Poll: Most Americans see lingering racism -- in others

[LaoSexMachine]

Poll: Most Americans see lingering racism -- in others

Story Highlights

•Poll shows most Americans consider racism a problem
•Blacks more than twice as likely to call racism a "very serious" problem
•Almost half of whites and blacks say they know someone who is racist
•Only a few of either race say they are racially biased themselves
(CNN) -- Most Americans, white and black, see racism as a lingering problem in the United States, and many say they know people who are racist, according to a new poll.
But few Americans of either race -- about one out of eight -- consider themselves racist.
And experts say racism has evolved from the days of Jim Crow to the point that people may not even recognize it in themselves. (Watch how many blacks are still afraid to stop in a Texas town (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:cnnVideo%28%27play%27,%27/video/us/2006/12/12/oppenheim.sundown.town.cnn%27,%272006/12/19%27%29;)http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/.element/img/1.5/main/icon_video.gif (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:cnnVideo%28%27play%27,%27javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:cnnVideo%28%27play%27,%27/video/us/2006/12/12/oppenheim.sundown.town.cnn%27,%272006/12/19%27%29;%27,%272006/12/12%27%29;))
A poll conducted last week by Opinion Research Corp. for CNN indicates that whites and blacks disagree on how serious a problem racial bias is in the United States.
Almost half of black respondents -- 49 percent -- said racism is a "very serious" problem, while 18 percent of whites shared that view. Forty-eight percent of whites and 35 percent of blacks chose the description "somewhat serious." (See the poll results (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:CNN_openPopup%28%27/interactive/us/0612/poll.racism/frameset.exclude.html%27,%27620x430%27,%27toolbar=no,location=no,directories=no,status=no,menubar=no,scrollbars=no,resizable=no,width=620,height=430%27%29;))
Asked if they know someone they consider racist, 43 percent of whites and 48 percent of blacks said yes.
But just 13 percent of whites and 12 percent of blacks consider themselves racially biased.
The poll was based on phone interviews conducted December 5 through Thursday with 1,207 Americans, including 328 blacks and 703 non-Hispanic whites.
Blind to bias?

University of Connecticut professor Jack Dovidio, who has researched racism for more than 30 years, estimates up to 80 percent of white Americans have racist feelings they may not even recognize.
"We've reached a point that racism is like a virus that has mutated into a new form that we don't recognize," Dovidio said.
He added that 21st-century racism is different from that of the past.
"Contemporary racism is not conscious, and it is not accompanied by dislike, so it gets expressed in indirect, subtle ways," he said.
That "stealth" discrimination reveals itself in many different situations.
A three-year undercover investigation by the National Fair Housing Alliance found that real estate agents steered whites away from integrated neighborhoods and steered blacks toward predominantly black neighborhoods.
"Racism here is quite subtle," e-mailed CNN.com reader Blair William, originally from Trinidad, who now lives in Lexington, South Carolina. "I think that the issue is twofold. I believe that white America's perception of blacks is still generally negative based on their limited interaction with blacks, whether this is via the media or in person. ...
"On the other hand, black Americans need to stop devaluing themselves and their people," he added. "Another race can only respect you if you respect yourself and currently, I find that blacks still devalue and disgrace each other and themselves."
Applicants' names may sway employers

Racism also can be a factor in getting a job. (Watch how poll respondents feel about race and the top job in the U.S. (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:cnnVideo%28%27play%27,%27/video/politics/2006/12/12/schneider.hillary.obama.electibility.cnn%27,%272006/12/19%27%29;)http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/.element/img/1.5/main/icon_video.gif (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:cnnVideo%28%27play%27,%27/video/politics/2006/12/12/schneider.hillary.obama.electibility.cnn%27,%272006/12/19%27%29;))
Candidates named Emily O'Brien or Neil McCarthy were much more likely to get calls back from potential employers than applicants named Tamika Williams and Jamal Jackson, even though they had the same credentials, according to a study by the University of Chicago.
Racial bias may even determine whether you can flag a cab.
New York Times writer Calvin Sims recently wrote about his experiences in the city.
"If a cab passes you by, obviously it is frustrating, it's degrading and it's just really confusing, because this is akin to being in the South and being refused service at a lunch counter, which is what happened in the '60s and '70s," he said.
'Differences ... make this world exciting'

The Opinion Research poll shows that blacks and whites disagree on how each race feels about the other.
Asked how many whites dislike blacks, 40 percent of black respondents said "all" or "many." Twenty-six percent of whites chose one of those replies.
On the question of how many blacks dislike whites, 33 percent of blacks said "all" or "many," while 38 percent of whites agreed -- not a significant difference statistically because of the poll's 5 percent margin of error.
About half of black respondents said they had been a victim of discrimination because of their race. A little more than a quarter of whites said they had been victims of racial discrimination.
"I am a firm believer that racism is rampant in the United States," wrote another CNN.com reader, Mark Boyle, of Muncie, Indiana.
"The concept of 'race' is flawed," he added. "Our differences as human beings are what make this world exciting and interesting. If we were all of the same culture, how boring would that be? The world needs to take a page from the atmosphere in Hawaii -- the most racially diverse place in which I have lived."
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If it weren't for Barak Obama running for Pres. they wouldn't do these polls.


Besides. I rather have Powell running with McCain.

[vinny_121_ND]

What about mexicans? They get it rough too.

Asians too, and they make all the plasma tv's and computers. Without asians, we wouldn't even be able to turn on a computer and have high speed internet. Asians are so cool.

Racism sucks, and it appears everywhere, not just the united states. Australia, UK, Canada, south africa, the middle east too. Some Jews are racist to muslims, muslim fanatics really hate americans. What we all need is some nice, cold refreshing Canadian beer.

[vinny_121_ND]

In australia, some landlords usually don't want to rent to asian students because they fear that they're going to mess up the unity of a aussie caucasion neighborhood.

Americans should just drop the word 'tolerate' and start using words like being friends with everyone.

To tolerate means to hold back your inner anger against other cultures, and its different way of life. I don't know, I'll let a social science professor handle this question.

[Dronetek]

People are just overly sensitive.

[LaoSexMachine]

In australia, some landlords usually don't want to rent to asian students because they fear that they're going to mess up the unity of a aussie caucasion neighborhood.

Americans should just drop the word 'tolerate' and start using words like being friends with everyone.

To tolerate means to hold back your inner anger against other cultures, and its different way of life. I don't know, I'll let a social science professor handle this question.

Of course I had experience racism growing up but not where it made me bitter and hated a certain race. Renting, buying a car, going to a restaruant eas never had a problem. I dated white girls and never had a problem with thier parents.

