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Vic Vega
12-03-2008, 01:20 PM
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Looks horrible.

Vic Vega
12-03-2008, 01:25 PM
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Mormaeglin
12-03-2008, 01:27 PM
That is what I'm talking about. Poles hate Russians.
I would argue, really,it is true if concerning retarded govt. and some political parties. Those people create wrong image. Among normal Poles there was always some kind of sentiment toward Russians, tell me in what oher country people after getting drunk sing in Russian? Younger people are very positive too.
Personally, I have great love for Russians (and Russian folk music especially! bah, militaria too ;) ) all in all Wy Bratja :D I have friend in Rus' who is for me like brother and vice versa :D

P.S I was my last offtop today

Vic Vega
12-03-2008, 01:40 PM
I would argue, really,it is true if concerning retarded govt. and some political parties. Those people create wrong image. Among normal Poles there was always some kind of sentiment toward Russians, tell me in what oher country people after getting drunk sing in Russian? Younger people are very positive too.
Personally, I have great love for Russians (and Russian folk music especially! bah, militaria too ;) ) all in all Wy Bratja :D I have friend in Rus' who is for me like brother and vice versa :D

P.S I was my last offtop today

I don't want to prove that Poles hate Russians. But I've read some polish forum translations...

RomanS
12-03-2008, 01:42 PM
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guys lets not try to repost photos time after time please

Mormaeglin
12-03-2008, 01:42 PM
It always depend what forums You know. Everywhere You can find such things. Anyways sorry for such people. Retards are above nations.

Vic Vega
12-03-2008, 01:46 PM
guys lets not try to repost photos time after time please

I'm sorry. I didn't know that it had already been posted.

Vic Vega
12-03-2008, 01:53 PM
It always depend what forums You know. Everywhere You can find such things. Anyways sorry for such people. Retards are above nations.

But sometimes retards make life more funny. Do you rememder those article "Kulturnyj narod"?

Mormaeglin
12-03-2008, 02:04 PM
Haha sadly not, if You have it send me on priv ;)

Vic Vega
12-03-2008, 02:07 PM
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Survival Corps again.

TheArmenian
12-03-2008, 03:07 PM
Air defense products coming from the Belarussian defense company TETRAEDR:

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/253/1689732rt5.jpg
OSA-1T : a modernized version of the OSA (SA-8) on a MZKT chassis.

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/9720/systema3pa1.jpg
SYSTEM A-3

Hazard1024
12-03-2008, 03:15 PM
Among normal Poles there was always some kind of sentiment toward Russians, tell me in what oher country people after getting drunk sing in Russian?

Any FSU country.

Mormaeglin
12-03-2008, 03:19 PM
Fact.

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ervins
12-03-2008, 03:35 PM
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They looks like airsofters for me .
...at first picture one lad is playing with real looking bulets,but another guy have airsoft magazine in helmet !!!
When these pictures was posted first time,there was a small discussion about strange(atipical) equipment for russians SF as well...

Russian
12-03-2008, 03:42 PM
That's a real pics of ALFA testing out some western equipment

VK-SF
12-03-2008, 05:02 PM
Vladimir always nice to read from you,welcome back.
Few question on the Indian events.

What's your general assesment for the situation?
Can we say it is similiar to Beslan?
How would you judge the time taken by indian special forces to clear objectives?
Do you think they are well equiped and how professional you think they are?
Did ever train with Indians since their armed forces seem to have a close collaboration with Russia.

Did you shoot the Yarugyn Grach pistol?what do u think about it?
thnx.
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/images/statusicon/user_online.gif http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/images/buttons/report.gif (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/report.php?p=3730299) http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/images/misc/progress.gif
About the terror acts in India, unfortenately I will leave this one with out comments, because I was too far from the internet during that time, so I dont know much about details.
I can tell you one thing about Yarigin Pistol, its a well balanced modernized sidearm.

VK-SF
12-03-2008, 05:09 PM
Russian official camouflage
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a152/Densalakhov/Uniforms/Rus_Pixel/RusPixel_001.jpg

Finnish camouflage
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/4366/xeyzio1.jpg

no longer raise the subject
Regarding camo in Russia, there are usually to types of producers. Private and and official firms. Private companies usually dont care about developing their own pattern, so usually they just copy western stuff or buy western products. But if we compare all camos, than a lot of the design of digital camo goes back to Soviet 1944-1954. Here is a new camos for Russian border guard:

edi213009
12-03-2008, 05:15 PM
thnx Vladimir,what do you think about sniper rifle sv98?there was a discussion here about it for its accuracy?is any russian unit equiped with it?what can u tell?

Fidayi
12-03-2008, 05:53 PM
Guys, I am looking for a video. I posted it here because some of you are Russian or from Russia, so I think you might know what I am talking about and where I can find it.

The video showed a hostage situation in Moscow. Terrorists captured a bus full of tourists. At the end, the special forces drove towards the side of the bus with a truck and they went in through the windows. Killed all the terrorists and saved all the hostages.

Anyone ever seen this video?

piton_kaa
12-03-2008, 06:02 PM
Fidayi, perhaps you mean South Korean tourists taken hostages in Moscow, in 1995 and
rescue operation at Vasilievskiy Spusk (two steps aside Kremlin)? (http://www.newstube.ru/#/video/3E034025-A184-430F-83BA-2A687F078B91)

VK-SF
12-03-2008, 06:04 PM
thnx Vladimir,what do you think about sniper rifle sv98?there was a discussion here about it for its accuracy?is any russian unit equiped with it?what can u tell?
SV-98 in my opinion is still far from being perfect. Ofcourse it goes where SVD stops, but most of the professionals in Russia prefer AW, or Sako TRG.

Indiana Jones
12-03-2008, 06:27 PM
SV-98 in my opinion is still far from being perfect. Ofcourse it goes where SVD stops, but most of the professionals in Russia prefer AW, or Sako TRG.
Good taste in scopes I must say, especially on the Sako. What precisely are the problems you mentioned ? Bedding, trigger, etc. ? Does the SV 98 reliably group sub-MOA with the issued ammunition ?

RomanS
12-03-2008, 06:28 PM
VK-SF

You told me you finished a new paint job. What is it, can you share?

Fidayi
12-03-2008, 06:35 PM
Fidayi, perhaps you mean South Korean tourists taken hostages in Moscow, in 1995 and
rescue operation at Vasilievskiy Spusk (two steps aside Kremlin)? (http://www.newstube.ru/#/video/3E034025-A184-430F-83BA-2A687F078B91)

Yes, that's indeed the siege I am talking about but the video I saw was from another angle so you could clearly see how they approach the bus and how they enter it.

But anyway, thx for the video. Thx for the quick reply.

VK-SF
12-03-2008, 06:36 PM
VK-SF

You told me you finished a new paint job. What is it, can you share?
Ofcourse I can

Here is a shield for storming:

Arbody
12-03-2008, 06:39 PM
Ofcourse I can

Here is a shield for storming:

Ohh that sweet kind of S-F humor p-)

Fidayi
12-03-2008, 06:40 PM
Ofcourse I can

Here is a shield for storming:

Nice job but do they use a shield of this size to storm a building?

RomanS
12-03-2008, 06:40 PM
Ofcourse I can

Here is a shield for storming:

haha!

Thats beautiful !!!!!!

Thank you

VK-SF
12-03-2008, 06:45 PM
Good taste in scopes I must say, especially on the Sako. What precisely are the problems you mentioned ? Bedding, trigger, etc. ? Does the SV 98 reliably group sub-MOA with the issued ammunition ?
Thats a dificult question to answer for a simple photographer like me :-)

The active pros who can be classified as snipers usually load their own rounds, but mostly try to avoid SV-98, and the accuracy it produces.

If you are interested I can find some info about it for you.

SniperRu
12-03-2008, 07:25 PM
Here is a book in two volumes intitled "Military Stars - Heroes of Russia"
two 150 pages books courtesy of the Suvorov Military Academy.
Contains tons of rare pictures

Volume I
http://www.svu.ru/images/fm/bogdanov_kniga/oblogka_01.jpg
http://www.akovalev.ru/Tom_01-pravka.pdf

Volume II
http://www.svu.ru/images/fm/bogdanov_kniga/oblogka_02.jpg
http://www.akovalev.ru/Tom_02.pdf

enjoy

Arbody
12-03-2008, 07:34 PM
Thx , may be I'll find my grand father

soutikghosh
12-04-2008, 01:54 AM
Can someone post any details or link regarding the PROJECT-22350 class DDG.

Mr.Woland
12-04-2008, 02:51 AM
Can someone post any details or link regarding the PROJECT-22350 class DDG.
http://www.translate.ru/url/tran_url.asp?lang=ru&url=http://paralay.com/22350.html&direction=re&template=General&cp1=NO&cp2=NO&autotranslate=on&transliterate=on&psubmit2.x=47&psubmit2.y=16

Hazard1024
12-04-2008, 02:53 AM
Can someone post any details or link regarding the PROJECT-22350 class DDG.

http://warfare.ru/rus/?lang=rus&catid=270&linkid=2544

Not a lot of details but still something...

VK-SF
12-04-2008, 02:53 AM
Russia Interior Troops SF photo album books:

ult
12-04-2008, 04:00 AM
Cool photos VK-SF. Really appreciate.

piton_kaa
12-04-2008, 06:24 AM
@VK-SF
Vladimir, could you ID dive gear ukraninians use?
(exept weapons, mask&fins - i recognised it=))
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=61984&d=1228078419

Arbody
12-04-2008, 06:32 AM
http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk244/o333_photo/5c9903d4.jpg

http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk244/o333_photo/2d05891a.jpg

http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk244/o333_photo/1-3.jpghttp://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk244/o333_photo/2-3.jpg


http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk244/o333_photo/3-3.jpg



http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk244/o333_photo/15096.jpg


http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk244/o333_photo/Ar5.jpg


http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk244/o333_photo/IMG_0054-.jpg



http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk244/o333_photo/IMG_0079.jpg



http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk244/o333_photo/IMG_0082.jpg


http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk244/o333_photo/P1010150.jpg



http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk244/o333_photo/P1070518.jpg



http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk244/o333_photo/S5001159.jpg


http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk244/o333_photo/S5001160.jpg



http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk244/o333_photo/18003e3b.jpg


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Vic Vega
12-04-2008, 07:03 AM
Vitaly Kuzmin's photos:

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Bender Robotovich (http://benderator.gallery.ru/):

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Arbody
12-04-2008, 07:05 AM
http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk244/o333_photo/IMG_3141-.jpg


http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk244/o333_photo/normal_a_45.jpg


http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk244/o333_photo/NSStasLif.jpg



http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk244/o333_photo/Spetznaz2.jpg


http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk244/o333_photo/Spetznaz8.jpg



http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk244/o333_photo/Spetznaz9.jpg



http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk244/o333_photo/Spetznaz12.jpg

Dark Avenger
12-04-2008, 07:31 AM
http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk244/o333_photo/P1070518.jpg

.............................. (speechless).

