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zg18
06-19-2009, 12:34 PM
Taken from another forum.Credit goes to the inside man "RSM55".
Yury Dolgoryky on sea trials.Pretty streamlined as smone pointed out:)


Nice find!!

TheArmenian
06-19-2009, 12:55 PM
Taken from another forum.Credit goes to the inside man "RSM55".
Yury Dolgoryky on sea trials.Pretty streamlined as smone pointed out:)

Dear poster of the photos of Y. Dolgoruky,

Thanks for the photo.
I hope your time in a Siberian jail will not be too unpleasant.

:)

Cyborn
06-19-2009, 01:07 PM
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/5266/p1000200k.jpg
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/8765/p1000208.jpg
http://forums.airbase.ru/2009/06/t67634,5--~YUrij-Dolgorukij~-vykhodit-na-khodovye.6275.html

XRR496
06-19-2009, 01:22 PM
http://ru.fishki.net/picsw/062009/16/anek/1.jpg

XRR496
06-19-2009, 02:40 PM
Proton-M (Protostar-2)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vupKHNPw2M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfrjGgBvDL4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJCxRqGw1xM&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rKxkmfj58M

XRR496
06-19-2009, 02:41 PM
Proton-M (Glonas-M)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1Hgkai8psI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9wc18fMv4A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9WH879nqHA

riverman83
06-19-2009, 05:33 PM
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/5266/p1000200k.jpg
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/8765/p1000208.jpg
http://forums.airbase.ru/2009/06/t67634,5--~YUrij-Dolgorukij~-vykhodit-na-khodovye.6275.html

Very nice, have been waiting for more pic of the Borei :)

xav
06-19-2009, 06:09 PM
Some Russian gear in here:
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=159448

(paris air show)
Can you please ID the picture of the MFD and translate the text?

NicNZ
06-19-2009, 06:26 PM
Can kill...dangerous underwater marine life like sharks and even jellyfish and squid/octapus etc
Come on now Gaz, really? What use is a rifle against jellyfish and octopus?

piton_kaa
06-19-2009, 06:40 PM
Come on now Gaz, really? What use is a rifle against jellyfish and octopus?
especially against attacking maco or great white :cantbeli:

sepheronx
06-19-2009, 06:41 PM
Some Russian gear in here:
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=159448

(paris air show)
Can you please ID the picture of the MFD and translate the text?

No Russian UAV section? Phooy....

XRR496
06-19-2009, 07:20 PM
SS-18 "Satan" (sat.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knoa7oBdZkA

"Souz"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z3vJ1JrtPU

Proton-m (night)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMFI29PFBSE

+ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mm0JIF4V4hw

JohnnyWalker
06-19-2009, 08:43 PM
Expanded pic.

Nice boat :)

Bulava test in July. . .

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/7505/p1000211dxb.jpg

ARG... drooool

Beauty

BoevayaSistema
06-19-2009, 09:15 PM
Expanded pic.

Nice boat :)

Bulava test in July. . .

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/7505/p1000211dxb.jpg

I could tell it's a good sub. She looks so f*** mean!

Red_Rage
06-19-2009, 09:23 PM
I could tell it's a good sub. She looks so f*** mean!



Meh, still peanuts compared to two Typhoons rusting away at dock. No swimming pool inside either p-)

hittite
06-19-2009, 11:01 PM
anyone help me ID the truck and gun(2b16?) of this pic

Kupr
06-20-2009, 02:45 AM
How USSR won WWII

http://photofile.ru/photo/semer1980/135153109/xlarge/137846212.jpg

http://photofile.ru/photo/semer1980/135153109/xlarge/137846213.jpg

http://photofile.ru/photo/semer1980/135153109/xlarge/137855099.jpg

http://photofile.ru/photo/semer1980/135153109/xlarge/137855140.jpg

http://photofile.ru/photo/semer1980/135153109/xlarge/137855148.jpg

http://photofile.ru/photo/semer1980/135153109/xlarge/137855157.jpg

More photos here:

http://toyster.ru/forum/showthread.php?t=1277

GazB
06-20-2009, 03:01 AM
1. Higher rate of fire;
2. Wider range of available ammunition;
3. Automated fire control and navigation systems;
4. Shorter minimum range;
5. Reduced combat readiness time.

Add to that more efficient trajectory in that the steeper plunging fire of a mortar results in better fragmentation patterns than a round detonating at an angle closer to horizontal.
The British got rid of their Abbots a while back, perhaps the Russians have decided to get rid of their 122mm guns in the self propelled versions. 120mm mortars on the other hand are still very useful.
152mm rounds are rather more effective than 122mm rounds against modern targets.


There is a development of the R-77 and R-73/4 in the works AFAIK.

It was revealed with Izdeliye names only.

There was a mockup of the R-74 on a pylon... will try to find it.


Come on now Gaz, really? What use is a rifle against jellyfish and octopus?

A full auto burst with a steel bar the size and shape of a knitting needle at 250m/s and of course a large amount of gas bubbles would scare away most underwater creatures.
Against something more solid like a shark such projectiles would make a real mess.

Here are those images. The first shows a mockup of the R-74 and the other shows the line drawings of the missiles with the Izdeliye numbers in brackets afterwards:

http://img14.imageshack.us/gal.php?g=302d.jpg

The line drawings are the work of Piotr Butowski and are of the "PAK-FA" missiles. I can't remember where I got it from but he did the drawings.
The photo I think came from the same source but am not sure.

calimero2
06-20-2009, 03:38 AM
anyone help me ID the truck and gun(2b16?) of this pic

GAZ-3308 "Sadko" and 2B16 "Nona-K" during the May parade in St Petersburg.

Vipidari
06-20-2009, 07:09 AM
Here are those images. The first shows a mockup of the R-74 and the other shows the line drawings of the missiles with the Izdeliye numbers in brackets afterwards:

http://img14.imageshack.us/gal.php?g=302d.jpg

The line drawings are the work of Piotr Butowski and are of the "PAK-FA" missiles. I can't remember where I got it from but he did the drawings.
The photo I think came from the same source but am not sure.

So is there no replacement for the R-77 series?

Like the Izdeliye 300 for the R-73/74 missiles?

German Army
06-20-2009, 08:38 AM
Hear some photos of Su-24. I like the plane woot

This photo was on a german news paper.
http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,108311,00.jpg

http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/spy/su24mr/su24mr-4.jpg
http://www.worldwide-military.com/Military%20Aircraft/Russian%20Fighters%20plaatjes/Groot/Su-24.JPG

XRR496
06-20-2009, 11:07 AM
Kupr :D

http://photofile.ru/photo/semer1980/135153109/xlarge/137855146.jpg
http://photofile.ru/photo/semer1980/135153109/xlarge/137855160.jpg

German Army
06-20-2009, 11:34 AM
Hear some photos from BMP-T
I had a question: What`s the caliber of the guns, 30mm ?

http://www.rusarmy.com/photo/bron0/tnk_bmpt/tnk_bmpt%20001.jpg
http://www.militaryimages.net/photopost/data/503/bmpt.jpg

smile
06-20-2009, 11:40 AM
Yeah, the calibre is 30mm. BMP-T use the standart 2A42 automatic cannon.

mannelig
06-20-2009, 11:53 AM
Thanks for the answer.
Smile you german ?

What`s the name of this BMP-2 version, or is this anyhow a russian BMP ?
I like this version it looks like future :)


BMP-2 with Berezhok turret.

smile
06-20-2009, 11:54 AM
This is a Bmp2 with new turent. Just modernisation, name is Berezhok. Search for Youtube viedos, just few pages before.

Live in Germany, but like chezky beer more.

calimero2
06-20-2009, 12:21 PM
Hear some photos from BMP-T


Sorry for being a nitpick but there is no such thing as a BMP-T. That would mean "ICV-heavy" whereas this vehicle is a tank support combat vehicle = BMPT.

xav
06-20-2009, 12:58 PM
Some Russian gear in here:
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=159448

(paris air show)
Can you please ID the picture of the MFD and translate the text?

Mr.Woland
06-20-2009, 01:34 PM
Some Russian gear in here:
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=159448
(paris air show)
Can you please ID the picture of the MFD and translate the text?
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showpost.php?p=4211992&postcount=39

xav
06-20-2009, 02:03 PM
Thanks Mr.Woland

So this is not necessarilly for a military aircraft?

Mr.Woland
06-20-2009, 02:09 PM
Thanks Mr.Woland
So this is not necessarilly for a military aircraft?
Xav, a lot of data on this MFD has special meaning, only pilot/constructor-understandable.
PS.
I'm not specialist in avionics and planes.

daduda
06-20-2009, 02:42 PM
http://i010.radikal.ru/0906/a7/7ba9bcd159e8.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)http://s56.radikal.ru/i152/0906/72/578437044109.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)
http://s61.radikal.ru/i173/0906/c8/f33cd2bc0e65.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)

daduda
06-20-2009, 02:55 PM
http://s51.radikal.ru/i132/0906/90/a254d3fabe55.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)
http://s57.radikal.ru/i157/0906/6a/f4f9c38d4aa0.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)
http://s50.radikal.ru/i128/0906/14/97c9a1f2ffbb.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)
http://s57.radikal.ru/i157/0906/4a/55dfce24b74b.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)
http://s47.radikal.ru/i117/0906/45/7e976a348fec.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)
http://s51.radikal.ru/i131/0906/e8/4348f550cdda.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)

daduda
06-20-2009, 02:57 PM
http://i079.radikal.ru/0906/7c/97ca3d74f6ea.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)

JohnnyWalker
06-20-2009, 03:07 PM
22 April 2007 Veterans of Afghanistan and Chechnya, Sverdlovsk OMON officers conducted a traditional event, observed the Orthodox Church - Myrrh-Bearer Women's Day. " The convoy of cars and two armored personnel carriers passed through the streets of Yekaterinburg, handing out counter-townswoman flowers and greeting cards. The evening was a concert singer Vicki Tsiganova, organized by JSC "Taganskiy Several." See more photos

22 апреля 2007 года Ветераны Афганистана и Чечни, сотрудники Свердловского ОМОН провели традиционное мероприятие, отмечаемое Православной Церковью - "День Жен Мироносиц". Колонна автомобилей и двух БТР проехала по улицам Екатеринбурга, раздавая встречным горожанкам цветы и поздравительные открытки. Вечером состоялся концерт певицы Вики Цыгановой, организованный ЗАО "Таганский Ряд". смотреть фото далее

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/2614/15february.th.jpg (http://img230.imageshack.us/my.php?image=15february.jpg)

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/5492/18615995.th.jpg (http://img35.imageshack.us/my.php?image=18615995.jpg)
http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/8692/43598219.th.jpg (http://img35.imageshack.us/my.php?image=43598219.jpg)
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/8692/33624260.th.jpg (http://img20.imageshack.us/my.php?image=33624260.jpg)
http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/3250/76832679.th.jpg (http://img26.imageshack.us/my.php?image=76832679.jpg)
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/8195/81243389.th.jpg (http://img25.imageshack.us/my.php?image=81243389.jpg)
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/7028/54384617.th.jpg (http://img20.imageshack.us/my.php?image=54384617.jpg)
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/7130/88635768.th.jpg (http://img25.imageshack.us/my.php?image=88635768.jpg)

evgenerous
06-20-2009, 03:56 PM
Graduates of higher educational institutions of the Ministry of Defence.
http://www.1tv.ru/newsvideo/146057

Kunal Biswas
06-20-2009, 04:55 PM
Hear some photos from BMP-T
I had a question: What`s the caliber of the guns, 30mm ?

http://www.rusarmy.com/photo/bron0/tnk_bmpt/tnk_bmpt%20001.jpg
http://www.militaryimages.net/photopost/data/503/bmpt.jpg

1. Does Anyone have specification of this BMP-T ??
2. Is its turret really stable while firing twin 30mm ??

evgenerous
06-20-2009, 05:21 PM
"The World's Best Karlson" on the roof.
http://b1.imgsrc.ru/s/shell114/9/13542639xQS.jpg

http://b1.imgsrc.ru/s/shell114/3/13542643FZF.jpg
http://b1.imgsrc.ru/s/shell114/1/13542651EPl.jpg
http://b1.imgsrc.ru/s/shell114/1/13542641xWA.jpg
http://b1.imgsrc.ru/s/shell114/6/13542646kyr.jpg
http://b1.imgsrc.ru/s/shell114/8/13542648iYM.jpg
Victory parade repetition.
all photos http://imgsrc.ru/shell114/13542639.html?#pic

GTX-Typhoon
06-20-2009, 07:45 PM
1. Does Anyone have specification of this BMP-T ??
2. Is its turret really stable while firing twin 30mm ??

1: Wikipedia it for detailed info but these are the basic specs:

T-72 Chassis.
two 30mm autocannons. prolly 2A42.
two AGS-17 Grenade launchers.
four ATGM's.
And some machineguns.
A crew of 5 to man it all.

2: From the footage i saw about it when it was firing it looked pretty stable for me.

And besides, the chassis is able to absorb the recoil of the 125mm cannon pretty easily so the autocannons are cake in that aspect.

Lesa
06-20-2009, 09:41 PM
Hello!
It is very nice to see such interest to Russian Army. I am from Russia, I am wife of Russian officer, and myself ex-officer.

