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AlexMartin2
06-15-2009, 10:41 AM
Hungarian air company Malev orders 30 Sukhoi SSJ-100 for 1 bln $ on Le Bourge

Sukhoi certainly need to expand its production lines as fast as possible. Planes orders are already exceeded 200.

Mousepad
06-15-2009, 10:44 AM
Sukhoi certainly need to expand its production lines as fast as possible. Planes orders are already exceeded 200.

Any info on domestic orders? I "dowant" to travel in Pininfarina salon.

AlexMartin2
06-15-2009, 10:47 AM
Well, I have only from Wiki :)
Russian companies ordered 80 planes. Quite good amount I think.

sepheronx
06-15-2009, 10:50 AM
Date of the article...

So? There is really no word on the project, but there is stuff flowing out of Mikoyan, like the Mig-35 with technology used from the space industry and alike. They don't talk about Mig SKAT program or anything else. I mean, they used to come up with a lot of technology and projects, but now, what? I don't think Mikoyan is in that much financial trouble, unless Sukhoi stole everything from them.

Serenity
06-15-2009, 11:11 AM
http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/1360/57307345.jpg (http://img44.imageshack.us/i/57307345.jpg/)

Hazard1024
06-15-2009, 11:40 AM
Surpising, but quite a pleasant surprise! I fully expected the SJJ to flop, have crappy sales and fade into obscurity...

GDS
06-15-2009, 11:48 AM
http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/1360/57307345.jpg (http://img44.imageshack.us/i/57307345.jpg/)
Ukrainian:roll:

Xaito
06-15-2009, 12:53 PM
Ukrainian:roll:

no, but repost.

mannelig
06-15-2009, 12:53 PM
Ukrainian:roll:

Where did you see Ukrainian?

Mousepad
06-15-2009, 12:57 PM
Surpising, but quite a pleasant surprise! I fully expected the SJJ to flop, have crappy sales and fade into obscurity...

IIRC, SSJ - profitable at 55% seats taken, TU-204 at 70-75%, leased second-hand A-s and B-s, that our airways use, at 62-65% (if properly serviced, not by fake repair kits) + our brass lately hell-bent on domestic hi-tech and with all this bail-outs have a big say in companies policy, surprise for me was that we got some foreign orders. All in all SSJ - **** YEAH!!! Damn i luuve technology, sell AvtoVAZ to Sukhoi pfffleees

Karpov360
06-15-2009, 01:03 PM
sry deleted

Serenity
06-15-2009, 01:14 PM
More Russian Spetsgruppa A pics:
http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/5407/94058973.th.jpg (http://img31.imageshack.us/my.php?image=94058973.jpg)
http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/7077/25384498.th.jpg (http://img26.imageshack.us/my.php?image=25384498.jpg)
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/4707/92487586.th.jpg (http://img25.imageshack.us/my.php?image=92487586.jpg)
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/2487/41236784.th.jpg (http://img15.imageshack.us/my.php?image=41236784.jpg)
http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/6374/12737582.th.jpg (http://img526.imageshack.us/my.php?image=12737582.jpg)
http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/8749/81481495.th.jpg (http://img524.imageshack.us/my.php?image=81481495.jpg)
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/3157/11661415.th.jpg (http://img25.imageshack.us/my.php?image=11661415.jpg)
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/7813/56775499.th.jpg (http://img15.imageshack.us/my.php?image=56775499.jpg)
http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/3553/56451947.th.jpg (http://img13.imageshack.us/my.php?image=56451947.jpg)

Hyde
06-15-2009, 01:16 PM
IIRC, SSJ - profitable at 55% seats taken, TU-204 at 70-75%, leased second-hand A-s and B-s, that our airways use, at 62-65% (if properly serviced, not by fake repair kits) + our brass lately hell-bent on domestic hi-tech and with all this bail-outs have a big say in companies policy, surprise for me was that we got some foreign orders. All in all SSJ - **** YEAH!!! Damn i luuve technology, sell AvtoVAZ to Sukhoi pfffleees

What about the IL-96? That is a sweet plane, imo.

Mousepad
06-15-2009, 01:30 PM
What about the IL-96? That is a sweet plane, imo.

srry don't have any info on that class of planes, my info was from Russia Business Consulting report on that segment of planes, also IIRC IL-96 only usable outside CIS with Rolls-Royce engines, because of noise restrictions, and we kinda don't produce compatible engines of those class, so it was easyer and faster way to fly on western planes than deeply invest in domestic production, who knows what will come of lately.

Mousepad
06-15-2009, 01:35 PM
I seriously have no words to describe this. It's not connected with weapons or technology, but it's connected with our history. Watch it, guys.

http://www.youtube.com/v/XvHX0bgoouc

How the feck could i've missed it, it's simply awesome, sends goosepimps down the spine, thanks for posting.

Xaito
06-15-2009, 01:46 PM
More Russian Spetsgruppa A pics:
could some of them maybe be Belarus?
Russia doesn't have KGB any more and pic quality looks not like it was shot during soviet times?

TheArmenian
06-15-2009, 01:46 PM
IL-96 fuel consumption per passenger per kilometer, profitability etc. etc. are essentially similar to the Tu-204.

These two airplanes designeded during Soviet times are not as fuel efficient as the latest high tech (composites etc.) Airbuses and Boeings.

The Sukhoi SSJ-100 is the first Russian airplane that matches and even betters the latest Western designs.

Two new Russian passenger planes are being designed nowadays for first flights during 2012-2014. They are:

-The MS-21 (to be built by IRKUT), in various versions with capacities from 150 to 210 passengers. A very high tech aircraft who's fuel consumption will be significantly better than the similar sized latest versions of the Airbus A-320 and Boing 737. http://www.ato.ru/rus/cis/archive/24-2009/aero/aero4/

- A wide body being designed by Tupolev for medium duty high capacity routes. A low tech aircraft with around 250 - 300 seats similar in concept to the IL-86. http://www.ato.ru/rus/cis/archive/24-2009/aero/aero5/

TR1
06-15-2009, 01:53 PM
All aboard the Superjet crazy train!

User_Name
06-15-2009, 01:55 PM
could some of them maybe be Belarus?
Russia doesn't have KGB any more and pic quality looks not like it was shot during soviet times?
The poster missed them with some ukranian and belorussian pics. second last one is with SBU patch

GTR
06-15-2009, 02:23 PM
Russian Sukhoi Superjet 100 World Premiere in Paris Air Show
http://i41.*******.com/a1lnpk.jpg
http://i44.*******.com/xf8fm9.jpg
http://i42.*******.com/2nitgux.jpg
http://i41.*******.com/wbdgzm.jpg

UPD: Today Hungary company Malev annouced that it will buy 30 planes.

JohnnyWalker
06-15-2009, 02:25 PM
Russian Marines - 2007 war games

http://www.youtube.com/v/haSyObFvldU&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0&color1=0x006699&color2=0x54abd6

more

http://www.youtube.com/v/gYf3KESb4yM&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0&color1=0x006699&color2=0x54abd6

xav
06-15-2009, 02:50 PM
http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/3103/image00002z.jpg
http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/4691/image00010w.jpg

Flankerman
06-15-2009, 02:59 PM
-The MS-21 (to be built by IRKUT), in various versions with capacities from 150 to 210 passengers. A very high tech aircraft who's fuel consumption will be significantly better than the similar sized latest versions of the Airbus A-320 and Boing 737. http://www.ato.ru/rus/cis/archive/24-2009/aero/aero4/


I wish Irkut would get their PR correct - it is either an MC-21 (in Cyrillic) or an MS-21 (in Latin/English).

They have an English-language advert is the western press at the moment - calling it the 'MC-21' !!!

Even their website calls it the MC-21 - http://www.irkut.com/en/services/projects/

If they can't even get the designation right - how can they be taken seriously ???

Ken

Hyde
06-15-2009, 03:19 PM
Designation has nothing to do with their ability to build a good plane.

TheArmenian
06-15-2009, 03:41 PM
Keel laying of special purpose ship at Yantar (Kaliningrad).




На судостроительном заводе “Янтарь” в Калининграде 8 июля будет заложен корабль специального назначения для ВМФ России. Об этом корр.ИТАР-ТАСС сегодня в Калининграде сообщил генеральный директор ФГУП “Центральное морское конструкторское бюро “Алмаз” /ЦМКБ/ Александр Шляхтенко. Он не уточнил проект корабля, его характеристики, отметив лишь, что это “будет современный корабль специального назначения для военных моряков”.
По словам Шляхтенко, в ЦМКБ “Алмаз” разработаны и разрабатывается сейчас много новых проектов кораблей для ВМФ, пограничной службы, МЧС России”. В частности, гендиректор конструкторского бюро особо выделил проект новой модификации корвета, который является “кораблем будущего, кораблем 21-го века”.
Речь идет, отметил Шляхтенко о развитии проекта, по которому на “Северной верфи” построен корвет “Стерегущий”, входящий ныне в состав Балтийского флота. “Стерегущий” будет представлен на Международном военно- морском салоне в Санкт-Петербурге 24-28 июня. “Но наш новый фрегат - это абсолютно новая разработка по многим направлениям”, - подчеркнул гендиректор “Алмаза”.
Известно, что корабли проекта “Стерегущего” способны решать самый широкий спектр задач от поиска и уничтожения подводных лодок до нанесения ракетных ударов по боевым кораблям противника и огневой поддержки десанта.
Источник новости: ИТАР-ТАСС


Sounds like a spy-ship designed by ALMAZ. The article also talks about an improved version of the STEREGUSHY corvette.

-Julik- 4.GdKp
06-15-2009, 04:03 PM
The article also talks about an improved version of the STEREGUSHY corvette.

From the second one if i remember correctly.




New radio equipment presentation during an exercise.
http://zvezdanews.ru/video/day_events/0032108/

GazB
06-15-2009, 09:56 PM
I wish Irkut would get their PR correct - it is either an MC-21 (in Cyrillic) or an MS-21 (in Latin/English).

They have an English-language advert is the western press at the moment - calling it the 'MC-21' !!!

Even their website calls it the MC-21 - http://www.irkut.com/en/services/projects/

If they can't even get the designation right - how can they be taken seriously ???

Put it in perspective... it is nothing like the marketing and technical branches confusing metric and imperial measures leading to rockets blowing up when they shouldn't like one famous large and powerful western agency has done.
Whether the customer asks for MS or MC I doubt there will be a problem... they will get the same aircraft and likely call it something completely different in service.

evgenerous
06-16-2009, 04:07 AM
Atomic Icebreakers Vaygach and Taymyr and Su-27 p-)

(Russian knights in Dudinka city - capital of Taymyr Peninsula, Extreme North, near the Norilsk city)

http://b0.imgsrc.ru/t/tand/0/4994530YMi.jpg

http://b0.imgsrc.ru/t/tand/1/4994531ECp.jpg

http://b0.imgsrc.ru/t/tand/6/4994546fvu.jpg

http://b0.imgsrc.ru/t/tand/2/4994552eAe.jpg

http://b0.imgsrc.ru/t/tand/3/4994553ioi.jpg

http://b0.imgsrc.ru/t/tand/8/4994558Som.jpg

http://b0.imgsrc.ru/t/tand/0/4994560UaF.jpg

http://b0.imgsrc.ru/t/tand/2/4994562wgY.jpg

Sevmorput (nuclear-powered merchant vessel)
http://b0.imgsrc.ru/t/tand/7/4994547mZY.jpg
http://b0.imgsrc.ru/t/tand/3/4994573jMw.jpg

More photos: http://imgsrc.ru/tand/a139971.html?

adr1an0
06-16-2009, 04:55 AM
so, what is now with the comparison of the 2 airplanes? SU 27 and MIrage 2000 ?where were it testes ? in brazil ?,,, soory its a few pages back, but i coudnt find a clear answer :|

dorinne wong
06-16-2009, 05:20 AM
nice picture

TheArmenian
06-16-2009, 07:37 AM
More good news for the Sukhoi SSJ.

