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TheBlackHand
04-16-2004, 05:23 PM
...and about a mile out we'll put on the music.


Apr 16, 4:06 PM EDT

Troops Blast Music in Siege of Fallujah (http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/stories/I/IRAQ_FRONT_LINE?SITE=TXWIC&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT)

By JASON KEYSER
Associated Press Writer

FALLUJAH, Iraq (AP) -- In Fallujah's darkened, empty streets, U.S. troops blast AC/DC's "Hell's Bells" and other rock music full volume from a huge speaker, hoping to grate on the nerves of this Sunni Muslim city's gunmen and give a laugh to Marines along the front line.

Unable to advance farther into the city, an Army psychological operations team hopes a mix of heavy metal and insults shouted in Arabic - including, "You shoot like a goat herder" - will draw gunmen to step forward and attack. But no luck Thursday night.

The loud music recalls the Army's use of rap and rock to help flush out Panamanian leader Manuel Noriega after the December 1989 invasion on his country, and the FBI's blaring progressively more irritating tunes in an attempt to end a standoff with armed members of the Branch Davidian cult in Waco, Texas in 1993.

The Marines' psychological operations came as U.S. negotiators were pressing Fallujah representatives to get gunmen in the city to abide by a cease-fire.

Six days after negotiations halted a U.S. offensive against insurgents in the city, the Marines continue carving out front line positions and hope for orders to push forward. Many are questioning the value of truce talks with an enemy who continues to launch attacks.



"These guys don't have a centralized leader; they're just here to fight. I don't see what negotiations are going to do," said Capt. Shannon Johnson, a company commander for the 3rd Battalion, 4th Marine Regiment. Word of truce talks last week forced his battalion to halt its plunge into the northeast section of the city just hours after arriving to back up other Marines.

In the meantime, perhaps the fiercest enemy - everyone here seems to agree - is the boredom, and worst of all the flies that pepper this dusty Euphrates River city west of Baghdad. Marines burn them, using matches to turn cans of flammable bug spray into mini blow torches. They also try to kill them by sprinkling diesel fuel over fly colonies. They joke about calling in airstrikes.

Fallujah's front lines remain dangerous.

On Friday, insurgents fired several mortars at U.S. forces. One of the shells blasted a chunk out of a house where Marines are positioned, filling the building with dust and smoke. No one was injured.

A short time later, an F-16 jet dropped a 2,000-pound bomb on the city, sending up a massive spray of dirt and smoke and destroying a building where Marines had spotted gunmen.

"The longer we wait to push into the city, the more dangerous it's going to be," said Cpl. Miles Hill, 21, from Oklahoma, playing a game of chess with a fellow Marine in a house they control.

"They (the insurgents) have time to set stuff up." He guesses the insurgents are likely rigging doors with explosives, knowing Marines will kick them in during searches if they sweep the city.

Up on the roof, Pfc. James Cathcart, 18, kept watch from a sandbagged machine-gunner's nest Friday. His platoon commander passed along word that troops found a weapons cache that included a Soviet-made sniper rifle with a night-sight.

"A night-sight, sir?" he said, surprised that insurgents had the technology. His commander told him to keep his head down. "Everyone here wants to push forward. Here, you're just a target," Cathcart said.

The young Marine looked out over grim city blocks around a dusty soccer pitch and a trash-strewn lot, as a rain shower passed over. He said during the long hours of duty, he wonders what the insurgents are doing, how many there are and if they're watching him.

Adding to the eery feeling up, he said, are the music and speeches in Arabic that come over mosque loudspeakers.

Unable to advance farther, Marines holed up in front-line houses have linked the buildings by blasting or hammering holes through walls between them and laying planks across gaps between rooftops, a series of passageways they call the "rat line."

Lying on his stomach on a rooftop and wearing goggles and earplugs, a Marine sniper keeps an eye to his rifle sight. His main task in recent days has been trying to hit the black-garbed gunmen who occasionally dash across the long street in front of him. To dodge his shots, one of the gunmen recently launched into a rolling dive across the street, a move that had the sniper and his buddies laughing.

"I think I got him later. The same guy came back and tried to do a low crawl," said Lance Cpl. Khristopher Williams, 20, from Fort Myers, Fla.

Others have run across the street, hiding behind children on bicycles, said the sniper. In his position - reachable only by scaling the outside ledge of a building - he sits for hours with his finger poised on the trigger of a rifle that fires 50-caliber armor-piercing bullets with such force that the muzzle flash and exiting gasses from the weapon have blackened the bricks around the gun.

