Russian Photos (updated on regular basis)

[zg18]

How many T-90s Russian military has is in it's arsenal?

[JohnnyWalker]

Meybe Russian military censors should be little bit on alert when interior pics of T-90 end up at "Odnoklassniki".

Maybe American military censors should be more careful and not let the cockpits of aircraft be on facebook, myspace, and every other website on the internets.
And tanks are the same.

Inside Abrams tank

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/3778/dewqq.th.jpg (http://img14.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dewqq.jpg)
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/2511/dweqfdwqf.th.jpg (http://img15.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dweqfdwqf.jpg)


Inside the F-18

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/419/ec871465.th.jpg (http://img15.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ec871465.jpg)
http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/8623/srvr.th.jpg (http://img11.imageshack.us/my.php?image=srvr.jpg)

Inside the F-16

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/3843/f16b.th.jpg (http://img14.imageshack.us/my.php?image=f16b.jpg)

[Universals]

All this pictures was found and posted today to russian forums by me personally :), and all ARE from 7th military base in Abkhazia, Gudauta. Tank battalion of 131 omsbr was rearmed with them in March and now all over "Odnoklassniki" are tons of fotos of happy tankers of this brigade, posing with their new equipment :)

Nice! I guess MZKT is wrong

[K-5]

How many T-90s Russian military has is in it's arsenal?
Somewhere in 270-350 range. If BTVT portal needs to translate its articles, I will be glad to contribute.

[Universals]

Somewhere in 270-350 range. If BTVT portal needs to translate its articles, I will be glad to contribute.

Does that include this years production estimates?

[zg18]

Somewhere in 270-350 range. If BTVT portal needs to translate its articles, I will be glad to contribute.

I thought that number is closely to 400 by now, 270 T-90 were back than in 2006 , in 2007 31 T-90s were produced and unknown number in 2008?

[Yars]

to zg18



T-90 - 125+some in tank schools; T-90A - 155 (2004 - 14; 2005 - 17; 2006 - 31; 2007 - 31; 2008 - 62; 2009 - ...).



As I know from sources, russia army get in 90s around 155 T-90 tanks. After 2004 they get another 155 T-90A, what means they have 310 T-90 tanks. This year they said they will buy 90 T-90 tanks and at the end of the year there will be 400 T-90 tanks. I hope they will buy some BMPTs to support them also.

Happy now?

[zg18]

Happy now?

yep! p-) very happy! :-P

[Husar-T]

Nice! I guess MZKT is wrong

It wouldn't be the first or only time.....history ended for him in 1991 and the sky is about to fall on us

[MZKT]

All this pictures was found and posted today to russian forums by me personally :), and all ARE from 7th military base in Abkhazia, Gudauta. Tank battalion of 131 omsbr was rearmed with them in March and now all over "Odnoklassniki" are tons of fotos of happy tankers of this brigade, posing with their new equipment :)

Aha, interesting. So this is where the last batch went to. I thought it was used to complete 2nd GMRD. Did the started the rearmament in march or is it already a completed unit with trained crews?

[K-5]

Aha, interesting. So this is where the last batch went to. I thought it was used to complete 2nd GMRD. Did the started the rearmament in march or is it already a completed unit with trained crews?
New. They began switching to T-90s and BTR-80As fairly recently. You can see reinforced tooth ring on that ZPU-7 to have no wear what so ever.

[Hazzard]

Surely not Abkhazia. The only unit with T-90A so far is the tank regiment of 2nd mot-infantry division stationed in moscow district. They were never send to abkhazia, they are needed for the Victory Day Parade.


1). Why then tanks are in the field?
2). Why they are masked and entrenched?
3). Look at the dates on photos. Why there are no snow and green vegetation ebverywhere?



more like 10%. thermals are rather expensive.


So whole system of fire controll costs 20% of cost of the tank (the best way) and thermals is half of it?

[Timmy!]

I'm not a big fan of Airforce and aviation in general, but maybe someone here will find this interesting.
It's a zip archive of a Excel file which has all info about the Airforce reform - how many planes and what kind of every regiment have, how many will they have in 2010 etc.
http://www.ryadovoy.ru/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=381.0;attach=280

[kontempladorII]

1). Why then tanks are in the field?

So whole system of fire controll costs 20% of cost of the tank (the best way) and thermals is half of it?

State-of-the-art IR arrays (aka Thermal imagers) can cost about $1 million. The type that are used in satellites for example. Add the software, optics and the necessary cooling system.

[Brasi]

So what is the latest variant of the T-90 then? T-90A, T-90S??? Just curious what kind of upgrades have happened to the T-90 as it by far my most favorite tank.

Regards...

[Dark Avenger]

AFAIK the latest is the T-90A (originally called T-90M) with a welded turret and Catherine-FC thermal sights.

[Hazzard]

State-of-the-art IR arrays (aka Thermal imagers) can cost about $1 million. The type that are used in satellites for example. Add the software, optics and the necessary cooling system.

Satellite IR and tank IR are a lil bit different. The cost of one T-90A is about 3,5-4 mln$ and one Lacross is about 1 bln$.

P.S. Thales thermalvisors for T-90
http://www.thalesonline.com/docfile/dyn/12345678LANGCCCCDDDDEEEEEEEEEE01:6b05190e3d5a2f140d605305711b431b:1760637E3D3756221E4918164A68636D

[Husar-T]

So what is the latest variant of the T-90 then? T-90A, T-90S??? Just curious what kind of upgrades have happened to the T-90 as it by far my most favorite tank.

Regards...

T-90A

Main external difference is the welded turret which is protected by Relikt armour.

It has the ESSA Sight (Catherine TI camera is part of it) mated with Laser Range Finder, Wind Sensor + 1G46 day sight. Auto Tracking capability, new navigation system and some other stuff.

Another pretty interesting addition is the "Ainet" fuse setting system which allows the tank to detonate HE-FRAG rounds at predetermined moment of flight

[TR1]

T-90A

Main external difference is the welded turret which is protected by Relikt armour.

It has the ESSA Sight (Catherine TI camera is part of it) mated with Laser Range Finder, Wind Sensor + 1G46 day sight. Auto Tracking capability, new navigation system and some other stuff.

Another pretty interesting addition is the "Ainet" fuse setting system which allows the tank to detonate HE-FRAG rounds at predetermined moment of flight
Relikt on a T-90? I have yet to see such a thing.

[GazB]

The Sprut-SD is not exclusively for the VDV (airborne forces).
There is one photo of this vehicle during an amphibious landing from a ROPUCHA class landing ship. That indicates that it may equip the black berets (Russian marines) units. In that case, it will be indeed a PT-76 replacement.

Quite right, though it was designed with the VDV in mind based on the BMD-3 chassis for the purpose of anti tank use. The Naval forces have used tanks in that role rather than the PT-76 specifically, I have no information which vehicles the Sprut will replace. They might replace the T series tanks used by the naval infantry while the PT-76 might get an upgrade with an S-60 57mm main gun replacing the 76.2mm main gun. Or they might replace the PT-76 and put the new S-60 gun on some of the SPRUT vehicles. Having a gun that can fire at up to 120 rpm a shell as powerful as the 57mm round or any new 57mm rounds that might be developed would make a very powerful anti APC vehicle able to smash any non tank based APC from most combat ranges with a very high engagement rate. Together with SPRUTs that would be an impressive force.
I wonder if the design of the modified PT-76s allow dual feed so an anti personel round together with an anti armour round could be available for immediate use all the time like with the dual feed 30mm guns of the Russian IFVs.

[Husar-T]

Relikt on a T-90? I have yet to see such a thing.

The triangular ERA on the turret is Relikt, but I'm not sure about the armour on the glacis

[void]

The triangular armour on the T-90A is in fact K-5.

Relikt
http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/4893/beshkazx8.jpg

K5
http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/1680/weldcast2pn.jpg

They look similar, but the Relikt has a better bit, with less gaps and looks more like one solid block than a series of blocks.

[XRR496]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXDXzqiA-yk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeFWvrvS_YQ

re?

[-Julik- 4.GdKp]

Small video about 'Yaroslav Mudriy'

http://rutube.ru/tracks/1572655.html?v=4722038c508a925685798a59eceb8211

[_GDS_]

all who don't know how T-90A is different from other versions visualy, take a look at void's given photo:
http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/1680/weldcast2pn.jpg

Bellow you can see T-90 with old turret, while upper is T-90A, with welded turret(if you still don't get it, look at area between K-5 reactive armor blocks and smoke dispencers).
also look at the distances, of backward shtora laser scanners are placed(how far they are from smoke dispencers in upper T-90A).

[xav]

What is odnoklassniki ?

[jaybe]

What is odnoklassniki ?

Russian analog for classmates.com

[Husar-T]

The triangular armour on the T-90A is in fact K-5.

Relikt
http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/4893/beshkazx8.jpg

K5
http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/1680/weldcast2pn.jpg

They look similar, but the Relikt has a better bit, with less gaps and looks more like one solid block than a series of blocks.

Wrong.

The outside shape of the modules don't really matter...

The K-5 has been replaced by Relikt for the past 2-3 years....I think since 2006. The outside modules are the same, but the elements inside are different.


At RUSSIAN EXPO ARMS 2006 exhibition held in Nizhniy Tagil on July 11-15 a new multi-purpose ERA package made by NII Stali was demonstrated on an upgraded T-72B tank (Sling-shot).



The new ERA package is almost twice as effective as Contact-V ERA system.


It is called multi-purpose not only because it defeats both HEAT-warhead and KE ammunition, but also because it is made as a number of separate modules, which makes it possible to fit the package to any tank types using standard modules and attachment fittings.



http://www.niistali.ru/news_en/single_news.php?id=072406-43428-565

[Baron Harkonnen]

Wrong.

The outside shape of the modules don't really matter...

The K-5 has been replaced by Relikt for the past 2-3 years....I think since 2006. The outside modules are the same, but the elements inside are different.

It is desinformation.
The outside shape of the modules do really and critically matter. T-90A are equiped with K-5 ERA, not Relict

[Husar-T]

I stand corrected then. You're the authority on Russian tanks.

Do you have any more info on the Relikt?

[Baron Harkonnen]

I stand corrected then. You're the authority on Russian tanks.

Do you have any more info on the Relikt?

The basis of improved protection of Relict is possibility to trough the back plate backwards.
You can notice that the modules are placed with space between them and armor - http://btvt.narod.ru/1/armor_72_80_84/10-11.jpg

[MZKT]

Relikt wa sso far only displayed on T-72 Rogatka and the similar T-80 Upgrade.

[TheArmenian]

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/9097/sizedp5.jpg

More great photos at http://vovanko.livejournal.com/119375.html

[K-5]

Relikt wa sso far only displayed on T-72 Rogatka and the similar T-80 Upgrade.
BMPT was designed with Relict right away. Don't know if it's going into service though.

[TR1]

The triangular ERA on the turret is Relikt, but I'm not sure about the armour on the glacis
it is more certainly not. Check out BTVT, otvaga, Vasily Fofonovs site. All of these respectable sources say it is K-5.


edit, Hark beat me to it.

[dzhaga-dzhaga]

Sorry friends, too much dzhaga-dzhaga these day. I overposted photos. I'm too annoying. Let's have patience for few days more. i will finish with Parade and take a rest. :)



28-th and 30-th April rehearsals of Victory Day parade - part 2 T-90, Buk, S-300, S-400

Full part 2 - http://vitalykuzmin.net/?q=node/185



T-90

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9A39 reloading vehicle

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[K-5]

it is more certainly not. Check out BTVT, otvaga, Vasily Fofonovs site. All of these respectable sources say it is K-5.


edit, Hark beat me to it.
The upcoming T-90B, rumored to be revealed to public this summer, will likely have Relict ERA. If it does it will further promote UVZ's exports stance since Iran will probably place an order for those to fend off Iraqi newest gifts from Uncle Sam.

[SandBagger]

Really nice and interesting pics, thanks for sharing!
But what is it whit Russian soldiers and sneakers?? p-)

adidas gazelles a roman was nice enough to point out now can anyone answer me are they issued or why is it only those sneakers they wear?

[Steppe]

For summer use sneakers are always more comfortable than a pair of heavy leather boots or lace up combat boots. Therefore those soldiers who want to, and have the chance to get a pair, often use sneakers. This has been a common thing since the war in Afghanistan, where the rocky terrain and hot weather called for something comfier than the standard leather footwear.

[SandBagger]

For summer use sneakers are always more comfortable than a pair of heavy leather boots or lace up combat boots. Therefore those soldiers who want to, and have the chance to get a pair, often use sneakers. This has been a common thing since the war in Afghanistan, where the rocky terrain and hot weather called for something comfier than the standard leather footwear.

so were they issue?

