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medo
11-23-2008, 11:58 AM
Is NSPU-3 the 2nd gen. 1PN51 II night sight? The 1st gen. II night sights were in production already in soviet times. I wonder why russian army doesn't use them in larger numbers or they just keep them in magazines? I know they have in production the 3rd gen. II night sights 1PN93 series. Does russian army get them in larger numbers or just some special units?

piton_kaa
11-23-2008, 12:11 PM
Can say nothing about night scopes\sights supply scheme in MoD. May be concreete brigade/division/what ever unit orders needed number of gear than it's supplied from mil stocks/purchased from manufacturer, don't know. Perhaps somebody will clear it?
Looks like NSPU-3 and NSPUM are pretty widespread.
Besides, as it's said on Izhmash web site, those scopes are not included in standart AK kit but could be supplied by demand.
So perhaps that depends upon speceific unit needs.

GazB
11-23-2008, 06:35 PM
Is NSPU-3 the 2nd gen. 1PN51 II night sight?AFAIK both are first gen.

Both have covers over the front lense that restrict the amount of light that gets in for day time use.

The NSPU-3 comes with about 7 ballistic cams for different calibres and weapons. As far as I can work out, and based on the weapons I have seen it fitted to, those cams are for the AKM, the AK-74, the RPK, the RPK-74, the PKM, and the RPG-7. Each weapon has different ballistics because of the different calibres and different barrel lengths.

For those that don't know the ballistic cams means that you can zero the scope and then dial up the range on the scope for a target at a known range without having to aim above or below the target.

piton_kaa
11-23-2008, 06:54 PM
In NSPU-3 (1PN51) used 2 gen. optoelectronic converters, in NSPUM/NSPUM-2 - first gen


As far as I can work out, and based on the weapons I have seen it fitted to, those cams are for the AKM, the AK-74, the RPK, the RPK-74, the PKM, and the RPG-7.
Description says of SVD, VSS, AK-74, AKM, AKS-74U, PKM, RPK-74, RPK, ASS ("Val" i guess), RPG-7

molokofreak
11-23-2008, 07:25 PM
#%$^ they huge...

emind
11-23-2008, 08:49 PM
http://www.skbm.ru/images/works/spec/bmp3/bmp3_4.jpg
newly modernized bmp with dynamic defence + arena

http://btvt.narod.ru/4/bmp3/bmp3_3.jpg
another version of bmp

http://gnomus.narod.ru/guns/tank/t72_3.jpg
latest modernization of t-72

http://otvaga2004.narod.ru/publ_w2/tanki_21.jpg
i wonder what hit this bmp3

http://mukhin.vif2.ru/Newgeneration/Arena/bmp3.JPG
another bmp3 with arena

http://armor.kiev.ua/ptur/azt/bmp3-a.jpg
one more

GazB
11-24-2008, 03:59 AM
#%$^ they huge...

A western "starlight scope" from the same time period was also very big too.


In NSPU-3 (1PN51) used 2 gen. optoelectronic converters, in NSPUM/NSPUM-2 - first gen

Thanks... learn a lot on this website... :)


Description says of SVD, VSS, AK-74, AKM, AKS-74U, PKM, RPK-74, RPK, ASS ("Val" i guess), RPG-7

Yes, now that you mention them I have seen them mounted on most of those weapons. BTW isn't it just AS for the Val?

Cocaine
11-24-2008, 05:32 AM
Dear Member,
Some trivia. If it had not been for the Russian supplied T-34/85s to North Korea the North Koreans would have suffered a massive defeat. The US Army that was sent to Korea was totally unaware about how good that tank was. They should have as German POWs could have told them. Also, a little touch of "to much" arrogance on the part of American generals played a big part.

Jack E. Hammond
.
Greetings dear Jack E. Hammond.
You consider the Korean conflict as something isolated. It is necessary to consider that the USA could not strike for the political reasons territories of China and the USSR.
Northkorean could be at war shovels instead of Т-34 while there was a support from China and the USSR war could last infinitely long.
Also it is not necessary to consider military iron without the military organization.
Presidents of the USA are wiser than the military USA, therefore we see result.
South Korea is undoubtedly more attractive than Northern Korea.
Without support of the USSR and China, the USA would finish the conflict for 3-5 months. With US victory.
Even at presence of many thousand Т-34 at Northern Korea.

piton_kaa
11-24-2008, 05:42 AM
Thanks... learn a lot on this website... :)
Yes, now that you mention them I have seen them mounted on most of those weapons. BTW isn't it just AS for the Val?
Welcome=)
In scanned manual it is called "ACC" so i decripted ot like "avtomat snaiperskiyi spetsialnii".
I googled a bit and find out that SVU-AS (http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sn19-e.htm) is often called "snaiperskiyi avtomat " but IMO it's theoretically incorrect ;) and BTW it could be marked in that manual as SVDU=)
As for "Val" it goes with 6P30 (6П30) GRAU index or you are absolutely right - AS.

So for that scope i vote for Val=)

Dark Avenger
11-24-2008, 09:01 AM
The T-72BM is in regular service as seen in the recent conflict in the Caucasus. I suppose you refer to the super-duper BM model, the "Rogatka".

Vympel
11-24-2008, 09:45 AM
http://www.skbm.ru/images/works/spec/bmp3/bmp3_4.jpg
It's nice to see more armor, but question is - can it swim?
btw, someone mentioned super t-72 ;D
Rogotka was just a test bed for a new russian systems

calimero2
11-24-2008, 10:03 AM
The T-72BM is in regular service as seen in the recent conflict in the Caucasus. I suppose you refer to the super-duper BM model, the "Rogatka".

Although the version with Kontakt-5 is generally referred to as T-72BM, this is not correct. Only the latest "Rogatka" upgrade is called T-72BM, so he's right. And the picture shows not the T-72AG but the similar T-72MP.

sepheronx
11-24-2008, 11:45 AM
The T-72BM is in regular service as seen in the recent conflict in the Caucasus. I suppose you refer to the super-duper BM model, the "Rogatka".

I guess so....the one with the Relikt third gen armor? What is the T-72BM that we saw in the conflict?

sepheronx
11-24-2008, 11:47 AM
Although the version with Kontakt-5 is generally referred to as T-72BM, this is not correct. Only the latest "Rogatka" upgrade is called T-72BM, so he's right. And the picture shows not the T-72AG but the similar T-72MP.

non the less, it is the Ukrainian variant of the tank, not Russian.

emind
11-24-2008, 02:19 PM
It's nice to see more armor, but question is - can it swim?
btw, someone mentioned super t-72 ;D
Rogotka was just a test bed for a new russian systems


This version of BMP cannot swin - its only for ground operations. Quoting one of the guys from testing buro: "this machine was recieved into russian forces right after 1st chechen war and dagestan, was intended to work in hills and mountains, therefore it has no ability for swim".

Dark Avenger
11-24-2008, 02:38 PM
It's nice to see more armor, but question is - can it swim?

According to the manufacturer's data (http://www.kurganmash.ru/en/machines/bmp3u/protection/shield/) it can still swim

Vehicle floatability retained

Note that the trim vane is retained and the bulk of the additional armor cells is designed to retain floatability despite the weight increase.

emind
11-24-2008, 02:40 PM
I believe that is the Ukrainian T-72AG tank. The T-72BM is the last variant for the Russian forces, and it is pretty much the T-90 with Relikt 3rd gen ERA armor and some other equipment, bringing it to be quite the beast. But only like a couple is in service.


looks like russian modernization of T-72 - T-72B Rogatka, which was first presented at REA 2006 Expo in Nizhny-Tagil. Here are some pics of the event:
http://btvt.narod.ru/5/rogatka/vid1.jpg

http://btvt.narod.ru/5/rogatka/vid3.jpg

http://btvt.narod.ru/5/rogatka/poli8.jpg

http://btvt.narod.ru/5/rogatka/vid7.jpg

http://btvt.narod.ru/5/rogatka/vid4.jpg

optical device for better maingun precision
http://btvt.narod.ru/5/rogatka/gsp5.jpg

http://btvt.narod.ru/5/rogatka/gsp3.jpg

Relikt dynamic defence
http://btvt.narod.ru/5/rogatka/dz9.jpg

http://btvt.narod.ru/5/rogatka/armor_72.gif

http://btvt.narod.ru/5/rogatka/fara1.jpg

http://btvt.narod.ru/5/rogatka/prizel1.jpg

http://btvt.narod.ru/5/rogatka/bashnja7.jpg

TheArmenian
11-24-2008, 03:20 PM
The new BUK. M2 or M3 (can't remember anymore).

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/8266/1666416et9.jpg

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/468/1666414if7.jpg

sudbin
11-24-2008, 03:27 PM
The new BUK. M2 or M3 (can't remember anymore).


This is Buk M2E ("E" for "EXPORT")

TheArmenian
11-24-2008, 03:27 PM
The SANKT PETERSBURG

More photos here: http://photofile.name/users/carpenco/2871377 (http://photofile.name/users/carpenco/2871377)

http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/4037/57473421ek7.jpg

TheArmenian
11-24-2008, 03:30 PM
This is Buk M2E ("E" for "EXPORT")

What truck chassis is it on? I remember something similar on the new TOR.
Is it a BAZ vehicle or maybe a KAMAZ chassis?

Vympel
11-25-2008, 04:31 AM
According to the manufacturer's data (http://www.kurganmash.ru/en/machines/bmp3u/protection/shield/) it can still swim


Note that the trim vane is retained and the bulk of the additional armor cells is designed to retain floatability despite the weight increase.

Thanks for the info. So this modification still retains it's versality, and with additional cage armor it can be evenly compared to western IFV's. One big minus is - lack of bahcha turret.


looks like russian modernization of T-72 - T-72B Rogatka, which was first presented at REA 2006 Expo in Nizhny-Tagil. Here are some pics of the event:
It's not finished product. It's just represents some technology, but lacks some of important.

Dark Avenger
11-25-2008, 04:43 AM
Interesting, what is wrong with the vehicles that already are used to tow TOR-M1 and BUK-M1? Why are we giving them new Chassis when exporting?


