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Flyboy77
03-25-2009, 03:59 AM
Awsome Su-25 video with a GSh-30-2 firing at 1:47.

http://video.mail.ru/mail/pavlovmv/-254611/237.html

K-5
03-25-2009, 05:08 AM
Awsome Su-25 video with a GSh-30-2 firing at 1:47.

http://video.mail.ru/mail/pavlovmv/-254611/237.html
same vid as one on last page? "count 1-2 ans let go off the trigger" that's what Gratch pilots used to tell. Gsh-30XX family is one of most efficient guns in its class and it spits 30x165 rounds. Poor camcorder almost gave up there imagine what it would be like if it was used in MiG-27 using its cannonp-)
A good contemporary aircraft cannon comparison page:
http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/modern_fighter_gun_effectiveness.htm
http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/ModernAC.jpg

Flyboy77
03-25-2009, 05:29 AM
same vid as one on last page?

Damn your right, didn't notice.

Bolt
03-25-2009, 11:57 AM
Guys, please excuse me for absolutely stupid question, but I was wondering about it for really long time: what is this rocket-shaped object in front of gunner's (I think this is where the gunner sits?) position in Mi-24?

Bospor
03-25-2009, 12:31 PM
Radar antena of some sort I think

Hyde
03-25-2009, 01:10 PM
It is a sensor for wind and wheater data.

Osobeast
03-25-2009, 01:14 PM
Guys, please excuse me for absolutely stupid question, but I was wondering about it for really long time: what is this rocket-shaped object in front of gunner's (I think this is where the gunner sits?) position in Mi-24?

ДУАС = датчик углов атаки и скольжения = angle-of-attack and angle-of-sideslip sensor

civilriot2009
03-25-2009, 01:24 PM
Here is a Mi-24 Yakushev-Borzov YakB-12.7 machine gun.

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d19/rhesus1/800px-YakB-127.jpg

civilriot2009
03-25-2009, 01:33 PM
And here is a Mi-24A.

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d19/rhesus1/800px-Mil_Mi-24A_Hind.jpg

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d19/rhesus1/1084665M.jpg

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d19/rhesus1/1102962M.jpg

wodnyfilar
03-25-2009, 01:59 PM
It's uglier than basic version...

xav
03-25-2009, 02:17 PM
Which Mi24 machine gun is best?
The turret one? (YakB-12.7)

Or the one next to the cockpit and that can not move (like here http://flamber.ru/files/photos/1211922554/1236800779_g.jpg) ?

I heard the turret gun is lacks in accuracy because of vibrations.

Flankerman
03-25-2009, 02:47 PM
Me ..... and Mi-24A....

http://www.flankers-site.co.uk/moscow_2007_files/day02_026.jpg

Ken

TR1
03-25-2009, 02:55 PM
Which Mi24 machine gun is best?
The turret one? (YakB-12.7)

Or the one next to the cockpit and that can not move (like here http://flamber.ru/files/photos/1211922554/1236800779_g.jpg) ?

I heard the turret gun is lacks in accuracy because of vibrations.
hard to say. Basic one was pretty good, with good engagement spread as a result of the turret, but was pretty advanced and ****e to jamming (in Afghnaistan especially). Also 12.7 is not the heaviset round, certainly nothing compared to mighty twin barrel 30mm of Mi-24P.

I would think the best one would be the twin 23mm gun found in a turret in the same position as the 12.7. This gun is used in the few Mi-24VPs made, but also in new Mi-35Ms. However I have seen some criticism of the gun in Russian forums.

vi
03-25-2009, 04:04 PM
Last training of Russian Army in Siberia

http://www.rg.ru/2009/03/23/reg-sibir/brigada-anons.html


http://search.rg.ru/gall/gall_img.php?photorep_id=3ecf568f&filename=ccc4aa05.jpg

I see the generals are wearing the new uniform, when is it going to be fully deployed to the troops?

Red_Rage
03-25-2009, 04:16 PM
I see the generals are wearing the new uniform, when is it going to be fully deployed to the troops?


You can see it popping here and there. I remember CF uniform change cycle - it took around 5 years to completely switch and finilize the cadpat uniform (with testing being done since mid '90s). Russia is has a pretty large army, so i fully expect to see flora for 5-6 years more.

On the side note, I am not liking the fake fur collar at all. Hopefully it is just issued to command stuff and troops get a version with a regular hood (otherwise it just looks like an old school "bushlat" with digital pattern). Epilets on shoulders is a huge no-no nowdays too.

vi
03-25-2009, 04:30 PM
Do you have any information on the results of field testing the new uniform?

dzhaga-dzhaga
03-25-2009, 05:03 PM
Mi-28

http://i.flamber.ru/files/st2/1211922554/1237755086_g.jpg

2000x1500 (http://i.flamber.ru/files/st2/1211922554/1237755086_o.jpg)





Mi-26 and Mi-28

http://i.flamber.ru/files/st2/1211922554/1237755087_g.jpg

2000x1500 (http://i.flamber.ru/files/st2/1211922554/1237755087_o.jpg)

somrandom1
03-25-2009, 11:55 PM
So no one here has any realistic number comparison for the Su-27SM and Su-30MKI?

Wonder how reasonable the RuAF officials are to say the Su-27SM was the best Flanker in service right now.

TR1
03-25-2009, 11:57 PM
So no one here has any realistic number comparison for the Su-27SM and Su-30MKI?

Wonder how reasonable the RuAF officials are to say the Su-27SM was the best Flanker in service right now.
Who knows, but those Russian officials are the only people who we have heard from that have examined and have solid data on both Su-30MKI and Su-27SM.

somrandom
03-26-2009, 12:00 AM
Who knows, but those Russian officials are the only people who we have heard from that have examined and have solid data on both Su-30MKI and Su-27SM.

I know for a fact someone here probably has good solid info on it, from brochures based on the avionics on the jets. The systems on there are evident, but the info especially for the Su-27SM is hard to find.

Like that guy who had some awesome info for me about the Su-25SM. :)

K-5
03-26-2009, 01:31 AM
I know for a fact someone here probably has good solid info on it, from brochures based on the avionics on the jets. The systems on there are evident, but the info especially for the Su-27SM is hard to find.

Like that guy who had some awesome info for me about the Su-25SM. :)
Kind of hard to tell what exactly you are looking for. SM currently is the best Flanker around since the other ones in service are Su-27S/P/UB and very handful of Su-30s, if any left. This all is ought to change when Su-35 will, if it will, begin entering service en masse. Su-27SM is basically Russian conterpart of F-16C block 50, but which is some 10 years overdue.

civilriot2009
03-26-2009, 03:31 AM
Caliber 7.62x41mm SP-4 special purpose
Noiseless cartridge

The bullet is going slower than the speed of sound that makes the bullets soundless when their are fired. Does anyone have a pic of this bullet????


http://www.youtube.com/v/K73kKODFyzw

somrandom
03-26-2009, 03:34 AM
Kind of hard to tell what exactly you are looking for. SM currently is the best Flanker around since the other ones in service are Su-27S/P/UB and very handful of Su-30s, if any left. This all is ought to change when Su-35 will, if it will, begin entering service en masse. Su-27SM is basically Russian conterpart of F-16C block 50, but which is some 10 years overdue.

You did read the post before right?

I'd like to see a comparison of the Su-27SM with the Su-30MKI . . .

since both should be the "best" Flankers.

flaming-perisher
03-26-2009, 03:46 AM
Does anyone know anything about something called an AGS-57? This is mentioned on the Burevestnik.Ru website, but they give no pictures or details. Any help at all will be greatly appreciated.

103
03-26-2009, 06:59 AM
Does anyone know anything about something called an AGS-57? This is mentioned on the Burevestnik.Ru website, but they give no pictures or details. Any help at all will be greatly appreciated.

Here is some info with 2 pictures.
http://desantura.ru/forums/index.php?showtopic=5418&st=0
It is a 57mm automatic grenade launcher, shown on top of the BTR-D.

zanuda
03-26-2009, 08:45 AM
Does anyone know anything about something called an AGS-57? This is mentioned on the Burevestnik.Ru website, but they give no pictures or details. Any help at all will be greatly appreciated.


ЛШО-57 ( АГС-57 на колесиках )
http://talks.guns.ru/forums/icons/forum_pictures/001953/1953514.jpg

http://balancer.ru/cache/sites/v/i/vif2ne.ru/nvk/forum/files/Nett/468x468/Tekst.jpg

xav
03-26-2009, 09:08 AM
ignore, error.

TheArmenian
03-26-2009, 10:24 AM
Zee motherload at Kubinka

http://t5.gallery.ru/watch?a=kBg-ccHd

TheArmenian
03-26-2009, 10:27 AM
Couple of interesting photos from Kubinka

http://i004.radikal.ru/0903/fb/2c4c7155fc5f.jpg

http://s41.radikal.ru/i093/0903/a5/4ec3f03f2b2a.jpg

Papah
03-26-2009, 12:34 PM
Hi everybody.

I'm looking for information related to the russian units that wear those patches on their sleeves. It would be very helpful to see some pics showing how the rest (of the patches worn by this two spetsnaz groups) are distributed on their uniforms, assault vests, etc. Which uniforms do each of them use? (I know it's difficult to be precise when dealing with russian troops). THANKS

First, VITYAZ
http://www.russianpatches.com/fotos/45_1.jpg


Second, Eastern region of Russian interior troops
http://www.russianpatches.com/fotos/126_1.jpg

Difool
03-26-2009, 12:41 PM
Hi everybody.

I'm looking for information related to the russian units that wear those patches on their sleeves. It would be very helpful to see some pics showing how the rest (of the patches worn by this two spetsnaz groups) are distributed on their uniforms, assault vests, etc. Which uniforms do each of them use? (I know it's difficult to be precise when dealing with russian troops). THANKS


My advice: www.spets.dk (http://www.spets.dk). It's the best site on Russian patches I ever found and I searched a lot. (The MVD unit patches: http://www.spets.dk/spets_mvd_stofmrk.htm)
For camo pattern look at this: http://www.kamouflage.net/country/00156.php
For equipment e.g.: http://www.russiancombatgear.com/
The official web page of the interior troops: http://www.vvmvd.ru/?menu=29

piton_kaa
03-26-2009, 01:00 PM
My advice: www.spets.dk. It's the best site on Russian patches
Hm. Speaking bout KGB\FSB patches - some inaccuracy detected

RomanS
03-26-2009, 01:14 PM
9 million views

Congrats all

Difool
03-26-2009, 01:15 PM
Hm. Speaking bout KGB\FSB patches - some inaccuracy detected
Well it's not perfect, but I don't know a better one. Any suggestions from you?