[I'mOnlyHalfPolish]

(Watch how many blacks are still afraid to stop in a Texas town)

im guessing its jasper...no worries though they've topped us in the category of "watch how many whites are still afraid to stop in all majority black neighborhoods"

[askDNA]

Ugh, that lady at the end of the Japser video:cantbeli:

[LaoSexMachine]

(Watch how many blacks are still afraid to stop in a Texas town)

im guessing its jasper...no worries though they've topped us in the category of "watch how many whites are still afraid to stop in all majority black neighborhoods"

Acres Home and 610/homestead area

[exarmyguard]

You know, one of my neighbors like to burn a cross on thier front lawn and none of my black neighbors seem to be offended.

[I'mOnlyHalfPolish]

Acres Home and 610/homestead area

acres homes is an interesting area...head out there on a sunday night watch all of the "thugs" line their rides up and down the street and hang all night and into the morning, makes you wonder if they have jobs! (this would be a good place for a rolling eyes smiling face)

[I'mOnlyHalfPolish]

racism is a funny thing too sometimes...they should take a poll of how many people hate asians b/c my guess would be they would be lowest on the list of most hated...me thinks it is because they discipline their children, value education and the family and somehow never end up caught up in the controversy (im talking present day as well, i just know someone will bring up the Chinese RR workers) plus they are "generally" (i write this before someone tells me to stop stereotyping a particular race) are very hard working and industrious

haha its tough sometimes at mp.net, you just need to put in some disclaimers

[LaoSexMachine]

acres homes is an interesting area...head out there on a sunday night watch all of the "thugs" line their rides up and down the street and hang all night and into the morning, makes you wonder if they have jobs! (this would be a good place for a rolling eyes smiling face)

At least you made it out alive.

[I'mOnlyHalfPolish]

At least you made it out alive.

yeah i took a trip out with an old friend who was at the time...hell might still be im not sure..."repo"ing cars

[LaoSexMachine]

yeah i took a trip out with an old friend who was at the time...hell might still be im not sure..."repo"ing cars

That's why I pack. Don't know when you might need it.

[I'mOnlyHalfPolish]

That's why I pack. Don't know when you might need it.

yeah i watched what my four five did to two liter bottles of solid frozen ice and decided it could do some damage to one's body as well...**** though i need send my sh*t off for my CHL i took it over a year ago, they told me i have two years to send it off for the license...not sure if thats true and not sure if it still costs $140

[thscott83]

If it isn't okay to be racist in East Texas, it shows we have made a lot of progress.

[Roaming East]

There are places certain races arent advised to go in every community i have lived in in the US. If your in Eastern Va. You better keep your minority ass out of Poquoson for example.
Downtown Sumter isnt very hospitable to caucasians.
Places in Columbia SC prominantly display the confederate flag and have been known to sponsor KKK events.
Racism hasnt gone anywhere, it just isnt as open anymore.

[vinny_121_ND]

There are places certain races arent advised to go in every community i have lived in in the US. If your in Eastern Va. You better keep your minority ass out of Poquoson for example.
Downtown Sumter isnt very hospitable to caucasians.
Places in Columbia SC prominantly display the confederate flag and have been known to sponsor KKK events.
Racism hasnt gone anywhere, it just isnt as open anymore.

I guess these places, in elementary and secondary high school don't teach about geography, and history of other people's countries. It must be really boring there, not too much tourist activities. Don't expect asians to come here and take a zillion photos and open up their wallets.

[Mr. JOSHUA]

Stupid liberals, when you get them in a verbal corner and are about to verbally crush him on his political view, they always pop up at the last second with, why are you trying to divide the country.

Well what the hell is this?

If this isn't trying their damndest to divide the country, I don't know what is.

I'm pretty sure Americans with common sense already know racism exists in America and we do need to be reminded every once in a while but not like this and not every other day like Commie News Network wants.

I'm hispanic, how come they didn't talk about the stupid, idiotic group called La RAZA?

Do ya'll know what that means?

THE RACE

Imagine if a bunch of white boys where running around calling themselves that.

They would be called members of the ARYAN NATION.

Why isn't LA RAZA called out like that.

[vinny_121_ND]

See, why I like the us military a lot is that racism is a no no. When you're at war, you don't care if he's black, white, asian, spanish, pink, purple etc. If he or she can shoot straight, that's all that matters. If they can think on their own, and respond correctly under fire, who cares.

Once you enter the civilian world, all hell breaks loose into social structure and divisions. Mr. Joshua, life ain't all pretty sometimes, and it sucks when people from other countries come to america and don't integrate.

[ghost_x3]

racism is a funny thing too sometimes...they should take a poll of how many people hate asians b/c my guess would be they would be lowest on the list of most hated...me thinks it is because they discipline their children, value education and the family and somehow never end up caught up in the controversy (im talking present day as well, i just know someone will bring up the Chinese RR workers) plus they are "generally" (i write this before someone tells me to stop stereotyping a particular race) are very hard working and industrious

haha its tough sometimes at mp.net, you just need to put in some disclaimers

Exactly. I don't think its "Racism", but really how the majority of one race portrays itself to society. You wonder why a lot of people in the United States are "blindly biased" towards African-Americans, when you see that they contribute most to crime. Look at Hip-Hop culture, and you see that the majority of rap songs brag about violance; doing crime, selling drugs, how to ACT when high on drugs. Mac Dre for example, started the whole thing about exctasy, and now all the kids are doing it, and wearing the god damn "Thizz" shirts, and throwing up the signs. I am not saying that ALL black people are bad, and cause crime, but I think it is safe to say that the majority of them do, and are the major contributors to crime in the United States.

[Roaming East]

I guess these places, in elementary and secondary high school don't teach about geography, and history of other people's countries. It must be really boring there, not too much tourist activities. Don't expect asians to come here and take a zillion photos and open up their wallets.
Sure they do but a person takes most of their beliefs from their parents. If you grow up in an environment of hateful whitetrash all school is going to do is make you into educated hateful whitetrash.
East VA has a metric shiatload of history. It IS where most of our nations history took place. due a quick Wiki romp into Hampton Roads, Yorktown, Richmond Alexadria and Chesapeake Bay if you dont believe me. Just because you get tourist doesnt mean you arent any more a product of your environment.

[LaoSexMachine]

Exactly. I don't think its "Racism", but really how the majority of one race portrays itself to society. You wonder why a lot of people in the United States are "blindly biased" towards African-Americans, when you see that they contribute most to crime. Look at Hip-Hop culture, and you see that the majority of rap songs brag about violance; doing crime, selling drugs, how to ACT when high on drugs. Mac Dre for example, started the whole thing about exctasy, and now all the kids are doing it, and wearing the god damn "Thizz" shirts, and throwing up the signs. I am not saying that ALL black people are bad, and cause crime, but I think it is safe to say that the majority of them do, and are the major contributors to crime in the United States.


That's a bold statement.

