BMP-3M with ERA

[Universe]

I am making a BMP-3M era collection anybody care to upload their photos and the links from where they got it from ?

http://bop.agria.hu/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=67&Itemid=33

http://legion.wplus.net/guide/army/ta/bmp3m-1.jpg
http://www.nsu.ru/vk/tp/bt/bmp/3/update/bmp3.jpg
http://bop.agria.hu/ht/ht_era_4.jpg

[KillerBD]

http://bop.agria.hu/ht/ht_era_4.jpg

[Andrew116]

I love BMPS with ERA woot

[Universe]

Thanks Ill update them to my archive. I cant believe how few images of the bmp-3m with era I can find :(

[Smersh]

Exploding ERA bricks injure dismounted troops?

[aartamen]

not injure, dismember, at least the old ones

[Dark Avenger]

The current ERA generation has a less dynamic explosive to lessen the collateral damage both to the carrier vehicle itself and the surrounding area. BTW, the ERA boxes on the BMP-3M are so big because the requirement was for the vehicle to retain amphibious capability even with the ERA fitted. Plus, I think this was originally done to satisfy a UAE requirement.

[Smersh]

what to limit 'colleteral damage' to a meter?

[Dark Avenger]

Basically not do damage the vehicle hull/turret, or neighboring ERA bricks, and not to create too much spall AFAIK.

[JVeld]

I love BMPS with ERA woot
Yupp.....they do look way cooler, sort of that transformer look !

[Flamming_Python]

Yupp.....they do look way cooler, sort of that transformer look !

Looks like some high-tech lego kit :D

But yeah, looks cool as well p-)

[sgabbio]

some othe pictures
http://img27.exs.cx/img27/9526/bmp3d_02.jpg
http://img27.exs.cx/img27/6678/bmp3d_04.jpg

[Echo300]

A lot here: http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=bmp-3m&btnG=Search+Images p-)

[Universe]

There is also a BMP-3M with ERA and Arena but I do not have any pictures of it at all. As for the google search on bmp-3m it reveals what I already had in my archive.

[speckfire]

How much weight does the ERA add ?

[Universe]

Not sure because i cant tell if it is kontakt 5 or relikt era.

Edit: 4,150 kg (protects the hull and turret against light anti-tank weapons and 12.7-14.5mm armour piercing rounds. )

[gunnergoz]

Suspension is bound to be overloaded and the ride quite stiff. Combine that with poor troop accomodations - too crowded - and you have a sure fire formula to get troops into action already exhausted and disoriented.

[Dark Avenger]

There is also a BMP-3M with ERA and Arena but I do not have any pictures of it at all. As for the google search on bmp-3m it reveals what I already had in my archive.
Like this one?
http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/9300/bmp3upgradedcw1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Universe]

It doesnt look like the arena because the arena should be mounted on the turret and not off it.

[Dark Avenger]

OOPS, sorry, my mistake, this is in fact the French thermal sight as fitted to UAE BMP-3s. Small pic and tired eyes... Again, sorry.

[Universe]

It's ok. If you find any BMP-3M with era and arena post em up :)

[Kvakva]

It's ok. If you find any BMP-3M with era and arena post em up :)
p-)
http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/3791/50oy2.jpg

http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/1491/60dl1.jpg

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/710/bmp3wz7.jpg

http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/83/70tj9.jpg

http://img466.imageshack.us/img466/4663/80lm3.jpg

[Universe]

Do you have the links to where you got it from ? Btw that isnt the reactive armor its "applique".

[Dark Avenger]

I don't think that's ERA in the first three pics. Looks more like passive armor/buoyancy chambers combination. But the last pic shows the arrangement of the Arena explosive casettes to advantage. Neat. ;)

[Universe]

Looks like for the time being its classified pictures of the BMP-3M with arena and era.

[Kvakva]

Do you have the links to where you got it from ? Btw that isnt the reactive armor its "applique".


I don't think that's ERA in the first three pics. Looks more like passive armor/buoyancy chambers combination. But the last pic shows the arrangement of the Arena explosive casettes to advantage. Neat. ;)
I never sad it was ERA, its not. Era is in the belt around turret.

[3rdMillhouse]

Looks futuristic with all those ERA bricks around it.

[Dark Avenger]

I never sad it was ERA, its not. Era is in the belt around turret.
That belt contains the explosive casettes for the Arena, which are ejected upwards and then detonated to destroy approaching munitions on cue from the system's computer.

