Iran: Israel 'will end like USSR'

[Clearday-TRForce]

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has told a conference in Tehran questioning the Holocaust that Israel's days are numbered.
"Just as the USSR disappeared, soon the Zionist regime will disappear," he said to the applause of the participants.

The two-day conference provoked widespread international outrage.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel condemned the forum and British Prime Minister Tony Blair called it "shocking beyond belief".

Iran said it wanted to debate what it called taboos surrounding the Holocaust.

Some six million Jews were murdered by the Nazi regime during World War II.

The BBC's Frances Harrison in Tehran said the conference was like a roll call of the world's most infamous Holocaust deniers - all delighted that Iran had given them the oxygen of publicity.

'Free forum'

"The trend for the existence of the Zionist regime is downwards and this is what God has promised and what all nations want," President Ahmadinejad said.

"Whether the Holocaust occurred or did not or whether it had vast dimensions or not, it has become a pretext to create a base for aggression and threats for the countries of the region," he said.

Mr Ahmadinejad urged the participants - including ultra-Orthodox Jews who say the creation of Israel was an abomination - to examine Holocaust in more detail.

"Iran is your home and is the home of all freedom seekers of the world. Here you can express your views and exchange opinions in a friendly, brotherly and free atmosphere," he said.

Iran, which is home to 25,000 Jews, says 67 researchers from 30 countries attended the meeting.

Participants included a number of well-known "revisionist" Western academics.

Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki said on Monday the aim of the conference was "not to deny or confirm the Holocaust", but "to create an opportunity for thinkers who cannot express their views freely".

In a number of European countries - including Germany, Austria and France - it is illegal to deny the Holocaust. An Austrian court jailed Briton David Irving for three years on charges of Holocaust denial.

'Unacceptable character'

In London, Mr Blair called the Holocaust conference "shocking beyond belief".

He described Iran as a "major strategic threat" to the Middle East.

In Berlin, Ms Merkel - flanked by visiting Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert - said: "We reject in the strongest terms conferences held in Iran on the supposed non-existence of the Holocaust.

"Germany will never accept this and will use all possibilities at its disposal to oppose it."

Mr Olmert said the conference showed the "unacceptable character" of the Iranian government and the "danger" it poses for the West.

Mr Ahmadinejad has repeatedly downplayed the extent of the Holocaust, describing it as a myth used to justify the existence of Israel and oppression of the Palestinians. He has called for an end to the Israeli state.

Many Iranians must be wondering why they have the right to deny the Holocaust with impunity, but not to question their own leaders without risking jail, our correspondent says.

In recent months, newspapers have been closed, journalists jailed and students penalised for engaging in any sort of political activity in Iran.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6173941.stm



another Ahmadinejad propoganda? :)


best wishes,
CDTRF

[XShipRider]

The USSR transformed, it did not disappear. The USSR's economic system
disappeared, the republic fractured but the country is still viable. His
analogy is way off base. Russia itself re-emerged in the transformation
process.

I thought this guy was supposed to be some sort of professor or something
akin. He doesn't sound all that intelligent with such statements.

[eugenlitwin]

his reflections has a real ground

The majority of the population speaks one of the Iranian languages (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_languages), including the official language, Persian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_language) (Farsi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farsi)). The main ethnic groups are Persians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persians) (51%), Azeris (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azeris) (24%), Gilaki and Mazandarani (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilaki_and_Mazandarani) (8%), Kurds (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurds) (7%), Arabs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabs) (3%), Baluchi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baloch) (2%), Lurs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorestan) (2%), Turkmens (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkmen_people) (2%), Qashqai (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qashqai), Armenians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenians), Persian Jews (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_Jews), Georgians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgians), Assyrians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assyrian_people), Circassians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circassians), Tats (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tats), Pashtuns (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pashtuns) and others (1%).[33] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran#_note-ciaa#_note-ciaa)

[Heinemann]

"Iran is your home and is the home of all freedom seekers of the world. Here you can express your views and exchange opinions in a friendly, brotherly and free atmosphere,"

So I can go to Tehran and express my view's on how silly Islam is?

[Mr. Nielsen]

The USSR transformed, it did not disappear. The USSR's economic system
disappeared, the republic fractured but the country is still viable. His
analogy is way off base. Russia itself re-emerged in the transformation
process.
The soviet communist political system disappeared too. And the national states of russia and the states that formed the USSR reappeared.