On 27 of May there was an exam for getting the right to wear the Red Beret for Russian Special Forces.
http://i063.radikal.ru/0906/69/54054b0fa68d.jpg
http://i012.radikal.ru/0906/d9/cb13434d9a43.jpg
http://s45.radikal.ru/i110/0906/b9/f47bf4c26317.jpg
http://i075.radikal.ru/0906/7a/ab23fd6a0408.jpg
http://i080.radikal.ru/0906/18/613c2c24dc7b.jpg
http://s40.radikal.ru/i089/0906/8b/ef1218477034.jpg

Lesa
06-20-2009, 09:50 PM
The given examination includes a march-throw on 12 kilometres on a cross-country terrain with full regimentals in gross weight of 30-50 kg, demonstration of skills of high-rise preparation, then Hand-to-hand fight with that who has already the right of carrying of a Red beret and then applicants among themselves. This time from 222 people examination have successfully passed only 12 persons.

http://i026.radikal.ru/0906/83/2c9fb9f926e6.jpg
http://s39.radikal.ru/i085/0906/1d/9eab50a8cbfc.jpg
http://i054.radikal.ru/0906/65/62cd299fc409.jpg
http://i055.radikal.ru/0906/e1/ffb1bc7988f7.jpg
http://s41.radikal.ru/i094/0906/98/188c895f3108.jpg
http://i075.radikal.ru/0906/74/0601d142e3da.jpg
http://i068.radikal.ru/0906/0f/dec0c7f2ffc7.jpg

RomanS
06-20-2009, 09:50 PM
Lesa, welcome!
Finally , im so happy to see you here .

Guys say hello to her. Her husband is serving with Russia's elite. You've seen many of his photos I posted.

Welcome Lesa!!!! Glad to have you here

Lesa
06-20-2009, 09:56 PM
Even if the fighter has sustained a march-throw and has reached hand-to-hand fight, but its weapon has not shot (probably, has jammed), he is considered not passed examination and he is not supposed to the fight. Many of solders try to pass this examination for several times.

http://i001.radikal.ru/0906/40/e86fecb639f8.jpg
http://s45.radikal.ru/i109/0906/8f/85ffeadfe01b.jpg
http://i016.radikal.ru/0906/89/21d3928fbcb4.jpg
http://s51.radikal.ru/i131/0906/1d/3f92ec36a6d6.jpg
http://i037.radikal.ru/0906/10/62c6a4e917a3.jpg
http://i003.radikal.ru/0906/d7/1f13d4159879.jpg
http://s39.radikal.ru/i083/0906/ac/07d2c57050d1.jpg

Lesa
06-20-2009, 10:00 PM
Hello, RomanS! A hope you will understand my English. I'll try to answer some of your questions.

Lesa
06-20-2009, 10:05 PM
Some more photoes.
http://s61.radikal.ru/i174/0906/63/b121eca37334.jpg
http://s40.radikal.ru/i088/0906/7f/134f8428775b.jpg
http://s39.radikal.ru/i086/0906/b1/9f71639274c3.jpg
http://s61.radikal.ru/i174/0906/f3/a3d36982f711.jpg
http://s40.radikal.ru/i088/0906/48/166c76484eb6.jpg
http://s56.radikal.ru/i151/0906/11/cc2ebd498b07.jpg
http://s48.radikal.ru/i119/0906/bd/5d9be20ce870.jpg
http://s53.radikal.ru/i141/0906/37/6077a9d20195.jpg
http://i050.radikal.ru/0906/40/714e4be22599.jpg

Lesa
06-20-2009, 10:08 PM
http://s61.radikal.ru/i172/0906/9e/3b28bbf6d4c4.jpg
http://s50.radikal.ru/i128/0906/44/a32f3ed94845.jpg
http://s51.radikal.ru/i131/0906/9b/8db5b971b8b3.jpg
http://s51.radikal.ru/i133/0906/b5/6a215931cf49.jpg
http://s39.radikal.ru/i083/0906/c6/bfd7c9463f23.jpg
http://s56.radikal.ru/i151/0906/9f/60331aa29fe7.jpg
http://i070.radikal.ru/0906/e3/e29a40cb00ca.jpg

Majestu$
06-20-2009, 10:09 PM
Lesa, welcome!
Finally , im so happy to see you here .

Guys say hello to her. Her husband is serving with Russia's elite. You've seen many of his photos I posted.

Welcome Lesa!!!! Glad to have you here

I think i speak for the majority when i say Welcome to the forum!

What should we think of when you say Russia's Elite?;)
A name would not harm the world now would it mate?

/Majestu$

Lesa
06-20-2009, 10:12 PM
http://i080.radikal.ru/0906/a6/8c2af420eb99.jpg
http://s45.radikal.ru/i108/0906/a1/9f78ef8dd5e4.jpg
http://s49.radikal.ru/i125/0906/a3/84bd791771cd.jpg
http://s55.radikal.ru/i150/0906/dd/8b4b52ac79c3.jpg
http://s56.radikal.ru/i151/0906/7a/b0b45b0bb30d.jpg
http://i018.radikal.ru/0906/8d/da912c97dc1f.jpg
http://s52.radikal.ru/i138/0906/9d/fc9806cb2411.jpg
http://s50.radikal.ru/i128/0906/27/15f88425cb12.jpg

RomanS
06-20-2009, 10:14 PM
I think i speak for the majority when i say Welcome to the forum!

What should we think of when you say Russia's Elite?;)
A name would not harm the world now would it mate?

/Majestu$

Look at her photos. hint :)

Lesa
06-20-2009, 10:14 PM
http://s51.radikal.ru/i131/0906/33/87d1949c3919.jpg
http://s56.radikal.ru/i151/0906/00/b0969c515f31.jpg
http://s55.radikal.ru/i150/0906/98/2a70df018b66.jpg
http://s50.radikal.ru/i130/0906/58/3b45385f63f1.jpg
http://s55.radikal.ru/i147/0906/b7/a175d9c26870.jpg
http://i018.radikal.ru/0906/71/0af78e375711.jpg
http://s50.radikal.ru/i129/0906/4c/3e25896ed452.jpg

Lesa
06-20-2009, 10:18 PM
http://s56.radikal.ru/i153/0906/b3/001e6e446b4d.jpg
http://s45.radikal.ru/i108/0906/4a/10bd74429e35.jpg
http://i077.radikal.ru/0906/51/df391e2c1c92.jpg
http://s55.radikal.ru/i150/0906/33/af3e072c9fc2.jpg
http://i012.radikal.ru/0906/a5/fd300f7cedb8.jpg
http://s49.radikal.ru/i124/0906/60/d88890f09810.jpg
http://i064.radikal.ru/0906/a3/ffa74a542138.jpg
http://s52.radikal.ru/i138/0906/5b/c02ce4fd2f11.jpg
http://s45.radikal.ru/i110/0906/82/ba98744992da.jpg

Lesa
06-20-2009, 10:23 PM
The Rewarding ceremony, The Delivery of Red berets.
http://s59.radikal.ru/i166/0906/84/f55db3ae96c8.jpg
http://s57.radikal.ru/i156/0906/da/94ad1ba0a150.jpg
http://i027.radikal.ru/0906/6d/664af04f3bf8.jpg
http://s41.radikal.ru/i092/0906/2c/687e14ce5c53.jpg
http://s55.radikal.ru/i147/0906/9f/c5b810dff24f.jpg
http://s49.radikal.ru/i126/0906/8d/6063b98c2b4b.jpg
http://s55.radikal.ru/i148/0906/4d/b37557cbaf29.jpg
http://s59.radikal.ru/i166/0906/0a/53bc817027a3.jpg

Lesa
06-20-2009, 10:25 PM
http://s51.radikal.ru/i131/0906/c2/dabd7ef949b2.jpg
http://i081.radikal.ru/0906/f2/761c54b91d4f.jpg

technician
06-20-2009, 10:38 PM
wow, russia has nice army! grettings to all russian members

DIMMI
06-20-2009, 10:45 PM
Dear poster of the photos of Y. Dolgoruky,

Thanks for the photo.
I hope your time in a Siberian jail will not be too unpleasant.

:)


Wellcome!
Now we have green winter...)))

Lesa
06-20-2009, 10:50 PM
Oh, now in Moscow we have it too... :)

BoevayaSistema
06-21-2009, 12:21 AM
International naval exercises in France FRUKUS 2009

Udaloy
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BoevayaSistema
06-21-2009, 12:24 AM
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GazB
06-21-2009, 01:22 AM
So is there no replacement for the R-77 series?

The R-77 has never really entered large scale Russian service yet. It has potential left that is as yet unexplored. The R-27 series with its short and long burn rocket motor options and the seeker head options were very flexible, with IR, SARH and passive radar homing heads also supported by the special SARH seeker model for use over water for the Su-33 and the active radar homing head models. The R-77 version could offer short and long burn rocket motors plus the ramjet long range option as well with IR, IIR, and ARH options. There is also the potential for the SARH version as a cheap option too of course for targets at long range and low level over water, and of course the passive radar homing models for targets with their radars operating.
A Russian interceptor could fire 4-5 missiles all guiding at the same target and all attacking based on different guidance principles. This would give a much higher kill probability, or allow attacks in a wider range of conditions than most other airforces have the option to do.
Of course that requires aircraft that can carry a lot of missiles.


I had a question: What`s the caliber of the guns, 30mm ?

They are the 2A42 30mm guns as used in the BMP-2 and Mi-28A/N and Ka-50/-52.

Vipidari
06-21-2009, 01:49 AM
The R-77 has never really entered large scale Russian service yet. It has potential left that is as yet unexplored. .

Potentially a good explanation.

What is Izdeliye 810 then? Seems like a massive missile the size of the K-37M variants.

Are you are sure your pylon mock up pic isn't the Ukrainian Izedeliye 611 btw?

Mousepad
06-21-2009, 02:58 AM
Welcome LESA, now we have MVD insider :)

LEGEND thanx for correcting me on IL-96, guess my IIRC was not C

GazB
06-21-2009, 03:01 AM
Are you are sure your pylon mock up pic isn't the Ukrainian Izedeliye 611 btw?

Actually now that you mention it that might be the Ukrainian model.
There was supposed to be an interim model from the in service R-73M2 with thrust vector achieved by pushing material into the engine exhaust to deflect the thrust to the final R-74 missile with a gimballed rocket exhaust that actually directs the thrust. The seeker also is supposed to go from two colour seeker in M2 to a staring array seeker in the R-74 as well. Piotr did an article on it a while back and I can't remember the dates, but the full R-74 is planned for service when the PAK-FA enters service or there abouts. Upgraded older model aircraft like the Mig-29SMT if it is in service, and the Mig-31BM and Su-27BM/SM are supposed to get the new missile capability too from what I have read. This is a bit of a shift for the Russians/Soviets where missiles have been designed for roles and aircraft designed for the roles used the role specific missile. I guess the R-27/R-73 combination changed that though the R-60 and R-33 and R-40 for the Mig-31 did seperate missiles into roles with different missiles for different aircraft the Mig-31M with R-77 sort of blurred that. If they do do to the R-77 what they did to the R-27 it should be interesting. Three motor options and over half a dozen seeker head options would be quite interesting. When the target is stealthy to radar then there is a good reason to have a BVR missile that can carry an IIR seeker if you can find some way of detecting stealth aircraft at long range. Having a low frequency radar antenna in the entire leading edge of the wing of a fighter should allow it to perform that role.

BoevayaSistema
06-21-2009, 03:53 AM
Russia should get 2T Stalker with more powerful gun.

http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/5754/72440171.jpg
http://www.minotor-service.com/en/2t-stalker-combat-vehicle-reconnaissance.html

K-5
06-21-2009, 04:19 AM
Russia should get 2T Stalker with more powerful gun.
http://www.minotor-service.com/en/2t-stalker-combat-vehicle-reconnaissance.html
What for? It's got same ole 2A42 and is a foreign built vehicle. There is just as capable BMR-3 ready to be produced since 1990. Meanwhile work continues on 57mm cannon armed BMP-3/4, so, no, they should continue to invest in their own industry.

Kunal Biswas
06-21-2009, 04:42 AM
1: Wikipedia it for detailed info but these are the basic specs:

T-72 Chassis.
two 30mm autocannons. prolly 2A42.
two AGS-17 Grenade launchers.
four ATGM's.
And some machineguns.
A crew of 5 to man it all.

2: From the footage i saw about it when it was firing it looked pretty stable for me.

And besides, the chassis is able to absorb the recoil of the 125mm cannon pretty easily so the autocannons are cake in that aspect.


Thanks for the info ......

BoevayaSistema
06-21-2009, 04:53 AM
What for? It's got same ole 2A42 and is a foreign built vehicle. There is just as capable BMR-3 ready to be produced since 1990. Meanwhile work continues on 57mm cannon armed BMP-3/4, so, no, they should continue to invest in their own industry.

I see it as a BMP-2 replacement with Bahcha-u turret.
It's basically an upgraded BMP-2 that looks way f*** cool as my wallpaper prooves, after all this is a photo thread.

ayanami_tard
06-21-2009, 05:16 AM
...152mm rounds are rather more effective than 122mm rounds against modern targets.



i think comparing 152mm round with 122mm round doesn't quite right
122mm round is equivalent to western 105mm round

correct me if i'm wrong

XRR496
06-21-2009, 06:03 AM
Ensemble "Moskvichka"

http://www.moskvichki.narod.ru/photo/181.jpghttp://www.moskvichki.narod.ru/photo/194.jpg

http://www.moskvichki.narod.ru/photo/
http://www.majorettes.ru/photos.html#null (more)

AlexMartin2
06-21-2009, 06:16 AM
i think comparing 152mm round with 122mm round doesn't quite right
122mm round is equivalent to western 105mm round

correct me if i'm wrong

Well, if we compare different rounds, we must choose several important parameters for compare, for example kinetic energy, or mass of warhead or number of fragments after explosion, etc.