I'm guessing that they are not for front-line battlefield use. I mean, that's what the tracked chassis versions are for. The MZKT chassis versions are probably intended to be used as rear area air defense systems while retaining sufficient mobility to be rapidly deployable, as well as capable of changing position quickly to make enemy SEAD/DEAD efforts more difficult.

piton_kaa
11-25-2008, 04:55 AM
Interesting, what is wrong with the vehicles that already are used to tow TOR-M1 and BUK-M1? Why are we giving them new Chassis when exporting?
guess it's just market - some need track chassis, others - wheeled

Abbyy
11-25-2008, 05:37 AM
Naval arty firing range
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lTrTk0enmQ

Afro-European
11-25-2008, 05:59 AM
http://img.rian.ru/images/11852/02/118520200.jpg (http://en.rian.ru/photolents/20081125/118521428_2.html)


An international arms exhibition, Indo Defense 2008, was held in Jakarta, the Indonesian capital, on November 19-22


http://img.rian.ru/images/11852/02/118520217.jpg (http://en.rian.ru/photolents/20081125/118521428_3.html)


In addition to Rosoboronexport, the main Russian exhibitor, ten other organizations displayed their products


http://img.rian.ru/images/11852/03/118520373.jpg (http://en.rian.ru/photolents/20081125/118521428_4.html)


Over an area of 245 square meters, Russia displayed 300 types of advanced weaponry with models, posters, pamphlets and other promotional material.


http://img.rian.ru/images/11852/03/118520380.jpg (http://en.rian.ru/photolents/20081125/118521428_5.html)


Prominent were Mi-35 attack helicopters, Su-30MK2 multi-role fighters, Su-35 fighter-bombers, Project 636 diesel submarines, and armored vehicles for the marines


http://img.rian.ru/images/11852/00/118520094.jpg (http://en.rian.ru/photolents/20081125/118521428_6.html)


Sukhoi Aircraft were a show highlight


http://img.rian.ru/images/11852/03/118520326.jpg (http://en.rian.ru/photolents/20081125/118521428_7.html)


A model of the Su-35 at Indo Defense 2008


http://img.rian.ru/images/11852/02/118520249.jpg (http://en.rian.ru/photolents/20081125/118521428_8.html)


The Russian delegation had a number of meetings with representatives of the Defense Ministry of Indonesia and other countries.


http://img.rian.ru/images/11852/03/118520368.jpg (http://en.rian.ru/photolents/20081125/118521428_9.html)


Russian companies held 17 presentations for 80 specialists on all kinds of weaponry


http://img.rian.ru/images/11852/01/118520165.jpg (http://en.rian.ru/photolents/20081125/118521428_12.html)


Indo Defense first opened in 2004, and has been one of the largest and most representative arms shows in the Asia-Pacific region ever since


http://img.rian.ru/images/11852/03/118520309.jpg (http://en.rian.ru/photolents/20081125/118521428_13.html)


It is a biennial affair held under the sponsorship of Indonesia’s Defense Ministry, and is regarded as a bridge between Europe and South East Asia in military technical cooperation


http://img.rian.ru/images/11852/03/118520331.jpg (http://en.rian.ru/photolents/20081125/118521428_14.html)


Last year the show drew 400 exhibitors from 37 countries

RuLavan
11-25-2008, 06:23 AM
http://s44.radikal.ru/i106/0807/cd/e6af57dccc83.jpg

Aghost
11-25-2008, 07:07 AM
http://img.rian.ru/images/11852/02/118520217.jpg (http://en.rian.ru/photolents/20081125/118521428_3.html)


http://img.rian.ru/images/11852/03/118520373.jpg (http://en.rian.ru/photolents/20081125/118521428_4.html)


http://img.rian.ru/images/11852/02/118520249.jpg (http://en.rian.ru/photolents/20081125/118521428_8.html)


http://img.rian.ru/images/11852/03/118520368.jpg (http://en.rian.ru/photolents/20081125/118521428_9.html)



Indonesia now face to Russia to modernized their armament since they had bad experience when purchase it from western, due to frequently they couldn't used it to fight the rebel cause the western doesn't permit them, if they didn't obedient so the spare part armament embargo will be imposed.. It is ridiculous I think...
And this exhibition is the great opportunity for the Russian to get potential customer since they're on armament renewal and already buy SU-27 & 30, MI-35 & BMP-3 last year.
But now China and Korea approach them too... So it's depend on how good your equipment salesman sell it.......

sudbin
11-25-2008, 07:09 AM
http://img.rian.ru/images/11852/02/118520200.jpg (http://en.rian.ru/photolents/20081125/118521428_2.html)


Pay attention to the vehicle in the rear. It's T-98 Combat ("Combat" in russian is for "Commander of Battalion"). It's a unique APC for VIP. Monocoque armor body, with running gear from Suburban, 8 liter engine and Allison ******. Level of protection B7 (protects against 12.7 bullets). Produced in small quantities in St Petersburg by Avtokad company.

RSCH12
11-25-2008, 08:07 AM
Pay attention to the vehicle in the rear. It's T-98 Combat ("Combat" in russian is for "Commander of Battalion"). It's a unique APC for VIP. Monocoque armor body, with running gear from Suburban, 8 liter engine and Allison ******. Level of protection B7 (protects against 12.7 bullets).
Are wheels bulletproof too?
And glass?

AlexMartin2
11-25-2008, 09:28 AM
Naval arty firing range
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lTrTk0enmQ

Look at 42th second. One round clearly fly right and then changed course and striked target. WTF? :-(

sudbin
11-25-2008, 09:33 AM
Are wheels bulletproof too?
as it's written on the official site, bulletproof wheels are provided on customer's demand

And glass?
yes

Abbyy
11-25-2008, 09:37 AM
Look at 42th second. One round clearly fly right and then changed course and striked target. WTF? :-(

Lol. Lucky ricochet i guess :)

volna
11-25-2008, 10:09 AM
The SANKT PETERSBURG

More photos here: http://photofile.name/users/carpenco/2871377 (http://photofile.name/users/carpenco/2871377)


Very nice photo!Thanks!:)
Is this the only one Lada class submarine in Russian Navy service?

medo
11-25-2008, 11:17 AM
The new BUK. M2 or M3 (can't remember anymore).

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/8266/1666416et9.jpg

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/468/1666414if7.jpg

These are animations, but it could become reality. Tracked version of Buk and Tor for PVO SV and wheeled for PVO VVS. In both case they will assure good cluster. Anyone knows if Buk-M3 is conected with Vityaz medium range SAM project? As I know Vityaz will have vertical launched missiles.

Fireglow
11-25-2008, 12:07 PM
Lol. Lucky ricochet i guess :)

LoL. Where the hell that came from :D

komaR
11-25-2008, 12:52 PM
Lol. Lucky ricochet i guess :)

Thats skill ;)
Do u watched "Wanted" ?

T-95
11-25-2008, 02:09 PM
nice pics thanks :)

Fidayi
11-25-2008, 05:04 PM
VK-SF, can you please id all the sniper rifles on your website.

Can you also give more information about them. Range, caliber, origin etc.

And finally, can you please post some new pictures of those sniper rifles you paint.

TR1
11-25-2008, 05:15 PM
Very nice photo!Thanks!:)
Is this the only one Lada class submarine in Russian Navy service?
Yes, but 3 more are in various states of completion.

GazB
11-25-2008, 06:10 PM
Interesting, what is wrong with the vehicles that already are used to tow TOR-M1 and BUK-M1? Why are we giving them new Chassis when exporting?

Cost and mobility. When used in places with decent road networks and used to protect things like airports or comms centres rather than mobile armoured formations then Wheeled vehicles are not only cheaper and simpler to buy and to operate, they do less damage to the roads, and are less likely to be called tanks by ignorant media. The loss of mobility is not generally that huge and for many roles is not an issue.


The MZKT chassis versions are probably intended to be used as rear area air defense systems while retaining sufficient mobility to be rapidly deployable, as well as capable of changing position quickly to make enemy SEAD/DEAD efforts more difficult.

Good point. While a wheeled vehicle has less rough cross country mobility its strategic mobility... ie across a country on roads is actually much better and it is generally much faster than a tracked vehicle too.

edi213009
11-25-2008, 06:45 PM
hey GarryB did u see the last rendition of PakFA from Paralay?Otaku posted it on Keypub and it seems to have all tail movings surfaces.it looks a lot like YF-23

edi213009
11-25-2008, 06:49 PM
here it is.copyright comrade Paralay.
wish we had also a view on the intakes to see what solution is possible in this case

http://paralay.com/t50/2010.jpg

Ronguild
11-26-2008, 05:05 AM
Salut à tous !

Can someone give me explainations on this video ?
http://www.almaz-kb.ru/video/20382_9.avi

What is the new planar radar shown and what sort of missiles are fitted in the VLS ? Is that the POLYMENT missile ?

спасибо.

jaybe
11-26-2008, 05:10 AM
Salut à tous !

Can someone give me explainations on this video ?
http://www.almaz-kb.ru/video/20382_9.avi

What is the new planar radar shown and what sort of missiles are fitted in the VLS ? Is that the POLYMENT missile ?

спасибо.

there is no explanation in this movie

Stonewall71
11-26-2008, 07:05 AM
Peter The Great in Venezuela

http://oglobo.globo.com/fotos/2008/11/25/25_MHG_mun_russia1.jpg

sepheronx
11-26-2008, 11:22 AM
Peter The Great in Venezuela

http://oglobo.globo.com/fotos/2008/11/25/25_MHG_mun_russia1.jpg

What a gorgeous ship. I bet the Venezuelans are excited to see it!

MammothTank
11-26-2008, 03:39 PM
Peter The Great in Venezuela

http://s45.radikal.ru/i108/0811/d2/5348dda7e163.jpg

http://i036.radikal.ru/0811/80/fc3821ee8a10.jpg

http://s46.radikal.ru/i112/0811/4e/4b6850582bb3.jpg

http://i080.radikal.ru/0811/30/09836d74fae3.jpg

http://s49.radikal.ru/i126/0811/e8/6070c1c32976.jpg

http://s58.radikal.ru/i159/0811/43/93f4f4656dba.jpg

http://i022.radikal.ru/0811/3b/d01db406ddba.jpg

http://s61.radikal.ru/i173/0811/de/fb66dc240754.jpg

http://i069.radikal.ru/0811/c6/6570d3d13df9.jpg

http://s51.radikal.ru/i131/0811/19/973d6b3c69d4.jpg

http://s48.radikal.ru/i122/0811/51/0f576cfc4b1d.jpg

source: http://forum.sevastopol.info/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=113236

Nuclear_Warrior
11-26-2008, 03:54 PM
So big! I heard Peter the great couldn't enter the port because of it's size.

User_Name
11-26-2008, 03:59 PM
Peter The Great in Venezuela



http://i036.radikal.ru/0811/80/fc3821ee8a10.jpg
http://s46.radikal.ru/i112/0811/4e/4b6850582bb3.jpg
http://s51.radikal.ru/i131/0811/19/973d6b3c69d4.jpg
http://s48.radikal.ru/i122/0811/51/0f576cfc4b1d.jpg

source: http://forum.sevastopol.info/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=113236

This one is Udaloy-class Admiral Chabanenko anti-submarine vessel 650, Peter the Great 099 is too big to enter the port
You can see him on the last pic.

Nuclear_Warrior
11-26-2008, 04:26 PM
Btw, are there any submarines with them? Or only those four ships?

kontempladorII
11-26-2008, 04:28 PM
This one is Udaloy-class Admiral Chabanenko anti-submarine vessel 650, Peter the Great 099 is too big to enter the port
You can see him on the last pic.

I would rather say that the port is too small ;-)

MammothTank
11-26-2008, 04:36 PM
Btw, are there any submarines with them? Or only those four ships?
Officially - no, but who knows :roll:

_GDS_
11-26-2008, 04:49 PM
I'm glad for venezuelians, they have worlds best cruiser ever built - Petter the Great parked outside port for starring at it.

BTW, any news on other Kirov class ships being repairing/modernizing/operational?

GazB
11-26-2008, 04:57 PM
hey GarryB did u see the last rendition of PakFA from Paralay?Otaku posted it on Keypub and it seems to have all tail movings surfaces.it looks a lot like YF-23

The Tu-160 has the same all moving vertical tail surface and it is the only other Russian aircraft that had stealth features built in to the original design.

MZKT
11-26-2008, 06:46 PM
I'm glad for venezuelians, they have worlds best cruiser ever built - Petter the Great parked outside port for starring at it.

BTW, any news on other Kirov class ships being repairing/modernizing/operational?

Nahimov is being upgraded and repaired, the other two are apparently nothing more but a spare part source.

Brute
11-27-2008, 12:09 AM
Zvezdanews clip on RPG-32:

http://zvezdanews.ru/video/day_events/army/0023828/

Mousepad
11-27-2008, 01:41 AM
Btw, are there any submarines with them? Or only those four ships?

Peter the Great and Adm Chabanenko arrival in Venesuela

http://zvezdanews.ru/video/day_events/army/0023925/

in Russian, but at the end it said that Russian and Venesuela subs will participate in manuevers, so it's fair to presume that few Russian subs were shadowing battle group.