[RomanS]

so were they issue?

No

Guys paid for them out of their own pockets

[meatyclaws]

The upcoming T-90B, rumored to be revealed to public this summer, will likely have Relict ERA. If it does it will further promote UVZ's exports stance since Iran will probably place an order for those to fend off Iraqi newest gifts from Uncle Sam.

t-90b, ive never heard of it? is it equipped with a new gun or fcs or maybe new thermal sights or BMS.

[K-5]

adidas gazelles a roman was nice enough to point out now can anyone answer me are they issued or why is it only those sneakers they wear?
Weren't they Sambas? They still make them though now they are made of leather. Adidas' blue "samba" are a legacy of Afghanistan campaign. Soviet Union acquired license to manufacture them one or two years after the war began (war not being the reason for the deal). Those who had to use their feet to get around Afghan terrain quickly realized that standard issue "Kirzaki" were useless, and even damaging. The sneakers quickly gathered popularity among the troops for their comfort and strain ****e soles. There was another good reason for wearing them instead of trench boots-if you tripped on AP mine you would likely lose part of or whole foot, but not the whole thigh or even entire leg which would be the case with standard issue footwear. And no they paid for them out of their own pockets.

[void]

I have a pic/vid request. Does anybody have any S-400 missile pictures/videos, and I dont mean the containers, I mean the actual missile. As far as I know, there are no publicly available pics of the S-400 missiles nor videos of an S-400 firing (at least not from close enough range to determine if its actually S-400 or just S-300).

[Steppe]

There was another good reason for wearing them instead of trench boots-if you tripped on AP mine you would likely lose part of or whole foot, but not the whole thigh or even entire leg which would be the case with standard issue footwear.


A DShB veteran, who fought in Afghanistan, told me this about sneakers and mines: The thin sole made it possible to actually feel a mine under your foot if you stepped on one, this was impossible with the thick, sturdy soles of the issued boots. In the unlucky case of finding oneself on a mine, and actually noticing it, a soldier had a chance to either try to disarm the mine or to dive to safety in a controlled manner. This, he told me, saved a lot of legs and lives. You might still get your toes or so blown off, but it could well save your life.
Anyone who's ever worn a pair of Soviet "Mockbas" outside, or the original Adidas' from which they were copied, understands what this is about. You can pretty much feel every little twig and pebble under your feet in shoes like that.

[MZKT]

t-90b, ive never heard of it? is it equipped with a new gun or fcs or maybe new thermal sights or BMS.

So far there are only rumors that it will be some sort of T-90 on T-72 Rogatka level. With Relikt, Nakidka, Ramka FCS and maybe the new 1200hp diesel.

[Moche`]

A DShB veteran, who fought in Afghanistan, told me this about sneakers and mines: The thin sole made it possible to actually feel a mine under your foot if you stepped on one, this was impossible with the thick, sturdy soles of the issued boots. In the unlucky case of finding oneself on a mine, and actually noticing it, a soldier had a chance to either try to disarm the mine or to dive to safety in a controlled manner. This, he told me, saved a lot of legs and lives. You might still get your toes or so blown off, but it could well save your life.
Anyone who's ever worn a pair of Soviet "Mockbas" outside, or the original Adidas' from which they were copied, understands what this is about. You can pretty much feel every little twig and pebble under your feet in shoes like that.
Got a picture of those oldskool sneakers?

[shoora]

Got a picture of those oldskool sneakers?
http://kazakh.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/kedi.jpg

[GazB]

So far there are only rumors that it will be some sort of T-90 on T-72 Rogatka level. With Relikt, Nakidka, Ramka FCS and maybe the new 1200hp diesel.

I would expect, though I have no proof of this of course, that this new T-90 model might have systems that are either used in the T-95 or directly related to them to maximise commonality between the two vehicles. It simplifies training and logistics for both the operators and those who have to maintain the vehicles.
It would be consistent with what they are doing with their aircraft with the Su-27BM (Su-35) getting systems and equipment that will likely also be fitted to the early model 5th gen PAK-FA fighters that are to suppliment and eventually replace them. The thing is that the PAK-FA will be to expensive to make in large numbers quickly so the upgraded Su-35s will form the backbone of the force. I think the Army might intend to do the same with the T-95 and new model T-90s. Of course there are limitations about what can be done to upgrade the older model in both cases.. the Su-35 will never become a stealth aircraft no matter how many +s they put after the 4 th gen designation. The same for the T-90 never getting to the level of the T-95 regarding armour and protection and sensors etc. Would be nice to see a turret bustle auto loader on the T-90 as designed for Black Eagle if only to balance the weight of the gun and allow longer rounds to be used at a faster rate.


Sorry friends, too much dzhaga-dzhaga these day. I overposted photos. I'm too annoying. Let's have patience for few days more. i will finish with Parade and take a rest.

Please don't appologise, the pics you post are very much appreciated... especially from here down on the other side of the world. :)

[Steppe]

Got a picture of those oldskool sneakers?

Oh yes, here you go, these are the Soviet made copies:
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a316/Melanteri/mockba1.jpg

The sole is made from a rather thin and soft, but stretchy and though material, enough so to survive field use for some time. This model is just the iconical ~Sneakers of Afghanistan~, numerous other models were used alongside these.

[Stonewall71]

Regarding the upcoming 9th May PARADE, will any new material be displayed or it will be basically the same as last year????

[kopapaka]

edit (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=156608)

[void]

Regarding the upcoming 9th May PARADE, will any new material be displayed or it will be basically the same as last year????

Youre not going to see equipment that you havent seen before, it makes no sense to show a prototype in a parade like that, what if it breaks down? You'll see S-400s which werent in the parade last year afaik, maybe some other things, but no equipment thats not in service yet.

If youre expecting the T-95 say, you'll be disappointed, no way will that be shown here. For that, wait for the Nizhny Tagil arms expo (or the VTTV Omsk expo), if it gets revealed it'll be there.

[Djoker]

Mi-28N "Havoc" in Budenovsk.

http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/3216/attachmentm.jpg

More (http://scalemodels.ru/modules/photo/viewcat_cid_364.html)

[Alex Atreides]

BTR-80
http://s48.radikal.ru/i119/0905/40/50c75b3cb662.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)
http://s60.radikal.ru/i169/0905/cb/30da56abb12b.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)
http://s57.radikal.ru/i157/0905/ac/a89d643bfc2a.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)

GAZ-M1
http://s59.radikal.ru/i165/0905/f9/19d7df796759.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)
http://i078.radikal.ru/0905/17/4929b72c39c8.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)
http://s45.radikal.ru/i110/0905/5b/a22bac63e19a.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)
http://s57.radikal.ru/i157/0905/4e/650f1db9f782.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)

[Djoker]

Tu-95MS accompanied by two MiG-29SMT.

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/3541/1520474.jpg

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Russia---Air/Tupolev-Tu-95MS/1520474/M/

[Universals]

Mi-28N "Havoc" in Budenovsk.

More (http://scalemodels.ru/modules/photo/viewcat_cid_364.html)

Mi-28N is the Night Hunter

[Djoker]

Mi-28N is the Night Hunter

Yes, this is it...
"Havoc" - NATO reporting name...

[Universals]

Yes, this is it...
"Havoc" - NATO reporting name...

Mi-28 is Havoc (Nato reporting name)
Mi-28N is Night hunter (Nato reporting name)

[calimero2]

Mi-28 is Havoc (Nato reporting name)
Mi-28N is Night hunter (Nato reporting name)

Mi-28 = HAVOC A
Mi-28N "Night Hunter" = HAVOC B

[medo]

Great photos Vitaly from parade trainings. I have a question. It is difficult to see from photos, but you see S-300 and S-400 in front of you and could easier say, it seems to me, that S-400 missiles (containers) are larger (longer) than S-300 missiles. If they are larger, than S-400 could really reach 400 km range with those missiles.

[DiversanT]

The Budyonovsk helos in the latest images are Mi-28's, not Mi-28N.
Those are Mi-28N. Budyonovsk AB got 6 Mi-28N few weeks ago.

[Flankerman]

Mi-28 is Havoc (Nato reporting name)
Mi-28N is Night hunter (Nato reporting name)

Are you sure ???

That goes against all the 'rules' of ASCC (NATO) reporting names for helicopters - they begin with the letter H.

Any sub-variant - with visual differences - would be given a letter suffix to the reporting name.

e.g. 'Havoc-A', 'Havoc-B' etc etc....

I'd be very surprised if 'Night Hunter' was an ASCC reporting name - more likely Mil OKB PR - like Kamov's 'Black Shark' & 'Alligator'

Ken

[TheArmenian]

Sorry friends, too much dzhaga-dzhaga these day.

There is no such thing as "too much dzhaga-dzhaga".

The more, the better.

:)

[dzhaga-dzhaga]

28-th and 30-th April rehearsals of Victory Day parade - part 3 ICBM Topol, BM-30 Cmerch, Iskander-M, engineering vehicles BREM-1, KET-T, Ural-4320


Full part 3 - http://vitalykuzmin.net/?q=node/186



Topol ICBM

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Support and refueling vehicle 15T382

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BM-30 Smerch

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Iskander-M

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9T250 loading vehicle

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BREM-1

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Engineering vehicle on Ural-4320 base

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[Universals]

Are you sure ???

That goes against all the 'rules' of ASCC (NATO) reporting names for helicopters - they begin with the letter H.

Any sub-variant - with visual differences - would be given a letter suffix to the reporting name.

e.g. 'Havoc-A', 'Havoc-B' etc etc....

I'd be very surprised if 'Night Hunter' was an ASCC reporting name - more likely Mil OKB PR - like Kamov's 'Black Shark' & 'Alligator'

Ken

I think I've got it twisted. So, I' ll defer to you on this one.

[calimero2]

MAZ-537
Thanks Vitaly! That's the KET-T recovery vehicle.

[calimero2]

Those are Mi-28N. Budyonovsk AB got 6 Mi-28N few weeks ago.

You're right, I was fooled by the missing mast-mounted radars.

[dzhaga-dzhaga]

Thanks Vitaly! That's the KET-T recovery vehicle.

oh...thanks...

but still on MAZ chassis :)

[-Julik- 4.GdKp]

Final rehearsal of Victory Day Parade in St. Petersburg

http://visualrian.com/storage/PreviewWM/3915/17/391517.jpg?1241546042

more
http://visualrian.com/lists/item/34478

[molokofreak]

omg! TIGR-CABRIO!:D

[mannelig]

Final rehearsal of Victory Day Parade in St. Petersburg

http://visualrian.com/storage/PreviewWM/3915/17/391517.jpg?1241546042

more
http://visualrian.com/lists/item/34478

OMG Tigr cabrio!:)
I want one

[Nuclear_Warrior]

OMG Tigr cabrio!:)
I want one

x2. it looks great!

[Moche`]

why are the camouflage patterns on most vehicles almost the same?

[Dark Avenger]

OMG Tigr cabrio!:)
I want one


x3!!! Damn, this thing is HOT!!!

[HunterHunter]

Looks horny! That thing will go on my desktop for shu

[Luber]

Topol-M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWESOQW5Soc

[mannelig]

Topol-M


Only now I ralized, that this mobile Topol can provide the launch from any place it can drive to. That`s some powerful thing.

[KillerBD]

why are the camouflage patterns on most vehicles almost the same?

uniformity...:roll: Jeez, first people are giving our old Ruskies friends crap for not having much uniformity... Now its the other way around:cantbeli:

p-)

[MZKT]

Some may remeber OMON's way of recycling already posted here.

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/6146/green1n.jpg

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/3987/green3c.jpg

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/9264/green5j.jpg

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/4868/green6f.jpg

The critic was that carrying a person by 4 limbs is somehow totalitarian. Well it seems the have considered the critic:

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/2562/008xuq.jpg

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/9854/009bzr.jpg

[Nuclear_Warrior]

LOL@ the last photo.

[K-5]

uniformity...:roll: Jeez, first people are giving our old Ruskies friends crap for not having much uniformity... Now its the other way around:cantbeli:

p-)
stereotypes shape hard to break addiction.
This camo will send puking those who may survive a tank it's painted on.
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/9080/c0de68aee7xs2.jpg

[nsp]

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/2562/008xuq.jpg


Those Equilibrium-style helmets is awesome.:)
http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/3623/bear01.jpg

"Damn regime"

[Red_Rage]

stereotypes shape hard to break addiction.
This camo will send puking those who may survive a tank it's painted on.



Pretty nasty pattern indeed. What is wrong with the tank? T-80U is a pretty sexy machine (but i'm biased towards gas turbines...performance over efficiency all the way).


I, for one, absolutely love the new Russian pattern. Very clean and crisp lines, and pretty functional camo.

