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nwtarr
08-14-2008, 07:33 AM
link does not work :|

overload, try some times

ir_ingr
08-14-2008, 09:00 AM
overload, try some times

The link is wrong

VitalyVK
08-14-2008, 09:31 AM
The link is wrong

no, it works

Stonewall71
08-14-2008, 09:43 AM
no, it works


correct! I was able to acess it now

Conde
08-14-2008, 09:56 AM
http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/4681/img9564fn0.jpg

Is this a tank turret? Maybe it blew up and the turrent fell trough the roof and into the building?

Jim Vaz
08-14-2008, 09:59 AM
These gruesome pictures,
I'm so confused. Who is who here? Are the dead Georgian or Russian?

flanker7
08-14-2008, 10:02 AM
http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd262/flanker1977/motivator9444966.jpg

................

Lokos
08-14-2008, 10:04 AM
I'm so confused. Who is who here? Are the dead Georgian or Russian?

Georgian. So far, only three Russian KIA have been shown in pictures. The Georgian total is well above thirty (possibly as many as forty).

L.

Jim Vaz
08-14-2008, 10:16 AM
The troops that seem to be under an overpass are using US trucks, those aren't russian right? I assume they're captured vehicles?

Lokos
08-14-2008, 10:28 AM
They're not using those trucks. Those trucks are abandoned. And have suffered some battle damage. Notice the various debris around them...

L.

Jim Vaz
08-14-2008, 10:34 AM
Gotcha. I know I'm asking a lot of questions, it just gets confusing with all these factions and uniforms that seem to blend all together.

Now all these are not regular Russian troops are they? I can assume some are Ossetian militias and Chechen special troops?

Lokos
08-14-2008, 10:36 AM
From what I can ascertain, it's either a Chechen unit, or a Chechen unit attached to a Russian one.

L.

Constantin
08-14-2008, 10:54 AM
Russians should remember such "small" details.

and georgians too.

Arian
08-14-2008, 11:04 AM
Thats why RuForses didnt bomb The city of Gori :-|,

more like because the Goergian army wasn't there.


BTW solder with The Standart later had living in Abhassia.

And then what happened to this descendents? History is a bit*ch.

m.i.t
08-14-2008, 11:14 AM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b5/Stalin_1894.jpg/378px-Stalin_1894.jpg (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b5/Stalin_1894.jpg)

1894.







http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/ni/Stalin_1902.jpg
1902

http://isurvived.org/Pictures_iSurvived-2/2Stalin.GIF



1951

josef stalin ( STEELMAN) was Georgian ...he was strongest man of soviet history.

1911-a1
08-14-2008, 12:14 PM
Yes, that's an M72 LAW.
http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/5497/img9709vr1.jpg

No. This is not an M72 LAW. It looks like an RPG-22. I should know since I have an M72 at homep-)

Mousepad
08-14-2008, 12:19 PM
josef stalin ( STEELMAN) was Georgian ...he was strongest man of soviet history.

"Stalin" was his undercover pseudonim, originally his last name is Jugashvilli. I would add that not only in SU, but in Russian history at general. His impact on history could've been compared only to Peter The Great and Ekaterine II The Great - also.

Mousepad
08-14-2008, 12:24 PM
http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/5497/img9709vr1.jpg

No. This is not an M72 LAW. It looks like an RPG-22. I should know since I have an M72 at homep-)

Yep looks like RPG-22 for me too, but why the hell it needs english markings, Georgians somehow know english better than Russian?

KoTeMoRe
08-14-2008, 12:34 PM
Bore calibre is bigger...

But markings?

Matrix33
08-14-2008, 12:48 PM
What puzzles me is the overall vision of these russian/ chechen fighters (Vostok)...they seem scareless. It's hard to tell, why I think so, maybe a "Patton" syndrome.Vostok is unit of veterans. They've seen many battles against chechen partisans. So basicly they aren't fresh recruits and are used to danger of armed combat.
Chechens generally are known for their bravery but the drawback is they can be very ruthless and cruel.

calimero2
08-14-2008, 01:51 PM
Yep looks like RPG-22 for me too,

Yes indeed, my mistake!

calimero2
08-14-2008, 01:53 PM
josef stalin ( STEELMAN) was Georgian ...he was strongest man of soviet history.

Yes he was. He made the Soviet Union a powerfull state, at the cost of millions of lives, of his own countrymen. Congratulations "Steelman", well done!

calimero2
08-14-2008, 02:19 PM
An ex-Georgian BMP-1 upgraded with the Ukrainian-made Shkval turret and BMP-2 style fenders

Wrong thread DA ;)


credit @ Calimero2

Actually the photograph came from the blog of a Russian gentleman called Artyom Drabkin so the credit should go to him.

Dark Avenger
08-14-2008, 02:22 PM
Wrong thread DA

Since it's now in Russian possession, I suppose it is the right thread.
Note the "under new management" and the "ex-Gerorgian" title. ;)

edi213009
08-14-2008, 03:18 PM
Since it's now in Russian possession, I suppose it is the right thread.
Note the "under new management" and the "ex-Gerorgian" title. ;)

Pres Medvedev has met the Russian servicemen who took part in this war.Among other Gru Head Gen Korabelnikov and also peacekeeper head Gen Kulakhmetov.

In the 2nd pic i guess they are not officers,but soldiers.Can somebody identify which unit are from Uniforms or patches

VitalyVK
08-14-2008, 03:42 PM
Pres Medvedev has met the Russian servicemen who took part in this war.Among other Gru Head Gen Korabelnikov and also peacekeeper head Gen Kulakhmetov.

In the 2nd pic i guess they are not officers,but soldiers.Can somebody identify which unit are from Uniforms or patches

:) ha..as always generals got all the prizes. They invited several officers and maybe 1-2 privates-sergeants just to show that they "care" about ordinary armymen

TheArmenian
08-14-2008, 03:55 PM
http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/5164/attachmentfq9.jpg

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/6895/attachmenteq4.jpg

T-62 still going strong.

Peresvet
08-14-2008, 05:57 PM
The Russian military men in Gori (Georgia) (http://drugoi.livejournal.com/2696421.html?mode=reply&style=mine)

KoTeMoRe
08-14-2008, 06:04 PM
http://pics.livejournal.com/drugoi/pic/00h0q1p2.jpg


Does that soldier sport a BFA on his 74M?

And that's some optical device!

NESTOR MAXNO
08-14-2008, 06:13 PM
Yep looks like RPG-22 for me too, but why the hell it needs english markings, Georgians somehow know english better than Russian?
its RPG22(how told: "uchite mat chast'" :) ) but it can be made in Ukraine;) special for export

1911-a1
08-14-2008, 06:15 PM
Does that soldier sport a BFA on his 74M?

And that's some optical device!

I really dont think so. Russians have sometimes (pretty often actually) used those gray things and put them over the barrels, so that dirt and other stuff wont come in.

KoTeMoRe
08-14-2008, 06:19 PM
I really dont think so. Russians have sometimes (pretty often actually) used those gray things and put them over the barrels, so that dirt and other stuff wont come in.

Looks indeed as a BFA...but I'll take your word for it. Seems illogical in such a flashpoint.http://www.ak-47.net/images/mags/5.45_Mag_Bulgarian.w.pouch.gif

edi213009
08-14-2008, 06:30 PM
Siberians?whats their unit?he looks over 40

1911-a1
08-14-2008, 06:32 PM
check this pic out

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y229/cmutka/9EM.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y229/cmutka/15EM.jpg
I think they use cut down flare tubes or something like that... Im gonna try to find some more info

edi213009
08-14-2008, 06:34 PM
"improvisation is the mother of all inventions" srbija maybe u right

KoTeMoRe
08-14-2008, 06:36 PM
check this pic out

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y229/cmutka/9EM.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y229/cmutka/15EM.jpg
I think they use cut down flare tubes or something like that... Im gonna try to find some more info

Looks too long and too fat, hell he could put that BFA on the same purpose.

zealot
08-14-2008, 07:43 PM
if you look closely you can see that it's the standard(albeit worn out) compesator.. it's just the contrast IMO


EDIT: i think it might be ak-74 compensator on ak-74m

3rdMillhouse
08-14-2008, 10:33 PM
According to the US yes the Flankers were used.



As for Guided Munitions, the Russia MoD said that they have been used but if your looking for footage of them, there is none yet that I've seen.

Thanks for the reply, mate.

PS: it's always interesting to look atpictures of Russia's armed forces, it looks like I'm looking back some 20 years into the past.

RomanS
08-14-2008, 11:29 PM
The things on top of their AK-74 compensators are regular signal rockets/smoke sticks after being used.

It fits perfectly on top of the AK-74, and it protects the break from dirt and other things getting into it when its muddy, rainy or cold. You dont want to have the compensator filled up with junk.

Here is my friend in Chechnya equiped with some

http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/33/img2930wt9.th.jpg (http://img514.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img2930wt9.jpg)

Albatross
08-14-2008, 11:32 PM
Siberians?whats their unit?he looks over 40

Just cause he is a bit older doesn't mean he isnt one mean mother****er. I will take old age and treachery over youth and enthusiasm anyday.

He219
08-14-2008, 11:40 PM
http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/8987/610xkb2.jpg

Russian soldiers sit on a military vehicle in the Georgian city of Gori, near South Ossetia, August 14, 2008
http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/6159/610xst9.jpg

A Russian soldier sits near an armoured personnel vehicle in the Georgian town of Gori, near South Ossetia, August 14, 2008.
http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/3648/610xsx5.jpg

Soldiers travel on an armoured vehicle as part of a Russian military convoy on a main road close to Zugdidi, a major town in western Georgia August 14, 2008. August 14, 2008
http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/1808/610xov9.jpg

Soldiers travelling on an armoured vehicle as part of a Russian military convoy leave the Georgian Black Sea port of Poti August 14, 2008. Russian troops and armour moved in or around at least three Georgian towns on Thursday, ignoring demands by Washington that Moscow respect Georgia's territorial integrity.
http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/3199/610xqa8.jpg

Soldiers travelling on an armoured vehicle as part of a Russian military convoy leave the Georgian Black Sea port of Poti August 14, 2008
http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/3300/340xmn0.jpg

Russian soldier guards his Tunguska anti-aircraft battery next to a Soviet-era mural in Tskhinval, Georgia, Thursday, Aug. 14, 2008.

