Take this quiz to see your stance on Israel/palestine

[born_to_kill]

http://www.selectsmart.com/FREE/select.php?client=mideast


<Li>My #1 result for the SelectSmart.com selector, <a href="http://www.selectsmart.com/FREE/select.php?client=mideast">Middle East Political Opinion Selector</A>, is Israel Fanatic Settler<P>

[Dennis G]

International mediator

[Srachka to Perdachka]

Israeli leftist / peace-oriented

[MaDuce]

I got #1 average isreali. I could imagine some in this forum that would get suicide bomber.

[mustamato]

Israeli leftist / peace-oriented

[Haiw]

Israeli leftist / peace-oriented

[UkrainianAmerican]

average israeli.
O and it seems to be worded in a pro-palestinian manner.

[UkrainianAmerican]

Israeli leftist / peace-oriented
Israeli left is f*cking suicidal. :lol:

[Uncle Sam]

International mediator...Politics, here I come...

[Falco]

Average Israeli

[Ratamacue]

Average Israeli.

[American Patriot]

Israeli far right-wing

Cool.. Makes me feel like I belong.

[mustamato]

Israeli leftist / peace-oriented
Israeli left is f*cking suicidal. :lol:

Average Israeli is homicidal.

http://www.mootrealm.com/images/chomsky/white/large/chomskyspeech.gif

[UkrainianAmerican]

Israeli leftist / peace-oriented
Israeli left is f*cking suicidal. :lol:

Average Israeli is homicidal.

http://www.mootrealm.com/images/chomsky/white/large/chomskyspeech.gif
The quote is ok, but the AUTHOR?!?!?!
Chomsky....bwahahahhahahaha.

[to free the oppressed]

"Palestinian Intifada supporter"
Hell I'll no damn palestian **** I'm not that dirty. And I'm Mexican and proud of it.

[American Patriot]

Actually I don't care about either side but I recognize Israel's right to defend itself. I guess that makes me a far-right Israeli rofl

[MaDuce]

What will HELEX get the "You are Yasser Arafat" rank

[SeanAshi]

Average Israeli :P

[DE_Six]

International mediator

[Fintin]

im a peaceful :)

[Vance]

Average Isreali

[catalyst]

average Palestinian - i guess that shows i see both sides of the story!

:roll:

[UkrainianAmerican]

average Palestinian - i guess that shows i see both sides of the story!

:roll:
No that means, you support suicide bombing. :|

[SEALInTheMaking]

Average Israeli


Average Israeli is homicidal.
Id rather be homocidal then dead.

[SeanAshi]

"You are Yasser Arafat" rankArik!

[Red]

Average Israeli

[IDFM203]

Just two quick observations…. ;)


average israeli.
O and it seems to be worded in a pro-palestinian manner. gee after a quick glance here it took me one second to figure that out ;)

I mean for example when one gets that he is “Israeli leftist” it is immediately followed right next to it where it says peace oriented, and it has the same thing for “Palestinian moderate” but that is it and isn’t by anyone else....I mean there is no option like “Israeli rightist/peace oriented” or "averge Israeli/peace oriented" etc.., its as if for the author of the test, the only people that want peace is on the left and Palestinian moderates :roll:

Anyways there is more but that was the quick obvious one as to how biased to one (left) POV this was!!

Israeli leftist / peace-orientedWell all I can say is that if you are indeed that (which I find hard to believe that your result wasn’t pali’ homicide bomber or intifada supporter or extreme leftist, well on that they don’t even have that option etc..) after you gave the answers like the same like how you post here (did you?) well then to me you further prove how delusional and suicidal the Israeli left is if they mirror your views or both of the views are the same.

Shalom :D

[ExtraT]

I got "Israel Fanatic Settler" :)

This quiz is Completely biased. What the f*ck is this question:


17. Should Arab nations do more to support the Palestinians by employing peaceful measures only (boycotts, diplomatic pressure, etc.)?

And also, who are these "palestinians" they keep blabbering about? rofl

[mocking_loudly_died]

Israeli leftist / peace-oriented

I'm a hippie, f*cking hell.

[Ichhabe]

Found the test both stupid and un-balanced. But I took it: Average Israeli.
Now! Where is my pass port???

[gilgoul]

http://www.selectsmart.com/FREE/select.php?client=mideast


lol i`m a International mediator

[gilgoul]

Israeli leftist / peace-oriented
Israeli left is f*cking suicidal. :lol:

Average Israeli is homicidal.

http://www.mootrealm.com/images/chomsky/white/large/chomskyspeech.gif

freedom of speech doesn`t mean imposing to my retines the view of the name of Noam Chomsky (arrghh), I despise the bastard to a very deep point

[ShotOver]

Average Israeli

:P

[duck]

Answered sincerely.

Results:

#1 International mediator

#2 Average Israeli

#3 Israeli far right-wing

#4 Israeli leftist / peace-oriented

#5 Palestinian moderate / peace-oriented

#6 Average Palestinian

#7 Israel Fanatic Settler

#8 Palestinian Intifada supporter

#9 Palestinian suicide bomber

[Catch22]

Average Israeli ;)

[citizen-k]

Average Israeli

[caleb]

Palestinian suicide bomber



flame me :P

[cut]

International Mediator :D

[RS_Leo1A5]

International mediator

[Kriz]

Palestinian moderate / peace-oriented

[AirZone]

I'm a fanatic settler... rofl but yeah its basied !

i cant be a fanatic if i agree to give east jerusalem and to whitdraw from the west bank, yeuda&somron :bash: :roll:

[Flagg]

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[Flagg]

1.) Average Israeli

2.) Israeli Far-Right Wing


huh?!?

Is it possible to REALLY want peace, but at the same time liquidate a couple of naughty people?

If so.....I think that's me

Now I'm really confused :roll:

[weedman]

Palestinian moderate / peace-oriented

[mocking_loudly_died]

I'm a fanatic settler... rofl but yeah its basied !

i cant be a fanatic if i agree to give east jerusalem and to whitdraw from the west bank, yeuda&somron :bash: :roll:

Don't worry according to the test im a peace-nik tree hugger; my bongos are going to stop your settlements.

[caspermeister]

Israeli far right-wing

[Kitsune]

#1 International mediator

#2 Israeli leftist / peace-oriented

#3 Palestinian moderate / peace-oriented

#4 Average Israeli

#5 Average Palestinian

#6 Israeli far right-wing

#7 Palestinian Intifada supporter

#8 Palestinian suicide bomber

#9 Israel Fanatic Settler

[martinexsquaddie]

international meditator
so ok give me a couple of armoured divisions and a brigade of helicopters
and some offshore naval assets and you murderous cretins will sit down and work something else or else :(

[UkrainianAmerican]

international meditator
so ok give me a couple of armoured divisions and a brigade of helicopters
and some offshore naval assets and you murderous cretins will sit down and work something else or else :(
I dont think, that will be enough of a force. :P

[UkrainianAmerican]

I'm a fanatic settler... rofl but yeah its basied !

i cant be a fanatic if i agree to give east jerusalem and to whitdraw from the west bank, yeuda&somron :bash: :roll:

Don't worry according to the test im a peace-nik tree hugger; my bongos are going to stop your settlements.
What?!
You came off pretty conservative in your views before.
But...this....means.....WARRRR!
(j/k :hug: )

[Desertpilot]

Looks like DP's a Israel Fanatic Settler
;)

[khukuri]

not surprised

Average Palestinian

[Truthsayer]

Israeli leftist / peace-oriented

[UkrainianAmerican]

Israeli leftist / peace-oriented
As I said, israeli left is suicidal.

[Truthsayer]

"ok"

[StarvingStudent47]

Don't worry according to the test im a peace-nik tree hugger; my bongos are going to stop your settlements.

If peacenik tree huggers actually looked like this...
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/images/avatars/1492661170404918780196e.jpg
...then I'd become a Phish fanboy in a heartbeat. Just sayin'.

[HELEX]

Rankings:

#1: Israeli leftist / peace-oriented

#2: Average Palestinian
#3: Palestinian moderate / peace-oriented
#4: Palestinian suicide bomber
#5: Palestinian Intifada supporter
#6: Average Israeli
#7: International mediator
#8: Israeli far right-wing
#9: Israel Fanatic Settler

[Elmo]

Israeli leftist / peace-oriented

[el borracho]

palestinian moderate/peace oriented

hmmm...guess you learn something new every day.

[ExtraT]

I'm a fanatic settler... rofl


Seems like we are the only two for now.

[Brozozo]

Fanatic Settler!

Let me at 'em! Let me at 'em! :fork:

[percell_086]

fanatic settler here!

percell

[Steve Railsback]

Palestinian moderate / peace-oriented

:oops:

[usa320]

Average israeli.

I think ducimus will score a 9.

:roll:

[UkrainianAmerican]

As I said Israeli leftwingers, would be the first in line to the gaschamber. :(

[Gringo]

Palestinian Moderate/Peace-Orientated

[big80a2]

#9 Europian


well oke.... Average Israeli

[Sabre]

Average Palistinian

These questions were pointless and typically guided:

"Should Israel seperate completely and unilaterally from The West Bank and Gaza, evacuating settlements, and erecting a permanent and closed border?"

What if I agree with part but not all of that statement? I have to say NO so that the the part I disagree with isn't registered. Typical filthy political trick, that is. Just like 'Tagging-on' an unpopular motion to a moderately poular bill...do you reject the good for the bad, or accept that you got some of what you wanted? Seperate the issues please.