[K-5]

Pretty nasty pattern indeed. What is wrong with the tank?
I, for one, absolutely love the new Russian pattern. Very clean and crisp lines, and pretty functional camo.
There is nothing wrong with it, just not very usual(they obviously targeted desert terrain operators with it). That new camo is actually an evolution of the three piece green-sand-black streak pattern adopted in mid 80's.

T-80U is a pretty sexy machine (but i'm biased towards gas turbines...performance over efficiency all the way). Modern gas turbines are not that thirsty relative to their first operational predecessors, and with some further R&D fuel consumption can be reduced even more. They still will use more fuel than diesel counterparts, but if one really thinks good ole V-2, in its modern form, is fuel efficient than one needs to see how much motor oil this chugs per hour run.

"Damn regime"
Meh, still pretty mild relative of what police department of certain Californian city is known of...

[RuLavan]

More of the funny Tigr
http://s43.radikal.ru/i099/0905/79/1e336402032e.jpg

http://i010.radikal.ru/0905/e2/651337b80b0b.jpg

And walkaround of them http://dishmodels.com/wshow.htm?p=1034

[TR1]

oh noes? Who gave the old Zils a massive botox injection?

[Dark-Angel25]

Any live stream out there where i can watch the military parade live on may 9th?

[jaybe]

Any live stream out there where i can watch the military parade live tomorrow?

ehm... tomorrow? no any :)

[RuLavan]

But on 9 May you can watch live translation here http://www.vesti.ru/videos?vid=onair

Click on "Высокое качество" - "High quality"

[Djoker]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnSJ1oDF4jE

[K-5]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnSJ1oDF4jE
Hmm, this should have not happened!? I don't see heavy stores attached. Hot day?

More of the funny Tigr
And walkaround of them http://dishmodels.com/wshow.htm?p=1034
Did they ever find a substitute for Cumins engine? give it new engine and low profile tires and I would totally hit that...

[jaybe]

Hmm, this should have not happened!? I don't see heavy stores attached. Hot day?

Did they ever find a substitute for Cumins engine? give it new engine and low profile tires and I would totally hit that...

i think pilot took a bit longer run so plane wheels meet dirt

[Pantsyr]

some pics from me
http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww3/DankE_SPB/Events/5th%20May%20rehearsal/S5000108.jpg
http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww3/DankE_SPB/Events/5th%20May%20rehearsal/S5000109.jpg
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[Dark-Angel25]

ehm... tomorrow? no any :)
Silly me.I meant on may 9th.

[HunterHunter]

i think pilot took a bit longer run so plane wheels meet dirt

Or maybe engine propulsion lift that dust and dirt

[Mousepad]

Or maybe engine propulsion lift that dust and dirt

Engine wash for sure, if look closer - landing gear, at that moment, already in the air

[Max Power9999]

Those Equilibrium-style helmets is awesome.:)
http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/3623/bear01.jpg

"Damn regime"


Are the helmets russian-made?

[magmell]

Hi everyone,
I have a question: i need some info about the types of boots used currently in Russian army - are there any specific brands or companies, that produce military boots? And are the high boots (sapogi) still in use? Cos i see such a variety of footware in the pics and photos. What is the official footware?

[void]

60 round mag for the Ak-74 in action:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJM8asnj6JY

In the description there is a link to a schematic.

[nsp]

Are the helmets russian-made?
If i remember correctly those helmets was showed on russian arms expos, so it must be russian.

[Mr.K]

http://www.prideaircraft.com/news.htm




P.S. Ukrainians if you read, know - you bastards who has made it.
I hope these birds for Red Flag, and they will tear an ass to All

Wow, that's incredible on so many levels. So the Su-27 comes from Ukraine?

[Stonewall71]

Final rehearsal of Victory Day Parade in St. Petersburg

http://visualrian.com/storage/PreviewWM/3915/17/391517.jpg?1241546042

more
http://visualrian.com/lists/item/34478


what does this means???? :|

Технические работы на сервере

Уважаемые посетители!

Приносим извинения. Доступ к сайту будет возобновлен в ближайшее время.

[zanuda]

Ukrainians if you read, know - you bastards who has made it. I hope these birds for Red Flag, and they will tear an ass to All

Why I am not surprised?

ukr external management suck out last juice before to throw out in a basket the next banana republic

BTW
this steal Su is Su-27ub?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ru/5/59/Su_27.jpg
http://legion.wplus.net/guide/air/i/su27ub-3.jpg
http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/fighter/su27ub/su27ub-9.jpg

[Red_Rage]

Wow, that's incredible on so many levels. So the Su-27 comes from Ukraine?



Where else :)

Sukhoi should introduce a civilian Flanker - all Flanker minus weapon systems. I think there are enough flight enthusiasts with money in the world to procure annual orders larger than Venezuela and India put together p-) Probably the best aerial acrobatics jet around.

[HunterHunter]

what does this means???? :|

Технические работы на сервере

Уважаемые посетители!

Приносим извинения. Доступ к сайту будет возобновлен в ближайшее время.

Site went down becouse of maitainance. In other words, someone felt drunk on interentz cable

[SandBagger]

i saw in a website that i wouldnt consider the most honest them selling a flecktarn jacket as spetznaz do they ever use that?

and also any super cheap ass sites to get russian surplus?

[Stonewall71]

Site went down becouse of maitainance. In other words, someone felt drunk on interentz cable


rofl ah ok, thanks!

[dzhaga-dzhaga]

Are the helmets russian-made?

russian company NPP KlASS produce it.

OMON use a mod of PSh-97 Dzheta

http://www.flamber.ru/files/photos/1211922554/1225733940_g.jpg


http://www.flamber.ru/files/photos/1211922554/1225733035_g.jpg

[Konst]

Where else :)

Sukhoi should introduce a civilian Flanker - all Flanker minus weapon systems. I think there are enough flight enthusiasts with money in the world to procure annual orders larger than Venezuela and India put together p-) Probably the best aerial acrobatics jet around.

These planes have not been demilitarised. They have been bought directly from aircraft repair factory! Damn!!

[nsp]

Multimedia map wich showing all battles of The Great Patriotic War.
http://english.pobediteli.ru/

[Red_Rage]

These planes have not been demilitarised. They have been bought directly from aircraft repair factory! Damn!!



I'm pretty sure weapons systems will have to be removed in order for FAA to give them clearance to fly.

It appears that they are planning to use the planes for aerobatics anyways, so weapons systems is just lots of extra weight.

[RomanS]

60 round mag for the Ak-74 in action:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJM8asnj6JY

In the description there is a link to a schematic.

Hahaha thanks for posting me when i was fat

[Laworkerbee]

Hahaha thanks for posting me when i was fat

Hahaha I saw that but didn't want to draw any attention to you.

[RomanS]

Hahaha I saw that but didn't want to draw any attention to you.

You are so helpful !

Now get your ass up here. I missed you



Also, doesn anyone know if Russia Today going to broadcast the May 9th parade? If so, Im getting this channel .

[KoTeMoRe]

Fat? I thought that was your BP vest.

[bazyl813]

Шлем противоударный ПШ-97 (ДЖЕТА)
Antishock helmet PSH-97 Dzeta
http://www.classcom.ru/content/img/ncat_first/2004/11/img/Djeta-web.jpg

[shoora]

Wow, that's incredible on so many levels. So the Su-27 comes from Ukraine?
Isn't it what ukraine did since 1991? To sell soviet weapon, which left on The territory. i.e. privately owned corporation "ukraine" have garage salep-) From what I see, they are unable to produce complete thing from ground up anymore. Only rebuiild and touch up of bodys produced before them.
So, to aircraft - it's not a big deal to me.

[GTX-Typhoon]

Multimedia map wich showing all battles of The Great Patriotic War.
http://english.pobediteli.ru/

Wow!

Thanks for posting that awesome piece of work!

[Digimon]

http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/2738/mvd06z.th.jpg (http://img398.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mvd06z.jpg)

[Russian-Space]

Cool. I buy 3 years ago. ($60)




60 round mag for the Ak-74 in action:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJM8asnj6JY

In the description there is a link to a schematic.

[RomanS]

you bought a 60 round mag???? for $60

POST PHOTOS PLEASE

[Bachelor]

Russian Army Gen. Varennikov dead at 85
... Decorated with the titles Hero of the Soviet Union and Knight of the Order of Glory, Varennikov was the former first deputy chief of the Soviet General Staff (1979-1989), commander of the Ground Forces, and deputy Defense Minister of the U.S.S.R.
Varennikov was the veteran of the Word War II, was the participant of Parade of the Victory in Moscow in 1945, and he have missions in Angola, Syria, Ethiopia and Afghanistan. General was one of the organizers of jobs of military units at liquidation of consequences of failure on the Chernobyl atomic power station.......
Real soldier, real officer, real General, real Hero.....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valentin_Varennikov

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Valentin Varennikov in Berlin... May 1945...

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Valentin Varennikov in Afghanistan...

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Valentin Varennikov in Angola, Ethiopia, Northern Korea...

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[TR1]

http://www.vz.ru/news/2009/5/6/284211.html

wow in 2008, 52 T-90A, 210 BTRs, 41 BMP-3s, 34 missiles for S-400 complex, and other purchases were made.

More T-90s than I was expecting.

[TR1]

Hmmm, other sources say actual T-90A number was 62.

[Hazard1024]

More the merrier I say! :)

[MZKT]

Hmmm, other sources say actual T-90A number was 62.

62 is more probable. Tanks are ordered as bataillon units, 1 russian tank bataillon = 31 tanks.


Isn't it what ukraine did since 1991? To sell soviet weapon, which left on The territory. i.e. privately owned corporation "ukraine" have garage salep-)

Russia and all other ex-soviet republcs did either.

[Hyde]

Which BTR did they buy? BTR-90?

[Hast2]

Multimedia map wich showing all battles of The Great Patriotic War.
http://english.pobediteli.ru/

Very informative and surprisingly without propaganda. Thanks!

[Yars]

Hmmm, other sources say actual T-90A number was 62.

Last year there were produced 62 T-90A

Вот что сказал Иванов:

http://www.government.ru/content/governmentactivity/mainnews/archive/2009/05/06/4923212.htm

Quote: "Нам удалось поставить в армию в прошлом году 17 межконтинентальных баллистических ракет, 4 пусковые установки "Искандер", 62 танка Т-90."


"210 современных БТР-80, 41 БМП-3 – боевых машин пехоты, 152 орудия и миномета, 34 ракеты для новых комплексов ПВО С-400, 4,5 тысячи автомобилей.
Кроме того, отремонтированы и модернизированы 6 стратегических бомбардировщиков ТУ-95, 82 самолета, 31 вертолет и 270 танков и т.д."


А журналист просто перепутал цифры.

MareCar,

BTR-80/BTR-80A

[TR1]

a ha, ponyatno. spasibo MZKT & yars.

What about projections for this year?

[zg18]

http://www.vz.ru/news/2009/5/6/284211.html

wow in 2008, 52 T-90A, 210 BTRs, 41 BMP-3s, 34 missiles for S-400 complex, and other purchases were made.

More T-90s than I was expecting.

As i understand Russian pretty good due to language similarity it's also says that new 17 ICBMs entered service ,if that's true than Russia made really good progress in production since before only 6-7 units entered RSF annually , i assume it's 9 mobile and 8 missile silo Topol-M

[Abbyy]

You're right, I was fooled by the missing mast-mounted radars.

Radars are not completely ready tbh and are still under testing/development. They just left a stub on top of helo for it.

This is what i heard.

[BoevayaSistema]

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[Yars]

a ha, ponyatno. spasibo MZKT & yars.

What about projections for this year?

В принципе об этом можно почитать по той же ссылке. Если конкретно по Т-90, говорят в этом году собираются заказать от 90 машин. Этому косвенно свидетельствует гигантский ГОЗ на этот год предприятий ОПК в Свердловской области, где расположен УВЗ и заводы-смежники.


As i understand Russian pretty good due to language similarity it's also says that new 17 ICBMs entered service ,if that's true than Russia made really good progress in production since before only 6-7 units entered RSF annually , i assume it's 9 mobile and 8 missile silo Topol-M

Also some new R-29RMU2/3 "Sineva" for Delta-IV SSBN (667BDRM "Delfin") entered service in 2008. Only 13 Topol-M's were produced last year as far as I know.

PS
my mistake. not 13, 11 SS-27's

[Flamming_Python]

stereotypes shape hard to break addiction.
This camo will send puking those who may survive a tank it's painted on.
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Hmm that's the T-80UM1 Bars right? With the Arena mod? I am sort of confused as to what reactive armour system is installed on it, or was supposed to be. I like that colour scheme actually :)

Is that a T-55MV5 I see behind it? What is the status with T-55 upgrades anyway? Or are all the T-55's going to be scrapped? :(

Does anyone know the fate of the T-62 & T-64 series in the Russian army? Would be a real shame to have all these pre T-72 tanks scrapped; IMHO they should be prioritised for upgrades; that way another 10 years can be squeezed out of them, and then after that the T-72's can be upgraded to the latest mod. in a decade time.