[ghost_x3]

Sorry if I offended anybody, I truly do not wish to, but this is what I strongly believe.

But hey, let me ask you this question, which is quoted from Steve Sailer:

"Say your wife's car runs out of gas in the middle of the night in a desolate neighborhood. She has no idea which way to walk to find a gas station. However, if she walks one way she has to pass by a half dozen black youths lounging on a corner. If she walks the other way, she would have to pass by a half dozen Indian immigrant youths. Which way would you prefer she went?"

Now, I maybe wrong, but I think most of us would choose the path of the Indian immigrant youths. You may say, well, that is sort of racist/biased isn't it? Well, take a look at these statistics, and you will find that your decision is merely based on facts that are presented to you about one's race:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime

http://www.vdare.com/Sailer/050213_mapping.htm

http://www.vdare.com/taylor/050913_crime.htm

[Mr. JOSHUA]

..........MANNNNNN, this thread is starting to get touchy............

[California Joe]

Looks like this thread is having a little trouble walking a straight line.

Be careful with the generalizations....ghost, the quickest way to tell that someone knows they're being offensive is when they use qualifiers like prefacing a statement with "no offense but...." or end a gross generalization that is inherently offensive by adding..."Sorry if I offended anybody, I truly do not wish to, but this is what I strongly believe"

[Jobu]

Is it racist to hate something about all colors and creeds? I say this because there's no shortage of reasons to feel this way about nearly everybody. We all have our faults.

Or is racism a matter of degrees?

[AZRON]

Is it racist to hate something about all colors and creeds? I say this because there's no shortage of reasons to feel this way about nearly everybody. We all have our faults.

That's a good question. Since it does have a ring of truth to it.

But I think that inspite of lingering racism by all types life in the U.S. it isn't as racist driven as one may be led to believe.

The one sided problem much of the media brings up is it only mentions white vs. XXXXX racism. That is because the lefty-libs want to play the white man's guilt trip as a political tool . I read somewheres once where the editor of the NYT , at that time stated no negative news about minorities to his reporters .

The bottomline is how much does racism interfere with your life , liberty and the pursuit of happiness ?
Whether you are black applying for a job or a white running out of gas in the 'hood.

[ghost_x3]

Looks like this thread is having a little trouble walking a straight line.

Be careful with the generalizations....ghost, the quickest way to tell that someone knows they're being offensive is when they use qualifiers like prefacing a statement with "no offense but...." or end a gross generalization that is inherently offensive by adding..."Sorry if I offended anybody, I truly do not wish to, but this is what I strongly believe"

I know that what I say will offend people, but my point is that I really don't care if your offended by it; even though what I say is to express my true beliefs, and not just said to purposely piss people off. In my opinion, I don't think it's racist. If I were a racist, I would say that all black's are criminals, which is obviously not true and ignorant. Bottom line, Black's are most feared/hated against in the United States due to their bad reputation of harming society. Just look at the three links I gave you, the facts are all there.

[vinny_121_ND]

Looks like this thread is having a little trouble walking a straight line.

Be careful with the generalizations....

Believe me, racism never walks a straight line. I see it everyday. I look at eyes, how people behave, what makes them squirm a little. Everybody has generalizations and prejudices.

[Firetxmi]

Mac Dre for example, started the whole thing about exctasy, and now all the kids are doing it, and wearing the god damn "Thizz" shirts, and throwing up the signs.

Yes, because if there was no "Mac Dre" Ecstacy would not be! :roll:

Watch where your step because it can open up a whole can of worms. Next thing you know someone will be saying that by taking a kid hunting you are turning him into a cold blooded killer! (I of course do not believe this as I absolutely LOVE hunting!)

[ghost_x3]

Ok your right, Mac Dre did not introduce ecstasy, but he really did make it more popular. He puts his message into songs with good beats (that I will admit sadly), and points it at society, mainly younger kids. Obviously he doesn't intentionally shove it down kids throats, and he has the right to say whatever he wants, but he is a bad influence. He grew very popular, especially in 2001 and even started a "Thizz movement" which quoted from Wiki: "A hip hop subculture based around ecstasy use, club drugs, and feel good music in general".

[LaoSexMachine]

In 2005, the FBI estimated that 14,094,186 arrests occurred nationwide for all offenses (except traffic violations), of which 603,503 were for violent crimes, and 1,609,327 for property crimes.
Law enforcement officers made more arrests for drug abuse violations in 2005 (an estimated 1.8 million arrests, or 13.1 percent of the total) than for any other offense.
Nationwide, the 2005 rate of arrests was estimated at 4,761.6 arrests per 100,000 inhabitants; for violent crime, the estimate was 204.8 per 100,000; and for property crime, the estimate was 549.1 per 100,000.
Although the number of arrests in 2005 increased only a slight 0.2 percent from the 2004 figure, arrests for murder rose 7.3 percent.
Arrests of juveniles (under 18 years of age) for murder climbed 19.9 percent in 2005 compared with 2004 arrest data; for robbery, arrests of juveniles rose 11.4 percent over the same 2-year period.
In 2005, 76.2 percent of all persons arrested were male, 82.1 percent of persons arrested for violent crime were male, and 68.0 percent of persons arrested for property crime were male.
Among the four categories of race reflected in UCR arrest data, 69.8 percent of all persons arrested were white, 59.0 percent of persons arrested for violent crime were white, and 68.8 percent of persons arrested for property crime were white.
White juveniles comprised 67.5 percent of all juveniles arrested in 2005 and 67.2 percent of juveniles arrested for property crime.
Black juveniles comprised 49.8 percent of all juveniles arrested in 2005 for violent crime.

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/arrests/index.html

[I'mOnlyHalfPolish]

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/arrests/index.html

im confused by the percentages...?

[ghost_x3]

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0762156.html

Considering White's outnumber blacks by approximately 37,909,341, it is surprising that black's still commit 49.8 percent of the crime in the United States, and they are only the 3rd biggest Race in the United States.

Answer me this: How come poor, crime infested cities have a high number of African-Americans? Is it just a coincidence? That's weird, Hip-Hop culture also too seems to be dominated by African-Americans, and what do they mostly talk about? Oh, thats right, they mostly talk about things that are non-beneficial to society, that influences people to do bad things.

[Firetxmi]

Interesting how your first five posts are in this thread.

I see a short career for you here...

[Roaming East]

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0762156.html
Oh, thats right, they mostly talk about things that are non-beneficial to society, that influences people to do bad things.
Cute, But nearly ALL music does that. What the hell do Nu Metal bands talk about? What about standard Rock? Death Metal? Techno? If it aint about drug use, suicide murder or violence its about over throwing authority and law. Get your head out of your behind. Crime is caused by poverty and as a higher percentage of Black Americans exist in poverty than does White Americans it stands that crime statistics will reflect that.