Some were very vague, especially the 'are so-and-so responsible for the violence?" questions. You can't lump all palistinians together with the suicide bombers.

Also:

"If you were in the position of the Palestinians, would you be willing to give your life for the cause?"

No, but if someone was firing tank main armaments into buildings where the local fire brigade are fighting the flames, or if they were firing HMGs into the ground in front of civvies, wounding some of them; then I would defend them if I could. I wouldn't need to give my life because I'm too good a f*cking soldier! ;)

[Mark_Aspen]

:lol: :lol: No. 1 was Int'l Mediator. But I ran the gamut from Fanatic Settler to Palestinian Moderate.

Sabre is right, the questions were poorly asked, most surveys are. They tend to prove the axiom about understanding someone's position based on the questions theyask.

[-Max2-]

Average Israeli.

[MaDuce]

Average israeli.

I think ducimus will score a 9.

:roll:
Whats that suicide bomber?

[UkrainianAmerican]

Hmm, a lot more ppl here are "average israeli" then I thought.
Thats cool. woot

[Marmot1]

#1 avarage palestinian woot

[UkrainianAmerican]

#1 avarage palestinian woot
What a surprise.

[Marmot1]

#1 avarage palestinian woot
What a surprise.
Hint to you USCCCP avarage =/= extremist.....


Is there a quiz about chechenya???

[UkrainianAmerican]

#1 avarage palestinian woot
What a surprise.
Hint to you USCCCP avarage =/= extremist.....


Is there a quiz about chechenya???
Yeah, moderate palestinian supports suicide bombings, but without rat poison or HIV.

[Marmot1]

#1 avarage palestinian woot
What a surprise.
Hint to you USCCCP avarage =/= extremist.....


Is there a quiz about chechenya???
Yeah, moderate palestinian supports suicide bombings, but without rat poison or HIV.

And avarage israeli support home demolition and rocket atacks in which also civilians die...

[MaDuce]

#1 avarage palestinian woot
What a surprise.
Hint to you USCCCP avarage =/= extremist.....


Is there a quiz about chechenya???
Yeah, moderate palestinian supports suicide bombings, but without rat poison or HIV.

And avarage israeli support home demolition and rocket atacks in which also civilians die...
But was never intended to kill civilians

[Marmot1]

#1 avarage palestinian woot
What a surprise.
Hint to you USCCCP avarage =/= extremist.....


Is there a quiz about chechenya???
Yeah, moderate palestinian supports suicide bombings, but without rat poison or HIV.

And avarage israeli support home demolition and rocket atacks in which also civilians die...
But was never intended to kill civilians

If you fire rocket on the crowded street there must be civilan casaulties so don't tell me that it was unintended

For USCCCP My answers...

1. Do either Israel or the Palestinians (either one, but not both) have the exclusive and inaliable right to the land (Israel/Palestine)?
No
2. Is Israel justified in killing suspected Palestinian terrorists or activists in the West Bank and Gaza?
No
3. Should Israel withdraw unconditionally from all territories captured since 1967?
Yes
4. Should Jerusalem be devided, with part or all of the Old City (including the Al-Aqsa Mosque / Temple Mount compound) under Palestinian control?
No
5. Should all Palestinian refugees of the 1948 war have the unconditional right of return to their properties?
Yes
6. Are the Palestinians responsible for the breakdown of the peace proccess and the recent violence?
No
7. Are the Israelis responsible for the breakdown of the peace process and the recent violence?
Yes
8. Are the attacks on Israeli civilians within and without the "Green Line" (pre-1967 border) justified?
Yes
9. Are Israeli "sucurity measures" (such as closures, house demolitions, etc) justified?
No
10. Is Zionism racism?
Yes
11. Should Israel have declared independance in 1948?
No Opinion
12. Are the peace treaties between Israel and Egypt / Jordan beneficial? Yes
13. Has Israel withdrawn fully from Lebanon, as it claimes?
No
14. Should Israel seperate completely and unilaterally from The West Bank and Gaza, evacuating settlements, and erecting a permanent and closed border?
No Opinion
15. Should Palestinians who have Israeli citizenship cooperate with the Israeli Government (vote, pay taxes, etc.)?
Yes
16. Should diplomatic options be explored while the fighting continues? Yes
17. Should Arab nations do more to support the Palestinians by employing peaceful measures only (boycotts, diplomatic pressure, etc.)?
No
18. If you were in the position of the Palestinians, would you be willing to give your life for the cause?
Yes
19. Should Israel reconquer all the territories it transfered to Palestinian control, eliminate the Palestinian Authority, and seek a permanent solution along completely different lines than those tried so far?
No
20. Do you believe there is hope for a lasting peace in the Middle East? Yes

[UkrainianAmerican]

WOW!
You are CRAZY!

[Marmot1]

WOW!
You are CRAZY!
could you explain what makes me crazy???

[UkrainianAmerican]

WOW!
You are CRAZY!
could you explain what makes me crazy???
The Israelis are guilty in the breakdown of the peace process?
The Palestinians arent?
You would give your life if you were a palestinian? Israel didnt withdraw from Lebanon? As UN claims?
:cantbeli:

[Marmot1]

WOW!
You are CRAZY!
could you explain what makes me crazy???
1The Israelis are guilty in the breakdown of the peace process?
2The Palestinians arent?
3You would give your life if you were a palestinian?
:cantbeli:

1 there was only question about israelis so I answered yes

2 there was no question about palestinians so i dodn't had possibility to answer (Yes)

3 yes I would give my life for my country if this is necesary, but not as a suicide bomber i prefer conventional fight... and would you give your life to protect US against lets say North Korea ocupants? or protect russia against chechens who i.e. occupy moscow...???

[UkrainianAmerican]

WOW!
You are CRAZY!
could you explain what makes me crazy???
1The Israelis are guilty in the breakdown of the peace process?
2The Palestinians arent?
3You would give your life if you were a palestinian?
:cantbeli:

1 there was only question about israelis so I answered yes

2 there was no question about palestinians so i dodn't had possibility to answer (Yes)

3 yes I would give my life for my country if this is necesary, but not as a suicide bomber i prefer conventional fight... and would you give your life to protect US against lets say North Korea ocupants? or protect russia against chechens who i.e. occupy moscow...???
You demostrated your COMPLETE lack of knowledge about the conflict.

[Marmot1]

WOW!
You are CRAZY!
could you explain what makes me crazy???
1The Israelis are guilty in the breakdown of the peace process?
2The Palestinians arent?
3You would give your life if you were a palestinian?
:cantbeli:

1 there was only question about israelis so I answered yes

2 there was no question about palestinians so i dodn't had possibility to answer (Yes)

3 yes I would give my life for my country if this is necesary, but not as a suicide bomber i prefer conventional fight... and would you give your life to protect US against lets say North Korea ocupants? or protect russia against chechens who i.e. occupy moscow...???
You demostrated your COMPLETE lack of knowledge about the conflict.
Again... can you explain?

[hey]

I'll ask you only about the lebanon Q,

Why , in your opinion, the Israelis didn't withdraw from Lebanon, if the UN says they did?

[Marmot1]

I'll ask you only about the lebanon Q,

Why , in your opinion, the Israelis didn't withdraw from Lebanon, if the UN says they did?
Small part close to syrian border...

[UkrainianAmerican]

I'll ask you only about the lebanon Q,

Why , in your opinion, the Israelis didn't withdraw from Lebanon, if the UN says they did?
Small part close to syrian border...
So UN suddenly took a pro-Israel position?
O is that a pig flying ourside my window?

[citizen-k]

I'll ask you only about the lebanon Q,

Why , in your opinion, the Israelis didn't withdraw from Lebanon, if the UN says they did?
Small part close to syrian border...

1. This small part is was taken from Syria and therefor it will be returned to Syria. It's not Israel's fault that Syria gave it to Lebanon AFTER it was taken from it.

2. The U.N also thinks this part is Syrian - Israel did what the U.N asked - but you keep ignoring that, why?

[hey]

hey wrote:

I'll ask you only about the lebanon Q,

Why , in your opinion, the Israelis didn't withdraw from Lebanon, if the UN says they did?

Small part close to syrian border...

What about it? Can you please answer with more details?

[Tengu]

Average Israeli

[citizen-k]

hey wrote:

I'll ask you only about the lebanon Q,

Why , in your opinion, the Israelis didn't withdraw from Lebanon, if the UN says they did?

Small part close to syrian border...

What about it? Can you please answer with more details?

I bet he doesn't even know where is it nor how big is it or whats on this property... all he knows its a terrorists excuse for killing more Israelis - some people doesn't need more to build their faith.

[Marmot1]

hey wrote:

I'll ask you only about the lebanon Q,

Why , in your opinion, the Israelis didn't withdraw from Lebanon, if the UN says they did?

Small part close to syrian border...

What about it? Can you please answer with more details?

I bet he doesn't even know where is it nor how big is it or whats on this property... all he knows its a terrorists excuse for killing more Israelis - some people doesn't need more to build their faith.
So maybe you enlight me???

[UkrainianAmerican]

hey wrote:

I'll ask you only about the lebanon Q,

Why , in your opinion, the Israelis didn't withdraw from Lebanon, if the UN says they did?

Small part close to syrian border...

What about it? Can you please answer with more details?