[Kvakva]

That belt contains the explosive casettes for the Arena, which are ejected upwards and then detonated to destroy approaching munitions on cue from the system's computer.
Oh right my mistake.

http://www.kurganmash.ru/machines/bmp3u/protection/arena/

[Universe]

Ah so that is how the Arena works. I thought that it somehow caused it to detonate close to proximity to the target by destroying its guidance and overriding its computer.

[Kvakva]

Ah so that is how the Arena works. I thought that it somehow caused it to detonate close to proximity to the target by destroying its guidance and overriding its computer.

What? Its simple - You can say it's a big shotgun that shoots down incoming projectiles.
http://armor.kiev.ua/ptur/azt/arena_work.jpg

[Dark Avenger]

That might work only with proximity fuzed munitions. The Arena (and the earlier Drozd) is a "hard-kill" Active Protection System, the Shtora is an Electrooptical jammer that messes up the guidance of ATGMs.

[Universe]

Its simple now :)

[Smersh]

Do you have the links to where you got it from ? Btw that isnt the reactive armor its "applique".

It looks the the turret armour additions on some T-55 upgrades.

[Dark Avenger]

If you mean the BDD, no relation between the two at all.

[AT-T]

Like this one?
http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/9300/bmp3upgradedcw1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

That's an early UAE BMP-3. the large housing is not Arena but Thales Thermal Imaging Kamera (The same as on UAEs Leclercs)

Here are some more photos of BMP-3 with ERA:
http://www.niistali.ru/images/pic/product/bmp3_2.jpg
http://www.niistali.ru/images/pic/product/bmp3_1.jpg
http://www.nsu.ru/vk/tp/bt/bmp/3/update/pic.jpg


And Arena
http://armor.kiev.ua/ptur/azt/bmp3-a.jpg
http://armor.kiev.ua/ptur/azt/Arena_002.jpg
http://mukhin.vif2.ru/Newgeneration/Arena/bmp3.JPG
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/bmp-3/images/bmp-3_8.jpg

[Dark Avenger]

That's an early UAE BMP-3. the large housing is not Arena but Thales Thermal Imaging Kamera (The same as on UAEs Leclercs)

Yes, I corrected it a while ago, see http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showpost.php?p=2161919&postcount=20

[Baron Harkonnen]

Tests firing ...

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/4782/rasstrel19sott8.th.jpg (http://img209.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rasstrel19sott8.jpg)

[Universe]

The large size of the era blocks according to NII stal is to also aid in buoyancy.

[dragon2w]

http://img321.imageshack.us/img321/2233/abb35dc0d9ac2abb68f565bia2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img321.imageshack.us/img321/4324/413251585defdec3757b466fu2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Smersh]

If you mean the BDD, no relation between the two at all.

when universe called it, not ERA but "applique", I thought he was refering to BDD on some T-55 and T-62 modernizations. Is it not the same thing?

[calimero2]

According to some, this is an upgraded BMP-3F with new gunner's sight:

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/5222/img4346jn7.th.jpg (http://img441.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img4346jn7.jpg)

Could someone confirm? Personally I don't agree because AFAIK the F model does not have the self-entrenchening blade. And the standard BMP-3 is also fitted with a deep wading snorkel.

[Digimon]

The following series of posts is a little off-topic since it includes BMP-3 and BMP-2 upgrades with and without ERA. However, all of the posts include sources and deserve a look.

BMP-3 Upgrade
Source: Manufacturer
http://www.kurganmash.ru/en/

[Digimon]

Source: the same as above

[Digimon]

BMP-3F
Source: Manufacturer
http://www.kurganmash.ru/en/
and Design Bureau
http://www.skbm.ru/eng

[Digimon]

BMP-2 Upgrade
Source: Manufacturer
http://www.kurganmash.ru/en/

[Digimon]

BMP-3 Upgrade
Source: Design Bureau
http://www.skbm.ru/eng/

[Digimon]

BMP-2 Upgrade
Source: Design Bureau
http://www.skbm.ru/eng/
and KBP, the designer of the new turret systems:
http://www.shipunov.com/eng/ (http://www.shipunov.com/eng/)

In addition.
There is a number of interesting videos that illustrate various upgrades to BMP line; the links to videos are located at the bottom of each of the following pages:

Arena:
http://www.kurganmash.ru/en/machines/bmp3u/protection/arena/ (http://www.kurganmash.ru/en/machines/bmp3u/protection/arena/)

Shtora:
http://www.kurganmash.ru/en/machines/bmp3u/protection/shtora/ (http://www.kurganmash.ru/en/machines/bmp3u/protection/shtora/)

BMP-3
http://www.kurganmash.ru/en/machines/bmp3/serial%5Fbmp3/ (http://www.kurganmash.ru/en/machines/bmp3/serial%5Fbmp3/)