Avialeasing firms up order for 24 jets.

This brings the total of firm orders to 122 aircraft plus the letter of intent from Malev for 30 SSJs (from yesterday).

http://www.*******.com/article/rbssIndustryMaterialsUtilitiesNews/idUSWEA693720090616

Serenity
06-16-2009, 07:37 AM
I found nice video about Russian Special Ops on youtube :P:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9zcewT7520

mannelig
06-16-2009, 08:17 AM
I found nice video about Russian Special Ops on youtube :P:


O, really? :D
Look few pages back. That`s repost :)

gatkii810
06-16-2009, 10:54 AM
Yak-141 (on classification of NATO — Freestyle) — first and unique in the world of supersonic mnogocelevoy airplane of vertical flight and landing (SVVP), produced serially (development of supersonic SVVP F-35 is presently conducted in the USA). He is intended for the intercept of air aims and conduct of manoeuvre infighting, and also for inflictings blows on surface and surface aims. A destroyer can be exploited from the flight-landings grounds of the limited sizes and in ship terms. Flight is vertical or with short running approach, landing is vertical or with a short run. Exploitation is possible from the damaged air fields. In opinion of specialists, in the moment of creation Yak-141 is LED foreign developments on 15-20 years
:bash:
76584

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zg18
06-16-2009, 12:04 PM
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=76588&d=1245163955

What a beautiful plane ,to bad it didn't enter the service....

sepheronx
06-16-2009, 12:07 PM
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=76588&d=1245163955

What a beautiful plane ,to bad it didn't enter the service....

As long as prototypes exist (and the schematics), then development is not entirely lost. Just alternatives would have to be made. But the tech and development of the plane is old soviet style, that many things would have to probably be changed.

Kunal Biswas
06-16-2009, 01:39 PM
never mind !!

Kunal Biswas
06-16-2009, 02:36 PM
What type of IFV is this (Half BMP and half BRDM).. ??




http://i711.photobucket.com/albums/ww118/KunalBiswas/1-4.jpg?t=1245177108

-Julik- 4.GdKp
06-16-2009, 02:42 PM
http://zvezdanews.ru/video/day_events/army/0032123/

GDS
06-16-2009, 02:46 PM
Kunal Biswas,
«Object 019» armored personnel carrier.
1964
The car has appeared impractical because of low passableness and controllability.

Kunal Biswas
06-16-2009, 02:47 PM
«Object 019» armored personnel carrier.
1964
The car has appeared impractical because of low passableness and controllability.


Thanks for the info ......

Flankerman
06-16-2009, 03:18 PM
Yak-141 (on classification of NATO — Freestyle) — first and unique in the world of supersonic mnogocelevoy airplane of vertical flight and landing (SVVP),


Gatkii810,

I am a big fan of Russian aviation - but the Yak-141 was not the first supersonic VTOL aircraft - the French Mirage IIIV (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Mirage_IIIV) was.

Much as it saddens me to say so, the French got there first !!

(We Brits would have been first - if the Labour government had not cancelled the Hawker P.1154 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawker_Siddeley_P.1154) in 1964.)

Ken

Max Power9999
06-16-2009, 04:24 PM
The director of Sukhoi said today that they are going to start with flight test of Pak Fa in "about 2 years".

shardana
06-16-2009, 05:02 PM
Gatkii810,

I am a big fan of Russian aviation - but the Yak-141 was not the first supersonic VTOL aircraft - the French Mirage IIIV (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Mirage_IIIV) was.

Much as it saddens me to say so, the French got there first !!

(We Brits would have been first - if the Labour government had not cancelled the Hawker P.1154 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawker_Siddeley_P.1154) in 1964.)

Ken
Not the firt supersonic VTOL fighter but anyway anticipating JSF concept of 20 years, the MIRAGE VTOL was an hybrid without any hope of real useful usage.

ult
06-16-2009, 05:04 PM
The director of Sukhoi said today that they are going to start with flight test of Pak Fa in "about 2 years".

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showpost.php?p=4203661&postcount=61
mistranslation

Flankerman
06-16-2009, 05:53 PM
Not the firt supersonic VTOL fighter but anyway anticipating JSF concept of 20 years, the MIRAGE VTOL was an hybrid without any hope of real useful usage.

Nowhere did I say fighter.

It was the worlds first supersonic VTOL aircraft - an aircraft capable of taking off and landing vertically as well as having the ability to exceed Mach 1 in level flight.

I was merely pointing out that it beat the Yak-141 to that title by many years.

Ken

asch
06-16-2009, 07:57 PM
nice collection of "bandwidth exceeded" pics, man. p-)

BoevayaSistema
06-16-2009, 08:01 PM
Some submarine photos, please share if you have some hi-res,

Alfa
http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/8153/27066430.th.jpg (http://img193.imageshack.us/my.php?image=27066430.jpg)
Papa
http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/4418/18935597.th.jpg (http://img196.imageshack.us/my.php?image=18935597.jpg)
Typhoon
http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/1273/48576278.th.jpg (http://img193.imageshack.us/my.php?image=48576278.jpg)
Akula
http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/2852/56593429.th.jpg (http://img196.imageshack.us/my.php?image=56593429.jpg)
Delta IV
http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/5946/67701483.th.jpg (http://img200.imageshack.us/my.php?image=67701483.jpg)

JohnnyWalker
06-16-2009, 08:45 PM
Vitaly has put up more photos on OMSK 2009. Amazing detail. Stuff you won't see unless you go to OMSK yourself.
http://vitalykuzmin.net/?q=node/202

LEGEND
06-16-2009, 10:52 PM
srry don't have any info on that class of planes, my info was from Russia Business Consulting report on that segment of planes, also IIRC IL-96 only usable outside CIS with Rolls-Royce engines, because of noise restrictions, and we kinda don't produce compatible engines of those class, so it was easyer and faster way to fly on western planes than deeply invest in domestic production, who knows what will come of lately.

Il-96 uses Aviadvigatel PS-90 which is a high bypass turbofan and is usable outside of CIS countries. No version of Il-96 has rolls-royce, Il-96M is a development version with Pratt and Whitney engines and western avionics.
PS-90 is also used on the new and reingined Il-76s.

Russianlynxy
06-17-2009, 12:27 AM
I found nice video about Russian Special Ops on youtube :P:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9zcewT7520

I happen to be the author of this video

p-)

JohnnyWalker
06-17-2009, 01:06 AM
I happen to be the author of this video

p-)

yes and I am Chuck Norris

TR1
06-17-2009, 01:45 AM
Vitaly has put up more photos on OMSK 2009. Amazing detail. Stuff you won't see unless you go to OMSK yourself.
http://vitalykuzmin.net/?q=node/202
Wow, those engine photos are really quite nice. Thanks Johnny

spasibo Vitaly, photki lucshe checm vlubem zhurnele.

dzhaga-dzhaga
06-17-2009, 09:42 AM
Wow, those engine photos are really quite nice. Thanks Johnny

spasibo Vitaly, photki lucshe checm vlubem zhurnele.

You are welcome. I'm glad you liked them.

odogg
06-17-2009, 10:31 AM
Please more Pics of mi 28 if its possible, because turkish Military maybe order some of them, Thanks...

JohnnyWalker
06-17-2009, 10:36 AM
Please more Pics of mi 28 if its possible, because turkish Military maybe order some of them, Thanks...

Really? Turkey wants evil Russian helicopters why? Wouldn't it be better to buy Apache's or Cobras or something?
I'm sure Vitaly has some Mi-28 photos.
Is turkey getting a specific mod of the copter?
http://images.google.com/images?q=Mi-28&hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rlz=1R1GGGL_en___US331&sa=N&um=1&imgsz=huge

JohnnyWalker
06-17-2009, 10:38 AM
ehhh nevermind http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?p=4186974

odogg
06-17-2009, 10:41 AM
Thanks JohnnyWalker, Turkish gov, talks a log time to the US Gov for 8 to 12 Ah 1w but the us Gov say that the Marines need every one of them because the 2 wars, the apache is to expensive and we need to build a infrastucture for this new style gunships, therefore the mi s...

JohnnyWalker
06-17-2009, 11:12 AM
deleted for pleasure

Anton_ua
06-17-2009, 01:28 PM
The world championship among snipers (Hungary)

http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/5619/snip1506.jpg



From May, 22 till May, 26th 8-th World championship has been lead to Hungary among snipers of special divisions of army and police.

Category "POLICE"

Personal offset:


1. -ЦСО "A" СБ Ukraine;

2. -Norway;

3. -Bulgaria.


Command offset:


1. -ЦСО "A" СБ Ukraine;

2. -Bulgaria;

3. -Norway.


Category "MILITARY"


1. -Czech Republic;

2. -Russia, РССН УФСБ across Krasnodar territory;

3. -ЦСО "A" СБ Ukraine.


Command offset:


1. -Czech Republic;

2. -Russia, РССН УФСБ across Krasnodar territory;

3. -ЦСО "A" СБ Ukraine.

Congratulations for the second position! :D

http://bratishka.ru/index.php?id=662

blilov
06-17-2009, 03:00 PM
Hey, our special forces(the Bulgarian ones) are very high on that list!

SniperLane
06-17-2009, 03:43 PM
just about to saythe same :) where are you from blilov?

Petrusha
06-17-2009, 07:28 PM
yes and I am Chuck Norris

Sorry Chuck, its true.. he is.

And my youtube acc is slavapycb :)

Universals
06-17-2009, 09:59 PM
From RIANOVOSTI
Under government defense contracts, we have taken delivery of eight Su-27 Flanker fighters, 12 MiG-29 Fulcrum fighters, 12 antiradar missiles, one Soyuz space rocket carrier, two spacecraft, three strategic missiles, 21 surface-to-air missiles, 20 tanks, over 100 armored vehicles and some 2,000 trucks, mainly KamAZ and Urals," said Vladimir Popovkin, a deputy defense minister and head of arms procurements.
Russian Deputy Prime Minister Sergei Ivanov said earlier this month that Russia's defense-related sectors increased production by 2.5% in the first quarter, year-on-year.
Ivanov, who oversees the defense industry as part of his Cabinet tasks, said that defense contracts in 2011-12 would be funded at the same level as in 2009, adding that by then Russia would be in a position to commence full-scale production of new weapons.
Some 1.3 trillion rubles ($41.7 billion) will be spent on arms production this year and a total of 4 trillion rubles ($128 billion) in the 2009-11 period

Universals
06-17-2009, 10:06 PM
I didnt know that Su-27 and MIG-29s are still being produced. I thought they are only upgrading older ones.

Vipidari
06-17-2009, 10:50 PM
I didnt know that Su-27 and MIG-29s are still being produced. I thought they are only upgrading older ones.

I am quite sure those ARE upgraded aircraft.

The Su-27SMs that are scheduled.

And the Algerian MiG-29SMTs :)

Universals
06-17-2009, 11:23 PM
I am quite sure those ARE upgraded aircraft.

The Su-27SMs that are scheduled.