I bet he doesn't even know where is it nor how big is it or whats on this property... all he knows its a terrorists excuse for killing more Israelis - some people doesn't need more to build their faith.
So maybe you enlight me???
rofl
So you really dont know, yet you already choose the hizballahs side.
This speaks tons about your values.

[hey]

Marmot1,
Another "innocent" victiom of the Hizballa propaganda machine.

[Salty Dog]

suicide bomber....what the ..... :P

[citizen-k]

suicide bomber....what the ..... :P

You know, you don't have to blow yourself up in Tel-Aviv...where ever you are right now is just fine ;)

[Salty Dog]

suicide bomber....what the ..... :P

You know, you don't have to blow yourself up in Tel-Aviv...where ever you are right now is just fine ;)

haha i really got average israeli anyway.

[Marmot1]

Marmot1,
Another "innocent" victiom of the Hizballa propaganda machine.
hey,
Another "innocent" victiom of the Israeli propaganda machine.

[citizen-k]

hey wrote:

I'll ask you only about the lebanon Q,

Why , in your opinion, the Israelis didn't withdraw from Lebanon, if the UN says they did?

Small part close to syrian border...

What about it? Can you please answer with more details?

I bet he doesn't even know where is it nor how big is it or whats on this property... all he knows its a terrorists excuse for killing more Israelis - some people doesn't need more to build their faith.
So maybe you enlight me???

http://www.jpost.com/Editions/2002/01/21/News/News.42024.html

It's a VERY SMALL area between Israel, Syria and Lebanon - the area was captured during the 6 days war from SYRIA (which means, in case you find it hard to understand - it was a SYRIAN TERRITORY!)

There are NO villages or towns in this area - no body leaves there! (which means, in case you find it hard to understand, there aren't any oppressed Lebanonians over there)

The only oppressed Lebanonians in the world are located north to the Shaba farm - all over so called "Lebanon" which is conquered by Syria.

So far ~10 people were killed by attacks from the Lebanonian side AFTER Israel got out of Lebanon EXACTLY as the U.N order it to.

ok? any more questions? suggestions? doubts?

Oh yeah, I know the area VERY GOOD, I live there!

(no, not in the Shaba farms area, 5KM to the west - and no, I didn't steal it from the Lebanonians - my grand grand grand father bought it from them)

Again, any questions? :D

[Javehn]

Ohoooo , Marmo1 can use Google !!!

And also he can say what he saw in movies !! I sthat right Marmot1 , that average time life of Us. First Lt. that dropped in Lz. at 65 , was 17 minutes ? What movie was that , remind me please ?

And also he can say , just by one look on the picture , that the damn soldier shooting in someone's back , just like that . He is also a Student Lawer , no ? :bash:

[Marmot1]

hey wrote:

I'll ask you only about the lebanon Q,

Why , in your opinion, the Israelis didn't withdraw from Lebanon, if the UN says they did?

Small part close to syrian border...

What about it? Can you please answer with more details?

I bet he doesn't even know where is it nor how big is it or whats on this property... all he knows its a terrorists excuse for killing more Israelis - some people doesn't need more to build their faith.
So maybe you enlight me???
rofl
So you really dont know, yet you already choose the hizballahs side.
This speaks tons about your values.
Error, I know. Israel withdrawn but "saved" some parts for themselves indeed they are small but still they were not part of israel prior to war.

http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/watch/Peacewatch/peacewatch2002/368.htm

[UkrainianAmerican]

[quote="citizen-kand no, I didn't steal it from the Lebanonians - my grand grand grand father bought it from them)

Again, any questions? :D[/quote]
0WN3D!

[Javehn]

Error, I know. Israel withdrawn but "saved" some parts for themselves indeed they are small but still they were not part of israel prior to war.

Citizen K , remind me please who was the mofti of Shaba farms during Ottoman rull . Is it possible , that the land belonged to Jews , and they were banished from there ?

Is it possible ?

[hey]

hey wrote:

Marmot1,
Another "innocent" victiom of the Hizballa propaganda machine.

hey,
Another "innocent" victiom of the Israeli propaganda machine.

I think you meant:
Hey,
Another "innocent" victim of the UN propaganda machine

[Marmot1]

Ohoooo , Marmo1 can use Google !!!

And also he can say what he saw in movies !! I sthat right Marmot1 , that average time life of Us. First Lt. that dropped in Lz. at 65 , was 17 minutes ? What movie was that , remind me please ?

And also he can say , just by one look on the picture , that the damn soldier shooting in someone's back , just like that . He is also a Student Lawer , no ? :bash:

Yes it was in movie but I don't remember name of it, also I'v read it somewhere over internet prior, where avarage lifetime in various conflicts was compared from WW1 to GW1

That part about picture was sarcasm from my side but maybe you didn't get it... I had used weapons enaught to know that angle was not proper to hit him, but maybe you dont understand if i do not add bla bla bla

[citizen-k]

Error, I know. Israel withdrawn but "saved" some parts for themselves indeed they are small but still they were not part of israel prior to war.

Citizen K , remind me please who was the mofti of Shaba farms during Ottoman rull . Is it possible , that the land belonged to Jews , and they were banished from there ?

Is it possible ?

I doubt it. (The only "Jewish" lands in the region are belong to people from Metulla - and that area was never belong to them)

BUT the lands of marj-eyun vally most certainly belong to Jews (I am one of the owners actually)
merj-eyun vally:~5KM west to shaba farms...

And guess what? these lands are located in Lebanon now!

(I bet morti thinks it will be ok by me to blow up school buses in Beirut now, right?)

[Marmot1]

hey wrote:

Marmot1,
Another "innocent" victiom of the Hizballa propaganda machine.

hey,
Another "innocent" victiom of the Israeli propaganda machine.

I think you meant:
Hey,
Another "innocent" victim of the UN propaganda machine

UN propaganda is slightly diferent from Israeli propaganda so... No, I was correct.

[Marmot1]

Error, I know. Israel withdrawn but "saved" some parts for themselves indeed they are small but still they were not part of israel prior to war.

Citizen K , remind me please who was the mofti of Shaba farms during Ottoman rull . Is it possible , that the land belonged to Jews , and they were banished from there ?

Is it possible ?

I doubt it. (The only "Jewish" lands in the region are belong to people from Metulla - and that area was never belong to them)

BUT the lands of marj-eyun vally most certainly belong to Jews (I am one of the owners actually)
merj-eyun vally:~5KM west to shaba farms...

And guess what? these lands are located in Lebanon now!

(I bet morti thinks it will be ok by me to blow up school buses in Beirut now, right?)

If you will feel better after that feel free to be suicide bomber

BTW how many virgins do you have in heaven??? more than 72 or less?

[hey]

Marmot1, how did you come to the conclustion that I'm a victim of the Israeli propaganda? and how its different from the the UN opinion about Havat Shava ?

[Marmot1]

http://www.jpost.com/Editions/2002/01/21/News/News.42024.html

It's a VERY SMALL area between Israel, Syria and Lebanon - the area was captured during the 6 days war from SYRIA (which means, in case you find it hard to understand - it was a SYRIAN TERRITORY!)

There are NO villages or towns in this area - no body leaves there! (which means, in case you find it hard to understand, there aren't any oppressed Lebanonians over there)

The only oppressed Lebanonians in the world are located north to the Shaba farm - all over so called "Lebanon" which is conquered by Syria.

So far ~10 people were killed by attacks from the Lebanonian side AFTER Israel got out of Lebanon EXACTLY as the U.N order it to.

ok? any more questions? suggestions? doubts?

Oh yeah, I know the area VERY GOOD, I live there!

(no, not in the Shaba farms area, 5KM to the west - and no, I didn't steal it from the Lebanonians - my grand grand grand father bought it from them)

Again, any questions? :D
And wasn't it given by SYRIAN goverment to LEBANON???

If yes it is part of Lenanon now.

[Javehn]

STFU , Marmot1 .

דרך אגב, ישנה סברה האומרת שחוות שבעא באמת שייכים ללבנון , לפחות מתקופה אותומנית .

[Marmot1]

Marmot1, how did you come to the conclustion that I'm a victim of the Israeli propaganda? and how its different from the the UN opinion about Havat Shava ?

I think that we were talking about overal aspect not about Sheeba farms?
Overally UN is nore on the Arab side than Israeli...

[Javehn]

Waw , Mustamato thinks i am Powned or something by Marmot1 .
Care to explain howand when i was P something , Mustamato ?

[UkrainianAmerican]

Waw , Mustamato thinks i am Powned or something by Marmot1 .
Care to explain how , Mustamato ?
Yeah he likes to PM people and say OWNED!

[Javehn]

What's the deal ? He forgot to take the vitamins ?

[Marmot1]

STFU , Marmot1 .

דרך אגב, ישנה סברה האומרת שחוות שבעא באמת שייכים ללבנון , לפחות מתקופה אותומנית .

SO it is all what you can??? Insult others??? WoW great... I thinked that Israelis are more capable...

Zabrakło ci pajacu argumentów to zaczynasz zapierdalac robaczkami co? Jak nie umiesz sie wysłowić i napisac bezposrednio to zaraz przechodzisz na te wasze pajacyki

אידיוט :backhand:

[citizen-k]

http://www.jpost.com/Editions/2002/01/21/News/News.42024.html

It's a VERY SMALL area between Israel, Syria and Lebanon - the area was captured during the 6 days war from SYRIA (which means, in case you find it hard to understand - it was a SYRIAN TERRITORY!)