VUCICEVIC
08-14-2008, 11:47 PM
josef stalin ( STEELMAN) was Georgian ...he was strongest man of soviet history.

what about my favorite Ivan Grozni!!!!!

CPL Trevoga
08-14-2008, 11:50 PM
what about my favorite Ivan Grozni!!!!!

How about posting hi-res version of your avatar?

Andarius-Militarius
08-15-2008, 12:05 AM
Darn. Most Russian troops don't even have kevlar helmets yet :-(

intruder_bass
08-15-2008, 12:43 AM
How about posting hi-res version of your avatar?
+1 to that! :)

jackehammond
08-15-2008, 01:08 AM
Dear Russian Member,

Could someone please visit this topic on this forum in Military Photo/History and Tactic "Bravest Last Stands" and post some historical events related to the subject. About every country has been posted. I had to post one about Hill 776 to represent Russia.

Thank you in advance.

Jack E. Hammond

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=139942


.

GazB
08-15-2008, 01:12 AM
PS: it's always interesting to look atpictures of Russia's armed forces, it looks like I'm looking back some 20 years into the past.

Despite the fighting in the region it is pretty much a backwater region. It is hardly a place you would send the latest and best equipment too, I mean the Georgians don't have many Abrams or Leopard IIs.
Why waste brand new expensive stuff when the old stuff still does a very good job? You have to use up the old stuff anyway so why not use it against real targets?

Norsu
08-15-2008, 02:26 AM
Backwater region or not, this was (still is) a warzone. What good are modern equipment if they just sit in Moscow or St. Petersburg region? Toys for parades? Leave older equipment for rear guards and give spearhead troops the latest stuff. Russia started its offensive a week ago, surely that would be enough time to move new hardware to the region.

Andarius-Militarius
08-15-2008, 02:34 AM
Backwater region or not, this was (still is) a warzone. What good are modern equipment if they just sit in Moscow or St. Petersburg region? Toys for parades? Leave older equipment for rear guards and give spearhead troops the latest stuff. Russia started its offensive a week ago, surely that would be enough time to move new hardware to the region.

Most new equipment (bmp-3s and t-90s) is reported to be stationed in the Far-East military district and Siberian military district. Even with older equipment in the caucas region, Russia's military is still stonger than those of any other country in the region, with the possible exception of Turkey.

Norsu
08-15-2008, 02:51 AM
Stronger yes, but giving your troops that are in war latest gear that could save more lives should be top priority in every army. I understand Russia sees Far-East and China as a bigger enemy but they certainly aren't going to do anything during olympic games.

KoTeMoRe
08-15-2008, 03:58 AM
No, it would not save more lives...given the intensity of the conflict and duration, the transfer cost and maintenance of those systems once in the battlefield (not mentionning the possibe losses) will be a bigger burden.

As for the individual equipment...the georgians show that a tool is as good as the craftsman. Oh BTW was that a first? AR-equipped soldiers lost to AK-equipped ones (and old junk with that!).p-)

Do not forget, we're speaking about a State that cannot yet afford sending half it's army in the region. Not mentionning the timetable and backgound of this war.

Now you can speak on how cold war, these soldiers look. But the result is there. Plus damn they look rebel.p-)

Andarius-Militarius
08-15-2008, 04:10 AM
Stronger yes, but giving your troops that are in war latest gear that could save more lives should be top priority in every army. I understand Russia sees Far-East and China as a bigger enemy but they certainly aren't going to do anything during olympic games.

Given that Russia has a million active troops and a military budget the same as that of Italy which has only 300,000. Plus Russia having to maintain a nuclear ****nal, our resources are streached pretty thin. 20 years ago, most European militaries looked just like the Russian one in terms of equipment. But they had a rise in military budgets since then, not a sharp decline.

Kutuzov
08-15-2008, 04:11 AM
http://www.youtube.com/v/kM50u6xdJas&feature=related

Check this out "Russian looters" played by what looks like Ukrainian actors .

Andarius-Militarius
08-15-2008, 04:17 AM
http://www.youtube.com/v/kM50u6xdJas&feature=related

Check this out "Russian looters" played by what looks like Ukrainian actors .

Interesting when the journalist asks the soldier why he is wearing Georgian camo, and he replies that its not Georgian camo (its US issue digital camo). Wondering whether it was taken from a dead Georgian soldier or did they abandon thier uniforms like on the Abkhazian/Black Sea front.

KoTeMoRe
08-15-2008, 04:19 AM
Given that Russia has a million active troops and a military budget the same as that of Italy which has only 300,000. Plus Russia having to maintain a nuclear ****nal, our resources are streached pretty thin. 20 years ago, most European militaries looked just like the Russian one in terms of equipment. But they had a rise in military budgets since then, not a sharp decline.

On a proportionnal scale yes going hand in hand with a decline in active troops and the dropping of circonscription.

mannelig
08-15-2008, 04:26 AM
Check this out "Russian looters" played by what looks like Ukrainian actors .

"Where from did you get that fork?" Omg! Soldier put it right in his pocket that reporter and camerman can see it perfectly and even touch it... WTF? Again media provocation.:bash:

GazB
08-15-2008, 05:13 AM
Backwater region or not, this was (still is) a warzone.

Indeed it is, but pulling troops from flat open grassland moscow region down to the mountains of Georgia and pulling troops out sounds like a big waste of time. The Georgians attacked and the Russians mobilised and were in situ within a day... there would hardly be time to requip them or retrain them on new equipment.


What good are modern equipment if they just sit in Moscow or St. Petersburg region?

What is the point of letting Georgian troops kill South Ossetian civilians while your forces are dumping the weapons and equipment they have trained and served with so they can get new equipment trucked in?


Leave older equipment for rear guards and give spearhead troops the latest stuff.

The old stuff seems to have been perfectly adequate for the job. I doubt newer equipment would have made the process any quicker... in fact I think it would have slowed things down.


Russia started its offensive a week ago, surely that would be enough time to move new hardware to the region.

They don't need the flash new equipment for mopping up operations.


Stronger yes, but giving your troops that are in war latest gear that could save more lives should be top priority in every army.

It is a peacekeeping mission against Georgia. Not an invasion of Europe. Speed was more important than looking impressive for the internet.


I understand Russia sees Far-East and China as a bigger enemy but they certainly aren't going to do anything during olympic games.

Georgia is tiny and doesn't warrant better stuff.


but giving your troops that are in war latest gear

Their troops had and still have the right gear to get the job done.

Mousepad
08-15-2008, 05:35 AM
its RPG22(how told: "uchite mat chast'" :) ) but it can be made in Ukraine;) special for export

Makes sense, thanks for info :)

GIJOEJK
08-15-2008, 05:43 AM
http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/8987/610xkb2.jpg


These guys look too old to be typical Russian soldiers. They look more like a cast of actors.

Mousepad
08-15-2008, 05:55 AM
These guys look too old to be typical Russian soldiers. They look more like a cast of actors.

What is typical for you? Those look like Russian military for me 100%.

TheArmenian
08-15-2008, 05:58 AM
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/9606/1434834io3.jpg

UNDER NEW MANAGEMENT:)

Czech made DANA self propelled artllery taken over by Russian troops around the city of Gori.

Unifil 37
08-15-2008, 06:01 AM
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/9606/1434834io3.jpg

UNDER NEW MANAGEMENT:)

Czech made DANA self propelled artllery taken over by Russian troops around the city of Gori.

Nope... Ukrainian actors...

GIJOEJK
08-15-2008, 06:02 AM
What is typical for you? Those look like Russian military for me 100%.

Just that these guys look like a cast actors from a war movie, or a video game. Not the typical 18 year old conscript.

TheArmenian
08-15-2008, 06:08 AM
Please identify these "war trophies" captured by the Russian troops from the Georgian forces.

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/7794/1434826ij2.jpg
I think this one is a Toyota Hilux pickup truck. But I could be wrong.

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/2039/1434836xn5.jpg
Russian troops taking away from Georgian ****nals around Gori. What trucks are these? are the artillery pieces D-30 guns?

Matrix33
08-15-2008, 06:10 AM
Just that these guys look like a cast actors from a war movie, or a video game. Not the typical 18 year old conscript.

AFAIK 58th Army is made of professionals. Big part of it at least. So non-teenager look of those soldiers is explainable.

Mousepad
08-15-2008, 06:11 AM
Just that these guys look like a cast actors from a war movie, or a video game. Not the typical 18 year old conscript.

And you think that Russia STILL dumb enough to send 18 year olf conscripts in actuall Warzones? As for personally those guys they in my opinion are field recon of some company or batallion and the old guys - one can be officer, and one NCO so it makes they'r age - around 30-s quite understandable, also they can be contractors.

KoTeMoRe
08-15-2008, 06:12 AM
Please identify these "war trophies" captured by the Russian troops from the Georgian forces.

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/7794/1434826ij2.jpg
I think this one is a Toyota Hilux pickup truck. But I could be wrong.

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/2039/1434836xn5.jpg
Russian troops taking away from Georgian ****nals around Gori. What trucks are these? are the artillery pieces D-30 guns?


I honestly think these are georgian soldiers...first picture they're fully geared. And yes that's a HiLux there.

Abbyy
08-15-2008, 06:13 AM
Please identify these "war trophies" captured by the Russian troops from the Georgian forces.

Russian troops taking away from Georgian ****nals around Gori. What trucks are these? are the artillery pieces D-30 guns?

Trophies? I see georgian soldiers manning their stuff. Anything wrong with it?

Mousepad
08-15-2008, 06:14 AM
@TheArmenian are you sure it's war trophies, coz they look like Georgian troops in both pics. not Toyota - Mitsubishi L-???

Kutuzov
08-15-2008, 06:15 AM
Interesting when the journalist asks the soldier why he is wearing Georgian camo, and he replies that its not Georgian camo (its US issue digital camo). Wondering whether it was taken from a dead Georgian soldier or did they abandon thier uniforms like on the Abkhazian/Black Sea front.