Mormaeglin
12-04-2008, 10:34 AM
Exacly... :D haha You can envy me, my cousin is very simiar to Her ;)

komaR
12-04-2008, 10:46 AM
http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk244/o333_photo/Spetznaz8.jpg

eehmm ! Is this guy on the left Vladimir Turchinsky ?

Mousepad
12-04-2008, 10:48 AM
eehmm ! Is this guy on the left Vladimir Turchinsky ?

Yep, it's a "Spetznas" or something series filming. Crappy one at that, if you ask me.

Arbody
12-04-2008, 10:50 AM
http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk244/o333_photo/P1070518.jpg





Olia Drozdova Lt. Col . Med . she is about 28 when that pic was made few years younger p-)

piton_kaa
12-04-2008, 10:52 AM
eehmm ! Is this guy on the left Vladimir Turchinsky ?
yep.
the set is made on shooting stage.

komaR
12-04-2008, 10:53 AM
Yep, it's a "Spetznas" or something series filming. Crappy one at that, if you ask me.

Ooooh i watched "Spetznas" ! Very qualitative trash :roll:

piton_kaa
12-04-2008, 11:02 AM
Olia Drozdova Lt. Col . Med . she is about 28 when that pic was made few years younger p-)
well if she's 28 then it's quite possible to got Lt.Col. rank=)
BTW, isn't morpehi got to have red spaces on shoulder straps according to uniforms regulations order?
*not speaking about uniforms mix=)*
Oh, yes, and she's just admirable woman and that's the only thing worth discussing ;)

Mousepad
12-04-2008, 11:04 AM
http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk244/o333_photo/P1070518.jpg





Olia Drozdova Lt. Col . Med . she is about 28 when that pic was made few years younger p-)

Dude. Frankly i don't believe it. Damn, Gagarin at 27 was 1-st Lt and got a Major rank only on Krushev direct order, he was friggin 1-st human in space!

Maybe Olya is a perfect specialist, but dunno. Any info on her career?

It's sooo against my manhood. I'm broken.

Mormaeglin
12-04-2008, 11:25 AM
So imagine, in case of war She will be comanding hundreds of men :D Men/Women equality at its best :D

Arbody
12-04-2008, 11:27 AM
hmm don't know ;) if she graduate MedInstitut ( may be even military) at age of 22/23 and gain Captains rank it's possible . Or she is lucky wife of some high ranked officer p-) or she is best specialist in eehhum something p-)

Sousuke
12-04-2008, 11:38 AM
http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk244/o333_photo/P1070518.jpg



Dunno how many of you watch anime, but this pic reminded me of Teletha Testarossa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teletha_Tessa_Testarossa) from Full Metal Panic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full_Metal_Panic)

Cute p-)

medo
12-04-2008, 11:46 AM
I know, medical doctors in armies have high ranks and Lt. Col. is quite usual for doctors. What is the lowest starting rank for army doctors with specialisation?

Mormaeglin
12-04-2008, 11:50 AM
Sousuke, You are True anime geek ;)

VK-SF
12-04-2008, 11:52 AM
@VK-SF
Vladimir, could you ID dive gear ukraninians use?
(exept weapons, mask&fins - i recognised it=))
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=61984&d=1228078419
Italian close-circuit sets, and - the most - soviet inheritance....

TheArmenian
12-04-2008, 12:04 PM
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/453/1680524dt8.jpg

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/6617/1675368em4.jpg

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/4621/1675366bh4.jpg

Sousuke
12-04-2008, 12:05 PM
Sousuke, You are True anime geek ;)
Why yes, yes I am p-). A PC and weapon geek too...nasty combination :hug:

TheArmenian
12-04-2008, 12:07 PM
http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/8983/1596057ir7.png
I am not sure these magazines are made in Russia. Anyone can confirm???

VK-SF
12-04-2008, 12:15 PM
Guys, you're looking at the wrong girls! Look at these!!!!!wootwootwoot

Mousepad
12-04-2008, 12:22 PM
Guys, you're looking at the wrong girls! Look at these!!!!!wootwootwoot

:) It's not about the girls, it's Russia for god sake. It's about Lt Col pretty 28 yrs old girl. Btw have you ever met High speed low drag SF girls?

piton_kaa
12-04-2008, 12:24 PM
the future has come! wootwootwoot
they use no-tank scuba))))

VK-SF
12-04-2008, 12:56 PM
:) It's not about the girls, it's Russia for god sake. It's about Lt Col pretty 28 yrs old girl. Btw have you ever met High speed low drag SF girls?
I perfectly well understand! I, personnaly, have not met so young LTC's, and i'm definitely not regretting this.

edi213009
12-04-2008, 01:10 PM
Vladimir did you have the chance to use western assault rifles and which is the best according to you?

How would you compare spetsnaz Gru forces to an american unit?are they more Rangers or Green Berets?

a former spetsnaz official who posted here 16obrspn said that the best Gru unit was 5obrspn Marina Gorka.Since now its in Belarus what do you think about it?Did they retain skills now that SU is history?

thnx

VK-SF
12-04-2008, 01:24 PM
Vladimir did you have the chance to use western assault rifles and which is the best according to you?

How would you compare spetsnaz Gru forces to an american unit?are they more Rangers or Green Berets?

a former spetsnaz official who posted here 16obrspn said that the best Gru unit was 5obrspn Marina Gorka.Since now its in Belarus what do you think about it?Did they retain skills now that SU is history?

thnx
It's like to ask - "Who's stronger Stallone or Schwarcneger?"

edi213009
12-04-2008, 01:32 PM
It's like to ask - "Who's stronger Stallone or Schwarcneger?"

Jack Bauer :)

RomanS
12-04-2008, 02:28 PM
VK-SF

Can you post more photos of Vityaz if you have any?

Im planning on being there this summer, they are inviting me to spend a week with them and photograph various activities.

Would love to meet you there my friend.

VK-SF
12-04-2008, 03:07 PM
By the request of the great guys here, i present you the SV-98 material.
The opinions of designers and those who were using it are very different. Please forgive me for Russian text, since Roman is too busy at work to help me translate, I ask any good Russian member here to translate this.
Thank you

Представлю обзор мнений профессиональных снайперов спецназа России, появившийся на российских оружейных форумах после того, как один офицер ФСБ высказался в прессе о явных недостатках СВ-98:




1).СВ -98 по паспортным данным (приведенным почему-то на 300 метров) со станка патроном 7Н1 дает группу 100 мм, что более 1 МОА, согласитесь;
2). имеет пусть и "авиационную", но все же фанерную ложе (аргумент, что спортсмены используют - бред, ни один современный снайпер в мире не предпочтет пластическую форму деревянной), которая после длительного (7 суток) нахождения в меняющихся метеоусловиях (дождь-солнце-град-солнце) местами стала слоиться.
3). Тайну конструкции затвора СВ-98, откровенно говоря, не понял - даже с "чудо" покрытием движение затвора читаемым не назовешь (сколько раз я наблюдал стрелков, с отчаянием кузнеца гвоздящим затвором СВ, как и МЦ патрон в патронник!), проверял зеркальность зазора между затвором и патронником - ужас, отсутствие такового очевидно;
4). С какими допусками изготавливается патронник, если гильзу в каждом из них дует по своему, то ближе к плечу, то посередине гильзы;
5). Начало полей нарезов, как правило, разное - тестируется патроном (старый дедовский способ);
Ну и т.д.
Цена изделия - вообще космос!
Оружие необходимо делать хорошо, некомпетентных людей в строю все меньше, необходимо тихо и без нервов убирать недостатки - если это возможно.
О качестве изготовления Российских винтовок я уже писал, кроме звиздюлей от руководства, ничего не произошло в итоге.



Да всё терто перетерто. Не надо дорабатывать СВ-Рекорд. Надо делать новую винтовку с чистого листа...под НОВЫЙ патрон.
мое мнение по пунктам:
1. Всё железо должно быть из нержавейки..как давно уже делают "там".
2. Пластиковое..карбоновое..алюминиевое...хрен знает какое тока не дерево-фанера..Аргумент "спортсмены пользуют" это из области дуристики..мы пользуемся им под навесом и только летом храним в ударопрочных кофрах и в оружейке в шкафу...и то от сырости в оружейке умудряется трескаться. После каждой тренировки чистим..и смазываем...это спорт. как это реализуемо в армейских условиях непредставляю. Поэтому ссылку на спорт считаю глупой.
3. Модульная конструкция..чтоб не было никакой проблемы с ремонтом-заменой отдельных частей.
4. Конструктор должен понимать что надо делать! Иначе опять ничего хорошего у непонимающего-незнающего конструктора не выйдет.
последний пункт считаю самым важным...потому как любой из первых пунктов сам по себе ничего не обеспечит без последнего пункта!


Ствол шплинтованый в ресивере раз, и мушка посаженая на
штифтах два, проблемность смены ствола опять же связанная с расшплинтовкой винтовки.
Сделали бы ствол просто вкручивающимся и без мушки, и
в комплекте еще один запасной ствол.
И стоимость до 30000руб во тут бы эта винтовка заняла бы свое
нормальное место .
Прицел "Гиперон" это прицел с кратностью от 3 до 9 с отключаемым механизмом ввода баллистической поправки.
Т.е. практически это аналог американских прицелов ART I и ART II времен Вьетнамской войны, а также Белорусского прицела 1П21.
Прицел в целом хорош, и для России может считаться "последним словом прицельной техники", но вот почему-то американцы осознали
пагубность заложенных в нем идей еще в 70-е годы прошлого века
А основная идея, которая заложена в данном прицеле, такова. Вы видите цель, размеры которой известны (грудная фигура, ростовая фигура, плечи противника)
и загоняете эту цель в дальномерный индекс (прямоугольник в прицеле 1П21), изменяя увеличение прицела. При этом изменяется угол наклона оптической
системы относительно оси канала ствола, т.е. вносится баллистическая поправка. Единственным отличием Гиперона от всех других прицелов подобной схемы
является то, что после внесения баллистической поправки механизм ее ввода можно отключить и рассматривать цель на любом увеличении.
А пагубность идеи ,и это мое личное мнение, в том, что баллистическая поправка верна только для одного типа боеприпаса, дальность не может быть измерена очень точно, невозможно брать поправки на температуру, давление, и т.п.
Т.е. в принципе, прицел еще можно использовать на СВД, но на СВ-98 я бы его даже и не пытался ставить .

TheArmenian
12-04-2008, 03:53 PM
The new armoured vehicles: KAMAZ and SPM-3

http://www.zvezdanews.ru/video/0024227/

VK-SF
12-04-2008, 04:59 PM
And here is mad article from the magazine "Kalashnikov" from the designers of SV-98. But I think the real truth is somewhere in the middle, though Im picking the side of users.