Usually greater caliber can have more warhead mass and more fragments, while kinetic energy could be bigger or lesser, usually bigger.

So IMHO 152 > 122 > 105.

-Julik- 4.GdKp
06-21-2009, 06:18 AM
http://zvezdanews.ru/video/0032291/?PHPSESSID=7f6bf633358f58b945a99374732a9ef3

gatkii810
06-21-2009, 06:27 AM
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GazB
06-21-2009, 06:38 AM
I see a variety of jungle camo out here :-|..... How many types of jungle camo is used by Russian army ?? .....How many types of jungle are there? :)


think comparing 152mm round with 122mm round doesn't quite right
122mm round is equivalent to western 105mm round

correct me if i'm wrongYou are quite right that the 122mm is more comparable to 105mm than 152mm.
The issue is with the improvements in protection and effectiveness of body armour and more heavily armoured vehicles. Is the lighter round (ie 122mm or 105mm) still an effective artillery round. The 2S1 is not a cheap vehicle so to justify its use its round must be still seen to be effective.
The British have already decided that their 105mm Abbot was no longer cost effective and they withdrew it in favour of more 155mm weapons.
This way they could withdraw their 105mm ammo supply as long as they had Challengers in service with 120mm guns and the older tanks with 105mm guns were withdrawn they could save money by dropping the 105mm round completely.
In the case of the Russians they could also drop the 122mm round though they have a lot of towed D-20 guns that are still very useful changing to 120mm mortars will mean less in service calibres, the vehicles with 122mm guns could be replaced with 120mm guns and given a different role (ie 120mm mortar section instead of short range tube artillery)... they can keep the in service 2S1 vehicles but drop the ammo calibre and shift them to different units for different roles. A 120mm mortar unit in 2S1 vehicles will be more expensive to operate but also more effective and much more mobile and better protected. If the vehicles themselves are already paid for the overall cost is the rebarreling to the new gun and the modification of the ammo handling equipment along with new sights etc.

Of course I might be totally wrong... the 2S1 is relatively light and mobile and might be kept for some types of operation, but eventually it will become obsolete in its current role (which it has been performing since the mid 1970s so almost 40 years) and either be withdrawn and scrapped, modified, or given to allies as gifts.


What for? It's got same ole 2A42 and is a foreign built vehicle. There is just as capable BMR-3 ready to be produced since 1990. Meanwhile work continues on 57mm cannon armed BMP-3/4, so, no, they should continue to invest in their own industry.

They were talking about producing new ammo for the S-60. It should be interesting to see what they can achieve with that round. I wonder if they will replace the 30mm with the 57mm totally? I mean the concept of the BMP-3 was that the 30mm gun of the BMP-2 was useful and the HE power of the BMP-1 was also useful so the BMP-3 combined the 30mm cannon with a 100mm rifled gun for HE power. The 2.8kg HE round of the 57mm gun can't compete with the 22kg shell of the 100mm. It is rather more powerful than the 30mm gun of course for every purpose. So will the 57mm go into half the vehicles and the rest have 100mm only or 100mm and 30mm, or will it be 100mm and 57mm? The ammo on the PT-76 modification seems to store the 57mm ammo where the BMP-3 stores the 100mm rounds.
Will be interesting to see.

Lesa
06-21-2009, 07:06 AM
I see a variety of jungle camo out here :|..... How many types of jungle camo is used by Russian army ?? .....

I can't say for all Russian Army.. I think there are a lot of types.. I can say for main types of camo for Spesial forces..
http://splav.ru/gdbimp.ashx?gid=2009-06-11+12%3a28%3a41.000150&type=2&num=1
Such uniform get all young solders.

http://s57.radikal.ru/i158/0902/f8/aad5709c9371.jpg
It is the special uniform, called "Kukla", and solders must pass the exam to get right to wear such camo. Also there is such camo in black colour.

For fighting business trip such types of camo are mainly used
"Partizan"
http://im4-tub.yandex.net/i?id=11868455&tov=4
"Gorka"
http://www.babek100.ru/img/kostum/010.jpg
But for different missions there are a lot of different types of camo. And now in Russia it is appeared so many types of it, that I even can't count them.

Ronguild
06-21-2009, 07:09 AM
What for? It's got same ole 2A42 and is a foreign built vehicle. There is just as capable BMR-3 ready to be produced since 1990. Meanwhile work continues on 57mm cannon armed BMP-3/4, so, no, they should continue to invest in their own industry.

Are you speaking of the LIGA-S 57mm system ?
A BMP-T with a S-60 derivative would be a tremendous urban killer.

Kunal Biswas
06-21-2009, 07:12 AM
I can't say for all Russian Army.. I think there are a lot of types.. I can say for main types of camo for Special forces..
http://splav.ru/gdbimp.ashx?gid=2009-06-11+12%3a28%3a41.000150&type=2&num=1
Such uniform get all young solders.

http://s57.radikal.ru/i158/0902/f8/aad5709c9371.jpg
It is the special uniform, called "Kukla", and solders must pass the exam to get right to wear such camo. Also there is such camo in black color.

For fighting business trip such types of camo are mainly used
"Partizan"
http://im4-tub.yandex.net/i?id=11868455&tov=4
"Gorka"
http://www.babek100.ru/img/kostum/010.jpg
But for different missions there are a lot of different types of camo. And now in Russia it is appeared so many types of it, that I even can't count them.


Thanks for the info !! :)

Kunal Biswas
06-21-2009, 07:16 AM
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Lesa
06-21-2009, 07:27 AM
How many types of jungle are there?:)

It is the secret information.. :):):)

Seriously... Our country is large with very different types of landscapes...

evgenerous
06-21-2009, 07:41 AM
The Donskoi Monastery in Moscow.
It was very surprising.
http://b0.imgsrc.ru/t/tand/3/13366703ONm.jpg
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(Sorry for quality - shooted with phone)
(http://www.muar.ru/eng/about/donskoi1.htm)

Lesa
06-21-2009, 08:13 AM
The Victory in that awful War 1941-1945 was possible only with God's help. So the 9-th of May, the Day of our Victory is the most sacred holiday in our country. Even young people understand and honour this day. On this day they give flowers to veterans and thanks them for this victory, for our future. And we remember about this war and this victory not only in May, but every day of our life, that is why in every, even small town and village, we have memorials. And flowers on it are always fresh...

Even on weddind day we have tradition to go to memorial of Unknown Solder with flowers and say thanks to God and this unknown solder for present day...we have...

Figurant
06-21-2009, 09:24 AM
I can't say for all Russian Army.. I think there are a lot of types.. I can say for main types of camo for Spesial forces..
Such uniform get all young solders.
...
It is the special uniform, called "Kukla", and solders must pass the exam to get right to wear such camo. Also there is such camo in black colour.
...For fighting business trip such types of camo are mainly used
"Partizan"..."Gorka"

That's not information, that's desinformation :)
First of all, the "red berets" and the like are NOT Russian ARMY, they are Ministry of Interior (MVD), Internal Troops (VV MVD).
2nd: Disregarding uniform and dress regulations is what the MVD and all its branches (from the OMON to the Internal Troops special groups) do best, and this concerns all ranks. All MVD and VV MVD guys especially like the pseudo-DPM pattern (what you called "Kukla"), the "Partisan" flecktarn-style is favourised by "special forces" or whoever thinks he's special :fork:. Of course, these are all non-standard, unauthorised uniforms (Gorka being the exception) and of course, no special exam is required to wear them (that doesn 't preclude the possible existance of such "exams" in some places where the commander has nothing better to do than to invent local "traditions" that have nothing to do with logic, training and discipline - the same applies to the way the red beret came to life by the way - but I'll shut up here, because someone's going to kill me :) ).

MVD uniform discipline is very close to the dress code of a banana republic whorehouse, and till it won't change, people will continue to wonder about all these "nice" "uniform" "patterns" found in the Russian "army".

The Russian Army, as it is, lacks of uniform discipline too, but it's nothing compared to the MVD guys. As for the Russian Army itself, the only authorised pattern is the new Flora, and its variations. Special combat dresses for mountain and cold conditions, for example, are the exception. The new digital pattern might or might not be officialised and put into mass production, but that doesn't concern the "red beret" cheerleaders.

Figurant
06-21-2009, 09:55 AM
one more uniform regulation fan here rofl
I'm not a particular uniform regulation fan at all.
I'm a fan of articulated, fact-based and accurate information.
Besides, I'm also a fan of practicality.

For example, I don't get why OMON has to wear camo uniforms in cities, and especially a blatantly inefficient pattern at that.

I don't get why a dress element (beret) has to be "awarded" for training/competition achievement.

I don't get why the VV MVD thinks that the British DPM pattern is a) efficient in 80% of Russian territory b) cool c) inherently signifies the wearer is a Russian military serviceman.

I don't get why wearing USMC para wings is considered acceptable by some VV MVD troopers who haven't even performed a single jump.

I don't get why the so-called "spetsnaz VV" still wears inofficial and antiquated unit patches when they have regular ones.

And I don't like when a troop who calls itself "elite" doesn't give a damn about uniformity, regulations and needs to compensate some psychological complex by indulging into wearing anything that they think is "trendy" and consider themselves to be worth be called "elite" after that while looking like a rag-tag bunch of airsofters on the loose.

And I don't get how someone can be fan of anything military and disregard regulations.

Lesa
06-21-2009, 09:56 AM
It is very interesting whence at you such "deep" knowledge,about the Russian uniform??? Are you the big expert in this question?
I have told at once that about army entirely I can not tell. I spoke particularly for special troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and people in this forum understood me.
About the special uniform. First, there are internal documents in division which regulate its carrying and examination on getting the right of wearing it.
Certainly, we have not so a lawful coutry, and nobody will go to court, to prove that the person wears this uniform not by right... Simply... I will try to explain it in English... mmm... The given person will be beaten... And he will not have any desire any more to wear the uniform not by right.

Figurant
06-21-2009, 10:04 AM
It is very interesting whence at you such "deep" knowledge,about the Russian uniform??? Are you the big expert in this question?
Well, in a sense I am ;) At least I've worn a couple of these uniforms out ;) And yes, uniformology is something I'm a bit knowledgable about.


I have told at once that about army entirely I can not tell. I spoke particularly for special troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and people in this forum understood me.Then write this and not "army" next time. And you wrote "...uniform for the Special Forces".
Don't take it personally, it's a very complex subject and modern Russia is the least regulated and clear field of study in this respect :)


First, there are internal documents in division which regulate its carrying and examination on getting the right of wearing it.There are official regulation on the ministry level who regulate everything down. If a commander decides not to abide by the rules, it's his responsibility. The problem of the MVD is that no one is giving a damn.
Besides, I've always known that the collective... mind, or whatever, of the VV top brass is very, hmm, let's say original, but introducing special tests and exams for the "right" to wear a certain uniform is simply... beyond the pale. Even in Africa they haven't thought about that... We're back to the 18th century at least...


The given person will be beaten... And he will not have any desire any more to wear the uniform not by right.Yeah. Great.
So in the VV, you would probably be beaten if you wear the regular uniform woot
Again, there are very real, very official regulations, in the MoD, in the MVD, in the FSB etc.
Try and find any kind of official document (that is not by itself a violation) that sets the DPM, for example, as an acceptable uniform pattern.
Besides, it's just plain stupid.

Lesa
06-21-2009, 10:19 AM
Taking into account the financing allocated for a uniform in our country... The Homogeneous uniform - not an indicator of efficiency of fighting division. The Special troops - it remain elite fighting unit and without the form at all...

About a red beret, I think, to you will not be able understand it owing to a mentality difference. For our fighters it is a sacred subject. Colours of their blood and the blood of their lost companions and it is equated to the award but guys appreciate it more because it is given not only to person? who passed the examination on the right of its carrying, but also for fighting wounds, as a beret of my husband.


So in the VV, you would probably be beaten if you wear the regular uniform
http://splav.ru/gdbimp.ashx?gid=2009-06-11+12%3a28%3a41.000150&type=2&num=1

Thi is the regular uniform, and "Kukla" is special uniform.

Figurant
06-21-2009, 10:28 AM
About a red beret, I think, to you will not be able understand it owing to a mentality difference.
An IP is one thing - it actually doesn't say anything ;) Mentality is another - and don't worry, mine is perfectly in line :)


For our fighters it is a sacred subject...
Listen, I know it very well. I know several krapoviki, and I know what their worth is. My remark was only about the historical fact how this whole beret tradition emerged.


it is given not only to person? who passed the examination on the right of its carrying, but also for fighting wounds, as a beret of my husband.
With all due respect, you and your husband certainly must understand that this is actually quite a terrible thing. The State has to give orders, medals, compensation, or at least wound *****es to the WIA. Giving the krapovy beret for fighting wounds, or combat experience (as was also extensively done, even to OMON members) is very disturbing and unfitting.
And this has actually changed: this year, a new order from the MVD drastically restrains the beret to be worn only by those who pass the test, the test itself has been expanded and the beret will not be offered anymore as a kind of "ersatz-medal" to those who deserve more than that.

