your post except for this part.


And as for how countries treat they're POWs/detainees why don't you take a look at your pal mustamatos photos in the req;real combat photos thread. The ones where whites execute the reds. I guess even finland has blood on its hands. Anyone held accountable for those war crimes?

Of course Finland has blood on her hands. What country doesn't? Does that make everyone whose blood lines trace there automatically bad? I hope not. If so, every Finn on this Forum is bad. The same would be true for the Polish, the Swedes, the Russians. The truth is not all of us are to blame for the misbehaviours of a few. I resent that people continually condemn all the members of a particular nationality for that. That's not to say it will ever end, but I resent it all the same.

Uninen and Mustamato and everyone else are more than entitled to their opinions as long as they are able to back up what they say with solid evidence and reliable sources. If some of their sources cannot be revealed due to OpSec or whatever, then so be it. We ought respect that and not give them crap becuase they can't say where they got a piece of information. I almost wonder if there's something personal in this continuing bickering. If you guys are exchanging fire via PMs, that's fine. It keeps the rest of us from having to deal with it on the Forum proper. But try to keep the bad feelings confined to your inboxes, though, okay?

I don't know why some members continue to provoke, but they do. And as long as they do, lads like Uninen, Mustamato, Korth, and others will respond in kind. It's only natural. But I suppose that showing some sort of retsraint when you post is next to impossible, isn't it?

~Emily

What you say is true. However concerning this thread, what conclusions are we to draw from somebody that names the thread ¨brave US soldiers kill terrorists¨ and then places pics of dead kids?
Right from the start we have a thread that is founded in an insult, and people start getting fiery, as it is an insult without foundation.

As you said, all countries have blood in their hands, but a thread like this only has one objective: to insult.

Regards

[Ngati Tumatauenga]

MF this had nothing to do with you, but its a public forum if you want to engage thats fine by me.


Of course Finland has blood on her hands. What country doesn't? Does that make everyone whose blood lines trace there automatically bad? I hope not.

THAT is exactly my point. Its nice to see that you understand but unfortunately it wasn't directed at you. Uninen continuously critisizes the US whilst displaying many of the traits he apparently abhors, ie predjudice for example. But of course you understand that don't you?,


I resent that people continually condemn all the members of a particular nationality for that.

Or do you because you go on to say,


I don't know why some members continue to provoke, but they do. And as long as they do, lads like Uninen, Mustamato, Korth, and others will respond in kind. It's only natural. But I suppose that showing some sort of retsraint when you post is next to impossible, isn't it?

Thats really the pot calling the kettle black isn't it MF?. A bit of national pride is one thing but being an apologist for the idiocy of others is a bit trite really. Go and research a few of Uninen & co's posts and then tell me if they've only ever been provoked. Oh here I'll do it for you,

Or the supposed Predator footage of that heroic SEAL that fell out of CH-47 that came undcer RPG attack that fought hundreds of Al-Qaida with his bare hands untill they final after many KIA:s "over ran" him with their AK:s......


Explain who or how he was provoked into denigrating the memory of Petty officer Neil Roberts will you because I just can't work it out myself. Must take a college education I suppose.


If some of their sources cannot be revealed due to OpSec or whatever, then so be it. We ought respect that and not give them crap becuase they can't say where they got a piece of information.

Aw c'mon, not that old cliche?. " I could tell you but then I'd have to kill you" rofl. You're disappointing me MF, I had such respect for you until this post. If I use your standards then I can say what I want and never be held accountable. Isn't THAT what Uninen & co accuse the US of doing?.

If you're going to say something controversial or inflamitory then you'd better be prepared to back it up. That goes not just for this forum but for life itself. If you think otherwise then your delusional.


But try to keep the bad feelings confined to your inboxes, though, okay?

When were you made a moderator?

Something personal?, show some restraint?, girl you have no idea.

edit.
I agree with most of what you said MF. Unfortunately however, you display a double standard in the application of your ideas. If you expect me to take anything you say seriously you'll have to apply your ideals evenly across the forum not just to those who come from Finland etc. That just smacks of favouritism and destroys the credibility(such as it was) of your argument.

[Maine Finn]

Tell you what. You can respect me or not. I really don't care. I'm past the point of caring right now.

Excuse me for trying to mediate. I was only attempting to bring about some sort of cease-fire. Thanks for showing me that my efforts are completely futile. I really appreciate people throwing what I say back at me by saying it's trash, and they've respected me until a certain point. Either you respect me, or you don't. Period.

I am not "apologising" for my countrymen, nor am I "defending" them. Each time I try, I get this.

So, thanks again. You've shown me yet again what a stupid thing it is to have a heart and to try to get people to stop bickering. Why I bother, I don't know. I have no "credibility". Your post is the straw that broke the camel's back yet again.

Now, if you will excuse me, this girl is going to cry herself to sleep.

[Ngati Tumatauenga]

Blow your nose, wipe your eyes, take a deep breath and count to ten..........Alright are you calm now?.

Where did I say what you said was trash?. Don't but words into my mouth.