На канале РЕН ТВ в передаче Военная тайна дважды ( а может и более) за три месяца был показан материал о новом оружии для снайперов-винтовке СВ-98. Свою оценку новому
образцу давал специалист центра подготовки снайперов ФСБ полковник Дмитрий Едалин.
Сквозящая в его выступлении обида мне по-человечески понятна. Когда цена винтовки к моменту приобретения вырастает в два раза, по сравнению с оговоренной вначале, трудно удержаться от отрицательных эмоций. Но смешивать воедино вопросы экономические и технические, по моему мнению, не стоит.
Видимо на волне обиды специалист ФСБ Д. Едали, выступая в роли эксперта, в пух и прах разносит конструкцию винтовки СВ-98 .
Согласен, что любая конструкции, особенно новая, редко бывает идеальной и устраивает всех. На практике таких конструкций вообще не существует. Но претензии Д. Едалина к винтовке СВ-98 у меня, как у человека имеющего прямое отношение к проектированию стрелкового Оружия вызывает смятение. В XXI веке винтовка СВ-98 имеет приклад из фанеры. Она же разбухает от влаги и коробится! с пафосом восклицает эксперт и призывает брать пример с финской винтовки Sako TRG с пластиковым ложе. У несведущего в вопросах конструкционных материалов человека
слово фанера вызывает ассоциацию либо с пением под фонограмму, либо с ширпотребовским упаковочным ящиком из сучковатого и расслаивающегося материала.
А вот из такой же фанеры как на СВ-98 делались, до перехода на более технологичный способ литья из пластмассы приклад и цевье автомата Калашникова, а так же приклад и накладки винтовки СВД. Не брезгуют таким материалом и зарубежные фирмы, такие как Walther , используя его для изготовления прикладов спортивных винтовок и карабинов. Фанерная плита (так правильно называется данный материал)- специальная, так называемая авиационная. Она многократно превосходит по прочности и цельное дерево и фанеру, используемую в мебельной промышленности , минимально реагирует на изменение влажности и сохраняет главное преимущество дерева- не обжигает руки и щеку при экстремальных минусовых и плюсовых температурах. Пожалуй, единственным недостатком данного материала является его высокая стоимость.
Следующую претензию Д. Едалин предъявляет к затвору, показывая для сравнения вылизанный до зеркального блеска затвор всё той же Sako. Хорошо или плохо иметь на боевой винтовке блестящие части? Вопрос интересный. Оружейники всегда считали - плохо. Но если снайперам ФСБ нравится блеск, то может не мелочиться и отполировать и покрыть хромом все наружные поверхности? То-то будет приятно для глаза. И видно будет хорошо со всех сторон. Что касается затвора винтовки СВ-98, то его невзрачный вид связан с наличием на стебле затвора канавок для уменьшения контакта со ствольной коробкой и покрытием наружной поверхности кадмием. Это серо-пятнистое на вид покрытие обеспечивает снижение трения и, следовательно, более лёгкое перемещение затвора, а так же препятствует образованию бликов.
Далее Д. Едалин обращает внимание зрителей на прицел винтовки и его крепление. То, что в репортаже база для крепления прицела на ствольной коробке названа ласточкин хвост, хотя правильно данный тип базы называется пикатини, можно отнести к оговорке. Но после этого Д. Едалин берёт прицел за оптическую часть и, показав возмутительную, с его точки зрения, качку прицела, задаёт вопрос: А как же из такой винтовки попадать? Возьму на себя смелость заверить - очень даже неплохо. Дело в том, что на представленной в репортаже винтовке установлен оптический прицел переменной кратности Гиперон, имеющий встроенный дальномер. В конструкции прицела предусмотрена возможность автоматического ввода углов прицеливания при определении дальности. Достигается это за счёт качания оптической части прицела относительно кронштейна в вертикальной плоскости. В передней части кронштейна имеется пластинчатая пружина, которая обеспечивает возможность такого качания и выбирает все зазоры. То есть возмутительная качка, продемонстрированная Д. Едалиным, на самом деле свидетельствует о правильной работе механизмов прицела. Если же говорить о качке кронштейна прицела относительно ствольной коробки, то в подавляющем большинстве случаев это связано с неумением правильно закрепить кронштейн.
В конце репортажа ведущий передачи Военная тайна Игорь Прокопенко призывает разработчиков винтовки СВ-98 не обижаться на вынесенный из избы сор. Я не против публичного обсуждения любых вопросов, но в данном случае сора не увидел. Увидел только некомпетентность или недобросовестность мусорщиков. Руководство ОАО Концерн Ижмаш и Конструкторско-оружейного центра всегда идёт на контакты с представителями специальных подразделений для обсуждения вопросов совершенствования образцов вооружения. И если у представителей центра подготовки снайперов ФСБ есть замечания по конструкции винтовки СВ-98 и предложения по её доработке, то наверно стоит поднимать эти вопросы не только в монологе с экрана телевизора, а так же и в диалоге с конструкторами.

От редактора.
Я довольно хорошо знаю и Алексея Драгунова и Дмитрия Едалина, знаю как профессионалов безо всяких но. Знаком я и со спецификой работы телевизионных журналистов... Обижаться на них - последнее дело, поскольку телевизионщики, как всегда, хотели как лучше, в своём, журналистском, понимании.
С новой отечественной снайперской винтовкой СВ-98 действительно есть проблемы. И качество используемой фанеры оставляет желать лучшего, и необходимость Гиперона для большинства профессиональных пользователей сомнительна, и плавность перемещения затвора не фирменная. Фантастическая стоимость винтовки - около $ 6000 без прицела, просто удивляет всех специалистов на фоне предложений по иностранным образцам.
Мне понятна и излишняя категоричность Дмитрия Едалина и возмущение Алексея Драгунова. На самом деле всё это не столь важно. Действительную ценность в заочной полемике имеет только публичная декларация Ижмаша готовности к контактам с представителями специальных подразделений для обсуждения вопросов совершенствования образцов вооружения. До сих пор ситуация складывалась таким образом, что ижмашевцы вроде бы всегда за разговор, а снайперы в один голос утверждают, что их в Ижевске не слышат. И я порядком подустал передавать в обе стороны приветы.
Остаётся только ждать результатов возможной совместной работы пользователей и изготовителей СВ-98.
Главный редактор журнала
КАЛАШНИКОВ,
Михаил Дегтярёв

TheEvian100
12-04-2008, 11:23 PM
The new armoured vehicles: KAMAZ and SPM-3

http://www.zvezdanews.ru/video/0024227/

All seems to be great, apart from that loose wire at 03:03.

Tyrvidar
12-04-2008, 11:50 PM
http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/8983/1596057ir7.png
I am not sure these magazines are made in Russia. Anyone can confirm???

Not sure about the yellow followers... but the magazines have the Yugo/Serbian design. The 4th Set from the left to right, looks like a standard euro design.

GazB
12-05-2008, 12:27 AM
Understood. So not only is the SV-98 a poor rifle, it is extremely expensive. What a shame. I hope in the future, Russia will create a new, true sniper rifle, as I know we are very capable of developing a good one.

I don't speak or read Russian. Could someone outline the problems in english?

Are the problems systemic or does it just need some modification work?

I mean the Soviets and Russians have traditionally competed well in international events at shooting so there is no reason why they can't design a rifle as good as any made elsewhere. Personally I think the problem is that perhaps Russian and Soviet snipers really haven't had the focus of very long range shooting that the west seems to be obsessed with. Personally if the target is in a car and is 2km away I don't think of using a rifle, I would prefer using a Metis-M with a HE warhead.

Vic Vega
12-05-2008, 04:28 AM
ИВС: "Только массовые растреллы спасут Родину!"

Do not quote this bastard.

mannelig
12-05-2008, 04:41 AM
http://photofile.ru/photo/fishki_net/3659813/81692858.jpg

Vic Vega
12-05-2008, 04:48 AM
http://www.armo99.ru/

MrJack
12-05-2008, 05:17 AM
http://photofile.ru/photo/fishki_net/3659813/81692858.jpg
More info about this pic?
Which heli it is?
Location?
Thank you!

binzer
12-05-2008, 05:23 AM
More info about this pic?
Which heli it is?
Location?
Thank you!

Well i see an Eotech Holo sightp-)

Dark Avenger
12-05-2008, 05:38 AM
More info about this pic?
Which heli it is?
Location?
Thank you!

It's a French-made Eurocopter (originally Aerospatiale) AS-355N Ecureuil 2 (Squirrel). With standard Police mods like optronics ball, loudspeakers, bench seats.
See here (http://www.airliners.net/photo/Russian-Ministry-of/Aerospatiale-AS-355N-Ecureuil/1429932/M/).

bcax
12-05-2008, 06:49 AM
http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/8983/1596057ir7.png
I am not sure these magazines are made in Russia. Anyone can confirm???

its bulgarian or hungarian. it was in one topic on ak47.net

ayanami_tard
12-05-2008, 06:57 AM
It's a French-made Eurocopter (originally Aerospatiale) AS-355N Ecureuil 2 (Squirrel). With standard Police mods like optronics ball, loudspeakers, bench seats.
See here (http://www.airliners.net/photo/Russian-Ministry-of/Aerospatiale-AS-355N-Ecureuil/1429932/M/).


i tought it is a fennec(i just can't tell the difference)


and why did russia bought foreign chopper?they have cheaper equivalent

Constantin
12-05-2008, 07:12 AM
i tought it is a fennec(i just can't tell the difference)


and why did russia bought foreign chopper?they have cheaper equivalent

Yes.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2309/2294372898_1de4c44898.jpg
But
without standard Police mods like optronics ball, loudspeakers, bench seats.

Vic Vega
12-05-2008, 07:44 AM
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62272 62273



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Dark Avenger
12-05-2008, 08:10 AM
i tought it is a fennec(i just can't tell the difference)


and why did russia bought foreign chopper?they have cheaper equivalent


Fennec is the strictly military version. The civilian one is always Ecureuil (A-Star or Twin Star in the US).


Yes.

But without standard Police mods

Not exactly; Mil offered a police variant of the ubiquitous Mi-24.
http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/6894/mi24policemodel02xs4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/1875/mi24policemodel01ap1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

mannelig
12-05-2008, 09:29 AM
http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/1875/mi24policemodel01ap1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Hardcore highway chaser:D

Nuclear_Warrior
12-05-2008, 09:32 AM
I would be scared to death if I see of those things in my mirror.

Serg
12-05-2008, 10:32 AM
[QUOTE=Vic Vega;3736654
62140
QUOTE]


First - very nice photos and both have very nice Ak - (this photo should be used for another Russiaxwestern discussion :) )

But I have one guestion. The second man looks like he have some of the newest Ak - because of -well i dont know the technikal word -maybe gas rod? is longer then on others Ak.

So its looks like this is Ak107 or 108 -but Ak 107 is for 5,45x39 and 108 is for 5,56x45, and this gun have magazine which is 7,62x39 (Ak103 type maybe)

So ...its looks like that this guy have gun which shoudlnt exist. :)

Your opinion?