GTX-Typhoon
06-21-2009, 10:33 AM
Meanwhile work continues on 57mm cannon armed BMP-3/4, so, no, they should continue to invest in their own industry.

Say WHAT!!? A BMP with a 57mm autocannon in the works!? 57mm+115mm cannon would be BMP-4 heavy IFV/light tank.

German Army
06-21-2009, 10:36 AM
Hear some photos from BTR-80

http://lazerbrody.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/11/21/btr80.jpg
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/btr-80-color.jpg
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/btr80/images/btr1.jpg


Is that an BTR-80 or BTR-70 and is that anyhow russia ?
http://www.murdoconline.net/pics/btr80slat2.jpg

Figurant
06-21-2009, 10:36 AM
Soooooooooo tough guy, i'm really scared.
*BTW, don't you know who grammar nazy is?
I just fail to see the point. Someone gives some info, someone other corrects/amends it. That's why a forum is for. If you think it's extreme, it's your problem. And being Russian, someone associating me with the n-word, even if it's an "acceptable" expression in another context, it kind of irks me, you know. OK, forget it and be friends.

jaybe
06-21-2009, 10:37 AM
Is that an BTR-80 or BTR-70 and is that anyhow russia ?
http://www.murdoconline.net/pics/btr80slat2.jpg

Russia for sure

Lesa
06-21-2009, 10:40 AM
There are official regulation on the ministry level who regulate everything down. If a commander decides not to abide by the rules, it's his responsibility. The problem of the MVD is that no one is giving a damn.
Besides, I've always known that the collective... mind, or whatever, of the VV top brass is very, hmm, let's say original, but introducing special tests and exams for the "right" to wear a certain uniform is simply... beyond the pale. Even in Africa they haven't thought about that... We're back to the 18th century at least...

You know nothing about legislation functioning in our country. Unfortunately, in practice, the main laws at us are local, internal laws. And only by long trials in court, proofs of that one laws contradict another, it is possible to address to the law on level above.

In our country nobody is engaged in it. There was no case that the person, beaten that not by right has dressed a beret or a uniform has addressed in court. In our country private laws which are not written down anywhere but are observed by everybody are very strong.

Kunal Biswas
06-21-2009, 10:44 AM
Say WHAT!!? A BMP with a 57mm autocannon in the works!? 57mm+115mm cannon would be BMP-4 heavy IFV/light tank.


Strange :roll: ?? If you have a 57mm on a IFV why you would need a 115mm, It would be same as a T-72 against poor infantry ...... Anyways Russia is going to phase out T-62 and 64...... Producing old 115mm ammunition with 100mm ( BMP-3) with 125mm is another headache..... Anyways BMP-3 and BMP-T are formidable IFV except its BMP-3`s armour thickness ...... Why Russia need another heavy IFV ??....

medo
06-21-2009, 10:47 AM
Are you speaking of the LIGA-S 57mm system ?
A BMP-T with a S-60 derivative would be a tremendous urban killer.

I don't think it is smart to put bigger cal. gun with slow rate of fire on BMPT. Why not put 125 mm gun and get another T-90? The task of BMPT is to support tanks, who have big guns and to fight with infantry. For this role twin 30 mm automatic guns are perfect, because of their high rate of fire (together around 1000 rounds/min). AA guns with high rate of fire are very deadly for infantry and BMPT is heavy armored AA gun, so the army will not need to expose high value air defense systems like Tunguska or Pantsir to fight with infantry.

sup_tech
06-21-2009, 10:56 AM
They learn hand-to-hand combat in the US Marine Corp., don't they? And this are not even Russian Armed Forces soldiers but rather troops of the Minister of the Internal Affairs.

piton_kaa
06-21-2009, 11:01 AM
You have to be physically fit to accomplish combat missions. H2h fighting is the way not only to fit your body but the way to rise your psychologic readiness and tolerance, your stress tolerance. But IRL you'll seldomly need it besides protecting you girl on way home after late film show (c) our fitness instructor in military school

Hast2
06-21-2009, 11:01 AM
Russian Elite Forces pay a lot of attention to the physical strength of the soldier, including hand to hand combat ablity, and pain tolerance. Is their attention on physical stregth too mcuh or just right in the 21st centure theater? I have a divided mind on this.

As i understand it, these guys have already some kind of special training(spetcnaz, VDV, ect) and there they're tested for determination, really. After that they'll receive "regular" training of this particular beret unit.

AlexMartin2
06-21-2009, 11:16 AM
As i understand it, these guys have already some kind of special training(spetcnaz, VDV, ect) and there they're tested for determination, really. After that they'll receive "regular" training of this particular beret unit.

Exactly, determination is the right word. As krapovie berets explained themselves, the purpose of the exam is to show that real spetsnaz never quit. Tired or injured, they must complete the mission. And I think such exam is very good for its purpose.

Universals
06-21-2009, 11:54 AM
They learn hand-to-hand combat in the US Marine Corp., don't they? And this are not even Russian Armed Forces soldiers but rather troops of the Minister of the Internal Affairs.

Hey am not trying to make any comparison; I just asked a question. dunno why u sound offended. There is no doubt that Russian Elite and are the tuffest mentally and physically. I was just asking how much is too much?.


Hast2
As i understand it, these guys have already some kind of special training(spetcnaz, VDV, ect) and there they're tested for determination, really. After that they'll receive "regular" training of this particular beret unit.

Thanks for your answer. That makes a lot of sense.

dzhaga-dzhaga
06-21-2009, 12:08 PM
I'm not a particular uniform regulation fan at all.
I'm a fan of articulated, fact-based and accurate information.
Besides, I'm also a fan of practicality.

For example, I don't get why OMON has to wear camo uniforms in cities, and especially a blatantly inefficient pattern at that.

I don't get why a dress element (beret) has to be "awarded" for training/competition achievement.

I don't get why the VV MVD thinks that the British DPM pattern is a) efficient in 80% of Russian territory b) cool c) inherently signifies the wearer is a Russian military serviceman.

I don't get why wearing USMC para wings is considered acceptable by some VV MVD troopers who haven't even performed a single jump.

I don't get why the so-called "spetsnaz VV" still wears inofficial and antiquated unit patches when they have regular ones.

And I don't like when a troop who calls itself "elite" doesn't give a damn about uniformity, regulations and needs to compensate some psychological complex by indulging into wearing anything that they think is "trendy" and consider themselves to be worth be called "elite" after that while looking like a rag-tag bunch of airsofters on the loose.

And I don't get how someone can be fan of anything military and disregard regulations.

as i see conciseness is not you quality

i don't care... i saw a lot of regulation fans and uniform know-all here for several years, you seem one of those

this is pictures thread, please post pictures.

and besides, i didn't get how the fact that you wrote about regulations violation helped to change the situation? Are you Serdyukov or Nurgaliev to change the situation? Just bla-bla-bla.


Nothing personal, such "posts" as you wrote, just only trolling the thread

Dark Avenger
06-21-2009, 12:32 PM
It's the Super Hind Mk III, upgraded by the South African company ATE. Used by Algeria.

smile
06-21-2009, 12:34 PM
This is superhind modification of the mi24.
Here some photo of this heli http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=76915 .

dzhaga-dzhaga
06-21-2009, 12:36 PM
First photos from yesterday 128-th graduation of Ryazan Airborne troops academy RVVDKU. The full report as always -later and in hi-res


http://i.flamber.ru/files/st1/1211922554/1245598411_o.jpg


Official ceremony of lieutenants graduation in Ryazan High Airborne Military academy (RVVDKU).
The banner of academy, formation of personnel and graduating officers.
June 20-th, 2009, Ryazan, Russia.






http://i.flamber.ru/files/st2/1211922554/1245598413_o.jpg


Official ceremony of lieutenants graduation in Ryazan High Airborne Military academy (RVVDKU).
Commander-in-Chief of Russian Airborne troops (VDV) lieutenant general Vladimir Shamanov presents the certificate of degree to the graduationg officer
June 20-th, 2009, Ryazan, Russia.







http://i.flamber.ru/files/st1/1211922554/1245598410_o.jpg


Official ceremony of lieutenants graduation in Ryazan High Airborne Military academy (RVVDKU).
The ceremony of farewell to the banner of Airborne academy.
June 20-th, 2009, Ryazan, Russia.








http://i.flamber.ru/files/st2/1211922554/1245598409_o.jpg


Official ceremony of lieutenants graduation in Ryazan High Airborne Military academy (RVVDKU).
Marching
June 20-th, 2009, Ryazan, Russia.






http://i.flamber.ru/files/st2/1211922554/1245598404_o.jpg


Official ceremony of lieutenants graduation in Ryazan High Airborne Military academy (RVVDKU).
Ryazan Airborne academy Honour Guards company show
June 20-th, 2009, Ryazan, Russia.






http://i.flamber.ru/files/st2/1211922554/1245598403_o.jpg

http://i.flamber.ru/files/st2/1211922554/1245598401_o.jpg

http://i.flamber.ru/files/st2/1211922554/1245598395_o.jpg

http://i.flamber.ru/files/st1/1211922554/1245598394_o.jpg


Official ceremony of lieutenants graduation in Ryazan High Airborne Military academy (RVVDKU).
Demonstration of hand-to-hand and knife fight (pokazuha)
June 20-th, 2009, Ryazan, Russia.






http://i.flamber.ru/files/st1/1211922554/1245598392_o.jpg


Official ceremony of lieutenants graduation in Ryazan High Airborne Military academy (RVVDKU).
Group photo of graduating officers, VDV Commander-in-Chief and Airborne academy commander
June 20-th, 2009, Ryazan, Russia.






http://i.flamber.ru/files/st1/1211922554/1245598686_o.jpg


Official ceremony of lieutenants graduation in Ryazan High Airborne Military academy (RVVDKU).
Group photo of graduating officer with first female cadets in Airborne troops
June 20-th, 2009, Ryazan, Russia.

Zhur
06-21-2009, 01:01 PM
First photos from yesterday 128-th graduation of Ryazan Airborne troops academy RVVDKU.

http://i.flamber.ru/files/st1/1211922554/1245598394_o.jpg



Captured georgian quad?...

sup_tech
06-21-2009, 01:10 PM
Yeah, all two of them. God forbid Russians buy something of their own.

piton_kaa
06-21-2009, 01:14 PM
Аnd a guy wearing t-shirt with "Georgia" label =\

DIMMI
06-21-2009, 01:19 PM
Can somebody please tell me which mi24 that is? It looks so unbelievable evil!

It's Mi-24AP (Adobe Photoshop mod.)

No Photoshop? Abaldet'...

JohnnyWalker
06-21-2009, 01:27 PM
It's Mi-24AP (Adobe Photoshop mod.)

No Photoshop? Abaldet'...

LOL AP mod.

dzhaga-dzhaga
06-21-2009, 01:28 PM
Captured georgian quad?...


Yeah, all two of them. God forbid Russians buy something of their own.


Аnd a guy wearing t-shirt with "Georgia" label =\

The Pokazuha scenario was the following:
Georgian check-point, two georgian soldiers patrolling on bikes, russians capture the bikes and moving to the point, Mi-8 flyes and shot, fast assault, capture or kill the georgians, back to home, hoooooooray :)


rofl remindes me something

German Army
06-21-2009, 01:39 PM
Russia for sure

And is that an BTR-80 or BTR-70, i found this picture under BTR-80 but i´m not sure.

zg18
06-21-2009, 01:42 PM
Russian Elite Forces pay a lot of attention to the physical strength of the soldier, including hand to hand combat ablity, and pain tolerance. Is their attention on physical stregth too mcuh or just right in the 21st centure theater? I have a divided mind on this.

You never trained martial arts sports? Physical practice does have large impact on health , mental strength & stability and overall self-confidence, all things required for modern professional soldier on the battlefield.

JohnnyWalker
06-21-2009, 01:52 PM
man... they put on good shows. Do you make videos too?

Xaito
06-21-2009, 04:39 PM
good video material of Stechkin's automatic pistol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k50k8C8TFJc

GTX-Typhoon
06-21-2009, 04:49 PM
Strange :roll: ?? If you have a 57mm on a IFV why you would need a 115mm

A combo like the 30/100 on the BMP-3(M)

It would add significant power to the shots and makes it easier to totaly destroy enemy vehicles like upgraded/armoured MRAP's/IFV's.


It would be same as a T-72 against poor infantry

Oh boohoo for the enemy rofl. Why would you need to worry about the enemy?


Producing old 115mm ammunition with 100mm ( BMP-3) with 125mm is another headache

Then phase out the 100mm munition to replace it with the 115mm.


Anyways BMP-3 and BMP-T are formidable IFV except its BMP-3`s armour thickness

That is true but the armour flaws in the BMP-3's design can be changed in the BMP-4's


Why Russia need another heavy IFV?

To phase out the BMP-3 since its armour and weaponment are starting to get a bit dated.

JohnnyWalker
06-21-2009, 04:50 PM
good video material of Stechkin's automatic pistol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k50k8C8TFJc

sweet! thanks

jaybe
06-21-2009, 05:29 PM
a littlebit of family history

father 1968

http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1209716/father.jpg

angola end of 70's

http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1209716/father2.jpg

http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1209716/father3.jpg

JohnnyWalker
06-21-2009, 05:41 PM
your family? Your dad looks alot like my grandfather

jaybe
06-21-2009, 05:43 PM
your family? Your dad looks alot like my grandfather

Hungarians in your blood? :)

piton_kaa
06-21-2009, 05:54 PM
a littlebit of family history
angola end of 70's

Great pics, jaybe.