Konst
03-26-2009, 01:31 PM
http://www.myasishev.ru/upload/iblock/cf2/wm_02n.JPG

http://www.myasishev.ru/upload/iblock/934/wm_01n.JPG

http://www.myasishev.ru/upload/iblock/0fd/wm_03n.JPG

http://www.myasishev.ru/upload/iblock/abb/wm_07n.JPG

http://www.myasishev.ru/upload/iblock/d07/wm_05n.JPG

piton_kaa
03-26-2009, 01:53 PM
Well it's not perfect, but I don't know a better one. Any suggestions from you?
Well, i don't collect patches, so (speaking bout official patches) IMO it's better to lurk over MoD\MVD\what ever site and russian collectors boards. And bear in mind that there's over 9000 nonofficial patches made by specific unit (e.g in FSB there's one patch, indicating your belonging to FSB, but specific departments could introduce their own and those patches are not described in generally accessible acts)

jaybe
03-26-2009, 02:00 PM
ooooh yeeeaaaahhh

i see couple of hours of *********ing in his eyes rofl

zanuda
03-26-2009, 02:11 PM
Some mysteriously AA platform. Anyone know some info?


http://www.rusarmy.com/pvo/pvo_vsk/zrk_sosna.html

www.translate.ru bot:
It is intended for defeat of planes and helicopters of tactical aircraft, cruise missiles and remote piloted flying machines of the potential opponent, and also light-armor land purposes. High efficiency of a complex is provided with application in its structure hypersound hyper manoeuvrable rockets with the oskolochno-rod fighting part separated on boundaries 8 - 1,3 km impellent installation and rapid-fire double-hole the antiaircraft automatic machine 2А38, operated high-precision system of prompting. Full autonomy and high degree of automation of process of fighting work of a complex are provided with a high-precision automatic control system in structure optiko-elektromnogo the module of detection and support of the purpose with established on gyrostabilized to a platform a body-teplovizionnymi channels, a range finder, the beam channel of prompting of a rocket and a rocket direction finder, and also the central computing system. The modular design allows to place a complex on various carriers load-carrying capacity from 3,5 т. Between gun and rocket-gun variants of a complex "Pine" realise high degree of unification.

Xaito
03-26-2009, 02:14 PM
i see couple of hours of *********ing in his eyes rofl

who's eyes?
Is there somewhere a guy in the picture or something? ;)

cmsuvulcan
03-26-2009, 02:29 PM
This may seem like somewhat of a silly question, but there is something I'd like to know about Russian Roundels. I have seen photos of late 1930s and early Great Patriotic War aircraft and have noticed what appear to be two different types of roundels. One type is the normal solid red star, and the other is a red star that appears to have a circle in the middle. Did these roundels belong to different branches of service or something?

jaybe
03-26-2009, 02:31 PM
This may seem like somewhat of a silly question, but there is something I'd like to know about Russian Roundels. I have seen photos of late 1930s and early Great Patriotic War aircraft and have noticed what appear to be two different types of roundels. One type is the normal solid red star, and the other is a red star that appears to have a circle in the middle. Did these roundels belong to different branches of service or something?

photos please
i don't remember any circles

dzhaga-dzhaga
03-26-2009, 02:41 PM
Ka-50

http://i.flamber.ru/files/st1/1211922554/1237755075_g.jpg

2000x1500 (http://i.flamber.ru/files/st1/1211922554/1237755075_o.jpg)





http://i.flamber.ru/files/st1/1211922554/1237755080_g.jpg

2000x1500 (http://i.flamber.ru/files/st1/1211922554/1237755080_o.jpg)

TR1
03-26-2009, 02:43 PM
dzhaga, tell me if I am mistaken, but I recall you having a great collection of pics regarding Naval infantry BTR-80s of all sorts (mortar varants, command vehicles, etc) on a landing exercise. Where could I find those pics?

Dark-Angel25
03-26-2009, 02:47 PM
Tactical exercise in the Siberian Military District

http://img.rian.ru/images/12068/63/120686329.jpg (http://en.rian.ru/photolents/20090323/120688978_2.html)


A motorized infantry brigade held a large-scale tactical exercise target shooting practice with live ammunition at the Yurga range in Russia’s Kemerovo Region


http://img.rian.ru/images/12068/63/120686356.jpg (http://en.rian.ru/photolents/20090323/120688978_3.html)


A tank-heavy motorized infantry battalion attacking enemy positions during a tactical exercise target shooting practice with live ammunition at the Yurga range in the Kemerovo Region, part of the Siberian Military District.


http://img.rian.ru/images/12068/63/120686351.jpg (http://en.rian.ru/photolents/20090323/120688978_4.html)


Firing an Igla (Needle) man-portable air-defense (MANPADS) system


http://img.rian.ru/images/12068/63/120686389.jpg (http://en.rian.ru/photolents/20090323/120688978_5.html)


A tactical exercise target shooting practice with live ammunition involving units of the Siberian Air Force and Air Defense formations at the Yurga range in the Kemerovo Region


http://img.rian.ru/images/12068/63/120686378.jpg (http://en.rian.ru/photolents/20090323/120688978_6.html)


A tactical exercise target shooting practice with live ammunition involving units of the Siberian Air Force and Air Defense formations at the Yurga range in the Kemerovo Region


http://img.rian.ru/images/12068/63/120686368.jpg (http://en.rian.ru/photolents/20090323/120688978_7.html)


Army General Vladimir Boldyrev, commander of the Russian Army, supervising the exercise

Osobeast
03-26-2009, 02:49 PM
This may seem like somewhat of a silly question, but there is something I'd like to know about Russian Roundels. I have seen photos of late 1930s and early Great Patriotic War aircraft and have noticed what appear to be two different types of roundels. One type is the normal solid red star, and the other is a red star that appears to have a circle in the middle. Did these roundels belong to different branches of service or something?

Like this?

http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/fww2/i153/i153-c2.jpg

Flankerman
03-26-2009, 02:54 PM
There is also a style called the 'Moscow Star' - with shading along the arms, so that it looks 3-dimensional.

I'll try to find a photo....

Ken

zanuda
03-26-2009, 03:26 PM
Some low passes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7q3j69-SHM&feature=related

cmsuvulcan
03-26-2009, 03:36 PM
Like this?

http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/fww2/i153/i153-c2.jpg
yeah, that's the one. did the aircraft with the different markings belong to different services like VVS, PVO, naval aviation etc?

Zvezda
03-26-2009, 03:46 PM
yeah, that's the one. did the aircraft with the different markings belong to different services like VVS, PVO, naval aviation etc? I'm no expert, but I'm pretty sure the circle in the middle was from the stencil that was used, and of no particular meaning behind it.

dzhaga-dzhaga
03-26-2009, 03:57 PM
dzhaga, tell me if I am mistaken, but I recall you having a great collection of pics regarding Naval infantry BTR-80s of all sorts (mortar varants, command vehicles, etc) on a landing exercise. Where could I find those pics?

i had such, but these were pics from Red Star newspaper photographer, one of the visitors of my website from Far East sent them to me. Unfortunatelly they were deleted in the reason of owner request. i also deleted them from my PC. i had several Pacific fleet marines BTR pics, but it won't help

http://i43.*******.com/12222d0.jpg


http://i41.*******.com/2wextew.jpg




http://i42.*******.com/1498uh1.jpg




http://i44.*******.com/293ejyx.jpg


http://i42.*******.com/2ymy7ls.jpg



http://i39.*******.com/15xpe88.jpg

TR1
03-26-2009, 03:59 PM
ahhh, thats too bad, those were amazing pictures, thanks anyways though!

Hyde
03-26-2009, 04:05 PM
To me they look like dogs in the water...

Xaito
03-26-2009, 04:07 PM
To me they look like dogs in the water...

you have quite the active imagination don't you? ;)

XRR496
03-26-2009, 05:29 PM
http://i018.radikal.ru/0903/31/39b6acdcd9fe.jpg
http://s39.radikal.ru/i084/0903/88/44d01ffe222e.jpg (http://www.avanturist.org/redirect.php?url=http://www.radikal.ru)
http://s39.radikal.ru/i086/0903/ba/631b034959d1.jpg (http://www.avanturist.org/redirect.php?url=http://www.radikal.ru)

GTX-Typhoon
03-26-2009, 05:33 PM
http://www.rusarmy.com/pvo/pvo_vsk/zrk_sosna.html

www.translate.ru (http://www.translate.ru) bot:
It is intended for defeat of planes and helicopters of tactical aircraft, cruise missiles and remote piloted flying machines of the potential opponent, and also light-armor land purposes. High efficiency of a complex is provided with application in its structure hypersound hyper manoeuvrable rockets with the oskolochno-rod fighting part separated on boundaries 8 - 1,3 km impellent installation and rapid-fire double-hole the antiaircraft automatic machine 2А38, operated high-precision system of prompting. Full autonomy and high degree of automation of process of fighting work of a complex are provided with a high-precision automatic control system in structure optiko-elektromnogo the module of detection and support of the purpose with established on gyrostabilized to a platform a body-teplovizionnymi channels, a range finder, the beam channel of prompting of a rocket and a rocket direction finder, and also the central computing system. The modular design allows to place a complex on various carriers load-carrying capacity from 3,5 т. Between gun and rocket-gun variants of a complex "Pine" realise high degree of unification.

Thanks a lot dude!

realy nice piece of AA :)

turkishAMERICAN
03-26-2009, 07:17 PM
Goose walk is how the Turks walk, I think, not that


YOOW MAN I THINK YOU R INTERESTING ABOUT TURKISH MILITARY BUT TURKS DOESNT WALK LIKE THAT RUSSIAN ARMY WALKS LITTLE BIT diffrent


by the way any body have a pic about the huge plane that Russia had am sorry i dont know the name but its very huge

:) have nice day everyone

cmsuvulcan
03-26-2009, 08:17 PM
YOOW MAN I THINK YOU R INTERESTING ABOUT TURKISH MILITARY BUT TURKS DOESNT WALK LIKE THAT RUSSIAN ARMY WALKS LITTLE BIT diffrent


by the way any body have a pic about the huge plane that Russia had am sorry i dont know the name but its very huge

:) have nice day everyone

which huge plane? Maxim Gorky? TB-3? AN-225? They've produced several huge planes. Heck we could even go back to WWI and talk about Sikorsky's huge bomber which was one of the largest and most advanced of its era.

Hyde
03-26-2009, 09:17 PM
you have quite the active imagination don't you? ;)

With the head up high, paddeling to the shore... p-)

GazB
03-26-2009, 11:18 PM
Which Mi24 machine gun is best?
The turret one? (YakB-12.7)

Or the one next to the cockpit and that can not move (like here http://flamber.ru/files/photos/12119...36800779_g.jpg (http://flamber.ru/files/photos/1211922554/1236800779_g.jpg)) ?

I heard the turret gun is lacks in accuracy because of vibrations.

The 50 cal turret mounted gun was very accurate, but lacked range. Especially when the target is firing back with 50 or more powerful calibres.

The twin barrel side mounted 30mm gun is related to the gun fitted to the Su-25. It has longer barrels and a reduced rate of fire which makes it good for use against ground and air targets.

The current version has a twin barrel 23mm gun in a nose turret and is probably the best combination of firepower and range and versatility.


Wonder how reasonable the RuAF officials are to say the Su-27SM was the best Flanker in service right now.

Well if you want to be pedantic they are right, because the Indians don't call their Su-30MKIs Flankers anyway.


Some mysteriously AA platform. Anyone know some info?

It is called SOSNA. That is the SOSNA-R version with missiles. Missiles are laser guided and the gun is the twin barrel 30mm gun of Tunguska (2A38M).

GazB
03-26-2009, 11:28 PM
Regarding the Hinds gun armament I should also mention an aspect sometimes overlooked. A flexible gun mounting like the 4 barrel gatling 50 cal, (which came in two versions... the YakB-12.7 that weighed 45kgs and the updated YakBYu-12.7 improved model that weighed 60kgs... unusual that a newer Soviet gun weighs more than the weapon it replaces of the same basic design... the later gun could fire the full load of 1,400 rounds in one burst without overheating if necessary) and the later twin 23mm gun were controlled by the gunner. The fixed twin barrel 30mm guns were controlled by the pilot. The pilot also controlled the unguided rockets or bombs or gunpods with fixed guns. The gunner operated the guided ATGMs.
It made more sense for the gunner to operate the gun as the pilot should have been focusing on flying the aircraft while the gunner used the gun and guided weapons to kill targets. The pilot could use the rockets to suppress enemy fire or hit large targets. The guns were much more accurate and had a longer range than the rockets.
The initial replacement for the 4 barrel 50 cal was a twin 23mm gun but the ammo feed was unreliable. They instead went for a fixed mount and went for a 30mm gun. They eventually sorted out the feeding and overheating problems with the 23mm gun in a turret mount and introduced it on the last Hind model produced.