And the Algerian MiG-29SMTs :)


Oh. thanks for clearing that up.

why is space crafts included in defense budget? isn't the Russian civilian space agency sperate from the Rocket forces?

void
06-17-2009, 11:26 PM
Oh. thanks for clearing that up.

why is space crafts included in defense budget? isn't the Russian civilian space agency sperate from the Rocket forces?

military satellites, reconnaisance/communications.

blilov
06-18-2009, 01:40 AM
just about to saythe same :) where are you from blilov?
Plovdiv, Bulgaria;)

beromir
06-18-2009, 01:59 AM
You never seen and heared that before:

http://savepic.ru/684196.jpg

It is one of more secrecy cpecial forces of russian VMF.
Batalion of naval diversants "Holuay" ("Холуай").
Unit of TOF (Pacific-ocean fleet).

piton_kaa
06-18-2009, 02:33 AM
You never seen and heared that before:
ORLY? :cantbeli:

beromir
06-18-2009, 02:36 AM
orly? :cantbeli:

Это для буржуинов :)

piton_kaa
06-18-2009, 02:40 AM
Aga, got it=)

Dark Avenger
06-18-2009, 04:54 AM
http://www.world.guns.ru/assault/as95-e.htm

beromir
06-18-2009, 06:17 AM
the first one is use for?[blade knife at end]:)

Modern sub-water automat, based on another automat APS.

GTX-Typhoon
06-18-2009, 11:02 AM
nice collection of "bandwidth exceeded" pics, man. p-)

should work now.

Page 1300 ;)

Fasatron
06-18-2009, 11:10 AM
traning of the Russian Army with the reformed structure

http://i005.radikal.ru/0906/5b/b83fdb505763.jpg

http://s61.radikal.ru/i173/0906/01/c9cbf48f49c8.jpg

http://s41.radikal.ru/i094/0906/31/554db6ffbdba.jpg

http://s45.radikal.ru/i109/0906/9a/95b01ec01a53.jpg

http://i015.radikal.ru/0906/f1/5cd1d44cc54f.jpg

http://s57.radikal.ru/i156/0906/04/ba2a0724df2d.jpg

http://s56.radikal.ru/i151/0906/18/7612a030066f.jpg

http://s53.radikal.ru/i142/0906/9c/77dfe6909fca.jpg

more photos here: http://search.rg.ru/gall/b994de58?1
and here: http://search.rg.ru/gall/ec8e1c73

more ihfos here: http://rg.ru/2009/06/16/reg-privolzhe/uchenia-anons.html

Fasatron
06-18-2009, 12:15 PM
new russian artillery vehicle, not new but modernisation of 2s1

http://i023.radikal.ru/0906/09/95f126d26024.jpg

more http://litnik.in.ua/content/view/476/99/

JohnnyWalker
06-18-2009, 01:01 PM
new russian artillery vehicle, not new but modernisation of 2s1

http://i023.radikal.ru/0906/09/95f126d26024.jpg

more http://litnik.in.ua/content/view/476/99/

sweet. they ave good pics there
http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/5165/14633851.th.jpg (http://img44.imageshack.us/my.php?image=14633851.jpg)
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/1764/51996.th.jpg (http://img25.imageshack.us/my.php?image=51996.jpg)
http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/8513/indexphpa.th.jpg (http://img191.imageshack.us/my.php?image=indexphpa.jpg)
http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/2142/indexphpcxsacsda.th.jpg (http://img188.imageshack.us/my.php?image=indexphpcxsacsda.jpg)

Mormaeglin
06-18-2009, 01:17 PM
http://img27.picoodle.com/img/img27/2/6/18/mormaeglin/f_chimera1m_be8f814.jpg (http://www.picoodle.com/)

http://img30.picoodle.com/img/img30/2/6/18/mormaeglin/f_chimera2m_70de24b.jpg (http://www.picoodle.com/)

http://img38.picoodle.com/img/img38/2/6/18/mormaeglin/f_chimera4m_da19a45.jpg (http://www.picoodle.com/)

http://img38.picoodle.com/img/img38/2/6/18/mormaeglin/f_chimera5m_7a6a8ee.jpg (http://www.picoodle.com/)

Химера "Himera" - Is one of newest Russian camouflage patterns (developed by private company, Modoks.) it is even more inspired by classic SS-Eichenlaubtarn than earlier "Partizan". Uniform is reversible with both spring-summer and autumn colorations.

Nuclear_Warrior
06-18-2009, 01:44 PM
Some photos that I found earlier today, I hope they are not reposts!
http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/7633/osnaz20vityaz20sniper.jpg

http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/8422/spetsnaz20operators204.jpg

http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/4589/spetsnaz20operators205.jpg

http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/6349/omsn20operators202.jpg

http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/6251/sniper20taking20positio.jpg

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/6255/osnaz20vityaz20operator.jpg
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/3641/organised20crime20depar.jpg
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/4363/organised20crime20depare.jpg
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/7311/nalchik20sieges20interi.jpg
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/9896/mvd20sobr20operators.jpg
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/3117/fsin20operator.jpg
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/2491/fsin20krechet20operator.jpg

Vipidari
06-18-2009, 02:01 PM
Does anyone remember the information / article and/or Izdeliye names of the next-gen Russian A2A weapons?

The numbers seem to have been mentioned / released for the R-73M / R-77 replacements.

Karpov360
06-18-2009, 02:09 PM
T-62? and T-64

Over G
06-18-2009, 02:10 PM
Excuse my ignorance, i find a bit funny that "batman" seal :D...what is that?

Nuclear_Warrior
06-18-2009, 02:12 PM
Excuse my ignorance, i find a bit funny that "batman" seal :D...what is that?

That's the symbol of GRU.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GRU

I doubt those pics has anything to do with GRU though.

calimero2
06-18-2009, 02:26 PM
T-62? and T-64

T-55: note the fume extractor at the very end of the barrel, and the oval port on the left side of the main gun.

IcyHot
06-18-2009, 04:49 PM
http://img27.picoodle.com/img/img27/2/6/18/mormaeglin/f_chimera1m_be8f814.jpg

What will be the next introduced equipment in Russian army :cantbeli:
http://www.collect-militaria.com/user_images/7890175.jpg

K-5
06-18-2009, 04:58 PM
What will be the next introduced equipment in Russian army :cantbeli:
http://www.collect-militaria.com/user_images/7890175.jpg
Interesting conclusion on your part. What is the connection between Kaiser German helmet and the Chimera layout or are we still sticking to the story of SS camo ripoff?

dzhaga-dzhaga
06-18-2009, 05:00 PM
What will be the next introduced equipment in Russian army :cantbeli:


this is commercial shyet. they can produce everything they want

Leo1
06-18-2009, 10:53 PM
What other "improvements" have they made to the modernized 2S1, apart from replacing the 122mm cannon with the 120mm 2A80 from the 2S31 Vena?

(I don't like it, reduces the range)

Is it entering service?

Revive
06-19-2009, 12:19 AM
Il-96 uses Aviadvigatel PS-90 which is a high bypass turbofan and is usable outside of CIS countries. No version of Il-96 has rolls-royce, Il-96M is a development version with Pratt and Whitney engines and western avionics.
PS-90 is also used on the new and reingined Il-76s.
i think he mixed it up with Tu-204
by the way, PS-90 is up to standard and the noise thing is nothing to do with high bypass, since today's turbofan engines are all high bypass design...

BoevayaSistema
06-19-2009, 12:27 AM
New video from 2006 maneuvers.
http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/2657/kspn009.jpg
http://pilot.strizhi.info/ (http://www.aviapedia.com/videos/blogs/pilot/smotr/kspn.wmv)
http://**********.com/files/246153703/kspn.wmv.html

calimero2
06-19-2009, 01:37 AM
What other "improvements" have they made to the modernized 2S1, apart from replacing the 122mm cannon with the 120mm 2A80 from the 2S31 Vena?


1. Higher rate of fire;
2. Wider range of available ammunition;
3. Automated fire control and navigation systems;
4. Shorter minimum range;
5. Reduced combat readiness time.

GazB
06-19-2009, 03:04 AM
As long as prototypes exist (and the schematics), then development is not entirely lost. Just alternatives would have to be made. But the tech and development of the plane is old soviet style, that many things would have to probably be changed.

I remember an older book about it... in the early 1990s I think that had a line drawing of the Yak-43 which was a proposed version with a 20-25 ton thrust main engine that was much larger and had a body of the same basic layout of the Yak-141 but with angled sides rather than slab sides that looked rather stealthy.
Looked very interesting, but there was no money and no international investment in the program.


What type of IFV is this (Half BMP and half BRDM).. ??

It was a test vehicle that lost the competition to become the BMP-1. There were 4 competitors that were a mix of wheels, wheels and tracks and tracks only. All had same turret with same armament I believe.


I am a big fan of Russian aviation - but the Yak-141 was not the first supersonic VTOL aircraft - the French Mirage IIIV (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Mirage_IIIV) was.

Much as it saddens me to say so, the French got there first !!

This is true, but the French plane was a modified existing aircraft with lift jets... a bit like the fixed wing competitor to the swing wing Mig-23 rather than a viable aircraft on its own.


Some kind of BUK-M1 version me thinks.

BUK-M1 with a TOR turret...

Would make sense to use the same chassis for the short and medium range Army SAMs.


Modern sub-water automat, based on another automat APS.

Solves the problem that while the special ammo is very effective underwater, above water it has a much shorter effective range than any other assault rifle calibre round. The ASM-DT combines long bullets for use underwater or into water or out from water at air, with standard 5.45mm rounds for above air use only. Best of both worlds. Can kill enemy divers and enemy trained dolphins or dangerous underwater marine life like sharks and even jellyfish and squid/octapus etc, and also use as an assault rifle when you get above water.
One omission from that website is anti tank rifles from WWII. They have a section for heavy calibre sniper rifles but it doesn't include WWII anti tank rifles. There isn't a section for them in the bolt action and semi auto rifle section either. No PTRS-41 or PTRD-41. :(


Does anyone remember the information / article and/or Izdeliye names of the next-gen Russian A2A weapons?

The numbers seem to have been mentioned / released for the R-73M / R-77 replacements.

AFAIK the suggested long, medium, and short range missiles are to be initially: R-33E, R-77/R-27ER, R-73M2. For the next gen they are to be the R-37M, R-77M, and R-74.

piton_kaa
06-19-2009, 08:40 AM
Coz Funny military pics is still closed, i'll post it here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eS2MEN-C31U&feature=player_embedded

edi213009
06-19-2009, 09:16 AM
Taken from another forum.Credit goes to the inside man "RSM55".
Yury Dolgoryky on sea trials.Pretty streamlined as smone pointed out:)

Vipidari
06-19-2009, 09:41 AM
or the next gen they are to be the R-37M, R-77M, and R-74.

There is a development of the R-77 and R-73/4 in the works AFAIK.

It was revealed with Izdeliye names only.

Vipidari
06-19-2009, 10:18 AM
Expanded pic.

Nice boat :)

Bulava test in July. . .

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/7505/p1000211dxb.jpg

zg18
06-19-2009, 11:34 AM
Taken from another forum.Credit goes to the inside man "RSM55".
Yury Dolgoryky on sea trials.Pretty streamlined as smone pointed out:)


Nice find!!

TheArmenian
06-19-2009, 11:55 AM
Taken from another forum.Credit goes to the inside man "RSM55".
Yury Dolgoryky on sea trials.Pretty streamlined as smone pointed out:)

Dear poster of the photos of Y. Dolgoruky,

Thanks for the photo.
I hope your time in a Siberian jail will not be too unpleasant.