On the street in front of his position sits a car riddled with bullets, where the bloated, fly-infested bodies of three armed men have been left. The vehicle was shot up by Marine gunmen before the sniper set up his position.

Along the front line, Marines have been firing warning shots to scare away dogs chewing on corpses. In some cases, the troops have wrapped bodies in blankets and buried them in shallow graves.

At night, the psychological operations unit attached to the Marine battalion here sends out messages from a loudspeaker mounted on an armored Humvee. On Thursday night, the crew and its Arabic-language interpreter taunted fighters, saying, "May all the ambulances in Fallujah have enough fuel to pick up the bodies of the mujahadeen."

The message was specially timed for an attack moments later by an AC-130 gunship that pounded targets in the city.

Later, the team blasted Jimi Hendrix and other rock music, and afterward some sound effects like babies crying, men screaming, a symphony of cats and barking dogs and piercing screeches. They were unable to draw any gunmen to fight, and seemed disappointed.

Copyright 2004 Associated Press. All rights reserved.

NcDeuce
04-16-2004, 05:44 PM
When Manuel Noriega finally gave up and hopped onto CWO Cliff Wolcott's bird, he had on pink underwear to "ward off evil". Afro-Caribbean cult necklace and a crucifix on him as well...Occult shrines in his HQ...

Weird people out there...

I say keep blasting AC/DC. Throw in some Metallica & Toby Keith, :lol:

Abolith
04-16-2004, 05:44 PM
I'm no Pys-op but I don't think that this kinda stuff will work on them. I think that they have had the time to see what these kinds of tactics are meant to do and are going to avoid doing what we want them to.

but like I said I am no Pys-op.

Pooga
04-16-2004, 05:57 PM
Kinda gross yet kinda funny at the same time.

Tengu
04-16-2004, 05:58 PM
How about insulting allah?

wulfstan
04-16-2004, 06:01 PM
"You shoot like a goat herder"

That's funny as fvck... rofl

talib_killa34
04-16-2004, 06:01 PM
It works.

What they really need is to blast some of those "American Idol" wannabe's like that Hoang fok....


"Sha Bang Sha Bang...."

(no wait, they might dig that)

:| (@#*&!)

wulfstan
04-16-2004, 06:03 PM
almost as funny as my attempt to 'quote' something...

talib_killa34
04-16-2004, 06:04 PM
:lol: [/quote]

usa320
04-16-2004, 06:12 PM
what the should do is play OUTKAST's "Heeeeyallllllll" over and over and over and over again like the local radio station does here.

Fintin
04-16-2004, 06:14 PM
why does the military always play metal....play some U2...that should piss them off pritty good....the edges crazy guitar stuff, christian lyrics....cant beat that to drive a bunch of muslims crazy....not to mention they are irish.....

ibstolidude
04-16-2004, 06:16 PM
I'm no Pys-op but I don't think that this kinda stuff will work on them. I think that they have had the time to see what these kinds of tactics are meant to do and are going to avoid doing what we want them to.

but like I said I am no Pys-op.
It was worked very well in the past - not in the beginning but after a few days -

and the insults should be harsher, & more personal - insult the mens honor, prowess and ****** desire (***** works too). If you know specifics use those too.

Brozozo
04-16-2004, 06:17 PM
Good idea, piss off the rag-heads and give our boys something to listen to!

UkrainianAmerican
04-16-2004, 06:19 PM
why does the military always play metal....play some U2...that should piss them off pritty good....the edges crazy guitar stuff, christian lyrics....cant beat that to drive a bunch of muslims crazy....not to mention they are irish.....
Bah, the song Bloody Sunday by U2, is more likely to be used by the "opressed"

MetalBoy
04-16-2004, 06:54 PM
I say keep blasting AC/DC. Throw in some Metallica & Toby Keith, :lol:

Dunno, but Toby Keith might be going beyond the rules of the Geneva Convention(sorry I like the lyrics but can't stand that music :( ).
I woud say play some Cannibal Corpses but that might scare the **** out of the Marines too. Can't keep morale high when your blasting gross splatter death metal. p-)

Abolith
04-16-2004, 06:54 PM
ibstolidude,
maybe your right, maybe not, this is a vastly different culture we are dealing with. I guess only time will tell if it is successful or not.

Personally I don't care what they do so long as they get those two captured GI's back safely.