With night and all weather optics the turret mounted 23mm gun would be far more effective than the fixed 30mm gun IMHO.

asch
03-27-2009, 12:25 AM
Is that real? seems very simplistic looking from the recievers outward looks Hell the mount looks more complicated
no ****, man. six kilometers single shot range.

flaming-perisher
03-27-2009, 12:27 AM
WOW! Thank you for those pictures! And for the links, too. It appears that the weapon loads from the top, but I do not think that standard S-60 57mm anti-arcraft gun rounds would fit, they are too long. I do not think that 57mm ZIS-2 rounds will fit, either. They are also too long. Perhaps some other cartridge was used as the base for this weapon. As for the carriage, it might be somethng adapted from some old 37mm anti-aircraft guns. I suspect that this is some sort of experimental weapon, but I just do not have enough information to know for certain. Thank you once again.

LineDoggie
03-27-2009, 12:43 AM
no ****, man. six kilometers single shot range.
6K Range for something with a Blast radius of maybe 15M? and single shot, not Semi-Automatic?

No Telescopic sights or Laser?

unless I'm missing something wouldnt a Regular Mortar or the Vasilek be a much more effiecent choice?

Heavier Payload
Longer Range
More "Steel" on Target quicker

asch
03-27-2009, 12:47 AM
6K Range for something with a Blast radius of maybe 15M? and single shot, not Semi-Automatic?

No Telescopic sights or Laser?

unless I'm missing something wouldnt a Regular Mortar or the Vasilek be a much more effiecent choice?

Heavier Payload
Longer Range
More "Steel" on Target quicker
it do have automatic fire mode. still, there is a lack of proven data on this weapon for now, and only thing i read was about up to 6 km precise enough single shot fire.

LineDoggie
03-27-2009, 01:05 AM
it do have automatic fire mode. still, there is a lack of proven data on this weapon for now, and only thing i read was about up to 6 km precise enough single shot fire.Ok, Sorry I got confused when you mentioned single shot.

So it is at least a Semi, and looks to still be in the prototype stages, which would explain the lack of sights.

Still, always thought a Modernized Vasilek would be the thing to beat for indirect fires close in

asch
03-27-2009, 01:23 AM
as i understand, there is a certain gap between 30mm and 82mm artillery, and maybe this thing was designed to fill it. with a weight of 1/3 of Vasilek and decent 57mm grenades.

Jippo
03-27-2009, 02:21 AM
Hehe, it may be that in Russian opinion there is a gap, but I think you have a very extensive coverage with plenty of overlap of weapons from 9x18 to 152 howitzers. :)

It is quite hard to see where that would be useful to be honest. Doesn't look very light weapon.

F16
03-27-2009, 03:08 AM
Il-2, Dive Bomber :)
http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/8745/post851237990123.jpg


http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/6116/post851237990316.jpg

jaybe
03-27-2009, 04:21 AM
Il-2, Dive Bomber :)


It's CAS, not dive bomber

PACCTPEJI
03-27-2009, 06:41 AM
Hi all, does someone have this photo in better quality or hi-res? or such that the design of this toolbox can be seen clearly?

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/6343/p1010033nq9.th.jpg (http://img99.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p1010033nq9.jpg)

F16
03-27-2009, 08:48 AM
It's CAS, not dive bomber

As far as I know, there were used exactly like Ju-87 Stuka, that means they dived at Tiger tank and hitted him with 500 kg bombs, Il-2 were capable of carrying at least 10 500 kg bombs...
Close air support was also conducted...

Jippo
03-27-2009, 08:53 AM
As far as I know, there were used exactly like Ju-87 Stuka, that means they dived at Tiger tank and hitted him with 500 kg bombs, Il-2 were capable of carrying at least 10 500 kg bombs...
Close air support was also conducted...

You might want to check your information, because it is all wrong and Jaybe is right. Not even B-17 could carry such a bomb load, and Il-2 couldn't carry out dive bombing attacks.

SniperLane
03-27-2009, 09:05 AM
it strafed tanks not dive on them

Kap2406
03-27-2009, 09:17 AM
Petlyakov Pe-2 was the closest resemblance to a dive bomber the Soviets had. Il-2 was a pure definition of Combat Air Spport, as others have said.

XRR496
03-27-2009, 09:48 AM
http://ru.fishki.net/picsw/032009/26/mig/tn.jpg




http://ru.fishki.net/picsw/032009/26/mig/002.jpg




http://ru.fishki.net/picsw/032009/26/mig/003.jpg




http://ru.fishki.net/picsw/032009/26/mig/004.jpg




http://ru.fishki.net/picsw/032009/26/mig/005.jpg




http://ru.fishki.net/picsw/032009/26/mig/006.jpg




http://ru.fishki.net/picsw/032009/26/mig/007.jpg




http://ru.fishki.net/picsw/032009/26/mig/008.jpg




http://ru.fishki.net/picsw/032009/26/mig/009.jpg




http://ru.fishki.net/picsw/032009/26/mig/010.jpg




http://ru.fishki.net/picsw/032009/26/mig/011.jpg




http://ru.fishki.net/picsw/032009/26/mig/012.jpg




http://ru.fishki.net/picsw/032009/26/mig/013.jpg




http://ru.fishki.net/picsw/032009/26/mig/014.jpg




http://ru.fishki.net/picsw/032009/26/mig/015.jpg




http://ru.fishki.net/picsw/032009/26/mig/016.jpg




http://ru.fishki.net/picsw/032009/26/mig/017.jpg




http://ru.fishki.net/picsw/032009/26/mig/018.jpg




http://ru.fishki.net/picsw/032009/26/mig/019.jpg

Dark-Angel25
03-27-2009, 09:58 AM
Tactical exercise in the Siberian Military District

http://img.rian.ru/images/12068/63/120686346.jpg (http://en.rian.ru/photolents/20090323/120688978_8.html)


A tactical exercise target shooting practice with live ammunition involving units of the Siberian Air Force and Air Defense formations at the Yurga range in the Kemerovo Region.


http://img.rian.ru/images/12068/63/120686383.jpg (http://en.rian.ru/photolents/20090323/120688978_9.html)


A Mil Mi-24 helicopter gunship during a tactical exercise target shooting practice with live ammunition.


http://img.rian.ru/images/12068/63/120686361.jpg (http://en.rian.ru/photolents/20090323/120688978_10.html)


A tactical exercise target shooting practice with live ammunition involving units of the Siberian Air Force and Air Defense formations at the Yurga range in the Kemerovo Region.


http://img.rian.ru/images/12068/63/120686373.jpg (http://en.rian.ru/photolents/20090323/120688978_11.html)


A tactical exercise target shooting practice with live ammunition involving units of the Siberian Air Force and Air Defense formations at the Yurga range in the Kemerovo Region.


http://img.rian.ru/images/12068/63/120686394.jpg (http://en.rian.ru/photolents/20090323/120688978_12.html)
Soldie
rs camouflaging motor vehicles during a tactical exercise

http://img.rian.ru/images/12068/64/120686401.jpg (http://en.rian.ru/photolents/20090323/120688978-others.html)


A tactical exercise target shooting practice with live ammunition involving units of the Siberian Air Force and Air Defense formations at the Yurga range in the Kemerovo Region.

TheArmenian
03-27-2009, 01:53 PM
I don't care too much about uniforms and how good (or bad) they look, but I know that there are a few of you guys who love that subject. Have a look here for some of the new uniforms.

http://talks.guns.ru/forummessage/92/285509-m10663069.html

dzhaga-dzhaga
03-27-2009, 02:06 PM
"Berkuti" aerobatic group on Mi-24


http://i.flamber.ru/files/st2/1211922554/1237755055_g.jpg

2000x1500 (http://i.flamber.ru/files/st2/1211922554/1237755055_o.jpg)




http://i.flamber.ru/files/st2/1211922554/1237755053_g.jpg

2000x1500 (http://i.flamber.ru/files/st2/1211922554/1237755053_o.jpg)





http://i.flamber.ru/files/st1/1211922554/1237755046_g.jpg

2000x1500 (http://i.flamber.ru/files/st1/1211922554/1237755046_o.jpg)

TheArmenian
03-27-2009, 02:54 PM
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/7837/attachmentr.jpg

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/2774/attachmentx.jpg

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/6499/attachmentu.jpg

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/1393/attachmente.jpg

Photocredit to Sergei Miroshnichenko

Xaito
03-27-2009, 02:56 PM
Those Mi-24 pics are awesome dzhaga-dzhaga! Thanks!
Do you also have a video-clip or something of them doing aerobatics by chance?

ggk
03-27-2009, 02:59 PM
have this been posted before?

caption says russian SWAT flushing Mafia out by burning the house















http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/1231/1015b.jpg

SniperLane
03-27-2009, 03:10 PM
yes it has

xav
03-27-2009, 04:04 PM
What is the name?
http://i004.radikal.ru/0903/fb/2c4c7155fc5f.jpg

Konst
03-27-2009, 04:08 PM
http://www.nta-nn.ru/upload/iblock/d58/01.JPG

http://www.nta-nn.ru/upload/iblock/718/02.JPG

http://www.nta-nn.ru/upload/iblock/b28/03.JPG

http://www.nta-nn.ru/upload/iblock/60b/04.JPG

http://www.nta-nn.ru/upload/iblock/43c/05.JPG

http://www.nta-nn.ru/upload/iblock/c36/06.JPG

http://www.nta-nn.ru/upload/iblock/203/12.JPG

http://www.nta-nn.ru/upload/iblock/b8a/14.JPG

http://www.nta-nn.ru/upload/iblock/315/18.JPG

http://www.nta-nn.ru/upload/iblock/9c7/19.JPG

http://www.nta-nn.ru/upload/iblock/75b/20.JPG

http://www.nta-nn.ru/upload/iblock/b1b/21.JPG

http://www.nta-nn.ru/upload/iblock/948/22.JPG

http://www.nta-nn.ru/upload/iblock/a7e/23.JPG

http://www.nta-nn.ru/upload/iblock/497/24.JPG

eques
03-27-2009, 04:11 PM
What is the name?
http://i004.radikal.ru/0903/fb/2c4c7155fc5f.jpg
An-22

1234567

xav
03-27-2009, 04:11 PM
AK-107 ?
http://www.nta-nn.ru/upload/iblock/b8a/14.JPG

Thanks Eques

sepheronx
03-27-2009, 04:12 PM
Can someone please ID me what combat armor they are using?


AK-107 ?
http://www.nta-nn.ru/upload/iblock/b8a/14.JPG

Thanks Eques

Nope, just standard AK-74M

This is AK-107
http://img21.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ak107d.jpghttp://img21.imageshack.us/img21/4606/ak107d.jpg (http://img21.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ak107d.jpg)

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/%5BURL=http://img21.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ak107.jpg%5D%5BIMG%5Dhttp://img21.imageshack.us/img21/7046/ak107.jpg%5B/IMG%5D%5B/URL%5D

zanuda
03-27-2009, 04:21 PM
What is the name?
http://i004.radikal.ru/0903/fb/2c4c7155fc5f.jpg

http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?regsearch=RA-09309&distinct_entry=true

TR1
03-27-2009, 04:52 PM
http://zvezdanews.ru/video/army/0028687/

great footage of the veteran Kerch.