:)

Cyborn
06-19-2009, 12:07 PM
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/5266/p1000200k.jpg
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/8765/p1000208.jpg
http://forums.airbase.ru/2009/06/t67634,5--~YUrij-Dolgorukij~-vykhodit-na-khodovye.6275.html

XRR496
06-19-2009, 12:22 PM
http://ru.fishki.net/picsw/062009/16/anek/1.jpg

XRR496
06-19-2009, 01:40 PM
Proton-M (Protostar-2)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vupKHNPw2M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfrjGgBvDL4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJCxRqGw1xM&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rKxkmfj58M

XRR496
06-19-2009, 01:41 PM
Proton-M (Glonas-M)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1Hgkai8psI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9wc18fMv4A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9WH879nqHA

riverman83
06-19-2009, 04:33 PM
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/5266/p1000200k.jpg
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/8765/p1000208.jpg
http://forums.airbase.ru/2009/06/t67634,5--~YUrij-Dolgorukij~-vykhodit-na-khodovye.6275.html

Very nice, have been waiting for more pic of the Borei :)

xav
06-19-2009, 05:09 PM
Some Russian gear in here:
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=159448

(paris air show)
Can you please ID the picture of the MFD and translate the text?

NicNZ
06-19-2009, 05:26 PM
Can kill...dangerous underwater marine life like sharks and even jellyfish and squid/octapus etc
Come on now Gaz, really? What use is a rifle against jellyfish and octopus?

piton_kaa
06-19-2009, 05:40 PM
Come on now Gaz, really? What use is a rifle against jellyfish and octopus?
especially against attacking maco or great white :cantbeli:

sepheronx
06-19-2009, 05:41 PM
Some Russian gear in here:
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=159448

(paris air show)
Can you please ID the picture of the MFD and translate the text?

No Russian UAV section? Phooy....

XRR496
06-19-2009, 06:20 PM
SS-18 "Satan" (sat.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knoa7oBdZkA

"Souz"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z3vJ1JrtPU

Proton-m (night)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMFI29PFBSE

+ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mm0JIF4V4hw

JohnnyWalker
06-19-2009, 07:43 PM
Expanded pic.

Nice boat :)

Bulava test in July. . .

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/7505/p1000211dxb.jpg

ARG... drooool

Beauty

BoevayaSistema
06-19-2009, 08:15 PM
Expanded pic.

Nice boat :)

Bulava test in July. . .

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/7505/p1000211dxb.jpg

I could tell it's a good sub. She looks so f*** mean!

Red_Rage
06-19-2009, 08:23 PM
I could tell it's a good sub. She looks so f*** mean!



Meh, still peanuts compared to two Typhoons rusting away at dock. No swimming pool inside either p-)

hittite
06-19-2009, 10:01 PM
anyone help me ID the truck and gun(2b16?) of this pic

Kupr
06-20-2009, 01:45 AM
How USSR won WWII

http://photofile.ru/photo/semer1980/135153109/xlarge/137846212.jpg

http://photofile.ru/photo/semer1980/135153109/xlarge/137846213.jpg

http://photofile.ru/photo/semer1980/135153109/xlarge/137855099.jpg

http://photofile.ru/photo/semer1980/135153109/xlarge/137855140.jpg

http://photofile.ru/photo/semer1980/135153109/xlarge/137855148.jpg

http://photofile.ru/photo/semer1980/135153109/xlarge/137855157.jpg

More photos here:

http://toyster.ru/forum/showthread.php?t=1277

GazB
06-20-2009, 02:01 AM
1. Higher rate of fire;
2. Wider range of available ammunition;
3. Automated fire control and navigation systems;
4. Shorter minimum range;
5. Reduced combat readiness time.

Add to that more efficient trajectory in that the steeper plunging fire of a mortar results in better fragmentation patterns than a round detonating at an angle closer to horizontal.
The British got rid of their Abbots a while back, perhaps the Russians have decided to get rid of their 122mm guns in the self propelled versions. 120mm mortars on the other hand are still very useful.
152mm rounds are rather more effective than 122mm rounds against modern targets.


There is a development of the R-77 and R-73/4 in the works AFAIK.

It was revealed with Izdeliye names only.

There was a mockup of the R-74 on a pylon... will try to find it.


Come on now Gaz, really? What use is a rifle against jellyfish and octopus?

A full auto burst with a steel bar the size and shape of a knitting needle at 250m/s and of course a large amount of gas bubbles would scare away most underwater creatures.
Against something more solid like a shark such projectiles would make a real mess.

Here are those images. The first shows a mockup of the R-74 and the other shows the line drawings of the missiles with the Izdeliye numbers in brackets afterwards:

http://img14.imageshack.us/gal.php?g=302d.jpg

The line drawings are the work of Piotr Butowski and are of the "PAK-FA" missiles. I can't remember where I got it from but he did the drawings.
The photo I think came from the same source but am not sure.

calimero2
06-20-2009, 02:38 AM
anyone help me ID the truck and gun(2b16?) of this pic

GAZ-3308 "Sadko" and 2B16 "Nona-K" during the May parade in St Petersburg.

Vipidari
06-20-2009, 06:09 AM
Here are those images. The first shows a mockup of the R-74 and the other shows the line drawings of the missiles with the Izdeliye numbers in brackets afterwards:

http://img14.imageshack.us/gal.php?g=302d.jpg

The line drawings are the work of Piotr Butowski and are of the "PAK-FA" missiles. I can't remember where I got it from but he did the drawings.
The photo I think came from the same source but am not sure.

So is there no replacement for the R-77 series?

Like the Izdeliye 300 for the R-73/74 missiles?

German Army
06-20-2009, 07:38 AM
Hear some photos of Su-24. I like the plane woot

This photo was on a german news paper.
http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,108311,00.jpg

http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/spy/su24mr/su24mr-4.jpg
http://www.worldwide-military.com/Military%20Aircraft/Russian%20Fighters%20plaatjes/Groot/Su-24.JPG

XRR496
06-20-2009, 10:07 AM
Kupr :D

http://photofile.ru/photo/semer1980/135153109/xlarge/137855146.jpg
http://photofile.ru/photo/semer1980/135153109/xlarge/137855160.jpg

German Army
06-20-2009, 10:34 AM
Hear some photos from BMP-T
I had a question: What`s the caliber of the guns, 30mm ?

http://www.rusarmy.com/photo/bron0/tnk_bmpt/tnk_bmpt%20001.jpg
http://www.militaryimages.net/photopost/data/503/bmpt.jpg

smile
06-20-2009, 10:40 AM
Yeah, the calibre is 30mm. BMP-T use the standart 2A42 automatic cannon.

mannelig
06-20-2009, 10:53 AM
Thanks for the answer.
Smile you german ?

What`s the name of this BMP-2 version, or is this anyhow a russian BMP ?
I like this version it looks like future :)


BMP-2 with Berezhok turret.

smile
06-20-2009, 10:54 AM
This is a Bmp2 with new turent. Just modernisation, name is Berezhok. Search for Youtube viedos, just few pages before.

Live in Germany, but like chezky beer more.

calimero2
06-20-2009, 11:21 AM
Hear some photos from BMP-T


Sorry for being a nitpick but there is no such thing as a BMP-T. That would mean "ICV-heavy" whereas this vehicle is a tank support combat vehicle = BMPT.

xav
06-20-2009, 11:58 AM
Some Russian gear in here:
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=159448

(paris air show)
Can you please ID the picture of the MFD and translate the text?

Mr.Woland
06-20-2009, 12:34 PM
Some Russian gear in here:
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=159448
(paris air show)
Can you please ID the picture of the MFD and translate the text?
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showpost.php?p=4211992&postcount=39

xav
06-20-2009, 01:03 PM
Thanks Mr.Woland

So this is not necessarilly for a military aircraft?

Mr.Woland
06-20-2009, 01:09 PM
Thanks Mr.Woland
So this is not necessarilly for a military aircraft?
Xav, a lot of data on this MFD has special meaning, only pilot/constructor-understandable.
PS.
I'm not specialist in avionics and planes.

daduda
06-20-2009, 01:42 PM
http://i010.radikal.ru/0906/a7/7ba9bcd159e8.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)http://s56.radikal.ru/i152/0906/72/578437044109.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)
http://s61.radikal.ru/i173/0906/c8/f33cd2bc0e65.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)

daduda
06-20-2009, 01:55 PM
http://s51.radikal.ru/i132/0906/90/a254d3fabe55.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)
http://s57.radikal.ru/i157/0906/6a/f4f9c38d4aa0.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)
http://s50.radikal.ru/i128/0906/14/97c9a1f2ffbb.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)
http://s57.radikal.ru/i157/0906/4a/55dfce24b74b.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)
http://s47.radikal.ru/i117/0906/45/7e976a348fec.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)
http://s51.radikal.ru/i131/0906/e8/4348f550cdda.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)

daduda
06-20-2009, 01:57 PM
http://i079.radikal.ru/0906/7c/97ca3d74f6ea.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)

JohnnyWalker
06-20-2009, 02:07 PM
22 April 2007 Veterans of Afghanistan and Chechnya, Sverdlovsk OMON officers conducted a traditional event, observed the Orthodox Church - Myrrh-Bearer Women's Day. " The convoy of cars and two armored personnel carriers passed through the streets of Yekaterinburg, handing out counter-townswoman flowers and greeting cards. The evening was a concert singer Vicki Tsiganova, organized by JSC "Taganskiy Several." See more photos

22 апреля 2007 года Ветераны Афганистана и Чечни, сотрудники Свердловского ОМОН провели традиционное мероприятие, отмечаемое Православной Церковью - "День Жен Мироносиц". Колонна автомобилей и двух БТР проехала по улицам Екатеринбурга, раздавая встречным горожанкам цветы и поздравительные открытки. Вечером состоялся концерт певицы Вики Цыгановой, организованный ЗАО "Таганский Ряд". смотреть фото далее

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/2614/15february.th.jpg (http://img230.imageshack.us/my.php?image=15february.jpg)

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/5492/18615995.th.jpg (http://img35.imageshack.us/my.php?image=18615995.jpg)
http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/8692/43598219.th.jpg (http://img35.imageshack.us/my.php?image=43598219.jpg)
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/8692/33624260.th.jpg (http://img20.imageshack.us/my.php?image=33624260.jpg)
http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/3250/76832679.th.jpg (http://img26.imageshack.us/my.php?image=76832679.jpg)
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/8195/81243389.th.jpg (http://img25.imageshack.us/my.php?image=81243389.jpg)
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/7028/54384617.th.jpg (http://img20.imageshack.us/my.php?image=54384617.jpg)
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/7130/88635768.th.jpg (http://img25.imageshack.us/my.php?image=88635768.jpg)

evgenerous
06-20-2009, 02:56 PM
Graduates of higher educational institutions of the Ministry of Defence.
http://www.1tv.ru/newsvideo/146057

Kunal Biswas
06-20-2009, 03:55 PM
Hear some photos from BMP-T
I had a question: What`s the caliber of the guns, 30mm ?

http://www.rusarmy.com/photo/bron0/tnk_bmpt/tnk_bmpt%20001.jpg
http://www.militaryimages.net/photopost/data/503/bmpt.jpg

1. Does Anyone have specification of this BMP-T ??
2. Is its turret really stable while firing twin 30mm ??

evgenerous
06-20-2009, 04:21 PM
"The World's Best Karlson" on the roof.
http://b1.imgsrc.ru/s/shell114/9/13542639xQS.jpg

http://b1.imgsrc.ru/s/shell114/3/13542643FZF.jpg
http://b1.imgsrc.ru/s/shell114/1/13542651EPl.jpg
http://b1.imgsrc.ru/s/shell114/1/13542641xWA.jpg
http://b1.imgsrc.ru/s/shell114/6/13542646kyr.jpg
http://b1.imgsrc.ru/s/shell114/8/13542648iYM.jpg
Victory parade repetition.
all photos http://imgsrc.ru/shell114/13542639.html?#pic

GTX-Typhoon
06-20-2009, 06:45 PM
1. Does Anyone have specification of this BMP-T ??
2. Is its turret really stable while firing twin 30mm ??