Landing craft (БДК) "Alexandr Shabalin", Baltic Fleet?
So the last one maybe mid 80s?

jaybe
06-21-2009, 05:58 PM
Great pics, jaybe.

Landing craft (БДК) "Alexandr Shabalin", Baltic Fleet?
So the last one maybe mid 80s?

yeh second one is "Krasnaya Presnya" oldest one. Third should be 80's but still tropical uniform

JohnnyWalker
06-21-2009, 05:59 PM
Hungarians in your blood? :)

well... maybe. I have Polish, Rumanian, Moldovian, Russian, Ukrainian, that I know for sure. So yeah maybe.

jaybe
06-21-2009, 06:03 PM
well... maybe. I have Polish, Rumanian, Moldovian, Russian, Ukrainian, that I know for sure. So yeah maybe.

My father is from Moldavia - from Unguryany, village settled mostly by Hungarians, so maybe we are relatives :)

jaybe
06-21-2009, 06:10 PM
22 june 1941

http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/3604/babs71.4d/0_dc80_162d0975_orig

http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/3605/babs71.4d/0_dc81_8afcff4f_orig

http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/3602/babs71.4e/0_dc84_29f9acda_orig

http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/babs71/album/36350?p=0

piton_kaa
06-21-2009, 06:23 PM
yeh second one is "Krasnaya Presnya" oldest one. Third should be 80's but still tropical uniform
Respect to soviet NAVY officer! Great life!

xav
06-21-2009, 06:26 PM
Строительство нового эсминца для ВМФ России начнется не позднее 2012 года
Construction of the new destroyers for the Navy Russia will begin no later than 2012
Moscow. June 19. INTERFAX.RU - The new destroyer for the Navy, Russia plans to lay down no later than 2012, said head Russian Navy Admiral Vladimir Vysotsky.

"It would be more functional, more serious ship than standing today armed destroyer Project 956" - Vladimir Vysotsky told journalists on Friday in Arkhangelsk. According to him, the construction of the ship will begin no later than 2012. "

http://www.interfax.ru/society/news.asp?id=85998

Will it be like this: ?
http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/6933/21956last2520variantsc7.jpg

DarthJesus
06-21-2009, 06:31 PM
a littlebit of family history

http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1209716/father2.jpg



Looks like your father's comrade is about to shoot him for wearing those shorts.

jaybe
06-21-2009, 06:33 PM
Looks like your father's comrade is about to shoot him for wearing those shorts.

fashion is fashion rofl

Lesa
06-21-2009, 06:38 PM
Here some more video, but I don't know how put it in forum.

http://**********/tracks/207709.html?v=60bb4b31264c5bd3b72e22dc8699b3c4

http://**********/tracks/1077624.html?v=352e8f5d8d8d0d24ef794dce0ab12a30

Kunal Biswas
06-21-2009, 06:38 PM
A combo like the 30/100 on the BMP-3(M)

It would add significant power to the shots and makes it easier to totaly destroy enemy vehicles like upgraded/armoured MRAP's/IFV's.



Oh boohoo for the enemy rofl. Why would you need to worry about the enemy?



Then phase out the 100mm munition to replace it with the 115mm.



That is true but the armour flaws in the BMP-3's design can be changed in the BMP-4's



To phase out the BMP-3 since its armour and weaponment are starting to get a bit dated.


Thanks for info !! Anyways..... Isn't its difficult for Russia mech inf to change vehicles on regular interval...... means training , Repairing , parts etc....

R4ND0M
06-21-2009, 06:43 PM
http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/6933/21956last2520variantsc7.jpg
Dont tell me it doesnt run on nuclear fuel :S
You gonna spoil the environment, it just started to get used to your decaying waste.

Hilbert
06-21-2009, 06:43 PM
Lesa thank you for the awesome photos and videos!

asch
06-21-2009, 06:47 PM
Dont tell me it doesnt run on nuclear fuel :S
You gonna spoil the environment, it just started to get used to your decaying waste.


it's not some tree-huggers discussion thread, "Strictly Photos & Videos" section.

K-5
06-21-2009, 07:03 PM
Dont tell me it doesnt run on nuclear fuel :S
You gonna spoil the environment, it just started to get used to your decaying waste.
Exactly opposite of reality. Russian containment waste management practices are on par and in some aspects above the standards imposed by, say, US Energy Dept. Russia doesn't fancy some two hundred bases around the globe where it can just refuel with fossil derived fuel 24/7.

SandBagger
06-21-2009, 07:04 PM
sorry slightly off topic but anybody know where i can get mockbas? online maybe (tried ebay no luck)

JohnnyWalker
06-21-2009, 07:19 PM
My father is from Moldavia - from Unguryany, village settled mostly by Hungarians, so maybe we are relatives :)

hahaha, maybe. I can't even say where my family is from in Moldavia or Rumania, we have no records from that side.

JohnnyWalker
06-21-2009, 07:20 PM
sorry slightly off topic but anybody know where i can get mockbas? online maybe (tried ebay no luck)

what the hell is mockbas?

Lesa
06-21-2009, 07:35 PM
Here some more video, but I don't know how put it in forum.

http://**********/tracks/207709.html?v=60bb4b31264c5bd3b72e22dc8699b3c4

http://**********/tracks/1077624.html?v=352e8f5d8d8d0d24ef794dce0ab12a30

In the last video year 2006 you can see our hero Sercov Dmitriy. He passed this exam for 3 times. He was very good fellow. His father is a general. He was killed in 2007.
http://vimpelpress.ucoz.ru/030307/Serkov.jpg

http://vimpelpress.ucoz.ru/030307/Serkov.jpg it is the list of heroes.
http://dimaserkov-club.ucoz.ru it is the club of his memory.

RomanS
06-21-2009, 07:40 PM
In the last video year 2006 you can see our hero Sercov Dmitriy. He passed this exam for 3 times. He was very good fellow. His father is a general. He was killed in 2007.
http://vimpelpress.ucoz.ru/030307/Serkov.jpg

http://vimpelpress.ucoz.ru/030307/Serkov.jpg it is the list of heroes.
http://dimaserkov-club.ucoz.ru it is the club of his memory.

Rest in Peace brother!

We will never forget you!!!

dzhaga-dzhaga
06-21-2009, 07:44 PM
what the hell is mockbas?
+1

also very interesting to know

Lesa
06-21-2009, 08:03 PM
Sorry, there was a mistake. The list of heroes - http://osn.bkb-vityaz.ru/heroes.php

intelligenzija
06-21-2009, 08:07 PM
thank you for the interesting links

JohnnyWalker
06-21-2009, 08:25 PM
Sorry, there was a mistake. The list of heroes - http://osn.bkb-vityaz.ru/heroes.php

I have had this link bookmarked for a while. It's good to know your heros

K-5
06-22-2009, 04:54 AM
new russian artillery vehicle, not new but modernisation of 2s1

http://i023.radikal.ru/0906/09/95f126d26024.jpg

more http://litnik.in.ua/content/view/476/99/
More details about the upgrade package. Apart from muzzle break, cannon appears to be the same as in Vena SPG
http://i2.guns.ru/forums/icons/forum_pictures/000253/253485.jpg

BoevayaSistema
06-22-2009, 05:46 AM
Victor II
http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/2561/273256.jpg
http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/7500/282342.jpg

BoevayaSistema
06-22-2009, 05:47 AM
Typhoon
http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/3003/653939.jpg
http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/5595/653947.jpg

BoevayaSistema
06-22-2009, 05:48 AM
Delta IV
http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/1430/delta4.jpg
Oscar
http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/8514/oscarclass.jpg

Douros81
06-22-2009, 05:49 AM
http://i.flamber.ru/files/st1/1211922554/1245598394_o.jpg

It looks like Can Am ATV, those are not cheap. I know its not a Yamaha.

dorinne wong
06-22-2009, 06:18 AM
great
can you upload another great russian training exercise?

Zmey
06-22-2009, 08:10 AM
It looks like Can Am ATV, those are not cheap. I know its not a Yamaha.

Oh no, those arent cheap at all.... those were FREE.

Courtesy of our Georgian friends and partners.

Morboute
06-22-2009, 08:22 AM
http://i.flamber.ru/files/st1/1211922554/1245598394_o.jpg

It looks like Can Am ATV, those are not cheap. I know its not a Yamaha.

all they need now is some old style plate armor, shield, lance and they can start massed ATV cavalry charges. p-)

Kunal Biswas
06-22-2009, 08:43 AM
http://i.flamber.ru/files/st1/1211922554/1245598394_o.jpg

It looks like Can Am ATV, those are not cheap. I know its not a Yamaha.

Russian cowboy !! .. Anyways is that a real Georgian he is sitting on ??

German Army
06-22-2009, 09:09 AM
a littlebit of family history







http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1209716/father2.jpg




On the right site of this picture, the man had a Sa-18 Grouse ?

jaybe
06-22-2009, 09:41 AM
On the right site of this picture, the man had a Sa-18 Grouse ?

It's common practice to have Iglas and RPGs on deck all the time

So it's not an end of 70's but something like 1983

Mousepad
06-22-2009, 09:42 AM
22 of June Never Again!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAs75EsAgMc&feature=related

kosse
06-22-2009, 09:58 AM
Finnish-German attack along the Finnish border did not start on May 22nd but nearly a week later.

dzhaga-dzhaga
06-22-2009, 10:01 AM
The photo report from ceremony of lieutenants graduation in Ryazan High Airborne Military academy (RVVDKU). It was 128-th graduation from that academy. June 20-th, 2009.



Full Part 1 - official ceremony, presenting the certificate of degree and etc.: http://vitalykuzmin.net/?q=node/204




Formation of graduating officers

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Commander-in-Chief of VDV lieutenant general Vladimir Shamanov presents the certificate of degree to the graduationg officer

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The ceremony of farewell to The Banner of RVVDKU

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Placing flowers to the monument in the memory of fallen heroes

http://i.flamber.ru/files/st2/1211922554/1245612377_g.jpg

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March past

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Foreign cadets are marching according their regulations

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According to the tradition all units should march with parade song

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Paratroopers opened the demonstration/show part of the ceremony

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Honour Guards company show

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128-th graduation

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First female cadets in russian military academies were taken to RVVDKU

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Group photo of graduating officers, VDV Commander-in-Chief and academy commander

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Mr.Woland
06-22-2009, 10:21 AM
Finnish-German attack along the Finnish border did not start on May 22nd but nearly a week later.
21.06.41 Finland land a troops on demilitarized Åland Islands and captured a staff of USSR consulate.
In the evening finish subs placed a mine fields near Estonia's seaboard.
22.06.41 group of finish saboteurs was exterminated when they attempted to blow up a lock of White-Baltic sea canal.

piton_kaa
06-22-2009, 10:33 AM
http://i.flamber.ru/files/st2/1211922554/1245611680_g.jpg

http://i.flamber.ru/files/st1/1211922554/1245611750_g.jpg

http://i.flamber.ru/files/st1/1211922554/1245611693_g.jpg

http://i.flamber.ru/files/st2/1211922554/1245611669_g.jpg

Is it new VDV shoulder patches? Or only VDV parade pathces? Or MoD patches?

*and wearing different patches on same sleeves by different kadets is kinda RVVDKU stylishness?*

kosse
06-22-2009, 10:45 AM
21.06.41 Finland land a troops on demilitarized Åland Islands and captured a staff of USSR consulate.
In the evening finish subs placed a mine fields near Estonia's seaboard.

I believe that "Operation Kilpapurjehdus" commenced on 22nd of May. Nevertheless, the Finns had banned the German troops from crossing the border until 25th of May. The actual attack commenced only on 29th of May because the concentration of German units took more time than was anticipated. In that sense the animation in the beginning of the movie is wrong. It's also wrong in the way it depicts that the 2nd World War in the North begun as a Finnish aggression. It began already in 30.11. 1939 with aggression that would have looked very different on the same map.

Mr.Woland
06-22-2009, 10:56 AM
In that sense the animation in the beginning of the movie is wrong.
You didn't understand point of this animation.
It shows areas of force concentration and sector of attack to USSR.
Scrolling from north is only effect for comfort viewing.

It began already in 30.11. 1939 with aggression that would have looked very different on the same map.
How about 1918 and 1921 ?

medo
06-22-2009, 11:28 AM
On the right site of this picture, the man had a Sa-18 Grouse ?

This is older Strela-3 (SAM-14).

Jippo
06-22-2009, 11:32 AM
It shows areas of force concentration and sector of attack to USSR.


Or to occupied part of Finland?



How about 1918 and 1921 ?

1808?

This discussion is pointless...

JohnnyWalker
06-22-2009, 11:35 AM
Russian cowboy !! .. Anyways is that a real Georgian he is sitting on ??

yes, yes he is. You see in Russia we like to go to agencies that offer stereotypical actors and hire them for VDV shows. hahaha. :)

kosse
06-22-2009, 11:46 AM
How about 1918 and 1921 ?

If you are referring to private military expeditions to initiate a mutiny against Bolshevists in ethnic Finnish areas near the Finnish border I must point out that those ventures never had government approval. Besides, those differences were settled long before the Winter war. There is absolutely no justification to what happened in 1939.

sepheronx
06-22-2009, 12:14 PM
when will Russia service UCAV's and global surveillance UAV's?