So I suppose the iranian presidents analogy is that the israeli political system that makes israel an exclusive jewish state will disappear.

And that a binational state or something will appear instead of the state of israel, since there wasn't any state, jewish or arab, before that could reappear.

[Saranof]

Does anyone actually care about what that man says anymore? The only people who think "hey, he might have a point" are the ones who belive Israel should be whiped out in the first place

[gandon]

USSR collapsed because of crappy economic system. I think Israel is doing very good financially considering technology sales and aid from USA.

[Createdeemcee]

USSR collapsed because of crappy economic system. I think Israel is doing very good financially considering technology sales and aid from USA.


And the fact that they Operate so many Banks in the world, run hollywood, Florida. And have there own Arm's Trade

USSR was bound to fail since its citizens were so harshly treated for years Since the Czar's. Lets not forget the economic losses from the Afghan war as well.

[Flamming_Python]

Now Ahmadinejad has really done it...

He has pissed off the Russia STRONG! crew :D

[Createdeemcee]

Now Ahmadinejad has really done it...

He has pissed off the Russia STRONG! crew :grin:


Hopefully Putin will stop selling him nuke tech after that statement. I dont know if it was worth stimulating the russian economy for a few bil in selling nuke tech. I think Putins a great man, but his picture of the big world out there is dim. Especially after dealing with extreme Islam in his own country. Doesnt he know he fueling the fire.

[American Patriot]

there's gotta be an Iranian Stauffenberg out there somewhere cause the World doesn't have the balls

[Flamming_Python]

Hopefully Putin will stop selling him nuke tech after that statement. I dont know if it was worth stimulating the russian economy for a few bil in selling nuke tech. I think Putins a great man, but his picture of the big world out there is dim. Especially after dealing with extreme Islam in his own country. Doesnt he know he fueling the fire.

Well Iran and the USSR weren't exactly allies. More like enemies AFAIK, so that sort of statement is no surprise. Putin isn't a great fan of the USSR himself, so I doubt he'll be offended.

The nuclear reactor can't really be used for a nuclear weapons program. After all, the depleted fuel is shipped back to Russia after use, and is not given to Iran.

Ahmedimajad talks big. But there is a big difference between what politicians say, and what they do. Yes he could turn out to be another 'Hitler', but by boxing him into a corner and telling him, "Do it our way or we destroy you", it may only increase the chances of a conflict and help rally his population behind him.

I don't think that even Ahmedimajad is stupid enough to actually launch nukes at Israel, at the cost of Israel destroying the whole muslim world back. Rather, it could be a way for him to solidify power among the radicals, and emerge as a leader for Shia Islam at the very least. But of course, Iran developing nukes is a very risky prospect, no matter what legitimate reasons may exist for that country, and thus everything should be done in order to prevent such an occurance.

However, the difference lies in just how to prevent such an occurance. One route is via sanctions. The other route, is by what Russian diplomats are outlining.

Having a pragmatic policy with him, is right now the only choice. After all, he hasn't actually "Done" anything yet apart from making speeches. The alternative, is of course to wage war with him. Putin may be hoping that by developing ties Iran, he might have some leverage into Iran's affairs. Most likely, the Russian government is interested in Iran's natural resource supplies, and possibly making an agreement for some sort of energy bloc if you will. An Iran somewhat in Russia's sphere of influence, would of course be worse for America than an Iran in America's sphere of influence (unrealistic anyway at this point I would think). But would still be a lot better for America and Israel, than Iran having it's OWN sphere of influence.

Of course this is just an interpretation, and the course Russia is pursuing may turn out to be foolish. I myself withold judgement, as I possess too few of the facts. But at this stage, no-one really knows what they're doing in regards to Iran anyway.

[sir-chimp]

So Regan is coming back from the grave?

sweet

[Createdeemcee]

I don't think that even Ahmedimajad is stupid enough to actually launch nukes at Israel, at the cost of Israel destroying the whole muslim world back. Rather, it could be a way for him to solidify power among the radicals, and emerge as a leader for Shia Islam at the very least. But of course, Iran developing nukes is a very risky prospect, no matter what legitimate reasons may exist for that country, and thus everything should be done in order to prevent such an occurance.



Anyone who is stupid enough to say it may have the balls to do it and should be taken very seriously. That whole meeting needs to be taken by the world seriously. This guy meets brutal dictators everyday. You know the saying birds of a feather stick together. Thats whats going on bro. If you think that IRAN wouldnt attempt to build nukes send me a dime bag of the $hit you smoke.