You got it wrong those are not russian soldiers.To clarify they dont speak Russian properly.
Look at their mic mouth piece its fake look at the coloring and quality.

edi213009
08-15-2008, 06:19 AM
The danas are with russians but pickup and the trucks seem to be georgian.who knows if its more comfortable the ride on top of Danas than Bmp

TheArmenian
08-15-2008, 06:22 AM
My mistake. I stand corrected. I believe these are the Georgians retreating in panic from Gori.

Found the photos here: http://talks.guns.ru/forummessage/63/349874-3.html

GazB
08-15-2008, 06:23 AM
These guys look too old to be typical Russian soldiers. They look more like a cast of actors.

Keep in mind that if they are troops from the local Russian federation military forces they will be from Northern Ossetia, which is the closest region. I would expect quite a few volunteers reinlisted for the job.

Kutuzov
08-15-2008, 06:23 AM
These guys look too old to be typical Russian soldiers. They look more like a cast of actors.

Not many well groomed blondes in Russian army for sure.

TheArmenian
08-15-2008, 06:29 AM
http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/8752/1434087dw3.jpg
This is a war trophy (Land Rover) taken by the Chechen contingent.

RuLavan
08-15-2008, 06:30 AM
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/9606/1434834io3.jpg

UNDER NEW MANAGEMENT:)

Czech made DANA self propelled artllery taken over by Russian troops around the city of Gori.

WRONG. It's photo of georgian retreat from Gory to Tbilisi. Later six Dana's, by account of the german journalist was abandoned on the road (3 of them photographed by another journalist). Few of them may be was towed away by russians later, and I hear of at least one Dana in our possesion, but do not see any photos of the throphy yet.

KoTeMoRe
08-15-2008, 06:33 AM
http://img.alibaba.com/photo/11910113/New_Hilux_2_5l_Diesel.jpg

HiLux it is...

General Pacepa
08-15-2008, 09:29 AM
[quote=Shturman;2538920]Voennoe delo - S-300 vs. Patriot documentary in russian

http://video.rutube.ru/3363f1eb542e5833a9ea074a1a945d7d
What is the conclusion ,is the S-300 beter than the Patriot

m.i.t
08-15-2008, 10:13 AM
http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/8752/1434087dw3.jpg
This is a war trophy (Land Rover) taken by the Chechen contingent.

sorry kids..l m confused.

for whom fight chechens ?For Georgians or Russians ?...

Were Chechenes not fighting againist Russians ?

KoTeMoRe
08-15-2008, 10:15 AM
sorry kids..l m confused.

for whom fight chechens ?For Georgians or Russians ?...

Were Chechenes not fighting againist Russians ?

Chechen battalion within the russian army.

Wazzaap
08-15-2008, 10:17 AM
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m.i.t
08-15-2008, 10:29 AM
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/03P9fE9gpqaNQ/610x.jpg

l think this is a T-55 ...l knew that all T-55 s are out of combat service....

Norsu
08-15-2008, 10:33 AM
Those RPK magazines sure look popular.

KoTeMoRe
08-15-2008, 10:33 AM
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/03P9fE9gpqaNQ/610x.jpg

l think this is a T-55 ...l knew that all T-55 s are out of combat service....

No it's not, the question has been adressed before. Bore evacuator in the first 1/3 of the main gun. Plus bore calibre is bigger. That's a T-62.

shilka234
08-15-2008, 10:34 AM
http://www.youtube.com/v/kM50u6xdJas&feature=related

Check this out "Russian looters" played by what looks like Ukrainian actors .

The little ho chi min looks quite upset

m.i.t
08-15-2008, 10:35 AM
kotemore thanx for info.

shilka234
08-15-2008, 10:40 AM
Under new management: An ex-Georgian BMP-1 upgraded with the Ukrainian-made Shkval turret and BMP-2 style fenders.
http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/4058/bmp1mgeo16aih9.jpg (http://imageshack.us/)
credit @ Calimero2
I would say Marder style turret...

KoTeMoRe
08-15-2008, 10:46 AM
I would say Marder style turret...

No that's the Shkval Ztm-1 30mm gun...from Kharkiv.




Mit: No big deal, you're welcome.

Mathieu29
08-15-2008, 10:56 AM
No it's not, the question has been adressed before. Bore evacuator in the first 1/3 of the main gun. Plus bore calibre is bigger. That's a T-62.
Right.
But who are the Russian Army units who use these T-62s ?
Mechanized infantry division ?

KoTeMoRe
08-15-2008, 11:03 AM
Right.
But who are the Russian Army units who use these T-62s ?
Mechanized infantry division ?

Reservists of the 58th.p-)

Mathieu29
08-15-2008, 11:06 AM
Reservists of the 58th.p-)
Ok thanks :).

Mousepad
08-15-2008, 11:28 AM
[quote=Shturman;2538920]Voennoe delo - S-300 vs. Patriot documentary in russian

http://video.rutube.ru/3363f1eb542e5833a9ea074a1a945d7d
What is the conclusion ,is the S-300 beter than the Patriot

It saz S-300 have advantages over Patriot
1) it's self propelled on chasis of T-80 tank, Patriot needs a truck
2) Time of deployment S-300 - 5 min, Patriot 30-min
3) S-300 use fire-and-forget missile, Patriot missiles all the way controlled from it's command post
4) S-300 uses vertical launch, so vector of enemy attack does't matter, Patriot must be traversed
5) From the beginning - Patriot was constructed as anti-cruise missile and aircraft. S-300 as anti-ballistic (close and medium range) missiles

and don't lash on me i just translated :)

Mathieu29
08-15-2008, 11:52 AM
Reservists of the 58th.p-)
Sorry but now I have a doubt. Just found this picture :
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x28/Flex29/0017z3d0.jpg
Russian tank crew with Marpad camo ? or South Ossetians ?

V0rkutinetz
08-15-2008, 12:42 PM
mms://video.rfn.ru/rtr-vesti/144346.asf

"Vostok" in Osetia...

Jippo
08-15-2008, 12:49 PM
Sorry but now I have a doubt. Just found this picture :
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x28/Flex29/0017z3d0.jpg
Russian tank crew with Marpad camo ? or South Ossetians ?

Russian crew, Russian tank & stolen uniform.

KoTeMoRe
08-15-2008, 12:54 PM
Sorry but now I have a doubt. Just found this picture :
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x28/Flex29/0017z3d0.jpg
Russian tank crew with Marpad camo ? or South Ossetians ?

211

Nomenclature is Russian for russian platoon commander? But there are no markings on their uniforms...stolen surely, but that puts them in a heck of a trouble with their Hierarchy.

If there is any right now.

Mousepad
08-15-2008, 01:04 PM
211

Nomenclature is Russian for russian platoon commander? But there are no markings on their uniforms...stolen surely, but that puts them in a heck of a trouble with their Hierarchy.

If there is any right now.

Well i can't blame this guy. I have an exp in wearing Russian standart issue Flora and Tankers combez, also i have exp in wearing "Propper" camo - bought it for fishing, so in ergonomical terms, Russian ones suck good and proper, in hot weather it just like wearing sauna around you. For a tanker heat is a killer, and every celcium counts.

TheArmenian
08-15-2008, 01:04 PM
Guys,

I am trying to find the video about the captured Georgian equipment taken away by the Russian troops (particularly the modified BMPs etc.)

Anyone can please provide the link.

Thanks in advance.

TallGuy
08-15-2008, 01:14 PM
Here's a vid of some Russian soldiers looting. Can anyone translate what they're saying? Is this a boarding school of some sort or army barracks?

http://www.youtube.com/v/X3qID9qx8VU

Mousepad
08-15-2008, 01:33 PM
Here's a vid of some Russian soldiers looting. Can anyone translate what they're saying? Is this a boarding school of some sort or army barracks?

http://www.youtube.com/v/X3qID9qx8VU

I'll translate first 40 sec

It's barracks

-They lived in here, ****ing fagots, they had everything, good beds, plastic windows, ****in'A barracks, not like us, we lived like bums!! And in the end they ****ed. **** they had officers separate quarters. But we ****ed them
-Hey I found you some sandals
-**** them

edi213009
08-15-2008, 01:38 PM
The little ho chi min looks quite upset

he is uzbek or kazak actually

Norsu
08-15-2008, 01:38 PM
Please translate more if you can.

KoTeMoRe
08-15-2008, 01:41 PM
Well i can't blame this guy. I have an exp in wearing Russian standart issue Flora and Tankers combez, also i have exp in wearing "Propper" camo - bought it for fishing, so in ergonomical terms, Russian ones suck good and proper, in hot weather it just like wearing sauna around you. For a tanker heat is a killer, and every celcium counts.

Cynicism...mate, I don't blame. I just observe.

To be honest, I'd probably do the same (those M4 come in handy).

Flamming_Python
08-15-2008, 01:44 PM
It's an abandoned Georgian army barracks. I'll post a translated video:

http://www.youtube.com/v/TxK5pUXNJuI&hl=en&fs=1

edi213009
08-15-2008, 01:50 PM
as ABBA sang "The winner takes it all"

LEGEND
08-15-2008, 01:51 PM
he is uzbek or kazak actually

Defently not Kazak(i guess you meant Kazah, but then again no) and not uzbek, he is buryat or from one of the other nations of siberia.

KoTeMoRe
08-15-2008, 02:04 PM
as ABBA sang "The winner takes it all"

You beat me to it...

Mousepad
08-15-2008, 02:09 PM
To be honest, I'd probably do the same (those M4 come in handy).