XRR496
03-27-2009, 05:02 PM
youtube classic

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gs9m5-k_vro

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIzXI-mlJjs

AlexMartin2
03-27-2009, 05:24 PM
All Russian members please read:

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/group.php?groupid=50&gmid=10005#gmessage10005

KoTeMoRe
03-27-2009, 05:29 PM
have this been posted before?

caption says russian SWAT flushing Mafia out by burning the house




No It was Podpolkovnik Dumbell and his OMON squad killing caucasian mobsters...in Sankt P.

mannelig
03-27-2009, 06:46 PM
have this been posted before?



Yes.


No It was Podpolkovnik Dumbell and his OMON squad killing caucasian mobsters...in Sankt P.

in Vladivostok

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=153320

turkishAMERICAN
03-27-2009, 06:50 PM
CMSUVULCAN THANX MAN I'm talking about this plane

AN-225

anny body got a interesting pics about this plane thanx

xav
03-27-2009, 08:00 PM
repost?

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/9016/02173087.jpg (http://img21.imageshack.us/my.php?image=02173087.jpg)

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/8020/02173077.jpg (http://img12.imageshack.us/my.php?image=02173077.jpg)

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/5207/02173078.jpg (http://img10.imageshack.us/my.php?image=02173078.jpg)

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/3214/02173079.jpg (http://img6.imageshack.us/my.php?image=02173079.jpg)

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/221/02173081.jpg (http://img27.imageshack.us/my.php?image=02173081.jpg)

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/2613/02173082.jpg (http://img25.imageshack.us/my.php?image=02173082.jpg)

http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/9611/02173083.jpg (http://img16.imageshack.us/my.php?image=02173083.jpg)

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/5165/02173085.jpg (http://img14.imageshack.us/my.php?image=02173085.jpg)

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/4125/02173086.jpg (http://img11.imageshack.us/my.php?image=02173086.jpg)

xav
03-27-2009, 08:02 PM
Do you know the name of these Class/Projects?

Unknown types of abandonned Russian CV and CVH/LPH projects

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/9341/45712161.jpg (http://img18.imageshack.us/my.php?image=45712161.jpg)
http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/2834/ph1.jpg (http://img246.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ph1.jpg)
http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/4558/ph3.jpg (http://img106.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ph3.jpg)
http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/7034/ph4k.jpg (http://img106.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ph4k.jpg)
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/5661/ph5m.jpg (http://img18.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ph5m.jpg)

xav
03-27-2009, 08:06 PM
Other weird Russian projects from Design Bureau Malakhit

Note the "BattleTank transport Submarine"
http://img101.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=93567_p1010530_sm_122_427lo.jpg
http://img11.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=93568_P1010531_sm_122_864lo.jpg
http://img9.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=93576_P1010533_sm_122_168lo.jpg
http://img155.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=93600_P1010535_sm_122_847lo.jpg
http://img162.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=93619_P1010536_sm_122_480lo.jpg
http://img46.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=93627_P1010537_sm_122_351lo.jpg
http://img161.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=93631_P1010538_sm_122_847lo.jpg

CIWS?
http://img127.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=93649_P1010540_sm_122_703lo.jpg
http://img190.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=93663_P1010541_sm_122_903lo.jpg

In soviet Russia container cargoes are undewater p-) Maybe the best solution to the Pirates issue off Somalia...
http://img142.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=93691_P1010556_sm_122_205lo.jpg[/QUOTE]

K-5
03-27-2009, 10:27 PM
Could anyone tell me what's the "tipovyi kompleks svyazi."

Looks like Sorbtsiya ECM pod to me

Er_spectr
03-27-2009, 11:10 PM
Other weird Russian projects from Design Bureau Malakhit

Note the "BattleTank transport Submarine"
http://img101.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=93567_p1010530_sm_122_427lo.jpg
http://img11.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=93568_P1010531_sm_122_864lo.jpg
http://img9.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=93576_P1010533_sm_122_168lo.jpg
http://img155.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=93600_P1010535_sm_122_847lo.jpg
http://img162.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=93619_P1010536_sm_122_480lo.jpg
http://img46.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=93627_P1010537_sm_122_351lo.jpg
http://img161.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=93631_P1010538_sm_122_847lo.jpg

CIWS?
http://img127.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=93649_P1010540_sm_122_703lo.jpg
http://img190.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=93663_P1010541_sm_122_903lo.jpg

In soviet Russia container cargoes are undewater p-) Maybe the best solution to the Pirates issue off Somalia...
http://img142.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=93691_P1010556_sm_122_205lo.jpg[/quote]


This could actually be a great Aircraft Carrier Platform, the the Aircraft would all be internally stored, and your whole carrier could be submerged:)
Has there ever been any such idea??

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=71231&stc=1&d=1238209605

planeman
03-28-2009, 12:01 AM
This could actually be a great Aircraft Carrier Platform, the the Aircraft would all be internally stored, and your whole carrier could be submerged:)
Has there ever been any such idea??

http://i43.*******.com/huk6qc.jpg

Migs
03-28-2009, 12:43 AM
Actually, the Japanese applied the concept of the submarine aircraft carrier during WW2.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdytwjZXt_Q&feature=related
(actually had a few successful attacks from these carrier platforms)

Flankerman
03-28-2009, 06:50 AM
Could anyone tell me what's the "tipovyi kompleks svyazi."

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/3269/knirtil005ssorbstiyapod.jpg

'Sorbtsiya' (to absorb) ECM pod - as fitted to the Su-33 at MAKS....

http://www.flankers-site.co.uk/su-33walkround/sorbtsya_02.jpg

http://www.flankers-site.co.uk/su-33walkround/front_02.jpg

More here (http://www.flankers-site.co.uk/su-33.htm)

Ken

dzhaga-dzhaga
03-28-2009, 07:43 AM
Those Mi-24 pics are awesome dzhaga-dzhaga! Thanks!
Do you also have a video-clip or something of them doing aerobatics by chance?

unfortunatelly not, only photos :)

zanuda
03-28-2009, 09:39 AM
kubinka training flights (before arrival m.d.a.?)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/Arxangel/JJ/avia/_MG_3994.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/Arxangel/JJ/avia/_MG_3853.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/Arxangel/JJ/avia/_MG_3976.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/Arxangel/JJ/avia/_MG_3858.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/Arxangel/JJ/avia/_MG_3866.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/Arxangel/JJ/avia/_MG_3870.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/Arxangel/JJ/avia/_MG_3876.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/Arxangel/JJ/avia/_MG_3916.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/Arxangel/JJ/avia/_MG_3950.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/Arxangel/JJ/avia/_MG_3976.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/Arxangel/JJ/avia/_MG_4020.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/Arxangel/JJ/avia/_MG_4029.jpg

turkishAMERICAN
03-28-2009, 10:09 AM
CMSUVULCAN THANX MAN I'm talking about this plane

AN-225

any body got a interesting pics about this plane thanx

Osobeast
03-28-2009, 10:14 AM
CMSUVULCAN THANX MAN I'm talking about this plane

AN-225

any body got a interesting pics about this plane thanx

http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?search_active=1&domains=Airliners.net&sitesearch=Airliners.net&client=pub-8297169501225184&forid=1&channel=1924797129&ie=ISO-8859-1&oe=ISO-8859-1&cof=GALT:%23E6E8FA;GL:1;DIV:%23000000;VLC:E6E8FA;AH:center;BGC:45678C;LBGC:45678C;ALC:E6E8FA;LC:E6E8FA;T:C4C8CC;GFNT:C4C8CC;GIMP:C4C8CC;LH:36;LW:639;L:http://cdn-www.airliners.net/graphics/open_file_header_image.jpg;S:http://www.airliners.net;FORID:1;&hl=en&search_field=datedesc&q=An-225&sort_order=datestamp+desc&page=1&page_limit=120&thumbnails=noinfo

uTu
03-28-2009, 10:17 AM
kubinka training flights (before arrival m.d.a.?)

Woah, those are awesome pics :)

TheArmenian
03-28-2009, 10:41 AM
New video of GSh-18 pistol

http://en.rian.ru/video/20090327/120770953.html

medo
03-28-2009, 11:45 AM
Great pictures of Su-34. Are those fuel tanks the same as those for Su-24? They look similar.

TheArmenian
03-28-2009, 11:45 AM
SR-2 VERESK (9 x 21 mm cal.)

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/3776/2005182.jpg

http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/3779/dca92fb15934.jpg

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/5296/371c95c03266.jpg

More info and photos here:

http://grossfater-m.livejournal.com/1260728.html

Nuclear_Warrior
03-28-2009, 12:22 PM
'Sorbtsiya' (to absorb) ECM pod - as fitted to the Su-33 at MAKS....

More here (http://www.flankers-site.co.uk/su-33.htm)

Ken

Thanks for the answer, I was asking because i read in some other forum that it was to act as a 'mini-awacs' or something like that. Thanks again!

xav
03-28-2009, 12:34 PM
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/5667/4012014716098o.jpg (http://img9.imageshack.us/my.php?image=4012014716098o.jpg)

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/3282/4012016360703y.jpg (http://img7.imageshack.us/my.php?image=4012016360703y.jpg)

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/9835/4012016360712s.jpg (http://img25.imageshack.us/my.php?image=4012016360712s.jpg)

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/1700/4012016360713p.jpg (http://img23.imageshack.us/my.php?image=4012016360713p.jpg)

http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/2853/4012016361722k.jpg (http://img22.imageshack.us/my.php?image=4012016361722k.jpg)

http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/5283/4012016361745d.jpg (http://img16.imageshack.us/my.php?image=4012016361745d.jpg)

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/5742/4012016361749y.jpg (http://img14.imageshack.us/my.php?image=4012016361749y.jpg)

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/7862/4012016361759f.jpg (http://img12.imageshack.us/my.php?image=4012016361759f.jpg)

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/277/4012016361763f.jpg (http://img11.imageshack.us/my.php?image=4012016361763f.jpg)

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/5820/4012016361770p.jpg (http://img7.imageshack.us/my.php?image=4012016361770p.jpg)

http://t5.gallery.ru/watch?a=kBg-ccHd

Hyde
03-28-2009, 12:42 PM
Is there any reason for the increased flying in the last week?

zanuda
03-28-2009, 12:46 PM
Is there any reason for the increased flying in the last week?

air show for president and others

medo
03-28-2009, 01:15 PM
I think this is the first picture of Pantsir in russian green-brown colours and it is not on Kamaz truck. It looks like MAKS before MAKS just for president.

JohnnyWalker
03-28-2009, 01:33 PM
Zanuda. WOW. Your not a hot chick by any chance are you??
Because if you were, and you posted those kinds of pics, I would have to say "Heyyy... how you doin?

TheArmenian
03-28-2009, 01:35 PM
I think this is the first picture of Pantsir in russian green-brown colours and it is not on Kamaz truck. It looks like MAKS before MAKS just for president.

Indeed. It is on a BAZ chassis. Very interesting.

TR1
03-28-2009, 01:41 PM
Why even put that tank on the Su-34. Where are the flying from, South Africa :)?

yake
03-28-2009, 01:53 PM
Su-32 is really majestic

http://i84.servimg.com/u/f84/12/94/67/22/_mg_3810.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=131&u=12946722)

medo
03-28-2009, 01:54 PM
As I know S-400 use the same BAZ trucks. Maybe this will make easier logistics for combined S-400, Pantsir units.

Anyway, i would like to fly in Su-34 too...

TR1
03-28-2009, 01:59 PM
Also are we ever going to see pics of the illusive Su-34 Toilet?

Flamming_Python
03-28-2009, 02:18 PM
Also are we ever going to see pics of the illusive Su-34 Toilet?

I wanna check out the microwave myself :)

zanuda
03-28-2009, 02:21 PM
zanuda. Wow. Your not a hot chick by any chance are you??
Because if you were, and you posted those kinds of pics, i would have to say "heyyy... How you doin?