Mr.Woland
06-22-2009, 12:37 PM
If you are referring to private military expeditions to initiate a mutiny against Bolshevists in ethnic Finnish areas near the Finnish border I must point out that those ventures never had government approval.
WHAT?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heimosodat | http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Первая_советско-финская_война
Finland cut from USSR a number of territories.
Finland attack first without declaration of war.

Second http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet–Finnish_conflict_1921–1922_and_East_Karelian_Uprising Finland make a provoke to verify a USSR defence.
You remind me a female teenager which are pregnant on 7th month, but tels her mother that she isn't because she isn't married yet.

There is absolutely no justification to what happened in 1939.
The man is ill and his neighbour using man ill-being robber his house and take some property and capture part of his garden.
Then man become getting well his neighbour attempted in second time, but get some thrashing from man.
Then man finaly become healthy he said to neighbour that he must return his property and pay some compensation. Man get property and compensation.
Finaly neighbour unite with neighbour from other street side to finaly rob the man's house.

Jippo
06-22-2009, 12:48 PM
You might want to have the argument in PM. It is retarded and OT.

dzhaga-dzhaga
06-22-2009, 12:57 PM
Is it new VDV shoulder patches? Or only VDV parade pathces? Or MoD patches?

*and wearing different patches on same sleeves by different kadets is kinda RVVDKU stylishness?*

Shamanov has new VDV patch and i think MoD Command patch

only the cadets in Honour Guard unit wear the patches that way. to show the both patches when they are standing in the line

check this picture, from both sides spectators can idenify troops and unit
http://i.flamber.ru/files/st2/1211922554/1245612930_g.jpg

Figurant
06-22-2009, 12:59 PM
Is it new VDV shoulder patches? Or only VDV parade pathces? Or MoD patches?
It's the new-not-yet-officialised patches that come with the new-not-yet-officialised Yudashkin uniforms and are about to replace the "old" round patches (according to rumours, some top brass in the Gen. Staff didn't like the "saucerplate" look of the round ones).
The follow the same logic though: one side for the arms branch patch (Air force, VDV, RVSN, Navy etc.), the other for the unit patch (MoD directorate, high command, military district, division, military institute etc.). The branch patch is a double-headed eagle that has different features according to the branch, and is on different colour backgrounds/surrounded by different colour circles/outlines depending on the branch. The background colors also changed, while the outer colour line remains the same. The new branch patches (shield-like patches) are supposed to have a different shape (shield type) according to the unit level (high command, division, brigade, school etc.).

The problem is that while the "old" (round) branch patches were typically worn on the right sleeve while the unit patch was worn on the left sleeve, it is not yet clear what way the new (shield) patches have to be worn (probably the other way round, and parade uniforms might have another system, partly because of special "Moscow parade" rules :cantbeli:). Add to that the fact that not all got the "new" patches for both sleeves etc., and you get the tex mex you see on the pictures.

piton_kaa
06-22-2009, 01:31 PM
Shamanov has new VDV patch and i think MoD Command patch
Aga, thanks, dzhaga.


only the cadets in Honour Guard unit wear the patches that way. to show the both patches when they are standing in the line
Aga, so that just Honour Guard.


............
*remembering myself take the oath and later graduating*
yep, still the same uniforms-patches-emblems-tabs clutter=))

kosse
06-22-2009, 01:35 PM
WHAT?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heimosodat | http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Первая_советско-финская_война (http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%82%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE-%D1%84%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B9%D0%BD%D0%B0)
Finland cut from USSR a number of territories.
Finland attack first without declaration of war.

Second http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet–Finnish_conflict_1921–1922_and_East_Karelian_Uprising (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet%E2%80%93Finnish_conflict_1921%E2%80%931922_and_East_Karelian_Uprising) Finland make a provoke to verify a USSR defence.
You remind me a female teenager which are pregnant on 7th month, but tels her mother that she isn't because she isn't married yet.

First of all, cut the insults. Secondly, take time to actually read the links that you provided.

In addition, could you tell me what these "number of territories" stolen from USSR were? I'm afraid Wikipedia doesn't provide answers to that (might that be because no territory was stolen :roll:). As far as I know Finnish government didn't gain any new territories in the Treaty of Tartu except for Petsamo that was already promised to Grand Duchy of Finland in 1864 in exchange for an area in Karelian Isthmus. Treaty of Tartu mostly just confirmed the old borders and ended the theoretical state of war between the two countries that had existed since the Finnish Civil war.

I'm not going to bother answering the rest of your nearly incomprehensible tirade since it would only invite a flamewar.

dzhaga-dzhaga
06-22-2009, 01:46 PM
Aga, thanks, dzhaga.


Aga, so that just Honour Guard.



At least i didn't see the other cadets with such thigs :)

i've just met my frind from RVVDKU, he said it was connected with this year parade regulations

Timmy!
06-22-2009, 04:43 PM
Guys, I have kinda vague pic request..

I remember not so long ago someone have posted a photo of a Russian plane, that was noted in the skies near some city, and, if I remeber correctly, it had somesort of laser mounted on it? or something?
That is, I really remember that poster of that photo said something along the lines "Who needs spies when you have Internet?"..

I know this sounds quite retarded, but still, maybe someone's able to help me out?

User_Name
06-22-2009, 04:50 PM
Well, well.. Look what has been photographed a couple of days ago..

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/5201/attachmentwps.jpg

As i wrote earlier - who needs spies when we have internet? p-)
here...
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Timmy!
06-22-2009, 04:53 PM
Spasibo! :hug:

cbiwv
06-22-2009, 06:30 PM
I'm a ex 101st air assualt guy and I'll say these guys look both sharp and tough as nails.

Xaito
06-22-2009, 06:42 PM
thanks for the awesome pics dzhaga-dzhaga!
Good to see Georgian hardware put to a good use instead of rotting in some museum :D

TakeIt
06-22-2009, 07:42 PM
Just look at that hunch, that nose.. Really peculiar ship.. p-)

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/120/88946696.jpg

K-5
06-22-2009, 07:47 PM
http://i.flamber.ru/files/st2/1211922554/1245615851_g.jpg

2250x1500 (http://i.flamber.ru/files/st2/1211922554/1245615851_o.jpg)
That looks like a pair of legs and a hand laying next to those cellophane garbage bags:roll:

JohnnyWalker
06-22-2009, 07:59 PM
That looks like a pair of legs and a hand laying next to those cellophane garbage bags:roll:

Thats a sniper making sure no Georgians attack the city during a ceremony

JohnnyWalker
06-22-2009, 08:07 PM
By the way Vitaly, that photo is my new wallpaper!!

Thanks!!!!!

(Not Safe For Work) (unless you look really quickly)
http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/6144/yeahf.jpg

SandBagger
06-22-2009, 08:14 PM
what the hell is mockbas?

apologies i no its not as impressive as some of these pics but the spetsnaz are sometimes seen wearing them theyre cheap adidas

JohnnyWalker
06-22-2009, 08:25 PM
apologies i no its not as impressive as some of these pics but the spetsnaz are sometimes seen wearing them theyre cheap adidas

ohhhh I have never heard of them. Even searching Russian engines doesn't bring up anything

SandBagger
06-22-2009, 08:30 PM
ohhhh I have never heard of them. Even searching Russian engines doesn't bring up anything
yeah it was only here on this thread , ebay and a forum on soviet army stuff ive heard bout them

btw they werent being sold on ebay

JohnnyWalker
06-22-2009, 08:58 PM
sorry have to post this

Police just standing while a motorcyclist does a wheelie on St. patricks day.

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/8499/236454978299f3f5eb2do50.jpg

K-5
06-22-2009, 10:34 PM
sorry have to post this

Police just standing while a motorcyclist does a wheelie on St. patricks day.


Poor choice of motorcycle for this kind of stuffp-)

apologies i no its not as impressive as some of these pics but the spetsnaz are sometimes seen wearing them theyre cheap adidas
I believe SU had license to produce Adidas' Sambas, the original blue with white *****s ones, only.
Strangely enough, some photos reveal soviet troops wearing Puma Clydes! Lend-Lease?
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b204/jake19drunkpunk/411spetsnazdetachmentDaulatabadFara.jpg

Anton_ua
06-23-2009, 12:09 AM
sorry have to post this

Police just standing while a motorcyclist does a wheelie on St. patricks day.

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/8499/236454978299f3f5eb2do50.jpg

you have nice gallery photo i see! but and this photo?

http://profile.imageshack.us/user/jo...ecw5616766.jpg (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/johnnywalker1/images/detail/#5/normal26ecw5616766.jpg)

DIMMI
06-23-2009, 12:12 AM
Poor choice of motorcycle for this kind of stuffp-)

I believe SU had license to produce Adidas' Sambas, the original blue with white *****s ones, only.
Strangely enough, some photos reveal soviet troops wearing Puma Clydes! Lend-Lease?
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b204/jake19drunkpunk/411spetsnazdetachmentDaulatabadFara.jpg


No lend-lease. I think it's "toulkouchka"... soviets people non official market (as I remember 100 or more roubles for this Pumas)

K-5
06-23-2009, 12:18 AM
No lend-lease. I think it's "toulkouchka"... soviets people non official market (as I remember 100 or more roubles for this Pumas)
100 rubbles for pair of sneakers?? My grandfather made 170 a month working at Volgograd shipyard plus premiums.:bash:

DIMMI
06-23-2009, 12:42 AM
100 rubbles for pair of sneakers?? My grandfather made 170 a month working at Volgograd shipyard plus premiums.:bash:

yes... and my mother and father (worked in tomsk state university) had 150-170 per month... but prices on "toulkouchka" were from 100 and more for any things (as I remember jogging shoes from 100 to 300, jeans - from 100 and more... vinyl music disk with Deep Purple for example - 30-100 roubles)

Mousepad
06-23-2009, 01:02 AM
100 rubbles for pair of sneakers?? My grandfather made 170 a month working at Volgograd shipyard plus premiums.:bash:

I don't think this one bought them in SU, more like in Afganistan, troops in "Contingent" were paid with "Checks" roughly = $ so he could buy things back in Afganistan from locals (more like barter - medicine, fuel, were in big demand), or cash cheks back in USSR in "Beryozka" shops (traiding only in hard currency), things, that regular soviet citizen rarely seen - such as western or japanese electronics, clothes (jeans, sneakers, US cigaretes, etc). In my school there was many kids from officers familys, lot of them "Afgantsy" so we had no problem watching VHS (rarity in 80-s) and OMFG **** (quite weird btw). Strange Empire USSR was - "In Soviet Russia, living in Metropoly Sucks"

samourai
06-23-2009, 01:38 AM
the designation is SR 3 M

K-5
06-23-2009, 01:38 AM
this is so embarassing



every 3rd world army in the world does this sideshow crap, eating glass, breaking boards wiht their heads, carny type stuff. What does it actually do to increase their combat effectiveness? nothing.

When I see this I think of crap armies like Pakistan, they love doing this sideshow stuff instead of actually practicing strategy, SEAR, integrating technology on battalion level, etc, things that would actually make a unit more effective.

Its just that I never see any capable, modern armies like US, Israel, French, etc, doing this sideshow crap.

and whats the deal with the guy wearing a georgian flag? please..
True, but this is to show their physical fitness level, something Gen. Margelov demanded from all his troops. Would be weird if they showed off tactical skills in front of a crowd of people, mostly their girlfriends, families and locals. Well, all to all, an ugly word 'pokazukha' pretty much summarizes ugliness and awkwardness of the show.

planeman
06-23-2009, 01:49 AM
this is so embarassing

http://i.flamber.ru/files/st2/1211922554/1245615438_g.jpg

every 3rd world army in the world does this sideshow crap, eating glass, breaking boards wiht their heads, carny type stuff. What does it actually do to increase their combat effectiveness? nothing.

When I see this I think of crap armies like Pakistan, they love doing this sideshow stuff instead of actually practicing strategy, SEAR, integrating technology on battalion level, etc, things that would actually make a unit more effective.

Its just that I never see any capable, modern armies like US, Israel, French, etc, doing this sideshow crap.

and whats the deal with the guy wearing a georgian flag? please..
I agree with your opinion but sadly not your view that "capable" armies don't do this type of antics. Royal Marine commandos - tough guys yes, choreographed moves.. um yes,.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkV_50UBYbg

GazB
06-23-2009, 03:09 AM
I don't get why wearing USMC para wings is considered acceptable by some VV MVD troopers who haven't even performed a single jump.

Yes, because the USMC was formed before there were any para units in Russia or the Soviet Union so they own all para wing badges... :roll:


For example, I don't get why OMON has to wear camo uniforms in cities, and especially a blatantly inefficient pattern at that.

I have never had any problems seeing US troops in their chocolate chip desert camo... but lets blame US troops because the uniform they are made to wear is not effective... :roll:


I don't get why a dress element (beret) has to be "awarded" for training/competition achievement.

They are competing to win a position within the unit. The beret represents the unit. It makes sense to award them with a symbol of the unit they are competing to join.


And I don't like when a troop who calls itself "elite" doesn't give a damn about uniformity, regulations and needs to compensate some psychological complex by indulging into wearing anything that they think is "trendy" and consider themselves to be worth be called "elite" after that while looking like a rag-tag bunch of airsofters on the loose.