Constantin
11-27-2008, 04:34 AM
tank driving
http://video.mail.ru/mail/burun-1/520/1167.html

Afro-European
11-27-2008, 05:25 AM
http://img.rian.ru/images/11854/75/118547582.jpg (http://en.rian.ru/photolents/20081127/118561432_2.html)


Marine units serve with all elements of the Russian Navy, namely, its Northern, Pacific, Baltic and Black Sea Fleets and Caspian Flotilla. On November 27, Russia celebrates Marines Day, instituted by the Russian Navy’s Commander on November 19, 1995 in commemoration of Emperor Peter the Great’s 1705 decree on establishing a “sea soldiers regiment.”


http://img.rian.ru/images/11854/77/118547709.jpg (http://en.rian.ru/photolents/20081127/118561432_3.html)


They are currently equipped with automatic small firearms, tanks, armored personnel carriers, artillery pieces, aircraft, anti-tank and anti-aircraft weapons


http://img.rian.ru/images/11854/75/118547524.jpg (http://en.rian.ru/photolents/20081127/118561432_4.html)


A Marine unit during a tactical exercise on the Kamchatka Peninsula.


http://img.rian.ru/images/11854/74/118547404.jpg (http://en.rian.ru/photolents/20081127/118561432_5.html)


Marines boarding an infantry fighting vehicle on the Kamchatka Peninsula


http://img.rian.ru/images/11854/76/118547655.jpg (http://en.rian.ru/photolents/20081127/118561432_6.html)


A Marine unit of the Russian Black Sea Fleet landing in Sevastopol.


http://img.rian.ru/images/11854/76/118547671.jpg (http://en.rian.ru/photolents/20081127/118561432_7.html)


A Marine at the Northern Fleet base in Severomorsk
Rambo:)

http://img.rian.ru/images/11854/76/118547611.jpg (http://en.rian.ru/photolents/20081127/118561432_8.html)


A Marine machine-gunner exercising in the Primorye (Maritime) Territory in Russia’s Far East


http://img.rian.ru/images/11854/77/118547730.jpg (http://en.rian.ru/photolents/20081127/118561432_9.html)

A wing-in ground effect (WIG) landing craft of the 414th Independent Marine Battalion at Kaspiisk airport on the Caspian coast

http://img.rian.ru/images/11854/77/118547725.jpg (http://en.rian.ru/photolents/20081127/118561432_10.html)


Soldiers of the 414th Independent Marine Battalion laying anti-personnel mines during a tactical exercise in the Republic of Dagestan in the North Caucasus


http://img.rian.ru/images/11854/74/118547453.jpg (http://en.rian.ru/photolents/20081127/118561432_11.html)


A Marine unit during a tactical exercise on the Kamchatka Peninsula


http://img.rian.ru/images/11854/76/118547602.jpg (http://en.rian.ru/photolents/20081127/118561432_12.html)


A Marine unit training


http://img.rian.ru/images/11854/75/118547551.jpg (http://en.rian.ru/photolents/20081127/118561432_13.html)

A Marine with a rocket launcher at a firing position on the Kamchatka Peninsula

http://img.rian.ru/images/11854/74/118547444.jpg (http://en.rian.ru/photolents/20081127/118561432_14.html)

Marines playing leap-frog on the Kamchatka Peninsula on Sunday

http://img.rian.ru/images/11854/74/118547471.jpg (http://en.rian.ru/photolents/20081127/118561432_15.html)

Marines at an arm-wrestling event on Sunday

http://img.rian.ru/images/11854/75/118547597.jpg (http://en.rian.ru/photolents/20081127/118561432-others.html)

A Marine with girls

To Russian members and other fellas, i have 2 questions:
1.Is the Russian marine as big as its US counterpart?
2.Why isn't the Russian marine as popular as the VDV or Spetsnaz.To be more clear here,i've never heard of these guys until recently.Thanx.Afro.

Snoshi
11-27-2008, 05:28 AM
The last pic is disturbing :)

Afro-European
11-27-2008, 05:35 AM
The last pic is disturbing :)
Yeah,that guy looks so gay:).

jaybe
11-27-2008, 05:39 AM
To Russian members and other fellas, i have 2 questions:
1.Is the Russian marine as big as its US counterpart?
2.Why isn't the Russian marine as popular as the VDV or Spetsnaz.To be more clear here,i've never heard of these guys until recently.Thanx.Afro.

Don't forget USMC is a independent branch while Russian is not. Marines
a) not all of them are first echelon troops, like VDV.
b) cannot be in use in every conflict, like spetsnaz.

fastwinston
11-27-2008, 05:57 AM
Could some one point me in the direction of some english information about the black sea-fleet naval infantry, from ww2 and onwards?

Snoshi
11-27-2008, 05:58 AM
Could some one point me in the direction of some english information about the black sea-fleet naval infantry, from ww2 and onwards?

Here is some basic info.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Marines

fastwinston
11-27-2008, 06:01 AM
Thanks, but I forgot to say I dont trust wikipedia:)

Afro-European
11-27-2008, 06:08 AM
Don't forget USMC is a independent branch while Russian is not. Marines
Got it.

a) not all of them are first echelon troops, like VDV.
What's first echelon troops?

b) cannot be in use in every conflict, like spetsnaz.
Were there Spetsnaz troops in Georgia?

Hump
11-27-2008, 06:08 AM
Hey guys, how big is the Peter the Great as compared to the Uss Iowa and are there any Hi res larger pictures of her please.
****

Afro-European
11-27-2008, 06:15 AM
Hey guys, how big is the Peter the Great as compared to the Uss Iowa and are there any Hi res larger pictures of her please.
****

Peter the Great:
Displacement:24,300 tons Standard, 28,000 (Full Load)Length:252 m (830 ft)Beam:28.5 m (94 ft)Draft:9.1 m (30 ft)Propulsion:2-shaft CONAS, 2× KN-3 nuclear propulsion with 2× GT3A-688 steam turbines
140,000 shpSpeed:32 knots (59 km/h)

Uss Iowa:
Class and type:Iowa-class battleshipDisplacement:45,000 tonsLength:887 ft 3 in (270 m)Beam:108 ft 2 in (32.9 m)Draft:37 ft 2 in (11.3 m)Speed:33 knots (61 km/h)Complement:151 officers, 2637 enlisted

Still searching for high res pix.

Arbody
11-27-2008, 06:17 AM
http://img.rian.ru/images/11854/75/118547582.jpg (http://en.rian.ru/photolents/20081127/118561432_2.html)

To Russian members and other fellas, i have 2 questions:
1.Is the Russian marine as big as its US counterpart?
2.Why isn't the Russian marine as popular as the VDV or Spetsnaz.To be more clear here,i've never heard of these guys until recently.Thanx.Afro.
1.About 15 000 all profesionals
2.Parts of Russian Navial Infantry
- Спецназ (spetsnaz)
- Разведка (recon)
- ДШБ (shock troops)
- Батальон МП (navial infantry batallions )
- Артилерия (artilery )
- Части центрального подчинения (central command units)
- Саперы ( engineers )
- Связь (communication)
- Береговая оборона- ПВО ( anti air defence )

For me russian Navial Infantry is one of the fearsome part of our Army . IMHO they much more better then VDV . And if you want to know why every elite troops wear "Telniashka" (*****ed shirt) because it's traditional shirt of Russian Navial Infantry , VDV was created by marine Colonel . You may find why Germans call them "Black Death"

jaybe
11-27-2008, 06:28 AM
Got it.

What's first echelon troops?

Were there Spetsnaz troops in Georgia?

a) constant battle readiness troops
b) Spetznaz is not branch of troops in general. It's just part of regiment with better eq and more pro soldiers, even Emercom have their own Spetznaz.

Snoshi
11-27-2008, 06:31 AM
b) Spetznaz is not branch of troops in general. It's just part of regiment with better eq and more pro soldiers, even Emercom have their own Spetznaz.
Yeah.. Many people think that Spetsnaz is a type of troops like for example British SAS.. But in fact Spetznaz translates "Spezialnoye Naznochenie" which means Special purpose.. MVD has spetsnaz troops, GRU has their own unit, FSB etc.

Arbody
11-27-2008, 06:32 AM
a) constant battle readiness troops
b) Spetznaz is not branch of troops in general. It's just part of regiment with better eq and more pro soldiers, even Emercom have their own Spetznaz.

22 brigade GRU was there , responsible for recon and osetins militia cooperation .

Hump
11-27-2008, 06:34 AM
Now that's impressive, she's a beautiful looking ship.

Afro-European
11-27-2008, 07:53 AM
1.About 15 000 all profesionals
2.Parts of Russian Navial Infantry
- Спецназ (spetsnaz)
- Разведка (recon)
- ДШБ (shock troops)
- Батальон МП (navial infantry batallions )
- Артилерия (artilery )
- Части центрального подчинения (central command units)
- Саперы ( engineers )
- Связь (communication)
- Береговая оборона- ПВО ( anti air defence )

For me russian Navial Infantry is one of the fearsome part of our Army . IMHO they much more better then VDV . And if you want to know why every elite troops wear "Telniashka" (*****ed shirt) because it's traditional shirt of Russian Navial Infantry , VDV was created by marine Colonel . You may find why Germans call them "Black Death"

Thanx Arbody for the explaination.Now i have a clear picture of them.

Afro-European
11-27-2008, 07:56 AM
a) constant battle readiness troops
Understood.

b) Spetznaz is not branch of troops in general. It's just part of regiment with better eq and more pro soldiers, even Emercom have their own Spetznaz.
Ok.I thaught Spetsnaz was like shock troops under the commad of the GRU and/or the general staff only.

Arbody
11-27-2008, 08:01 AM
Some piece of Russian Navial Infantry in english

http://www.historyofwar.org/articles/weapons_russiannavallong.html

bombermonk
11-27-2008, 08:32 AM
vk-SF: did you serve in afghanistan?

Arbody
11-27-2008, 09:21 AM
http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk244/o333_photo/bosf1b.jpg

http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk244/o333_photo/bosf3b.jpg


http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk244/o333_photo/bosf6b.jpg


http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk244/o333_photo/bosf9b.jpg


http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk244/o333_photo/edm7b.jpg


http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk244/o333_photo/edm19b.jpg


http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk244/o333_photo/kh4b.jpg


http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk244/o333_photo/of1b.jpg


http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk244/o333_photo/of4b.jpg


http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk244/o333_photo/of5b.jpg



http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk244/o333_photo/rav1b.jpg

_GDS_
11-27-2008, 09:33 AM
ДШБ - Десантно Штурмовой Батальон. This is kind of assault battalion. Such battalions were used in Afghanistan 1978-1988 war, because they were special attack/assault (shock?) battalions. Assault battalions were made from soviet marines or soviet airborne troops (VDV).

Vympel
11-27-2008, 09:37 AM
Same gu(a)y
http://img.rian.ru/images/11854/75/118547597.jpg
http://englishrussia.com/images/bodybuilding_in_russia/7.jpg
I wouldn't want to have this guy covering my back;/

Alef
11-27-2008, 10:03 AM
I'm guessing that they are not for front-line battlefield use. I mean, that's what the tracked chassis versions are for. The MZKT chassis versions are probably intended to be used as rear area air defense systems while retaining sufficient mobility to be rapidly deployable, as well as capable of changing position quickly to make enemy SEAD/DEAD efforts more difficult.
old T-72 chassis are outdated. And modern KAMAZ chasis proved their reliability

NowPlaying
11-27-2008, 10:31 AM
http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk244/o333_photo/edm19b.jpg



Is this coastal gun operational? Looks like it is in a good condition.