[TR1]

T-55 and T-62 are almost gone, and for the best, they are hopelessly outdated. With the retirement of the Sakhalin T-55s I dont know if they exist anywhere anymore. T-62 is used only in MVD. Same is generally true for T-64s, I don't think any serve anymore aside from a few in training schools.

The only thing that would make sense is increase T-90 purchases for now.

[zg18]

Also some new R-29RMU2/3 "Sineva" for Delta-IV SSBN (667BDRM "Delfin") entered service in 2008. Only 13 Topol-M's were produced last year as far as I know.

PS
my mistake. not 13, 11 SS-27's

Yep , i forget about SLBM Sineva , never the less , 17 ICBMs is quite good compared with previous years...

[Red_Rage]

Hmm that's the T-80UM1 Bars right? With the Arena mod? I am sort of confused as to what reactive armour system is installed on it, or was supposed to be. I like that colour scheme actually :)

Is that a T-55MV5 I see behind it? What is the status with T-55 upgrades anyway? Or are all the T-55's going to be scrapped? :(

Does anyone know the fate of the T-62 & T-64 series in the Russian army? Would be a real shame to have all these pre T-72 tanks scrapped; IMHO they should be prioritised for upgrades; that way another 10 years can be squeezed out of them, and then after that the T-72's can be upgraded to the latest mod. in a decade time.


Building new tanks is a better idea than squeezing life out of 50 year old machines. T-64 maaaaybe, because it was a Mercedes of tanks during its service peak.

Wasn't T-55 chassis proposed for variety of projects? I'm pretty sure the promising BMP-T uses it. IMHO, it is a much better way to convert those older machines into heavy APCs, engineering vihicles and tank support platforms like BMPT than upgrade and use them as tanks.

[Yars]

T-55 and T-62 are almost gone, and for the best, they are hopelessly outdated. With the retirement of the Sakhalin T-55s I dont know if they exist anywhere anymore. T-62 is used only in MVD. Same is generally true for T-64s, I don't think any serve anymore aside from a few in training schools.

The only thing that would make sense is increase T-90 purchases for now.

MVD (VV) does not use tanks any more. Some T-62's were in 42s division, they even took a part in Ossetia war.

[TR1]

they transfered T-62s back to army? why in gods name, there must have been some extra 72s.

[void]

Building new tanks is a better idea than squeezing life out of 50 year old machines. T-64 maaaaybe, because it was a Mercedes of tanks during its service peak.

Wasn't T-55 chassis proposed for variety of projects? I'm pretty sure the promising BMP-T uses it. IMHO, it is a much better way to convert those older machines into heavy APCs, engineering vihicles and tank support platforms like BMPT than upgrade and use them as tanks.

BMP-T is based on the T-72 chassis, you might be thinking of the BTR-T which was a proposal for a heavy APC (think the Ascharit) based on the T-55 chassis, but I dont think anything will come of it.

[Yars]

they transfered T-62s back to army? why in gods name, there must have been some extra 72s.

That's right.

Не знаю, может планировали постепенно заменять на новые или модернизированные машины. Вроде сейчас процесс пошел, меняют на Т-72БА.

[void]

they transfered T-62s back to army? why in gods name, there must have been some extra 72s.

I think the logic behind that was that it would most likely be used in the direct fire artillery role against insurgents, so might as well use up old tanks in that role than "newer" tanks. A T-72 isnt any better than a T-62 in that kind of role anyway.

[TR1]

I think the logic behind that was that it would most likely be used in the direct fire artillery role against insurgents, so might as well use up old tanks in that role than "newer" tanks. A T-72 isnt any better than a T-62 in that kind of role anyway.
well, 125mm HE Frag > 115 HE Frag

not to mention T-72 front armor is a world ahead against HEAT projectiles (such as RPG-7)

[void]

I dunno, I read somewhere that there was a higher opinion of the T-62 in that sort of role than the T-72. Armour isnt important, since youre meant to be far away from the action, and also I think that if youre going to be artillery, the 22round autoloader in the T-72 is going to be a BIG issue. In the T-62, you reload by hand, so its very quick to fire say 100 rounds. In the T-72, you fire 22 rounds quickly, then spend 20 minutes reloading the autoloader...

[RomanS]

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[Yars]

Over 10 million views boys and girls !!!!!!!!!!!!

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T-62 in Ossetia

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[TR1]

nice rock stacking, haha.

[LEGEND]

nice rock stacking, haha.

Lets see, RPG-29 effective penetration 1500 mm reinforced concrete... The Stone-5 reactive armor package on this tank will reduce it to 1495mm :)

[TR1]

weird thing is, if we are talking about RPG-7 or some other older weapon, it is feasible that the rocks would trigger the warhead before the main armor ;).

[K-5]

Russian Army Gen.
VarennikovVarennikov
dead at 85
RIP to the fallen hero.

Lets see, RPG-29 effective penetration 1500 mm reinforced concrete... The Stone-5 reactive armor package on this tank will reduce it to 1495mm :)
Still beats Syrian plywood standoff panels:roll:

Flamming
E=Flamming_PythHmm4110256]Hmm that's the T-80UM1 Bars right? With the Arena mod? I am sort of confused as to what reactive armour system is installed on it, or was supposed to be. I like that colour scheme actually :)

Is that a T-55MV5 I see behind it? What is the status with T-55 upgrades anyway? Or are all the T-55's going to be scrapped? :(

Does anyone know the fate of the T-62 & T-64 series in the Russian army? Would be a real shame to haveprel these pre T-72 tanks scrapped; IMHO they should be prioritised for upgrades; that way another 10 years can be squeezed out of them, and then after that the T-72's can be upgraded to the latest mod. in a decade time.Yes, it's T-80UM with Arena, Stora, thermal imager and upgraded fire control system. All T-80UsKontaktith Kontakt-5 heavy ERA, there are upgrade packages for T-80B/BV complemented with relict, but they are still to be seen in the active units.
Yep that's T-55M5 there. This and more advanced M6 mod were intended for export only, particularly African states which can't either afford new gen armor or operate it properly, but have large pool of service worthy T-55s. These upgrades, as manufacturer claims, can bring protection levels to that of a T-72A or higher while also providing better accuracy for main gun through use of modern optics and electronics. As for Russia, T-55 chassis, as combat vehicle, has exhausted its upgrade capabilities long time ago and should've been retired already. The chassis may find some use in alternative service like heavy firefighting vehicle or armored fuel transport or what not.
T-64 is still found in training battalions, but it should be phased out soon due to lack of spare parts. Same reason goes for extinction of T-80UD's (too bad some of those were as advanced as T-90 in terms of electronics).
PS. Please don't compare Achzarit APC with BTR-T. Achzarit is clearly superior due to it's designers' attention to survival and effective maneuvering of the personal carried. BTR-t is same ole T-55 with all of it's decrepit gear and hastily slapped superstructure. Don take some MP dweller words for granted instead imagine yourself inside slush, highly inert vehicle under fire in urban area or having to disembark out-top with considerable enemy fire which apart of being a direct threat can also trigger K-5 section with all the consequences.

[sudaev43]

Thank God for E-Bay...

[Karaahmetoglu]

Rest In Peace to Gen. Varennikov.

[Universals]

VDV commander Lieutenant-General Valery Yevtukhovich has been fired Interfax reports. Age (55 years) cited as reason.

[Flamming_Python]

I dunno guys, I may be going out on a limb here but my impression is that it is always cheaper to upgrade an old tank than to build a brand new one, even if it means essentially ripping out the guts and leaving only the outer shell untouched. Especially if production capacity is limited as with the T-90's. By concurrently upgrading older tanks a situation of rapid production can be achieved where Russia would essentially be bringing into service 2 sets of modern MBT's in parallel (one line through upgrades, the other through new production), rather than relying on just one production line which produces T-90's in serial.

From where I'm standing, I don't even see why we need this BS T-90 at all. Essentially it's just a heavily upgraded and enhanced T-72, yet at the same uses its own specific components which are newly built, and as requires its own logistics, spare parts and supply chain that can hardly be justified for a force of some 300-400 tanks. Even if another 300-400 are built in the next decade, it's still far too small a number to justify its own niche and needs in Russia's arsenal; we have a several thousand strong T-72 force, a good portion of which can be upgraded to Rogatka standard faster and cheaper than creating entirely new T-90s, and to top it off we will have greater compatibility for spare parts and logistics without having to maintain an entirely new chain. This is especially important, as we have an entirely new tank, the T-95 just around the corner and it's important to free up as much production capacity for that as possible.

The T-80 (and perhaps the T-64 to some degree? I'm not sure) poses a problem, as so many of the facilities for their production and modernisation, as well as supply of spare parts, have ended up in the Ukraine. Any projects with these models will require extensive Russian/Ukrainian co-operation, but with the current political situation as it is between the countries, I don't really see a solution, short of exchanging Russian T-80s for Ukrainian T-72s.

As for the T-55 well it's easy to dismiss, but I reckon with some of these upgrades there's no reason to believe that the old beast still doesn't have some life left. The T-55MV5 and T-55MV6 upgrades bring the tanks up to a T-80U standard of protection, and in particular the MV6 upgrade is of interest, because it features a turret bustle autoloader meaning that it can avoid some of the problems that have plagued Soviet tank designs which keep ammunition in unwise areas. As such there can even be such situations where the usage of such tanks is preferable to using T-72s or T-80s. I believe that the same upgrades can be applied to T-62's as well; which allows the possibility of upgrading the newer chassis of the T-62's while using the old T-55 chassis as a basis for the creation of engineering vehicles of various sorts. Although I suppose that with so many under-utilised T-72s lying around, perhaps this is all more trouble than its worth...

To some extent these sorts of arguments can be applied to the BTR-90 as well. They will never be fielded in large enough numbers to justify all the R&D, logistics and production capacity utilised with them, and the vast majority of their features can be fitted onto older BTR-60/70/80 chassis, including new engines, new weapon systems and add-on-armour. But at least in their case; there isn't a replacement waiting just around the corner (although from at least one source, there actually may be a new model soon).

[TR1]

I dunno guys, I may be going out on a limb here but my impression is that it is always cheaper to upgrade an old tank than to build a brand new one, even if it means essentially ripping out the guts and leaving only the outer shell untouched.
And that, Python, is the problem. The outer shell of the older tanks is ****. The chemical protection is non existant, and the KE protection also sucks. Redoing that, and well, you are nearing the price of a new build tank, which has potential for improvement in the future. the potential of the older tanks is long exhausted. The chassis are also outdated as hell. T-55 and T-62 were fine 30 years ago, but it is 2010 essentially. time to move on.
Especially if production capacity is limited as with the T-90's.
62 T-90As were recieved last year. That number looks to be boosted (not massively). These are already decent numbers, Russia does not need 10,000 MBTs anymore.
By concurrently upgrading older tanks a situation of rapid production can be achieved where Russia would essentially be bringing into service 2 sets of modern MBT's in parallel (one line through upgrades, the other through new production), rather than relying on just one production line which produces T-90's in serial.
And when T-95 rolls out, that is exactly what Russia will be doing.

From where I'm standing, I don't even see why we need this BS T-90 at all. Because compared to modern armor (M1a2, Leclerc, Leo 2a6) everything else save T-80U is obsolete.

Essentially it's just a heavily upgraded and enhanced T-72, yet at the same uses its own specific components which are newly built, and as requires its own logistics, spare parts and supply chain that can hardly be justified for a force of some 300-400 tanks.
A very very very heavily upgraded T-72. Check out armor values. The KE protection has in some cases been improved 3 fold, chemical protection over twice. Fire control systems are better than all but latest Abrams in the new T-90s as well. (BTW I use Abrams as an example because it is a good standard to compare to, not because I have some American beef). With the latest orders, the T-90 numbers look to surpass 400 by next year. This will only go up, as T-95 wont become serial for another half decade at least.
Even if another 300-400 are built in the next decade, it's still far too small a number to justify its own niche and needs in Russia's arsenal;
If numbers stay the same, even the conservative 60 a year number, that will be an EXTRA 620 T-90As over the current force structure. Not a bad number.
we have a several thousand strong T-72 force, a good portion of which can be upgraded to Rogatka standard faster and cheaper than creating entirely new T-90s,
Rogatka is very very expensive. That is why it was rejected.
and to top it off we will have greater compatibility for spare parts and logistics without having to maintain an entirely new chain. This is especially important, as we have an entirely new tank, the T-95 just around the corner and it's important to free up as much production capacity for that as possible.
Just around the corner it may be, but serial production will not happen for another 5 years, realistically.
The T-80 (and perhaps the T-64 to some degree? I'm not sure) poses a problem, as so many of the facilities for their production and modernisation, as well as supply of spare parts, have ended up in the Ukraine. With the current political situation as it is between the countries, I don't really see a solution, short of exchanging Russian T-80s for Ukrainian T-72s.
facilities for overhauling T-80s do exist in Russia actually, and the tank exists in way too large number to be taken out of service without leaving a huge tank gap.