Vic Vega
12-05-2008, 10:34 AM
62282

Famous picture.

Vic Vega
12-05-2008, 10:53 AM
[QUOTE=Vic Vega;3736654
62140
QUOTE]


First - very nice photos and both have very nice Ak - (this photo should be used for another Russiaxwestern discussion :) )

But I have one guestion. The second man looks like he have some of the newest Ak - because of -well i dont know the technikal word -maybe gas rod? is longer then on others Ak.

So its looks like this is Ak107 or 108 -but Ak 107 is for 5,45x39 and 108 is for 5,56x45, and this gun have magazine which is 7,62x39 (Ak103 type maybe)

So ...its looks like that this guy have gun which shoudlnt exist. :)

Your opinion?

It looks like AK-104 or AK-105.

piton_kaa
12-05-2008, 10:54 AM
@Serg
AK-104 (http://world.guns.ru/assault/as06-e.htm)

Ronguild
12-05-2008, 11:28 AM
62282

Famous picture.

My heart .... AAAAAARRRGGHHHH !

binzer
12-05-2008, 11:33 AM
[quote=Vic Vega;3736654
62140
QUOTE]


First - very nice photos and both have very nice Ak - (this photo should be used for another Russiaxwestern discussion :) )

But I have one guestion. The second man looks like he have some of the newest Ak - because of -well i dont know the technikal word -maybe gas rod? is longer then on others Ak.

So its looks like this is Ak107 or 108 -but Ak 107 is for 5,45x39 and 108 is for 5,56x45, and this gun have magazine which is 7,62x39 (Ak103 type maybe)

So ...its looks like that this guy have gun which shoudlnt exist. :)

Your opinion?

Anyonne care to explain how the guy got his hands on an ACOG sight...these are government use only and cannot be used by civilians or exported to other armies

Skopf
12-05-2008, 12:02 PM
[quote=Serg;3741563]

Anyonne care to explain how the guy got his hands on an ACOG sight...these are government use only and cannot be used by civilians or exported to other armies


mb he just took it at the supply dep.
or in the shop
http://www.profoptic.ru/goods/?producer=Trijicon&section=6 (http://www.profoptic.ru/goods/good.html?id=919)
любой каприз за ваши деньги :)

medo
12-05-2008, 12:45 PM
The new armoured vehicles: KAMAZ and SPM-3

http://www.zvezdanews.ru/video/0024227/

SPM-3 and Vystrel are good protected vehicles and nice to see SPM-3 with internal army black plates. SPM-3 has RCWS like western vehicles and it is great russians produce them too. I personaly more prefer turret than RCWS, because you don't need to go outside of armor protection to deal with jam or to load new ammo. Will russian army put this RCWSs on Vodniks, Tigers and Vystrels too? Any photos from this movie?

In the past it was said, that russian units will this year get first Pantsirs and BMPTs. This year will soon end and I would like to see any photos of them from regular units if they get them.

Vic Vega
12-05-2008, 01:06 PM
http://bratishka.ru/news/data/upimages/vv0512.jpg


http://bratishka.ru/index.php?id=523

Vic Vega
12-05-2008, 01:56 PM
http://milindcom.ru/data/01.JPG

http://milindcom.ru/data/04.JPG

http://milindcom.ru/data/Image/IMGP0400.JPG

Pos1t1ve
12-05-2008, 02:18 PM
http://bratishka.ru/news/data/upimages/vv0512.jpg


http://bratishka.ru/index.php?id=523

It`s cool! SPM-3 - Special police vehicle - 3 - armoured vehicle with automatic machine gun on the roof. Chassis - BTR 80

Mousepad
12-05-2008, 02:48 PM
DMB album of a guy who served in SU airforce.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHFJu11lfcw

Dark Avenger
12-05-2008, 03:14 PM
It`s cool! SPM-3 - Special police vehicle - 3 - armoured vehicle with automatic machine gun on the roof. Chassis - BTR 80

You mean it's based on BTR-80 automotive components? I'm asking because, as I recall, someone mentioned that it used GAZ Tigr parts a few pages ago.

RomanS
12-05-2008, 05:57 PM
Do you guys think we can reach 7 million views by December 15th? Our 2 year GLORIOUS STRONG Anniversary

mannelig
12-05-2008, 06:38 PM
Do you guys think we can reach 7 million views by December 15th? Our 2 year GLORIOUS STRONG Anniversary

That`s about 40 000 view per day...no, we can`t :)

edi213009
12-05-2008, 07:23 PM
It`s cool! SPM-3 - Special police vehicle - 3 - armoured vehicle with automatic machine gun on the roof. Chassis - BTR 80

That vehicle seems not well balanced.it leans to the right

LEGEND
12-05-2008, 09:44 PM
That`s about 40 000 view per day...no, we can`t :)
If we scotch tape F5 on the keyboard....

Cornerstone
12-05-2008, 11:35 PM
^^looks like they already moved it is there any other pics...

Flyboy77
12-06-2008, 12:40 AM
^^looks like they already moved it is there any other pics...

http://www.zvezdanews.ru/video/day_events/0024221/

Karaahmetoglu
12-06-2008, 12:53 AM
62282

Famous picture.

Rule is you post more then one. :bash::bash:

Pos1t1ve
12-06-2008, 04:17 AM
You mean it's based on BTR-80 automotive components? I'm asking because, as I recall, someone mentioned that it used GAZ Tigr parts a few pages ago.

Sorry- my English isn`t good ), u absolutely right.
SPM- 3 is new generation of russian armoured vechicle
it`s used:
Transmisson - Ural truck
Wheels and suspension - BTR-90 (not 80)
clearence - 0.5 meters.
Body has armoured V-type bottom.

SPM-3 has a NSV "Utes" 12.7 mm machine gun and (in future) a 14.5 "Kord" machine gun.

It is information from russian automobile magazine "Autoreview"

Afro-European
12-06-2008, 05:09 AM
http://img.rian.ru/images/11870/09/118700932.jpg (http://en.rian.ru/photolents/20081205/118701543_2.html)


September 1, 1959. The nuclear-powered icebreaker Lenin on the Neva River


http://img.rian.ru/images/11870/10/118701055.jpg (http://en.rian.ru/photolents/20081205/118701543_3.html)


1959. Scientists working at nuclear-powered icebreaker Lenin’s propulsion-unit and damage-control post


http://img.rian.ru/images/11870/08/118700899.jpg (http://en.rian.ru/photolents/20081205/118701543_4.html)


1959. Electric engines inside the turbine section of nuclear-powered icebreaker Lenin.


http://img.rian.ru/images/11870/09/118700927.jpg (http://en.rian.ru/photolents/20081205/118701543_5.html)


1960. The crew of the nuclear-powered icebreaker Lenin skiing during a short stopover in the Arctic Ocean


http://img.rian.ru/images/11870/10/118701040.jpg (http://en.rian.ru/photolents/20081205/118701543_6.html)


1960. A sailor of the nuclear-powered icebreaker Lenin standing watch near stern winch.


http://img.rian.ru/images/11870/10/118701022.jpg (http://en.rian.ru/photolents/20081205/118701543_7.html)


1964. The prow of the nuclear-powered icebreaker Lenin cutting through ice


http://img.rian.ru/images/11870/10/118701050.jpg (http://en.rian.ru/photolents/20081205/118701543_8.html)


1972. The nuclear-powered icebreaker Lenin in the Arctic Ocean.


http://img.rian.ru/images/11870/10/118701045.jpg (http://en.rian.ru/photolents/20081205/118701543_9.html)


1979. The first Soviet nuclear-powered icebreaker Lenin at Murmansk seaport


http://img.rian.ru/images/11870/08/118700892.jpg (http://en.rian.ru/photolents/20081205/118701543_10.html)


1982. The crew of the nuclear-powered icebreaker Lenin eating in the ship’s wardroom.
What a luxious place to eat at!!!

http://img.rian.ru/images/11870/10/118701004.jpg (http://en.rian.ru/photolents/20081205/118701543_11.html)


2005. The first Soviet nuclear-powered icebreaker Lenin in a shipyard dock. The ship is currently being re-equipped and converted into the Arctic and Northern Sea Route History Museum


http://img.rian.ru/images/11870/09/118700980.jpg (http://en.rian.ru/photolents/20081205/118701543-others.html)


On December 5, 1957, the nuclear-powered icebreaker Lenin was launched in Leningrad, now St. Petersburg, and sailed her maiden voyage on September 15, 1959
How many nuclear powered Icebreakers are there active in the Russian Navy?( i mean in the Northern and Pacific Fleet)

Arbody
12-06-2008, 05:18 AM
^^looks like they already moved it is there any other pics...
Here you go
http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk244/o333_photo/IMAG0057.jpg


http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk244/o333_photo/imgp0190pe9.jpg


http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk244/o333_photo/imgp0191up4.jpg

Mousepad
12-06-2008, 05:40 AM
In fresh news. Red stars on Russian warplanes and choppers will be replaced with 3-color stars. ****s. :fork:

TR1
12-06-2008, 05:46 AM
Are you serious? yay lets kick tradition in the face....

Mousepad
12-06-2008, 05:53 AM
Are you serious? yay lets kick tradition in the face....

Yep

In Russian
http://www.rian.ru/politics/20081205/156566546-print.html

piton_kaa
12-06-2008, 06:38 AM
****, it's insane =((
what kinda svcker worked out that bill???
*well at least it's only first debate of a bill, hope common sense and military lobby triumph over that s@#$t*

Vic Vega
12-06-2008, 06:38 AM
SPM-3 has RCWS like western vehicles and it is great russians produce them too. I personaly more prefer turret than RCWS, because you don't need to go outside of armor protection to deal with jam or to load new ammo.

It has a remote control turret.

Vic Vega
12-06-2008, 07:11 AM
62309

Pravda glaza kolet...

Vic Vega
12-06-2008, 10:38 AM
VM-2000

http://www.securityarms.com/cgi-local/protect.pl?File=3000/3000pics/3021.jpg

62310

I don't care if this photos had already been posted. I just want to know, if somebody HAVE ANY INFORMATION ABOUT THIS RIFLE.

medo
12-06-2008, 11:11 AM
Considering this photos, SPM-3 more likely have remote controlled weapon station like Kongsberg Protector than turret. I hope Vystrels for internal troops will be armed with this RCWS also or at least with a turret for border guard units.

piton_kaa
12-06-2008, 11:16 AM
I don't care if this photos had already been posted. I just want to know, if somebody HAVE ANY INFORMATION ABOUT THIS RIFLE.
Experimebtal as far as i understood
http://talks.guns.ru/forummessage/51/302646.html

Vic Vega
12-06-2008, 12:15 PM
62314

Survival Corps again (sorry for low quality).