BMP-3F
http://www.kurganmash.ru/en/machines/bmp3/bmp3f/

BMP-2
http://www.kurganmash.ru/en/machines/bmp2/description/ (http://www.kurganmash.ru/en/machines/bmp2/description/)

BMP-1
http://www.kurganmash.ru/en/machines/bmp1u/variant%5F1/ (http://www.kurganmash.ru/en/machines/bmp1u/variant%5F1/)
http://www.kurganmash.ru/en/machines/bmp1u/variant%5F1/konkurs/ (http://www.kurganmash.ru/en/machines/bmp1u/variant%5F1/konkurs/)
http://www.kurganmash.ru/en/machines/bmp1u/variant%5F1/wheels/ (http://www.kurganmash.ru/en/machines/bmp1u/variant%5F1/wheels/)
http://www.kurganmash.ru/en/machines/bmp1u/variant%5F2/ (http://www.kurganmash.ru/en/machines/bmp1u/variant%5F2/)
http://www.kurganmash.ru/en/machines/bmp1u/variant%5F2/foaming%5Fshields/ (http://www.kurganmash.ru/en/machines/bmp1u/variant%5F2/foaming%5Fshields/)

[AT-T]

BMP-2 Upgrade seems to be the best choice for russian army. Is it still floatable?

[Digimon]

BMP-2 Upgrade seems to be the best choice for russian army. Is it still floatable?

All BMP must be floatable otherwise they will not be put into service. It is a necessary requirement. BMP upgrades, including BMP-2 upgrade, is not an exception.

[Mangusta CBT]

With this configuration the BMP 3 which protection have against AP shell ?

[Dark Avenger]

when universe called it, not ERA but "applique", I thought he was refering to BDD on some T-55 and T-62 modernizations. Is it not the same thing?
No. AFAIK, BDD is the equivalent of about 200mm RHA (Rolled homogenous armor), while that on the BMP-3 is probably added passive armor and byoyancy aid combination to retain flotation capability, even with the increase in weight.

[Dark Avenger]

According to some, this is an upgraded BMP-3F with new gunner's sight:

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/5222/img4346jn7.th.jpg (http://img441.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img4346jn7.jpg)

Could someone confirm? Personally I don't agree because AFAIK the F model does not have the self-entrenchening blade. And the standard BMP-3 is also fitted with a deep wading snorkel.
Well, the plaque in front of the vehicle simply says "BMP-3", if it were an F model, I thing it would be stated in the plaque.

[Smersh]

No. AFAIK, BDD is the equivalent of about 200mm RHA (Rolled homogenous armor), while that on the BMP-3 is probably added passive armor and byoyancy aid combination to retain flotation capability, even with the increase in weight.

alright then, I was right in saying what universe refferred to as 'applique' or BDD is what is on some T-55s. But, thats not what is on the BMP-3.

[calimero2]

Well, the plaque in front of the vehicle simply says "BMP-3", if it were an F model, I thing it would be stated in the plaque.

Yes but look at the BMP-3F in post #45; isn`t that the same vehicle?

[Dark Avenger]

It would seem so. The snorkel seems to indicate "F", but the entrenching blasde is a feature of "regular" BMP-3s. What a mess...

[dragon2w]

The vehicle has the light-weight antisurge vane and the snorkel of the BMP-3F. It does not have a antisurge vanes on the turret. It also has the self-entrenching equipment of the regular version.

[calimero2]

[FONT=&quot]The vehicle has the light-weight antisurge vane and the snorkel of the BMP-3F.


The snorkel seems to indicate "F", but the entrenching blade is a feature of "regular" BMP-3s. What a mess...

What's the difference between the snorkel of the BMP-3 and the one of the BMP-3F?

[dragon2w]

BMP-3
http://img348.imageshack.us/img348/9279/bmp3052xz5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
BMP-3F
http://img452.imageshack.us/img452/6492/xbmp38lb3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[calimero2]

Of course, thanks. BTW: what's that vehicle in the background of the lower picture?

[Dark Avenger]

Looks like a transporter or training vehicle based on the BMP-2 to judge by the fenders. It appears to have large windows on the superstructure. Otherwise, it does not correspond to any version that I know.

[dragon2w]

BMP-3M with 4S24 tiles
http://s133.photobucket.com/albums/q60/dragon1w4e5/th_untitled-2.jpg (http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q60/dragon1w4e5/untitled-2.jpg)

http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/7125/88dj2ax0.th.jpg (http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/7125/88dj2ax0.jpg)