As for the T-55 well it's easy to dismiss, but I reckon with some of these upgrades there's no reason to believe that the old beast still doesn't have some life left.
For African nations maybe, not for Russia.
The T-55MV5 and T-55MV6 upgrades bring the tanks up to a T-80U standard of protection
That is frankly impossible. Even if the same reactive armor is fitted on the T-55s (aside from the fact that it is in an inferior placement) the hull and turret are so far behind any comparison is pointless.
, and in particular the MV6 upgrade is of interest, because it features a turret bustle autoloader meaning that it can avoid some of the problems that have plagued Soviet tank designs which keep ammunition in unwise areas. As such there can even be such situations where the usage of such tanks is preferable to using T-72s or T-80s. I believe that the same upgrades can be applied to T-62's as well; which allows the possibility of upgrading the newer chassis of the T-62's while using the old T-55 chassis as a basis for the creation of engineering vehicles of various sorts.
Further, keeping these ancient boys in use complocates the supply chain- now you have to worry about parts for them, 100mm and 115 mm rounds (which btw, are another reason these tanks should not be used-rounds are as important as tank characteristics and these just cannot compare with the advances in 120mm and 125mm rounds).

To some extent these sorts of arguments can be applied to the BTR-90 as well. They will never be fielded in large enough numbers to justify all the R&D, logistics and production capacity utilised with them, and the vast majority of their features can be fitted onto older BTR-60/70/80 chassis, including new engines, new weapon systems and add-on-armour. But at least in their case; there isn't a replacement waiting just around the corner (although from at least one source, there actually may be a new model soon).
cheeers,
TR1

[TR1]

btw when I say chemical, I mean chemical energy, like HEAT.

[Karaahmetoglu]

You can't just keep upgrading stuff, if you are ahead stay ahead. There is only so much upgrades you can do with an old tank till in the end it is absolutely obsolete.

[Flamming_Python]

TR1 you obviously have far more detailed knowledge of this than I, but I cannot but escape the feeling that this T-90 is simply bull****. It's a new tank, that's manufactured as a new tank, but in actual fact it's just an old tank re-packaged, and while Rogatka may be very expensive, is it more than the cost of the T-90? Even if it is 80% of the cost but can give a T-72 90-95% of the capabilities and combat effectiveness of a T-90, I would think that it would clearly be a far better option; and would not require as complicated a supply chain. Even an upgrade that would give a T-72 75-80% of the capabilities of the T-90 but at only 50% of the cost would suit Russia's needs just fine. I disagree that it would be obsolete next to the Leopard 2 and Abrams; especially if they are cheaper and quicker to manufacture (read: upgrade old stock) by 4-5x. Also remember Russia is unlikely to be fighting America's finest or French Leclercs any time soon, and this will in any case be the job of the T-95. Keep the T-90 for export; there seems to be enough demand for it, especially in the next 5 years or so it takes to set up production for the T-95.

To be honest I'm not happy with the Russian military-industrial complex; I'm not happy with any of this. I mean just look at us - a once proud country, now busy feeding off the tit of Soviet military and technological accomplishments, rehashing past glories but coming up with few innovations and leaps of its own. T-90, Su-30MK, Su-35, MiG-35, etc... all of it is just re-cycled material; old tech given a PimpMyRide-style facelift, integrated with modern advances and then given a new production line. These are all stop-gap measures, but I don't understand this concept. What is the point of manufacturing Su-35's as a stop-gap measure until the arrival of the PAK-FA (also just around the corner relatively speaking)? Would it not be far more logical to simply create a cost-effective upgrade, not too expensive but that can be fitted onto existing models and give them 80-90% the capabilities of new, fresh off the press Su-35's? Actually such an upgrade already exists to my knowledge, so why waste time and money with Su-35 production?

Now of course there are arguments such as the fact that the industry must always move on and create new models in order to advance. I would argue that if more research was focussed onto next-generation technology and building prototypes instead of these half-assed re-packagings of old tech; we would already be at the next level or at least closer to it. Of course I see the value of building the MiG-35's, etc... for export; which is exactly what should be done, rather than purchasing it for domestic use when our current capabilities will last us until the next gen of equipment is ready for production. I also understand that Russia needs to keep her production capability in shape and in use in order to not use the specialists, but the production capacity can be put to better use by actually manufacturing something that does represent a leap in technology; such as the Su-34, which despite it's use of essentially Soviet tech and airframes, does represent huge progress in the role of tactical bomber aviation. In the mean time, the wise choice should be to focus on the most efficient upgrades possible for Russia's thousands upon thousands of existing machines which would otherwise simply go to waste while we build up a token force of shiny parade gear.

[TR1]

TR1 you obviously have far more detailed knowledge of this than I,
I would not say my knowlege is that detailed, we got members here who know far more, hopefully they will share some thoughts
but I cannot but escape the feeling that this T-90 is simply bull****. It's a new tank, that's manufactured as a new tank, but in actual fact it's just an old tank re-packaged, and while Rogatka may be very expensive, is it more than the cost of the T-90?
Even if it is 80% of the cost but can give a T-72 90-95% of the capabilities and combat effectiveness of a T-90, I would think that it would clearly be a far better option; and would not require as complicated a supply chain.
I do not have exact figures on Rogatka price, but it was apparently prohibitely expensive, so they choose the conservative BA modernization. Now Rogatka may be nice and all, but as I said the core of the tank is still inferior to T-90. By core I mean turret and hull armor. Relikt armor is a nice add on, but T-90 is rumored to get even that very soon. Still internal composition of the turret and the hull is much better in T-90, and that in itself makes the tank worth it IMO. T-90 also has much better commanders sight.
Even an upgrade that would give a T-72 75-80% of the capabilities of the T-90 but at only 50% of the cost would suit Russia's needs just fine.
I think cost was higher than 50%. The tank is still an elderly piece of equipment, even of brought to "zero hour" condition, brand new T-90 is better.
I disagree that it would be obsolete next to the Leopard 2 and Abrams; especially if they are cheaper and quicker to manufacture (read: upgrade old stock) by 4-5x.
Rogatka would not be overly obsolete true, but we get back to wether T-90 would just be a better match, and the price effeciency ratio. Against modern rounds such as m289a3, the new T-90 turret is a must.
Also remember Russia is unlikely to be fighting America's finest or French Leclercs any time soon, and this will in any case be the job of the T-95. Keep the T-90 for export; there seems to be enough demand for it, especially in the next 5 years or so it takes to set up production for the T-95.

To be honest I'm not happy with the Russian military-industrial complex; I'm not happy with any of this. I mean just look at us - a once proud country, now busy feeding off the tit of Soviet military and technological accomplishments, rehashing past glories but coming up with few innovations and leaps of its own. T-90, Su-30MK, Su-35, MiG-35, etc... all of it is just re-cycled material; old tech given a PimpMyRide-style facelift, integrated with modern advances and then given a new production line. These are all stop-gap measures, but I don't understand this concept. What is the point of manufacturing Su-35's as a stop-gap measure until the arrival of the PAK-FA (also just around the corner relatively speaking)?
Well, the point is to master the technology that is going to go into PAKFA. as nice as it would be to save money, and make transition to PAKFA, such a path is impossible and very unreliable. Su-35BM development probbaly gave a big boost to the PAKFA program, that simple upgrades like su-27SM cannot.
Would it not be far more logical to simply create a cost-effective upgrade, not too expensive but that can be fitted onto existing models and give them 80-90% the capabilities of new, fresh off the press Su-35's?
Su-27SM is such an upgrade, (not 80-90% of course), and the so called Su-25SM2 upgrade is supposed to take tech from the SU-35BM.
Actually such an upgrade already exists to my knowledge, so why waste time and money with Su-35 production?
BEcause it will in iteself assist the PAKFA program, create technologies, advance the industry, and create an infrastructure that has been crippled since Soviet Times. Not to mention before PAKFA comes into service, without Su-35 there will be a critical gap in the Russian air force capability. 60 or so SU-35BMs in the next half a decade will do much to alleviate that.
Now of course there are arguments such as the fact that the industry must always move on and create new models in order to advance. I would argue that if more research was focussed onto next-generation technology and building prototypes instead of these half-assed re-packagings of old tech
I would not call T-90 half assed. It is actually pretty impressive. Same with Su-35BM. From the latter, the PAKFA will gain invaluable experience in the mighty Irbis radar, composite technology produced in serial numbers on a military aircraft, and cockpit interface advancement. Not to menion engines.
; we would already be at the next level or at least closer to it.
I think instead we would be seeing a huge gap appear in our military capability appear by about 2015.
Of course I see the value of building the MiG-35's, etc... for export; which is exactly what should be done, rather than purchasing it for domestic use when our current capabilities will last us until the next gen of equipment is ready for production.
I am not so certain. PAKFA will not enter usefull numbers till 2020 or so. Untill then, if miG-35 and Su-35 are not purchased, the fighter force will be in deplorable state.

In the mean time, the wise choice should be to focus on the most efficient upgrades possible for Russia's thousands upon thousands of existing machines which would otherwise simply go to waste while we build up a token force of shiny parade gear.
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[DIMMI]

hi, now again I with old soviet missiles from my russian site http://military.tomsk.ru (from wild Siberia, sorry - russian language and while not ready in design)

http://military.tomsk.ru/blog/201/213/5XKkUCchl4.jpg
my newest artists impression of 9K71 Temp SS-12 SCALEBOARD (based on pic from Shirokorad book "Atomny taran")

http://military.tomsk.ru/blog/201/216/udNmraesw6.jpg

Oka test launch (from TV)

http://military.tomsk.ru/blog/201/226/UzEeOn5aSX.jpg
unique photos from http://forum.11td.ru - SS-12B SCALEBOARD-B 9K76 Temp-S ready to launch

http://military.tomsk.ru/blog/201/222/4ERArFSesO.jpg
2P16 launcher of Luna complex and An-22 (from TV) - missile mod - 3R10 (nuclear)

http://military.tomsk.ru/blog/201/222/A7GglpZcMR.jpg
My artists impression of experimental FROG-6 (Br-226-I launcher). Base - YaAZ-214? missile - short 3R10. Not in production or service, only tests.

http://military.tomsk.ru/blog/201/222/Mdq90dri1J.jpg
Real nuclear (not training) 3R10 from old (1960-s) secret film for soviet Government (about soviet nuclear weapon "Yadernoye orugie v gotovnosti k primeneniyu" - "Nuclear Weapon Ready to launch" - sorry for my English)

[Yars]

There is no need to upgrade thousands of Т-72s, not at all. It's not time for it.
Better option is to produce a few hundreds new tanks per year. BTW, T-90 is more than "just upgraded T-72". Look at the weight: T-72B - 44.5 t, T-80U/UD - 46 t, T-90 - 46.5.
Like TR1 says "Still internal composition of the turret and the hull is much better in T-90, and that in itself makes the tank worth it".

[Husar-T]

The T-90A turret is new and no upgraded T-72 can match it. The same goes for the main frontal glacis armour (under the K-5) which provides higher protection than upgraded T-72s.

I've come across some reports of a new turret for a new version of the T-90 which is also to be used in the upgrade of the older T-72 and T-80 tanks....anyone have anything on that?

Edit:

Yars beat me to it

[TR1]

well I think it is just welded T-90A turret with Relikt. This is intself is a massive upgrade because
a.) relikt has much more thorough coverage than k-5, which has many gaps
b.) k-5 (the member) knows more about this, but supposedly at some angles HEAT passes through K-5 without activating it. I would presume Relikt fixes this, as well as simply better conventional performance


PS
very cool pics DIMMI, spasibo za photki

[_GDS_]

Relikt:http://btvt.narod.ru/1/armor_72_80_84/armor_72_80_84.htm

http://btvt.narod.ru/1/zudt/zudt.htm
http://btvt.narod.ru/1/bronja_ukraini/bronja_ukraini.htm

Rogatka:http://btvt.narod.ru/5/rogatka/rogatka.htm

http://btvt.narod.ru/1/armor_world/armor_world2.htm

[void]

The most useful upgrade imo for T-72s would be to bring them all up to the T-72 1989 standard, with K5 armour, wind sensor, and maybe a basic cheap thermal sight.