There are NO villages or towns in this area - no body leaves there! (which means, in case you find it hard to understand, there aren't any oppressed Lebanonians over there)

The only oppressed Lebanonians in the world are located north to the Shaba farm - all over so called "Lebanon" which is conquered by Syria.

So far ~10 people were killed by attacks from the Lebanonian side AFTER Israel got out of Lebanon EXACTLY as the U.N order it to.

ok? any more questions? suggestions? doubts?

Oh yeah, I know the area VERY GOOD, I live there!

(no, not in the Shaba farms area, 5KM to the west - and no, I didn't steal it from the Lebanonians - my grand grand grand father bought it from them)

Again, any questions? :D
And wasn't it given by SYRIAN goverment to LEBANON???

If yes it is part of Lenanon now.

Israel took it from Syria! So Israel will give it back to Syria!

Maybe Syria should "give" the Golan hights to Lebanon - and then Israel will have to give it back as well, with out negotiating it? :cantbeli:

I mean, giving it back to Lebanon meaning to give it back to Syria - cause Syria owns Lebanon right now! (something you fail to understand)

[hey]

hey wrote:

Marmot1, how did you come to the conclustion that I'm a victim of the Israeli propaganda? and how its different from the the UN opinion about Havat Shava ?

I think that we were talking about overal aspect not about Sheeba farms?
Overally UN is nore on the Arab side than Israeli...

maybe i a bitt confused.. didnt we just talk about havat shava ??
and if you like it or not, in this subject the UN and Israel thinks the same

[Javehn]

Dumbas , my hebrew wasn't directed to you , it was about some historical fact from Authoman Empire days to Citizen-K .

http://www.4mothers.org.il/lebanon/shabaa.htm
סליחה על ה 4 אימהות , אבל זה מה שיש

And i said to you STFU , because you really haven't had any idea before this thread what the hell is Shabaa farms . I had enough reading from people like you , so how do you want me to respond otherwise .

You haven't seen one thread of mine when i start accuse Poland , and if i dig , bellieve i would have enough info . So get lost , go repair your holl before you stick your nouse at others .

I have every respect for Polan people like REMOV that writting here (and i excepted their critisism) , but you don't give reasons to respect you .

[Marmot1]

http://www.jpost.com/Editions/2002/01/21/News/News.42024.html

It's a VERY SMALL area between Israel, Syria and Lebanon - the area was captured during the 6 days war from SYRIA (which means, in case you find it hard to understand - it was a SYRIAN TERRITORY!)

There are NO villages or towns in this area - no body leaves there! (which means, in case you find it hard to understand, there aren't any oppressed Lebanonians over there)

The only oppressed Lebanonians in the world are located north to the Shaba farm - all over so called "Lebanon" which is conquered by Syria.

So far ~10 people were killed by attacks from the Lebanonian side AFTER Israel got out of Lebanon EXACTLY as the U.N order it to.

ok? any more questions? suggestions? doubts?

Oh yeah, I know the area VERY GOOD, I live there!

(no, not in the Shaba farms area, 5KM to the west - and no, I didn't steal it from the Lebanonians - my grand grand grand father bought it from them)

Again, any questions? :D
And wasn't it given by SYRIAN goverment to LEBANON???

If yes it is part of Lenanon now.

Israel took it from Syria! So Israel will give it back to Syria!

Maybe Syria should "give" the Golan hights to Lebanon - and then Israel will have to give it back as well, with out negotiating it? :cantbeli:

I mean, giving it back to Lebanon meaning to give it back to Syria - cause Syria owns Lebanon right now! (something you fail to understand)

No I do not fail.. but maybe if they give it (golan h) to lebanon and then you will return it to them (lebanon) there will be peace now and hesbollach will loose arguments... but I think that reason why you keep golan is lack of drinkable water which you must even inport from Turkey in trade for weapons... and your policy is too keep it permanently since golan heights rivers provide most of the water to you...

[UkrainianAmerican]

Marmot, since you know very little about the conflict, how did you get th epro-palestinian views that you have? Press? College sentiment?

[Marmot1]

Dumbas , my hebrew wasn't directed to you , it was about some historical fact from Authoman Empire days to Citizen-K .

http://www.4mothers.org.il/lebanon/shabaa.htm
סליחה על ה 4 אימהות , אבל זה מה שיש

And i said to you STFU , because you really haven't had any idea before this thread what the hell is Shabaa farms . I had enough reading from people like you , so how do you want me to respond otherwise .

You haven't seen one thread of mine when i start accuse Poland , and if i dig , bellieve i would have enough info . So get lost , go repair your holl before you stick your nouse at others .

I have every respect for Polan people like REMOV that writting here (and i excepted their critisism) , but you don't give reasons to respect you .

Actually I have had idea about it before this thread and I only linked this article to show what I was talking about. It was sheeba farms where you used armoured tractors to cultivate land, wasn't it?

not Polan but Polish to be corect...
(Polan's are one of tribes that merged with Wislan's and created Polish state.)

if your hebrew wasn't directed to everybody so then there is small PM button on the bottom...

[Javehn]

but I think that reason why you keep golan is lack of drinkable water which you must even inport from Turkey in trade for weapons... and your policy is too keep it permanently since golan heights rivers provide most of the water to you...

What news do you recieve ? Palestine Debka ? Or you just made facts up along as you speak ?

By the way , you should know that Israel has the leading technology of water refinery , and aquipers , in order to use what we have . And not to be critised by idiotic dumbasses like you .


Actually I have had idea about it before this thread and I only linked this article to show what I was talking about. It was sheeba farms where you used armoured tractors to cultivate land, wasn't it?


Care to explain yourself much much better ? I don't understand **** of what you saying . What article you linked ? What you talking about ?

[citizen-k]

Actually I have had idea about it before this thread and I only linked this article to show what I was talking about. It was sheeba farms where you used armoured tractors to cultivate land, wasn't it?


No!

Show me a picture/article about it!

this area is deserted. No one but the IDF enters that area.

[Javehn]

It was sheeba farms where you used armoured tractors to cultivate land, wasn't it?


What does this boy wants now ? I don't understand .What the hell is he talking about , i think he himself don't have any clue . He must have no clue , because , how to tell you , some people here knows that place Marmot1 , how about you ?

[Marmot1]

Marmot, since you know very little about the conflict, how did you get th epro-palestinian views that you have? Press? College sentiment?

Of course I know less than Israelis on this forum but emaught to have my own opinion which is not affected by CNN and other US media. Most of the US media is pro Israeli while most European is pro Palestionian mabe it is hard to understand to you while you live in US that most of the word have sympathy to Palestinians in this conflict which is clearly visible in every UN resolution wheather vetoed by US or not... I have Jewish friend's and also I know Palestionians and many muslims, I do not hate all Israelis nor denny Israeli right to existence, but methods used by Sharon goverment remind me those used by germans on ocupied teritories during WW2,and it's what I am against.

[Marmot1]

Actually I have had idea about it before this thread and I only linked this article to show what I was talking about. It was sheeba farms where you used armoured tractors to cultivate land, wasn't it?


No!

Show me a picture/article about it!

this area is deserted. No one but the IDF enters that area.

Well I have seen somewhere picture (very very old B&W) where homemade armoured tractor was used to cultivate land since area was under mortar/or sniper fire...

[Javehn]

Marmot take 1 :

nor denny Israeli right to existence

Marmot take 2 :


10. Is Zionism racism?
Yes

If Zionism is form of Rasizm , doesn't that mean that what brought Jews back to Israel , is actually rasizm , and then it must be wrong ? Doesn't that mean that entire waves of Alia (which you offcorse , don't have no clue what the hell it is , and perhaps it doesn't interest you) were full of Rasist , and there for Israel have no right to exist ?

11. Should Israel have declared independance in 1948?
No Opinion



Well I have seen somewhere picture (very very old B&W) where homemade armoured tractor was used to cultivate land since area was under mortar/or sniper fire...

Idiot , it's Kibuts area bellow Golan heights (pre 1967 ) that were bombarded constantly by Surians (guess where from : Golan heghts) . What the hell it has to do with Shabaa farms. Damn , go home boy . I should learn now, but you don't give me .

[Marmot1]

Marmot take 1 :

nor denny Israeli right to existence

Marmot take 2 :


10. Is Zionism racism?
Yes <---AFAIK Zionism was recognized as form of racism by UN (isn't it?)

If Zionism is form of Rasizm , doesn't that mean that what brought Jews back to Israel , is actually rasizm , and then it must be wrong ? Doesn't that mean that entire waves of Alia (which you offcorse , don't have no clue what the hell it is , and perhaps it doesn't interest you) were full of Rasist , and there for Israel have no right to exist ?

11. Should Israel have declared independance in 1948?
No Opinion <--No opinion do not mean yes nor it means no, but maybe it is hard to you to understand diference.

waves of Alia were probably ppl who settled in mandate of palestine before 1948??? yes? No I don' think that they were racist's ,some fo them certanly but not all or even not the majority

[Javehn]

10. Is Zionism racism?
Yes <---AFAIK Zionism was recognized as form of racism by UN (isn't it?)


I really really didn't suggested that UN is big Israel lover . I am starting to be a little squised in time , so how much Anti Israel resolutions UN has it's entire other matter , and what countries are part of it . But even UN (and that's big even ) recognised that Shabaa farms was part of Syria and not Lebanon , so what the hell you arguing with me about .