Uncle Sam
04-16-2004, 07:02 PM
It kinda worked in Panama...

Lt-Col A. Tack
04-16-2004, 07:11 PM
They could play the "Battle Hymn of the Republic" or a hymn like "Onward Christian Soldiers" That would probably would just make things worse :(

Actually, they should just play some good 80's rock. Rick Springfield, Huey Lewis, the good stuff. Can't be hatin' when your having a good time :)

They'd see how much more fun it is to be part of "the West"

Haiw
04-16-2004, 07:15 PM
Ride of the Valkyries anyone? :D

ibstolidude
04-16-2004, 07:18 PM
ibstolidude,
maybe your right, maybe not, this is a vastly different culture we are dealing with. I guess only time will tell if it is successful or not.

Personally I don't care what they do so long as they get those two captured GI's back safely.Been there seen it - it works - especially when done well against what many others refer to the "Arab mentality" of muchismo - much like te Latin.

Lt-Col A. Tack
04-16-2004, 07:19 PM
Ride of the Valkyries anyone? :D

Excellent Idea.

We got no beach though :(

ibstolidude
04-16-2004, 07:20 PM
ibstolidude,
maybe your right, maybe not, this is a vastly different culture we are dealing with. I guess only time will tell if it is successful or not.

Personally I don't care what they do so long as they get those two captured GI's back safely.Been there seen it - it works - especially when done well against what many others refer to the "Arab mentality" of muchismo - much like te Latin.


How many here respond to flames eventually -

one simple rash actions can = death
disruption/affect of the OODA Loop is effective in keeping opponents "off" - just like sleep depervation - mood is a a factor in decision making.

usa320
04-16-2004, 07:26 PM
Ride of THe Valkyries...Battle Hymn of the Republic...both good ideas...

Id play that song 'Beer For My Hoses' by Willie Nelson...The lyrics might actually mean something to these people...



To many gangsters doin dirty deeds.
to much corrption and crime in the streets.
time to extend the long arm of the law,
put a few more in the ground.
Send em all to there maker, thatll settle em down.



Take all the rope in Texas,
find a tall oak tree.
Hang up all of those bad boys,
For all the people to see.
For all the people to see.

p-)

weedman
04-16-2004, 07:35 PM
RussianAmerican:
Remedy.
Jew-rapper.
'nuff said.

Remedy - Never again (http://www.ohhla.com/anonymous/remedy/genuine/nevagain.rmd.txt)

TALOS
04-16-2004, 07:43 PM
How about insulting allah?
They dont want to alienate ALL Arabs, just piss off the terro's. That would backfire surely if they insult Allah!

American Patriot
04-16-2004, 07:44 PM
We alienate Arabs because we exist.

khukuri
04-16-2004, 07:45 PM
I'm no Pys-op but I don't think that this kinda stuff will work on them. I think that they have had the time to see what these kinds of tactics are meant to do and are going to avoid doing what we want them to.

but like I said I am no Pys-op.
It was worked very well in the past - not in the beginning but after a few days -

and the insults should be harsher, & more personal - insult the mens honor, prowess and ****** desire (***** works too). If you know specifics use those too.

it could also give the opposite effect,
if they have a god morale and leadership they can think

"is that all they have to say"

NcDeuce
04-16-2004, 07:46 PM
We alienate Arabs because we exist.

That attitude will win hearts and minds.

ibstolidude
04-16-2004, 07:46 PM
How about insulting allah?
They dont want to alienate ALL Arabs, just piss off the terro's. That would backfire surely if they insult Allah!
I would agree the insulting of Allah would not give the desired effect.

UkrainianAmerican
04-16-2004, 07:49 PM
RussianAmerican:
Remedy.
Jew-rapper.
'nuff said.

Remedy - Never again (http://www.ohhla.com/anonymous/remedy/genuine/nevagain.rmd.txt)
Yeah, hehe, thats his only decent song, the rest are lame.

MaDuce
04-16-2004, 07:50 PM
Blasting Isreali rap sounds like a good idea.