Yep, me too :) but those M-4 sadly will be taken away afterall (from regulars) I bet Chechen and SO guys will boast like hell - "I've strangled Georgian general, and my back-flipped hatched atack killed 2 comandos, one of them was US green beret, and took THIS gun from they'r dead cold fingers". :roll:

TheArmenian
08-15-2008, 02:16 PM
as ABBA sang "The winner takes it all"

There is also the saying:

"'to the victor go the spoils."

alexz
08-15-2008, 02:16 PM
Russia hero
seemsl ike he paid with his life
mms://video.rfn.ru/rtr-vesti/144446.asf

can someone translete

KoTeMoRe
08-15-2008, 02:18 PM
Yep, me too :) but those M-4 sadly will be taken away afterall (from regulars) I bet Chechen and SO guys will boast like hell - "I've strangled Georgian general, and my back-flipped hatched atack killed 2 comandos, one of them was US green beret, and took THIS gun from they'r dead cold fingers". :roll:


All that in the face of awed Svetlana during pukazuhap-).

edi213009
08-15-2008, 02:20 PM
You beat me to it...

u know im from north like 'em:)p-)

edi213009
08-15-2008, 02:23 PM
Defently not Kazak(i guess you meant Kazah, but then again no) and not uzbek, he is buryat or from one of the other nations of siberia.

i meant from Kazakistan,Borat's country...

i wish we had somebody that precisly identifies units these guys are part.
i dont think all are from 58th army...

there was this man 16obr spetsnaz officer 3 years ago here.wish he was writing again

KoTeMoRe
08-15-2008, 02:25 PM
u know im from north like 'em:)p-)

That's what frightens me, the cold gives you woodp-). And a big nosep-).

edi213009
08-15-2008, 02:33 PM
That's what frightens me, the cold gives you woodp-). And a big nosep-).

i'm armed here too as tradition teaches...ak buried somewhere,chinese not Policani:)p-)russkie are coming,serbs-maybe:)

LEGEND
08-15-2008, 03:01 PM
i meant from Kazakistan,Borat's country...

Lol
Kazak is Cossack (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cossack) in english. Kazahs are central asian people with a country Kazahstan.

KoTeMoRe
08-15-2008, 03:03 PM
i'm armed here too as tradition teaches...ak buried somewhere,chinese not Policani:)p-)russkie are coming,serbs-maybe:)

You Kaçak, you.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/08/14/world/14gori.xlarge1.jpg

edi213009
08-15-2008, 03:26 PM
near Gori waiting foes,as somebody said Buryats not borats:):)

He219
08-15-2008, 03:44 PM
http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/7104/610xxr7.jpg

Russian servicemen sit on their armoured vehicle outside Gori, August 15, 2008. U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice on Friday called for the immediate withdrawal of Russian forces.
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A Russian tank sits stopped near a convoy of ambulances right outside Gori, August 15, 2008
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Major-General Vyacheslav Borisov (L), deputy commander of Russia's paratroopers and in command of the Gori region, speaks to Georgia's Orthodox Patriarch Ilia II as they visit the city of Gori, near South Ossetia, August 15, 2008. U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice on Friday demanded Russia withdraw all of its troops from Georgia

Alexandr
08-15-2008, 03:46 PM
Gen Borisov maybe.i dont speak russian but seems he said Sakashvili pederast hahaha

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsOdpqOIIZU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsOdpqOIIZU)


Thats not Borisov,he got mayor (pre-colonel?) stars on shoulders.actually he said "say hello to **** and Saakashvili,and tell them both that they are homos"
i would not tranlate *****,try to get it by your self :)

KoTeMoRe
08-15-2008, 03:50 PM
http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/3094/610xun0.jpg

I love Tank(er)s?

Those T-62's are some scourge.

mannelig
08-15-2008, 03:53 PM
http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/3094/610xun0.jpg


That one is great!woot:hug:

Я люблю Танюшу.
I love Tanyusha. Tanyusha is a lovely(?) name for Tanya.

StukaJr
08-15-2008, 03:56 PM
http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/3094/610xun0.jpg

I love Tank(er)s?

Those T-62's are some scourge.

I think it says "Я (heart) Танюшу" or "I (heart) Tanyushu" - endearing version of a girl's name, Tanya or Tatiana... The last two letters are rather smudged - could be "Танюшку"?

KoTeMoRe
08-15-2008, 03:58 PM
That one is great!woot:hug:

Я люблю Танюшу.
I love Tanyusha. Tanyusha is a lovely(?) name for Tanya.

Yes thank you.

Is that a laser telemeter/range finder on the 62? It seems so...

peio2
08-15-2008, 05:17 PM
I think it says "Я (heart) Танюшу" or "I (heart) Tanyushu" - endearing version of a girl's name, Tanya or Tatiana... The last two letters are rather smudged - could be "Танюшку"?

That's correct...

Kashalot
08-15-2008, 05:35 PM
Thats not Borisov,he got mayor (pre-colonel?) stars on shoulders.actually he said "say hello to **** and Saakashvili,and tell them both that they are homos"
i would not tranlate *****,try to get it by your self :)

Nope, he is not major (майор) - he is leutenant-commander (подполковник)


and tell them both that they are homos"... they are ******s" (с) :lol:

calimero2
08-15-2008, 05:41 PM
http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/3094/610xun0.jpg

Those T-62's are some scourge.

First time I see a T-62M during this conflict. All others were basic T-62's, with our without stand-off armour.

KoTeMoRe
08-15-2008, 06:06 PM
First time I see a T-62M during this conflict. All others were basic T-62's, with our without stand-off armour.

That's what I thought, it's a M version and that box over the 2A20 is indeed a laser rangefinder.

NicNZ
08-15-2008, 06:42 PM
http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/3300/340xmn0.jpg
Looks like this is one of the older Tunguska, without missiles.


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Giant cows are cause for concern.

He219
08-15-2008, 06:53 PM
Couple more ..
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A cow runs past Abkhazian rebel fighters as they return from their separatist region's border with Georgia proper near the town of Gali, some 100 km (62 miles) from Sukhumi, August 14, 2008
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A Russian serviceman reads next to a tank in Gori near South Ossetia, August 15, 2008
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flanker7
08-15-2008, 07:01 PM
Couple more 62's ..
http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/5018/610xff2.jpg

Aren't these T-55s?

flanker7
08-15-2008, 07:03 PM
http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/9094/610xkz6.jpg

4 AK-74 visible(and a VAL(?) ), all with grenade launchers! :-)

KoTeMoRe
08-15-2008, 07:15 PM
Aren't these T-55s?

Abkhaz 55's. Rifled gun can be identified as well as both the bore evacuator on the extremity of the main gun. And T-62's are "mickey mouse"...

RomanS
08-15-2008, 08:16 PM
4 AK-74 visible(and a VAL(?) ), all with grenade launchers! :-)

They are from the Batman brigade

;)

StukaJr
08-15-2008, 08:19 PM
They are from the Batman brigade

;)

:|

Why so serious?

RomanS
08-15-2008, 08:28 PM
:|

Why so serious?

Because its Friday, and I cant drink.

Undo
08-15-2008, 08:32 PM
Stuka! How are you, man?

StukaJr
08-15-2008, 08:52 PM
Stuka! How are you, man?

All is well - hope to plan a visit in Oct-Nov. Hope Friday finds you well

P.S. I thought you were banned p-)

Beirut
08-15-2008, 09:03 PM
Russian-Georgian conflict in the most interesting photos and google maps: http://vaziani.livejournal.com/2260.html

He219
08-15-2008, 10:14 PM
Whadup Undo, long time no hear!
:)

http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/3834/610xzx9.jpg

A local resident speaks to a Russian serviceman after Russian armoured vehicles arrived at a settlement Igoeti 50 km (31 miles) from Tbilisi, August 15, 2008.

Leo1
08-15-2008, 10:36 PM
Looks like this is one of the older Tunguska, without missiles.

Tunguska's always had missiles. Either they didn't bring any, or they're just hidden under the camo.

GIJOEJK
08-15-2008, 10:37 PM
http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/3300/340xmn0.jpg
Looks like this is one of the older Tunguska, without missiles.





"Older Tunguska"?? Looks like the current variant to me. Just looks like only the guns are elevated and not the missiles.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3JY-9nLay0

Xaito
08-15-2008, 10:46 PM
Whadup Undo, long time no hear!
:)

http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/3834/610xzx9.jpg

is this dog-tag on his belt a souvenir taken from some Georgian who doesn't need it anymore or is it his own?
Never seen Russian dog-tags...

Igor01
08-15-2008, 10:52 PM
Georgian president "chews over his next move":

CLICK (http://rutube.ru/tracks/929140.html?v=d01cfa06a2c03a3ad9011cc442e95892)

Kutuzov
08-15-2008, 11:10 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/XTPxyjtDwIU

Georgian journalist "shot" by Russian sniper . Do you believe this crap?

StukaJr
08-15-2008, 11:16 PM
Georgian president "chews over his next move":

CLICK (http://rutube.ru/tracks/929140.html?v=d01cfa06a2c03a3ad9011cc442e95892)

Haha! Wow!

I used to eat my "Pionerskiy Galstuk" right before reccess for lunch after I found that the particular material tasted like pretzels p-)

3rdMillhouse
08-15-2008, 11:17 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/XTPxyjtDwIU

Georgian journalist "shot" by Russian sniper . Do you believe this crap?

The sniper used a slingshot? a BB gun?

NicNZ
08-16-2008, 12:31 AM
Tunguska's always had missiles. Either they didn't bring any, or they're just hidden under the camo.

I have seen old pictures of what appear to be Tunguskas but without missile pods. Though I have just checked the history of the vehicle and I see that you are correct; all Tunguska variants have had missiles. Perhaps the images I saw were simply early models in testing. Now I wish I could find those pictures since they dont seem to be common.

Andarius-Militarius
08-16-2008, 12:38 AM
It's an abandoned Georgian army barracks. I'll post a translated video:

http://www.youtube.com/v/TxK5pUXNJuI&hl=en&fs=1

This actually reveals problems with Russian military. However I doubt that all Georgian military bases were as nice as this one. Wasn't this supposed to be thier best (showcase).

Occasionally though you do come across nice looking barrackes like the Georgian one. Here's an example of a "nice-looking" Russian base in the Stavropol Region.

http://i37.*******.com/ru4pdu.jpg

scrybe
08-16-2008, 12:58 AM
The sniper used a slingshot? a BB gun?

Absolute speculation, but it is definitely a small hole and I didn't see an exit wound. It looks like their is a small lump near the entry wound. Kinda fast for welting, so she may have taken the casing or a piece of the bullet from a ricochet. Whether or not the bullet was intended for her in the first place is anyone's guess.

RuLavan
08-16-2008, 02:32 AM
Occasionally though you do come across nice looking barrackes like the Georgian one. Here's an example of a "nice-looking" Russian base in the Stavropol Region.

http://i37.*******.com/ru4pdu.jpg
It's base of the 205th motorifle brigade and, on the left, homes of aviation regiment.