Your second part of quote i didn't reffered . I really don't care about it .


waves of Alia were probably ppl who settled in mandate of palestine before 1948??? yes? No I don' think that they were racist's ,some fo them certanly but not all or even not the majority

Nice google checking . I see you do it a lot lately , when you don't quote movies .

[hey]

well Marmot1!!
the UN decision to recognize Zionism as form of racism was canceled in 1996 (maybe im wrong about the year).
As from the start this decision made because a very large pressure of the arabs and thier supporters on the UN!

I just want to add.. its sad that you make your opinions by the opinions of others. you cant give any good reason of yours why Zionism is a form of racism.

[Javehn]

well Marmot1!!
the UN decision to recognize Zionism as form of racism was canceled in 1996 (maybe im wrong about the year).
As from the start this decision made because a very large pressure of the arabs and thier supporters on the UN!

I just want to add.. its sad that you make your opinions by the opinions of others. you cant give any good reason of yours why Zionism is a form of racism.

**** , how could i forgot about that , offcorse . Thanks pal !
But until 1991 it was considered . Ok , and now i have to run .

[Marmot1]

10. Is Zionism racism?
Yes <---AFAIK Zionism was recognized as form of racism by UN (isn't it?)


I really really didn't suggested that UN is big Israel lover . I am starting to be a little squised in time , so how much Anti Israel resolutions UN has it's entire other matter , and what countries are part of it . But even UN (and that's big even ) recognised that Shabaa farms was part of Syria and not Lebanon , so what the hell you arguing with me about .

Your second part of quote i didn't reffered . I really don't care about it .


waves of Alia were probably ppl who settled in mandate of palestine before 1948??? yes? No I don' think that they were racist's ,some fo them certanly but not all or even not the majority

Nice google checking . I see you do it a lot lately , when you don't quote movies .

Cool so when one UN resolution support Israel (or rather claim that pre 1978 war it was part of syria) you can quote it, but if UN do not support then ignore it... nice selective memory

So if UN recognized it as a part of Syria then Syria had full right to donate it to Lebanon

I have to go.

להתראות

[citizen-k]

Actually I have had idea about it before this thread and I only linked this article to show what I was talking about. It was sheeba farms where you used armoured tractors to cultivate land, wasn't it?


No!

Show me a picture/article about it!

this area is deserted. No one but the IDF enters that area.

Well I have seen somewhere picture (very very old B&W) where homemade armoured tractor was used to cultivate land since area was under mortar/or sniper fire...

rofl

This place is called "Emek hahula" or in English - The hula vally.

Those "tractors" were bombed/snipered by the Syrian BEFORE 1967' - and that is the main reason why Israel took the Golan hights for the first place. (cause thats where they shot from)

This place is NOT the Shaba farms.

You can search the forum for my posts where there are pictures from that area - you will clearly see there is NOTHING in that area but 2-3 army posts.

[Javehn]

Cool so when one UN resolution support Israel (or rather claim that pre 1978 war it was part of syria) you can quote it, but if UN do not support then ignore it... nice selective memory

So if UN recognized it as a part of Syria then Syria had full right to donate it to Lebanon


Lawer lawer mr Lawer . Change your major .

I said that even if UN itself claims that Shabaa farm is Syrian . You don't want me to say that ? Ok , i will erase it from every post i made now , is that make you happy ?

Ok , **** never mind , i get so annoyed talking to you , and i have test tommorow , i really should learn . Get lost will you .

[S'13]

10. Is Zionism racism?
Yes <---AFAIK Zionism was recognized as form of racism by UN (isn't it?)

True, on November 10, 1975 there was this resolution.
However it was repealed in 1991!


http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/UN/herzogsp.html


Israeli Ambassador Herzog's Response
To Zionism Is Racism Resolution
(November 10, 1975)

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Address by Israeli Ambassador to the United Nations Chaim Herzog to the General Assembly of the United Nations
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Mr. President,
It is symbolic that this debate, which may well prove to be a turning point in the fortunes of the United Nations and a decisive factor in the possible continued existence of this organization, should take place on November 10. Tonight, thirty-seven years ago, has gone down in history as Kristallnacht, the Night of the Crystals. This was the night in 1938 when Hitler's Nazi storm-troopers launched a coordinated attack on the Jewish community in Germany, burned the synagogues in all its cities and made bonfires in the streets of the Holy Books and the Scrolls of the Holy Law and Bible. It was the night when Jewish homes were attacked and heads of families taken away, many of them never to return. It was the night when the windows of all Jewish businesses and stores were smashed, covering the streets in the cities of Germany with a film of broken glass which dissolved into the millions of crystals which gave that night its name. It was the night which led eventually to the crematoria and the gas chambers, Auschwitz, Birkenau, Dachau, Buchenwald, Theresienstadt and others. It was the night which led to the most terrifying holocaust in the history of man.

It is indeed befitting Mr. President, that this debate, conceived in the desire to deflect the Middle East from its moves towards peace and born of a deep pervading feeling of anti-Semitism, should take place on the anniversary of this day. It is indeed befitting, Mr. President, that the United Nations, which began its life as an anti-Nazi alliance, should thirty years later find itself on its way to becoming the world center of anti-Semitism. Hitler would have felt at home on a number of occasions during the past year, listening to the proceedings in this forum, and above all to the proceedings during the debate on Zionism.

It is sobering to consider to what level this body has been dragged down if we are obliged today to contemplate an attack on Zionism. For this attack constitutes not only an anti-Israeli attack of the foulest type, but also an assault in the United Nations on Judaism -- one of the oldest established religions in the world, a religion which has given the world the human values of the Bible, and from which two other great religions, Christianity and Islam, sprang. Is it not tragic to consider that we here at this meeting in the year 1975 are contemplating what is a scurrilous attack on a great and established religion which has given to the world the Bible with its Ten Commandments, the great prophets of old, Moses, Isaiah, Amos; the great thinkers of history, Maimonides, Spinoza, Marx, Einstein, many of the masters of the arts and as high a percentage of the Nobel Prize-winners in the world, in the sciences, in the arts and in the humanities as has been achieved by any people on earth? . . .

The resolution against Zionism was originally one condemning racism and colonialism, a subject on which we could have achieved consensus, a consensus which is of great importance to all of us and to our African colleagues in particular. However, instead of permitting this to happen, a group of countries, drunk with the feeling of power inherent in the automatic majority and without regard to the importance of achieving a consensus on this issue, railroaded the UN in a contemptuous maneuver by the use of the automatic majority into bracketing Zionism with the subject under discussion.

I do not come to this rostrum to defend the moral and historical values of the Jewish people. They do not need to be defended. They speak for themselves. They have given to mankind much of what is great and eternal. They have done for the spirit of man more than can readily be appreciated by a forum such as this one.

I come here to denounce the two great evils which menace society in general and a society of nations in particular. These two evils are hatred and ignorance. These two evils are the motivating force behind the proponents of this resolution and their supporters. These two evils characterize those who would drag this world organization, the ideals of which were first conceived by the prophets of Israel, to the depths to which it has been dragged today.

The key to understanding Zionism is in its name. The easternmost of the two hills of ancient Jerusalem during the tenth century B.C.E. was called Zion. In fact, the name Zion, referring to Jerusalem, appears 152 times in the Old Testament. The name is overwhelmingly a poetic and prophetic designation. The religious and emotional qualities of the name arise from the importance of Jerusalem as the Royal City and the City of the Temple. "Mount Zion" is the place where God dwells. Jerusalem, or Zion, is a place where the Lord is King, and where He has installed His king, David.

King David made Jerusalem the capital of Israel almost three thousand years ago, and Jerusalem has remained the capital ever since. During the centuries the term "Zion" grew and expanded to mean the whole of Israel. The Israelites in exile could not forget Zion. The Hebrew Psalmist sat by the waters of Babylon and swore: "If I forget three, O Jerusalem, let my right hand forget her cunning." This oath has been repeated for thousands of years by Jews throughout the world. It is an oath which was made over seven hundred years before the advent of Christianity and over twelve hundred years before the advent of Islam, and Zion came to mean the Jewish homeland, symbolic of Judaism, of Jewish national aspirations.

While praying to his God every Jew, wherever he is in the world, faces towards Jerusalem. For over two thousand years of exile these prayers have expressed the yearning of the Jewish people to return to their ancient homeland, Israel. In fact, a continuous Jewish presence, in larger or smaller numbers, has been maintained in the country over the centuries.

Zionism is the name of the national movement of the Jewish people and is the modern expression of the ancient Jewish heritage. The Zionist ideal, as set out in the Bible, has been, and is, an integral part of the Jewish religion.

Zionism is to the Jewish people what the liberation movements of Africa and Asia have been to their own people.

Zionism is one of the most dynamic and vibrant national movements in human history. Historically it is based on a unqiue and unbroken connection, extending some four thousand years, between the People of the Book and the Land of the Bible.

In modern times, in the late nineteenth century, spurred by the twin forces of anti-Semitic persecution and of nationalism, the Jewish people organized the Zionist movement in order to transform their dream into reality. Zionism as a political movement was the revolt of an oppressed nation against the depredation and wicked discrimination and oppression of the countries in which anti-Semitism flourished. It is no coincidence that the co-sponsors and supporters of this resolution include countries who are guilty of the horrible crimes of anti-Semitism and discrimination to this very day.

Support for the aim of Zionism was written into the League of Nations Mandate for Palestine and was again endorsed by the United Nations in 1947, when the General Assembly voted by overwhelming majority for the restoration of Jewish independence in our ancient land.