Nuclear_Warrior
11-27-2008, 10:40 AM
http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk244/o333_photo/bosf9b.jpg


That church kind of looks like the one from the Hitman movie.

jaybe
11-27-2008, 10:44 AM
Is this coastal gun operational? Looks like it is in a good condition.

AFAIK it belongs to museum

edi213009
11-27-2008, 11:18 AM
where's my preferred russian marine,the fat buryat colonel

Mousepad
11-27-2008, 11:27 AM
Same gu(a)y

I wouldn't want to have this guy covering my back;/

Really?

123445

Arbody
11-27-2008, 11:27 AM
where's my preferred russian marine,the fat buryat colonel
http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk244/o333_photo/a_880.jpg


http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk244/o333_photo/a_819.jpg
You Asked For it p-) , btw hi was promoted this year

edi213009
11-27-2008, 11:46 AM
http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk244/o333_photo/a_880.jpg


http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk244/o333_photo/a_819.jpg
You Asked For it p-) , btw hi was promoted this year


aint that fat after all,he just looks like.he must be the wrestling champ at his brigade.is he a general now?
thnx for the pix

TheArmenian
11-27-2008, 11:50 AM
The KAMAZ armoured vehicle in service:

Recent photo from www.pilot.strizhi.info (http://www.pilot.strizhi.info)

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/9346/p1000974smbg7.th.jpg (http://img219.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p1000974smbg7.jpg)http://img219.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif (http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php)

Flankerman
11-27-2008, 12:01 PM
Surely this A-90 'Orlyonok' is not operational ???

http://img.rian.ru/images/11854/77/118547730.jpg

Of the four built (prototype + 3 'production'), the prototype and one other (S-21) crashed - leaving just two.

S-26 is now in Moscow as a museum.....

http://www.flankers-site.co.uk/moscow_2007_files/day07_030.jpg

So that must be S-25 'beached' at Kaspiisk.

Ken

mannelig
11-27-2008, 02:46 PM
The KAMAZ armoured vehicle in service:

Recent photo from www.pilot.strizhi.info (http://www.pilot.strizhi.info)

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/9346/p1000974smbg7.th.jpg (http://img219.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p1000974smbg7.jpg)http://img219.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif (http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php)
http://keep4u.ru/imgs/b/081127/33/3376630692e4b79cb3.jpg
http://keep4u.ru/imgs/b/081127/6a/6af94b86442ad4b489.jpg
http://keep4u.ru/imgs/b/081127/aa/aa8cf32ce0096aec86.jpg
http://keep4u.ru/imgs/b/081127/42/422b583ad696cf12d7.jpg
http://keep4u.ru/imgs/b/081127/a4/a4eabf8f2a302a2dcc.jpg

jaybe
11-27-2008, 02:47 PM
looks nice

Alef
11-27-2008, 02:47 PM
Is it technical examination?

medo
11-27-2008, 02:51 PM
I read, that russian marines are / will get modernized PT-76 with 57 mm AA gun with modern FCS. Any more informations about them and maybe any good picture? Will marines get Sprut-SD too or they will be only for VDV units?

Ronguild
11-27-2008, 02:57 PM
I read, that russian marines are / will get modernized PT-76 with 57 mm AA gun with modern FCS. Any more informations about them and maybe any good picture? Will marines get Sprut-SD too or they will be only for VDV units?

This modernization is called LIGA-S.

Ronguild
11-27-2008, 02:59 PM
Follow that link :

http://www.burevestnik.com/products_engl/pt.html

medo
11-27-2008, 03:34 PM
Thank you for your info about PT-76.

calimero2
11-27-2008, 04:48 PM
http://keep4u.ru/imgs/b/081127/aa/aa8cf32ce0096aec86.jpg


Note: Kazakh, not Russian, licence plate.

Mormaeglin
11-27-2008, 04:54 PM
Same gu(a)y
I wouldn't want to have this guy covering my back;/

Vympel! because of those fotki I am afraid to sleep! nightmares i tipa etogo ;)

piton_kaa
11-27-2008, 05:01 PM
Vympel! because of those fotki I am afraid to sleep! nightmares i tipa etogo ;)
Lucky you haven't seen the whole set with second dude =\

piton_kaa
11-27-2008, 05:11 PM
That one looks like the one from the crazy funny pics thread. Is he really a Russian soldier?!?
with tatoos and blue nails? =/ Greatly doubt...

Karaahmetoglu
11-27-2008, 09:28 PM
1.About 15 000 all profesionals
2.Parts of Russian Navial Infantry
- Спецназ (spetsnaz)
- Разведка (recon)
- ДШБ (shock troops)
- Батальон МП (navial infantry batallions )
- Артилерия (artilery )
- Части центрального подчинения (central command units)
- Саперы ( engineers )
- Связь (communication)
- Береговая оборона- ПВО ( anti air defence )

For me russian Navial Infantry is one of the fearsome part of our Army . IMHO they much more better then VDV . And if you want to know why every elite troops wear "Telniashka" (*****ed shirt) because it's traditional shirt of Russian Navial Infantry , VDV was created by marine Colonel . You may find why Germans call them "Black Death"


Kazakh troops also have *****ped shirt as well, does it have the same meaning?

DRA
11-27-2008, 09:57 PM
Russian Naval Infantry

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oCWFwCkeA4

Vityaz
11-27-2008, 10:04 PM
I wish I could get a Bratishka subscription in the US.

emind
11-27-2008, 10:34 PM
Russian Naval Infantry

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oCWFwCkeA4


This demo is sweet:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HpOeAiol1o

BTW everybody is comparing Black Berets to US Marines, but I would make an analogy to US Navy Seals, at least.

Vityaz
11-27-2008, 10:39 PM
BTW everybody is comparing Black Berets to US Marines, but I would make an analogy to US Navy Seals, at least.
I feel that the Morskaya Pehota have a more SF feel to them, or at least that's how they like to portray themselves. p-)

calimero2
11-28-2008, 02:28 AM
everybody is comparing Black Berets to US Marines, but I would make an analogy to US Navy Seals, at least.

The Russian Morskaya Pekhota has BMP's, BTR's, tanks, artillery etc. So I'd compare them to the USMC as well, if you want to compare.

Vympel
11-28-2008, 03:14 AM
..............

Vympel
11-28-2008, 03:15 AM
The Russian Morskaya Pekhota has BMP's, BTR's, tanks, artillery etc. So I'd compare them to the USMC as well, if you want to compare.

Yeah, today we can compare them - morpekhi are now full professionals. And they get new eq. New helmets, combat systems, and so on. One thing that freaks me out.. Their gogles. Btw, anyone know, does Russian army have new generation NV portable systems? Allmost my all known optics/electronics producers are bancrupt today or stagnant.

piton_kaa
11-28-2008, 05:55 AM
Yeah, didn't think so, either. In US it may be OK, but in Russia you can get killed for that.
why? that's OK with tatoos. Just be carefull and don't make criminal ones=)

Flamming_Python
11-28-2008, 07:18 AM
I can see how they could assembled the KAMAZ in the class room, BUT HOW THE HECK WOULD THEY ASSEMBLE A BMD1 IN THE CLASSROOM, it has monolith hull!

Just thought of a new version: they drove it through the wall and then built it back up again :)

Vityaz
11-28-2008, 11:33 AM
Like you've never slept on the job before. p-)

jaybe
11-28-2008, 07:42 PM
BMP3 katsus (if i remeber good the name)

McTAZ

bmp-3 with "Cactus" armour system

McTaz
11-28-2008, 07:50 PM
bmp-3 with "Cactus" armour system

Thanks for corect name.

Pattern is one version easy to see for buyers or is standard?

McTAZ

zanuda
11-29-2008, 05:49 AM
http://visualrian.ru/storage/PreviewWM/3572/80/357280.jpg
http://img.beta.rian.ru/images/15600/64/156006406.jpg
http://img.beta.rian.ru/images/15589/75/155897594.jpg


28 november
successful launch of bulava-30 from SSBN prj 941 (typhoon) dmitry donskoy

1-2 december in venezuela will take place exercise of russian and venezuela forces

______________________

November 18 US Military: General Mobilization (http://shiratdevorah.blogspot.com/2008/11/us-military-general-mobilization.html)
U.S. Armed Forces begin "General Mobilization" recalling ALL retirees who EVER served in ANY military branch! (http://www.fourwinds10.com/siterun_data/government/fraud/us_government/news.php?q=1227479352)

Memorandum for the Secretary of State and the Secretary of Transportation and the Director of the Office of Management and Budget (http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2008/11/20081126-7.html)

I hereby approve the provision by the Secretary of Transportation of insurance or reinsurance of vessels (including cargo and crew) against loss or damage from war risks in the manner and to the extent provided in chapter 539 of title 46, United States Code, for trade in the Black Sea, whenever, after consultation with the Secretary of State, it appears to the Secretary of Transportation that such insurance adequate for the needs of the water-borne commerce of the United States cannot be obtained on reasonable terms and conditions from companies authorized to do insurance business in a State of the United States.

see previous (http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/12/20011214-9.html) (Middle East December 12, 2001)
__________________________


2-3 december 2008
NATO HQ, Brussels
12:35 Press conference by the NATO Secretary General and the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine

ukrain and probable Georgia(country) will accept to nato

this means WAR



p.s.
Every single American crisis has led to a war. To put it simpler, the financial crisis in the US means the next world war.

jaybe
11-29-2008, 05:59 AM
****
don't boil my paranoia

flanker7
11-29-2008, 06:00 AM
wat?.........

Stonewall71
11-29-2008, 06:19 AM
wasn't this the topic for russian photos?????????????????????? :|

Afro-European
11-29-2008, 06:43 AM
http://img.rian.ru/images/11858/53/118585355.jpg (http://en.rian.ru/photolents/20081128/118589476_7.html)


November 26, 2008. Russian President Dmitry Medvedev, foreground, during an official welcoming ceremony at Itamarati Palace in Rio de Janeiro


http://img.rian.ru/images/11858/63/118586385.jpg (http://en.rian.ru/photolents/20081128/118589476_9.html)


November 27, 2008. Russian President Dmitry Medvedev, right, arrives at Simon Bolivar International Airport, the largest airport in Caracas. The president arrived on an official visit to Venezuela on November 26, local time


http://img.rian.ru/images/11858/55/118585506.jpg (http://en.rian.ru/photolents/20081128/118589476_14.html)


November 27, 2008. From right: Russian President Dmitry Medvedev and Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez aboard the anti-submarine warfare ship Admiral Chabanenko in Venezuela’s La Guaira seaport


http://img.rian.ru/images/11858/55/118585560.jpg (http://en.rian.ru/photolents/20081128/118589476_15.html)


November 27, 2008. From right: Russian President Dmitry Medvedev and Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez aboard the anti-submarine warfare ship Admiral Chabanenko in Venezuela’s La Guaira seaport.


http://img.rian.ru/images/11858/61/118586146.jpg (http://en.rian.ru/photolents/20081128/118589476_16.html)


November 27, 2008. From left: Russian President Dmitry Medvedev and Raul Castro, chairman of the Cuban State Council and Council of Ministers. President Medvedev laying a wreath at a monument to Jose Marti on Revolution Square in Havana

_GDS_
11-29-2008, 07:27 AM
A bit oftopic, i strongly suggest to make a video about russian military power in Sparta(300) style.

Like: "This is madnes" - "THIS IS RUSSIA !!!!"

p.s. Russia stong! ;P

Aryan_Singh
11-29-2008, 09:07 AM
http://img.beta.rian.ru/images/15600/64/156006406.jpg

Any translations?

emind
11-29-2008, 09:13 AM
November 18 US Military: General Mobilization (http://shiratdevorah.blogspot.com/2008/11/us-military-general-mobilization.html)
U.S. Armed Forces begin "General Mobilization" recalling ALL retirees who EVER served in ANY military branch! (http://www.fourwinds10.com/siterun_data/government/fraud/us_government/news.php?q=1227479352)


this means WAR


Zanuda, don't believe everything you read. These sources you've found (above) are both not to be trusted in any case. Read some other articles from those and you will understand why :)

Mobilization of these size can only mean one kind of war - total war, and I don't think, following those links, that it has to do anything with China for example. So it all would make sence in US-Russia conflict.