1: Wikipedia it for detailed info but these are the basic specs:

T-72 Chassis.
two 30mm autocannons. prolly 2A42.
two AGS-17 Grenade launchers.
four ATGM's.
And some machineguns.
A crew of 5 to man it all.

2: From the footage i saw about it when it was firing it looked pretty stable for me.

And besides, the chassis is able to absorb the recoil of the 125mm cannon pretty easily so the autocannons are cake in that aspect.

Lesa
06-20-2009, 08:41 PM
Hello!
It is very nice to see such interest to Russian Army. I am from Russia, I am wife of Russian officer, and myself ex-officer.

On 27 of May there was an exam for getting the right to wear the Red Beret for Russian Special Forces.
http://i063.radikal.ru/0906/69/54054b0fa68d.jpg
http://i012.radikal.ru/0906/d9/cb13434d9a43.jpg
http://s45.radikal.ru/i110/0906/b9/f47bf4c26317.jpg
http://i075.radikal.ru/0906/7a/ab23fd6a0408.jpg
http://i080.radikal.ru/0906/18/613c2c24dc7b.jpg
http://s40.radikal.ru/i089/0906/8b/ef1218477034.jpg

Lesa
06-20-2009, 08:50 PM
The given examination includes a march-throw on 12 kilometres on a cross-country terrain with full regimentals in gross weight of 30-50 kg, demonstration of skills of high-rise preparation, then Hand-to-hand fight with that who has already the right of carrying of a Red beret and then applicants among themselves. This time from 222 people examination have successfully passed only 12 persons.

http://i026.radikal.ru/0906/83/2c9fb9f926e6.jpg
http://s39.radikal.ru/i085/0906/1d/9eab50a8cbfc.jpg
http://i054.radikal.ru/0906/65/62cd299fc409.jpg
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http://s41.radikal.ru/i094/0906/98/188c895f3108.jpg
http://i075.radikal.ru/0906/74/0601d142e3da.jpg
http://i068.radikal.ru/0906/0f/dec0c7f2ffc7.jpg

RomanS
06-20-2009, 08:50 PM
Lesa, welcome!
Finally , im so happy to see you here .

Guys say hello to her. Her husband is serving with Russia's elite. You've seen many of his photos I posted.

Welcome Lesa!!!! Glad to have you here

Lesa
06-20-2009, 08:56 PM
Even if the fighter has sustained a march-throw and has reached hand-to-hand fight, but its weapon has not shot (probably, has jammed), he is considered not passed examination and he is not supposed to the fight. Many of solders try to pass this examination for several times.

http://i001.radikal.ru/0906/40/e86fecb639f8.jpg
http://s45.radikal.ru/i109/0906/8f/85ffeadfe01b.jpg
http://i016.radikal.ru/0906/89/21d3928fbcb4.jpg
http://s51.radikal.ru/i131/0906/1d/3f92ec36a6d6.jpg
http://i037.radikal.ru/0906/10/62c6a4e917a3.jpg
http://i003.radikal.ru/0906/d7/1f13d4159879.jpg
http://s39.radikal.ru/i083/0906/ac/07d2c57050d1.jpg

Lesa
06-20-2009, 09:00 PM
Hello, RomanS! A hope you will understand my English. I'll try to answer some of your questions.

Lesa
06-20-2009, 09:05 PM
Some more photoes.
http://s61.radikal.ru/i174/0906/63/b121eca37334.jpg
http://s40.radikal.ru/i088/0906/7f/134f8428775b.jpg
http://s39.radikal.ru/i086/0906/b1/9f71639274c3.jpg
http://s61.radikal.ru/i174/0906/f3/a3d36982f711.jpg
http://s40.radikal.ru/i088/0906/48/166c76484eb6.jpg
http://s56.radikal.ru/i151/0906/11/cc2ebd498b07.jpg
http://s48.radikal.ru/i119/0906/bd/5d9be20ce870.jpg
http://s53.radikal.ru/i141/0906/37/6077a9d20195.jpg
http://i050.radikal.ru/0906/40/714e4be22599.jpg

Lesa
06-20-2009, 09:08 PM
http://s61.radikal.ru/i172/0906/9e/3b28bbf6d4c4.jpg
http://s50.radikal.ru/i128/0906/44/a32f3ed94845.jpg
http://s51.radikal.ru/i131/0906/9b/8db5b971b8b3.jpg
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http://s39.radikal.ru/i083/0906/c6/bfd7c9463f23.jpg
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http://i070.radikal.ru/0906/e3/e29a40cb00ca.jpg

Majestu$
06-20-2009, 09:09 PM
Lesa, welcome!
Finally , im so happy to see you here .

Guys say hello to her. Her husband is serving with Russia's elite. You've seen many of his photos I posted.

Welcome Lesa!!!! Glad to have you here

I think i speak for the majority when i say Welcome to the forum!

What should we think of when you say Russia's Elite?;)
A name would not harm the world now would it mate?

/Majestu$

Lesa
06-20-2009, 09:12 PM
http://i080.radikal.ru/0906/a6/8c2af420eb99.jpg
http://s45.radikal.ru/i108/0906/a1/9f78ef8dd5e4.jpg
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http://i018.radikal.ru/0906/8d/da912c97dc1f.jpg
http://s52.radikal.ru/i138/0906/9d/fc9806cb2411.jpg
http://s50.radikal.ru/i128/0906/27/15f88425cb12.jpg

RomanS
06-20-2009, 09:14 PM
I think i speak for the majority when i say Welcome to the forum!

What should we think of when you say Russia's Elite?;)
A name would not harm the world now would it mate?

/Majestu$

Look at her photos. hint :)

Lesa
06-20-2009, 09:14 PM
http://s51.radikal.ru/i131/0906/33/87d1949c3919.jpg
http://s56.radikal.ru/i151/0906/00/b0969c515f31.jpg
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http://i018.radikal.ru/0906/71/0af78e375711.jpg
http://s50.radikal.ru/i129/0906/4c/3e25896ed452.jpg

Lesa
06-20-2009, 09:18 PM
http://s56.radikal.ru/i153/0906/b3/001e6e446b4d.jpg
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http://s45.radikal.ru/i110/0906/82/ba98744992da.jpg

Lesa
06-20-2009, 09:23 PM
The Rewarding ceremony, The Delivery of Red berets.
http://s59.radikal.ru/i166/0906/84/f55db3ae96c8.jpg
http://s57.radikal.ru/i156/0906/da/94ad1ba0a150.jpg
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http://s55.radikal.ru/i148/0906/4d/b37557cbaf29.jpg
http://s59.radikal.ru/i166/0906/0a/53bc817027a3.jpg

Lesa
06-20-2009, 09:25 PM
http://s51.radikal.ru/i131/0906/c2/dabd7ef949b2.jpg
http://i081.radikal.ru/0906/f2/761c54b91d4f.jpg

technician
06-20-2009, 09:38 PM
wow, russia has nice army! grettings to all russian members

DIMMI
06-20-2009, 09:45 PM
Dear poster of the photos of Y. Dolgoruky,

Thanks for the photo.
I hope your time in a Siberian jail will not be too unpleasant.

:)


Wellcome!
Now we have green winter...)))

Lesa
06-20-2009, 09:50 PM
Oh, now in Moscow we have it too... :)

BoevayaSistema
06-20-2009, 11:21 PM
International naval exercises in France FRUKUS 2009

Udaloy
http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/8467/img63241100.jpg%20http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/1613/img63241101.jpghttp://img10.imageshack.us/img10/8467/img63241100.jpg
http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/1613/img63241101.jpg
http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/8467/img63241100.jpg%20http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/1613/img63241101.jpg

BoevayaSistema
06-20-2009, 11:24 PM
http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/5326/img63241102l.jpg
http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/4076/img63241103n.jpg

GazB
06-21-2009, 12:22 AM
So is there no replacement for the R-77 series?

The R-77 has never really entered large scale Russian service yet. It has potential left that is as yet unexplored. The R-27 series with its short and long burn rocket motor options and the seeker head options were very flexible, with IR, SARH and passive radar homing heads also supported by the special SARH seeker model for use over water for the Su-33 and the active radar homing head models. The R-77 version could offer short and long burn rocket motors plus the ramjet long range option as well with IR, IIR, and ARH options. There is also the potential for the SARH version as a cheap option too of course for targets at long range and low level over water, and of course the passive radar homing models for targets with their radars operating.
A Russian interceptor could fire 4-5 missiles all guiding at the same target and all attacking based on different guidance principles. This would give a much higher kill probability, or allow attacks in a wider range of conditions than most other airforces have the option to do.
Of course that requires aircraft that can carry a lot of missiles.


I had a question: What`s the caliber of the guns, 30mm ?

They are the 2A42 30mm guns as used in the BMP-2 and Mi-28A/N and Ka-50/-52.

Vipidari
06-21-2009, 12:49 AM
The R-77 has never really entered large scale Russian service yet. It has potential left that is as yet unexplored. .

Potentially a good explanation.

What is Izdeliye 810 then? Seems like a massive missile the size of the K-37M variants.

Are you are sure your pylon mock up pic isn't the Ukrainian Izedeliye 611 btw?

Mousepad
06-21-2009, 01:58 AM
Welcome LESA, now we have MVD insider :)

LEGEND thanx for correcting me on IL-96, guess my IIRC was not C

GazB
06-21-2009, 02:01 AM
Are you are sure your pylon mock up pic isn't the Ukrainian Izedeliye 611 btw?

Actually now that you mention it that might be the Ukrainian model.
There was supposed to be an interim model from the in service R-73M2 with thrust vector achieved by pushing material into the engine exhaust to deflect the thrust to the final R-74 missile with a gimballed rocket exhaust that actually directs the thrust. The seeker also is supposed to go from two colour seeker in M2 to a staring array seeker in the R-74 as well. Piotr did an article on it a while back and I can't remember the dates, but the full R-74 is planned for service when the PAK-FA enters service or there abouts. Upgraded older model aircraft like the Mig-29SMT if it is in service, and the Mig-31BM and Su-27BM/SM are supposed to get the new missile capability too from what I have read. This is a bit of a shift for the Russians/Soviets where missiles have been designed for roles and aircraft designed for the roles used the role specific missile. I guess the R-27/R-73 combination changed that though the R-60 and R-33 and R-40 for the Mig-31 did seperate missiles into roles with different missiles for different aircraft the Mig-31M with R-77 sort of blurred that. If they do do to the R-77 what they did to the R-27 it should be interesting. Three motor options and over half a dozen seeker head options would be quite interesting. When the target is stealthy to radar then there is a good reason to have a BVR missile that can carry an IIR seeker if you can find some way of detecting stealth aircraft at long range. Having a low frequency radar antenna in the entire leading edge of the wing of a fighter should allow it to perform that role.

BoevayaSistema
06-21-2009, 02:53 AM
Russia should get 2T Stalker with more powerful gun.

http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/5754/72440171.jpg
http://www.minotor-service.com/en/2t-stalker-combat-vehicle-reconnaissance.html

K-5
06-21-2009, 03:19 AM
Russia should get 2T Stalker with more powerful gun.
http://www.minotor-service.com/en/2t-stalker-combat-vehicle-reconnaissance.html
What for? It's got same ole 2A42 and is a foreign built vehicle. There is just as capable BMR-3 ready to be produced since 1990. Meanwhile work continues on 57mm cannon armed BMP-3/4, so, no, they should continue to invest in their own industry.

Kunal Biswas
06-21-2009, 03:42 AM
1: Wikipedia it for detailed info but these are the basic specs:

T-72 Chassis.
two 30mm autocannons. prolly 2A42.
two AGS-17 Grenade launchers.
four ATGM's.
And some machineguns.
A crew of 5 to man it all.

2: From the footage i saw about it when it was firing it looked pretty stable for me.