Many of the contract regiments and brigades of the NCMD (СКВО) have similar bases, and with definetly better living conditions then georgian one on video. So, soldiers from video either non-contract or non-NCMD troops.

Calanen
08-16-2008, 02:46 AM
The sniper used a slingshot? a BB gun?

She got grazed by a bullet. Just because the reporter was Georgian, doesnt mean the sniper was Russian. Seems a whole heap of different people are shooting at journalists at the moment.

Kutuzov
08-16-2008, 03:35 AM
She got grazed by a bullet. Just because the reporter was Georgian, doesnt mean the sniper was Russian. Seems a whole heap of different people are shooting at journalists at the moment.

I don’t by that, not even a scratch is present and she was smiling afterwards just like the Turkish video how the hell they survive?

TallGuy
08-16-2008, 04:35 AM
You can see blood on her arm in the video. A reaction such as hers is quite common after a near death experience....

mannelig
08-16-2008, 06:03 AM
During onflict Russia captured:
65 tanks (20 were destroyed later as old/broken)
5 anti-aircraft systems "Osa"
15 BMP-2s
D-30 howitzers
Czeh howitzers
American APCs

764 M-16s
28 MGs M-40
754 AKs

http://rus.delfi.ee/daily/ossetia/article.php?id=19621648&l=fplink

calimero2
08-16-2008, 06:07 AM
During onflict Russia captured:

American APCs

http://rus.delfi.ee/daily/ossetia/article.php?id=19621648&l=fplink

OK, I wonder what that turns out to be in the end...

edi213009
08-16-2008, 06:21 AM
They are from the Batman brigade

;)

U mean thisp-)

mannelig
08-16-2008, 06:24 AM
OK, I wonder what that turns out to be in the end...

Anythig with wheels and armour made in USA :D

TheArmenian
08-16-2008, 07:42 AM
American APCs.

OK, I wonder what that turns out to be in the end...

They are probably talking about the Turkish made COBRAs. Case of mistaken identity.

We have seen at least a couple of them captured by the S. Ossetians and being put to use in their own army.

Rommelz88
08-16-2008, 08:14 AM
Russias power!

mannelig
08-16-2008, 08:17 AM
During onflict Russia captured:
65 tanks (20 were destroyed later as old/broken)
5 anti-aircraft systems "Osa"
15 BMP-2s
D-30 howitzers
Czeh howitzers
American APCs

764 M-16s
28 MGs M-40
754 AKs

http://rus.delfi.ee/daily/ossetia/article.php?id=19621648&l=fplink

Quoted myself :D

Video
http://news.ntv.ru/138258/

Kangars
08-16-2008, 08:25 AM
Georgian president "chews over his next move":

CLICK (http://rutube.ru/tracks/929140.html?v=d01cfa06a2c03a3ad9011cc442e95892)

This has made my day! Tnx!

calimero2
08-16-2008, 08:38 AM
Captured georgian equipment, video:

http://news.ntv.ru/138258/

From the General Discussion thread. I can ID T-72A and B models with Kontakt-1, a GT-Mu, an "Oka" SAM launcher, a BMP-1 with Shkval turret, a BTR-80, a BMP-2, an M-77 Dana and an M2 .50 cal.

despirit
08-16-2008, 08:59 AM
Is there any thing left from Georgian army???

RuLavan
08-16-2008, 09:08 AM
Is there any thing left from Georgian army???
Sure. Russia confiscate only about 1/4 of their tanks p-)

BTW another video http://zvezdanews.ru/video/day_events/0020343/

themacedonian
08-16-2008, 09:08 AM
http://www.nasdaq.com/aspxcontent/NewsStory.aspx?cpath=20080815%5cACQDJON200808150606DOWJONESDJONLINE000377.htm

Russia Seizes ****nal Of US Weapons In Georgia - Military




MOSCOW (AFP)--Russian forces have seized a "large ****nal" of U.S.-made weapons in the western Georgian city of Senaki including hundreds of assault rifles, a military spokesman said Friday.
"In Senaki, we seized a large ****nal of weapons including 664 U.S.-made M-16 rifles" and a number of M-40 sniper rifles, General Anatoly Nogovitsyn told a news conference in Moscow. "There were 1,728 weapons total."

intelligenzija
08-16-2008, 09:15 AM
http://www.nasdaq.com/aspxcontent/NewsStory.aspx?cpath=20080815%5cACQDJON200808150606DOWJONESDJONLINE000377.htm

Russia Seizes ****nal Of US Weapons In Georgia - Military




MOSCOW (AFP)--Russian forces have seized a "large ****nal" of U.S.-made weapons in the western Georgian city of Senaki including hundreds of assault rifles, a military spokesman said Friday.
"In Senaki, we seized a large ****nal of weapons including 664 U.S.-made M-16 rifles" and a number of M-40 sniper rifles, General Anatoly Nogovitsyn told a news conference in Moscow. "There were 1,728 weapons total."

good job!

any pictures?

RuLavan
08-16-2008, 09:20 AM
good job!

any pictures?

Videos of captured AFV http://news.ntv.ru/138258/ http://zvezdanews.ru/video/day_events/0020343/

TheArmenian
08-16-2008, 09:22 AM
Sure. Russia confiscate only about 1/4 of their tanks p-)

BTW another video http://zvezdanews.ru/video/day_events/0020343/

Further to calimero's post identifying the equipment in the first video. I could see in this second video a BTR-80, some D-30 guns as well as various small arms, RPGs, ammunition etc.

I could not identify the mortars.
I believe the machine gun was a Uytes.

_GDS_
08-16-2008, 09:29 AM
And one more video about Georgian military hardware "parade" in Cchinvali city:

http://www.vesti.ru/videos?vid=144768&...=201563&p=1

calimero2
08-16-2008, 09:30 AM
They are probably talking about the Turkish made COBRAs. Case of mistaken identity.

That's correct: in one of the footages, a Cobra was shown while the Russian officer presented it as "American BRDM (recce vehicle) Scorpion".

despirit
08-16-2008, 09:41 AM
what the hell did Georgians do, march their army in to SO and surrender... lol

buffalosoldier92
08-16-2008, 09:44 AM
The Georgians have some pretty good equipment... but, their tanks are lacking (I think they're using T-55s), and, they have no designated fighters, just ground attack and CAS aircraft.

Those are some awesome pictures of the Russian Army!

themacedonian
08-16-2008, 09:55 AM
The Georgians have some pretty good equipment... but, their tanks are lacking (I think they're using T-55s), and, they have no designated fighters, just ground attack and CAS aircraft.

Those are some awesome pictures of the Russian Army!

Actually mostly t-72 with reactive armour.

KoTeMoRe
08-16-2008, 11:09 AM
Has any BTR3U or BTR4 been found in Georgia?

Snoshi
08-16-2008, 11:20 AM
what the hell did Georgians do, march their army in to SO and surrender... lol

I will wait for full report on Russian and South Ossetia militia casulties before drawing my conclusions.

LEGEND
08-16-2008, 12:17 PM
Sure. Russia confiscate only about 1/4 of their tanks p-)

BTW another video http://zvezdanews.ru/video/day_events/0020343/


Here you go:
http://video.rutube.ru/10b489708ed6bb156cb9d8ef9e7a76ae

mannelig
08-16-2008, 02:12 PM
New Camo?
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3179/2753775028_7721a6a4c1.jpg?v=0
http://www.flickr.com/photos/theatrum-belli/2753775028/in/set-72157606625660548/

haze99
08-16-2008, 04:06 PM
When you watch that video interview of Russian Officer and the captured equipment look close at the small arms on the table. You can see an M-4 carbine, Hungarian AMD-65 (AKMS) yes, Georgian's got them, a Romanian Model-1990 (AKMS) and what appears to be a 3rd model AK-47?
The only other American supplies are the M-35, 2 1/2-ton truck. No APC's as mentioned in the video.

I won't repost the picture, but I have seen some of the Russian soldiers wearing US-style BDU caps in KLMK camo. Seems the style has caught on there too?

1911-a1
08-16-2008, 04:51 PM
Hey guys, Im still interested in that up-armored BTR-80. Did we ever figure out what kit it was? Does anyone have any more pics of it?

Mackey
08-16-2008, 05:10 PM
This is well worth a look. A Russian forum with a whole thread devoted to the recent Georgian conflict. A great deal of destroyed vehicles, tanks and even a couple of after-ambush shots.

*WARNING* there are also a lot of very graphic photos. Corpses, corpses on fire, injured and mutilated soldiers, open gunshot wounds. Don't say I didn't warn you..............:bash:

Finarvas
08-16-2008, 05:21 PM
New Camo?

It's been around for a while... Made by different companies but Modox calls it "Sklon".
http://modox.ru/?p=37

Bruisercruiser
08-16-2008, 05:30 PM
Great find but the website you posted was already the topic of another thread posted about a week ago. I couldn't find it but it may have been deleted.

IDF_TANKER
08-16-2008, 06:10 PM
There is something profoundly wrong with people taking these pictures (for other than strictly professional purposes, e.g. forensics specialists etc) and people watching them. Sick.

thunderbird84
08-16-2008, 06:34 PM
There is something profoundly wrong with people taking these pictures (for other than strictly professional purposes, e.g. forensics specialists etc) and people watching them. Sick.

These photos do show the real face of war, just to make some people think twice before raising the "war's flag" to figure out a specific issue.

kosse
08-16-2008, 06:39 PM
There is something profoundly wrong with people taking these pictures (for other than strictly professional purposes, e.g. forensics specialists etc) and people watching them. Sick.

Might be good to make it compulsory for all the flag waving war mongering idiots to look through a collection of photos like this to clear their heads before posting if that's possible.

DID
08-16-2008, 07:24 PM
There is something profoundly wrong with people taking these pictures (for other than strictly professional purposes, e.g. forensics specialists etc) and people watching them. Sick.
I totaly agree with you, sure this is real side of war but taking pictures of such things and post them as trophy...:-(
for info the soldiers wo took and who are on the pictures are from "Vostok" battalion so it explain this taste for blood and gore.