иди бухай своё пойло

kote
03-28-2009, 02:38 PM
Isn't that flash suppressor supposed to suppress the flash?
And no it is too good to be photoshoped. Or is it just a muzzle brake?

TheArmenian
03-28-2009, 02:42 PM
Isn't that flash suppressor supposed to suppress the flash?
And no it is too good to be photoshoped. Or is it just a muzzle brake?

That is not a flash suppressor nor muzzle brake. It is an adaptor to fire blank training cartidges. Still that much flash in broad daylight does not seem real to me.

Gast
03-28-2009, 02:45 PM
http://zvezdanews.ru/video/day_events/0028707/
The President Medvedev and Minister of Defence Serdyukov visited Kubinka AFB.

piton_kaa
03-28-2009, 02:58 PM
Still that much flash in broad daylight does not seem real to me.
*reviving memories of trainings when in military school*
absolutely real

But to be honest, you have to thank camera's features (exposure etc) for that effect on the pic

peter.pl
03-28-2009, 03:23 PM
In Russia attack helicopters like Mi-24 are in use of Air Force not Land Force like in almost every army ?

Dark-Angel25
03-28-2009, 03:31 PM
http://www.naval.com.br/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/cvn-ulyanovsk.jpg


Russia to build nuclear-powered 60,000-ton aircraft carrier

TR1
03-28-2009, 03:53 PM
http://vif2ne.ru/nvk/forum/files/Chatskiy/(090328220408)_zvezda.jpghttp://vif2ne.ru/nvk/forum/files/Chatskiy/%28090328220408%29_zvezda.jpg


The New tricolour star

Papah
03-28-2009, 03:57 PM
I'm very interested in knowing if PBS-1 is usable with the AKS74U. Maybe somebody here can give a proper explanation about AK74, AKS74U, PBS-1 and PBS-4, please.

PS: this is an airsoft combination only.

http://www.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/70153/3324150b.jpg

Osobeast
03-28-2009, 04:04 PM
http://www.naval.com.br/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/cvn-ulyanovsk.jpg

Unfortunately, it's just an old soviet design - so called "project 1143.7" or Kremlin/Ulyanovsk class.

Frutzel
03-28-2009, 04:08 PM
http://vif2ne.ru/nvk/forum/files/Chatskiy/(090328220408)_zvezda.jpg (http://vif2ne.ru/nvk/forum/files/Chatskiy/%28090328220408%29_zvezda.jpg)http://vif2ne.ru/nvk/forum/files/Chatskiy/%28090328220408%29_zvezda.jpg


The New tricolour star

Reminds me of something but it looks greatp-)

Dark Avenger
03-28-2009, 05:15 PM
In Russia attack helicopters like Mi-24 are in use of Air Force not Land Force like in almost every army ?

The Army Aviation service was absorbed by the Air Force a few years ago.

Xaito
03-28-2009, 05:24 PM
they should make the white and blue parts much smaller.

KoTeMoRe
03-28-2009, 07:28 PM
they should make the white and blue parts much smaller.


Yeah right now it looks like Yugoslavia...p-)

Karaahmetoglu
03-28-2009, 08:02 PM
http://vif2ne.ru/nvk/forum/files/Chatskiy/(090328220408)_zvezda.jpg (http://vif2ne.ru/nvk/forum/files/Chatskiy/%28090328220408%29_zvezda.jpg)http://vif2ne.ru/nvk/forum/files/Chatskiy/%28090328220408%29_zvezda.jpg


The New tricolour star


No offence but it looks too American too me, they should have put the tricolor inside the star, kinda like the Russian flag cut out into a star shape. My avatar has the new Kazakh one.

Hyde
03-28-2009, 08:27 PM
Isn't that flash suppressor supposed to suppress the flash?
And no it is too good to be photoshoped. Or is it just a muzzle brake?

It is fully closed, so no flash hider on that rifle, so a lot of flash. Seems logic to me.

K-5
03-28-2009, 09:05 PM
No offence but it looks too American too me, they should have put the tricolor inside the star, kinda like the Russian flag cut out into a star shape. My avatar has the new Kazakh one.
It looks stupid, that's all. Politics aside, imagine a situation when friendly pilot is trying to id a plane with this marking visually. I'm pretty certain blue and red will fuse at a distance and look like anything but friendly insignia. And why should they change? it VVS had it's glory in WW2, Korea and Afghan wearing red and white stars, not Zarist like ribbons.

TheEvian100
03-28-2009, 09:23 PM
Medvedev and Su-34 in RU AF base Kubinka...



Nice one! Some more images from the same event.

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/1084/36052711.jpg

http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/6243/99572452.jpg

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/7987/72333689.jpg

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/412/38598474.jpg

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/7595/800x.jpg

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/2378/12604359.jpg

TheEvian100
03-28-2009, 11:00 PM
http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/4521/asd5u.jpg

Just a small tribute from me, to the Russian soldiers that fought and protected South Ossetia.

GazB
03-29-2009, 12:12 AM
Isn't that flash suppressor supposed to suppress the flash?
And no it is too good to be photoshoped. Or is it just a muzzle brake?Is actually quite normal. The muzzle device is a blank firing adaptor to allow blank rounds to be fired. Blank rounds have no solid projectile to be accelerated down the barrel so pressure must be generated another way to properly cycle the action. The combination of a muzzle device with a small hole to build up pressure and also more propellent powder in the blank round allow it to operate the mechanism normally, though at the cost of a dirtier weapon and large muzzle flash because there is more unburnt powder exiting the muzzle.


Maybe somebody here can give a proper explanation about AK74, AKS74U, PBS-1 and PBS-4, please.http://world.guns.ru/assault/as03-e.htm

Second photo down: AKS-74U-UBN.

And:

http://kalashnikov.guns.ru/models/ka116.html

AKS-74U with PBS-3 and PBS-4.

planeman
03-29-2009, 12:53 AM
Nice one! Some more images from the same event.

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/7595/800x.jpg

Any clearer pics of this Pantsyr vehicle -is it in service? Also, is that S-400 in the background?

TheEvian100
03-29-2009, 01:01 AM
Any clearer pics of this Pantsyr vehicle -is it in service? Also, is that S-400 in the background?

1000x740 is the best availabe, here you go:

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/5816/pantsir.th.jpg (http://img15.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pantsir.jpg)

About the SAM on the background, I think russian news mentioned it was S-400, but you'll need to check that with other members since I don't speak the language.

Er_spectr
03-29-2009, 01:12 AM
Some images from the Russian air Forces:



http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/8243/1498389.jpg



With this new helicopter do they also get new helmets? Night-vision and some high-tech stuff?

Karaahmetoglu
03-29-2009, 01:18 AM
In the pictures with the Kazakh-Russian joint operation, the light blue Su-27's with the white nose are Kazakh. If anyone has any info on which version it is, please tell.

Alef
03-29-2009, 02:11 AM
Wow, 110 000 rubles per month, things are kinda improved for fly-boys, is this true? Bachelor? :)
mmmm... 110k rubles? BS?

AlexMartin2
03-29-2009, 02:13 AM
Wow, 110 000 rubles per month, things are kinda improved for fly-boys, is this true? Bachelor? :)

There is a program of additional money for the best officers in the army.
They get their usual salary plus the bonus from 30k to 150k rubles per month according to their rank.
As I heard almost half of pilots have that bonus.

K-5
03-29-2009, 02:14 AM
Wow, 110 000 rubles per month, things are kinda improved for fly-boys, is this true? Bachelor? :)
His rank and being stationed in Cremlin friendly base certainly pays off:)

Zmey
03-29-2009, 02:42 AM
It looks stupid, that's all. Politics aside, imagine a situation when friendly pilot is trying to id a plane with this marking visually. I'm pretty certain blue and red will fuse at a distance and look like anything but friendly insignia. And why should they change? it VVS had it's glory in WW2, Korea and Afghan wearing red and white stars, not Zarist like ribbons.

Actually this "new" Star could have been a LOT worse. As it is, the thin blue *****e will be virtually invisible from few hundred meters. So, not much really changed.

shardana
03-29-2009, 02:49 AM
Medvedev and Su-34 in RU AF base Kubinka...

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/1808/big214437.jpg
Does anybody know anything about a ligher T50 project with a single engine?

GazB
03-29-2009, 03:22 AM
Does anybody know anything about a ligher T50 project with a single engine?There is talk of a MIG project for a 5th gen fighter that will be lighter and cheaper. Not as capable as the bigger Pak-Fa, but cheap enough to be bought in large numbers to make up for the fact that the bigger expensive 5th gen fighters are too expensive to replace older fighters on a one for one basis. The only single jet 5th gen fighter proposal I can remember (that was geniune Russian) was the Yak-43, which had a single engine based on the 25 ton thrust engine of the Tu-160 and Tu-22M3 that had a swiveling nozzle for thrust vectoring and VSTOL takeoff.

When MIG became part of OAK there were comments by the head of OAK that they were interested in a light 5th gen fighter to finish off development for the Russian AF and there were hints that the RUAF was interested though there was no mention that they had put any money into it at that stage.

sepheronx
03-29-2009, 04:01 AM
With this new helicopter do they also get new helmets? Night-vision and some high-tech stuff?

Like the Mi-28, KA-52 is an day/night and all weather based helicopter, so yes, it should have all the high tech stuff.

mannelig
03-29-2009, 04:41 AM
They're showing this film today, in the evening


The full movie have already been posted
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showpost.php?p=4017048&postcount=1390

medo
03-29-2009, 05:04 AM
http://pilot.strizhi.info/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/img_3047_mk.jpg

A picture of Pantsir from Kubinka visit. It seems to have additional IFF antena on top of search radar.

x_ray
03-29-2009, 06:48 AM
No offence but it looks too American too me, they should have put the tricolor inside the star, kinda like the Russian flag cut out into a star shape. My avatar has the new Kazakh one.
They should keep everything in red, this new one is not good. Kazakh one is better now ( :) for Kazakh, :( for Russian)

AlexMartin2
03-29-2009, 08:19 AM
http://pilot.strizhi.info/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/img_3047_mk.jpg

A picture of Pantsir from Kubinka visit. It seems to have additional IFF antena on top of search radar.

It looks too big. Will be very difficult to camouflage it. Shilka/Tunguska is much smaller.

TheArmenian
03-29-2009, 08:46 AM
It looks too big. Will be very difficult to camouflage it. Shilka/Tunguska is much smaller.

It has to be bigger, the missiles have twice the range of Tunguska's and the radars are more powerfull.

medo
03-29-2009, 09:28 AM
http://slovenskavojska.si/images/poklicna/enote/pssv_9bzo/9bzo_03.jpg

Roland in the same version is also big and have only 6 km range. I'm sure that tracked version to protect armor units of Pantsir will be as small as Shilka or Tunguska.

Papah
03-29-2009, 10:53 AM
http://world.guns.ru/assault/as03-e.htm

Second photo down: AKS-74U-UBN.

And:

http://kalashnikov.guns.ru/models/ka116.html

AKS-74U with PBS-3 and PBS-4.

Thanks for the info GazB, quite interesting things I read on those links.

But I still have my doubts about this combination. Are PBS-1 and AKS74U usable together? I read something about diferent threads in AK74 (were PBS-1 is intended to be used) and AKS74U when their flashfiders are removed, but maybe adapters could solve that problem, couldn't they. Please help! ;)

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03-29-2009, 12:38 PM
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somrandom
03-29-2009, 03:43 PM
It looks too big. Will be very difficult to camouflage it. Shilka/Tunguska is much smaller.