And besides, the chassis is able to absorb the recoil of the 125mm cannon pretty easily so the autocannons are cake in that aspect.


Thanks for the info ......

BoevayaSistema
06-21-2009, 03:53 AM
What for? It's got same ole 2A42 and is a foreign built vehicle. There is just as capable BMR-3 ready to be produced since 1990. Meanwhile work continues on 57mm cannon armed BMP-3/4, so, no, they should continue to invest in their own industry.

I see it as a BMP-2 replacement with Bahcha-u turret.
It's basically an upgraded BMP-2 that looks way f*** cool as my wallpaper prooves, after all this is a photo thread.

ayanami_tard
06-21-2009, 04:16 AM
...152mm rounds are rather more effective than 122mm rounds against modern targets.



i think comparing 152mm round with 122mm round doesn't quite right
122mm round is equivalent to western 105mm round

correct me if i'm wrong

XRR496
06-21-2009, 05:03 AM
Ensemble "Moskvichka"

http://www.moskvichki.narod.ru/photo/181.jpghttp://www.moskvichki.narod.ru/photo/194.jpg

http://www.moskvichki.narod.ru/photo/
http://www.majorettes.ru/photos.html#null (more)

AlexMartin2
06-21-2009, 05:16 AM
i think comparing 152mm round with 122mm round doesn't quite right
122mm round is equivalent to western 105mm round

correct me if i'm wrong

Well, if we compare different rounds, we must choose several important parameters for compare, for example kinetic energy, or mass of warhead or number of fragments after explosion, etc.

Usually greater caliber can have more warhead mass and more fragments, while kinetic energy could be bigger or lesser, usually bigger.

So IMHO 152 > 122 > 105.

-Julik- 4.GdKp
06-21-2009, 05:18 AM
http://zvezdanews.ru/video/0032291/?PHPSESSID=7f6bf633358f58b945a99374732a9ef3

gatkii810
06-21-2009, 05:27 AM
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GazB
06-21-2009, 05:38 AM
I see a variety of jungle camo out here :-|..... How many types of jungle camo is used by Russian army ?? .....How many types of jungle are there? :)


think comparing 152mm round with 122mm round doesn't quite right
122mm round is equivalent to western 105mm round

correct me if i'm wrongYou are quite right that the 122mm is more comparable to 105mm than 152mm.
The issue is with the improvements in protection and effectiveness of body armour and more heavily armoured vehicles. Is the lighter round (ie 122mm or 105mm) still an effective artillery round. The 2S1 is not a cheap vehicle so to justify its use its round must be still seen to be effective.
The British have already decided that their 105mm Abbot was no longer cost effective and they withdrew it in favour of more 155mm weapons.
This way they could withdraw their 105mm ammo supply as long as they had Challengers in service with 120mm guns and the older tanks with 105mm guns were withdrawn they could save money by dropping the 105mm round completely.
In the case of the Russians they could also drop the 122mm round though they have a lot of towed D-20 guns that are still very useful changing to 120mm mortars will mean less in service calibres, the vehicles with 122mm guns could be replaced with 120mm guns and given a different role (ie 120mm mortar section instead of short range tube artillery)... they can keep the in service 2S1 vehicles but drop the ammo calibre and shift them to different units for different roles. A 120mm mortar unit in 2S1 vehicles will be more expensive to operate but also more effective and much more mobile and better protected. If the vehicles themselves are already paid for the overall cost is the rebarreling to the new gun and the modification of the ammo handling equipment along with new sights etc.

Of course I might be totally wrong... the 2S1 is relatively light and mobile and might be kept for some types of operation, but eventually it will become obsolete in its current role (which it has been performing since the mid 1970s so almost 40 years) and either be withdrawn and scrapped, modified, or given to allies as gifts.


What for? It's got same ole 2A42 and is a foreign built vehicle. There is just as capable BMR-3 ready to be produced since 1990. Meanwhile work continues on 57mm cannon armed BMP-3/4, so, no, they should continue to invest in their own industry.

They were talking about producing new ammo for the S-60. It should be interesting to see what they can achieve with that round. I wonder if they will replace the 30mm with the 57mm totally? I mean the concept of the BMP-3 was that the 30mm gun of the BMP-2 was useful and the HE power of the BMP-1 was also useful so the BMP-3 combined the 30mm cannon with a 100mm rifled gun for HE power. The 2.8kg HE round of the 57mm gun can't compete with the 22kg shell of the 100mm. It is rather more powerful than the 30mm gun of course for every purpose. So will the 57mm go into half the vehicles and the rest have 100mm only or 100mm and 30mm, or will it be 100mm and 57mm? The ammo on the PT-76 modification seems to store the 57mm ammo where the BMP-3 stores the 100mm rounds.
Will be interesting to see.

Lesa
06-21-2009, 06:06 AM
I see a variety of jungle camo out here :|..... How many types of jungle camo is used by Russian army ?? .....

I can't say for all Russian Army.. I think there are a lot of types.. I can say for main types of camo for Spesial forces..
http://splav.ru/gdbimp.ashx?gid=2009-06-11+12%3a28%3a41.000150&type=2&num=1
Such uniform get all young solders.

http://s57.radikal.ru/i158/0902/f8/aad5709c9371.jpg
It is the special uniform, called "Kukla", and solders must pass the exam to get right to wear such camo. Also there is such camo in black colour.

For fighting business trip such types of camo are mainly used
"Partizan"
http://im4-tub.yandex.net/i?id=11868455&tov=4
"Gorka"
http://www.babek100.ru/img/kostum/010.jpg
But for different missions there are a lot of different types of camo. And now in Russia it is appeared so many types of it, that I even can't count them.

Ronguild
06-21-2009, 06:09 AM
What for? It's got same ole 2A42 and is a foreign built vehicle. There is just as capable BMR-3 ready to be produced since 1990. Meanwhile work continues on 57mm cannon armed BMP-3/4, so, no, they should continue to invest in their own industry.

Are you speaking of the LIGA-S 57mm system ?
A BMP-T with a S-60 derivative would be a tremendous urban killer.

Kunal Biswas
06-21-2009, 06:12 AM
I can't say for all Russian Army.. I think there are a lot of types.. I can say for main types of camo for Special forces..
http://splav.ru/gdbimp.ashx?gid=2009-06-11+12%3a28%3a41.000150&type=2&num=1
Such uniform get all young solders.

http://s57.radikal.ru/i158/0902/f8/aad5709c9371.jpg
It is the special uniform, called "Kukla", and solders must pass the exam to get right to wear such camo. Also there is such camo in black color.

For fighting business trip such types of camo are mainly used
"Partizan"
http://im4-tub.yandex.net/i?id=11868455&tov=4
"Gorka"
http://www.babek100.ru/img/kostum/010.jpg
But for different missions there are a lot of different types of camo. And now in Russia it is appeared so many types of it, that I even can't count them.


Thanks for the info !! :)

Kunal Biswas
06-21-2009, 06:16 AM
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Lesa
06-21-2009, 06:27 AM
How many types of jungle are there?:)

It is the secret information.. :):):)

Seriously... Our country is large with very different types of landscapes...

evgenerous
06-21-2009, 06:41 AM
The Donskoi Monastery in Moscow.
It was very surprising.
http://b0.imgsrc.ru/t/tand/3/13366703ONm.jpg
http://b0.imgsrc.ru/t/tand/1/13366721iDw.jpg
http://b0.imgsrc.ru/t/tand/1/13366731ENc.jpg
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http://b0.imgsrc.ru/t/tand/8/13366758IAY.jpg
http://b0.imgsrc.ru/t/tand/3/13366763sgt.jpg
http://b0.imgsrc.ru/t/tand/5/13366775hCO.jpg
http://b0.imgsrc.ru/t/tand/7/13366737MKH.jpg
http://b0.imgsrc.ru/t/tand/9/13366779tdn.jpg
http://b0.imgsrc.ru/t/tand/6/13366716gOn.jpg
http://b0.imgsrc.ru/t/tand/8/13366768oeX.jpg
http://b0.imgsrc.ru/t/tand/0/13366770pYZ.jpg
http://b0.imgsrc.ru/t/tand/1/13366771snf.jpg
(Sorry for quality - shooted with phone)
(http://www.muar.ru/eng/about/donskoi1.htm)

Lesa
06-21-2009, 07:13 AM
The Victory in that awful War 1941-1945 was possible only with God's help. So the 9-th of May, the Day of our Victory is the most sacred holiday in our country. Even young people understand and honour this day. On this day they give flowers to veterans and thanks them for this victory, for our future. And we remember about this war and this victory not only in May, but every day of our life, that is why in every, even small town and village, we have memorials. And flowers on it are always fresh...

Even on weddind day we have tradition to go to memorial of Unknown Solder with flowers and say thanks to God and this unknown solder for present day...we have...

Figurant
06-21-2009, 08:24 AM
I can't say for all Russian Army.. I think there are a lot of types.. I can say for main types of camo for Spesial forces..
Such uniform get all young solders.
...
It is the special uniform, called "Kukla", and solders must pass the exam to get right to wear such camo. Also there is such camo in black colour.
...For fighting business trip such types of camo are mainly used
"Partizan"..."Gorka"

That's not information, that's desinformation :)
First of all, the "red berets" and the like are NOT Russian ARMY, they are Ministry of Interior (MVD), Internal Troops (VV MVD).
2nd: Disregarding uniform and dress regulations is what the MVD and all its branches (from the OMON to the Internal Troops special groups) do best, and this concerns all ranks. All MVD and VV MVD guys especially like the pseudo-DPM pattern (what you called "Kukla"), the "Partisan" flecktarn-style is favourised by "special forces" or whoever thinks he's special :fork:. Of course, these are all non-standard, unauthorised uniforms (Gorka being the exception) and of course, no special exam is required to wear them (that doesn 't preclude the possible existance of such "exams" in some places where the commander has nothing better to do than to invent local "traditions" that have nothing to do with logic, training and discipline - the same applies to the way the red beret came to life by the way - but I'll shut up here, because someone's going to kill me :) ).

MVD uniform discipline is very close to the dress code of a banana republic whorehouse, and till it won't change, people will continue to wonder about all these "nice" "uniform" "patterns" found in the Russian "army".

The Russian Army, as it is, lacks of uniform discipline too, but it's nothing compared to the MVD guys. As for the Russian Army itself, the only authorised pattern is the new Flora, and its variations. Special combat dresses for mountain and cold conditions, for example, are the exception. The new digital pattern might or might not be officialised and put into mass production, but that doesn't concern the "red beret" cheerleaders.

Figurant
06-21-2009, 08:55 AM
one more uniform regulation fan here rofl
I'm not a particular uniform regulation fan at all.
I'm a fan of articulated, fact-based and accurate information.
Besides, I'm also a fan of practicality.

For example, I don't get why OMON has to wear camo uniforms in cities, and especially a blatantly inefficient pattern at that.

I don't get why a dress element (beret) has to be "awarded" for training/competition achievement.

I don't get why the VV MVD thinks that the British DPM pattern is a) efficient in 80% of Russian territory b) cool c) inherently signifies the wearer is a Russian military serviceman.

I don't get why wearing USMC para wings is considered acceptable by some VV MVD troopers who haven't even performed a single jump.

I don't get why the so-called "spetsnaz VV" still wears inofficial and antiquated unit patches when they have regular ones.

And I don't like when a troop who calls itself "elite" doesn't give a damn about uniformity, regulations and needs to compensate some psychological complex by indulging into wearing anything that they think is "trendy" and consider themselves to be worth be called "elite" after that while looking like a rag-tag bunch of airsofters on the loose.

And I don't get how someone can be fan of anything military and disregard regulations.