[DIMMI]

thnx)))

one more unique from http://military.tomsk.ru
helicopters missile systems 9K53 "Luna-MV" (with FROG-7 missile)

http://military.tomsk.ru/blog/201/225/3IimrEJXaf.jpg
First prototyp of 9P114 laucher (from TV)

http://military.tomsk.ru/blog/201/225/kpCZHVhuI4.jpg
Tests of 9P114 with Mi-6RVK (from http://aviastar.org)

http://military.tomsk.ru/blog/201/225/zd9nraJO16.gif
I think that it's first mod of 9P114 and latest 9P114 mod lauchers (first from shirokorad book and second my artists impression)... may be

http://military.tomsk.ru/blog/201/220/Ii0JsiwS5j.gif
And all of FROGs - FROG-7A, FROG-7B, FROG-5, FROG-3, FROG-3 prototyp, FROG-6, FROG-2 and FROG-1

[TheArmenian]

AVTOVAZ's technical museum. Which tank is this?

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/7039/2127741.jpg

More photos at: http://talks.guns.ru/forummessage/15/462656.html

[_Rade]

AVTOVAZ's technical museum. Which tank is this?

Looks like T-80 with the reactive armor removed from the turret.

[_GDS_]

It's the first version of T-80UD, looks at the commanders turet, sight is PZU-7.

[TR1]

Speaking of upgraded tanks:
http://vif2ne.ru/nvk/forum/files/Slava/(090507100825)_IMG_8174_1.jpg
http://vif2ne.ru/nvk/forum/files/Slava/(090507100837)_IMG_8249_1.jpg

These T-72BAs look sharp in the standard camo.

[K-5]

Speaking of upgraded tanks:
http://vif2ne.ru/nvk/forum/files/Slava/(090507100825)_IMG_8174_1.jpg (http://vif2ne.ru/nvk/forum/files/Slava/%28090507100825%29_IMG_8174_1.jpg)
http://vif2ne.ru/nvk/forum/files/Slava/(090507100837)_IMG_8249_1.jpg (http://vif2ne.ru/nvk/forum/files/Slava/%28090507100837%29_IMG_8249_1.jpg)

These T-72BAs look sharp in the standard camo.
Man, is asphalt really cheap in Russia these days or what? (Sorry, I could not help it)

[TR1]

wow I didn't even notice it crumbling.

Well the poster on Vif said they tore it up pretty good. Tanks will do that with no rubber track attachment. Also I thought Russian road building was famously ****ty...

[GazB]

I dunno guys, I may be going out on a limb here but my impression is that it is always cheaper to upgrade an old tank than to build a brand new one, even if it means essentially ripping out the guts and leaving only the outer shell untouched.

The problem is numbers. How many different types of engines and how many different calibres of main gun do they want to retain in service. At the moment they have 100mm rifled ammo for the T-54/-55, 100mm rifled ammo for the BMP-3 that is different and not compatible, 115mm smoothbore ammo for the T-62 and 125mm ammo for the T-64/-72/-80/-90 tanks but some penetrators work with some autoloaders and some do not.
For a 152mm gun that may be fitted to the T-95 two piece ammo will be a requirement rather than an option but for 125mm guns it would be much more efficient to use one piece ammo in an automated turret bustle. Loading would be faster and with cassette like loading loading the vehicle will become faster and safer.

The cost of the best they can design and build is too high to maintain numbers. Even if the PAK-FA enters service before 2020 it will be in small numbers because of the cost and because Russia really has no urgent need for hundreds of 5th gen stealth fighters. With tanks the numbers Russia is allowed in European Russia is restricted by the CFE treaty, which when the other signatory countries actually pull finger and sign Russia will be bound by again. The best solution is a traditional Soviet solution. The combination of numbers and quality. That leads to BMPs for quality and BTRs for numbers. Su-27s for quality and Mig-29s for numbers. PAK-FA for quality Su-27BM/Su-35 and possibly Mig-29SMT/M2 or Mig-35 for numbers. T-95 for the best of the best and T-90 for numbers.

Regarding mention of using T-62s when using HE in the direct fire role against positions the target will not notice the difference during the daytime between a t-62 and t-72. Both would be effective to 5km or more in the direct fire role with HE rounds in daylight conditions and the HE difference would not really be noticed by the target. The T-62 however probably has lots of ammo stockpiled that can only be used by a T-62 whereas the 125mm ammo for the T-72 can be fired from a cheap old model T-72 or an upgraded to the hilt T-90 with all sorts of muzzle reference systems and thermal sights. Although it is the same round all the bits in the T-90 should make it more effective than the T-72 at delivering that round.
At the end of the day it makes more sense to use up the stockpiled 115mm smoothbore ammo in training and in low intensity operations than use a more modern tank.


Especially if production capacity is limited as with the T-90's.

That is the point. The T-90 will be Russias main tank. It doesn't need lots urgently but it needs to be able to produce lots of tanks as it will eventually replace older tanks in the tank park. If you just spend all your money on upgrades of existing vehicles you might lose your ability to produce new tanks because the workers have been poached to other factories and the knowledge has gone.
Upgrades are a good way to keep the leading edge going because they are thinking of things that can be added to new tanks too. Brand new tanks can have things built into them from the start which should make them more effective. Without the upgrades of course these new technologies might never have been developed.

In the end it will benefit the Russians to gift their T-54/-55s and T-62s to countries that still use them. They could apply some upgrades to them before they gift them, so they are not giving crap (keep potential customer happy), but they could also manipulate the upgrade for their own purposes. Giving a T-55 a Black Eagle upgrade with a T-72 turret and 125mm gun might convince the recipient they want some more tanks with 125mm guns. Or it might make sense to fit them with 100mm rifled guns and gift them all the 100mm ammo for T-54/-55 tanks in storage.


By concurrently upgrading older tanks a situation of rapid production can be achieved where Russia would essentially be bringing into service 2 sets of modern MBT's in parallel (one line through upgrades, the other through new production), rather than relying on just one production line which produces T-90's in serial.

It is my understanding that the Russian Army wants to continue its hi/low program of expensive tank (ie T-64/T-80) plus cheap but capable tank (T-72/T-90). In this case however the T-90 will be the cheap mass produced tank to replace older models and generally raise the average age of in service tanks, while the T-95 will be the capable but expensive tank that is produced in smaller numbers. It is probably the quickest way to improve the tank fleet quickly without breaking the bank.


You can't just keep upgrading stuff, if you are ahead stay ahead. There is only so much upgrades you can do with an old tank till in the end it is absolutely obsolete.

Plus if all the funding goes into upgrades then where will the money come from to mass produce tanks when you need it?


To be honest I'm not happy with the Russian military-industrial complex; I'm not happy with any of this. I mean just look at us - a once proud country, now busy feeding off the tit of Soviet military and technological accomplishments, rehashing past glories but coming up with few innovations and leaps of its own.

Considering the funding levels and the removal of factories that are now in former Soviet Republics the last two decades have been a repeat of 1941-1942 for the Russians. The fact that it still survives shows its strength.


T-90, Su-30MK, Su-35, MiG-35, etc... all of it is just re-cycled material; old tech given a PimpMyRide-style facelift, integrated with modern advances and then given a new production line.

And how many really new systems have we seen appear from the west?
The reality is that at the same time there was no money and companies and factories were torn to bits by the seperation of the former soviet republics there was also the problem that there was no threat that nuclear weapons couldn't handle. There was an enormous surplus of cold war material to use up or deal with. A large amount probably still remains.


What is the point of manufacturing Su-35's as a stop-gap measure until the arrival of the PAK-FA (also just around the corner relatively speaking)?

It is not a stopgap measure. The Su-35 will continue to operate as the PAK-FA enters service. The PAK-FA will not be cheap. Even the USAF can only afford 189 F-22s. The Russian AF will not have hundreds or thousands of PAK-FAs within the next 20 years or so. Numbers are needed to cover such a vast area and the Su-35 and likely the Mig-31 and some variant of the Mig-29 will cover the gaps and fill the roles left by all the aircraft that have been retired.


Would it not be far more logical to simply create a cost-effective upgrade, not too expensive but that can be fitted onto existing models and give them 80-90% the capabilities of new, fresh off the press Su-35's? Actually such an upgrade already exists to my knowledge, so why waste time and money with Su-35 production?

The Su-35 will likely mostly be upgrades of existing airframes. Some new aircraft will no doubt be built too, but the reason it is called Su-27BM is because it is an upgrade.


Now of course there are arguments such as the fact that the industry must always move on and create new models in order to advance. I would argue that if more research was focussed onto next-generation technology and building prototypes instead of these half-assed re-packagings of old tech; we would already be at the next level or at least closer to it.

I would suggest you look very closely at old soviet era Mig-29s and the surface of a Mig-35. The difference in quality is clear. The required level of fit and finish for a stealth aircraft is incredibly strict. Creating new upgrades is one thing. Experience in mass production of high quality aircraft using the latest techniques and the latest materials is something you can't get from a book.


Of course I see the value of building the MiG-35's, etc... for export; which is exactly what should be done, rather than purchasing it for domestic use when our current capabilities will last us until the next gen of equipment is ready for production.

With its 360 degree electro optics system the Mig-35 is probably only second to the Su-34 in air to ground capability... in fact its awareness of ground based targets is probably better than the Su-34.
Not every fighter needs to be a 20 ton plus huge thing. During training with the Indians the USAF mentioned that small agile fighters were found to be far more effective than expected... and they were talking about Mig-21-93s.

Another point is that the cheaper with the more expensive concept also adds the fact that sophisticated systems on the more expensive item can be transfered eventually to the cheaper system to improve it further and increase commonality. The Su-35 might end up with the AESA radar that is eventually fitted to the PAK-FA for example. A new more powerful engine fitted to the T-95 could eventually be adapted to the T-90 etc etc.
AFAIK the best thermal imager available to the Russians is the Catherine Thermal sight. One assumes they are working in secret on a new system for the T-95 though it might enter service with a Catherine. Later the Russians with Thales of France might develop a newer thermal sight based on new technology to fit to the T-95.


very cool pics DIMMI, spasibo za photki

X2 Very nice pics there mate. :)

[kopapaka]

http://military.tomsk.ru/blog/201/222/A7GglpZcMR.jpg (http://military.tomsk.ru/blog/201/222/A7GglpZcMR.jpg)
experimental FROG-6 (Br-226-I launcher). Base - YaAZ-214? missile - short 3R10. Not in production or service, only tests.FROG-6 no experimental, practice

[RuLavan]

That is the point. The T-90 will be Russias main tank. It doesn't need lots urgently but it needs to be able to produce lots of tanks as it will eventually replace older tanks in the tank park.

In 2008 was produced about 175 of T-90A, but only 62 of them for Russian army.

[TheArmenian]

Fresh photo from the last parade rehearsal today.

I hope Vitaly (Dzhaga-Dzhaga) is there taking interesting news shots.

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/4256/2129304.jpg
Il-78, Tu-95 and Mig-29 SMT

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/4281/2129086.jpg
Mi-28

[DIMMI]

FROG-6 no experimental, practice

wow... yes?
links? sites? refs?
I don't know... I search web and interested many many years... I don't know

any source of information, please...

one more - I think that FAS.org have mistake because they haven't information... and Jane's also have mistake

in newest history of russian missiles we (here in Russia) haven't any information about "training "Luna"" (FROG-6 in western sources)

[GazB]

In 2008 was produced about 175 of T-90A, but only 62 of them for Russian army.

The T-90 really doesn't need to start mass production till existing obsolete tanks are dealt with. It would make sense to upgrade the T-90 design as far as it can possibly go using upgrades and new technology and then setting that standard for the next 5 years or so and start producing them in numbers. In 5 years time a new upgrade could be put together, or like with the previous set up... the T-64/T-72 mix was replaced by the T-80/T-72 mix. For the next 5 years the mix could be T-95/T-90 but in 5 years time it might be that the T-90 is replaced with an all new tank that replaces it as the cheap model but with a better gun or better armour or better crew layout or whatever, or it might be that the T-95 is replaced and the T-90 gets a lot of the high tech stuff the T-95 had while the new tank has next gen stuff... electric drive with gas turbine engine and electric armour and a plasma propellent EM gun or something.