The re-establishment of Jewish independence in Israel, after centuries of struggle to overcome foreign conquest and exile, is a vindication of the fundamental concepts of the equality of nations and of self-determination. To question the Jewish people's right to national existence and freedom is not only to deny to the Jewish people the right accorded to every other people on this globe, but it is also to deny the central precepts of the United Nations.

As a former Foreign Minister of Israel, Abba Eban, has written:

"Zionism is nothing more -- but also nothing less -- than the Jewish people's sense of origin and destination in the land linked eternally with its name. It is also the instrument whereby the Jewish nation seeks an authentic fulfillment of itself. And the drama is enacted in twenty states comprising a hundred million people in 4 1/2 million square miles, with vast resources. The issue therefore is not whether the world will come to terms with Arab nationalism. The question is at what point Arab nationalism, with its prodigious glut of advantage, wealth and opportunity, will come to terms with the modest but equal rights of another Middle Eastern nation to pursue its life in security and peace."

The vicious diatribes on Zionism voiced here by Arab delegates may give this Assembly the wrong impression that while the rest of the world supported the Jewish national liberation movement the Arab world was always hostile to Zionism. This is not the case. Arab leaders, cognizant of the rights of the Jewish people, fully endorsed the virtues of Zionism. Sherif Hussein, the leader of the Arab world during World War I, welcomed the return of the Jews to Palestine. His son, Emir Feisal, who represented the Arab world in the Paris Peace Conference, had this to say about Zionism:

"We Arabs, especially the educated among us, look with deepest sympathy on the Zionist movement.... We will wish the Jews a hearty welcome home.... We are working together for a reformed and revised Near East, and our two movements complement one another. The movement is national and not imperialistic. There is room in Syria for us both. Indeed, I think that neither can be a success without the other."

It is perhaps pertinent at this point to recall that when the question of Palestine was being debated in the United Nations in 1947, the Soviet Union strongly supported the Jewish independence struggle. It is particularly relevant to recall some of Andrei Gromydo's remarks:

"As we know, the aspirations of a considerable part of the Jewish people are linked with the problem of Palestine and of its future administration. This fact scarcely requires proof.... During the last war, the Jewish people underwent exceptional sorrow and suffering. Without any exaggeration, this sorrow and suffering are indescribable. It is difficult to express them in dry statistics on the Jewish victims of the fascist aggressors. The Jews in the territories where the Hitlerites held sway were subjected to almost complete physical annihilation. The total number of Jews who perished at the hands of the Nazi executioners is estimated at approximately six million....

"The United Nations cannot and must not regard this situation with indifference, since this would be incompatible with the high principles proclaimed in its Charter, which provides for the defense of human rights, irrespective of race, religion or ***....

"The fact that no Western European State has been able to ensure the defence of the elementary rights of the Jewish people and to safeguard it against the violence of the fascist executioners explains the aspirations of the Jews to establish their own State. It would be unjust not to take this into consideration and to deny the right of the Jewish people to realize this aspiration."

How sad it is to see here a group of nations, many of whom have but recently freed themselves of colonial rule, deriding one of the most noble liberation movements of this century, a movement which not only gave an example of encouragement and determination to the peoples struggling for independence but also actively aided many of them either during the period of preparation for their independence or immediately thereafter.

Here you have a movement which is the embodiment of a unique pioneering spirit, of the dignity of labor, and of enduring human values, a movement which has presented to the world an example of social equality and open democracy being associated in this resolution with abhorrent political concepts.

We in Israel have endeavored to create a society which strives to implement the highest ideals of society -- political, social and cultural -- for all the inhabitants of Israel, irrespective of religious belief, race or ***.

Show me another plualistic society in this world in which despite all the difficult problems, Jew and Arab live together with such a degree of harmony, in which the dignity and rights of man are observed before the law, in which no death sentence is applied, in which freedom of speech, of movement, of thought, of expression are guaranteed, in which even movements which are opposed to our national aims are represented in our Parliament.

The Arab delegates talk of racism. What has happened to the 800,000 Jews who lived for over two thousand yeras in the Arab lands, who formed some of the most ancient communities long before the advent of Islam. Where are they now?

The Jews were once one of the important communities in the countries of the Middle East, the leaders of thought, of commerce, of medical science. Where are they in Arab society today? You dare talk of racism when I can point with pride to the Arab ministers who have served in my government; to the Arab deputy speaker of my Parliament; to Arab officers and men serving of their own volition in our border and police defense forces, frequently commanding Jewish troops; to the hundreds of thousands of Arabs from all over the Middle East crowding the cities of Israel every year; to the thousands of Arabs from all over the Middle East coming for medical treatment to Israel; to the peaceful coexistence which has developed; to the fact that Arabic is an official language in Israel on a par with Hebrew; to the fact that it is as natural for an Arab to serve in public office in Israel as it is incongruous to think of a Jew serving in any public office in an Arab country, indeed being admitted to many of them. Is that racism? It is not! That, Mr. President, is Zionism.

Zionism is our attempt to build a society, imperfect though it may be, in which the visions of the prophets of Israel will be realized. I know that we have problems. I know that many disagree with our government's policies. Many in Israel too disagree from time to time with the government's policies ... and are free to do so because Zionism has created the first and only real democratic state in a part of the world that never really knew democracy and freedom of speech.

This malicious resolution, designed to divert us from its true purpose, is part of a dangerous anti-Semitic idiom which is being insinuated into every public debate by those who have sworn to block the current move towards accommodation and ultimately towards peace in the Middle East. This, together with similar moves, is designed to sabotage the efforts of the Geneva Conference for peace in the Middle East and to deflect those who are moving along the road towards peace from their purpose. But they will not succeed, for I can but reiterate my government's policy to make every move in the direction towards peace, based on compromise.

We are seeing here today but another manifestation of the bitter anti-Semitic, anti-Jewish hatred which animates Arab society. Who would have believed that in this year, 1975, the malicious falsehoods of the "elders of Zion" would be distributed officially by Arab governments? Who would have believed that we would today contemplate an Arab society which teaches the vilest anti-Jewish hate in the kindergartens?... We are being attacked by a society which is motivated by the most extreme form of racism known in the world today. This is the racism which was expressed so succinctly in the words of the leader of the PLO, Yassir Arafat, in his opening address at a symposium in Tripoli, Libya: "There will be no presence in the region other than the Arab presence...." In other words, in the Middle East from the Atlantic Ocean to the Persian Gulf only one presence is allowed, and that is Arab presence. No other people, regardless of how deep are its roots in the region, is to be permitted to enjoy its right to self-determination.

Look at the tragic fate of the Kurds of Iraq. Look what happened to the black population in southern Sudan. Look at the dire peril in which an entire community of Christians finds itself in Lebanon. Look at the avowed policy of the PLO, which calls in its Palestine Covenant of 1964 for the destruction of the State of Israel, which denies any form of compromise on the Palestine issue and which, in the words of its representative only the other day in this building, considers Tel Aviv to be occupied territory. Look at all this, and you see before you the root cause of the twin evils of this world at work, the blind hatred of the Arab proponents of this resolution, and the abysmal ignorance and wickedness of those who support them.

The issue before this Assembly is neither Israel nor Zionism. The issue is the fate of this organizaiton. Conceived in the spirit of the prophets of Israel, born out of an anti-Nazi alliance after the tragedy of World War II, it has degenerated into a forum which was this last week described by [Paul Johnson] one of the leading writers in a foremost organ of social and liberal thought in the West as "rapidly becoming one of the most corrupt and corrupting creations in the whole history of human institutions ... almost without exception those in the majority came from states notable for racist oppression of every conceivable hue." He goes on to explain the phenomenon of this debate:

"Israel is a social democracy, the nearest approach to a free socialist state in the world; its people and government have a profound respect for human life, so passionate indeed that, despite every conceivable provocation, they have refused for a quarter of a century to execute a single captured terrorist. They also have an ancient but vigorous culture, and a flourishing technology. The combination of national qualities they have assembled in their brief existence as a state is a perpetual and embittering reproach to most of the new countries whose representatives swagger about the UN building. So Israel is envied and hated; and efforts are made to destroy her. The extermination of the Israelis has long been the prime objective of the Terrorist International; they calculate that if they can break Israel, then all the rest of civilisation is vulnerable to their assaults....

"The melancholy truth, I fear, is that the candles of civilisation are burning low. The world is increasingly governed not so much by capitalism, or communism, or social democracy, or even tribal barbarism, as by a false lexicon of political cliches, accumulated over half a century and now assuming a kind of degenerate sacerdotal authority.... We all know what they are...."

Over the centuries it has fallen to the lot of my people to be the testing agent of human decency, the touchstone of civilization, the crucible in which enduring human values are to be tested. A nation's level of humanity could invariably be judged by its behavior towards its Jewish population. Persecution and oppression have often enough begun with the Jews, but it has never ended with them. The anti-Jewish pogroms in Czarist Russia were but the tip of the iceberg which revealed the inherent rottenness of a regime that was soon to disappear in the storm of revolution. The anti-Semitic excesses of the Nazis merely foreshadowed the catastrophe which was to befall mankind in Europe....

On the issue before us, the world has divided itself into good and bad, decent and evil, human and debased. We, the Jewish people, will recall in history our gratitude to those nations who stood up and were counted and who refused to support this wicked proposition. I know that this episode will have strengthened the forces of freedom and decency in this world and will have fortified the free world in their resolve to strengthen the ideals they so cherish. I know that this episode will have strengthened Zionism as it has weakened the United Nations.