Lesa
06-21-2009, 08:56 AM
It is very interesting whence at you such "deep" knowledge,about the Russian uniform??? Are you the big expert in this question?
I have told at once that about army entirely I can not tell. I spoke particularly for special troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and people in this forum understood me.
About the special uniform. First, there are internal documents in division which regulate its carrying and examination on getting the right of wearing it.
Certainly, we have not so a lawful coutry, and nobody will go to court, to prove that the person wears this uniform not by right... Simply... I will try to explain it in English... mmm... The given person will be beaten... And he will not have any desire any more to wear the uniform not by right.

Figurant
06-21-2009, 09:04 AM
It is very interesting whence at you such "deep" knowledge,about the Russian uniform??? Are you the big expert in this question?
Well, in a sense I am ;) At least I've worn a couple of these uniforms out ;) And yes, uniformology is something I'm a bit knowledgable about.


I have told at once that about army entirely I can not tell. I spoke particularly for special troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and people in this forum understood me.Then write this and not "army" next time. And you wrote "...uniform for the Special Forces".
Don't take it personally, it's a very complex subject and modern Russia is the least regulated and clear field of study in this respect :)


First, there are internal documents in division which regulate its carrying and examination on getting the right of wearing it.There are official regulation on the ministry level who regulate everything down. If a commander decides not to abide by the rules, it's his responsibility. The problem of the MVD is that no one is giving a damn.
Besides, I've always known that the collective... mind, or whatever, of the VV top brass is very, hmm, let's say original, but introducing special tests and exams for the "right" to wear a certain uniform is simply... beyond the pale. Even in Africa they haven't thought about that... We're back to the 18th century at least...


The given person will be beaten... And he will not have any desire any more to wear the uniform not by right.Yeah. Great.
So in the VV, you would probably be beaten if you wear the regular uniform woot
Again, there are very real, very official regulations, in the MoD, in the MVD, in the FSB etc.
Try and find any kind of official document (that is not by itself a violation) that sets the DPM, for example, as an acceptable uniform pattern.
Besides, it's just plain stupid.

Lesa
06-21-2009, 09:19 AM
Taking into account the financing allocated for a uniform in our country... The Homogeneous uniform - not an indicator of efficiency of fighting division. The Special troops - it remain elite fighting unit and without the form at all...

About a red beret, I think, to you will not be able understand it owing to a mentality difference. For our fighters it is a sacred subject. Colours of their blood and the blood of their lost companions and it is equated to the award but guys appreciate it more because it is given not only to person? who passed the examination on the right of its carrying, but also for fighting wounds, as a beret of my husband.


So in the VV, you would probably be beaten if you wear the regular uniform
http://splav.ru/gdbimp.ashx?gid=2009-06-11+12%3a28%3a41.000150&type=2&num=1

Thi is the regular uniform, and "Kukla" is special uniform.

Figurant
06-21-2009, 09:28 AM
About a red beret, I think, to you will not be able understand it owing to a mentality difference.
An IP is one thing - it actually doesn't say anything ;) Mentality is another - and don't worry, mine is perfectly in line :)


For our fighters it is a sacred subject...
Listen, I know it very well. I know several krapoviki, and I know what their worth is. My remark was only about the historical fact how this whole beret tradition emerged.


it is given not only to person? who passed the examination on the right of its carrying, but also for fighting wounds, as a beret of my husband.
With all due respect, you and your husband certainly must understand that this is actually quite a terrible thing. The State has to give orders, medals, compensation, or at least wound *****es to the WIA. Giving the krapovy beret for fighting wounds, or combat experience (as was also extensively done, even to OMON members) is very disturbing and unfitting.
And this has actually changed: this year, a new order from the MVD drastically restrains the beret to be worn only by those who pass the test, the test itself has been expanded and the beret will not be offered anymore as a kind of "ersatz-medal" to those who deserve more than that.

GTX-Typhoon
06-21-2009, 09:33 AM
Meanwhile work continues on 57mm cannon armed BMP-3/4, so, no, they should continue to invest in their own industry.

Say WHAT!!? A BMP with a 57mm autocannon in the works!? 57mm+115mm cannon would be BMP-4 heavy IFV/light tank.

German Army
06-21-2009, 09:36 AM
Hear some photos from BTR-80

http://lazerbrody.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/11/21/btr80.jpg
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/btr-80-color.jpg
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/btr80/images/btr1.jpg


Is that an BTR-80 or BTR-70 and is that anyhow russia ?
http://www.murdoconline.net/pics/btr80slat2.jpg

Figurant
06-21-2009, 09:36 AM
Soooooooooo tough guy, i'm really scared.
*BTW, don't you know who grammar nazy is?
I just fail to see the point. Someone gives some info, someone other corrects/amends it. That's why a forum is for. If you think it's extreme, it's your problem. And being Russian, someone associating me with the n-word, even if it's an "acceptable" expression in another context, it kind of irks me, you know. OK, forget it and be friends.

jaybe
06-21-2009, 09:37 AM
Is that an BTR-80 or BTR-70 and is that anyhow russia ?
http://www.murdoconline.net/pics/btr80slat2.jpg

Russia for sure

Lesa
06-21-2009, 09:40 AM
There are official regulation on the ministry level who regulate everything down. If a commander decides not to abide by the rules, it's his responsibility. The problem of the MVD is that no one is giving a damn.
Besides, I've always known that the collective... mind, or whatever, of the VV top brass is very, hmm, let's say original, but introducing special tests and exams for the "right" to wear a certain uniform is simply... beyond the pale. Even in Africa they haven't thought about that... We're back to the 18th century at least...

You know nothing about legislation functioning in our country. Unfortunately, in practice, the main laws at us are local, internal laws. And only by long trials in court, proofs of that one laws contradict another, it is possible to address to the law on level above.

In our country nobody is engaged in it. There was no case that the person, beaten that not by right has dressed a beret or a uniform has addressed in court. In our country private laws which are not written down anywhere but are observed by everybody are very strong.

Kunal Biswas
06-21-2009, 09:44 AM
Say WHAT!!? A BMP with a 57mm autocannon in the works!? 57mm+115mm cannon would be BMP-4 heavy IFV/light tank.


Strange :roll: ?? If you have a 57mm on a IFV why you would need a 115mm, It would be same as a T-72 against poor infantry ...... Anyways Russia is going to phase out T-62 and 64...... Producing old 115mm ammunition with 100mm ( BMP-3) with 125mm is another headache..... Anyways BMP-3 and BMP-T are formidable IFV except its BMP-3`s armour thickness ...... Why Russia need another heavy IFV ??....

medo
06-21-2009, 09:47 AM
Are you speaking of the LIGA-S 57mm system ?
A BMP-T with a S-60 derivative would be a tremendous urban killer.

I don't think it is smart to put bigger cal. gun with slow rate of fire on BMPT. Why not put 125 mm gun and get another T-90? The task of BMPT is to support tanks, who have big guns and to fight with infantry. For this role twin 30 mm automatic guns are perfect, because of their high rate of fire (together around 1000 rounds/min). AA guns with high rate of fire are very deadly for infantry and BMPT is heavy armored AA gun, so the army will not need to expose high value air defense systems like Tunguska or Pantsir to fight with infantry.

sup_tech
06-21-2009, 09:56 AM
They learn hand-to-hand combat in the US Marine Corp., don't they? And this are not even Russian Armed Forces soldiers but rather troops of the Minister of the Internal Affairs.

piton_kaa
06-21-2009, 10:01 AM
You have to be physically fit to accomplish combat missions. H2h fighting is the way not only to fit your body but the way to rise your psychologic readiness and tolerance, your stress tolerance. But IRL you'll seldomly need it besides protecting you girl on way home after late film show (c) our fitness instructor in military school

Hast2
06-21-2009, 10:01 AM
Russian Elite Forces pay a lot of attention to the physical strength of the soldier, including hand to hand combat ablity, and pain tolerance. Is their attention on physical stregth too mcuh or just right in the 21st centure theater? I have a divided mind on this.

As i understand it, these guys have already some kind of special training(spetcnaz, VDV, ect) and there they're tested for determination, really. After that they'll receive "regular" training of this particular beret unit.

AlexMartin2
06-21-2009, 10:16 AM
As i understand it, these guys have already some kind of special training(spetcnaz, VDV, ect) and there they're tested for determination, really. After that they'll receive "regular" training of this particular beret unit.

Exactly, determination is the right word. As krapovie berets explained themselves, the purpose of the exam is to show that real spetsnaz never quit. Tired or injured, they must complete the mission. And I think such exam is very good for its purpose.

Universals
06-21-2009, 10:54 AM
They learn hand-to-hand combat in the US Marine Corp., don't they? And this are not even Russian Armed Forces soldiers but rather troops of the Minister of the Internal Affairs.

Hey am not trying to make any comparison; I just asked a question. dunno why u sound offended. There is no doubt that Russian Elite and are the tuffest mentally and physically. I was just asking how much is too much?.


Hast2
As i understand it, these guys have already some kind of special training(spetcnaz, VDV, ect) and there they're tested for determination, really. After that they'll receive "regular" training of this particular beret unit.

Thanks for your answer. That makes a lot of sense.

dzhaga-dzhaga
06-21-2009, 11:08 AM
I'm not a particular uniform regulation fan at all.
I'm a fan of articulated, fact-based and accurate information.
Besides, I'm also a fan of practicality.

For example, I don't get why OMON has to wear camo uniforms in cities, and especially a blatantly inefficient pattern at that.

I don't get why a dress element (beret) has to be "awarded" for training/competition achievement.

I don't get why the VV MVD thinks that the British DPM pattern is a) efficient in 80% of Russian territory b) cool c) inherently signifies the wearer is a Russian military serviceman.

I don't get why wearing USMC para wings is considered acceptable by some VV MVD troopers who haven't even performed a single jump.

I don't get why the so-called "spetsnaz VV" still wears inofficial and antiquated unit patches when they have regular ones.

And I don't like when a troop who calls itself "elite" doesn't give a damn about uniformity, regulations and needs to compensate some psychological complex by indulging into wearing anything that they think is "trendy" and consider themselves to be worth be called "elite" after that while looking like a rag-tag bunch of airsofters on the loose.

And I don't get how someone can be fan of anything military and disregard regulations.

as i see conciseness is not you quality

i don't care... i saw a lot of regulation fans and uniform know-all here for several years, you seem one of those

this is pictures thread, please post pictures.

and besides, i didn't get how the fact that you wrote about regulations violation helped to change the situation? Are you Serdyukov or Nurgaliev to change the situation? Just bla-bla-bla.