[AZRON]

Cute, But nearly ALL music does that. What the hell do Nu Metal bands talk about? What about standard Rock? Death Metal? Techno? If it aint about drug use, suicide murder or violence its about over throwing authority and law. Get your head out of your behind. Crime is caused by poverty and as a higher percentage of Black Americans exist in poverty than does White Americans it stands that crime statistics will reflect that.

I'm sorry that's a poor excuse . I don't buy into it , it's not as though people are stealing to stop from starving to death when they can go to the Salvation Army for food , clothes and more.

Crime is caused by a mindset that declares it O.K. and a culture that excuses it. Crime is caused by a lack of scruples pure , simple and basic being trumped by greed and power. Skilling and Lay are prime examples.

We have a heck of alot of white-collar crime in this country and poverty doesn't figure into it at all.

[mudbunny]

There are a lot of interesting points being made here; one that I think is very important is that people of a certain ethnicity have to respect their own culture before they can expect someone else to. I see this alot in the black community; younger blacks expecting repsect of a certain kind yet can't seem to get out of their own way. I find alot of older black folks who find the behaviors and culture of black youth very disturbing and frustrating. Alot of these folks busted their butt and conducted themselves with a certain class to further their cause and gain acceptance only to have a newer generation grow up and become a total drain on society. Education is the key to furthering one's race, because it slowly weeds out ignorance and preconcieved notions; education is the key.

[Roaming East]

I'm sorry that's a poor excuse . I don't buy into it , it's not as though people are stealing to stop from starving to death when they can go to the Salvation Army for food , clothes and more.

Crime is caused by a mindset that declares it O.K. and a culture that excuses it. Crime is caused by a lack of scruples pure , simple and basic being trumped by greed and power. Skilling and Lay are prime examples.

We have a heck of alot of white-collar crime in this country and poverty doesn't figure into it at all.
you must never have volunteered at a Salvation Army or Soup Kitchen then, your ignorance on the matter proves it. Crime Statistics prove it. Common sense proves it. High joblessness rates in any given community directly translate into a community with high volumes of centralised poverty which then directly relates into those same poverty stricken areas having high per capita crime rates. To say otherwise indicates that you arent even aware of the problem at its very basest level. Its not an excuse, its reality. If you have large numbers of unemployed youngmen guess what happens, they form gangs, those gangs then produce violence to sustain themselves and the violence they create scares off community enhancement thus making the area poorer still starting the cycle over again

[I'mOnlyHalfPolish]

you must never have volunteered at a Salvation Army or Soup Kitchen then, your ignorance on the matter proves it. Crime Statistics prove it. Common sense proves it. High joblessness rates in any given community directly translate into a community with high volumes of centralised poverty which then directly relates into those same poverty stricken areas having high per capita crime rates. To say otherwise indicates that you arent even aware of the problem at its very basest level. Its not an excuse, its reality. If you have large numbers of unemployed youngmen guess what happens, they form gangs, those gangs then produce violence to sustain themselves and the violence they create scares off community enhancement thus making the area poorer still starting the cycle over again

problem is what is the answer...what is the solution...all i hear is people b*tch and no one actually living IN the community doing anything about it. people place all blame on gov't whether national or federal...but the community will never change until the community changes within. i think its cultural, its not only blacks that are poor, i have seen plenty of poor white people (fill in blank) as well. i hate to say it but i think its an attitude or the pursuance of a certain "persona" which is against the "system" (the man or whatever you want to call it). i don't believe in such things, i think there is a path to success that can be reached and attained while still holding on to your culture and belief system. it is so easy to point out the obvious and point the finger and place blame whether warranted or not, it is far harder to make actual change. it is not a racist belief, there is absolutely no reason to hold down any particular race for the good of everyone. why do you think there are social welfare programs, because people starving in the streets or turning to crime to feed themselves is bad for EVERYONE. too many people find it far to easy to focus strictly on race whether it is a racist white person saying that all blacks are dumb/lazy/etc or a black person blaming all of his problems on the white man both thoughts to me are equally harmful to the larger community abroad. we need to focus on the fact that as Americans we are pretty much all here to stay and that we need a serious attitude adjustment for all parties involved.

[ghost_x3]

Interesting how your first five posts are in this thread.

I see a short career for you here...

What difference does it make if I only have five posts in this thread? Am I not allowed to express my own thoughts and feelings? Maybe I should just follow what everybody else says, so I don't get talked down to right? At least I back up my statements with facts.

Roaming East: So all music tells kids to go get drunk, how to act when drunk, how to talk when drunk, go get high, deal drugs because it's cool and hard, or beat anybody down to the ground if they look at you wrong? Not all music tell's kids to do this. You maybe somewhat right, as some rock music does do this, but not nearly as much or public as rap music does. Rap music is growing much more popular, at least in CA. I don't see many rockers at my school dealing drugs, unlike the kids (that are surprisingly, and sadly white) that dress up like their favorite rapper, dealing drugs, and doing drugs on and near off campus. It is so obvious that rap has such a bigger influence on kids that any other genre of music it's almost absurd to even argue about it. "Crime is caused by poverty and as a higher percentage of Black Americans exist in poverty than does White Americans it stands that crime statistics will reflect that." Yeah, and why is the reason that Black's are always in poverty? Do they not get an equal chance like every other minority? I mean come on, my parents came from China, learning their ABC's when they were 27, but still, (not to brag) we are upper middle class. My parent's work their butt's off so that they can give me a good life, I just wish more Black adults would do the same for their children. There is no excuse for a bunch of people who come from a different country, no money, speak the different language, and know of no contacts, and still surpass you in life. I find that a lot of Black's get frustrated at their own mistakes, and laziness, then blame other people for their own faults.

[LaoSexMachine]

The majority of rap music are purchased by white kids in suburbia.

[ghost_x3]

....... it's still sung and wrote by blacks.

[LaoSexMachine]

....... it's still sung and wrote by blacks.

Which is supported by white kids in suburbia. BTW there are white and other rappers besides blacks.


Why don't you just come out what you want to say?

[ghost_x3]

Psh, their supported by white kids because blacks come in and influence everybody else to listen to their god damn garbage. I mean, freedom is great, but it really pisses me off when it allows morons to poison kid's minds. I never said there weren't any white rappers, when did I say that? Now your just putting words in my mouth. Come out and say what?

[AZRON]

you must never have volunteered at a Salvation Army or Soup Kitchen then, your ignorance on the matter proves it. Crime Statistics prove it. Common sense proves it. High joblessness rates in any given community directly translate into a community with high volumes of centralised poverty which then directly relates into those same poverty stricken areas having high per capita crime rates. To say otherwise indicates that you arent even aware of the problem at its very basest level. Its not an excuse, its reality. If you have large numbers of unemployed youngmen guess what happens, they form gangs, those gangs then produce violence to sustain themselves and the violence they create scares off community enhancement thus making the area poorer still starting the cycle over again

Well explain to me why we have 11,000,000 + plus illegals in this country sending home $45,000,000,000 a year in remittances to their homelands.