As I stand on this rostrum, the long and proud history of my people unravels itself before my inward eye. I see the oppressors of our people over the ages as they pass one another in evil procession into oblivion. I stand here before you as the representative of a strong and flourishing people which has survived them all and which will survive this shameful exhibition and the proponents of this resolution.

The great moments of Jewish history come to mind as I face you, once again outnumbered and the would-be victim of hate, ignorance and evil. I look back on those great moments. I recall the greatness of a nation which I have the honor to represent in this forum. I am mindful at this moment of the Jewish people throughout the world wherever they may be, be it in freedom or in slavery, whose prayers and thoughts are with me at this moment.

I stand here not as a supplicant. Vote as your moral conscience dictates to you. For the issue is neither Israel nor Zionism. The issue is the continued existence of this organization, which has been dragged to its lowest point of discredit by a coalition of despots and racists.

The vote of each delegation will record in history its country's stand on anti-Semitic racism and anti-Judaism. You yourselves bear the responsibility for your stand before history, for as such will you be viewed in history. We, the Jewish people, will not forget.

For us, the Jewish people, this is but a passing episode in a rich and event-filled history. We put our trust in our Providence, in our faith and beliefs, in our time-hallowed tradition, in our striving for social advance and human values, and in our people wherever they may be. For us, the Jewish people, this resolution based on hatred, falsehood and arrogance, is devoid of any moral or legal value.

[UkrainianAmerican]

Marmot, since you know very little about the conflict, how did you get th epro-palestinian views that you have? Press? College sentiment?

Of course I know less than Israelis on this forum but emaught to have my own opinion which is not affected by CNN and other US media. Most of the US media is pro Israeli while most European is pro Palestionian mabe it is hard to understand to you while you live in US that most of the word have sympathy to Palestinians in this conflict which is clearly visible in every UN resolution wheather vetoed by US or not... I have Jewish friend's and also I know Palestionians and many muslims, I do not hate all Israelis nor denny Israeli right to existence, but methods used by Sharon goverment remind me those used by germans on ocupied teritories during WW2,and it's what I am against.
Yes, I know that a lot of european press is pro-palestinian. I find it disturbing however, that the press is able to shape public opininion to the extent it does today.

[big80a2]

Marmot, since you know very little about the conflict, how did you get th epro-palestinian views that you have? Press? College sentiment?

Of course I know less than Israelis on this forum but emaught to have my own opinion which is not affected by CNN and other US media. Most of the US media is pro Israeli while most European is pro Palestionian mabe it is hard to understand to you while you live in US that most of the word have sympathy to Palestinians in this conflict which is clearly visible in every UN resolution wheather vetoed by US or not... I have Jewish friend's and also I know Palestionians and many muslims, I do not hate all Israelis nor denny Israeli right to existence, but methods used by Sharon goverment remind me those used by germans on ocupied teritories during WW2,and it's what I am against.
Yes, I know that a lot of european press is pro-palestinian. I find it disturbing however, that the press is able to shape public opininion to the extent it does today.

True man!
I hate to watch the news here only look for the updates....
Sometimes it's lack of intrest from the news organisations so they say things halfsided/halftrue REALLY ANOING.

Than they have all the same sorces. And they don't double check. The media is there for biased in all the sorces actually

[big80a2]

Marmot, since you know very little about the conflict, how did you get th epro-palestinian views that you have? Press? College sentiment?

Of course I know less than Israelis on this forum but emaught to have my own opinion which is not affected by CNN and other US media. Most of the US media is pro Israeli while most European is pro Palestionian mabe it is hard to understand to you while you live in US that most of the word have sympathy to Palestinians in this conflict which is clearly visible in every UN resolution wheather vetoed by US or not... I have Jewish friend's and also I know Palestionians and many muslims, I do not hate all Israelis nor denny Israeli right to existence, but methods used by Sharon goverment remind me those used by germans on ocupied teritories during WW2,and it's what I am against.

How do you dare to compare WW2 with the curent conflict.
You should learn more about WW2 man!!!
oh yeh the Netherlands where also ocupied by Germans you think we should have blown our selfs up in busses full of german civilians...........
Man if my grandpa blew himself up in WW2 I would be ashemed right now!
But you know what he did??>..... he took jews in his home dispite all dificultese.... And if you are such a "Moral Knight" then why don't adopt a palie family??
WW2 is totaly difrent and you in poland should know that!!!
when compareing WW2 with the current israeli tactics is not only a lie it is a shame to all that Europese people that have helped jews and fellow citizens in hard times!!!!
you really make me sick with this!!!!

[Airborneranger4israel]

average israeli

Dam right, israel can do whatever she wants to "terrorists", militants, martyrs, and non-civilians to protect herself.

[AirZone]

Marmot, since you know very little about the conflict, how did you get th epro-palestinian views that you have? Press? College sentiment?

Of course I know less than Israelis on this forum but emaught to have my own opinion which is not affected by CNN and other US media. Most of the US media is pro Israeli while most European is pro Palestionian mabe it is hard to understand to you while you live in US that most of the word have sympathy to Palestinians in this conflict which is clearly visible in every UN resolution wheather vetoed by US or not... I have Jewish friend's and also I know Palestionians and many muslims, I do not hate all Israelis nor denny Israeli right to existence, but methods used by Sharon goverment remind me those used by germans on ocupied teritories during WW2,and it's what I am against.

How do you dare to compare WW2 with the curent conflict.
You should learn more about WW2 man!!!
oh yeh the Netherlands where also ocupied by Germans you think we should have blown our selfs up in busses full of german civilians...........
Man if my grandpa blew himself up in WW2 I would be ashemed right now!
But you know what he did??>..... he took jews in his home dispite all dificultese.... And if you are such a "Moral Knight" then why don't adopt a palie family??
WW2 is totaly difrent and you in poland should know that!!!
when compareing WW2 with the current israeli tactics is not only a lie it is a shame to all that Europese people that have helped jews and fellow citizens in hard times!!!!
you really make me sick with this!!!!

Awwww... i wish i could shake your grandpa hand.. or yours, good and human people (its the holocost memorial day btw) with some sense of reality. :hug: woot :hug: woot thanks man :D

[Marmot1]

Marmot, since you know very little about the conflict, how did you get th epro-palestinian views that you have? Press? College sentiment?

Of course I know less than Israelis on this forum but emaught to have my own opinion which is not affected by CNN and other US media. Most of the US media is pro Israeli while most European is pro Palestionian mabe it is hard to understand to you while you live in US that most of the word have sympathy to Palestinians in this conflict which is clearly visible in every UN resolution wheather vetoed by US or not... I have Jewish friend's and also I know Palestionians and many muslims, I do not hate all Israelis nor denny Israeli right to existence, but methods used by Sharon goverment remind me those used by germans on ocupied teritories during WW2,and it's what I am against.

How do you dare to compare WW2 with the curent conflict.
I have lost family members during WW2
You should learn more about WW2 man!!!
I know a lot...Lot more than you can expect
oh yeh the Netherlands where also ocupied by Germans you think we should have blown our selfs up in busses full of german civilians...........
And where did I supported blowing in buses??? I only compared policy of goverment and not palestinian goverment but Israeli goverment
Man if my grandpa blew himself up in WW2 I would be ashemed right now!
If he blew himself in civilian bus Yes I would be ashamed too but if i.e in wermacht tran I would be proud of him,but unfortunatelly he was EOD and he blew trains (without kiling himself)
But you know what he did??>..... he took jews in his home dispite all dificultese....
And during ocupation my grandma feed with her brest and took care of a small Jewish girl when her parrents were hidden for few months in a hole dug in the field by other ppl in village (like saddam)... do you know what was punishment for this, or for giving a glass of water to Jew in Poland during WW2??? There was only one... DEATH in other countries it was prison or concentration camp in poland death.
And if you are such a "Moral Knight" then why don't adopt a palie family??
And why don't let them live in their homes where their families lived for years??? Ohh... I forgot there is no place for them now. Actually my familly suported one Palestinian engeneer who came to Poland 7 years ago.... now he has a home, wife, 2 kids (who are rised as christians despite that their father is muslim) and job with better sallary than my father who helped him an the begining so I think we did enaught and now they are in situation that they do not need support anymore.(Well OK they need support since they have problems to find young lamb for Ramadan every year and we have to use our "contacts" among farmers to find one. /lambs are not very popular in poland/.)
WW2 is totaly difrent and you in poland should know that!!!
Wall around west bank looks to me simmilar to this in warsaw ghetto in 1943, colective punishment for familly i.e. blowing house where militants lived looks similar to punishing nerby village for atack on german convoy on nerby road during WW2.
when compareing WW2 with the current israeli tactics is not only a lie it is a shame to all that Europese people that have helped jews and fellow citizens in hard times!!!!
Shame??? Did I denied holocaust??? No. Unfortunatelly now former victims (Israelis) are applying some tactics aplied to them during WW2.
I would have nothing against Israel's wall if they pull settlers out of occupied teritories and if they build their wall on border and not in a way in which 12% of Palestinian teritory is on Israeli side of wall. So practically disconnected from rest of Palestinian teritory and incorporated into Israel. If they build it EXACTLY on the border then they can have it to protect their homeland if they feel endangered, and it would be totally justified, but building it like it is done now, where land is grabbed from owners looks very bad to me.

you really make me sick with this!!!!
So take aspirin should help you ;)

[citizen-k]

Marmot, since you know very little about the conflict, how did you get th epro-palestinian views that you have? Press? College sentiment?