DID
08-16-2008, 07:26 PM
Might be good to make it compulsory for all the flag waving war mongering idiots to look through a collection of photos like this to clear their heads before posting if that's possible.
put them on bedside table of mrs Putin, Saakash, and fellows who start wars because they are proud patriot, or religious...

Lau
08-16-2008, 07:30 PM
might be good to make it compulsory for all the flag waving war mongering idiots to look through a collection of photos like this to clear their heads before posting if that's possible.

qft!

123456

I Wonder how the LAW ended up in Georgia?

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b306/Lau_HC/law.jpg

Valkyries
08-16-2008, 07:40 PM
damn in pic 55 looks like to guy was lucky,

VPR
08-16-2008, 07:40 PM
some really horrible pictures there

Lau
08-16-2008, 07:41 PM
damn in pic 55 looks like to guy was lucky,

Very lucky indeed!!

CannoncockerUSMC
08-16-2008, 07:45 PM
Clearly the Georgians have had their ass kicked. Clearly the US Army and Marine advisors FAILED.

Clearly it was a clusterfuc$ from the get go. That little weird bastard, te president of Georgia is a nutjob froot loop. Where do we get such lackeys? Was he the best possible lackey we could get???? WTF?:bash:

INAT
08-16-2008, 07:46 PM
I gotta give it to these fighters in these pictures gun shot wounds,lacerations,hemorrhaging and not one expression of pain.

They are some tough customers.

1911-a1
08-16-2008, 07:50 PM
qft!

123456

I Wonder how the LAW ended up in Georgia?

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b306/Lau_HC/law.jpg

Well its an RPG-22, not an M72 law.

Lau
08-16-2008, 07:52 PM
Well its an RPG-22, not an M72 law.

Well there you have it...

I'll shut up now. :oops:

Tokamak
08-16-2008, 07:53 PM
This webpage has been posted before, the link was erased and the tread locked.

LEGEND
08-16-2008, 08:08 PM
damn in pic 55 looks like to guy was lucky,

Would have been luckier if he had body armor.

Kashalot
08-16-2008, 08:10 PM
It's been around for a while... Made by different companies but Modox calls it "Sklon".
http://modox.ru/?p=37

Not "sklon" (slope), but "skol" - "chip"

Arian
08-16-2008, 08:41 PM
Here's a vid of some Russian soldiers looting

WOW! No offense, but from what I see of the performance of the Russian army in this conflict, one should put some serious thought into this "performance".

These were "front-line" troops, not some reservists. And the Russian Army went in there with junk like T-72Bs and even T-62s. The soldiers look like a rag-tag group. Stealing even unfiroms? Stealing slippers? Stealing banks? Yeah to the victor go the spoils...the slippers.

If this sort of equipment, discipline and performance is indicative of the rest of the Russian army (and these guys in the Caucases should be the most combat-experienced troops and more on the "front-lines" than other units), than I don't see how such an army could ever compare to a western military.

Mr.K
08-16-2008, 11:35 PM
WOW! No offense, but from what I see of the performance of the Russian army in this conflict, one should put some serious thought into this "performance".

These were "front-line" troops, not some reservists. And the Russian Army went in there with junk like T-72Bs and even T-62s. The soldiers look like a rag-tag group. Stealing even unfiroms? Stealing slippers? Stealing banks? Yeah to the victor go the spoils...the slippers.

If this sort of equipment, discipline and performance is indicative of the rest of the Russian army (and these guys in the Caucases should be the most combat-experienced troops and more on the "front-lines" than other units), than I don't see how such an army could ever compare to a western military.

Yes the russian equipment that was used in the conflict is not impressive, and the russian soldier lives in less comfortable conditions than his western counterparts and despite all that, the well equipped, US trained georgians had more casualties, lost equipment, abandoned equipment and fled!

Maybe Russia will spend more money on it's army once the conflict is over.

Lokos
08-16-2008, 11:46 PM
These were "front-line" troops, not some reservists. And the Russian Army went in there with junk like T-72Bs and even T-62s. The soldiers look like a rag-tag group. Stealing even unfiroms? Stealing slippers? Stealing banks? Yeah to the victor go the spoils...the slippers.

If this sort of equipment, discipline and performance is indicative of the rest of the Russian army (and these guys in the Caucases should be the most combat-experienced troops and more on the "front-lines" than other units), than I don't see how such an army could ever compare to a western military.

The 58th Army never has been and never will be a first-tier formation in the Russian armed forces. Whilst some (I repeat: SOME) of these men have combat experience in Chechnya, most are, in fact, conscripts who would have little to none. The best Russian formations (those in and around the Moscow MD, the RFE etc) were not used in this conflict. The reason why the 58th still has tanks like T62s in its motor pool is simple; army military-technical organization staff did not believe the existent Caucasian threats warranted the presence of more advanced means (the most advanced T72s, T80s, T90s) or better formations (the 131st Moto-Rifle Brigade, for example, is considered a highly proficient all-professional unit, and only has elements in Abkhazia, not in S. Ossetia or Georgia).

Please use your brain when making statements like the above. Simpletons watch only face-value imagery. Analytical thinkers look deeper. Be more analytical.

L.

Kutuzov
08-17-2008, 12:00 AM
WOW! No offense, but from what I see of the performance of the Russian army in this conflict, one should put some serious thought into this "performance".

These were "front-line" troops, not some reservists. And the Russian Army went in there with junk like T-72Bs and even T-62s. The soldiers look like a rag-tag group. Stealing even unfiroms? Stealing slippers? Stealing banks? Yeah to the victor go the spoils...the slippers.

If this sort of equipment, discipline and performance is indicative of the rest of the Russian army (and these guys in the Caucases should be the most combat-experienced troops and more on the "front-lines" than other units), than I don't see how such an army could ever compare to a western military.

Western trained Gergians got owned big time that explaines alot to me , yes this propably were mostly 58th army conscripts so they performed very well indeed.

1911-a1
08-17-2008, 12:11 AM
Thanks for the info :D

Bruisercruiser
08-17-2008, 12:32 AM
Yes the russian equipment that was used in the conflict is not impressive, and the russian soldier lives in less comfortable conditions than his western counterparts and despite all that, the well equipped, US trained georgians had more casualties, lost equipment, abandoned equipment and fled!

Maybe Russia will spend more money on it's army once the conflict is over.

How well trained the Georgian Army was really isn't an issue here because they were overwhelmed by Russian quantity, not necessary world beating quality. Did you really think Georgia stood a chance at defending their homeland?

ult
08-17-2008, 12:32 AM
As far as I know there is no conscripts in SO. There are 135 regiment of 58th Army which is contract troops only. Not sure for 100%, but seen article about it while ago. Also VDV and GRU professionals only.

About helmets and body armor - they simply don't wear them, don't ask me why. May be because it don't save from AK bullets, but I guess it saves from shell's. In the last few days there was a couple articles in russian press about it, that officers should order their soldiers to wear body armor, as it could minimize casualties.


How well trained the Georgian Army was really isn't an issue here because they were overwhelmed by Russian quantity, not necessary world beating quality. Did you really think Georgia stood a chance at defending their homeland?

In SO and Abkhazia only about 12-15 thousands of Russian soldiers (2-3 days ago). And that was confirmed by US intelligence. Not much compare to 30 thousands of Georgian army and 100 thousands of reservists.

Lokos
08-17-2008, 12:46 AM
As far as I know there is no conscripts in SO. There are 135 regiment of 58th Army which is contract troops only. Not sure for 100%, but seen article about it while ago. Also VDV and GRU professionals only.

That's false. The bulk of the 58th Army is not composed of contract troops. Look at the ORBAT of the 58th. Plenty of conscripts that were deployed to SO. These include men from the 19th Motor Rifle Division, 205th Separate Moto-Rifle Brigade and 136th Guards Separate Moto-Rifle Brigade. The 135th Sep. Moto-Rifle Regiment does not have access to the armored forces evident in SO. And the bulk of the VDV deployment is in Abkhazia, where the VDV troops that destroyed Georgian military infrastructure in Poti deployed from.


How well trained the Georgian Army was really isn't an issue here because they were overwhelmed by Russian quantity, not necessary world beating quality

Also false. As I have said here - and elsewhere (this speculation was validated by US estimates) - the Georgians were not numerically inferior to the Russian forces in-theater. Between the 8th and the 9th, approximately 7-9,000 Russian forces were deployed against two brigades of the Georgian LF (6,000 troops and 60 AFVs) and a separate tank battalion (~60 AFVs). This strength (up to 9,000) was only achieved by constant reinforcement, and does not reflect the actual strength deployed against the Georgians at any given time. That is to say, there were likely fewer than 9,000 RF troops in combat with the Georgian forces at any time prior to the 10th of August. By the 12th, there were likely 12-14,000 Russian servicemen in SO, Abkhazia and Georgia. The sum of Georgia's LF is just above 30,000 troops. In terms of quantity, the disparity your post suggests didn't exist.

L.

Arian
08-17-2008, 12:56 AM
and despite all that, the well equipped, US trained georgians had more casualties, lost equipment, abandoned equipment and fled!


You guys like to throw this around a lot, "US trained". US "trained" them for what it needed them, Iraq. The training didn't involve in the least bit anything to do with frontal militrary confrontation. It taught them how to patrol around in "peackeeping duties". So you can keep saying it all you want, it doesn't make it true. US "trains" Albanian troops too, but only for such things as Iraq duties, essencially training that has no value at all in combat.

As for casualties, 100+ Russians plus probably a few hundred Ossetions, for 200-300 Georgian troops. I wouldn't call that stellar performance on part of the Russian army.

Georgia's army never had a chance, simply because of its size, but I susspect its melting away had more to do with politics in Tbilisi than anything else.


The 58th Army never has been and never will be a first-tier formation in the Russian armed forces. Whilst some (I repeat: SOME) of these men have combat experience in Chechnya, most are, in fact, conscripts who would have little to none. The best Russian formations (those in and around the Moscow MD, the RFE etc) were not used in this conflict. The reason why the 58th still has tanks like T62s in its motor pool is simple; army military-technical organization staff did not believe the existent Caucasian threats warranted the presence of more advanced means (the most advanced T72s, T80s, T90s) or better formations (the 131st Moto-Rifle Brigade, for example, is considered a highly proficient all-professional unit, and only has elements in Abkhazia, not in S. Ossetia or Georgia).