Who are now paying $2-3000 per head to get here.

It seems to me that in New Orleans a whole bunch of Mexicans have found work .

If they really want to join a gang I've been told the USMC is the toughest in the world but as an x-army volunteer I won't.

[Maskirovka]

Just a question:

A white rascist in europe tells a black person to "go home if you don´t like it here!".

Does an american white rascist allso say "Go home!" to an african-american or what do they say?

[LaoSexMachine]

Psh, their supported by white kids because blacks come in and influence everybody else to listen to their god damn garbage. I mean, freedom is great, but it really pisses me off when it allows morons to poison kid's minds. I never said there weren't any white rappers, when did I say that? Now your just putting words in my mouth. Come out and say what?


it's still sung and wrote by blacks.
???? These came out of you not I. Poison kids?


You know what you want to say. Your post says it all.

[ghost_x3]

Just a question:

A white rascist in europe tells a black person to "go home if you don´t like it here!".

Does an american white rascist allso say "Go home!" to an african-american or what do they say?

That wouldn't make sense, as we are all immigrants of the United States, exlcuding the Indians that were here before us.

Ezekiel25:17 : I am pretty sure you think I hate blacks, and that I am a ignorant racist. I don't blame you, I am sure that a lot of people have that misunderstanding too. What came out of me? Your the one that pushed and assumed that I am a racist, and your the one that asked the question so I don't know why you would want to try and pin this on me.

I live in a pretty good neighborhood, and two of my neighbors are African-American, and I am good friends with them, and their parents. They are hard working people, that are successful by working hard. Not only are they successful, but they actually benefit society a great deal, as they donate money to charities and their kids and I often do community service at least once a month for high-school community service hours. I hate people that are ignorant, and serve no meaningful purpose in my society, and the only reason why I focus so much on Black's is because they fit that profile the most.

[Maskirovka]

That wouldn't make sense, as we are all immigrants of the United States, exlcuding the Indians that were here before us.


But what do they say? "Your n****r your so stupid bla bla bla" or what?
"Go home" is a pretty convenient phrase to the rascist in europe. Like "You came here on your own and we don´t want you!" Does american white rascist use the "go home" phrase to latinos and asians?

[ghost_x3]

But what do they say? "Your n****r your so stupid bla bla bla" or what?
"Go home" is a pretty convenient phrase to the rascist in europe. Like "You came here on your own and we don´t want you!" Does american white rascist use the "go home" phrase to latinos and asians?


I am not sure what they say, as I have never ever witnessed anybody saying anything like that in person. Although I have heard phrases like that from TV and such, I don't think I can verify that question as I haven't heard it. All I know that approximately 40% of most skin heads reside in Russia, which is pretty scary. On www.video.google.com, there is a video where a guy does an investigation of skin heads in Russia. They have daily attacks on immigrants, and a bunch of them result in the death's of immigrants. Even Police Officers are members of the skin heads, and that leads to a lot of corruption.

[Laworkerbee]

(Watch how many blacks are still afraid to stop in a Texas town)

im guessing its jasper...no worries though they've topped us in the category of "watch how many whites are still afraid to stop in all majority black neighborhoods"

In Los Angeles a white guy at certain times driving through an "ethnic" (since there are really no longer any all black neighborhoods in Los Angeles)neighborhood has a pretty good probability of being pulled over for being out of place :)

[remo williams]

....... it's still sung and wrote by blacks.

Yes it is. However here's something you may not know. Not All "Rap"music is about thuggery and all urban manners of buffoonery. It didn't start out that way for sure. Behind the popular current Rap bs that's out is a record label with a ceo and board of directors who are counting the money made off pushing it. Many of the arguably better and positive/neutral artists are left to go independent or get a day job. The current crop devalues perceptions of not only the music , but of blacks to all else willing to rely on media as a learning tool, in general. But it makes money as well. It's beneficial to contunue promotion because it sells and generates profits. Mp3's via the internet are killing their bottom line, so they going with what works for them now. If Zamfir brought in the bucks like fcuking G-unit he's be on 24-7. It still boggles my mind that despite the fact that there are a growing group of people in the world who'd like to erase us all, we still gotta get caught up in bs. Divide and conquer.

[Ghostryder]

But what do they say? "Your n****r your so stupid bla bla bla" or what?
"Go home" is a pretty convenient phrase to the rascist in europe. Like "You came here on your own and we don´t want you!" Does american white rascist use the "go home" phrase to latinos and asians?

Yeah, that's pretty much it; racism isn't all that complicated.

[remo williams]

In Los Angeles a white guy at certain times driving through an "ethnic" (since there are really no longer any all black neighborhoods in Los Angeles)neighborhood has a pretty good probability of being pulled over for being out of place :)

That's problably going to be any city in an area with known drug traffic. In the city where I live, there were a few city officials and state workers in high level positions pulled over after they had just purchased drugs. Instead of going to a dealer who lives in the suburbswhich is lower profile, or meeting somewhere, they go to "the Hood" where the drugs are sold and the cops are watching. They won't know if wher they are is considered "hot"or not. the people who live there do though. So in some instances it becomes obvious. I

[ghost_x3]

However here's something you may not know. Not All "Rap"music is about thuggery and all urban manners of buffoonery. It still boggles my mind that despite the fact that there are a growing group of people in the world who'd like to erase us all, we still gotta get caught up in bs. Divide and conquer.

Read the posts carefully, I said MOST of rap music talks about these kinds of things. When did I ever say that all rap music is bad, unless you think that I've listened to every rap song in the world?:roll:

How does it boggle your mind that you have to get caught up in this bs? Maybe if these guys cared about how some of their words are being such a great influence on some societies and not focusing on how much money they get, or how many girls he has running over them, you wouldn't have to get "caught up" in this bs. It's surprising to me how some of these guys rap about how cool and hard it is to deal drugs in "the hood", and murder anybody that get's in their way, then getting totally defensive when they get blamed for the up rise in crime. I mean, I really don't see how you cannot see the constellation . You have a kid selling drugs on the street, listening to these rappers words, dressing like the rapper, talking like the rapper, and acting like the rapper, but you still defend the point that they aren't doing anything wrong.