Excuse me for trying to mediate. I was only attempting to bring about some sort of cease-fire.

Didn't sound like mediation to me. I was under the impression that a mediator worked for both sides. I didn't see you writing anything about anyone but me.


I am not "apologising" for my countrymen, nor am I "defending" them.

Are you sure?, because I read,


I don't know why some members continue to provoke, but they do. And as long as they do, lads like Uninen, Mustamato, Korth, and others will respond in kind. It's only natural.

That sounds like an apology of sorts and entirely one sided. Maybe its just me.......


I have no "credibility".

Gee, you do like jumping to conclusions don't you?. I said
That just smacks of favouritism and destroys the credibility(such as it was) of your argument. Which means that your post(and stance) does have credibility but that it being eroded( a little less combative than destroyed?) by your lack of even-handidness. Don't quote me out of context.

If you want to try your hand at mediation ( I have and its VERY difficult ). The first rule is you must be impartial. If you lack impartiality then you lack credibility.

Oh and it might pay to grow a thicker skin if your still looking at a career in law enforcement.

Sleep tight.

[Maine Finn]

I give up.

Pay a visit to the Off-Topic Section. I have thick enough skin in real life. It's just been chipped away.

Thanks so much. I'm still just an idiot girl-child who needs the condescension of such wordly and experienced males like yourself to keep me in line.

[Uninen]

Rule number one of the fight club is that there is no fight club...... rofl

Seriously Ngati Tumatuenga,

I hate it when people go on quoting other peoples texts in fassion that you do.........

1. it extremely hard an annoing to read.
2. cant you just write a "conbventional reply"
3. Replys like that make you look like some "smart ass".


But all in all, this has turned to a comedy because of you......

And of malaysians..... seen the pics? Go have a look........ the guys look like pimps which many of ARVN actually were........ or have you forgotten???

And of Malaysians and Albanians........... said what i have im still not planning to kill them in masses, nor i think its ok to anybody to do so, i just think that those people (the great majority of rogue Albanians and pimp looking Malaysian soldiers) should be teached some manners thats all........

:)

[Ngati Tumatauenga]

MF you seem to have a really big hang up about being female.


I'm still just an idiot girl-child who needs the condescension of such wordly and experienced males like yourself to keep me in line.

No, if anything your a little naive and if you read my posts carefully I've treated you exactly the same as I have treated anyone else on this forum. So don't start with me on the 'I'm just a little girl' routine because it won't work. Best Platoon Commander i've ever had was a female and that was on operations for six months. I could give more examples but suffice to say I give credit where credit is due, regardless of nationality, race, religion or gender. Unlike some,


And of Malaysians and Albanians........... said what i have im still not planning to kill them in masses, nor i think its ok to anybody to do so, i just think that those people (the great majority of rogue Albanians and pimp looking Malaysian soldiers) should be teached some manners thats all........

And you still haven't censured him in any way MF. Before you comment I don't give a **** what you or anyone else thinks of my values.

Uninen wrote,

I hate it when people go on quoting other peoples texts in fassion that you do.........


Seriously Uninen, I couldn't care less what you personally like or dislike.


1. it extremely hard an annoing to read.
2. cant you just write a "conbventional reply"
3. Replys like that make you look like some "smart ass".

Nice to see my tactics being validated, thanks.


But all in all, this has turned to a comedy because of you......

Actually I see myself as playing the Ringmaster to your clown...........

You want closure uninen?, then answer my questions. If you can't answer my questions then you don't have any credibility. And don't hide behind that OPSEC bull**** either.

[Haiw]

Bla bla bla bla... Uninen, do you really not get it or don't you WANT to get it because it would conflict with your narrow-minded views... Go look at ****ing flowers and stop wasting our time and bandwith here.

[Maine Finn]

Good for you, for having a top-notch PC. Glad she did a good job.

Too bad I'm not like her.

Yes, I'm very naive to the point of being an idiot, because I'm only nineteen and haven't diddly-squat in my life to this point. Sorry for appearing to be something that clearly I'm not.

I know I didn't censure him for that, because he hardly listens to another Finn, let alone somebody else. I've stopped trying. And I think I'll stop posting as well so I can go and grow a "thicker skin" that I may be a good soldier when I go into the Guard.

Great job, mate. You've just shown me what I need to become to be successful in life and on The Job.

~Emily

[Wilco]

*Gay Voice*
Oh look at the pretty colors!


http://www.wmich.edu/wmu/wallpaper/photos/flowers.jpg



Might have gotten off topic, so I decided to bring it on topic. :P

[Uninen]

http://www.luontokuvat.com/kukat/3/sinivuokko.jpg
Sinivuokko.....

:P

[MK133]

Holy fuking ****!!!

[Ngati Tumatauenga]

Main Finn wrote,

Too bad I'm not like her.


How do you know?. You could be more like her than you think. Don't jump to conclusions.

Everyone starts off naive. Its the default setting of humanity.


Great job, mate. You've just shown me what I need to become to be successful in life and on The Job.



Don't be facetious, it unbecoming.

[Jack Mehoff]

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