[kopapaka]

links? sites? refs?http://www.palba.cz/viewtopic.php?t=2814
"Енциклопедиа отеčественного ракетного оруžия 1817-2002" А. Šирикорад...
EDIT:
wow... yes? .. yes? no? :-(

[DIMMI]

http://www.palba.cz/viewtopic.php?t=2814
"Енциклопедиа отеčественного ракетного оруžия 1817-2002" А. Šирикорад...
EDIT: .. yes? no? :-(

no

it's mistake (opechatka) from Shirokorad pics and tipically (about FROG-6) western mistake with photo from St.Zaloga books - I thinking that it's mistake - later I can write because

sorry for my English

I think that this paragraph Shirokorad wrote (and took the photos) on the basis of the books of Steven Zaloga, and Steven in their conclusions based on fragmentary data and some photos from the American recon archives. At the same time, in later editions Shirokorad this paragraph no. As there is no mention of any training options of "Luna," but there is a reference version of the wheel launcher chassis YaAZ-214 ... and there is no reference to 6 x 6 launchers on the chassis ZIL. Hence the photo is YaAZ-214 and the fact that earlier in the West called the FROG-6 and that is actually called the Br-226-I.

Also this
http://military.tomsk.ru/blog/201/222/UZcqMvIzN0.jpg
and this
http://military.tomsk.ru/blog/201/222/GgYcpMZczM.jpg
is NOT "Luna-M" (like early shirokorad books). It's "Luna" - latest experimental mod... before "Luna-M". I think that is real tru

[Mormaeglin]

Heavy mili-tech all the time, someone give fotki of soldiers please ;) or some camo for me to identify :)

[XRR496]

Parade repetition in Rostov-on-Don/Yekaterinburg

http://vif2ne.ru/nvk/forum/0/print/1811447.htm
http://vif2ne.ru/nvk/forum/0/print/1811591.htm

[Timmy!]

VDV commander Lieutenant-General Valery Yevtukhovich has been fired Interfax reports. Age (55 years) cited as reason.
There are rumours Shamanov will be next VDV commander

[XRR496]

Ka-50 flight demonstration... rare video


http://www.youtube.com/v/y0kOfRaTsYs&hl=ru&fs=1

[Mangol]

smilep-)

http://www.ljplus.ru/img4/a/_/a_bdpyr/strate.jpg

[Wiedzmin]

http://www.rcforum.ru/modules.php?name=Forums&file=download&id=340812

interesting Btr 80 (osvetitel' i pricel)

[Prolix]

Ka-50 flight demonstration... rare video


http://www.youtube.com/v/y0kOfRaTsYs&hl=ru&fs=1

Not that rare, for those who are interested Eagle Dynamics- makers of the DCS Ka-50 simulator did their own take on this video.

http://www.youtube.com/v/tBuodk6oRhU&hl=en&fs=1&hd=1

Video download here (http://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/index.php?end_pos=133&scr=products&lang=en) LLTM FrazerDemo

[zanuda]

The senior sergeant of militia Vyacheslav Vorobyov during February fight in Nazran the first has got into a house court yard where insurgents disappeared, but it has appeared cut off from assault group. Has caused fire on itself, having received 16 severe wounds, but could correct fire and has provided success of operation. Today it has received the Star of the Hero of Russia.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhufEreIDNo

[dzhaga-dzhaga]

Fresh photo from the last parade rehearsal today.

I hope Vitaly (Dzhaga-Dzhaga) is there taking interesting news shots.


:-( unfortunatelly not, i was busy

[dzhaga-dzhaga]

Two videos i took during the last evening rehearsal on 3-rd of May.

http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/E8y3UI6DGOg

The military vehicles showed in the video:
1. Road police and MP cars
2. Engineering vehicles (do not take part in the parade, but are used for repairs and evacuation in the case of breakdown or mulfunction during the moving)
- Engineering vehicle on URAL-4320 chassis
- Kamaz tanks carrier
- BREM-1
- KET-T on MAZ-537 chassis
3. UAZ 3151
4. GAZ Tigr
5. BTR-80
6. BMP-3
7. T-90
8. BMD-4




http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/aFs2lnDgJQE


The military vehicles showed in the video:
1. UAZ-3151
2. Sprut-SD
3. Msta-S
4. Buk-M2
5. 9A39 loading vehicle for Buk complex
6. BM-30 Smerch
7. S-300
8. S-400
9. Iskander-M
10. 9T250 loading vehicle for Iskander-M
11. RT-2PM Topol
12. 15T382 Support and refueling vehicle

[-Julik- 4.GdKp]

Chinese businessmen host dinner to honor Russian war veterans

http://visualrian.com/storage/PreviewWM/3917/71/391771.jpg?1241693249

http://visualrian.com/lists/item/34627

[GTX-Typhoon]

Hi, hi all.

Since we are on the tank topic, i will post some artist impressions which some i may have posted before but certainly are worth reposting IMO.

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc123/Hawkwood_777/140716_tank.jpg

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc123/Hawkwood_777/t958sxur3zo2.jpg

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc123/Hawkwood_777/9898.jpg

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc123/Hawkwood_777/t-95-c.jpg

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc123/Hawkwood_777/wallpaperalienstank16nm.jpg

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc123/Hawkwood_777/ATS%20weapons/bl__228_.jpg

Then my question is: What is the source for the last 2 images i posted? (Its from my photobucket account i know but where did it came from originaly?)

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Now for some random pics:

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc123/Hawkwood_777/Russian%20weapons/1236429751810.jpg

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc123/Hawkwood_777/Russian%20weapons/1236276306065.jpg

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc123/Hawkwood_777/Russian%20weapons/1232106198893.jpg

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Now for a final yet critical question:

Where can i see the parade live on the Internet? If that is possible, what will be the time be when it begins? (I need to know local time and if possible, CET cause i live in the NL)

Over 10.000.000 views! Russia ZSTRONG!! :D (RomanS must be realy proud)

[Revive]

Chinese businessmen host dinner to honor Russian war veterans



http://visualrian.com/lists/item/34627
why? i cant find the article from RIAN

[Saiga12]

DAMN awesome Mi8
For what does it need 2 Eyes ?

[Ronguild]

http://www.rcforum.ru/modules.php?name=Forums&file=download&id=340812

interesting Btr 80 (osvetitel' i pricel)

There is a LRF above the KPVT machine gun.

[TR1]

ahh the infamous telepoozik (telletubby) Mi-8.

[TR1]

http://www.rcforum.ru/modules.php?name=Forums&file=download&id=340812

interesting Btr 80 (osvetitel' i pricel)
wow nice find, what designation is that, are all 80s going to be made with this turrret?

[Saiga12]

ahh the infamous telepoozik (telletubby) Mi-8.

oO why infamous ????

[TR1]

Because it looks terrible ;)

[_GDS_]

smilep-)

http://www.ljplus.ru/img4/a/_/a_bdpyr/strate.jpg

new mod for sudden strike? but wait, it's too realistic.
btw, it seems some of "damaged" vehicles need repairs and soldiers need medics.

hell yeah, sleeping bear is STRONG!!! 10.000.000 views shows it perfectly.

[Hyde]

Why are they fielding BTR-80s when they have the BTR-90?

[SniperLane]

:cantbeli:

[Luber]

Fresh photo from the last parade rehearsal today.

I hope Vitaly (Dzhaga-Dzhaga) is there taking interesting news shots.

Il-78, Tu-95 and Mig-29 SMT


Mi-28

Nice photo :)

This is my version of the parade rehearsal. Cut Today

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Py3lfIqzijc

[xav]

I read development of MTLB SOSNA-R is completed.

Will russia army order it? Or is it for export sales only?

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=74179&stc=1&d=1241730090

[TR1]

I am very jealous, wish I could be there to watch it :(.

[Hyde]

:cantbeli:

'You talking to me?

[LEGEND]

smilep-)

http://www.ljplus.ru/img4/a/_/a_bdpyr/strate.jpg


AffiRRmative...
FoR the Union...
;)

[mannelig]

Nice photo :)

This is my version of the parade rehearsal. Cut Today

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Py3lfIqzijc

That`s awesome video!!!!woot

[MZKT]

Why are they fielding BTR-80s when they have the BTR-90?

Casue BTR-90 is expensive.

[Saiga12]

Casue BTR-90 is expensive.

:bash::-*$

[-Fighter-]

http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=282249&cid=5

Russian border guards in Abhazia and SO. You can see the new border guard camo.

[Hyde]

Casue BTR-90 is expensive.

Yeah, but it provides way better protection than BTR-80, the 80 just guards you against small arms fire, the 90 protects you from heavy machine guns and at least 20mm as well. Btr-80 encounters a BMP-2= pwnage. Btr-90 encounters a Bmp-2= survival or even the possibility to defeat it.

[TakeIt]

Amazing what you can find on-line:

Deactivated prototype of Ak-109, taken from TGR, ~2k $$:
http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/4450/2096872.jpg
http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/3455/2096874.jpg
http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/6978/2096902.jpg

:) Who needs spies when all eventually find it's way to the net?

[void]

I dont think you can keep the mechanism of a rifle secret, at least not by the time they are accepted into service and produced in the hundreds of thousands.

[GazB]

DAMN awesome Mi8
For what does it need 2 Eyes ?
Just guessing but one will provide night and all weather stereo view for pilot and other will be for aiming guided weapon for weapons officer in other seat.
It means one crew can be guiding weapons while the pilot can still look around and fly the aircraft at night safely.

Or it is possible they are evaluating two optics turrets, but I think the above makes more sense. Note on the Mi-28N there is a small ball just below the thimble nose for the pilots view of the world. In production models it seems to have 5 windows for optics and lasers and night vision. Below it is a large drum like optics for the gunner. Each is independant and allows both crew to look at different things at the same time which is obviously very important.


Why are they fielding BTR-80s when they have the BTR-90?

Just as a battle taxi the BTR-80 and BTR-80A are good vehicles. They are cheap enough to be deployed widely and offer most of the advantages that the BTR-90 does in the battle taxi role. A laser rangefinder should improve its performance at stand off supporting roles where it has dropped off troops and then retreats while they attack what they are supposed to be attacking. The BTR-90 doesn't have enough armour to move with infantry so it would operate in a similar manner as a support vehicle for the troops it has just delivered. The BTR-90 however can also be used on its own in some operations where the opposition doesn't have ATGMs. From 600m or more it can accurately kill targets while remaining outside RPG range and is protected from 50 cal weapons too. The BTR-80 would have to operate further back than that so a laser rangefinder is more useful as it makes longer range support more effective.


Casue BTR-90 is expensive.

Brief and to the point as usual. The BTR series was always the cheap option to make up numbers. When western forces had lots of low priority units that would be transported by truck the Soviets used the BTR to get their infantry mechanised more quickly than they ever could if they only used the much more expensive BMP. The BMP is far more expensive than contemporary western APCs like the M113 and FV 432. To transport all their troops in BMPs would have broken the budget. Hense the BTR-60, which is basically an armoured truck with amphibious capability was designed. The twin engine design was because the engine used was widely used in trucks and was cheap and reliable. The problems it caused with transmission meant there were issues in keeping them running but the problem was solved by the BTR-80 with a single diesel engine taking over. They could have used one engine from the start but the point was that two less powerful widely available engines was cheaper.


Yeah, but it provides way better protection than BTR-80, the 80 just guards you against small arms fire, the 90 protects you from heavy machine guns and at least 20mm as well. Btr-80 encounters a BMP-2= pwnage. Btr-90 encounters a Bmp-2= survival or even the possibility to defeat it.

BTR is delivery vehicle for the troops to fight on foot. Start using it as a platform to fight from and its thin armour will show... no matter what model you use. BMP and BTR take to to the place of battle or takes you out of it, but you fight on foot when you get there with the APC providing support unless the enemy is a few guys with rifles.


Amazing what you can find on-line:

Or an animation showing how it actually works like here...

http://world.guns.ru/assault/as07-e.htm

Esp. 3rd image down.

[K-5]

Su-122-54, last of the kind.
http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/5227/83914197.jpg
http://pblinov.narod.ru/krasnSU122/su122.html

[Digimon]

Perhaps of interest... the new symbol of the Presidential power in Russia (the seal of the "Commander-in-Chief" or эмблема верховного главнокомандующего)

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/5739/kmo108007000011t208.jpg

[Vityaz]

Perhaps of interest... the new symbol of the Presidential power in Russia (the seal of the "Commander-in-Chief" or эмблема верховного главнокомандующего)

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/5739/kmo108007000011t208.jpg
Seksy. I like the Prussian-ness with the marshal's baton. So what does this mean, Medvedev gets this patch on his jacket when he inspects the Topols?

[Digimon]

Seksy. I like the Prussian-ness with the marshal's baton. So what does this mean, Medvedev gets this patch on his jacket when he inspects the Topols?

Exactly that... document seal as well. The baton is based on the Field Marshal Baton of the Russian Imperial army.... but given that Russian military traditions had been originally framed by the Germans and Prussians, then yes... it is probably traceable to Prussia.

[Mormaeglin]

I dont think you can keep the mechanism of a rifle secret, at least not by the time they are accepted into service and produced in the hundreds of thousands.

AK 107/108 were not fielded yet (and I doubt that ever will as those awtomaty aren't so much better than AK-74M), so I assume that were produced in small numbers, so to speak AK-109 must be total rarity.