Take a look at some of the projects, are they more dominately white or more dominately black? You guy's never explained to me why Black's are always in poverty, and live in the crappier regions of the state. Roaming East made a very good point (also proving mine) that most gangs are comprised of Black's, who obviously commit crime. Why do they do this? Because they have no job, and have nothing better to do so they get into gangs. Why don't they have a job? Because they were too lazy to pay attention in school, and didn't take advantage of the oppurtunities that were handed to them on a silver platter. Why are they too lazy? Because their parent's don't give a rats ass if their child fails school and becomes a drug dealer. Why don't their parent's care? Because their parent's never cared either, and they never learned how to be a parents. That's another thing that pisses me off, and it's not just black people, but the human race in general. Why the hell do you have kids if you don't have the money or knowledge to support them, and make them a beneficial addition to society? Condoms are much cheaper than raising a child.

Blaming poverty for their actions is only a small excuse, because if you look at the root of the problem, it's still their own fault for screwing up. Don't make an excuse, and take responsibility for your own actions. Of course, this maybe not all true, because some of these things maybe not their fault. I go to SF frequently as my grandparents live there, and I always see a high number of homeless (which are an equal number of whites and blacks). Years ago, I felt no remorse whatsoever for these kinds of people, but realized it maybe not their fault. I mean, some of them maybe war veterans, but it is also hard to determine who actually deserves what.

[Durandal]

I am not saying that ALL black people are bad, and cause crime, but I think it is safe to say that the majority of them do, and are the major contributors to crime in the United States.

We have a winner!


To be honest, I think our society would be much better off if we simply ignored this crap and went 'bout our lives rather than bitching about.

That said, you Sir are a racist. You may not agree, and that's cool, but you are.










And ignorant to boot.

But that's cool. I make fun of retards too. p-)

[Lardylarry]

Read the posts carefully, I said MOST of rap music talks about these kinds of things. When did I ever say that all rap music is bad, unless you think that I've listened to every rap song in the world?:roll:

How does it boggle your mind that you have to get caught up in this bs? Maybe if these guys cared about how some of their words are being such a great influence on some societies and not focusing on how much money they get, or how many girls he has running over them, you wouldn't have to get "caught up" in this bs. It's surprising to me how some of these guys rap about how cool and hard it is to deal drugs in "the hood", and murder anybody that get's in their way, then getting totally defensive when they get blamed for the up rise in crime. I mean, I really don't see how you cannot see the constellation . You have a kid selling drugs on the street, listening to these rappers words, dressing like the rapper, talking like the rapper, and acting like the rapper, but you still defend the point that they aren't doing anything wrong.

Take a look at some of the projects, are they more dominately white or more dominately black? You guy's never explained to me why Black's are always in poverty, and live in the crappier regions of the state. Roaming East made a very good point (also proving mine) that most gangs are comprised of Black's, who obviously commit crime. Why do they do this? Because they have no job, and have nothing better to do so they get into gangs. Why don't they have a job? Because they were too lazy to pay attention in school, and didn't take advantage of the oppurtunities that were handed to them on a silver platter. Why are they too lazy? Because their parent's don't give a rats ass if their child fails school and becomes a drug dealer. Why don't their parent's care? Because their parent's never cared either, and they never learned how to be a parents. That's another thing that pisses me off, and it's not just black people, but the human race in general. Why the hell do you have kids if you don't have the money or knowledge to support them, and make them a beneficial addition to society? Condoms are much cheaper than raising a child.

Blaming poverty for their actions is only a small excuse, because if you look at the root of the problem, it's still their own fault for screwing up. Don't make an excuse, and take responsibility for your own actions. Of course, this maybe not all true, because some of these things maybe not their fault. I go to SF frequently as my grandparents live there, and I always see a high number of homeless (which are an equal number of whites and blacks). Years ago, I felt no remorse whatsoever for these kinds of people, but realized it maybe not their fault. I mean, some of them maybe war veterans, but it is also hard to determine who actually deserves what.


what a way to generalize.

so when you have no job, you will get into gangs?
so when you don't have a job, its because you did bad at school?
so if the kid does bad in school, it's always the parents fault?
so if you're poor or don't have much knowledge, you shouldn't have kids?
and so on....

There's so much nonsense to disagree with there... Think it through before you post again, otherwise, it's just gonna get worse.

[Ghostryder]

Alright Mr. Ghost, I'm going to take up your babbling brook piece by piece, but before I start, let me say a few things. I for one, do not think you are a racist. It takes a certain amount of knowledge to be a good racist, you, on the other hand, are obviously just a dumbarse. Actually, that's about all I wanted to say: Onto the post!



Read the posts carefully, I said MOST of rap music talks about these kinds of things. When did I ever say that all rap music is bad, unless you think that I've listened to every rap song in the world?:roll:
I don't care about this part


How does it boggle your mind that you have to get caught up in this bs? Maybe if these guys cared about how some of their words are being such a great influence on some societies and not focusing on how much money they get, or how many girls he has running over them, you wouldn't have to get "caught up" in this bs. It's surprising to me how some of these guys rap about how cool and hard it is to deal drugs in "the hood", and murder anybody that get's in their way, then getting totally defensive when they get blamed for the up rise in crime. I mean, I really don't see how you cannot see the constellation . You have a kid selling drugs on the street, listening to these rappers words, dressing like the rapper, talking like the rapper, and acting like the rapper, but you still defend the point that they aren't doing anything wrong.
Hello! It's music! You're no different from the crochety old politicians who sit around on the hill, figuring the best way to consolidate the soccer mom vote would be to outlaw violent video games, except you actually believe this crap. Of course rappers should be defensive. And furthermore, what's with the kid selling drugs on the street line? I listen to rap all the time, as a matter of fact, most of the music on my itunes is rap, and i have yet to deal drugs or pop caps. Miracle? I think not. as for the constellation, yes, i see it all the time, All I have to do is look up.


Take a look at some of the projects, are they more dominately white or more dominately black? You guy's never explained to me why Black's are always in poverty, and live in the crappier regions of the state. Roaming East made a very good point (also proving mine) that most gangs are comprised of Black's, who obviously commit crime. Why do they do this? Because they have no job, and have nothing better to do so they get into gangs.
You see sir, what you're intentionally forgetting to mention is that it was not more than five generations ago that Black people were considered inhuman by most of the country. You might retort with, "well five generations should be enough time to even things out" But you would once again be ignoring the fact that today, in 2006, the 1st generation of Black men and women who were not legally required to be intentionally segregated in schools, colleges, workplaces, buses, diners, bathrooms, etc. in the southern US are just entering middle age. As for gangs, check your facts, theres enough gangs to fill every color of the rainbow out there.


Why don't they have a job? Because they were too lazy to pay attention in school, and didn't take advantage of the oppurtunities that were handed to them on a silver platter. Why are they too lazy? Because their parent's don't give a rats ass if their child fails school and becomes a drug dealer. Why don't their parent's care? Because their parent's never cared either, and they never learned how to be a parents.
This is the only truly racist part of your post, congrats dumbarse.