[Odemkirtariy][UA]
12-06-2008, 01:05 PM
(Let's keep a minute silence for our patriarch Alexy II, who died yesterday)

MichaelF
12-06-2008, 01:26 PM
62314

Survival Corps again (sorry for low quality).

Survival Corps? What's that?

TheArmenian
12-06-2008, 02:16 PM
http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/8203/mlmi28n021200sy4.jpg

http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/8819/dpmi2401hu4.jpg

Thanks to M. Lisov and D. Pichugin

Pos1t1ve
12-06-2008, 02:26 PM
62314

Survival Corps again (sorry for low quality).

This is "ALFA"

piton_kaa
12-06-2008, 04:15 PM
Survival Corps? What's that?
just a company producing and reselling some wannabe a spetznaz stuff (some items are cool, regional FSB headquarters officers (and even units) buy from it)
nath worth paing attention at=);

Gawel1410
12-06-2008, 08:01 PM
In fresh news. Red stars on Russian warplanes and choppers will be replaced with 3-color stars. ****s. :fork:

No! I always like the red star, it is a tradition, why change it,:oops: with that read star symbol, the Red army advanced to vistory in WW2. It has sentimental value to the russian people.
And yes I am polish american but my grandmother was cared by a soviet/russian medic in WW2, shortly after she was born.
Thus I have some personal ties with the russian people and their symbols.

GazB
12-06-2008, 10:08 PM
I don't care if this photos had already been posted. I just want to know, if somebody HAVE ANY INFORMATION ABOUT THIS RIFLE.Isn't that just the latest upgrade of this?

http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sn50-e.htm


It has a remote control turret.I think he knows that, but he is pointing out that an external gun, even if it is remote control and can be aimed and fired from under the armour needs someone to leave the armour protection to load the gun or clear a jam, whereas with a turret the gun is protected by armour and can be loaded or a jam cleared from inside the vehicle. It also protects the gun from damage from small arms fire that could stop it from working properly.


In fresh news. Red stars on Russian warplanes and choppers will be replaced with 3-color stars.I must say I liked the Red Stars. When you saw a plane with a Red Star you knew whose it was. How many million countries have a combination of Red White and Blue?


So many problems, that a totally new rifle needs to be developed. The problems, to name a few, include stock, optics, ammo, grouping, and some internal parts (I don't know how to translate those, I'm not an expert in parts) Anybody can add to this.I wonder what went wrong. It was designed by a gun designer and was based on at target rifle designed for accuracy.

Here is the information I have based my opinions till now about the SV-98. On the surface it sounds great... but if the users think it is not good then I have to go with that. I would just like to read what they actually say specifically about it.

http://club.guns.ru/eng/sv-98.html

BTW did they ever make a model in .338 Laupa magnum like they planned to?

Kupr
12-07-2008, 05:46 AM
"Vikramaditya"

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g191/snake65/IMGP0198.jpg

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_Mg880siZpus/SR7OwjxxTrI/AAAAAAAACc4/u7j2F49mO2E/s512/IMAG0057.jpg

http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/5862/imgp0190pe9.jpg

http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/4430/imgp0159au3.jpg

http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/2378/imgp0191up4.jpg

Vic Vega
12-07-2008, 05:57 AM
Isn't that just the latest upgrade of this?

http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sn50-e.htm



No, it is a "brother" of OSV-96.

http://handgun.kapyar.ru/ph/225_02.jpg

JoeBethuy
12-07-2008, 09:29 AM
"Vikramaditya"

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g191/snake65/IMGP0198.jpg

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_Mg880siZpus/SR7OwjxxTrI/AAAAAAAACc4/u7j2F49mO2E/s512/IMAG0057.jpg

http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/5862/imgp0190pe9.jpg

http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/4430/imgp0159au3.jpg

http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/2378/imgp0191up4.jpg

Wonder who's gonna get their hands on this beautiful carrier: The Russian Navy or the Indian Navy?

DRA
12-07-2008, 11:50 AM
Wonder who's gonna get their hands on this beautiful carrier: The Russian Navy or the Indian Navy?

Indian, their leadership seems to be more intelligent than some of the posters on this board and has agreed to pay the difference.
Besides, most of the people in Russia still don't understand what do they need "5-6 aircraft carriers" for.

Hyde
12-07-2008, 11:56 AM
Indian, their leadership seems to be more intelligent than some of the posters on this board and has agreed to pay the difference.
Besides, most of the people in Russia still don't understand what do they need "5-6 aircraft carriers" for.

I was just about to ask that :D
So they agreed to pay the increase in costs: good news, you can't get an aircraft carrier at a bargain price, this thing will boost the indian navy's capabilities greatly! Great news for India.

I didn't neither, but if I take a look at the Falkands Thread i understand what they are useful for.

Vic Vega
12-07-2008, 12:33 PM
62392

62393

62394

62395

Does anybody know the name of this modification?

Vic Vega
12-07-2008, 01:08 PM
62413

62414

piton_kaa
12-07-2008, 01:32 PM
Does anybody know the name of this modification?
5.45x39 AK-74M with 60 rounds mag, new furniture, bi-pod kinda that (http://www.grippod.com/), perhaps russian made, upwards folding.

Vovka
12-07-2008, 04:26 PM
Ok i took this picture from another thread. I think it was posted by RomanS before. The dude on the left holds an AEK 971,the one on the right - AS VAL with some sight.....

More information on AEK971, its use in the military, it being a better option for Russian military then AN94, more pictures of it would be really appreciated.

sudbin
12-07-2008, 05:05 PM
This weekend I was covering offroad race in Rjazan region, not far from famous Diagilevo airbase. All the day heavy bombers and tankers were flying over our heads. Of course, I made a couple of shots.

Tu-95MC

http://s50.radikal.ru/i129/0812/75/0eb287e5ea1c.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)

http://s57.radikal.ru/i157/0812/df/e2ff7073d87d.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)

Tu-22M3

http://s57.radikal.ru/i156/0812/d9/7d25fbfbdc4b.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)

Il-78 flying tanker (it was flying ruther far away):

http://s54.radikal.ru/i144/0812/27/0a450545552a.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)

GazB
12-07-2008, 08:31 PM
Besides, most of the people in Russia still don't understand what do they need "5-6 aircraft carriers" for.

The number is no surprise. 6 carriers would guarantee to have two carriers on station at all times. Most like the Northern fleet and the Pacific fleet. A carrier has three phases of operation. At sea operational, training and in overhaul. If you have three carriers then one can be operational, one in training and one in overhaul, and they can be rotated so that one is always on call. If necessary with 6 carriers you could get 4 ships to sea if there was an emergency.

The point of carriers is to introduce airpower to your fleet. With airpower you have much greater range of vision thanks to AEW aircraft. You are better able to defend the ships from air attack. You are able to hunt submarines much more aggressively. You are able to attack enemy surface and land targets much more effectively.

In other words your vision and reach are greatly increased. With modern ship air defences become more and more capable smaller lighter weapons that can be used in large numbers can be used to soften a target before the larger heavier weapons are tried.


No, it is a "brother" of OSV-96.

Ahhh, so it is a bullpup bolt action version of a semi automatic conventional rifle.
It is clear they wanted a shorter but more accurate model. Wonder what they want that for?

emind
12-07-2008, 09:46 PM
If anyone is intrested, here is the book about heroes of Russia - "Военные Звёзды":
part 1 - http://www.akovalev.ru/Tom_01-pravka.pdf
part 2 - http://www.akovalev.ru/Tom_02.pdf
Gotta know russian lang to understand. Pictures are mostly irrelevant.

RomanS
12-07-2008, 09:54 PM
/\ Ukrainians

DF
12-07-2008, 09:57 PM
http://samizdata.net/~pdeh/russian_specops_sniper.jpg
/\ Ukrainians

are you sure?

RomanS
12-07-2008, 10:03 PM
are you sure?

positive

:)

RomanS
12-07-2008, 10:10 PM
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/world/2005-12/30/content_543143_2.htm

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/world/2005-12/30/xin_0112023010201252652019.jpg


Ukrainian military personnel smile and wave on their reuturn from Iraq to Lviv airport, December 29, 2005. Ukraine on Thursday completed the withdrawal of its troops stationed in the city of Kut, southeast of Baghdad.[*******]

Mousepad
12-07-2008, 10:18 PM
http://samizdata.net/~pdeh/russian_specops_sniper.jpg

are you sure?

IIRC it's a pic from "Moscow Nord-Ost crisis"

DF
12-07-2008, 10:23 PM
IIRC it's a pic from "Moscow Nord-Ost crisis"

Yeah... 39 of the rebals were killed.

Skopf
12-07-2008, 10:52 PM
Yeah... 39 of the rebals were killed.
probably u mean terrorists ?

DF
12-07-2008, 11:00 PM
probably u mean terrorists ?

uhh yeah... i was thinking of something but didnt they Rebals ake the hostages?

Kutuzov
12-08-2008, 01:06 AM
uhh yeah... i was thinking of something but didnt they Rebals ake the hostages?

Huh? What ?

Kutuzov
12-08-2008, 01:07 AM
http://www.redsoldier.invisionzone.com/uploads/1162402420/med_gallery_1_7_75158.jpg

Russian photos here dude forget Poland.

Vic Vega
12-08-2008, 10:09 AM
Help Svetlana Bakhmina! Russia without dictatorship!

http://bakhmina.ru/en/

User_Name
12-08-2008, 10:12 AM
Help Svetlana Bakhmina! Russia without dictatorship!

http://bakhmina.ru/en/

No politics here, ITS FUKKIN PICS TREAD!!!!

Vic Vega
12-08-2008, 10:20 AM
Hey, guys! I have finally found this damned SURPAT!

http://www.survivalcorps.ru/UserFiles/Image/surpat1.jpg

Mormaeglin
12-08-2008, 10:41 AM
Blagodarju Vic for that camo picture!

Vic Vega
12-08-2008, 10:45 AM
Blagodarju Vic for that camo picture!

Yes, but as you can see, it is quite similar to MARPAT.

JohnnyWalker
12-08-2008, 02:17 PM
http://samizdata.net/%7Epdeh/russian_specops_sniper.jpg

are you sure?

no... this is a picture from the nord-ost theatere seige

eskachig
12-08-2008, 03:27 PM
IIRC it's a pic from "Moscow Nord-Ost crisis"That was a brilliant tactical operation executed perfectly by the SF that was marred terribly by whoever was responsible for coordinating the different government elements together. So many hostage deaths could have been avoided simply by having enough paramedics and ambulances on hand.

JohnnyWalker
12-08-2008, 03:33 PM
sudbin (http://militaryphotos.net/forums/member.php?u=61287), you lucky SOB. Did you photograph more of the planes or of the cars in the rally?