[Mr. JOSHUA]

Ahmedimajad talks big. But there is a big difference between what politicians say, and what they do. Yes he could turn out to be another 'Hitler', but by boxing him into a corner and telling him, "Do it our way or we destroy you", it may only increase the chances of a conflict and help rally his population behind him.

I don't think that even Ahmedimajad is stupid enough to actually launch nukes at Israel, at the cost of Israel destroying the whole muslim world back. Rather, it could be a way for him to solidify power among the radicals, and emerge as a leader for Shia Islam at the very least. But of course, Iran developing nukes is a very risky prospect, no matter what legitimate reasons may exist for that country, and thus everything should be done in order to prevent such an occurance.

Hitler didn't become Hitler because we boxed him in, he became the Hitler we know because we did the exact opposite of boxing him in and threatning him. He felt no repricussions for doing what he did, so he kept going and going until America was finally drawn in and stopped him.

I do think Amjadinijead is stupid enough to launch a nuke, some have said that he has a shahid mentality and he has repeatedly made the statment, "I would glady sacrifice half of Iran if it resulted in the total destruction of Israel.

Talking to this man will do nothing.

I compare it to talking to your teenage kid and telling them that they cannot go to that party their friends are having. Your kid gets pissed off, you get pissed off.

You go to check up on them in their room and there gone.

They sat there and put up with your sh*t, telling you what you wanted to hear because they already knew what they were gonna do, when they were gonna do it and how they were gonna convince you they weren't gonna do it.

He's gonna do it anyway, especially if he feels that he's a shahid.

[Flamming_Python]

Anyone who is stupid enough to say it may have the balls to do it and should be taken very seriously. That whole meeting needs to be taken by the world seriously. This guy meets brutal dictators everyday. You know the saying birds of a feather stick together. Thats whats going on bro. If you think that IRAN wouldnt attempt to build nukes send me a dime bag of the $hit you smoke.

I never said that Iran will not attempt to build nukes. I said I don't think it'll actually use them, as the very possession of these nukes will be enough to achieve certain political objectives, and give it the freedom to do what it wants and start it's own sphere of influence in the Middle East, without the prospect of being attacked. Launching the nukes, and suffering the desruction of their entire country back, would be very unproductive.

Read my paragraph again BTW. I said that Iranian possession of nukes is still a very risky and de-stabilising prospect, and it should be strongly discouraged from that goal.

In terms of diplomacy, it should be remembered that North Korea, for example was quite willing to negotiate around the turn of this century and pursue a more open policy towards the West. But various political blunders and hardening of stances towards the country by the new neo-conservative influenced government of America, served to box NK into a corner, and ended up de-stabilising the situation there even further. There are several good books on the subject, but I can't recall their names unfortunetly.

[Mr. JOSHUA]

Read my post Flamming Python

[Kaplanr]

And the fact that they Operate so many Banks in the world, run hollywood, Florida. And have there own Arm's Trade

USSR was bound to fail since its citizens were so harshly treated for years Since the Czar's. Lets not forget the economic losses from the Afghan war as well.

Media, don't forget we control the media too, and we invented and diabolically spread AIDS.

Gotta go, lots of wells to poison before dinner.

[WKD]

Media, don't forget we control the media too, and we invented and diabolically spread AIDS.

Gotta go, lots of wells to poison before dinner.

Yeah, and I know one of you pricks has my car keys, give them back already.

[Createdeemcee]

buwahahaha!

[Mr.Flint]

Yeah, and I know one of you pricks has my car keys, give them back already.
No can do, ive sold them for an exuberant amount money to a poor black man.




rofl

[Saranof]

He felt no repricussions for doing what he did, so he kept going and going until America was finally drawn in and stopped him.



Yeah, I mean, it's not like any other countries helped out back in WW2. Glad you guys did it singlehandedly

[Lazy Lob]

This has more to do with the Soviet “defeat” in A-Stan. The Mohamedans believe they did it on their tod. He’s just drawing parallels. Unsubstantiated, but parallels none the less. At best it’s pathetic. At worst … he should stop stroking his cherub’s nuts.

[WKD]

No can do, ive sold them for an exuberant amount money to a poor black man.




rofl

roflroflrofl

So Birth of a Nation was right! Oh, the horror!