That's another thing that pisses me off, and it's not just black people, but the human race in general. Why the hell do you have kids if you don't have the money or knowledge to support them, and make them a beneficial addition to society? Condoms are much cheaper than raising a child.

Blaming poverty for their actions is only a small excuse, because if you look at the root of the problem, it's still their own fault for screwing up. Don't make an excuse, and take responsibility for your own actions. Of course, this maybe not all true, because some of these things maybe not their fault. I go to SF frequently as my grandparents live there, and I always see a high number of homeless (which are an equal number of whites and blacks). Years ago, I felt no remorse whatsoever for these kinds of people, but realized it maybe not their fault. I mean, some of them maybe war veterans, but it is also hard to determine who actually deserves what.

Nobody deserves what they get, the world sucks, and so do you.

[ghost_x3]

Alright Mr. Ghost, I'm going to take up your babbling brook piece by piece, but before I start, let me say a few things. I for one, do not think you are a racist. It takes a certain amount of knowledge to be a good racist, you, on the other hand, are obviously just a dumbarse. Actually, that's about all I wanted to say: Onto the post!



I don't care about this part


Hello! It's music! You're no different from the crochety old politicians who sit around on the hill, figuring the best way to consolidate the soccer mom vote would be to outlaw violent video games, except you actually believe this crap. Of course rappers should be defensive. And furthermore, what's with the kid selling drugs on the street line? I listen to rap all the time, as a matter of fact, most of the music on my itunes is rap, and i have yet to deal drugs or pop caps. Miracle? I think not. as for the constellation, yes, i see it all the time, All I have to do is look up.


You see sir, what you're intentionally forgetting to mention is that it was not more than five generations ago that Black people were considered inhuman by most of the country. You might retort with, "well five generations should be enough time to even things out" But you would once again be ignoring the fact that today, in 2006, the 1st generation of Black men and women who were not legally required to be intentionally segregated in schools, colleges, workplaces, buses, diners, bathrooms, etc. in the southern US are just entering middle age. As for gangs, check your facts, theres enough gangs to fill every color of the rainbow out there.


This is the only truly racist part of your post, congrats dumbarse.


Nobody deserves what they get, the world sucks, and so do you.

When did I say if you listen to rap music, that you automatically do what they say? I said rap music has a great deal of influence on alot of kids that listen to it. That may not necessarily mean that it will change you or I, but it will change a lot of how other kids think.

Are you blind? I said MOST gangs are comprised of Black's. You yourself said you listen to rap music right? Compare the number of rap/hip-hop songs to the number of non rap/hip-hop songs that talk about gangs, and you'll see that rap/hip-hop comes out on top in the end. Tupac Shakur or whatever the hell his ape name was, is still today one of the most popular and liked rappers. Oh, and what did he talk about? Gee whiz, GANGS. Look up a pic of him in google, showing off his stupid ass west side gang signs. Your telling me kids that bow down before him don't follow what he says? How many rock bands freakin shoot at each other in rivalry??

How can you say nobody deserves what they get? The world sucks? What are you an emo bitch?

If I were a racist, I would say that ALL black's are ignorant, ALL black's commit crime, ALL black's do drugs. Did I ever say that? No. I just said that a big number of them do, more than any race in the world. How do I know this? It's called research, and you are simply speaking out of your ass, why don't you back up what you say with some facts?

I mean, why do you think their are such a low number of Black's that actually go to college, or a college for one? Hey, it maybe money, but do you seriously think that the large population of black's are geniuses, and just cant afford to go to UC Berkely?

http://www.jbhe.com/features/53_SAT.html

" Not only are African-American scores on the SAT far below the scores of whites and Asian Americans, but they also trail the scores of every other major ethnic group in the United States including students of Puerto Rican and Mexican backgrounds. In fact, few people realize that American Indian and Alaska Native students on average score 118 points higher than the average score of black students. On average, Asian American students score 225 points, or 19 percent, higher than African Americans."

[Ghostryder]

When did I say if you listen to rap music, that you automatically do what they say? I said rap music has a great deal of influence on alot of kids that listen to it. That may not necessarily mean that it will change you or I, but it will change a lot of how other kids think.

Are you blind? I said MOST gangs are comprised of Black's. You yourself said you listen to rap music right? Compare the number of rap/hip-hop songs to the number of non rap/hip-hop songs that talk about gangs, and you'll see that rap/hip-hop comes out on top in the end. Tupac Shakur or whatever the hell his ape name was, is still today one of the most popular and liked rappers. Oh, and what did he talk about? Gee whiz, GANGS. Look up a pic of him in google, showing off his stupid ass west side gang signs. Your telling me kids that bow down before him don't follow what he says? How many rock bands freakin shoot at each other in rivalry??

How can you say nobody deserves what they get? The world sucks? What are you an emo bitch?

If I were a racist, I would say that ALL black's are ignorant, ALL black's commit crime, ALL black's do drugs. Did I ever say that? No. I just said that a big number of them do, more than any race in the world. How do I know this? It's called research, and you are simply speaking out of your ass, why don't you back up what you say with some facts?

I mean, why do you think their are such a low number of Black's that actually go to college, or a college for one? Hey, it maybe money, but do you seriously think that the large population of black's are geniuses, and just cant afford to go to UC Berkely?

http://www.jbhe.com/features/53_SAT.html

" Not only are African-American scores on the SAT far below the scores of whites and Asian Americans, but they also trail the scores of every other major ethnic group in the United States including students of Puerto Rican and Mexican backgrounds. In fact, few people realize that American Indian and Alaska Native students on average score 118 points higher than the average score of black students. On average, Asian American students score 225 points, or 19 percent, higher than African Americans."

I didn't even read your post, but I know you're still a dumbarse! Haha!

[ghost_x3]

lol, nice.

[California Joe]

I know that what I say will offend people, but my point is that I really don't care if your offended by it; even though what I say is to express my true beliefs, and not just said to purposely piss people off. In my opinion, I don't think it's racist. If I were a racist, I would say that all black's are criminals, which is obviously not true and ignorant. Bottom line, Black's are most feared/hated against in the United States due to their bad reputation of harming society. Just look at the three links I gave you, the facts are all there.


Oh, I'm sorry, maybe I wasn't clear enough. Around here you'd better f*cking care if I'm offended, because if I am you're gone. You are a racist and I don't really give a sh*t what your opinions on sociology and rap music are. Now try winding your neck in and have an infraction.

[hood]

Tupac Shakur or whatever the hell his ape name was

ding ding ding! I think you just nullified yourself there. Rule #37 of stormfront.org clearly states that you can't invalidate your message by dropping little words here and there that clearly state you're a racist even while claiming that you're not. You need to be far more subtle than that if you're going to succeed.

[Ghostryder]

lol, nice.

Who's laughing now, ****er?