Have you read the uniform regulations of the units in question?
Can you post them here?

I have lots of photos of Soviet special forces personel from Afghanistan and they are wearing what they want and carrying the weapons they want. I don't see why such flexibility should not extend to camouflage type.


And I don't get how someone can be fan of anything military and disregard regulations.

What are their regulations... please post them here.


Don't take it personally, it's a very complex subject and modern Russia is the least regulated and clear field of study in this respect

So they don't have these regulations you are complaining they are not following... doesn't it make sense they are not following regulations they don't have?


The problem of the MVD is that no one is giving a damn.

Of all their problems I doubt getting the right look before they go out is their most urgent.


Strange :roll: ?? If you have a 57mm on a IFV why you would need a 115mm,
Think he meant 100mm rifled gun as used in the BMP-3.


I don't think it is smart to put bigger cal. gun with slow rate of fire on BMPT.

Person who mentioned the 57mm gun said it was for the BMPs not the BMPT. It is a potential long term replacement for the 30mm cannon.
The S-60 was a pretty good AAG, so on a BMP with sophisticated aiming equipment it might make targetting helos out to 5-6km possible.

BTW the two in service air defence vehicles in Russia are the ZSU-23-4 (4,000 rpm) and the 2S6M (5,000 rpm). If rate of fire was important to the BMPT then replacing the two 2A42 cannon with a single 2A38M would increase the rate of fire from about 600rpm at the low rate setting and 1,000 rpm at the high rate setting for the 2 x 2A42s to 2,500 rpm for a single 2A38M.
The focus is obviously not rate of fire.


A combo like the 30/100 on the BMP-3(M)

It would add significant power to the shots and makes it easier to totaly destroy enemy vehicles like upgraded/armoured MRAP's/IFV's.

Agree. The 100mm rounds would be for use against unarmoured targets with HE rounds or helos or MBTs at long range with missiles and the 57mm gun will handle pretty much any lighter armour and even MBT from the side with newer ammo.


Then phase out the 100mm munition to replace it with the 115mm.

The 115mm is inferior to the 125mm. The 100mm of the BMP-3 should be kept.


On the right site of this picture, the man had a Sa-18 Grouse ?

Yes... I noticed that too.

piton_kaa
06-23-2009, 03:29 AM
Strangely enough, some photos reveal soviet troops wearing Puma Clydes! Lend-Lease?
Pakistan\Astan made.

dzhaga-dzhaga
06-23-2009, 04:38 AM
this is so embarassing

every 3rd world army in the world does this sideshow crap, eating glass, breaking boards wiht their heads, carny type stuff. What does it actually do to increase their combat effectiveness? nothing.

When I see this I think of crap armies like Pakistan, they love doing this sideshow stuff instead of actually practicing strategy, SEAR, integrating technology on battalion level, etc, things that would actually make a unit more effective.

Its just that I never see any capable, modern armies like US, Israel, French, etc, doing this sideshow crap.

and whats the deal with the guy wearing a georgian flag? please..

just for the people like you i wrote this in my post


for people like to ask silly questions - this is show, we clearly undertsand that some skills are absolutely useless on the battlefield. they are showing them to visitors' entertainment.

please be attentive next time :)

many of the 3-rd world armies took this thigs from us.

modern armies rofl maybe they just can't do that.

US rofl whole state is younger then russian naval infantry

Israel... for how many years it exists? army traditions?!

Stonewall71
06-23-2009, 08:02 AM
Yesterday I saw on EURONEWS images of a military celebration in Moscow, does anyone havep ics of that?

Lesa
06-23-2009, 08:46 AM
Military-patriotic forum on the Red Square
http://www.samoz.ru/newsimg/_MG_0015.jpg

http://www.1tv.ru/news/sport/146077 - video
http://zvezdanews.ru/video/day_events/0032341/ - video

Difool
06-23-2009, 09:20 AM
Hi, is this gun a SR-3 modified version or AS VAL without a silencer? Any official designation for this weapon?
I just love the Vikhr!!!:)

GTX-Typhoon
06-23-2009, 09:23 AM
Think he meant 100mm rifled gun as used in the BMP-3.

I did not mean the 100 but the 115mm cannon in a combo with the 57mm autocannon. So the 115/57 combo replaces the 100/30 combo.

The 57 rips through newer IFV's/MRAP's/APC's or even parts on a MBT and the 115 Kills MBT's, fires ATGM's and such things.


The 115mm is inferior to the 125mm. The 100mm of the BMP-3 should be kept.

1: Indeed, 115mm is inferior to the 125mm.

2: The 115 needs to replace the 100 to accomodate bigger warheads and to launch bigger ATGM's.

For the rest, BMP/BMD serie's should get a new design with vastly improved armour and far better electronics. Also it should get a RWS.

void
06-23-2009, 09:59 AM
I did not mean the 100 but the 115mm cannon in a combo with the 57mm autocannon. So the 115/57 combo replaces the 100/30 combo.

The 57 rips through newer IFV's/MRAP's/APC's or even parts on a MBT and the 115 Kills MBT's, fires ATGM's and such things.



1: Indeed, 115mm is inferior to the 125mm.

2: The 115 needs to replace the 100 to accomodate bigger warheads and to launch bigger ATGM's.

For the rest, BMP/BMD serie's should get a new design with vastly improved armour and far better electronics. Also it should get a RWS.

The 100mm gun on the BMP-3 is a medium pressure gun, the 115mm as seen on say the T-62 is a high pressure gun. Chassis or gun would have to be modified to make them compatible. The recoil length on the 115mm would be quite severe, making the maximum elevation possible much less than with a medium pressure 100mm. This would reduce the range of indirect fire.
There are always tradeoff. Dont assume that just because 115 is a bigger number than 100 that it would automatically be better.

Many of the armour limitation of the BMD/BMP are due to weight. BMD has to be air drappable, BMP has to be amphibious. Now, I think there should be a variety of integrated add on armour packages available, for when neither air-drop or amphibious capabilities are needed, but the base vehicle mass will still be restricted by those two requirements.

medo
06-23-2009, 11:06 AM
BTW the two in service air defence vehicles in Russia are the ZSU-23-4 (4,000 rpm) and the 2S6M (5,000 rpm). If rate of fire was important to the BMPT then replacing the two 2A42 cannon with a single 2A38M would increase the rate of fire from about 600rpm at the low rate setting and 1,000 rpm at the high rate setting for the 2 x 2A42s to 2,500 rpm for a single 2A38M.
The focus is obviously not rate of fire.

I agree with you, that putting 2A38M on BMPT could give higher rate of fire. I think 2 × 2A42 guns is more compromise between high rate of fire and limited quantity of ammo for guns and is more on level of ZU-23. Against infantry you sometimes need longer fire and with very high rate of fire (4000 rpm) you will quite quickly run out of ammo. Against infantry 1000 rpm is still quite effective.

piton_kaa
06-23-2009, 11:17 AM
The regulations about the dress and uniform code concerning all military servicemen (i.e. including the VV, Ministry of Emergency situations, FSB etc.) are all outlined in the 2005 Presidential order about this matter (with amendations).
Actually, according to that very President's order, all ministries and organisations having military service work out their own regulations concerning uniforms wearing, parade, field and everyday dress, signs, patches and all stuff like that.
The order itsels outlines the general principles.

Figurant
06-23-2009, 11:34 AM
The order itsels outlines the general principles.
Quite actual, and not just general, I would say, including the color of ties, the type of hats etc. ;)
And does not delegate regulations to other ministries/services, it delegates the manufacturing (порядок изготовления).
Of course, all up-to-bottom regulation have to conform to the aforementioned regulations.
The problem is that they were changed and amended and revised many times, and every ministry/service tries to issue its own regulations.
But you'll never find any regulation about some "exams" for the wearing of some "special" camo, or authorising the wearing of non-national camo/badges, or condoning non-official badges. Never.

Kunal Biswas
06-23-2009, 11:42 AM
I did not mean the 100 but the 115mm cannon in a combo with the 57mm autocannon. So the 115/57 combo replaces the 100/30 combo.

The 57 rips through newer IFV's/MRAP's/APC's or even parts on a MBT and the 115 Kills MBT's, fires ATGM's and such things.



1: Indeed, 115mm is inferior to the 125mm.

2: The 115 needs to replace the 100 to accomodate bigger warheads and to launch bigger ATGM's.

For the rest, BMP/BMD serie's should get a new design with vastly improved armour and far better electronics. Also it should get a RWS.


Why not to use a medium pressure 125mm with a 57mm auto cannon.... It takes the same time to reload a 115mm or 125mm..... The IFV you are taking about it is same size and weight of a T-72 , t-80 and t-90.....

Constantin
06-23-2009, 11:50 AM
this is so embarassing

http://i.flamber.ru/files/st2/1211922554/1245615438_g.jpg

every 3rd world army in the world does this sideshow crap, eating glass, breaking boards wiht their heads, carny type stuff. What does it actually do to increase their combat effectiveness? nothing.

When I see this I think of crap armies like Pakistan, they love doing this sideshow stuff instead of actually practicing strategy, SEAR, integrating technology on battalion level, etc, things that would actually make a unit more effective.

Its just that I never see any capable, modern armies like US, Israel, French, etc, doing this sideshow crap.

and whats the deal with the guy wearing a georgian flag? please..
Why so serious? :roll:

piton_kaa
06-23-2009, 11:53 AM
<OFF TOPIC>

And does not delegate regulations to other ministries/services, it delegates the manufacturing (порядок изготовления).

Actually it does. (section 3)


а также правила ношения военной формы одежды, знаков различия военнослужащих, ведомственных знаков отличия и иных военно-геральдических знаков определяются соответствующим федеральным органом исполнительной власти, в котором федеральным законом предусмотрена военная служба

*regulations for uniform wearing, badges of rank, agency's badges and other geraldic badges assigned by agency*

Lurk FSB 2008' uniforms order for example


The problem is that they were changed and amended and revised many times, and every ministry/service tries to issue its own regulations.
But you'll never find any regulation about some "exams" for the wearing of some "special" camo, or authorising the wearing of non-national camo/badges, or condoning non-official badges. Never.
IIRC, orders concerning berets and other qualifications are ussued by heads of commads (e.g. VV Commander) and by regiment or brigade commanders. And it's kinda official by fact of it's existence (kinda tradition became a law)
And there's no national or non-national camo. There's just "field dress of camo pattern";)
Badges and other furniture is designed by agency (or by department of it - look FSB regulations for example) - like Geraldic departmetn of MoD.
</ OFF TOPIC>

Lesa
06-23-2009, 01:13 PM
Here are the official documents about Red beret (unfortunately, in Russian language) Who really wants to know about it - can translate it, using translator.. - http://osn.bkb-vityaz.ru/beret.php

Zane Zackerly
06-23-2009, 01:20 PM
Lesa--thanks for the great material!

Years ago someone posted pics of red beret training and the soldiers' AK74's were literally covered in sand and mud.

I don't suppose you have some photos like this, do you?

Thanks.

Mousepad
06-23-2009, 01:52 PM
Here are the official documents about Red beret (unfortunately, in Russian language) Who really wants to know about it - can translate it, using translator.. - http://osn.bkb-vityaz.ru/beret.php

I have a technical question for you LESA. How come graduates for maroon beret get big-ass "blin" berets and instructors all have "pirozhok" (small ones)? is it the same as our airborne dudes, that they keep they ugly one as memento, and buy themselves a new one that fits?

JohnnyWalker
06-23-2009, 02:10 PM
ugly? tahh your picky

Mousepad
06-23-2009, 02:16 PM
ugly? tahh your picky

http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m377/mousepad_2008/1241005442_1.jpg

Left - "blin" (ugly) Right "pirozhok" (ninja)

piton_kaa
06-23-2009, 02:27 PM
Sewing (ушивка) and moulding (формовка)

Lesa
06-23-2009, 03:27 PM
I have a technical question for you LESA. How come graduates for maroon beret get big-ass "blin" berets and instructors all have "pirozhok" (small ones)? is it the same as our airborne dudes, that they keep they ugly one as memento, and buy themselves a new one that fits?

The beret received after examination is typical - army from a warehouse. After delivery, it is sewn up, washed, given the form, dries in the special way and becomes such, as at others. There are those who buys a new beret. When the beret becomes old - it varies on new and takes a worthy place on a regiment at home.

gatkii810
06-23-2009, 04:54 PM
here a few fotok of the Caspian monster and roller is about him!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSaAvl3egwg

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Alef
06-23-2009, 06:11 PM
Tired submarine
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uh8fYmWizVk

Lesa
06-23-2009, 07:09 PM
Lesa--thanks for the great material!

Years ago someone posted pics of red beret training and the soldiers' AK74's were literally covered in sand and mud.

I don't suppose you have some photos like this, do you?

Thanks.

Look, please, on page 1307-1308 of this forum.:)

Zane Zackerly
06-23-2009, 07:40 PM
Look, please, on page 1307-1308 of this forum.:)

Yes, thank you. I saw those. Those pics made me think of the ones I'm talking about.

The ones I remember were larger sized pics and one showed a rack of AK74's as if the men had just stacked them in a wheelbarrow or something. I remember several pics of the rifles simply encrusted in mud, sand and gunk. I'm betting they are pics that Roman took at one time.

I saw them posted to a thread at AK47.net several years ago, but they have been removed.