The Tunguska should still be around, and might even be modernized also?

Tracked vehicles do have their advantages.

K-5
03-29-2009, 03:52 PM
It has to be bigger, the missiles have twice the range of Tunguska's and the radars are more powerfull.
Well not really. Wheeled chassis, which was Arabs' requirement, itself is twice the length of combat module and unlike armored chassis it's size is directly proportional to load it's designed to carry. Army version will definitely use tracked platform (It's the army thing-they want it to keep up with tanks and have general compatibility with Tunguska, Tor and Buk) Here is some prototype info:
http://btvt.narod.ru/5/Panzir/panzir.htm
http://pvo.guns.ru/images/panzir/new/Dscf0020.jpg

Nuclear_Warrior
03-29-2009, 04:52 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbq0snxuKIY

K-5
03-29-2009, 06:51 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbq0snxuKIY
PTB-3000 is still there, me wonders where they flew:roll:

void
03-29-2009, 07:14 PM
Well not really. Wheeled chassis, which was Arabs' requirement, itself is twice the length of combat module and unlike armored chassis it's size is directly proportional to load it's designed to carry. Army version will definitely use tracked platform (It's the army thing-they want it to keep up with tanks and have general compatibility with Tunguska, Tor and Buk) Here is some prototype info:
http://btvt.narod.ru/5/Panzir/panzir.htm
http://pvo.guns.ru/images/panzir/new/Dscf0020.jpg

Wheres the tracking radar? I only see a search radar.
Also, if you watch this video, you'll see the Pantsir on a tracked BMP-3 chassis which is fairly compact:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6834993Posg

K-5
03-29-2009, 08:50 PM
Wheres the tracking radar? I only see a search radar.
Also, if you watch this video, you'll see the Pantsir on a tracked BMP-3 chassis which is fairly compact:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6834993Posg
Yeah, no tracker there they probably hurried it to the exhibition.
It is GM-59XX universal platform which is not BMP-3 derivative.

GazB
03-30-2009, 12:13 AM
It looks too big. Will be very difficult to camouflage it. Shilka/Tunguska is much smaller.

Its purpose is to defend fixed sites like an S-300/-400 SAM site or an airfield or HQ/Comms centre. It will be stationary for most of its time on operation and every time it fires no camo on earth will hide its position.

Tunguska is designed to defend things that move like armoured units. All versions can fire on the move but above shelterised version on truck is less likely too.


But I still have my doubts about this combination. Are PBS-1 and AKS74U usable together? I read something about diferent threads in AK74 (were PBS-1 is intended to be used) and AKS74U when their flashfiders are removed, but maybe adapters could solve that problem, couldn't they. Please help!

It is my understanding that all AKs have the same threading so that the same standard items can be attached. If you look carefully at an AK-74 you will see it has two bayonet lugs for example. This is because the new muzzle device makes the standard lug position too far back so a new lug is fitted just below the front Iron sight. The old lug is still fitted because it is used for the GP series underbarrel 40mm grenade launchers. The AKS-74U does not have bayonet lugs but I don't know why they would change the threading. Remember the shorter model AK-100s have the same muzzle break as the AKS-74U so they should all be interchangable.

The suppressor I have on my AK has an adaptor because the suppressor is designed for the SAIGA series rifles which do have much wider threading than the Type 56S AKM knockoff that I own.


The Tunguska should still be around, and might even be modernized also?

Tracked vehicles do have their advantages.

That would be likely... no point in having different missiles and radars for a system that basically does the same thing. Like the original the missiles are cheap and all the cost is in the sensors on the vehicle.


Well not really. Wheeled chassis, which was Arabs' requirement, itself is twice the length of combat module and unlike armored chassis it's size is directly proportional to load it's designed to carry.

To be fair, while the Arabs did pay for the upgrade the Pantsir was always going to be wheeled to reduce costs and compliment Tunguska and a fixed shelterised version was to be an even cheaper option.


Yeah, no tracker there they probably hurried it to the exhibition.
It is GM-59XX universal platform which is not BMP-3 derivative.

It was a cheaper version with no tracking radar. Terminal tracking and guidance was performed by optical sights to reduce costs and to operate in a more passive mode.

Outdated
03-30-2009, 02:06 AM
In the pictures with the Kazakh-Russian joint operation, the light blue Su-27's with the white nose are Kazakh. If anyone has any info on which version it is, please tell.
You mean these ones:
http://pilot.strizhi.info/photos/v/Cooperation-2008/battle/?g2_page=15
Anyway all Kazakh Flankers are standard Su-27 and Su-27UB.

madgordon
03-30-2009, 02:59 AM
Hi all, few interesting pics and news.

SAU Coalition project closed. There is a new project - "Необитаемость".



Early version BMPT:

1. Highlander Tank 1990

2. Early soviet version of BMPT

3. Т-72АВ with minimal modifications

Osobeast
03-30-2009, 04:48 AM
SAU Coalition project closed. There is a new project - "Необитаемость".
any details?

Flankerman
03-30-2009, 04:52 AM
PTB-3000 is still there, me wonders where they flew:roll:

And - if only President Medvedev had asked to use the toilet !!!!

Ken

void
03-30-2009, 04:57 AM
any details?

From the looks of it, they're going with an unmanned turret so as to fit a bigger autoloader/more ammo. Im guessing this way they can have a faster loading cycle, etc etc.

zanuda
03-30-2009, 05:59 AM
warning... violence

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAp7LVGsGPc

KoTeMoRe
03-30-2009, 07:07 AM
Holy ... the grenade!

Alef...what the?

Dark-Angel25
03-30-2009, 07:58 AM
Some old school stuff(Soviet Union)

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1100/530465802_b25363c729.jpg?v=1189870884


CCCP-77106 Tupolev Tu-144.
A monument of exeptional espionage. The Tu-144 was airborne before the Anglo-French Concorde.(CONCORDSKY:))


http://farm1.static.flickr.com/214/484161290_e37a10a81b.jpg?v=1194944544
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3192/2520725459_dc05ded24e.jpg?v=0
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2385/2035061637_012fcfcab5.jpg?v=0
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3144/2729412414_53bf74341b.jpg?v=0
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3110/2729412884_16124dcdd5.jpg?v=0


Mig-21


http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2013/2535503467_c4895ed354.jpg?v=0

Landing gear Mig-21

AlexMartin2
03-30-2009, 08:05 AM
http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=269299

Shows new Russian MRAP, and other stuff, like BTR-90.

AcoRS
03-30-2009, 08:40 AM
What the...? When was that?

Any info?

Looks like hell on earth...


I remember seeing this a while back. From memory the actual storming of the room wasnt taped, but rather they filmed this straight after the action as a sort of re-enactment... I could be wrong so if anyone can confirm it would be great.

KoTeMoRe
03-30-2009, 08:45 AM
I remember seeing this a while back. From memory the actual storming of the room wasnt taped, but rather they filmed this straight after the action as a sort of re-enactment... I could be wrong so if anyone can confirm it would be great.

I can guarantee you that the impacts on the wall are NOT bb's!

Awatron
03-30-2009, 08:48 AM
Yeah, if THAT was a reenactment, than i would not like to see the actual fighting.

User_Name
03-30-2009, 08:50 AM
I can guarantee you that the impacts on the wall are NOT bb's!
Its N.Caucasus, me think in Machachkala, "police" blocked some militants and they tried to escape. Summer 2008, there was also a "Vesti"-Report about this shooting.

KoTeMoRe
03-30-2009, 08:58 AM
Ah I'm thinking that AcorS was speaking about the Beslan footage...wich would seem more credible...especially with the RG-5 going off that close!

User name, yes it is indeed the Assault on Makhachkala...

TheArmenian
03-30-2009, 09:02 AM
Well not really. Wheeled chassis, which was Arabs' requirement, itself is twice the length of combat module and unlike armored chassis it's size is directly proportional to load it's designed to carry. Army version will definitely use tracked platform (It's the army thing-they want it to keep up with tanks and have general compatibility with Tunguska, Tor and Buk) Here is some prototype info:
http://btvt.narod.ru/5/Panzir/panzir.htm
http://pvo.guns.ru/images/panzir/new/Dscf0020.jpg

Here is a better photo of PANTSIR on a tracked chassis. Tracking radar is installed.
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/8871/p291.jpg


I have seen also PANTSIR installed on an MZKT chassis and on a BMP chassis (cheaper and lighter versio without tracking radar- only optical fire guidance).

So now we have seen PANTSIR on four different chassis (KAMAZ, BAZ, MZKT and BMP). The question is : which one(s) is the Russian Army purchasing? Are you sure it is the tracked version???

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/8292/img4481.jpg

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/7420/p841.jpg

Kutuzov
03-30-2009, 09:04 AM
Its N.Caucasus, me think in Machachkala, "police" blocked some militants and they tried to escape. Summer 2008, there was also a "Vesti"-Report about this shooting.

That footage is from Nalchik.

KoTeMoRe
03-30-2009, 09:06 AM
That footage is from Nalchik.


Edit: Nope you're right...Nalchik was in 2005.

shardana
03-30-2009, 09:31 AM
There is talk of a MIG project for a 5th gen fighter that will be lighter and cheaper. Not as capable as the bigger Pak-Fa, but cheap enough to be bought in large numbers to make up for the fact that the bigger expensive 5th gen fighters are too expensive to replace older fighters on a one for one basis. The only single jet 5th gen fighter proposal I can remember (that was geniune Russian) was the Yak-43, which had a single engine based on the 25 ton thrust engine of the Tu-160 and Tu-22M3 that had a swiveling nozzle for thrust vectoring and VSTOL takeoff.

When MIG became part of OAK there were comments by the head of OAK that they were interested in a light 5th gen fighter to finish off development for the Russian AF and there were hints that the RUAF was interested though there was no mention that they had put any money into it at that stage.
It sounds to me reasonable to develope a lighter 5th generation fighter, I do not believe Russia will export PAK-FA easily, even if probably they will be less rigid than US with F22.

civilriot2009
03-30-2009, 10:44 AM
As far as i know Pakfa project is stopped.

Osobeast
03-30-2009, 10:53 AM
As far as i know Pakfa project is stopped.

Yeah, of course...but Sukhoi, russian DoD and India still don't know about that. p-)

Another great videos from 461st ShAP:

N.Caucasus
http://video.mail.ru/mail/pavlovmv/267/268.html

Tajikistan
http://video.mail.ru/mail/pavlovmv/_myvideo/250.html

Alef
03-30-2009, 11:02 AM
Yeah, of course...but Sukhoi, russian DoD and India still don't know about that. p-)

Another great videos from 461st ShAP:

N.Caucasus
http://video.mail.ru/mail/pavlovmv/267/268.html

Tajikistan
http://video.mail.ru/mail/pavlovmv/_myvideo/250.html
1000 thx...
about last video... don't know circumstances.

medo
03-30-2009, 11:09 AM
So now we have seen PANTSIR on four different chassis (KAMAZ, BAZ, MZKT and BMP). The question is : which one(s) is the Russian Army purchasing? Are you sure it is the tracked version???

I think russian army will get two versions of Pantsir. PVO VVS will have wheeled version of Pantsir (maybe BAZ truck, because S-400 use the same truck), PVO SV will have tracked version of Pantsir. Anyway it will be very interesting combination of Buk-M2, Tor-M2 and Pantsir for protecting armor units, specially if we know, that even BMPT, Kryzantema, Kornet SP, BMD-4, BMP-3 and BTR-90 have quite nice air defense capabilities with their guns and missiles against helicopters and low flying planes.

civilriot2009
03-30-2009, 11:25 AM
Agat AAM seekers. Left to right: (1) 9B-1101K dual plane monopulse semi-active homing seeker used in R-27R1/ER1. (2) 9B-1348E active radar homing seeker used in R-77 variants and (3) 9B-1103K active radar homing seeker for R-27EA (Agat).