Ronguild
12-08-2008, 03:45 PM
Time to post pics of a future LCM for the Russian navy : The project 20180 "DUGON" (ПР. 20180 "ДЮГОНЬ") :

http://i398.photobucket.com/albums/pp65/ronguild/1.jpg

http://i398.photobucket.com/albums/pp65/ronguild/2.jpg

http://i398.photobucket.com/albums/pp65/ronguild/3.jpg

I haven't managed to find the builder site.

piton_kaa
12-08-2008, 04:17 PM
Ronguild, internetz say in 2006 constructuion of "Dugong" was started at Shipbuilding factory "Volga", Nizhnii Novgorod (http://www.volga-shipyard.com/index.php?section=products&lang=eng) (unfortunately, no info on that very vessel on the site)
Designer - In the mane of R.E. Alekseev Central design office on hydrofoil vessels (http://www.ckbspk.ru/) (only russian, also no info about Dugong on site)

Bigbear
12-08-2008, 06:05 PM
Museum of military counterspionage:

http://www.fishki.net/comment.php?id=45239

shoora
12-08-2008, 06:38 PM
Help Svetlana Bakhmina! Russia without dictatorship!

http://bakhmina.ru/en/
Stupid bookkeeper of YUKOS?
Get out of picture thread!

emind
12-08-2008, 09:12 PM
Help Svetlana Bakhmina! Russia without dictatorship!

http://bakhmina.ru/en/

Helping Sveta Bahmina is a good cause. I've signed the petition - don't know if it'll help. But do not give me this dictatorship stuff. You should know better. (...)

GazB
12-09-2008, 01:09 AM
Pretty suspicious though... she is in prison for 4 years and then just in time for her parole hearing she is suddenly pregnant again. Sounds like she is happy to use her children as a way of getting out of punishment for something she presumably did.
Using loopholes in the law is probably what got her in trouble in the first place, now she is trying to get out of prison early?

User_Name
12-09-2008, 01:54 AM
Pretty suspicious though... she is in prison for 4 years and then just in time for her parole hearing she is suddenly pregnant again. Sounds like she is happy to use her children as a way of getting out of punishment for something she presumably did.
Using loopholes in the law is probably what got her in trouble in the first place, now she is trying to get out of prison early?

Yep, we should call it magic. She use her child to get what she wants.
And before her case there were thousand mothers locked up because of criminal acts and there were no such noise from "free" press and "human rights organizations" to improve their custody situation or to let them free.

TheArmenian
12-09-2008, 02:25 AM
Ronguild, internetz say in 2006 constructuion of "Dugong" was started at Shipbuilding factory "Volga", Nizhnii Novgorod (http://www.volga-shipyard.com/index.php?section=products&lang=eng) (unfortunately, no info on that very vessel on the site)
Designer - In the mane of R.E. Alekseev Central design office on hydrofoil vessels (http://www.ckbspk.ru/) (only russian, also no info about Dugong on site)

Try this site: http://www.hydrofoils.org/

and click on air cavity ships.

Unfortunately a 2 line explanation but no photos.

Vic Vega
12-09-2008, 04:28 AM
Stupid bookkeeper of YUKOS?
Get out of picture thread!

No, you are stupid. You are another stupid idiot, who like Putin and other dictators.

asch
12-09-2008, 04:30 AM
No, you are stupid. You are another stupid idiot, who like Putin and other dictators.
let's ****in' abstain from political bull**** in this thread, huh?

Vic Vega
12-09-2008, 04:36 AM
Yep, we should call it magic. She use her child to get what she wants.
And before her case there were thousand mothers locked up because of criminal acts and there were no such noise from "free" press and "human rights organizations" to improve their custody situation or to let them free.

Of course, russians never protest against government. Russians are the most passive people in the world.

Vic Vega
12-09-2008, 04:41 AM
62465

62466

62467

62468

Vic Vega
12-09-2008, 04:50 AM
That was a brilliant tactical operation executed perfectly by the SF that was marred terribly by whoever was responsible for coordinating the different government elements together. So many hostage deaths could have been avoided simply by having enough paramedics and ambulances on hand.

If this operation would have been brilliant, hostages wouldn't need many paramedics.

Kvakva
12-09-2008, 04:57 AM
No, you are stupid. You are another stupid idiot, who like Putin and other dictators.
This is
Strictly Photos & Video (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=6)
Post photos and discuss them.

You want to talk about politics go to the
Political Discussions and Rants (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=12)
Simply put respect the rules and don't ruin threads. Otherwise f8ck off from this tread.

nsp
12-09-2008, 05:22 AM
Vic Vega:

Stop making Russia look evil, brainwashed "Echo of Moscow" lover.:-P

sudbin
12-09-2008, 05:33 AM
sudbin (http://militaryphotos.net/forums/member.php?u=61287), you lucky SOB. Did you photograph more of the planes or of the cars in the rally?

My duty was to shoot the race. so not always the proper lens was on my camera. But there were no other types flying, planes were not manuevering - just taking off... I have some more images - but they are very similiar.

nsp
12-09-2008, 05:35 AM
http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/7363/1013ng5.th.jpg (http://img265.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1013ng5.jpg)http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/4281/1017yy8.th.jpg (http://img527.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1017yy8.jpg)http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/6590/1033je2.th.jpg (http://img527.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1033je2.jpg)


http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/2254/1034ii6.th.jpg (http://img211.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1034ii6.jpg)http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/4513/1035mk9.th.jpg (http://img508.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1035mk9.jpg)http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/838/1051rt3.th.jpg (http://img211.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1051rt3.jpg)

http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/1388/1045su3.th.jpg (http://img527.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1045su3.jpg)http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/4426/1047zc1.th.jpg (http://img258.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1047zc1.jpg)

nsp
12-09-2008, 05:45 AM
http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/1747/835al9.th.jpg (http://img354.imageshack.us/my.php?image=835al9.jpg)
http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/2123/836ot6.th.jpg (http://img383.imageshack.us/my.php?image=836ot6.jpg)

VK-SF
12-09-2008, 05:49 AM
Yes, but as you can see, it is quite similar to MARPAT.
.....or Colombian digital cammo pattern???p-)
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=60594&page=69

Hazard1024
12-09-2008, 09:34 AM
Flying tanks FTW!

ult
12-09-2008, 10:15 AM
If this operation would have been brilliant, hostages wouldn't need many paramedics.

Now you officially retarted. Yeah, everyone would be just fine without sleeping gas etc. You know better than alpha I guess, or at least you think so. Well, what else we could expect from ""Echo of Moscow" lover".

"Russians are the most passive people in the world."
Все пассивное быдло, один ты рупор демократии.

molokofreak
12-09-2008, 11:09 AM
"Russians are the most passive people in the world."
Все пассивное быдло, один ты рупор демократии.
don't feed the troll!

JohnnyWalker
12-09-2008, 11:34 AM
Thank you NSP

nsp
12-09-2008, 12:24 PM
Thank you NSP
Your welcome.p-)

And anyone have a photos with guys like this MGS3 Ocelot unit?:-)
http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/6691/ocelotunitrk7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
I mean with beret on mask.


I'm unfortunately found only one photo like this on mp.net.
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/3546/0000265829012oy9.th.jpg (http://img504.imageshack.us/my.php?image=0000265829012oy9.jpg)

Mousepad
12-09-2008, 12:29 PM
Your welcome.p-)

And anyone have a photos with guys like this MGS3 Ocelot unit?
http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/6691/ocelotunitrk7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
I mean with beret on mask.




It's looks like CG, coz maroon beret was introduced in 1995 IIRC, but they have soviet VV-Vnutrennie Voiska (Internal troops) Погоны (english?) you will hardly find any. Or you interested in any branch with beret on top of balaclava?

Cocaine
12-09-2008, 12:32 PM
Now you officially retarted. Yeah, everyone would be just fine without sleeping gas etc. You know better than alpha I guess, or at least you think so. Well, what else we could expect from ""Echo of Moscow" lover".

"Russians are the most passive people in the world."
Все пассивное быдло, один ты рупор демократии.

Do not feed this troll.
Не корми тролля, убьешь ветку.
Любая власть от бога.
Плохая, хорошая ли, но Родина одна и служим мы Родине.
А уж потом власти.

Any authority (power of goverment) from the god.
Bad, whether good, but the Native land (Russia) one we also serve the Native land.
And then authorities (goverment).

nsp
12-09-2008, 12:37 PM
Or you interested in any branch with beret on top of balaclava?
Yes yes. 12345

Cocaine
12-09-2008, 12:37 PM
helping sveta bahmina is a good cause. I've signed the petition - don't know if it'll help. But do not give me this dictatorship stuff. You should know better. (...)

Бля. Куда модераторы смотрят???????
Сука 300 лямов украла и ее на свободу?
Страдалица бля за веру.
Модеры предупредите людей!
Какое отношение вся эта блевота к фото вооружения имеет?

Where moderators look???????
300 millions has stolen also it on freedom?
Moderators warn people!
All this **** to a photo of arms has what attitude?

Mousepad
12-09-2008, 12:41 PM
Бля. Куда модераторы смотрят???????
Сука 300 лямов украла и ее на свободу?
Страдалица бля за веру.
Модеры предупредите людей!
Какое отношение вся эта блевота к фото вооружения имеет?

Dude, stop it, or write at least in English, we're on US forum anyway. Guy got what was due, leave it at that.

Edit: You fast on keyboard :)

AlexMartin2
12-09-2008, 12:42 PM
Cocaine (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/member.php?u=57730), a little advice: delete your posts, this is wrong place to discuss it. Anyway I dont think that non-Russian people will understand your resentment.

sepheronx
12-09-2008, 12:55 PM
62465

62466

62467

62468

I take it these are western made optics? Or is it made in Russia/Belarus?

SniperLane
12-09-2008, 01:04 PM
can anyone post some more photos of russian machinegunners please....

nsp
12-09-2008, 01:25 PM
can anyone post some more photos of russian machinegunners please....

http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/1431/327bigwp8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/3871/pkm7rj6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/9348/41mi17qv5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/4372/pechenegstrelbaei2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

piton_kaa
12-09-2008, 02:38 PM
Yes yes.
IMO almost impossible - berets are not worn on top of balaklava\headband- it's a bit silly, isn't that?
BTW, according to current uniforms regulations, there's no such item as balaklava (at least in president's order of 2005 or in FSB order of 2008).
According to old MoD order of 1997 (now out of power), cap comforters could be worn as a part of winter set of field uniforms.
Looks like it's all out of uniforms regulations (if only not regulated by some classified orders;))

Karl_Kroenen
12-09-2008, 03:58 PM
IMO almost impossible - berets are not worn on top of balaklava\headband- it's a bit silly, isn't that?
BTW, according to current uniforms regulations, there's no such item as balaklava (at least in president's order of 2005 or in FSB order of 2008).
According to old MoD order of 1997 (now out of power), cap comforters could be worn as a part of winter set of field uniforms.
Looks like it's all out of uniforms regulations (if only not regulated by some classified orders;))

FSB is no longer supposed to wear balaclavas? What kind of regulation is that? What about TsSN?