[pinoiryder3]

Funny how only about 1 of you provide factual support while the rest of you speak out of your asses. OPEN YOUR EYES, THE FU CKI NG FACTS ARE RIGHT THERE. Ghostryder: Uhh... I'm still laughing:

[LaoSexMachine]

;67iryhkhrkhj

What happen to the pics?

[pinoiryder3]

Sorry, technical difficulties. Hey Ezekiel25:17, is that your dad on the first pic? hahahahaha

[LaoSexMachine]

[quote=pinoiryder3;2168556]Funny how only about 1 of you provide factual support while the rest of you speak out of your asses. OPEN YOUR EYES, THE FU CKI NG FACTS ARE RIGHT THERE. Ghostryder: Uhh... I'm still laughing:
Nice meeting you asshole. Why did you get a new account?

[LaoSexMachine]

Sorry, technical difficulties. Hey Ezekiel25:17, is that your dad on the first pic? hahahahaha

Oh how you know. Heheheheheh. People like you are a joke.

[D-gin]

Sorry, technical difficulties. Hey Ezekiel25:17, is that your dad on the first pic? hahahahaha

Well your not long for this board, again.......Asshole.

[Ghostryder]

Hehe, he sure bounced back pretty quick.

Hmm, though i must say both his user names have something to do with mine. Political statement?

[remo williams]

Read the posts carefully, I said MOST of rap music talks about these kinds of things. When did I ever say that all rap music is bad, unless you think that I've listened to every rap song in the world?:roll:

How does it boggle your mind that you have to get caught up in this bs? Maybe if these guys cared about how some of their words are being such a great influence on some societies and not focusing on how much money they get, or how many girls he has running over them, you wouldn't have to get "caught up" in this bs. It's surprising to me how some of these guys rap about how cool and hard it is to deal drugs in "the hood", and murder anybody that get's in their way, then getting totally defensive when they get blamed for the up rise in crime. I mean, I really don't see how you cannot see the constellation . You have a kid selling drugs on the street, listening to these rappers words, dressing like the rapper, talking like the rapper, and acting like the rapper, but you still defend the point that they aren't doing anything wrong.

Take a look at some of the projects, are they more dominately white or more dominately black? You guy's never explained to me why Black's are always in poverty, and live in the crappier regions of the state. Roaming East made a very good point (also proving mine) that most gangs are comprised of Black's, who obviously commit crime. Why do they do this? Because they have no job, and have nothing better to do so they get into gangs. Why don't they have a job? Because they were too lazy to pay attention in school, and didn't take advantage of the oppurtunities that were handed to them on a silver platter. Why are they too lazy? Because their parent's don't give a rats ass if their child fails school and becomes a drug dealer. Why don't their parent's care? Because their parent's never cared either, and they never learned how to be a parents. That's another thing that pisses me off, and it's not just black people, but the human race in general. Why the hell do you have kids if you don't have the money or knowledge to support them, and make them a beneficial addition to society? Condoms are much cheaper than raising a child.

Blaming poverty for their actions is only a small excuse, because if you look at the root of the problem, it's still their own fault for screwing up. Don't make an excuse, and take responsibility for your own actions. Of course, this maybe not all true, because some of these things maybe not their fault. I go to SF frequently as my grandparents live there, and I always see a high number of homeless (which are an equal number of whites and blacks). Years ago, I felt no remorse whatsoever for these kinds of people, but realized it maybe not their fault. I mean, some of them maybe war veterans, but it is also hard to determine who actually deserves what.



Apparently your post has skylined you to certain members of the forum. While warranted, I see that your view of what "blacks" are and aren't responsible for, and what they so and don't do are somewhat ignorant. Here's why..People get into crime for many resons. Shyte happens, bad choices, lack of guidence etc. Sometimes it's beciuse it pays the bills and having a limited point of view (i.e this is a way out) aggravates the issue. People are responsible for what they do and chose, but at the same time , it's not a black and white world. Sometimes the wrong thing is done for what is considered, a right reason.

Rap music that glorifies the negative is what makes the record companies money. It's like buying the paper. The worst events make front page, and news is sensationalized because it sells. Negativity sells, and certain people stand to make a lot of money from it. That was my main point, and no you don't have to have listened to every "rap" song to know it's all bad or not. Your statement was a pretty weak generalization which leads me to believe you've never lived like some of those who you believe are lazy and are natural born criminals. Have you gone hungry a night in your life? Been beaten senseless for nothing by a mother who's too young to have you and too dumb or high to know how to raise you? You were most likely taken care of very well, like all kids should be. but If you didn't have that who would you be? With parents you can learn hard lessons instead of going through them. It's how you learn to make decisions, and that there are consequences from them. Without them, we have the generation we have now. This isn't something that's limited to just minorities. Look around the world. People need the same basic things to develop into decent, productive human beings no matter what the race.

As far as how we get caught up in the BS, I was refferring to everyone in general, as we are very much still divided as a country, as people plot and desire to kill all of us. Despite this we still have those who wish to discriminate because they can, and those who will be the subject of it.

[I'mOnlyHalfPolish]

Apparently your post has skylined you to certain members of the forum. While warranted, I see that your view of what "blacks" are and aren't responsible for, and what they so and don't do are somewhat ignorant. Here's why..People get into crime for many resons. Shyte happens, bad choices, lack of guidence etc. Sometimes it's beciuse it pays the bills and having a limited point of view (i.e this is a way out) aggravates the issue. People are responsible for what they do and chose, but at the same time , it's not a black and white world. Sometimes the wrong thing is done for what is considered, a right reason.

Rap music that glorifies the negative is what makes the record companies money. It's like buying the paper. The worst events make front page, and news is sensationalized because it sells. Negativity sells, and certain people stand to make a lot of money from it. That was my main point, and no you don't have to have listened to every "rap" song to know it's all bad or not. Your statement was a pretty weak generalization which leads me to believe you've never lived like some of those who you believe are lazy and are natural born criminals. Have you gone hungry a night in your life? Been beaten senseless for nothing by a mother who's too young to have you and too dumb or high to know how to raise you? You were most likely taken care of very well, like all kids should be. but If you didn't have that who would you be? With parents you can learn hard lessons instead of going through them. It's how you learn to make decisions, and that there are consequences from them. Without them, we have the generation we have now. This isn't something that's limited to just minorities. Look around the world. People need the same basic things to develop into decent, productive human beings no matter what the race.

As far as how we get caught up in the BS, I was refferring to everyone in general, as we are very much still divided as a country, as people plot and desire to kill all of us. Despite this we still have those who wish to discriminate because they can, and those who will be the subject of it.

how apologetic of you...lemme see what you have to say when you're on the recieving end of a violent crime...

[meredith]

how apologetic of you...lemme see what you have to say when you're on the recieving end of a violent crime...


well you weren't very apologetic when your hog went off in my face!woot