There is no need to panic. US attack on Russia, even by post-soviet countryes, or sraight-forward will only mean destruction of the world. And these people know it even better than you, obviously.

RSone
11-29-2008, 09:51 AM
Zanuda, don't believe everything you read. These sources you've found (above) are both not to be trusted in any case. Read some other articles from those and you will understand why :)

Mobilization of these size can only mean one kind of war - total war, and I don't think, following those links, that it has to do anything with China for example. So it all would make sence in US-Russia conflict.

There is no need to panic. US attack on Russia, even by post-soviet countryes, or sraight-forward will only mean destruction of the world. And these people know it even better than you, obviously.

Reading the comments on that site is bad for my mental capabilities. Never have i seen such a vile lair of racism, anti-semitism and just downright stupidity.

Vympel
11-29-2008, 09:53 AM
Anyway, sooner or later we will die, what's the different.:)

Constantin
11-29-2008, 09:57 AM
Any translations?
just technical characteristics...
http://warfare.ru/?catid=268&linkid=1739

MZKT
11-29-2008, 12:02 PM
http://img.beta.rian.ru/images/15589/75/155897594.jpg


10 warheads within 1150 kg throw weight is BS.
BTW there are still contraditions in the number of missile tubes, It seems Dolgorukij has 16 tubes not twelve.

BogdanM
11-29-2008, 01:02 PM
http://img.beta.rian.ru/images/15589/75/155897594.jpg

Could someone make me a brief description about whats shown in this picture(i dont understand russian). Is the missile traveling into stratosphere or space and are those spikes some kind of nuclear artillery ammunition :))?

medo
11-29-2008, 01:12 PM
In short, this is Bulava submarine intercontinent balistic missile with 6 to 10 nuclear warheads. It works like space rockets with multiple steps. In missile cone are nuclear warheads, which in space separate from missile cone and they independently fly to their targets.

Constantin
11-29-2008, 01:18 PM
In short, this is Bulava submarine intercontinent balistic missile with 6 to 10 nuclear warheads. It works like space rockets with multiple steps. In missile cone are nuclear warheads, which in space separate from missile cone and they independently fly to their targets.
6-10 hypersonic maneuvering warheads.:roll:

BogdanM
11-29-2008, 01:44 PM
6-10 hypersonic maneuvering warheads.:roll:

Now i'm thinking if all the trouble US had with the missile shield did really worth it. I know what some will say...Who cares they have hypersonic warheads, we've got lasers :))

Snoshi
11-29-2008, 01:49 PM
Now i'm thinking if all the trouble US had with the missile shield did really worth it. I know what some will say...Who cares they have hypersonic warheads, we've got lasers :))

Bulava is not in service and because of that Russia's only Borei class does not have missiles.. Not to mention that Russia only has 1 Borei class sub and no one really knows when others will be ready.

BogdanM
11-29-2008, 02:25 PM
Bulava is not in service and because of that Russia's only Borei class does not have missiles.. Not to mention that Russia only has 1 Borei class sub and no one really knows when others will be ready.

Oh, ok...I'll search more next time before i'll make assuptions :). Anyway thanks for clarifying

TheArmenian
11-29-2008, 03:01 PM
Bulava is not in service and because of that Russia's only Borei class does not have missiles.. Not to mention that Russia only has 1 Borei class sub and no one really knows when others will be ready.

The 1st Borei class sub is not yet in service. It is doing sea trials at the moment.

And I believe the Russian Glavkom has a pretty good idea on when the other Boreis will be ready (it is a high priority project).

TheArmenian
11-29-2008, 03:07 PM
And here is the English version of the BULAVA infographic

http://en.rian.ru/img/118575033_free.html

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/4865/118575034ed6.jpg

TR1
11-29-2008, 03:19 PM
Bulava is not in service and because of that Russia's only Borei class does not have missiles.. Not to mention that Russia only has 1 Borei class sub and no one really knows when others will be ready.
LOL, what the hell does that mean? The others are well on their completion, it's pretty safe to estimate their completion times. :roll:

miliali
11-29-2008, 04:03 PM
Nice Photos!

emind
11-29-2008, 04:35 PM
In august 1991 Soviet Navy conducted a unique operation called "Behemoth", in which it was prooven, that nuclear submarine (in this case it was "Novomoskovsk" Dolphin type Project 667) can unload all its nuclear rockets in one setting (16 "Skifs" 100x4 Kilotons each), only with intervals of only 6-7 seconds, loosing 700 tons of its weight. It was the only launch of its kind, never done ever before or after. Lets hope it will never happen again :)

http://media.izvestia.ru/politics/article537/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzvKdi-18Ps

Btw, one of these babies, "Karelia" has just been modernized, is already afloat and will be ready for active duty in 2009.

GazB
11-29-2008, 05:42 PM
Excellent video emind, but:


only with intervals of only 6-7 seconds, loosing 700 tons of its weight.

Actually the problem is not losing weight, but gaining it. When the missile is launched the volume of the missile and the space around it is filled with water which probably weighs more than the missile itself. When it fires each missile it probably takes on more weight than it launches. Note in the video the sub goes downwards after each launch showing a gain in weight or loss of bouyancy.


10 warheads within 1150 kg throw weight is BS.
BTW there are still contraditions in the number of missile tubes, It seems Dolgorukij has 16 tubes not twelve.

According to this graphic it states 6-10 warheads with payloads of 100-150Kt. The question is can the Russians make 100Kt warheads fit in a warhead bus as light as 1150kg. Most of the literature I have read says Bulava carries 6 warheads and doesn't mention the capability to carry 10.

Now I don't have any evidence to support this but it would make sense to me that the RS-24, which is claimed to be developed from the TOPOL-M, could have the Bulava warhead bus added to give it MIRV capability. This might mean that RS-24 might be fitted for 10 warheads because its role is to make up warhead numbers as the SS-18 and SS-19 are withdrawn from service. If the RS-24 is just a TOPOL-M with 3 warheads then there is little need for a new designation. From what I have read of the launches the RS-24 can be silo launched or mobile launched too so really the only difference with TOPOL-M would be warhead capacity.
Would expect the Bulava will generally have 6 warheads as a standard payload with 16 missiles per sub. The reason being if there are 10 warheads per sub they wont need many subs and not having many subs makes the SSBN fleet vulnerable.

emind
11-29-2008, 08:34 PM
Excellent video emind, but:



Actually the problem is not losing weight, but gaining it. When the missile is launched the volume of the missile and the space around it is filled with water which probably weighs more than the missile itself. When it fires each missile it probably takes on more weight than it launches. Note in the video the sub goes downwards after each launch showing a gain in weight or loss of bouyancy.


the sub dives down on the launch only because the vector of rockets trust directed downwards. after rocket is out the sub naturally jumps up, as one of the crew members in the video explains. do you really think that even a bigger volume of water (take 2 times approx) could outweight the rocket itself, which is around 42 tons? the biggest problem here is for the sub to remain stable: the angle cannot change more than 2 degrees, because of serious malfunction or even a disaster, as happened in first testing of this kind. no one was hurt, but sub has taken water damage.

MZKT
11-29-2008, 09:29 PM
According to this graphic it states 6-10 warheads with payloads of 100-150Kt. The question is can the Russians make 100Kt warheads fit in a warhead bus as light as 1150kg. Most of the literature I have read says Bulava carries 6 warheads and doesn't mention the capability to carry 10.


Sineva is credited with capability for 8 150kt warheads within 2,8 ton throw weight. Even if 100kt warhead is significantly lighter, 6 pieces are maximum for Bulava.


Now I don't have any evidence to support this but it would make sense to me that the RS-24, which is claimed to be developed from the TOPOL-M, could have the Bulava warhead bus added to give it MIRV capability. This might mean that RS-24 might be fitted for 10 warheads because its role is to make up warhead numbers as the SS-18 and SS-19 are withdrawn from service. If the RS-24 is just a TOPOL-M with 3 warheads then there is little need for a new designation. From what I have read of the launches the RS-24 can be silo launched or mobile launched too so really the only difference with TOPOL-M would be warhead capacity.
Would expect the Bulava will generally have 6 warheads as a standard payload with 16 missiles per sub. The reason being if there are 10 warheads per sub they wont need many subs and not having many subs makes the SSBN fleet vulnerable.

Bulava has a significantly larger diameter then topol, it's MIRV-bus won't fit RS-24.

Considering the extremely short time of RS-24 development it's rather probable that it carries the already proven and geometrically full compatible 3-warhead missile bus of Pioneer.

When the media talk about it replacing SS-18 is run through propaganda->reality-filter it means "it wil replace SS-18 since we have nothing better, while the warhead number will shrink dramatically."

GazB
11-30-2008, 12:38 AM
do you really think that even a bigger volume of water (take 2 times approx) could outweight the rocket itself,

Yes. Water is quite heavy. The actual structure of a modern nuclear missile is very light. There is very little empty free space within the Rocket, but most of the components are probably not more than twice the density of water.


the sub dives down on the launch only because the vector of rockets trust directed downwards. after rocket is out the sub naturally jumps up, as one of the crew members in the video explains.

I would think then that the movement as shown was exaggerated. The distance the vessel would move because of the launch of a weapon would be minimal. Bombers don't leap upwards when munitions are released either... they usually just accelerate due to the reduction of weight equates to a higher thrust to weight ratio.


Sineva is credited with capability for 8 150kt warheads within 2,8 ton throw weight. Even if 100kt warhead is significantly lighter, 6 pieces are maximum for Bulava.

But how much space is used for decoys and penaids?
It is my understanding that the MIRV warheads of previous Soviet weapons were developed in the Ukraine. The MIRV warhead in the RS-24 are Russian and are reported to be much lighter than previous warheads. The fact that they talk about them being able to evade an ABM system suggests to me they are hypersonic scramjet powered warheads, but that is just speculation on my part.

This article: http://en.rian.ru/analysis/20081028/117996812.html

Suggests that the RS-24 is an updated TOPOL-M with a new third stage and new dispensing system from the Bulava. My guess is that the Bulava can carry 6 warheads as standard plus decoys and penaids or a max payload of 10 warheads and no decoys or penetration aids. I think in the Bulava it will likely have the 6 warheads setup as normal.
I think however that the RS-24, because its role is to make up numbers as the SS-18s and SS-19s are retired might be fitted with the max number of warheads... ie ten.

BTW the throw weight includes both warheads and the warhead bus. There is plenty of room to reduce warhead weight and bus weight. The liquid fuelled third stage would allow it to be manoeuvred much better because a liquid rocket engine can be throttled and even shut down and restarted. With the land based RS-24 it is certainly possible to carry a little more fuel in the first and second sections to add to the throw weight... even just a little.

Bigbear
11-30-2008, 07:00 AM
http://www.fishki.net/comment.php?id=44471

emind
11-30-2008, 09:01 AM
Yes. Water is quite heavy. The actual structure of a modern nuclear missile is very light. There is very little empty free space within the Rocket, but most of the components are probably not more than twice the density of water. I would think then that the movement as shown was exaggerated. The distance the vessel would move because of the launch of a weapon would be minimal. Bombers don't leap upwards when munitions are released either... they usually just accelerate due to the reduction of weight equates to a higher thrust to weight ratio.