Lesa
06-23-2009, 07:55 PM
I really can't remember them. I have too many photos for many years. Many of them RomanS has. I lost part of them, when my computer was broken. That is why it is difficult for me to remember concrete photos.

sepheronx
06-23-2009, 10:48 PM
For radio communication and communication in general for the armed forces, what does Russia have or expecting to use in the future? Do they use just regular analog radio's for the soldiers?

Bulletproof
06-23-2009, 11:46 PM
Nah, satellite phones from the journalists. p-)

GazB
06-24-2009, 04:36 AM
I did not mean the 100 but the 115mm cannon in a combo with the 57mm autocannon. So the 115/57 combo replaces the 100/30 combo.

The 57 rips through newer IFV's/MRAP's/APC's or even parts on a MBT and the 115 Kills MBT's, fires ATGM's and such things.

Are you talking about a new 115mm or the 115mm on the T-62?
It doesn't really matter because either would have to be high velocity weapon like the T-62s main gun which would mean a much larger and heavier turret and a much larger and heavier vehicle.
There is no need for the BMP-5 or whatever it is to carry a large calibre heavy gun. It will be operating with tanks that will carry that sort of weapon anyway.
The 57mm gun is to replace the 30mm gun because targets are getting harder.
The 100mm rifled gun on the BMP-3 is used for its HE power and so it really doesn't need to be upgraded as it is still pretty effective in that role.


The 115 needs to replace the 100 to accomodate bigger warheads and to launch bigger ATGM's.

The purpose of the ATGM on the BMP were for self defence only. Developing a diving top attack 100mm ATGM would make rather more sense than increasing the calibre because the main round of the 100mm rifle gun of the BMP-3 seems perfectly adequate as it is and for the forseeable future.


Do the French CRS wear blue urban camo? Do SWAT operatives indulge in fancy dressing?

Do either of those units ask people on the internet what they can or cannot wear?


It would indeed make sense if it was so, but the beret doesn't represent the unit, otherwise anyone who would join it would get it. It represents a certain achievement, and no army in the world (except in Congo and Angola perhaps) rewards an intra-unit achievement with a dress element.

So they have their own culture. So what?


Why not to use a medium pressure 125mm with a 57mm auto cannon.... It takes the same time to reload a 115mm or 125mm..... The IFV you are taking about it is same size and weight of a T-72 , t-80 and t-90.....

Because the medium pressure 100mm is already in service, already doing the job required, and already has an array of ammo developed for it also in service and production.
The only advantage of a larger calibre would be wider missiles which for HEAT rounds means better armour penetration, but the 750mm penetration of the missile the BMP-3 fires is already pretty good. Making it fire and forget and top attack would be more useful improvements.

void
06-24-2009, 05:28 AM
one imaginable upgrade path in the future would be to directly swap out the 100mm on the BMP3 and replace it with the 120mm as used on the Vena (since its a med pressure gun too). But thats probably not worth it for the foreseeable future.

Kunal Biswas
06-24-2009, 06:27 AM
What is Russian view about future IFVs ........ Lighter and faster or heavely armed !!

pride
06-24-2009, 06:31 AM
Originally Posted by RomanS http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif Lesa, welcome!
Finally , im so happy to see you here .

Guys say hello to her. Her husband is serving with Russia's elite. You've seen many of his photos I posted.

Welcome Lesa!!!! Glad to have you here


i'm late but....welcome Lesa, nice to meet you!

best wishes to you and your husband


Emanuele, Italy

void
06-24-2009, 07:21 AM
What is Russian view about future IFVs ........ Lighter and faster or heavely armed !!

I think that the primary IFV will always be amphibious, Russia places a lot of emphasis on tactical and strategic maneuverability, and given the likely conflict areas for Russia, rivers will have to be dealt with.

Ideally you would have a modular IFV, which has the option for integrated add on armour, for situations/areas where amphibious capability is not needed, but this might be too expensive/difficult.

Leo1
06-24-2009, 07:58 AM
every 3rd world army in the world does this sideshow crap, eating glass, breaking boards wiht their heads, carny type stuff. What does it actually do to increase their combat effectiveness? nothing.

Increased esprit de corps, camaraderie, and unit cohesion spring immediately to mind.

Though I'm really not aware of the number of "3rd world armies" that do this kind of thing.

Finarvas
06-24-2009, 08:04 AM
L
Years ago someone posted pics of red beret training and the soldiers' AK74's were literally covered in sand and mud.

I don't suppose you have some photos like this, do you?


This competition is held every year, Bratishka magazine has some photos from the other years. http://www.bratishka.ru

Mousepad
06-24-2009, 08:20 AM
Lesa--thanks for the great material!

Years ago someone posted pics of red beret training and the soldiers' AK74's were literally covered in sand and mud.

I don't suppose you have some photos like this, do you?

Thanks.

http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m377/mousepad_2008/1241005449_4.jpg

http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m377/mousepad_2008/1241005478_7.jpg

http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m377/mousepad_2008/1241005506_16.jpg

http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m377/mousepad_2008/1241005458_3.jpg

will do?

Hyde
06-24-2009, 09:12 AM
Nice camo.

a1tra
06-24-2009, 02:33 PM
On the right site of this picture, the man had a Sa-18 Grouse ?

http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1209716/father2.jpg

SA-14 Gremlin (9К34 "Стрела-3")

Zane Zackerly
06-24-2009, 02:42 PM
http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m377/mousepad_2008/1241005449_4.jpg

http://i333.photobucket.com/albums/m377/mousepad_2008/1241005478_7.jpg




will do?


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Petrusha
06-24-2009, 05:04 PM
http://play.killerfrog.com/p9a6l0k10o/Weaponology-Spetsnaz-Part-1-.html

Very interesting documentary about Spetsnaz

Interviews with former and active Spetsnaz soldiers, weapon testing, "rukopashni boy", red beret training, history and much more.. enjoy. p-)



To watch part 2 3 4 5, just search for "Weaponology Spetsnaz" in the right upper corner and the parts will be listed for you

SandBagger
06-24-2009, 06:50 PM
http://play.killerfrog.com/p9a6l0k10o/Weaponology-Spetsnaz-Part-1-.html

Very interesting documentary about Spetsnaz

Interviews with former and active Spetsnaz soldiers, weapon testing, "rukopashni boy", red beret training, history and much more.. enjoy. p-)



To watch part 2 3 4 5, just search for "Weaponology Spetsnaz" in the right upper corner and the parts will be listed for you
pretty cool ,two questions

1. is the new vss sniper rifle good?, because it uses a SMG platform and is silent

2. if anybody here trained in systema, is it actually real ? because watching it i really think theres some enemy participation needed

Universals
06-24-2009, 07:47 PM
http://play.killerfrog.com/p9a6l0k10o/Weaponology-Spetsnaz-Part-1-.html

Very interesting documentary about Spetsnaz

Interviews with former and active Spetsnaz soldiers, weapon testing, "rukopashni boy", red beret training, history and much more.. enjoy. p-)



To watch part 2 3 4 5, just search for "Weaponology Spetsnaz" in the right upper corner and the parts will be listed for you

Shallow IMO. I don't know much about the spetsnaz but these guys don't know either. They just repeated the general knowledge stuff over and over. And that sonny guy? is he really Russian?

Petrusha
06-24-2009, 07:58 PM
Shallow IMO. I don't know much about the spetsnaz but these guys don't know either. They just repeated the general knowledge stuff over and over. And that sonny guy? is he really Russian?

I think hes from the Baltic states or something. Saw another program with him, he spoke fluid Russian without any strange accents. But who knows :roll:

Universals
06-24-2009, 08:04 PM
I think hes from the Baltic states or something. Saw another program with him, he spoke fluid Russian without any strange accents. But who knows :roll:

Liked the weapons part though. at least, I found out why they switched to smaller caliber for AK74

SandBagger
06-24-2009, 08:06 PM
can anyone answer my questions bout vss and systema?

edi213009
06-24-2009, 08:06 PM
I think hes from the Baltic states or something. Saw another program with him, he spoke fluid Russian without any strange accents. But who knows :roll:

Sonny is from Kaunas,Lithuania if im not wrong.He says he used to be in the MVD spetsnaz so probably Sobr or Vityaz,russian friends maybe can tell more.He was also in the Deadliest warrior Spetsnaz vs Green Beret with a former Naval spetsnaz operative.
As for systema it seems to me to be very commercial than real life.
Some videos of Kadochnikov look cool but i think that the real thing in russian army is SAMBO

Petrusha
06-24-2009, 08:16 PM
Liked the weapons part though. at least, I found out why they switched to smaller caliber for AK74

Yeah! at least something new! :)

I did not know about Spetsnaz operations in the Spanish civil war, though i did know that the Soviet government did help the Spanish Communist, but i thought it only was with equipment and voluntary fighters.
:|

Petrusha
06-24-2009, 08:18 PM
can anyone answer my questions bout vss and systema?

Vss vintorez, i dont know much about that weapon but i do know that it has a range of 400 meters. And can be used as a assault rifle sometimes (?). But for snipers for long range, i think they definitely prefer SVD Dragunov.

Alef
06-24-2009, 08:36 PM
Vss vintorez, i dont know much about that weapon but i do know that it has a range of 400 meters. And can be used as a assault rifle sometimes (?). But for snipers for long range, i think they definitely prefer SVD Dragunov.
Or SV 98 its more sniper weapon than SVD.

SandBagger
06-24-2009, 08:39 PM
yeah a bolt action makes more sense

TheArmenian
06-24-2009, 08:49 PM
VSS is very much liked and respected. Being chambered for the 9 x39 round and having an integrated silencer, it is not a long range sniper rifle for the army (like the SVD). It is more for special forces and special operatons.

The 9 x 39 round itself is heavy hitting with lots of stoping power and it also armour piercing. But, the heavy round is ballistically not ideal for long range use. Its most effective range is within 300 m.

TheArmenian
06-24-2009, 09:02 PM
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/9159/attachmentxdq.jpg

So much for all the erroneous information (or disinformation) the YURY DOLGORUKY has only 12 tubes.

The 16 tubes for BULAVA missiles are clearly visible on the above photo.

GazB
06-24-2009, 09:06 PM
one imaginable upgrade path in the future would be to directly swap out the 100mm on the BMP3 and replace it with the 120mm as used on the Vena (since its a med pressure gun too). But thats probably not worth it for the foreseeable future.

They need to evaluate whether the 100mm can continue to do the job. According to my figures the rounds for the 2S9 Vena include a HEAT round, a HE FRAG round and a HE FRAG rocket assisted round. The weight and range of each round is 13.2kg and 40-1000m, 19.8kg and 1,000-8,850m, and 19.8kg and 7,000-13,000m respectively.
The thing is that I don't think IFV will be looking for and engaging targets at 13km range on most terrain types.
For the 100mm gun I haven't got the numbers handy but from memory the 4km range rounds weighed about 15kgs and the 7km range weapons weighed just over 20kgs.
In both cases the low velocity means steep diving trajectory which results in a nice uniform circular fragmentation pattern.
Just looking at the weights I doubt the 120mm mortar model would be that much more powerful regarding HE power and the extra range is not really that important considering the role of the troop transport.
The real issue is that with a large 57mm gun will they need a mix of auto cannon and large calibre HE vehicles like they had with mixed BMP-1 and BMP-2 units. In that case will we see a vehicle with 57mm gun only and a vehicle with say 30mm and 100mm in similar numbers to offer the required options.
Remember these vehicles will normally operate with tanks but a tanks main gun doesn't have sufficient elevation for many tasks while the 100mm gun does.


What is Russian view about future IFVs ........ Lighter and faster or heavely armed !!

I am not Russian, but in the past they have gone generally for the heaviest design that will float. If they drop the amphibious requirement or have their infantry carriers cross rivers the way their tanks do then the armour level might increase dramatically. Would be a good use for all those spare tanks.

zg18
06-24-2009, 09:11 PM
http://www.en.rian.ru/mlitary_news/20090624/155338463.html

- new "Gorshkov" class frigate will be laid down in 2009
- possible purchase of foreign made vessels for Russian navy

sepheronx
06-24-2009, 09:44 PM
http://www.en.rian.ru/mlitary_news/20090624/155338463.html

- new "Gorshkov" class frigate will be laid down in 2009
- possible purchase of foreign made vessels for Russian navy

what would be the point of buying Foreign vessels? Russia is better off supporting their own industry, if they want to have a more advanced infrastructure in the future.

void
06-24-2009, 09:45 PM
http://www.en.rian.ru/mlitary_news/20090624/155338463.html

- new "Gorshkov" class frigate will be laid down in 2009
- possible purchase of foreign made vessels for Russian navy

They say the "2nd" Gorshkov frigate will be laid down, I wonder when the first will be launched. There are so many projects that really want to see the appearance of: T-95, PAK-FA, Severodvinsk SSN, Gorshkov Frigate.

zg18
06-24-2009, 10:08 PM
what would be the point of buying Foreign vessels? Russia is better off supporting their own industry, if they want to have a more advanced infrastructure in the future.

Well ,Russia's shipbuilding industry has been hit hard after USSR collapsed, production capabilities are clearly only a fraction of Soviet Union's.

sepheronx
06-24-2009, 10:09 PM
Well ,Russia's shipbuilding industry has been hit hard after USSR collapsed, production capabilities are clearly only a fraction of Soviet Union's.

Ok. So how does foreign building fix this issue? If more money is provided to the companies, more money goes into infrastructure, then more ships come out.