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d19/rhesus1/Agat-9B-1101K-1348E-1103K-AS.jpg

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d19/rhesus1/Russian-BVR-Seekers-06.png

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d19/rhesus1/Survivability-vs-Salvo-Size.png

Bachelor
03-30-2009, 11:48 AM
Fresh "dish" of the Ru AF base Kubinka by Aleksandr "ARX".

http://smilies.sofrayt.com/sae/fireworks.gif




http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/Arxangel/JJ/avia/_MG_3994.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/Arxangel/JJ/avia/_MG_3853.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/Arxangel/JJ/avia/_MG_3858.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/Arxangel/JJ/avia/_MG_3866.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/Arxangel/JJ/avia/_MG_3876.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/Arxangel/JJ/avia/_MG_3885.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/Arxangel/JJ/avia/_MG_3950.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/Arxangel/JJ/avia/_MG_3976.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/Arxangel/JJ/avia/_MG_3998.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/Arxangel/JJ/avia/_MG_4002.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/Arxangel/JJ/avia/_MG_4004.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/Arxangel/JJ/avia/_MG_4020.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/Arxangel/JJ/avia/_MG_4029.jpg

shardana
03-30-2009, 12:06 PM
As far as i know Pakfa project is stopped.

It sounds new to me, It is difficult to understand how they can stop such vital project I could think they could slow or simplify but not to stop

sepheronx
03-30-2009, 12:06 PM
As far as i know Pakfa project is stopped.

Lol, wow, where did you get your sources from? Russia already paid for the aircraft to be created and completed, so stopping work would be for no reason what so ever...


It sounds new to me, It is difficult to understand how they can stop such vital project I could think they could slow or simplify but not to stop

I think he is lying. Cause there is no way they could have stopped it, when two countries already payed for the project to be completed.


It sounds to me reasonable to develope a lighter 5th generation fighter, I do not believe Russia will export PAK-FA easily, even if probably they will be less rigid than US with F22.
Everyone knows Russia sells monkey versions of planes and other equipment. But the airframes would be the same, but internally, equipment could be very different.

Also, if Russia is going to introduce the PAKFA this year, they can not stop production of the test bed, that is why I think the statement that was made is false.

Nuclear_Warrior
03-30-2009, 12:11 PM
Amazing photos Bachelor!!

civilriot2009
03-30-2009, 12:31 PM
Lol, wow, where did you get your sources from? Russia already paid for the aircraft to be created and completed, so stopping work would be for no reason what so ever...

I really dont remember where i read those info....it was on a forum...something like defensetalk or somethink like that. They said Pakfa canceled due to lack of founds. Correct me if i am wrong...but didnt russia reduced military founds??? If not i wish to know the REAL facts...because i dont really trust other forum or BBC etc channels.

Hast2
03-30-2009, 12:37 PM
"I heard somewhere, very trusty source, but i don't remember the name and btw i should not prove i'm right, actually YOU should prove i'm wrong"

rofl

sepheronx
03-30-2009, 12:38 PM
I really dont remember where i read those info....it was on a forum...something like defensetalk or somethink like that. They said Pakfa canceled due to lack of founds. Correct me if i am wrong...but didnt russia reduced military founds??? If not i wish to know the REAL facts...because i dont really trust other forum or BBC etc channels.

If it was the case, Wikipedia would have something on it, and so would Janes and plenty of other websites as well. Also, the article comes from RIA NOVOSTI, and I have been reading on the website for a long time now, and never seen that article, nor can I find it. So I find it suspicious. I am starting to think it may be an early april fools joke.

I cannot find anything else based on it, but a defense talk forum post.

TheArmenian
03-30-2009, 12:55 PM
I really dont remember where i read those info....it was on a forum...something like defensetalk or somethink like that. They said Pakfa canceled due to lack of founds. Correct me if i am wrong...but didnt russia reduced military founds??? If not i wish to know the REAL facts...because i dont really trust other forum or BBC etc channels.

We covered that a while ago on this thread. It was a a false rumour that was started on the keypublishing forum by a stupid poster, it spread very quickly to many forums.

Carry on.

Papah
03-30-2009, 01:47 PM
It is my understanding that all AKs have the same threading so that the same standard items can be attached. If you look carefully at an AK-74 you will see it has two bayonet lugs for example. This is because the new muzzle device makes the standard lug position too far back so a new lug is fitted just below the front Iron sight. The old lug is still fitted because it is used for the GP series underbarrel 40mm grenade launchers. The AKS-74U does not have bayonet lugs but I don't know why they would change the threading. Remember the shorter model AK-100s have the same muzzle break as the AKS-74U so they should all be interchangable.

The suppressor I have on my AK has an adaptor because the suppressor is designed for the SAIGA series rifles which do have much wider threading than the Type 56S AKM knockoff that I own.

Thanks for the info:hug:

I didn't ever see any pic of russian special forces with silenced AKs that weren't the "academic" version: AK74s (and 100 series) with their lovely PBS-1; and the AKS74U with the PBS-4 (we also call it "******tor"). That was what was bugging me :cantbeli:

matthew.manhorn
03-30-2009, 02:03 PM
Nice flanker photo bachler. White+Blue+red colored Su-27 is my favorite fighter. I always wonder what colors did the Soviet-era Su-27 have

K-5
03-30-2009, 02:39 PM
Nice flanker photo bachler. White+Blue+red colored Su-27 is my favorite fighter. I always wonder what colors did the Soviet-era Su-27 have
Most flankers in service today wear same three piece camo from the mid 80's

zanuda
03-30-2009, 03:11 PM
..................... ups repost

alexgodinez
03-30-2009, 07:11 PM
For ground targets, the suite allows:


A tank-effective detection range up to 15 km, and aircraft carrier detection at 60 to 80 km:roll:;
Identification of the tank type on the 8 to 10 km range, and of an aircraft carrier at 40 to 60 km; and
Estimates of ground target range of up to 20 km.
http://www.aviapedia.com/video/new-mig-35-ols-video
(http://www.aviapedia.com/video/new-mig-35-ols-video)

[/quote] its use full for detecting aircraft carriers? GASP

void
03-30-2009, 07:23 PM
Radar Cross Sections cited (X-band):
F-22A Front Aspect = 0.0001 m2, Side and Rear Aspect = 0.01 – 0.001 m2 (0.005 used in this analysis);
F-35A Front Aspect = 0.001 m2, Side and Rear Aspect = 0.01 m2;
PAK-FA All Aspect = 0.01 m2;
Su-35-1 Front Aspect= 2 m2.

Radar Range Figures used are:
F-22A APG-77 = published figures (AW&ST - pessimistic);
F-35A APG-81 = published figures (AW&ST - pessimistic);
PAK-FA IRBIS-E N035 Best Case published figures (Tikhomirov NIIP);
Su-35-1 IRBIS-E N035 Worst Case published figures (Tikhomirov NIIP)


Where did you get the RCS and radar performance figures for the PAK-FA? I was under the impression that the radar type/model wasnt even announced for the PAK-FA, and that the RCS definitely was a closely held secret.

DarthJesus
03-30-2009, 07:46 PM
I've read that APA article and I have to say the whole thing is more than a little specious. The F-35 has yet to enter service so its hard to make an accurate measurement of its capabilities. The same thing for the Su-35. And as for the PAK-FA we don't even know what it looks like yet! How can you make any kind of realistic appraisal of its abilities without knowing anything about the airplane? APA has some interesting articles but it also makes some suspect arguements.

zg18
03-30-2009, 07:59 PM
I've read that APA article and I have to say the whole thing is more than a little specious. The F-35 has yet to enter service so its hard to make an accurate measurement of its capabilities. The same thing for the Su-35. And as for the PAK-FA we don't even know what it looks like yet! How can you make any kind of realistic appraisal of its abilities without knowing anything about the airplane? APA has some interesting articles but it also makes some suspect arguements.

Well , that's understandable because the project is "Top Secret".

KramerIDF
03-30-2009, 09:51 PM
Heya everybody. Instead of making a new post asking, I felt it would be a bit appropriate to ask here instead, because it is also a picture request.

The USAF has the Security Forces, and the RAF has the RAF Regiment, does the Russian Air Force have any sort of ground unit that specializes in airfield security/defense? If so what is the name of them and are there any pictures? Thanks.

Xaito
03-30-2009, 11:12 PM
Yamadaev shot dead in Dubai:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrOEdbMGZxQ

Er_spectr
03-31-2009, 12:17 AM
I've read that APA article and I have to say the whole thing is more than a little specious. The F-35 has yet to enter service so its hard to make an accurate measurement of its capabilities. The same thing for the Su-35. And as for the PAK-FA we don't even know what it looks like yet! How can you make any kind of realistic appraisal of its abilities without knowing anything about the airplane? APA has some interesting articles but it also makes some suspect arguements.


The article says that judging the current Russian technologies, the highest RCS they can reach is 0.01. Well it is supposed to be an estimate. The thing is we (people with only public data) can not comment on this matter, Sukhoi might have some top secret technologies that no one is even aware of. The problem is that in the 21st century having secret tech is extremely hard if not impossible ;)

K-5
03-31-2009, 02:02 AM
Yamadaev shot dead in Dubai:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrOEdbMGZxQ
Damn, first Vostok CO now him, RIP... Khadyirov Junior is one ambitious fellow

The article says that judging the current Russian technologies, the highest RCS they can reach is 0.01. Well it is supposed to be an estimate. The thing is we (people with only public data) can not comment on this matter, Sukhoi might have some top secret technologies that no one is even aware of. The problem is that in the 21st century having secret tech is extremely hard if not impossible ;)
True, but that source is known to make rather obscene exaggerations about PAK-FA. Look at the IRST proposed airborne object detection range for example.
I found this what-if projections which I thing are much closer to what an actual PAK-FA prototype is going to look like (big hopes for MAKS this year). It's got sound airframe, and that immature prototypeish look.
http://www.hitechweb.szm.sk/fightersSF04_soubory/T-50PAKFA.jpg

Alef
03-31-2009, 02:33 AM
http://**********/tracks/1709381.html?confirm=24c81517c4b026ac241e5c1d78430eb3&v=d55c5b6861e548a9800bfdef610bb65b

shardana
03-31-2009, 02:42 AM
Damn, first Vostok CO now him, RIP... Khadyirov Junior is one ambitious fellow

True, but that source is known to make rather obscene exaggerations about PAK-FA. Look at the IRST proposed airborne object detection range for example.
I found this what-if projections which I thing are much closer to what an actual PAK-FA prototype is going to look like (big hopes for MAKS this year). It's got sound airframe, and that immature prototypeish look.
http://www.hitechweb.szm.sk/fightersSF04_soubory/T-50PAKFA.jpg

70 NM range for AIRST seems an exaggeration but it anyway depends by enviromental condition (bad weather,clouds etc.)
Anyway use of thermal sensor will create problem to the stealth fighters they cannot reduce emission to zero, sensor fusion too could be a challenge.