I tend to believe a specialist, someone who has actually been there :) This guy in the video explains, that launching a rocket of this size from sub can be compared to a man taking a knockout. Now imagine taking 16 knockouts in a row. And what bomber have possibly to do with a rocket launch from a sub which is 55 meters underwater? L :) L

We are talking about SS-N-23 SKIF, which as you can see weights 40300 kilos, and man it is heavyer, much heavyer than the same amount of water, or even twice as much of water. http://www.missilethreat.com/missilesoftheworld/id.156/missile_detail.asp

kontempladorII
11-30-2008, 09:17 AM
I tend to believe a specialist, someone who has actually been there :) This guy in the video explains, that launching a rocket of this size from sub can be compared to a man taking a knockout. Now imagine taking 16 knockouts in a row. And what bomber have possibly to do with a rocket launch from a sub which is 55 meters underwater? L :) L

We are talking about SS-N-23 SKIF, which as you can see weights 40300 kilos, and man it is heavyer, much heavyer than the same amount of water, or even twice as much of water. http://www.missilethreat.com/missilesoftheworld/id.156/missile_detail.asp


Both weights are comparable. According to that site the SKIF measures 14.80m of lenght and 1.9m in diameter. The total volume of the misil would be close to 42 cubic meters.

42 cubic meters of water are 42 tons.

hatchet_harry
11-30-2008, 11:46 AM
Both weights are comparable. According to that site the SKIF measures 14.80m of lenght and 1.9m in diameter. The total volume of the misil would be close to 42 cubic meters.

42 cubic meters of water are 42 tons.
someone please do that same calculation not using metric units, for simplicity...
rofl

piton_kaa
11-30-2008, 12:44 PM
kinda that
14.80 meters lenght are 48.556432 feet;
1.9 meters in diameter are 6.233596 feet;
42 cubic meters are 1483.21614 cubic feet;
42 tons are 92594.166 pounds.

MZKT
11-30-2008, 01:31 PM
But how much space is used for decoys and penaids?
It is my understanding that the MIRV warheads of previous Soviet weapons were developed in the Ukraine. The MIRV warhead in the RS-24 are Russian and are reported to be much lighter than previous warheads. The fact that they talk about them being able to evade an ABM system suggests to me they are hypersonic scramjet powered warheads, but that is just speculation on my part.


First the media talk means absolutely nothing the term "hypersonic" is a generic term without a defined meaning, pretty similar to "nanotechnology"-hype used as label even for Yudashkins uniforms :)

Now scramjet-propelled warheads is something entirely new and I doubt Russia would have developed it within such a short time. The main soviet production facility for nuclear warheads was in Sverdlovsk, not Ukraine and they didn't developed anything new since the fall of SU (otherwise it would be reported according to START-1 treaty) Further a warhead with own acceleration engine would be much heavier and hardly suitable for MIRV-configuration, especially not on such light missiles like RS-24.


This article: http://en.rian.ru/analysis/20081028/117996812.html

Suggests that the RS-24 is an updated TOPOL-M with a new third stage and new dispensing system from the Bulava. My guess is that the Bulava can carry 6 warheads as standard plus decoys and penaids or a max payload of 10 warheads and no decoys or penetration aids. I think in the Bulava it will likely have the 6 warheads setup as normal.


Let's look at Sineva: 4 warheads with decoys or 10 150kt-warheads maximum (@2,8t)

Considering this and even assuming that 100kt warheads are two times lighter then Sinevas 150kt (which is already unlikely): 6 warheads without any penetration aids is the absolute maximum for Bulavas 1150kg throw weight.



I think however that the RS-24, because its role is to make up numbers as the SS-18s and SS-19s are retired might be fitted with the max number of warheads... ie ten.

Do you really expect that a 47 ton solid-fueled missile to carry the same amozunt of warheads as liquid-fueled 200t SS-18 and more than 110ton SS-19 (especially considering the much higher weight/power-efficiency of liquid fuel as visible from Bulava/Sineva comparison)?


BTW the throw weight includes both warheads and the warhead bus. There is plenty of room to reduce warhead weight and bus weight. The liquid fuelled third stage would allow it to be manoeuvred much better because a liquid rocket engine can be throttled and even shut down and restarted. With the land based RS-24 it is certainly possible to carry a little more fuel in the first and second sections to add to the throw weight... even just a little.

First and second sections are reported to be identical to Topol-M. Liquid-fueled last stage is standard on all previous MIRV-missiles either.

RomanS
11-30-2008, 01:57 PM
Im back

but with a bad hangover

Im talking to VK-SF right now, translating the questions for him, so we will resume the good stuff here shortly

Thanks for all the contributors since I was gone.

Wally1967
11-30-2008, 02:42 PM
Welcome back RomanS too much Vodka ay? p-)

Flankerman
11-30-2008, 02:47 PM
I am looking for some good photos of the new Mi-8MTV5 helicopters in Russian service.

I found a couple of bort yellow 73 on airliners.net - but anyone got any more ???

Thanks

Ken

VK-SF
11-30-2008, 02:51 PM
VK-SF, can you please id all the sniper rifles on your website.

Can you also give more information about them. Range, caliber, origin etc.

And finally, can you please post some new pictures of those sniper rifles you paint.
There are lot of rifles on my site. Blaser R93 LRS 2,Sig Sauer SSG 3000,AW,AE and others. There is tons of info on the internet about them.
I dont have any new photos of them, because not always I have time to take photos of my work.

VK-SF
11-30-2008, 02:54 PM
vk-SF: did you serve in afghanistan?
Lets agree that our conversation wont be touching details of my service.

komaR
11-30-2008, 02:58 PM
Hi VK-SF !
I´m very glad that u sharing your knowledge and experience !

So, i have one question :)
I saw many guys shooting with the AKS-Spetznas version, this little one (heard it´s called сучка) and many guys sad that this weapons is very inaccurate. What do u know about this ?

VK-SF
11-30-2008, 03:10 PM
Hi VK-SF !
I´m very glad that u sharing your knowledge and experience !

So, i have one question :)
I saw many guys shooting with the AKS-Spetznas version, this little one (heard it´s called сучка) and many guys sad that this weapons is very inaccurate. What do u know about this ?
I know that many male dancers complain that their balls get on the way. :-):-):-)

If a person doesnt know how to shoot, he will look for problems in his weapons. This weapon was designed for tankers. Spetsnaz adopted that weapon while there was not much of a CQB (smaller weapon). At the moment, its rarely used in Spetsnaz

VK-SF
11-30-2008, 03:25 PM
About Lobaev and his rifles. Lobaev is a famous person in "benchrest". He lived in US for a while, getting experience in sharp shooting, details and building weapons. He use to combine western parts into his rifle, due to lack of local assets, but now everything is being made in Russia.

komaR
11-30-2008, 03:29 PM
I know that many male dancers complain that their balls get on the way. :-):-):-)

If a person doesnt know how to shoot, he will look for problems in his weapons. This weapon was designed for tankers. Spetsnaz adopted that weapon while there was not much of a CQB (smaller weapon). At the moment, its rarely used in Spetsnaz

Ah ok, no skill - no hit p-)

But in which situations Spetznas is using it ? (in buildings for example ?)

RomanS
11-30-2008, 03:34 PM
VK-SF

I have a lot of friends in Ukraine, and a few came to visit us here. They said that Ukrainian Military still has problems with manufacturing their own uniform. What can you tell us about it? Any fotos?

piton_kaa
11-30-2008, 03:35 PM
About Lobaev and his rifles. [skip] He use to combine western parts into his rifle, due to lack of local assets, but now everything is being made in Russia.
Still with "Tzar Pushka"?

Mr.Woland
11-30-2008, 03:35 PM
I am looking for some good photos of the new Mi-8MTV5 helicopters in Russian service.
Ken
You are welcom, Ken !
http://milparade.udm.ru/28/030.htm

VK-SF
11-30-2008, 03:40 PM
VK-SF

I have a lot of friends in Ukraine, and a few came to visit us here. They said that Ukrainian Military still has problems with manufacturing their own uniform. What can you tell us about it? Any fotos?
Yes its true Ukraine has problems with manifacturing their own uniform, gear and weapons. The most popular is Gorka and Partizan from Russia. Sometimes guys buy the western stuff.
Special Police Team "Sokol":

VK-SF
11-30-2008, 03:45 PM
Special Police Unit "Berkut":

VK-SF
11-30-2008, 03:54 PM
Special Unit "A"(Alpha):

TheArmenian
11-30-2008, 03:57 PM
VK-SF,

Do you have experience with the MTs-116?

Do you know who uses it? is it a common or rare gun?

Thanks.

Snoshi
11-30-2008, 04:00 PM
I am little "off" here, but who is the new VK-SF member?

VK-SF
11-30-2008, 04:02 PM
Ah ok, no skill - no hit p-)

But in which situations Spetznas is using it ? (in buildings for example ?)
Right now Russian Spetsnaz is not using AKSU.
AKSU is used in ex-Soviet SF units, because they cant afford to buy a more modern approach.

VK-SF
11-30-2008, 04:12 PM
VK-SF,

Do you have experience with the MTs-116?

Do you know who uses it? is it a common or rare gun?

Thanks.
The MTs rifles and their modifications are not rare. They are used by Ukraine and Belarus

RomanS
11-30-2008, 04:19 PM
VK-SF awesome photos !!!

Thanks for sharing them again.


As you know me, I love weapons and especially tuning of AKs. Do you have photos of Spetsnaz operators with AKs and various scopes on them?

Its been always a popular demand and topic.

VK-SF
11-30-2008, 04:19 PM
I am little "off" here, but who is the new VK-SF member?
For which foreign intelligence head quarters are you asking ? p-)

Bulletproof
11-30-2008, 04:27 PM
Right now Russian Spetsnaz is not using AKSU.
AKSU is used in ex-Soviet SF units, because they cant afford to buy a more modern approach.

I read a paper saying it wasn't too great with NVG. :D

TheArmenian
11-30-2008, 04:32 PM
Right now Russian Spetsnaz is not using AKSU.
AKSU is used in ex-Soviet SF units, because they cant afford to buy a more modern approach.

Can you elaborate on that please?

What small/compact assault rifles and submachine guns do you personally prefer? BIZON, KLIN/KEDR, VERESK, KASHTAN, A-91, PP-2000, VIKHR, VITYAZ, etc. etc.

VK-SF
11-30-2008, 04:38 PM
VK-SF awesome photos !!!

Thanks for sharing them again.


As you know me, I love weapons and especially tuning of AKs. Do you have photos of Spetsnaz operators with AKs and various scopes on them?

Its been always a popular demand and topic.
Right not many SF units of different countries upgrade and tune their Aks. There are a lot of good quality parts are being produced by USA and Israel. Also the ex-Soviet countries are beginning to produce their own.

VK-SF
11-30-2008, 04:40 PM
Can you elaborate on that please?

What small/compact assault rifles and submachine guns do you personally prefer? BIZON, KLIN/KEDR, VERESK, KASHTAN, A-91, PP-2000, VIKHR, VITYAZ, etc. etc.
At the moment I prefer the Canon foto SMG :-)p-)

VK-SF
11-30-2008, 04:58 PM
I read a paper saying it wasn't too great with NVG. :D
Once again for those who didnt catch the previous posts. This weapon was designed for tankers that could be using it in close quarters. Lets not compare it with Barrett 50 BMG!

VK-SF
11-30-2008, 05:11 PM
And finally before I go for the night, I want to show you all my friend's rifle which he used to win many first places during many competitions. Lobaev's rifle ala AW

VK-SF
11-30-2008, 05:12 PM
Vladislav Lobaev

sektor
11-30-2008, 05:13 PM
great rifle.