TALOS
04-16-2004, 07:52 PM
Blasting Isreali rap sounds like a good idea.
HAHA, that is funny really, prob is that the arab world would then say it was proof that the US was part of an Israeli plan to rule Iraq and they would get more support :roll:

Haiw
04-16-2004, 07:56 PM
Judging from the topic title I've got another nice one:
Rammstein - Sonne. :) And it gives us a German involvment in Iraq after all. :D

SeanAshi
04-16-2004, 08:00 PM
Play this ****....
http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=South+of+heaven/v=2/l=IVS/*-http://www.s-stumpp.de/slayer/slayer_alben/Slayer_South_Of_Heaven.jpg

UkrainianAmerican
04-16-2004, 08:00 PM
Judging from the topic title I've got another nice one:
Rammstein - Sonne. :) And it gives us a German involvment in Iraq after all. :D
Rammstein are a bunch of pinko baathists :P

Haiw
04-16-2004, 08:02 PM
I don't know what they are, or what they think... As long as they make good music I'll listen to it. I don't really care what makes it. It's what goes into my ear that counts. ;)

UkrainianAmerican
04-16-2004, 08:04 PM
I don't know what they are, or what they think... As long as they make good music I'll listen to it. I don't really care what makes it. It's what goes into my ear that counts. ;)
True.

SeanAshi
04-16-2004, 08:04 PM
Send him in....
http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=Hebrew+hammer/v=2/l=IVS/*-http://www.somethingjewish.co.uk/images/10_hammer.jpghttp://www.hebrewhammer.com/Logo.jpg

UkrainianAmerican
04-16-2004, 08:08 PM
Send him in....
http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=Hebrew+hammer/v=2/l=IVS/*-http://www.somethingjewish.co.uk/images/10_hammer.jpghttp://www.hebrewhammer.com/Logo.jpg
Word up hommie.

to free the oppressed
04-16-2004, 10:39 PM
http://www.angelfire.com/music3/rappinchicanos/Lil_Rob1.art
Play Sureņo Thugs. He'l have all the Iraqi's surrender.

Falco
04-16-2004, 10:46 PM
Ride of the Valkyries anyone? :D

Excellent Idea.

We got no beach though :(

No surfboards either :|

Haiw
04-16-2004, 10:49 PM
Still got the choppers, guns and pretty explosions though. :D

Fintin
04-16-2004, 10:52 PM
why not play stuff like yanni and char....stuff that anyone would sell their soul to make stop....you know playing metals just going to get them all crazy like cause music makes people kill people...the real trick would be ska...imagin all the iraqis skanking in the streets

foxtrot023
04-16-2004, 10:52 PM
When Manuel Noriega finally gave up and hopped onto CWO Cliff Wolcott's bird, he had on pink underwear to "ward off evil". Afro-Caribbean cult necklace and a crucifix on him as well...Occult shrines in his HQ...

Weird people out there...

I say keep blasting AC/DC. Throw in some Metallica & Toby Keith, :lol:

Noriega`s undies were red, and it was to ward off the evil eye. Plus Psy Ops kept a 24/7 bombardment of music including Bon Jovi ¨¨Dead or Alive¨ (gosh, they really played that record) to drive Noriega nuts.

Regards

foxtrot023
04-16-2004, 10:54 PM
http://www.angelfire.com/music3/rappinchicanos/Lil_Rob1.art
Play Sureņo Thugs. He'l have all the Iraqi's surrender.

hahaha, no dude, play asereje, and La macarena. If you are really evil, play Locomia :lol: :lol:

ibstolidude
04-16-2004, 11:32 PM
I'm no Pys-op but I don't think that this kinda stuff will work on them. I think that they have had the time to see what these kinds of tactics are meant to do and are going to avoid doing what we want them to.

but like I said I am no Pys-op.
It was worked very well in the past - not in the beginning but after a few days -

and the insults should be harsher, & more personal - insult the mens honor, prowess and ****** desire (***** works too). If you know specifics use those too.

it could also give the opposite effect,
if they have a god morale and leadership they can think

"is that all they have to say" - does it affect ooda loop? yes - no matter what you think it will do - it will likely affect decision making process - the more effects you create the more disruption and distraction that will exist - war is game of seconds and a game of snap decision
anything that creates more factors or dynamics for your enemy is a good thing.

mocking_loudly_died
04-17-2004, 01:03 AM
If any lovely lads want some hard-driven industrial tunes to annoy the enemy with send me a PM - I would do it gladly for the media attention.

My mate did the last Rock-star games adverts and got a **** load of publicity out of that.

SeanAshi
04-17-2004, 06:06 AM
Cut this guy lose in Baghdad
http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=Anton+LaVey/v=2/l=IVS/*-http://www.freebornhall.com/Health/Tips/lavey.jpg

Mr Gently Benevolent
04-17-2004, 06:13 AM
Play a **** load of Skinny Puppy that should send them doolally.