Please use your brain when making statements like the above. Simpletons watch only face-value imagery. Analytical thinkers look deeper. Be more analytical.


Hey there professor. The Russian troops involved were from various units from various regions (including "elite" units stationed further up north that were in the area for training), as well as VDV and Naval troops. The Caucas region is the most tense region, where you have Chechnya, Dagestan, Georgia and all the other things that come with it, Armenia and the rest as well as being the most tense and strategic region where Russian troops are stationed.

Saying that their "elite" troops are around Moscow isn't saying much. Good going to have them aroung Moscow. I'd say these troops in Ossetia these days are more representative of the vast majority of the Russian Army, not those 2-3 units around Moscow for parade purposes. And these units which clearly were "prepared" and "front-line" (becuase if the Caucas isn't the front line, Moscow certain isn't) to react within 2 days of the start of conflict...went in there with ancient equipment looking like they just came out of Afghanistan, with a T-72B Model 1989 being the most modern piece of equipment available, with soldiers that barely wore the same type of unfirom (or shoes, or slippers), with the tactics about as brillient as Grozny 1995 (luckily for the Russians the Georgians were worst). Discipline seems no beter improved than Grozny 1995 either. Stealing uniforms?

T-62s aren't even the issue, because T-72Bs aren't exaclty a leap foreward from there.

The point is, the parades in Moscow seem to hardly represent the state of the Russian military, as this conflict clearly exposed. Saying their best units are in Moscow, is saying that they'r only for show because the vast majority still remains an army out of the 80s. Not just the qeuipment, but the tactics too and the soldiers look like a rag-tag bunch

Arian
08-17-2008, 01:00 AM
And the units with T-62s are contract units. If these guys aren't "front line", then who is? Or do Russians consider as "front line" units only those that look the pritiest for parades in Moscow, but the other 95% of the army that isn't, is just "conscripts which aren't really that important to the big picture". Hmm.

Kutuzov
08-17-2008, 01:07 AM
This is a Russian photos thread. I dont see many photos.

Moriarti
08-17-2008, 01:10 AM
Question - Two of the Soldiers in these pics have a blue band around their helmet. Are they Military Police - or is that marking indicative of something else?

Pics @ FOXNEWS (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,405041,00.html)

ult
08-17-2008, 01:14 AM
As for casualties, 100+ Russians plus probably a few hundred Ossetions, for 200-300 Georgian troops. I wouldn't call that stellar performance on part of the Russian army.
There is no official casualties of georgian army. At least I don't believe them, we talk about saakashvili. The only thing i'm sure is that there about 200 captured. And I guess far more than 200-300 georgian troops were killed.


Question - Two of the Soldiers in these pics have a blue band around their helmet. Are they Military Police - or is that marking indicative of something else?

Pics @ FOXNEWS (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,405041,00.html)
peacekeepers.

Alexandr
08-17-2008, 01:18 AM
Question - Two of the Soldiers in these pics have a blue band around their helmet. Are they Military Police - or is that marking indicative of something else?

Pics @ FOXNEWS (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,405041,00.html)


Thats marking of Peacekeeping Forces,that was presented in SO for 16 years under UN mandate - 500 georgian/500 russian/500 ossetian due to Dagomiss agreement.As well military veciles marked with blue round and words MC - "Миротворческие Силы" - "Peacekeeping Forces"
As well there are same MC presented for 15 years in Abkazia - over 2500 kontingent,but not joint,only Russian.

Lokos
08-17-2008, 01:19 AM
The Russian troops involved were from various units from various regions (including "elite" units stationed further up north that were in the area for training), as well as VDV and Naval troops.

No - all formations involved are from the TC Military District. Of the 42nd MRD two companies of the two Chechen battalions were involved. The VDV forces (one regiment of the 76th Guards Airborne Div; the 104th) were deployed in Abkhazia (and were evident in the destruction of Georgian facilities in Poti). Then there were two battalions from the 33rd Separate Moto-Rifle Brigade. The bulk of the troops involved were from the 136th and 205th MRBs and 19th MRD. That is to say, the 58th Army. And we speak mostly of elements from each (individual regiments and battalions).


The Caucas region is the most tense region, where you have Chechnya, Dagestan, Georgia and all the other things that come with it

Chechnya is held by the 42nd MRD, not the 58th Army. There are MVD and GRU forces in place to tackle internal issues (there are four MVD divisions - the 2nd, 54th, 99th and 100th Operational Designation Divisions - and four separate brigades - the 22nd, 26th, 46th and 102nd brigades - as well as the 15th 'Scythian' OMON Regiment deployed in the NC). The 58th Army is a general purpose, second tier army primarily envisioned to handle problems in a low AFV threat environment. Lots of recon elements, plenty of artillery and enough motorized infantry to get them around.


Saying that their "elite" troops are around Moscow isn't saying much. Good going to have them aroung Moscow. I'd say these troops in Ossetia these days are more representative of the vast majority of the Russian Army, not those 2-3 units around Moscow for parade purposes.

2-3 units? What, exactly, is your perception of the size of the Moscow MD? The 2nd Guards Tamanskaya Moto-Rifle Division is frequently cited as Russia's best unit in that category. But the Moscow MD also disposes of 20th Guards Army (2x Tank Divisions) and 22nd Army (3rd Guards Moto-Rifle Division), 27th Separate Moto-Rifle Brigade, 106th Guards Airborne Div, 98th Guards Airborne Div and very large quantities of aircraft, artillery and rocket forces.

The Moscow MD by size alone is larger than most states' military institutions entire.


And these units which clearly were "prepared" and "front-line" (becuase if the Caucas isn't the front line, Moscow certain isn't) to react within 2 days of the start of conflict...went in there with ancient equipment looking like they just came out of Afghanistan, with a T-72B Model 1989 being the most modern piece of equipment available, with soldiers that barely wore the same type of unfirom (or shoes, or slippers), with the tactics about as brillient as Grozny 1995 (luckily for the Russians the Georgians were worst)

And, pray tell, what were the tactics of the Russians that were as 'brillient' as those used in Grozny 1995?


The point is, the parades in Moscow seem to hardly represent the state of the Russian military, as this conflict clearly exposed. Saying their best units are in Moscow, is saying that they'r only for show because the vast majority still remains an army out of the 80s. Not just the qeuipment, but the tactics too and the soldiers look like a rag-tag bunch

I see. The 'qeuipment' is terrible, the tactics are terrible, the soldiers are rag-tag. I really don't know what that says of the Georgians, who lasted all of two days against such a rabble. Truly, it is a wonder that Russian forces are rated so highly, generally, when military professionals such as yourself are there to present us with such lucid evidence of their lack of combat worthiness.


And the units with T-62s are contract units.

The Russians have enough T72s to outfit the current Russian army three or four times over. The usage of T62s (most likely not by the contracted 135th MRR) tells you... what? I have an answer in mind, but I am curious as to see what a person such as yourself comes up with.

L.

digrar
08-17-2008, 01:59 AM
If you all want this thread locked, and your accounts suspended or banned, keep on going, otherwise, post some pics of Russian Military and keep your comments to yourselves.

machinegun_gogo
08-17-2008, 03:03 AM
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3181/2768692974_a8d1bc45fb_o.jpg
A Russian soldier holds a hand grenade as he rests after digging trenches in Igoeti, northwest of the capital Tbilisi, Georgia, Saturday, Aug. 16, 2008.

calimero2
08-17-2008, 03:27 AM
That's an F-1 by the way.

VitalyVK
08-17-2008, 01:50 PM
New Camo?
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3179/2753775028_7721a6a4c1.jpg?v=0
http://www.flickr.com/photos/theatrum-belli/2753775028/in/set-72157606625660548/

These guys are from 45-th ORP VDV from Moscow region, Their regiment was sent to SO to provide recon missions for VDV troops.

I posted pics with this cammo, they used it for pokazuha

http://www.flamber.ru/files/photos/1211922554/1215119193_g.jpg

edi213009
08-17-2008, 07:03 PM
there was a quote in "Once upon a time in the West":
<<Something to do with death>>

Flamming_Python
08-17-2008, 07:43 PM
Many soldiers would find this war meaningless, in fact most people in Russia and Georgia still have no idea why it happened at all. However, this doesn't imply anything about the actual morale of the Russian forces in Georgia.

Big D
08-17-2008, 08:39 PM
more pictures from Georgia

WARNING contains GRAPHIC images

http://www.navoine.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?p=551

Andarius-Militarius
08-18-2008, 01:26 AM
Just finished watching "Incident in Square 36-80" Mosfilm Studios 1982. (Russian Cold-War film) It shows Tu-16s, Yak-38s, and Kiev-Class aircraft carriers in action (well sort of).

Its avaliable on GoogleVideo right now. Just google in "Случай в квадрате 36-80".

Overall the film seems similar to the American Cold War films of the 1980s.

Mangol
08-18-2008, 02:39 AM
entertainment in the Russian army.:) violinist
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7TGezvnCeQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7TGezvnCeQ

GazB
08-18-2008, 04:14 AM
Looks like this is one of the older Tunguska, without missiles.


No. The oldest model Tunguska to make service was the 2S6, and it has the same guns but only 4 missiles instead of the normal 8 missiles. It entered service in about 1984 or so. The 2S6M with 8 missiles soon replaced it in service.

Obviously the missiles don't have to be fitted, and it is certainly possible that this might be a specialised model without missiles for the ground support role, but looking at most of the other vehicles being used I would expect this is a standard 2S6M with the missiles not fitted to improve concealment (or very well concealed missiles).


Perhaps the images I saw were simply early models in testing. Now I wish I could find those pictures since they dont seem to be common.

They are missiles, and don't actually have to be fitted for the vehicle to operate. Obviously that limits the vehicle to targets within 4km range, but I really don't see enemy airpower as being a huge threat.


These photos do show the real face of war, just to make some people think twice before raising the "war's flag" to figure out a specific issue.

I agree... so many kids watch cartoons where all the animals in the zoo get together and instead of tearing each other apart they all get together and plan to escape to the wild. Even some adults don't understand that though it is good to be humaine that at the end of the day if it is a fight to the death no rules apply... and that goes for every animal including humans.