[Mormaeglin]

... it is probably traceable to Prussia.

Of course it is ;P

[jaybe]

Of course it is ;P

But pupils were better than teachers :)

[TakeIt]

I dont think you can keep the mechanism of a rifle secret, at least not by the time they are accepted into service and produced in the hundreds of thousands.

I wasn't speaking about that Ak in particular. Especially considering that balanced recoil was advertised on many arms expo's.

Yet again, it is one of the only 3(afaik) prototypes that were built.

[RuLavan]

Yesterday, doing some researches in open sources p-), I made a photo album of the 33th independent motorifle brigade (mountain) located in Botlih, Dagestan. It's one of the newest Russian brigades, formed in 2006 from the scratch with an all-new base. This contract brigade give us an interesting insight of the Russian planned future standards of military base.

Base located in a very remote mountain region, near the border with the Chechen republic
http://s54.radikal.ru/i146/0905/c5/8495b0c58f80.jpg
http://i077.radikal.ru/0905/5f/9bb4109c4758.jpg
http://s56.radikal.ru/i153/0905/12/ab17cb2a53ec.jpg
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http://s44.radikal.ru/i104/0905/8d/86dc0460e009.jpg
http://s45.radikal.ru/i109/0905/65/534ffa72b734.jpg
http://s46.radikal.ru/i112/0905/7f/94ddd36c303c.jpg

Base at night
http://s40.radikal.ru/i088/0905/4a/280afe78338c.jpg

Perimeter
http://s51.radikal.ru/i134/0905/12/586aed4fff9e.jpg

Inside of barracks for privates and sergants
http://s41.radikal.ru/i091/0905/e3/774d42af6b28.jpg
http://s39.radikal.ru/i085/0905/44/84d83c5a684e.jpg
http://s60.radikal.ru/i167/0905/04/300f55467026.jpg
http://s54.radikal.ru/i143/0905/08/0821d0f8e59e.jpg

Stadium of brigade
http://s44.radikal.ru/i105/0905/db/45c43e6f35ef.jpg

Light weapons
http://s57.radikal.ru/i155/0905/d2/47cb9763758c.jpg
http://s43.radikal.ru/i102/0905/c8/2a6d6af77da5.jpg

More heavy weapons :)
http://s40.radikal.ru/i088/0905/24/37dbe102a93f.jpg

Unfinished yet hangars
http://s59.radikal.ru/i166/0905/8a/e11a9366a77b.jpg
http://s45.radikal.ru/i110/0905/3e/5c6f8a8af754.jpg
http://s44.radikal.ru/i104/0905/9e/df85181ddca5.jpg

Artillery of brigade
http://s39.radikal.ru/i083/0905/e5/fad8c7130a14.jpg
http://s57.radikal.ru/i156/0905/a5/84aa24cd057e.jpg

Modernized MT-LB 6MB, with new turret
http://i077.radikal.ru/0905/9d/75e853d9223a.jpg
http://s40.radikal.ru/i088/0905/40/17493f3a87da.jpg
http://s41.radikal.ru/i093/0905/40/734e1bfff2bb.jpg
http://s54.radikal.ru/i145/0905/53/3c504e24864b.jpg

AAA and counter-insurgency infantry support weapon
http://s53.radikal.ru/i141/0905/1a/b2ec57ae3bde.jpg
http://i057.radikal.ru/0905/95/9f36b1fc5548.jpg
http://i075.radikal.ru/0905/50/b807981e8f37.jpg

Something strange, command or radio vehicle
http://i008.radikal.ru/0905/d8/ced3b93ecbc9.jpg

Going in mountains...
http://s49.radikal.ru/i124/0905/0c/c6048b90654a.jpg
http://i042.radikal.ru/0905/61/fc6a7c3037fb.jpg

Dogs squad and dogs training range
http://s42.radikal.ru/i095/0905/b2/30f6724de39a.jpg

[piton_kaa]

Dogs squad and dogs training range
http://s42.radikal.ru/i095/0905/b2/30f6724de39a.jpg
Nice terrier=)

[103]

Su-122-54, last of the kind.
http://pblinov.narod.ru/krasnSU122/su122.html
Interesting, the road wheels spacing looks similar to T-62.

[Husar-T]

Interesting pictures Rulavan. Thanks.

[K-5]

Yesterday, doing some researches in open sources p-), I made a photo album of the 33th independent motorifle brigade (mountain) located in Botlih, Dagestan. It's one of the newest Russian brigades, formed in 2006 from the scratch with an all-new base. This contract brigade give us an interesting insight of the Russian planned future standards of military base.

Hot damn!! Dorms I am in are a cardboard slums compared to those rooms. Good for them and their families.

[Figurant]

Of course it is ;P
Ja ja, natürlich. :)
Of course a lot of military traditions and vestimentary elements were inspired by Prussian ideas and uniforms, and not only in Russia alone.
But (just in order to make a minor historical point straight) the marshal's baton is not a Prussian tradition.
If anything, it's a symbol of (military) supreme/local command authority that directly comes from the Roman Republic/Empire (the baton of the tribuni militum - military tribunes - and the baton of the military legatus acting as imperatores - which originally means, as everone knows, not emperor but military commander-in-chief/"general" - that was meant to symbolise the executive authority of the commander bestowed by the Senate/the Emperor).

As Roman structures and history were all hype in 18th/19th century Europe, all the marshals got batons modeled on the Roman original, be it in France, Prussia, Italy, Spain, Russia etc.
The laurel/oak crown on the aforementioned emblem (and scores of military emblems of all nations) is, needless to say, also of Roman origin.

[Digimon]

...of Roman origin.
good to know, thanks

[jaybe]

http://www.photoshare.ru/original/photoshare.ru-3195562.jpg

[Konst]

http://www.ellf.ru/uploads/posts/2009-05/1241716275_1.jpg

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http://www.ellf.ru/uploads/posts/2009-05/1241716233_11.jpg

http://www.ellf.ru/world/25790-generalnaya-repeticiya-parada-pobedy-13-foto.html

[Bachelor]

Great Victory Day coming....

http://www.getsmile.com/emoticons/sports-smileys-41523/fireworks.gif http://www.getsmile.com/emoticons/sports-smileys-41523/fireworks.gif http://www.getsmile.com/emoticons/sports-smileys-41523/fireworks.gif



http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/5048/68855.jpg



http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/1084/19411027stalin.jpg

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/5808/19430104stalin.jpg

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/9582/19450205stalin.jpg

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/8223/19400715molotov.jpg

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/127/19431025molotov.jpg

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/5595/19421214zhukov.jpg

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http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/5344/19411013budenny.jpg

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http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/781/19430222golikov.jpg

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http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/7600/19440731novikov.jpg

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/1860/19431227sergii.jpg

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/3927/19450514victory.jpg

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/6205/1945pravdabw.jpg

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/6725/1945krzvezdabw.jpg

[Pantsyr]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87MRYpW5BPw

[Konst]

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/6076/normal9maypictures59.jpg (http://img99.imageshack.us/my.php?image=normal9maypictures59.jpg)

[jaybe]

http://art-apple.ru/displayimage.php?album=46&pos=1

works now

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=74231&stc=1&d=1241787694

[Ronguild]

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/5344/19411013budenny.jpg


Semyon BUDENNY does not desserve to be with real heroes of the WWII. He has been the worst CIC the USSR ever had, he was only thinking in cavalry. This guy led 1,5 million red army soldiers to german prisonners camp.

[Timmy!]

http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/701/statue.jpg

[Figurant]

Semyon BUDENNY does not desserve to be with real heroes of the WWII. He has been the worst...
While agreeing with you from a historical/analytical POW, I do not think that we have personally the authority to judge who deserves what, especially on the eve of this Day. We can have a point of view, though ;)
My humble self will spend tomorrow celebrating, but now I would like to remind us all what we owe to the greatest and most important conqueror, peacemaker and liberator, i.e. him:
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_jmXc5Zw3OGs/RznDtXF4MdI/AAAAAAAAAqQ/wSOfR7F2Rlg/s640/IMG_0380.jpg

and the price paid by those who acted like her to save us all, regardless of race, beliefs and political sympathies:
http://www.kultura-portal.ru/servlet/XGetDBPicServlet?xpub_id=60883&img_id=1
(Here is the aftermath that I do not want to embed directly: http://newlit.ru/images/articles/3687.jpg).

in order to put an final end, all over the world, and for ever, to this:
http://www.epochtimes.ru/images/stories/01/differents/105_07011616.jpg

[mV-]

in order to put an final end

You should put an end on hotlinking too since mods very allergic on this.

[AlexMartin2]

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/5819/f289b0981d948e83be0ce1b.jpg (http://img11.imageshack.us/my.php?image=f289b0981d948e83be0ce1b.jpg)

[Bachelor]

Semyon BUDENNY does not desserve to be with real heroes of the WWII. He has been the worst CIC the USSR ever had, he was only thinking in cavalry. This guy led 1,5 million red army soldiers to german prisonners camp.
http://www.getsmile.com/emoticons/funny-smileys-68129/angry8.gif
Are you colleague, contemporary of Semyon Budenny or the Expert in Military History of the Soviet Army? If not that sitting and be silent...

He was real Hero of WW1and WWII. He was on of participants of defense of Moscow in 1941. And about "led" Soviet soldier to Germans camps... We can talk about that for all Soviet leaders... If we talk about Allied soldiers in "Market Garden" that Montgomery and Eisenhower "let" the soldiers to Germans "Sanatoriums"... Or... Paulus "let" German soldiers to Soviet "tree felling" in Siberia... It's rubbish! We can talk that about each commander Soviet, German, French, Polish, Finnish, Japanese, US, UK... Enough?
Budyonny exaggerated The Cavalry role in war, but at the same time supported army modernisation, suggested to create incorporated units of cavalry and mechanized. Do you know about Cavalry in US Army? How many US Cavalry unt. was in Europe in 1943-45? (in RU note) Do you know about 8 SS-Kavallerie-Division „Florian Geyer“?

Anyway you talklies and doesn't know what talk about... Just read historical documents (not Propagation of SU and anti-Soviet) and open your mind.
Or read Wikipedia in Russian Language that not in English with "filtration" for especially Foreign readers...

Link in Ru - full information : http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%B5%D0%BC%D1%91%D0%BD_%D0%91%D1%83%D0%B4%D1%91%D0%BD%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9

Link in En - "filtered" and truncated : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semyon_Budyonny

About US Cavalry units in Europe in 1943-45.. Sorry in RU...
Link:
http://www.sudden-strike.ru/history/detail.php?ID=3388

[TheArmenian]

The guns of our fathers and grandfathers

On the eve of the Great Victory, here is a photo-collection of some of the firearms used by our forefathers.

Respect to them.
May they rest in peace.

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Part I : Mosin

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i253/tozman/Mosin/664667.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i253/tozman/Mosin/mosin-19.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i253/tozman/Mosin/701040.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i253/tozman/Mosin/1792157.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i253/tozman/Mosin/1804073.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i253/tozman/Mosin/1798621.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i253/tozman/Mosin/1834772.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i253/tozman/Mosin/1974585.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i253/tozman/Mosin/1908605.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i253/tozman/Mosin/2044517.jpg

[TheArmenian]

Part II: DP-27

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i253/tozman/milsurp/2113620.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i253/tozman/milsurp/2113622.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i253/tozman/milsurp/2041170.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i253/tozman/milsurp/2041172.jpg

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http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i253/tozman/milsurp/DP-27-3.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i253/tozman/milsurp/1839500.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i253/tozman/milsurp/DP-27-1.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i253/tozman/milsurp/dp-27.jpg

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http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i253/tozman/milsurp/1526351.jpg

[TheArmenian]

Part III: PTRS & PTRD

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i253/tozman/milsurp/1615756.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i253/tozman/milsurp/PTRSSimonov.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i253/tozman/milsurp/PTRS.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i253/tozman/milsurp/1867366.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i253/tozman/milsurp/1886603.jpg

[TheArmenian]

Part IV: PPSh

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i253/tozman/milsurp/1847387.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i253/tozman/milsurp/1847389.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i253/tozman/milsurp/1847436.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i253/tozman/milsurp/1680490.jpg

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http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i253/tozman/milsurp/1588303.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i253/tozman/milsurp/1588331.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i253/tozman/milsurp/1588305.jpg

[TheArmenian]

Part V : SVT-38 & SVT-40

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i253/tozman/SVT-40/2113696.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i253/tozman/SVT-40/2113692.jpg

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http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i253/tozman/SVT-40/tokarevSVT-21.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i253/tozman/SVT-40/tokarevSVT-20.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i253/tozman/SVT-40/tokarevSVT-18.jpg

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