RomanS
12-09-2008, 04:26 PM
I see any more politics here, I will gladly ask mods to remove a few people.

piton_kaa
12-09-2008, 04:32 PM
FSB is no longer supposed to wear balaclavas? What kind of regulation is that? What about TsSN?
Hm, well... couple of month ago and yesterday they (FSB servicemen) were wearing'em.
Balaklavas, masks and cap comforters are not mentioned in FSB Director's order "On military uniforms for FSB servicemen (with uniforms, insignia and awards wearing regulations) # 130. Issued 03/31/2008
But that doesn't mean those items are not in use ;)
I can ask bout some top secret order comcerning masks, but i suppose in that case i'll be looking like idiot=)
Existing regulations concerning gear&equipment confg in TsSN is not available to me - i'm not in stuff

Foxtrot^(
12-09-2008, 04:50 PM
The LCM looks formidable, but isn't it an offensive weapon? The way the world is today, it appears combatant jobs are a growth industry. I spent years practicing for a Cold War conflict, sometimes it seems like we're closer now than ever. Let's face it we're very good at what we do, I pity who's ever left.

http://i398.photobucket.com/albums/pp65/ronguild/1.jpg

http://i398.photobucket.com/albums/pp65/ronguild/2.jpg

http://i398.photobucket.com/albums/pp65/ronguild/3.jpg

I haven't managed to find the builder site.[/quote]

JohnnyWalker
12-09-2008, 05:20 PM
can anyone post some more photos of russian machinegunners please....


http://i35.*******.com/20qz6mw.jpg
http://i36.*******.com/8yexc0.jpg
http://i37.*******.com/27xplyw.jpg

Hump
12-09-2008, 05:54 PM
Hi Guys, I Google Earthed the city where those LCM's were supposedly being made Nizhnii Novgorod and had a look around. I found a SUBMARINE, that far inland I was amazed. I traced the journey back to the White Sea and also to Saint Petersburg, the captain must have been a bloody superman to navigate through the river system. Absolutely incredible.
****

Bro Jangles
12-09-2008, 07:26 PM
http://i36.*******.com/8yexc0.jpg

suppressed PKM?

asch
12-09-2008, 07:34 PM
suppressed PKM?
nope. AEK-999

Bro Jangles
12-09-2008, 07:39 PM
nope. AEK-999 is that the one that can also use ak74 mags?

asch
12-09-2008, 07:41 PM
is that the one that can also use ak74 mags?
AK-74: 5.45x39mm
AEK-999: 7.62x54mm
;)

Bro Jangles
12-09-2008, 07:43 PM
AK-74: 5.45x39mm
AEK-999: 7.62x54mm
;)
oh ok, haven't caught up with the new russian toys.

asch
12-09-2008, 08:00 PM
oh ok, haven't caught up with the new russian toys.
AEK-999 "Барсук" ("Badger") general purpose machine gun.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AEK-999 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AEK-999)
not much, but all available info.

LEGEND
12-09-2008, 10:43 PM
Saiga-12 (AK based shotgun)
http://www.youtube.com/v/lUe4NWiOq5A

Someones gonna feel their shoulder in the morning...

ctirip
12-10-2008, 02:47 AM
Time to post pics of a future LCM for the Russian navy : The project 20180 "DUGON" (ПР. 20180 "ДЮГОНЬ").
The correct project number for this vessel is 21820 - not 20180. The first unit was laid down at Volga Shipyard (Nizhniy Novgorod) on February 21, 2006.

jackehammond
12-10-2008, 02:56 AM
http://i35.*******.com/20qz6mw.jpg
http://i36.*******.com/8yexc0.jpg
http://i37.*******.com/27xplyw.jpg

Folks,

Just curious: Why has the Russian Army stayed with a rim round for its light machine guns? What is the advantage of it? I know there is a big disadvantage as the round can not be pushed through the link belt but has to be first extracted from the belt and then pushed forward to be chambered? Any comments welcomed.

Jack E. Hammond

.

mannelig
12-10-2008, 03:53 AM
Folks,

Just curious: Why has the Russian Army stayed with a rim round for its light machine guns? What is the advantage of it? I know there is a big disadvantage as the round can not be pushed through the link belt but has to be first extracted from the belt and then pushed forward to be chambered? Any comments welcomed.

Jack E. Hammond

.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:7.62_x_54_R.jpg - watch this and you will undertand why.:)
BTW MG-3 has the same "round to be first extracted from the belt and then pushed forward to be chambered" system :)

Dark Avenger
12-10-2008, 03:54 AM
Convenience? Already in production for a long time, powerful, etc.
Remember the Brits kept the .303" (also rimmed) even after WW-II until they replaced it with the 7,62x51 NATO round. But a rimless version would definitely be better.

EDIT: As Mannelig wrote, non-disintegrating belt feed weapons need to have the round extracted from the belt first.

GazB
12-10-2008, 05:31 AM
I know there is a big disadvantage as the round can not be pushed through the link belt but has to be first extracted from the belt and then pushed forward to be chambered?

That disadvantage can also be an advantage in a machinegun because yanking the round backwards and then slamming if forward into the chamber often shakes off dirt or contamination from the round.

Having a rimmed case also makes it cheaper to make the weapons because the headspacing is less critical AFAIK. Precise headspacing is needed for accuracy on rounds that are not rimmed because of the way the round is supported inside the chamber.

At the end of the day it does the job, and Russia never had a NATO to tell it what sort of ammo it was allowed to use. It is currently sucessfully used in bolt action rifles, semi auto rifles, belt fed machineguns and belt fed gatling guns.
The fastest firing rifle calibre machinegun in service in WWII was probably the Ultra SHKaS at 3,000 rpm firing this round and the current GShG-7.62 4 barrel gatling gun fires at 6,000 rpm. From memory the Ultra ShKAS and the ShKAS used special disintegrating link belts made of hardened steel. I don't know about the GShG.

The rim isn't perfect for large box magazines, though the Bren gun managed to use a 30 round mag. The DPM of WWII had a 60 round drum mag that seemed to to the job.

Bolt
12-10-2008, 06:00 AM
The DPM of WWII had a 60 round drum mag that seemed to to the job
As a little nitpick: DP and DPM had 47 round in their drums, as far as I know.

KoTeMoRe
12-10-2008, 06:02 AM
As a little nitpick: DP and DPM had 47 round in their drums, as far as I know.


Counted 51 rounds fired on some during military service...yes In Albania, those were still kicking!

TheArmenian
12-10-2008, 06:26 AM
As a little nitpick: DP and DPM had 47 round in their drums, as far as I know.

Correct. 47 in the drum is the correct number.



http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i253/tozman/milsurp/DP-27-1.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i253/tozman/milsurp/dp-27.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i253/tozman/milsurp/1526346.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i253/tozman/milsurp/1526349.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i253/tozman/milsurp/1526351.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i253/tozman/milsurp/1494107.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i253/tozman/milsurp/1498286.jpg

TheArmenian
12-10-2008, 06:40 AM
A family photo

http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/9027/1695832yp1.jpg

APS (Stechkin) - SR-1 Gyrza (Vektor) - Grach (PYa) - PSS - PM (Makarov)

Kutuzov
12-10-2008, 07:14 AM
Could anyone let me know, whats the first movie called? It looks like a WWII movie and the guy seem to be an Orthodox priest.

Shtrafbat = Penalbatallion.

Dark Avenger
12-10-2008, 07:31 AM
As a little nitpick: DP and DPM had 47 round in their drums, as far as I know.

And 60 for DT/DTM variant. ;)

piton_kaa
12-10-2008, 07:41 AM
63 rounds drum for DT/DTM AFAIK

Dark Avenger
12-10-2008, 09:53 AM
OOPs! Typo.... Thanks I'll correct it.

Shaddieslav
12-10-2008, 10:02 AM
Shtrafbat = Penalbatallion.


Thanx a lot :)

medo
12-10-2008, 01:40 PM
Which truck will russian army use for their Pantsirs? This one or Kamaz truck? Does russian army receive any serial Pantsir-S1 yet?

TheArmenian
12-10-2008, 01:57 PM
^^^
Thanks for the photos. First time I see the Pantzir on a BAZ chassis.

I am not sure, but this may be the setup for the Russian army. Where did you get theses photos Medo?

medo
12-10-2008, 02:27 PM
I get them in one of www.pvo.guns.ru forums, here is the link:

http://talks.guns.ru/forummessage/71/248987-4.html

But as I understand, there is still no info about pantsirs for russian army.

Mormaeglin
12-10-2008, 05:04 PM
63 rounds drum for DT/DTM AFAIK

Tell me please, such magazine could be put on regular DPM/DP?

[Odemkirtariy][UA]
12-10-2008, 05:28 PM
I would like to thank everybody here again for this wonderfull thread!
Let's keep on building it!

piton_kaa
12-10-2008, 05:34 PM
Tell me please, such magazine could be put on regular DPM/DP?

Dunno to tell the truth.
DP and DT component were unified and interchangeable, so may be it could.
Also DT/DTM had bipod with foresight, sliding metal butt and were used like infantry MG by crew of destroyed tanks.

Mormaeglin
12-10-2008, 05:54 PM
Spasiba :)

GazB
12-10-2008, 05:55 PM
Tell me please, such magazine could be put on regular DPM/DP?

I assumed so, have seen several photos of the large double stack magazine but it is always on the tank or aviation versions of the weapon.

piton_kaa
12-10-2008, 06:02 PM
Nema za sh'o=)
Welcome!

matthew.manhorn
12-10-2008, 09:59 PM
Awesome Stechkin Armenian, too bad we can't own them in the states :(

GazB
12-11-2008, 01:19 AM
Awesome Stechkin Armenian, too bad we can't own them in the states

For years I have read about the Stechkin, with western experts deciding machine pistols are a military dead end and therefore classifying the Stechkin to the bin of history. It was too big and heavy, and at the same time the rate of fire was too high to control.

Of course even without using the full auto feature the weapon is only slightly heavier than a 45 calibre colt pistol, yet it holds 13 rounds more... almost three times more shots. Now the 9 x 18mm is not a super powerful round but three hits from a 9mm of any case length is not to be sneezed at. Of course three rounds taking off three finger tips cannot be compared to a 45 through the eye socket, but the mild 9mm round was quite accurate from the Stechkins longer barrel and there was no flinch to deal with.
And of course when the target is real close a burst of rounds reminds us why SMGs are so much more effective than pistols.

Then in the 70s and 80s a few western pistols adopted multishot capacity, like the H&K VP-70Z... which looked very cool too, and of course a full auto capable Glock was also released. Unfortunately most of the Gun books are copy and pasted regarding old Soviet weapons so they never got past the big heavy pistol and machine pistols are obsolete. The fact that the Stechkin is still around and in use and new pistols capable of full auto fire are being developed to replace it suggests to me the western experts are completely wrong.

takavar92
12-11-2008, 01:46 AM
Which truck will russian army use for their Pantsirs? This one or Kamaz truck? Does russian army receive any serial Pantsir-S1 yet?