Kutuzov
03-31-2009, 03:40 AM
Some Marching Glinka style :

http://www.youtube.com/v/CCkSJJeH3v0&feature=channel_page

http://www.youtube.com/v/diswrqiq3_U&feature=channel_page

http://www.youtube.com/v/4Qu6gr06lUU&feature=related

K-5
03-31-2009, 04:09 AM
Experimental Mobile Nuclear Powerplant:
http://savepic.ru/551348m.jpg (http://savepic.ru/551348.htm)

Dark-Angel25
03-31-2009, 04:23 AM
President Medvedev visits Kubinka Air Base

http://img.rian.ru/images/12080/44/120804441.jpg (http://en.rian.ru/photolents/20090330/120805026_2.html)


Russian President Dmitry Medvedev and Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov inspected operational and advanced military equipment at Kubinka Air Base near


http://img.rian.ru/images/12080/45/120804525.jpg (http://en.rian.ru/photolents/20090330/120805026_3.html)

March 28, 2009. Russian President Dmitry Medvedev before taking off in a Sukhoi Su-34 Fullback fighter-bomber from Kubinka Air Base near Moscow

http://img.rian.ru/images/12080/45/120804594.jpg (http://en.rian.ru/photolents/20090330/120805026_4.html)


Russian President Dmitry Medvedev before taking off in a Sukhoi Su-34 Fullback fighter-bomber from Kubinka Air Base near Moscow


http://img.rian.ru/images/12080/44/120804472.jpg (http://en.rian.ru/photolents/20090330/120805026_5.html)


The multi-role, highly maneuverable and fast Su-34 fighter-bomber can carry a large ordnance load


http://img.rian.ru/images/12080/44/120804456.jpg (http://en.rian.ru/photolents/20090330/120805026_6.html)


Russian President Dmitry Medvedev before taking off in a Sukhoi Su-34 Fullback fighter-bomber from Kubinka Air Base near Moscow


http://img.rian.ru/images/12080/46/120804605.jpg (http://en.rian.ru/photolents/20090330/120805026_7.html)


Russian President Dmitry Medvedev flew in this Su-34 fighter-bomber


http://img.rian.ru/images/12080/44/120804496.jpg (http://en.rian.ru/photolents/20090330/120805026_8.html)


Russian President Dmitry Medvedev flew in this Su-34 fighter-bomber, background

How many Su-34 does RuAf have in service?

void
03-31-2009, 04:34 AM
How many Su-34 does RuAf have in service?

2, but NAPO just finished retooling their plant and are starting the serial production of the Su-34.

civilriot2009
03-31-2009, 04:53 AM
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d19/rhesus1/scan0006copy2va6.jpg

Maybe Pak-Fa???
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d19/rhesus1/85909393.jpg

void
03-31-2009, 05:06 AM
Thats a Su-27, either that or the Pak-FA will be VERY similar, have a look at this pic:

http://www.suchoj.com/ab1953/Su-27/riss/Su-27_RussianKnights_08.jpg

You can see the similarities, namely the spine shape and the proportions. Also the
tail fins start at the same point where there is a bulge in airframe for the engines
in both pics.

civilriot2009
03-31-2009, 05:22 AM
Thats a Su-27, either that or the Pak-FA will be VERY similar, have a look at this pic:

http://www.suchoj.com/ab1953/Su-27/riss/Su-27_RussianKnights_08.jpg

You can see the similarities, namely the spine shape and the proportions. Also the
tail fins start at the same point where there is a bulge in airframe for the engines
in both pics.

Hmmmm....yea. Its not PakFa

Xaito
03-31-2009, 06:56 AM
Thats a Su-27

looks more like a Mig-35 to me

void
03-31-2009, 07:01 AM
looks more like a Mig-35 to me

Too big to be a Mig-35, and the spine is wrong, look at the Mig-35 spine:
http://www.algerlablanche.com/actualite/IMG/jpg/MIG35_face.jpg

It stays fat and pretty raised all the way to the end

civilriot2009
03-31-2009, 07:02 AM
The interesting thing is at 5:00. A "tank" with a jet engine on it. Its a real offroad animal.

http://www.youtube.com/v/TrNkV6kVPos

civilriot2009
03-31-2009, 07:11 AM
looks more like a Mig-35 to me

Definitely not Mig-35. Tail fin is different form pic i posted.
http://www.defencetalk.com/pictures/data/4842/Mig-35.jpg
Has to be su-27.....

xav
03-31-2009, 09:41 AM
Did any SU34 flew combat missions in Georgia?

sepheronx
03-31-2009, 09:45 AM
Did any SU34 flew combat missions in Georgia?
as far as anyone is aware of, no. And anyway, with only 2 in service, I doubt they would use them in that combat. Mainly SU-24's where used in for the roll of strategic bombing.

Edit: My mistake (thanks Armenian), there are 3 SU-34's.

TheArmenian
03-31-2009, 09:46 AM
There are 3 Su-34s in service. Not 2. Medvedev flew in the 3rd one that was delivered late last year.

Bachelor
03-31-2009, 11:31 AM
There are 3 Su-34s in service. Not 2. Medvedev flew in the 3rd one that was delivered late last year.

Actually not 3. Three only in Lipetsk RuAF War Center.

SU-34/32FN Fullback Long range fighter-bomber

Total number (active): 11
Inventory:
AF/AD: Su-34, 11, accepted in AF, delivery started December 2006, 2 ac delivered. (acc to other sources -in December 2003) Stopped. 2006: program restarted. 01.03/2009: 11 ac delivered to Lipetsk, Astrakhan, Zhukovsky and Novosibirsk distr bases for flight tests. Planned 70+ (2015).

Onboard numbers:
№ not number (for static tests)
№ 42
№ 43
№ 44 - 343
№ 45 - 349
№ 46
№ 47
№ 48
№ 49 - 01
№ 02
№ 03

XRR496
03-31-2009, 11:53 AM
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/1562/83328033.jpg

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/8796/84036289.jpg

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/7532/35600147.jpg

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/5613/86707347.jpg

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/1993/88730824.jpg


http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/1639/63874326.jpg

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/9611/83454964.jpg

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/4922/88173716.jpg

Masakari
03-31-2009, 12:33 PM
^^^^

Is this a new command vehicle ?

medo
03-31-2009, 12:34 PM
This MT-LBu looks like air defense command post. With which systems they will work?

Digimon
03-31-2009, 01:13 PM
Did any SU34 flew combat missions in Georgia?

Yes.

Source: http://www.vko.ru/DesktopModules/Articles/ArticlesView.aspx?tabID=320&ItemID=269&mid=2893&wversion=Staging

AlexMartin2
03-31-2009, 02:09 PM
Yes.

Source: http://www.vko.ru/DesktopModules/Articles/ArticlesView.aspx?tabID=320&ItemID=269&mid=2893&wversion=Staging

I dont know, so much in this article is BS, so I dont think we can trust it about Su-34.

Moskit
03-31-2009, 02:21 PM
Yes your right, but why not to use Su34 ?
Thats a pefect place to test new things.

Dark-Angel25
03-31-2009, 02:23 PM
Actually not 3. Three only in Lipetsk RuAF War Center.

SU-34/32FN Fullback Long range fighter-bomber

Total number (active): 11
Inventory:
AF/AD: Su-34, 11, accepted in AF, delivery started December 2006, 2 ac delivered. (acc to other sources -in December 2003) Stopped. 2006: program restarted. 01.03/2009: 11 ac delivered to Lipetsk, Astrakhan, Zhukovsky and Novosibirsk distr bases for flight tests. Planned 70+ (2015).

Onboard numbers:
№ not number (for static tests)
№ 42
№ 43
№ 44 - 343
№ 45 - 349
№ 46
№ 47
№ 48
№ 49 - 01
№ 02
№ 03
Thanx for the detalied info.

Mr.Woland
03-31-2009, 02:34 PM
^^^^
Is this a new command vehicle ?

With which systems they will work?
Most looks like listening-in station or jamming station.

-Julik- 4.GdKp
03-31-2009, 03:42 PM
Pantsir
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zt2hEaKLULE&feature=related

SS-18 Satan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W7p3pBPmYA&feature=related

'Admiral Penteleev' in Somalia
http://zvezdanews.ru/video/day_events/army/0028660/

Spetsnaz exercise
http://zvezdanews.ru/video/day_events/army/0028689/



New Il-476 transport plane
http://www.arms-tass.su/?page=article&aid=68739&cid=25


ps: Superb photos guys!!!

xav
03-31-2009, 05:30 PM
Pantsir

Why do they show a Mirage 2000 and not a US plane getting shot down :|

Moskit
03-31-2009, 05:40 PM
Wow what an incredible footage in the pantsir Video !!!

SniperLane
03-31-2009, 05:41 PM
Yes your right, but why not to use Su34 ?
Thats a pefect place to test new things.

you say it like it was somekind of livefire exercise... p-)

Mr.Woland
03-31-2009, 05:53 PM
Why do they show a Mirage 2000 and not a US plane getting shot down :|
Coz this video from testing in United Arab Emirates or Saudi.

Papah
03-31-2009, 07:17 PM
Are there english subtitles for the film "Olympus Inferno" about Russia-Georgia war?

xav
03-31-2009, 07:28 PM
Are there english subtitles for the film "Olympus Inferno" about Russia-Georgia war?

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=145019&page=99

K-5
03-31-2009, 07:29 PM
you say it like it was somekind of livefire exercise... p-)
Because there are no Su-34s in active service, and planes given to Lipetsk are used to develop tactics and methodology manuals.

evb58362
03-31-2009, 08:01 PM
Nevertheless, pilots from the Lipetsk and Akhtubinsk test centers did participate in the war, probably because they were among the few with enough experience. There are certainly rumors about the Su-34 having taken part and, honestly, I would not find this surprising.

As for the numbers, there are in fact only three serially produced Su-34s and even these were not produced from scratch, but completed from the pre-production batch. The latest numbers for the RuAF Su-34 order puts it at 32.

Digimon
04-01-2009, 12:22 AM
I dont know, so much in this article is BS, so I dont think we can trust it about Su-34.

Well. Given that no source of the information used in analysis had been given, it is possible; but I do not believe that this is sufficient to warrant scepticism.

VKO is published by VPK-media, which is partnered with Concern PVO Almaz-Antey; it appears to be their media-wing. The publishing house had been recognized for its contributions by the Military Academy and the Ministry of Defence (source: http://www.vpk-media.ru/awards.aspx (http://www.vpk-media.ru/awards.aspx)). Unintentional errors aside, I have little reason to doubt the veracity of a serious publication like VKO or its confidence in its analysts.

During discussions of this analysis, it has been pointed out that a wing of Mig-25PB/Su-24MP, a wing of Su-27, and a wing of Su-24M (including a pair of Su-34) were used from 968th aviation regiment at Lipetsk (with relocation to Mozdok and Budenovsk).

Vovka
04-01-2009, 01:49 AM
for the description of this interesting weapon - look it up on www.world.guns.ru (http://www.world.guns.ru)

pictures belong to Maxim Popenker -the creator of the site

shardana
04-01-2009, 04:40 AM
Pantsir
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zt2hEaKLULE&feature=related

SS-18 Satan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W7p3pBPmYA&feature=related

'Admiral Penteleev' in Somalia
http://zvezdanews.ru/video/day_events/army/0028660/

Spetsnaz exercise
http://zvezdanews.ru/video/day_events/army/0028689/



New Il-476 transport plane
http://www.arms-tass.su/?page=article&aid=68739&cid=25


ps: Superb photos guys!!!
Is it Il-476 an extensively upgrade of Il-76?
Will it be in competition with the MTA russoindian program?

vad_tfk
04-01-2009, 05:36 AM
Why do they show a Mirage 2000 and not a US plane getting shot down :|
Cuz those SAM carrier was developed for the Middle East market, mainly for UAE army (in Middle East region Israel has Mirages)...Commercial trick

Mr. Voland, sorry for Баян

Jippo
04-01-2009, 06:53 AM
Why do they show a Mirage 2000 and not a US plane getting shot down :|

I find it more interesting to see thaat you think they should shoot down US planes. Why is that?