Of course I know less than Israelis on this forum but emaught to have my own opinion which is not affected by CNN and other US media. Most of the US media is pro Israeli while most European is pro Palestionian mabe it is hard to understand to you while you live in US that most of the word have sympathy to Palestinians in this conflict which is clearly visible in every UN resolution wheather vetoed by US or not... I have Jewish friend's and also I know Palestionians and many muslims, I do not hate all Israelis nor denny Israeli right to existence, but methods used by Sharon goverment remind me those used by germans on ocupied teritories during WW2,and it's what I am against.

I missed that post, and now I'm sorry for trying to make you smarter.

Ignorance is bliss.

[ExtraT]

דרך אגב, ישנה סברה האומרת שחוות שבעא באמת שייכים ללבנון , לפחות מתקופה אותומנית .

SO it is all what you can??? Insult others??? WoW great... I thinked that Israelis are more capable...


Diagnosis: Marmot1 suffers from paranoid delusions.

I can't say I'm surprised.

[big80a2]

Marmot, since you know very little about the conflict, how did you get th epro-palestinian views that you have? Press? College sentiment?

Of course I know less than Israelis on this forum but emaught to have my own opinion which is not affected by CNN and other US media. Most of the US media is pro Israeli while most European is pro Palestionian mabe it is hard to understand to you while you live in US that most of the word have sympathy to Palestinians in this conflict which is clearly visible in every UN resolution wheather vetoed by US or not... I have Jewish friend's and also I know Palestionians and many muslims, I do not hate all Israelis nor denny Israeli right to existence, but methods used by Sharon goverment remind me those used by germans on ocupied teritories during WW2,and it's what I am against.

How do you dare to compare WW2 with the curent conflict.
I have lost family members during WW2
You should learn more about WW2 man!!!
I know a lot...Lot more than you can expect
oh yeh the Netherlands where also ocupied by Germans you think we should have blown our selfs up in busses full of german civilians...........
And where did I supported blowing in buses??? I only compared policy of goverment and not palestinian goverment but Israeli goverment
Man if my grandpa blew himself up in WW2 I would be ashemed right now!
If he blew himself in civilian bus Yes I would be ashamed too but if i.e in wermacht tran I would be proud of him,but unfortunatelly he was EOD and he blew trains (without kiling himself)
But you know what he did??>..... he took jews in his home dispite all dificultese....
And during ocupation my grandma feed with her brest and took care of a small Jewish girl when her parrents were hidden for few months in a hole dug in the field by other ppl in village (like saddam)... do you know what was punishment for this, or for giving a glass of water to Jew in Poland during WW2??? There was only one... DEATH in other countries it was prison or concentration camp in poland death.
And if you are such a "Moral Knight" then why don't adopt a palie family??
And why don't let them live in their homes where their families lived for years??? Ohh... I forgot there is no place for them now. Actually my familly suported one Palestinian engeneer who came to Poland 7 years ago.... now he has a home, wife, 2 kids (who are rised as christians despite that their father is muslim) and job with better sallary than my father who helped him an the begining so I think we did enaught and now they are in situation that they do not need support anymore.(Well OK they need support since they have problems to find young lamb for Ramadan every year and we have to use our "contacts" among farmers to find one. /lambs are not very popular in poland/.)
WW2 is totaly difrent and you in poland should know that!!!
Wall around west bank looks to me simmilar to this in warsaw ghetto in 1943, colective punishment for familly i.e. blowing house where militants lived looks similar to punishing nerby village for atack on german convoy on nerby road during WW2.
when compareing WW2 with the current israeli tactics is not only a lie it is a shame to all that Europese people that have helped jews and fellow citizens in hard times!!!!
Shame??? Did I denied holocaust??? No. Unfortunatelly now former victims (Israelis) are applying some tactics aplied to them during WW2.
I would have nothing against Israel's wall if they pull settlers out of occupied teritories and if they build their wall on border and not in a way in which 12% of Palestinian teritory is on Israeli side of wall. So practically disconnected from rest of Palestinian teritory and incorporated into Israel. If they build it EXACTLY on the border then they can have it to protect their homeland if they feel endangered, and it would be totally justified, but building it like it is done now, where land is grabbed from owners looks very bad to me.

you really make me sick with this!!!!
So take aspirin should help you ;)

Well your naming a lot of diffrent subjects here so I only stick to the WW2 subject.

I'm not saying anything about your family (my thanks and aprisiation for there deeds during WW2)
The thing is that when talking about tactics of NAZIs during ww2 and compering them to
some tactics used by Israel is out of line.
Some tactics used by Israel are against palie terrorist are the same as the ones used by US in history.... But when you say that, it would not be as laden as compering to Nazi tactics. Get the point. It is useless and quite bad. The whole nature of nazi tactics was destroying Under menshen
and that is not the nature of IDF tactics.
About colective punishmend... well as far as I see it is not that like as the Nazis did or even the alies (bombing city's) tell me when Israel rounded up the man, women and children from a palie city... executed them and buried them in mass graves??
Israel punishes the contributers to terrorists, they don't kill the whole family.....
The wall is maybe a prison (in your eye's) for the palies.... so are the arab borders around israel a prison wall for the Israelis.... (it's about perspective)

can say more on this but for now I have to go to work

[ikurinturbiini]

International mediator. But actually I just want the Middle East to crumble into the sea. Where's divine intervention when you need it?

[OldRecon]

Israeli leftist / peace-oriented

[OldRecon]

International mediator. But actually I just want the Middle East to crumble into the sea. Where's divine intervention when you need it?

Remember me of a T-shirt emblem some guys in my Norbatt platoon go printed up in protest against the winning bid for platoon t-shirt competition.
Maybe I'll put my t-shirt in the scanner and have the logo posted here some day (though it's not exactly a politicaly correct one)

[IDFM203]

Good posting big80a2!!

oh and for me.............


Israeli rightist / peace-oriented :D




Shalom :D

[UkrainianAmerican]

Good posting big80a2!!

oh and for me.............


Israeli rightist / peace-oriented :D




Shalom :D
:hug:

[juhae]

Despite the fact that some of the questions are badly formed, and serve only very dubious purposes, I decided to give this test a try.

Palestinian moderate / peace-oriented

Hehe.

[Royal]

Didn't like a good few of the questions but...

Palestinian moderate / peace-oriented

(stands by for a flaming)

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

I got 1st.Average Palestinian and 2nd. Israeli leftist/peace-oriented
I am not that left wing at home so I guess if I ever move to Israel I will be marching for peace. :)

[UkrainianAmerican]

Hippie limeys :P

[Mr. Nielsen]

Israeli leftist / peace-oriented

[Javehn]

Israeli leftist / peace-oriented

NOOOOO !!!!!!!!!!!!!! You must be ****ting me !!! Really ? I can't bellieve this . My eyes !!

Did you polished today your medal ? (you know what medal i am talking about :bash: ) .

[UkrainianAmerican]

Wow, the poll makes sure to place all the pro-pals into the israeli left camp.
It was ****bably made by some hippie high on Hisbullah weed.

[Javehn]

Wow, the poll makes sure to place all the pro-pals into the israeli left camp.
It was ****bably made by some hippie high on Hisbullah weed.

Until you didn't met our hardcore Israeli left , you really didn't meat crazy people . Just one , Yossi Beylin , and he is moderate left wing .

I do mean , crazy people . You don't bellieve what crazy **** they do .

[UkrainianAmerican]

Wow, the poll makes sure to place all the pro-pals into the israeli left camp.
It was ****bably made by some hippie high on Hisbullah weed.

Until you didn't met our hardcore Israeli left , you really didn't meat crazy people . Just one , Yossi Beylin , and he is moderate left wing .

I do mean , crazy people . You don't bellieve what crazy **** they do .
This summer I ma throw some stones at em, Pali style. woot

[Javehn]

This summer I ma throw some stones at em, Pali style.

But be carefull . They all have the same medals Mr. Nielsen has , and they don't affraid to use them ;)

[UkrainianAmerican]

This summer I ma throw some stones at em, Pali style.

But be carefull . They all have the same medals Mr. Nielsen has , and they don't affraid to use them ;)
Our group is going ot have Private body guards with M4s. They know who the faggots are. :D

[Mr. Nielsen]

Did you polished today your medal ? (you know what medal i am talking about :bash: ) .

Actually I don't really recall.

Was it 1st or 2nd class? Oak leafes perhaps?

[Javehn]

No, other medal . Perhaps ExtaT would remind you about it ...

[MolliG]

My result...

Palestinian moderate / peace-oriented
:|

[UkrainianAmerican]

My result...

Palestinian moderate / peace-oriented
:|
Damn whats wrong with the Limeys :P

Go palestine!!! woot woot

[UkrainianAmerican]

Go palestine!!! woot woot
O boy, cant wait until you get to the Marine Corp. :lol:

[TacoDelRio]

What a retarded-ass quiz.

IMHO, I'd like to see Israel wipe out the militant palestineans (I sad the MILITANT ones, BTW). :bash: :bash: :bash:

Politics and war don't mix.

Damn peace protesters in San Francisco. Dumbasses. They probably made that goddamn quiz.

I lost my last 2 IQ taking that test.

DB p-)