LEGEND
11-30-2008, 05:43 PM
And finally before I go for the night, I want to show you all my friend's rifle which he used to win many first places during many competitions. Lobaev's rifle ala AW

Nice looking rifle, what caliber is it chambered for?

edi213009
11-30-2008, 06:24 PM
Vladimir always nice to read from you,welcome back.
Few question on the Indian events.

What's your general assesment for the situation?
Can we say it is similiar to Beslan?
How would you judge the time taken by indian special forces to clear objectives?
Do you think they are well equiped and how professional you think they are?
Did ever train with Indians since their armed forces seem to have a close collaboration with Russia.

Did you shoot the Yarugyn Grach pistol?what do u think about it?
thnx.

Fidayi
11-30-2008, 06:54 PM
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=61964&d=1228077600

A sniper scope on a shotgun?

GazB
11-30-2008, 08:59 PM
I tend to believe a specialist, someone who has actually been there :-) This guy in the video explains, that launching a rocket of this size from sub can be compared to a man taking a knockout.

Indeed I don't pretend to be a specialist in SSBNs.

However basic physics applies, these missiles are launched from near the centre of the sub that weighs tens of thousands of tons. The launch of a rocket that weighs 40 tons wouldn't plunge the sub down 4-5 metres as it appears in the graphic in my opinion.


Now imagine taking 16 knockouts in a row. And what bomber have possibly to do with a rocket launch from a sub which is 55 meters underwater?

A 250 or so ton bomber like a Tu-160 Blackjack getting to its target and dropping 40 tons of Payload should be more greatly influenced by the sudden loss of 40 tons than a Sub for several reasons. The material holding the plane in the air is air which could be pushed aside more easily than the much denser water. That means the sudden release of weight should have more of a punch than 16 x 40 tons to an object weighing over 10,000 tons.
The Tupolev would have burned off half its fuel and probably weighed in at around 190 tons when it drops its payload so that 40 ton payload is a significant fraction of its overall weight.


First the media talk means absolutely nothing the term "hypersonic" is a generic term without a defined meaning, pretty similar to "nanotechnology"-hype used as label even for Yudashkins uniforms

Agreed, though most specialists use the term to mean Mach 5 or faster.


Now scramjet-propelled warheads is something entirely new and I doubt Russia would have developed it within such a short time.

The Soviets were testing scramjet engines in the late 80s.

http://pvo.guns.ru/s200/i_dubna.htm#100
The small item on the nose of these SA-5s (S-200s) is a scramjet motor. The missile is launched and it accelerates up to about Mach 5. When the main missile burns out the nose tip mounted scramjet engine powers up and accelerates the entire missile (minus the solid rocket boosters that fall away after launch) up to about mach 6. I presume the seeker section is taken up with fuel for the scramjet and the warhead section contains telemetry equipment. This test was made in the late 1980s. The result was that they decided to go for square intakes instead of a round intake like on a Mig-21 so that the airflow could be controlled more efficiently. In the 90s several design bureaus had scramjet departments "removed" from them and the whole development of scramjets was unified into one block. Perhaps the results are in the TOPOL-M and RS-24 etc?


and they didn't developed anything new since the fall of SU (otherwise it would be reported according to START-1 treaty)

The ABM evading warhead of the TOPOL-M has been detailed publicly?

They would only need to report details of the RS-24 when it enters service so details should emerge if not next year then the year after.


Do you really expect that a 47 ton solid-fueled missile to carry the same amozunt of warheads as liquid-fueled 200t SS-18 and more than 110ton SS-19 (especially considering the much higher weight/power-efficiency of liquid fuel as visible from Bulava/Sineva comparison)?

Have read speculation that the SS-18 could easily have carried 30 large warheads, but that decoys and penaids and more missiles made more sense.


Ah ok, no skill - no hit

With a bit of "use the right tool for the job" thrown in is what he is saying.

For a while it was the only tool available. When the only tool you have is a hammer treat every problem like it is a nail.. :)

With more tools to choose from that tool doesn't get used anymore.


For which foreign intelligence head quarters are you asking ?

Read some of his posts and you would ask that question again but without humour... :)

RomanS
11-30-2008, 09:08 PM
That's u Roman?

That be me :)

little icebear
11-30-2008, 09:15 PM
That be me :)

Are the American aware of your presence? That looks like Red Dawn to me. p-)

LEGEND
11-30-2008, 09:20 PM
That be me :)
Is that Airsoft or real? If real is that bulgarian AK?

RomanS
11-30-2008, 09:23 PM
Are the American aware of your presence? That looks like Red Dawn to me. p-)

I convert Americans :)



Is that Airsoft or real? If real is that bulgarian AK?

Its real

Russian made AK-103 clone. Built by Marc Krebs on Izhmash Saiga receiver ;)

LEGEND
11-30-2008, 09:28 PM
Its real

Russian made AK-103 clone. Built by Marc Krebs on Izhmash Saiga receiver ;)

Ah cool I've read about conversions being made, the trigger mechanism has to be moved forward. Do you know why Russian AKs are not imported here?

RomanS
11-30-2008, 09:32 PM
Ah cool I've read about conversions being made, the trigger mechanism has to be moved forward. Do you know why Russian AKs are not imported here?

There was an import embargo signed by Clinton back in 1994. Nothing military related could be imported to US from Russia or Common Wealth States.

LEGEND
11-30-2008, 09:46 PM
There was an import embargo signed by Clinton back in 1994. Nothing military related could be imported to US from Russia or Common Wealth States.
Hmm, strange embargo, Eastern European allowed but Russian banned? Is it going to expire?

RomanS
11-30-2008, 09:49 PM
Hmm, strange embargo, Eastern European allowed but Russian banned? Is it going to expire?

doubt it

:roll:

Hilbert
11-30-2008, 11:16 PM
Oh my fukin god

Ukrainian vodka too, "Khor****a" jesus christ this stuff is good.

I was in Arizona, shooting, drinking, shooting, drinking, ahhhh my head.


http://rms3d.com/images/Photos/shoot/Roma.jpg

You know Roman, that AK looks surprisingly familiar; I just can't quite seem to remember where I've seen it before.


Is that Airsoft or real? If real is that bulgarian AK?

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showpost.php?p=2678758&postcount=4147

Mr.Woland
12-01-2008, 12:37 AM
That be me :)
You shooting from what AK ?
100's series 7.62x39 ?

Hump
12-01-2008, 12:58 AM
This is a photo of the Global Hawk UAV that returned from the war zone recently under its own power
( Iraq to Edwards AFB in CA) - Not transported via C5 or C17.....

Notice the mission paintings on the fuselage.
It's actually over 250 missions . . . . (And I would suppose 25 air medals).
That's a long way for a remotely-piloted aircraft.
Think of the technology (and the required quality of the data link to fly it remotely).
Not only that, but the pilot controlled it from a nice warm control panel at Edwards AFB.
Really long legs - can stay up for almost 2 days at altitudes above 60k. The Global Hawk was controlled via satellite; it flew missions during OT&E that went from Edwards AFB to upper Alaska and back non-stop.

Basically, they come into the fight at a high mach # in mil thrust, fire their AMRAAMS, and no one ever sees them or paints with radar. There is practically no radio chatter because all the guys in the flight are tied together electronically, and can see who is targeting who, and they have AWACS direct input and 360 situational awareness from that and other sensors.
The aggressors had a morale problem before it was all over. It is to air superiority what the jet engine was to aviation.
It can taxi, take off, fly a mission, return, land and taxi on it's own. No blackouts in 25G turns, no fatigue, no relief tubes, no ejection seats, and best of all, no dead pilots and no POWs. Pretty cool, huh?
****

Hilbert
12-01-2008, 01:07 AM
This is a photo of the Global Hawk UAV that returned from the war zone recently under its own power
( Iraq to Edwards AFB in CA) - Not transported via C5 or C17.....

Notice the mission paintings on the fuselage.
It's actually over 250 missions.... (And I would suppose 25 air medals).
That's a long way for a remotely-piloted aircraft.
Think of the technology (and the required quality of the data link to fly it remotely).
Not only that, but the pilot controlled it from a nice warm control panel at Edwards AFB.
Really long legs - can stay up for almost 2 days at altitudes above 60k. The Global Hawk was controlled via satellite; it flew missions during OT&E that went from Edwards AFB to upper Alaska and back non-stop.

Basically, they come into the fight at a high mach # in mil thrust, fire their AMRAAMS, and no one ever sees them or paints with radar. There is practically no radio chatter because all the guys in the flight are tied together electronically, and can see who is targeting who, and they have AWACS direct input and 360 situational awareness from that and other sensors.
The aggressors had a morale problem before it was all over. It is to air superiority what the jet engine was to aviation.
It can taxi, take off, fly a mission, return, land and taxi on it's own. No blackouts in 25G turns, no fatigue, no relief tubes, no ejection seats, and best of all, no dead pilots and no POWs. Pretty cool, huh?
****


Cool machine but wrong thread?

Hump
12-01-2008, 01:10 AM
Yeah I realised that after I posted it sorry guys.
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VK-SF
12-01-2008, 03:26 AM
Saiga tuning:

VK-SF
12-01-2008, 03:40 AM
My new art:roll:

VK-SF
12-01-2008, 03:59 AM
Blaser R 93 LRS 2:

Abbadon the Despoiler
12-01-2008, 04:29 AM
great photos!
very interesting mix of gear.

Fidayi
12-01-2008, 04:56 AM
Blaser R 93 LRS 2:

Thanks alot. Great pics. Keep them coming. One question, that's a german sniper rifle right? And the soldiers are Russian?

Fidayi
12-01-2008, 04:58 AM
That be me :)

Cool. Looks good. Nice clean Ak.

binzer
12-01-2008, 05:11 AM
Saiga tuning:

That thing takes HKG3 mags?

Bifrost
12-01-2008, 05:57 AM
Special Unit "A"(Alpha):

pls kindly post photos of ukranian military in their respective topic http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=96008

Hump
12-01-2008, 07:11 AM
I haven't seen a decent Sub Picture for sooooooo long. And not some pissant diesel these Typhoons have ********s.

VK-SF
12-01-2008, 07:14 AM
Nice looking rifle, what caliber is it chambered for?
caliber 6.5-284

Difool
12-01-2008, 10:16 AM
Thanks alot. Great pics. Keep them coming. One question, that's a german sniper rifle right? And the soldiers are Russian?

Yes, it`s german.
The R93 became very popular as a hunting rifle in germany during the late 90s. Since a few years they sell it as a sniper rifle.
I shot my first wild boar with it, but it`s just an avarage-quality rifle.
It´s a bolt action rifle with the speciality that you don´t have to move the bolt up and then back to reload (we call that "Geradezug" in german). You can just pull back the action and then forward again to close the chamber. The magazine capacity is just 3 shots.

Difool
12-01-2008, 10:28 AM
9S36 radar for BUK-M2 surface to air missile system.

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/9122/1681928bq2.jpg

Damn, why that huge crane? Just to keep the vehicle covered and to look over the tree tops? I´ve never seen this before.

Fidayi
12-01-2008, 10:34 AM
Yes, it`s german.
The R93 became very popular as a hunting rifle in germany during the late 90s. Since a few years they sell it as a sniper rifle.
I shot my first wild boar with it, but it`s just an avarage-quality rifle.
It´s a bolt action rifle with the speciality that you don´t have to move the bolt up and then back to reload (we call that "Geradezug" in german). You can just pull back the action and then forward again to close the chamber. The magazine capacity is just 3 shots.

It's a great looking rifle and of course the quality has to be good. But why just 3 bullets? Why not more? And BTW do Russian forces use it?