These were "front-line" troops, not some reservists. And the Russian Army went in there with junk like T-72Bs and even T-62s.

If they were front line first line troops they would have more modern equipment, especially in regard to their vehicles. The reality is that the Russians knew from last time that the South Ossetians and the Abkhazians could probably manage another stalemate and that Russian forces in the region would be enough to stop the Georgians doing what they tried to do. If they moved their first line troops to the region the US would have a hissy fit about it all being planned in advance. Even now they are claiming this was all a plan by Russia and that Saakashvili fell for their trap. It seems they think it better to consider him a fool for falling into the trap than the total cun| that he actually is for trying to start WWIII.

War in the region basically needed Saakahvili to be a total idiot. The west probably had a better indication he was going to attack than the Russians did. The Russians were no doubt monitoring Georgian forces and their build up and made sure they had sufficient forces to counter those forces. It seems they were both right and ready. Full credit to them. If the Georgians can kill 1,500 civilians in one night how many would be dead by now if the Russians had ignored them?


Yes the russian equipment that was used in the conflict is not impressive, and the russian soldier lives in less comfortable conditions than his western counterparts and despite all that, the well equipped, US trained georgians had more casualties, lost equipment, abandoned equipment and fled!

Maybe Russia will spend more money on it's army once the conflict is over.

Maybe they shouldn't??? Should also mention that the US trained Georgians didn't seem to bother sorting civilian from military target whereas the Russians seem to have actually made an effort in that regard.


That's an F-1 by the way.

Does anyone have pictures and information about the new hand grenades they have. The ones with the impact fuses?
Also for those with inside knowledge are the new grenades popular... they seem so rare. In fact most of the time you only see the under barrel 40mm grenades rather than hand grenades.

The most common new piece of kit in view seems to be the pecheneg LMG.

BTW here is an interesting new Rifle I hadn't seen before:
http://www.kbptula.ru/eng/str/strelk/556a91.htm

TheArmenian
08-18-2008, 05:34 AM
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/3576/81793676zt9.jpg

Photo taken on 17 August 2008.

Not far from Novorossisk.

The cruiser MOSKVA

More photos here: http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/alexandertms/view/103048/

Thank you Alexander.

He219
08-18-2008, 08:41 AM
http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/3740/610xfb2.jpg
http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/2315/610xyb9.jpg

A horse driven chart moves past a Russian soldier at a checkpoint in Khurvaleti, near Gori, Georgia, Monday, Aug. 18, 2008. Russian troops and tanks control a wide swath of Georgia, including the country's main east-west highway. Russian President Dmitry Medvedev has promised the withdrawal under terms of an EU-backed cease-fire agreement, but how quickly the troops will leave is unclear, as is exactly where they will redeploy
http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/4669/610xzl6.jpg

Russian President Dmitry Medvedev (L) stands in front of a tank at a World War Two memorial in Kursk August 18, 2008. Medvedev speaking amid the conflict with Georgia, warned on Monday that any further aggression against Russian citizen would face a "crushing response".
http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/7162/610xfk8.jpg

A Russian soldier pushes a TV journalist from a checkpoint just outside of the flashpoint city of Gori on August 18, 2008. Russian forces are heading deeper into Georgian territory from the central city of Khashuri despite a pledge to begin a pull-out from the country on Monday, a top Georgian official said.
http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/8690/610xxr4.jpg

A Russian soldier stands guard at the gate of a Georgian army base controlled by Russian troops in Senaki, western Georgia, Monday, Aug. 18, 2008. Russian President Dmitry Medvedev has promised the withdrawal under terms of an EU-backed cease-fire agreement, but how quickly the troops will leave is unclear, as is exactly where they will redeploy.
http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/9214/610xgd3.jpg

A Russian tank leaves the Senaki Military Base, a Georgian military base now occupied by Russian forces, in Senaki, Western Georgia, August 18, 2008
http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/2640/610xww3.jpg
http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/2959/610xdy0.jpg

A Georgian woman makes her way to her car as a Russian military vehicle maneuvers near the gate of a Georgian army base controlled by Russian forces in Senaki, western Georgia, Monday, Aug. 18, 2008. Russian President Dmitry Medvedev has promised the withdrawal under terms of an EU-backed cease-fire agreement, but how quickly the troops will leave is unclear, as is exactly where they will redeploy.

JohnnyWalker
08-18-2008, 11:34 AM
why are there always people who have problems with the way Russia conducts it's warfare against 8th world nations. Why is it some of you guys have an issue that Russia uses old tanks to go against older tanks? Why in the hell would Russia sent T-80's and T-90's into Georgia, if T-72's and T-62's can take out anything that Georgia had to throw at Russia.

In Vietnam and Korea did America use WWII tanks and airplanes to attack the enemy?

HS2000
08-18-2008, 11:59 AM
why are there always people who have problems with the way Russia conducts it's warfare against 8th world nations. Why is it some of you guys have an issue that Russia uses old tanks to go against older tanks? Why in the hell would Russia sent T-80's and T-90's into Georgia, if T-72's and T-62's can take out anything that Georgia had to throw at Russia.

In Vietnam and Korea did America use WWII tanks and airplanes to attack the enemy?

Yes they did:

Korea - F4U Corsair, P-51, B-26, B-29, A-26, M24 Chafee, M26 Pershing, M4 Sherman, M10, M18, M36
Nam - A-26

KoTeMoRe
08-18-2008, 12:12 PM
Yes they did:

Korea - F4U Corsair, P-51, B-26, B-29, A-26, M24 Chafee, M26 Pershing, M4 Sherman, M10, M18, M36
Nam - A-26

Do you realize that all that equipment was still fresh in 1950-1953?

edi213009
08-18-2008, 12:24 PM
lesson no.1:how to crash on a check point:)

http://tv.repubblica.it/copertina/alta-tensione/23149?video

intelligenzija
08-18-2008, 01:26 PM
lesson no.1:how to crash on a check point:)

http://tv.repubblica.it/copertina/alta-tensione/23149?video

They didn't see the cars, its really hard to see something from a bmp :D

marmot
08-18-2008, 02:07 PM
Hi guys this is my first try so forgive me if the photos are a repost.

mannelig
08-18-2008, 02:17 PM
What AT weapon could that be? (Hole in the turret)
http://de.fishki.net/picsw/082008/18/war_foto/017_war_foto.jpg

KoTeMoRe
08-18-2008, 02:26 PM
What AT weapon could that be? (Hole in the turret)
http://de.fishki.net/picsw/082008/18/war_foto/017_war_foto.jpg


That's a great shot, turret ring/gap hit maybe a 100mm HEAT from an AT Gun, Konkurs...

Snoshi
08-18-2008, 02:28 PM
I would guess that it was a tank round. Hole very big for the ATGM.

KoTeMoRe
08-18-2008, 02:48 PM
I would guess that it was a tank round. Hole very big for the ATGM.


The Ossetians had T-72s? Then again the Bore diameter of the Konkurs is 135mm and warhead weight of the Konkurs is greater of the 3BK29.

Mangol
08-18-2008, 04:22 PM
changed the video of the day of victory 2008.
this music is better suited
http://ru.youtube.com/watch?v=Dv8n9ruI9OU
http://ru.youtube.com/watch?v=Dv8n9ruI9OU

Mormaeglin
08-18-2008, 04:39 PM
Hej, Mangol, Jozhik w tumane on avatar ? ;)

He219
08-18-2008, 04:48 PM
http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/8616/610xvr1.jpg
http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/6/610xcp2.jpg

KoTeMoRe
08-18-2008, 04:55 PM
http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/8616/610xvr1.jpg
http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/6/610xcp2.jpg

Hahaha: Russian answer to Laws of Warfare.p-)

I'm horrible, this war was so senseless, as all wars, but a thousand dead bodies for nothing, I thought that was only possible in Africa (or in the balkansp-)).

entheogen
08-18-2008, 05:11 PM
How about Iraq or Afghanistan, smart-ass ?

RomanS
08-18-2008, 05:14 PM
Politics, OUT OF THIS THREAD PLEASE

NESTOR MAXNO
08-18-2008, 05:18 PM
Hahaha: Russian answer to Laws of Warfare.p-)

I'm horrible, this war was so senseless, as all wars, but a thousand dead bodies for nothing, I thought that was only possible in Africa (or in the balkansp-)).
not Russia start this war and all questions about dead to USA and his satellite Georgia.

RuLavan
08-18-2008, 05:23 PM
The Ossetians had T-72s? Then again the Bore diameter of the Konkurs is 135mm and warhead weight of the Konkurs is greater of the 3BK29.

Clashes between russian and georgian armor was reported...

Abbadon the Despoiler
08-18-2008, 05:32 PM
please comrades, pics or gtfo.

http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/8554/ascg5.jpg

KoTeMoRe
08-18-2008, 05:39 PM
How about Iraq or Afghanistan, smart-ass ?

Chill out friend, just keep in mind I come from the balkans. And Laws of Warfare is an oxymoron.:roll:
¨
ictures indeed. http://www.dhm.de/gifs/sammlungen/bildarchiv/III/puschkin/5508.jpg

tomahawk6
08-18-2008, 06:59 PM
Is this camo pattern called Partizan ? Also I have seen a number of different camo patterns worn by Russian troops. Whats the most common and why the lack of a uniform camo ? Thx

http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/7816/200881612405990b2eda74div3.jpg

entheogen
08-18-2008, 07:02 PM
tomahawk6
thats KZS/KZM.
Flora is most common one.
Uniformity is up to unit's SOP as far as I know.

KoTeMoRe
08-18-2008, 07:06 PM
Is this camo pattern called Partizan ? Also I have seen a number of different camo patterns worn by Russian troops. Whats the most common and why the lack of a uniform camo ? Thx

http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/7816/200881612405990b2eda74div3.jpg


No the Partizan camouflage pattern is the one loosely derived from the Erbsenmuster one.

http://www.soviet-propaganda.com/products_data/pictures/partizan-1.jpg

The one you're looking at is advertized as the Sumrak...?!

tomahawk6
08-18-2008, 08:01 PM
Thank You for the info.:)