Its the latest version of the Pantsir-S1 on BAZ-6909-019 chassis

GazB
12-11-2008, 02:16 AM
Here is a pdf format document I recently found on Russian hand grenades that I had not read about before, including stun and flash grenades and a FAE handgrenade.

www.be-and-co.com/oaf_pdf/oaf_010766.pdf (http://www.be-and-co.com/oaf_pdf/oaf_010766.pdf)

Have heard about the RGO and RGN grenades but not these.

GazB
12-11-2008, 02:17 AM
BTW also this might interest some... it is a procurement list for the Russian interior ministry for 2007 showing the cost in roubles and US dollars:

http://mdb.cast.ru/mdb/3-2007/ff/article1/

TR1
12-11-2008, 02:32 AM
For years I have read about the Stechkin, with western experts deciding machine pistols are a military dead end and therefore classifying the Stechkin to the bin of history. It was too big and heavy, and at the same time the rate of fire was too high to control.

Of course even without using the full auto feature the weapon is only slightly heavier than a 45 calibre colt pistol, yet it holds 13 rounds more... almost three times more shots. Now the 9 x 18mm is not a super powerful round but three hits from a 9mm of any case length is not to be sneezed at. Of course three rounds taking off three finger tips cannot be compared to a 45 through the eye socket, but the mild 9mm round was quite accurate from the Stechkins longer barrel and there was no flinch to deal with.
And of course when the target is real close a burst of rounds reminds us why SMGs are so much more effective than pistols.

Then in the 70s and 80s a few western pistols adopted multishot capacity, like the H&K VP-70Z... which looked very cool too, and of course a full auto capable Glock was also released. Unfortunately most of the Gun books are copy and pasted regarding old Soviet weapons so they never got past the big heavy pistol and machine pistols are obsolete. The fact that the Stechkin is still around and in use and new pistols capable of full auto fire are being developed to replace it suggests to me the western experts are completely wrong.
i have had a similar experience to you Gaz, in regards to Western literature regarding the Stechkin. This forum really proved the fallacy of those claims.

Dark Avenger
12-11-2008, 04:12 AM
Dunno to tell the truth.
DP and DT component were unified and interchangeable, so may be it could.
Also DT/DTM had bipod with foresight, sliding metal butt and were used like infantry MG by crew of destroyed tanks.

If the mag attachment was the same, theoretically the DP could tale the DT mag, but it would obstruct the sights.

Marce
12-11-2008, 05:49 AM
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=147593
Nobody???
Thanks.

Arbody
12-11-2008, 06:32 AM
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=147593
Nobody???
Thanks.

here
http://www.interpolitex.rasu.ru/index.php?rubr=2

http://www.army.informost.ru/2008/index.php only in russian

Marce
12-11-2008, 06:42 AM
here
http://www.interpolitex.rasu.ru/index.php?rubr=2

http://www.army.informost.ru/2008/index.php only in russian

Thanks a lot.

Arbody
12-11-2008, 06:49 AM
Thanks a lot.

no problemo
another one
better p-)
http://www.radioscanner.ru/trx/military/severok_k.php

Marce
12-11-2008, 07:15 AM
no problemo
another one
better p-)
http://www.radioscanner.ru/trx/military/severok_k.php

Hahaha; thanks, only russian its very hard to me :), but thanks.

zanuda
12-11-2008, 07:31 AM
It's called Su-25T(M) in Russian service, and a handful at best. Production sort of died after fall of SU, and their combat testing in Chechnya is a matter of debate.



Су-39 (Су-25ТМ)
СОСТОЯНИЕ ПРОГРАММЫ. Серийное производство самолета освоено на заводе в Улан-Удэ.

Cy-39(Cy-25TM)
program status: series production of aircraft open up in Ula**** factory
http://www.aviaport.ru/directory/aviation/459.html
( http://www.airwar.ru/enc/attack/su39.html )

____________

http://www.izvestia.ru/news/news194007?print

www.translate.ru translate:
The uhlan-Udensky aircraft factory has begun flight tests of pre-production models of an attack plane of Su-25UbM. The first flight of the car in has successfully passed 35 minutes in the Cuban situated near Moscow. Till the end of the year first skilled Su-25UbM will be transferred for state tests which will come to the end in 2009. The Russian defensive department, as well as foreign customers, now studies possibility of purchase of party such "сушек". Planes Su-25UbM and Su-25Tm are deep modernisation of plane Su-25 which has well proved in local military conflicts. New attack planes are capable to carry out more effectively fighting operations at any time and in any weather conditions. Су-25УБМ and Su-25Tm differ from base model the modern electronic equipment, more powerful high-precision arms, possibility of the automated performance of the fighting problem raised by reliability, lower expenses on operation, notices ITAR-TASS. According to the main designer "ОКБ Dry", president НПК "Attack planes Dry" Vladimir Babaka, during five-day war in Georgia baptism of fire of Su-25Sm "the Rook" possessing more perfect precisely-navigating complex has actually taken place. "At performance of fighting starts these cars were used conducting, and conducted - Su-25 which have done not pass modernisation, - he has noted. - the assault aircraft has executed all tasks in view. The general conclusion: for destruction of the purposes in the field of fight, and furthermore in mountain district application of attack planes optimal. Even in the remote prospect other aviation complexes carry out such problem cannot more effectively"." Accuracy of navigation and fighting application of uncontrollable aviation arms has increased in one and a half time, and in bombing application has reached level of accuracy of operated means of defeat, - the designer has noted. - there was possible a bombing from various kinds of maneuver, and at navigating bombing from height of 5 km the maximum deviation of an ammunition has made 25 metres "." Earlier some experts declared that attack planes can work effectively only at weak air defence. Today such statements it is given up as a bad job. From fighting starts after damage by rockets of complexes of air defence on a home airfield three Su-25Sm who will be repaired "have returned, - recognised Babak.

medo
12-11-2008, 01:39 PM
In site www.pvo.guns.ru i see, they have great magazine about air defense with a name VKO. Does someone know if there is any option to get this magazines in pdf format to download them?

SniperLane
12-11-2008, 04:26 PM
thx nsp wonderfull how the photos are taking you thru the years :)

GazB
12-11-2008, 04:53 PM
If the mag attachment was the same, theoretically the DP could tale the DT mag, but it would obstruct the sights.The important point is that even though the round is rimmed there are solutions to ensure there are no feeding problems, Large capacity box mags need serious curvature, but a drum or belt feed solve those problems. Belt feed with a box holding the belt is probably the most flexible option but is rarely as reliable as a box or drum.

The first light machinegun that could use magazine(drum) feed or belt feed with a removable barrel in Soviet service was the RP46. It was dropped in favour of the belt fed RPD and then that was replaced by the RPK magazine fed LMG with the RPK-74 taking its place with the move to 5.45mm. Now it seems the Pecheneg has taken Russian LMGs back to 7.62 x 54mm ammo and belt feed again.

Flankerman
12-11-2008, 05:26 PM
I'm currently making the Hobby Boss model Mi-8MTV Hip helicopter - and I'm planning to do it as an Afghan bird - with IR supressors, nose-mounted and rear door-mounted PKT machine guns.

I'm looking for good photos of the internal armour plate fitted in the cockpit - and the ammo drums and feed to the nose PKT.

Any such photos would be very useful....

Thanks

Ken

TR1
12-11-2008, 06:43 PM
Ill believe these claims of series production Su-39s entering service when I see them flying around.


The first Su-25UBM flying will be good news though, these two seaters will assist the Su-25SM force nicely.

GazB
12-11-2008, 08:24 PM
Hopefully with the experience in the war in Georgia perhaps they will add MANTA DIRCM systems to the Su-25SM upgrade, or perhaps even switch from the SM to the TM upgrades in some modified form. I think much of the expensive built in stuff used in the TM could be replaced with an external pod like the French Damocles targetting pod they are adopting for their Flankers.

(info on MANTA: http://www.scorpion.com.gr/manta.asp )

Zmey
12-11-2008, 10:02 PM
Question for the smallarms experts. Preferably with hands-on experience.

Are AK-47 7,62x36 magazines interchangable with AK-74 5,45x39 magazines? Namely can you load 5,45 rounds (less than full 30) into standard 7,62 magazine and fire w/o misfeeding?

TIA

RomanS
12-11-2008, 10:59 PM
Question for the smallarms experts. Preferably with hands-on experience.

Are AK-47 7,62x36 magazines interchangable with AK-74 5,45x39 magazines? Namely can you load 5,45 rounds (less than full 30) into standard 7,62 magazine and fire w/o misfeeding?

TIA

Negative

AK-47 Magazine for 7.62x39 will not properly load the 5.45 amunition. And the same goes for the 5.45x39 magazines loading 7.62 rounds.

the 7.62 mags are wider, 5.45 will just be loose in it.

GazB
12-11-2008, 11:49 PM
Are AK-47 7,62x36 magazines interchangable with AK-74 5,45x39 magazines? Namely can you load 5,45 rounds (less than full 30) into standard 7,62 magazine and fire w/o misfeeding?

If you look carefully at an AK-47/AKM round you will see that its sides are not parallel. Its base is slightly wider than near the neck of the round. This means that when you stack a whole lot together they will form a natural curve which is why the 7.62 x 39mm magazines are curved so they fit in correctly. Note the reason the rounds are tapered is to make it less likely that an expanded case with stick in the chamber. A very wide base means that you a sticking a small narrow end of the bullet into the widest possible hole, which means more reliable feeding. A .22lr bullet on the other hand for example is feeding a .22 calibre diameter bullet into a .22 calibre diameter hole so there is less margin for error.

The 5.45mm round is also tapered but to a much lessor extent so its magazines have less curve. AK magazines for the 5.56mm rounds are nearly straight because the 5.56mm has almost a parallel sided case. That is the best way to differentiate the various calibres in the AK-100 series. The most curved are the AK-103 and AK-104 in 7.62 x 39mm, the next most curved is the AK-74M and the AK-105 in 5.45 x 39mm and the almost straight are the AK-101 and AK-102 in 5.56 x 45mm.

Zmey
12-12-2008, 12:52 AM
Negative

AK-47 Magazine for 7.62x39 will not properly load the 5.45 amunition. And the same goes for the 5.45x39 magazines loading 7.62 rounds.

the 7.62 mags are wider, 5.45 will just be loose in it.

Thanks dude!

Vovka
12-12-2008, 07:41 PM
THHough my previous post seemes to stand ignored, i would want to repeat myself.

Can anybody give any info or good pictures on AEK 971 assault rifle?

Mousepad
12-12-2008, 10:44 PM
THHough my previous post seemes to stand ignored, i would want to repeat myself.

Can anybody give any info or good pictures on AEK 971 assault rifle?

Will do? http://www.world.guns.ru/assault/as34-e.htm