Fidayi
12-01-2008, 10:42 AM
VK-SF, is this him?

http://www.actbenchrest.com/VladRecord.htm

VK-SF
12-01-2008, 10:45 AM
VK-SF, is this him?

http://www.actbenchrest.com/VladRecord.htm
Yes!Vladislav Lobaev!

Fidayi
12-01-2008, 10:50 AM
Yes!Vladislav Lobaev!

He must be younger on those pictures. He looked older on the picture you showed.

Edit: ok is see it, the pictures are from 2003.

edi213009
12-01-2008, 11:16 AM
Vladimir always nice to read from you,welcome back.
Few question on the Indian events.

What's your general assesment for the situation?
Can we say it is similiar to Beslan?
How would you judge the time taken by indian special forces to clear objectives?
Do you think they are well equiped and how professional you think they are?
Did ever train with Indians since their armed forces seem to have a close collaboration with Russia.

Did you shoot the Yarugyn Grach pistol?what do u think about it?
thnx.
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medo
12-01-2008, 12:17 PM
9S36 radar for BUK-M2 surface to air missile system.

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/9122/1681928bq2.jpg

This one is totally new vehicle for Buk-M2 SAM system. I think older versions of Buk doesn't have that kind of radar on elevating platform to see low flying objects on larger distance. How many of this vehicles are in formation for 1 division (batalion) and how many for 1 brigade? 4 this radars facing in different azimuts could form somehow a land based AEGIS in combination with rotating surveillance radars.

medo
12-01-2008, 12:41 PM
Are there any specifications for this 9S36 radar?

Vic Vega
12-01-2008, 01:08 PM
Hello, I'm a new member.

Difool
12-01-2008, 01:12 PM
It's a great looking rifle and of course the quality has to be good. But why just 3 bullets? Why not more? And BTW do Russian forces use it?

From Blaser homepage:
http://www.blaser.de/R-93-Attache.120.0.html?&L=0
http://www.blaser.de/Technische-Daten.811.0.html?&L=0

The military version has a 4 or 5 shot magazine. My mistake!

Difool
12-01-2008, 01:37 PM
Hello, I'm a new member.

Hi there! Nice to meet.

sepheronx
12-01-2008, 01:38 PM
Any pictures of the SU-27SM and its capabilities?

Or any pictures/information on any helmet mounted sights?

TheArmenian
12-01-2008, 01:42 PM
Are there any specifications for this 9S36 radar?

Some additional details http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=111752

Nuclear_Warrior
12-01-2008, 02:06 PM
Can anyone post pictures from the second Chechen war? Specially those where we can see SPETSNAZ troops.

RomanS
12-01-2008, 02:33 PM
Can anyone post pictures from the second Chechen war? Specially those where we can see SPETSNAZ troops.

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854 pages




and ask for this?

CombatBoots
12-01-2008, 02:36 PM
This thread, read it... No even easier, only pictures, see... yes you can, I believe in you Nuclear Warrior.

Nuclear_Warrior
12-01-2008, 02:37 PM
Hahaha sorry, so many pages and a bit busy at the moment to go through all of 'em

medo
12-01-2008, 02:38 PM
Some additional details http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=111752

Thanks, it seems I miss it.

ghostrecon74
12-01-2008, 04:40 PM
Special Unit "A"(Alpha):

Russians with multicam Bdu???...wtf....:cantbeli:

RSCH12
12-01-2008, 04:44 PM
Russians with multicam Bdu???...wtf....:cantbeli:

They are Ukrainians.

fastwinston
12-01-2008, 04:49 PM
Article about the Russian copying the Finnish M/05, seen in the Georgian conflict: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/21/world/europe/21finland.html?_r=2&scp=1&sq=finland%20m/05&st=cse&oref=slogin and http://www.defensetech.org/archives/004561.html

Fidayi
12-01-2008, 05:44 PM
Article about the Russian copying the Finnish M/05, seen in the Georgian conflict: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/21/world/europe/21finland.html?_r=2&scp=1&sq=finland%20m/05&st=cse&oref=slogin and http://www.defensetech.org/archives/004561.html

What's the sniper rifle the guy in the second link is holding?

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3201/2753322156_6694ae60b6.jpg?v=0

Mangol
12-01-2008, 05:45 PM
Article about the Russian copying the Finnish M/05, seen in the Georgian conflict: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/21/world/europe/21finland.html?_r=2&scp=1&sq=finland%20m/05&st=cse&oref=slogin and http://www.defensetech.org/archives/004561.html

Russian official camouflage
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a152/Densalakhov/Uniforms/Rus_Pixel/RusPixel_001.jpg

Finnish camouflage
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/4366/xeyzio1.jpg

no longer raise the subject

sudbin
12-01-2008, 06:04 PM
Article about the Russian copying the Finnish M/05, seen in the Georgian conflict: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/21/world/europe/21finland.html?_r=2&scp=1&sq=finland%20m/05&st=cse&oref=slogin and http://www.defensetech.org/archives/004561.html

Director of PR department of Finnish MD Yurki Eevonen (not sure for transcription - back to latin chars from cyrillic) denounced this information and said, that in Finnish MD have no claims to Russia. He said, that he accepts this story as a usual journalis attempt to blow out some scandal. The interview was taken by estonian newspaper.

http://rus.postimees.ee/261108/glavnaja/za_rubezhom/44689.php

Karl_Kroenen
12-01-2008, 06:18 PM
Russian official camouflage


Finnish camouflage


no longer raise the subject

Article did not discuss new Russian digital camouflage, but rather commercial variants.

There is a camouflage uniform produced in Russia by SPOSN (I believe) which has a pattern that closely resembles the Finnish one.

This is hardly surprising though. There are already copies of DPM, Flecktarn, M-84, etc..

Interesting that NYT wrote an article on it though.

Vic Vega
12-02-2008, 03:30 AM
Does anybody have photos of SURPAT digital pattern (Survival Corps is going to produce it)?

VK-SF
12-02-2008, 04:26 AM
Russian particular production:

Mormaeglin
12-02-2008, 04:33 AM
What is the deal anyways? it is normal that companies that produce military gear for commercial market copy various patterns, take Miltec for example. But there is a lot of noise if company from Rus' copies or desing similiar pattern, people cannot understand that commercial manufacurers are not state owned producers who produce eq. exquisitely for nationa armed forces? Finnish M/05 was copied in Poland even earlier by MIWO if I am not wrong, which is too also commercial manufacturer, and there were no problems with it.

Vic Vega
12-02-2008, 05:15 AM
Russian particular production:

Do you have more pictures of Survival Corps production?

piton_kaa
12-02-2008, 05:22 AM
@Mangol
We have already name tags adopted in RA?

VK-SF
12-02-2008, 05:28 AM
Russians with multicam Bdu???...wtf....:cantbeli:

They are Ukrainians.
Russian "Alpha" and "Vimpel" in multicam(Crye Precision):

Majestu$
12-02-2008, 06:08 AM
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=62073&d=1228209776

Call me crazy, But aint the helmet he is wearing an tactical helmet by western standards?
Havent seen that being used by Russia befor.

Vic Vega
12-02-2008, 06:35 AM
“FORT Technology” production:
http://www.bnti.ru/dbtexts/ipks/12_07/frt/rosich/rosich.jpg
http://www.bnti.ru/dbtexts/ipks/12_07/frt/redut_t5/redut_t5.jpg
http://www.bnti.ru/dbtexts/ipks/12_07/frt/corsar_9/corsar_9.jpg
http://www.bnti.ru/dbtexts/ipks/12_07/frt/piton/index.31.jpg
http://www.bnti.ru/dbtexts/ipks/12_07/frt/reid_l/index.30.jpg
http://www.bnti.ru/dbtexts/ipks/12_07/frt/voin_km/voin_km.jpg
http://www.bnti.ru/dbtexts/ipks/12_07/frt/grenader/index.29.jpg

VK-SF
12-02-2008, 07:02 AM
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=62073&d=1228209776

Call me crazy, But aint the helmet he is wearing an tactical helmet by western standards?
Havent seen that being used by Russia befor.
http://survivalcorps.com/

AlexMartin2
12-02-2008, 10:43 AM
Guys, I want to ask as very hard question :)
Is there any software, which allow to download all pictures from this thread automatically? It would be perfect if this software can minimize its activity and not to spam web servers with hundreds of connections.

I know about Teleport Pro, but it didnt work nice, probably modern web servers can block TP connections somehow.

piton_kaa
12-02-2008, 11:37 AM
@AlexMartin
Try NeoDowloader
I just tested it - working correctly with MP.Net downloading pics
http://luxsoft.narod.ru/Cachalki_saitov/Pictures.html

Bifrost
12-02-2008, 11:42 AM
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=62073&d=1228209776

Call me crazy, But aint the helmet he is wearing an tactical helmet by western standards?
Havent seen that being used by Russia befor.

It's not used. The photo is an ad. The gun is demilled too.

sepheronx
12-02-2008, 12:17 PM
“FORT Technology” production:

http://www.bnti.ru/dbtexts/ipks/12_07/frt/redut_t5/redut_t5.jpg


Holy crap! when will they get those in the armed forces? And that gun, is that supposed to be a AK-74M with additional mods to it? Man, that outfit is just awesome, and if they had standard equipment like that, including helmet mounted sites, then that would just be sooo awesome. hahaha.

Vic Vega
12-02-2008, 02:15 PM
Holy crap! when will they get those in the armed forces? And that gun, is that supposed to be a AK-74M with additional mods to it? Man, that outfit is just awesome, and if they had standard equipment like that, including helmet mounted sites, then that would just be sooo awesome. hahaha.

I think that Spetsnaz can use it. But I'm not sure...

Vic Vega
12-02-2008, 02:25 PM
Spetsnaz training (Russia and CIS):

http://bratishka.ru/gallery/csn092008/

Bifrost
12-02-2008, 03:05 PM
Spetsnaz training (Russia and CIS):

http://bratishka.ru/gallery/csn092008/

already posted. Not training. Competition marking 10th year anniversary of CSN FSB. Took 2 days. One of "A" teams took first place, Almaz (Belorussia) took second, one of "V" teams landed third. The cool looking multicam guys mentioned above - Ukranians didn't make it past day one. Which again clearly tells us that not the looks, but the skills count in the end.

Karl_Kroenen
12-02-2008, 04:37 PM
Holy crap! when will they get those in the armed forces? And that gun, is that supposed to be a AK-74M with additional mods to it? Man, that outfit is just awesome, and if they had standard equipment like that, including helmet mounted sites, then that would just be sooo awesome. hahaha.

TsSN already uses Defender-2 armor which is similar to that in the picture.

Unit cost is 1400USD per set though, so too expensive for infantry :-(

Additionally, armor rating is far too high for average use!

GazB
12-02-2008, 05:42 PM
Try NeoDowloader
I just tested it - working correctly with MP.Net downloading pics

Would talk to Hood before using automatic downloaders on this site.

Courtesy for a start, and second in case it effects site performance dramatically.

Nice pics btw.

Regarding the question about the BUK radar on the crane arm, the higher the radar antenna is the further away it can see things that are low down. For example on most ships the radars are mounted up high on masts, yet for most ships having weight up high is bad for stability so if there were no advantage to mount them high they would try to mount them very low instead.

piton_kaa
12-02-2008, 05:59 PM
Would talk to Hood before using automatic downloaders on this site.
Courtesy for a start, and second in case it effects site performance dramatically.
True. My fault and excuses

GazB
12-02-2008, 06:23 PM
True. My fault and excuses

I am not a mod, and you were just trying to help, but if we like this forum then we need to make sure we don't abuse the generosity of those that provide this opportunity. That means Hood, and it also means the Moderators who help him keep it going.
I certainly accept your appology... :)