Nothing personal, such "posts" as you wrote, just only trolling the thread

Dark Avenger
06-21-2009, 11:32 AM
It's the Super Hind Mk III, upgraded by the South African company ATE. Used by Algeria.

smile
06-21-2009, 11:34 AM
This is superhind modification of the mi24.
Here some photo of this heli http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=76915 .

dzhaga-dzhaga
06-21-2009, 11:36 AM
First photos from yesterday 128-th graduation of Ryazan Airborne troops academy RVVDKU. The full report as always -later and in hi-res


http://i.flamber.ru/files/st1/1211922554/1245598411_o.jpg


Official ceremony of lieutenants graduation in Ryazan High Airborne Military academy (RVVDKU).
The banner of academy, formation of personnel and graduating officers.
June 20-th, 2009, Ryazan, Russia.






http://i.flamber.ru/files/st2/1211922554/1245598413_o.jpg


Official ceremony of lieutenants graduation in Ryazan High Airborne Military academy (RVVDKU).
Commander-in-Chief of Russian Airborne troops (VDV) lieutenant general Vladimir Shamanov presents the certificate of degree to the graduationg officer
June 20-th, 2009, Ryazan, Russia.







http://i.flamber.ru/files/st1/1211922554/1245598410_o.jpg


Official ceremony of lieutenants graduation in Ryazan High Airborne Military academy (RVVDKU).
The ceremony of farewell to the banner of Airborne academy.
June 20-th, 2009, Ryazan, Russia.








http://i.flamber.ru/files/st2/1211922554/1245598409_o.jpg


Official ceremony of lieutenants graduation in Ryazan High Airborne Military academy (RVVDKU).
Marching
June 20-th, 2009, Ryazan, Russia.






http://i.flamber.ru/files/st2/1211922554/1245598404_o.jpg


Official ceremony of lieutenants graduation in Ryazan High Airborne Military academy (RVVDKU).
Ryazan Airborne academy Honour Guards company show
June 20-th, 2009, Ryazan, Russia.






http://i.flamber.ru/files/st2/1211922554/1245598403_o.jpg

http://i.flamber.ru/files/st2/1211922554/1245598401_o.jpg

http://i.flamber.ru/files/st2/1211922554/1245598395_o.jpg

http://i.flamber.ru/files/st1/1211922554/1245598394_o.jpg


Official ceremony of lieutenants graduation in Ryazan High Airborne Military academy (RVVDKU).
Demonstration of hand-to-hand and knife fight (pokazuha)
June 20-th, 2009, Ryazan, Russia.






http://i.flamber.ru/files/st1/1211922554/1245598392_o.jpg


Official ceremony of lieutenants graduation in Ryazan High Airborne Military academy (RVVDKU).
Group photo of graduating officers, VDV Commander-in-Chief and Airborne academy commander
June 20-th, 2009, Ryazan, Russia.






http://i.flamber.ru/files/st1/1211922554/1245598686_o.jpg


Official ceremony of lieutenants graduation in Ryazan High Airborne Military academy (RVVDKU).
Group photo of graduating officer with first female cadets in Airborne troops
June 20-th, 2009, Ryazan, Russia.

Zhur
06-21-2009, 12:01 PM
First photos from yesterday 128-th graduation of Ryazan Airborne troops academy RVVDKU.

http://i.flamber.ru/files/st1/1211922554/1245598394_o.jpg



Captured georgian quad?...

sup_tech
06-21-2009, 12:10 PM
Yeah, all two of them. God forbid Russians buy something of their own.

piton_kaa
06-21-2009, 12:14 PM
Аnd a guy wearing t-shirt with "Georgia" label =\

DIMMI
06-21-2009, 12:19 PM
Can somebody please tell me which mi24 that is? It looks so unbelievable evil!

It's Mi-24AP (Adobe Photoshop mod.)

No Photoshop? Abaldet'...

JohnnyWalker
06-21-2009, 12:27 PM
It's Mi-24AP (Adobe Photoshop mod.)

No Photoshop? Abaldet'...

LOL AP mod.

dzhaga-dzhaga
06-21-2009, 12:28 PM
Captured georgian quad?...


Yeah, all two of them. God forbid Russians buy something of their own.


Аnd a guy wearing t-shirt with "Georgia" label =\

The Pokazuha scenario was the following:
Georgian check-point, two georgian soldiers patrolling on bikes, russians capture the bikes and moving to the point, Mi-8 flyes and shot, fast assault, capture or kill the georgians, back to home, hoooooooray :)


rofl remindes me something

German Army
06-21-2009, 12:39 PM
Russia for sure

And is that an BTR-80 or BTR-70, i found this picture under BTR-80 but i´m not sure.

zg18
06-21-2009, 12:42 PM
Russian Elite Forces pay a lot of attention to the physical strength of the soldier, including hand to hand combat ablity, and pain tolerance. Is their attention on physical stregth too mcuh or just right in the 21st centure theater? I have a divided mind on this.

You never trained martial arts sports? Physical practice does have large impact on health , mental strength & stability and overall self-confidence, all things required for modern professional soldier on the battlefield.

JohnnyWalker
06-21-2009, 12:52 PM
man... they put on good shows. Do you make videos too?

Xaito
06-21-2009, 03:39 PM
good video material of Stechkin's automatic pistol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k50k8C8TFJc

GTX-Typhoon
06-21-2009, 03:49 PM
Strange :roll: ?? If you have a 57mm on a IFV why you would need a 115mm

A combo like the 30/100 on the BMP-3(M)

It would add significant power to the shots and makes it easier to totaly destroy enemy vehicles like upgraded/armoured MRAP's/IFV's.


It would be same as a T-72 against poor infantry

Oh boohoo for the enemy rofl. Why would you need to worry about the enemy?


Producing old 115mm ammunition with 100mm ( BMP-3) with 125mm is another headache

Then phase out the 100mm munition to replace it with the 115mm.


Anyways BMP-3 and BMP-T are formidable IFV except its BMP-3`s armour thickness

That is true but the armour flaws in the BMP-3's design can be changed in the BMP-4's


Why Russia need another heavy IFV?

To phase out the BMP-3 since its armour and weaponment are starting to get a bit dated.

JohnnyWalker
06-21-2009, 03:50 PM
good video material of Stechkin's automatic pistol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k50k8C8TFJc

sweet! thanks

jaybe
06-21-2009, 04:29 PM
a littlebit of family history

father 1968

http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1209716/father.jpg

angola end of 70's

http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1209716/father2.jpg

http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1209716/father3.jpg

JohnnyWalker
06-21-2009, 04:41 PM
your family? Your dad looks alot like my grandfather

jaybe
06-21-2009, 04:43 PM
your family? Your dad looks alot like my grandfather

Hungarians in your blood? :)

piton_kaa
06-21-2009, 04:54 PM
a littlebit of family history
angola end of 70's

Great pics, jaybe.

Landing craft (БДК) "Alexandr Shabalin", Baltic Fleet?
So the last one maybe mid 80s?

jaybe
06-21-2009, 04:58 PM
Great pics, jaybe.

Landing craft (БДК) "Alexandr Shabalin", Baltic Fleet?
So the last one maybe mid 80s?

yeh second one is "Krasnaya Presnya" oldest one. Third should be 80's but still tropical uniform

JohnnyWalker
06-21-2009, 04:59 PM
Hungarians in your blood? :)

well... maybe. I have Polish, Rumanian, Moldovian, Russian, Ukrainian, that I know for sure. So yeah maybe.

jaybe
06-21-2009, 05:03 PM
well... maybe. I have Polish, Rumanian, Moldovian, Russian, Ukrainian, that I know for sure. So yeah maybe.

My father is from Moldavia - from Unguryany, village settled mostly by Hungarians, so maybe we are relatives :)

jaybe
06-21-2009, 05:10 PM
22 june 1941

http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/3604/babs71.4d/0_dc80_162d0975_orig

http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/3605/babs71.4d/0_dc81_8afcff4f_orig

http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/3602/babs71.4e/0_dc84_29f9acda_orig

http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/babs71/album/36350?p=0

piton_kaa
06-21-2009, 05:23 PM
yeh second one is "Krasnaya Presnya" oldest one. Third should be 80's but still tropical uniform
Respect to soviet NAVY officer! Great life!

xav
06-21-2009, 05:26 PM
Строительство нового эсминца для ВМФ России начнется не позднее 2012 года
Construction of the new destroyers for the Navy Russia will begin no later than 2012
Moscow. June 19. INTERFAX.RU - The new destroyer for the Navy, Russia plans to lay down no later than 2012, said head Russian Navy Admiral Vladimir Vysotsky.

"It would be more functional, more serious ship than standing today armed destroyer Project 956" - Vladimir Vysotsky told journalists on Friday in Arkhangelsk. According to him, the construction of the ship will begin no later than 2012. "

http://www.interfax.ru/society/news.asp?id=85998

Will it be like this: ?
http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/6933/21956last2520variantsc7.jpg

DarthJesus
06-21-2009, 05:31 PM
a littlebit of family history

http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1209716/father2.jpg



Looks like your father's comrade is about to shoot him for wearing those shorts.

jaybe
06-21-2009, 05:33 PM
Looks like your father's comrade is about to shoot him for wearing those shorts.

fashion is fashion rofl

Lesa
06-21-2009, 05:38 PM
Here some more video, but I don't know how put it in forum.

http://**********/tracks/207709.html?v=60bb4b31264c5bd3b72e22dc8699b3c4

http://**********/tracks/1077624.html?v=352e8f5d8d8d0d24ef794dce0ab12a30

Kunal Biswas
06-21-2009, 05:38 PM
A combo like the 30/100 on the BMP-3(M)

It would add significant power to the shots and makes it easier to totaly destroy enemy vehicles like upgraded/armoured MRAP's/IFV's.



Oh boohoo for the enemy rofl. Why would you need to worry about the enemy?



Then phase out the 100mm munition to replace it with the 115mm.



That is true but the armour flaws in the BMP-3's design can be changed in the BMP-4's



To phase out the BMP-3 since its armour and weaponment are starting to get a bit dated.


Thanks for info !! Anyways..... Isn't its difficult for Russia mech inf to change vehicles on regular interval...... means training , Repairing , parts etc....

R4ND0M
06-21-2009, 05:43 PM
http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/6933/21956last2520variantsc7.jpg
Dont tell me it doesnt run on nuclear fuel :S
You gonna spoil the environment, it just started to get used to your decaying waste.

Hilbert
06-21-2009, 05:43 PM
Lesa thank you for the awesome photos and videos!

asch
06-21-2009, 05:47 PM
Dont tell me it doesnt run on nuclear fuel :S
You gonna spoil the environment, it just started to get used to your decaying waste.


it's not some tree-huggers discussion thread, "Strictly Photos & Videos" section.

K-5
06-21-2009, 06:03 PM
Dont tell me it doesnt run on nuclear fuel :S
You gonna spoil the environment, it just started to get used to your decaying waste.
Exactly opposite of reality. Russian containment waste management practices are on par and in some aspects above the standards imposed by, say, US Energy Dept. Russia doesn't fancy some two hundred bases around the globe where it can just refuel with fossil derived fuel 24/7.

SandBagger
06-21-2009, 06:04 PM
sorry slightly off topic but anybody know where i can get mockbas? online maybe (tried ebay no luck)

JohnnyWalker
06-21-2009, 06:19 PM
My father is from Moldavia - from Unguryany, village settled mostly by Hungarians, so maybe we are relatives :)

hahaha, maybe. I can't even say where my family is from in Moldavia or Rumania, we have no records from that side.

JohnnyWalker
06-21-2009, 06:20 PM
sorry slightly off topic but anybody know where i can get mockbas? online maybe (tried ebay no luck)

what the hell is mockbas?

Lesa
06-21-2009, 06:35 PM
Here some more video, but I don't know how put it in forum.

http://**********/tracks/207709.html?v=60bb4b31264c5bd3b72e22dc8699b3c4

http://**********/tracks/1077624.html?v=352e8f5d8d8d0d24ef794dce0ab12a30

In the last video year 2006 you can see our hero Sercov Dmitriy. He passed this exam for 3 times. He was very good fellow. His father is a general. He was killed in 2007.
http://vimpelpress.ucoz.ru/030307/Serkov.jpg

http://vimpelpress.ucoz.ru/030307/Serkov.jpg it is the list of heroes.
http://dimaserkov-club.ucoz.ru it is the club of his memory.

RomanS
06-21-2009, 06:40 PM
In the last video year 2006 you can see our hero Sercov Dmitriy. He passed this exam for 3 times. He was very good fellow. His father is a general. He was killed in 2007.
http://vimpelpress.ucoz.ru/030307/Serkov.jpg

http://vimpelpress.ucoz.ru/030307/Serkov.jpg it is the list of heroes.
http://dimaserkov-club.ucoz.ru it is the club of his memory.

Rest in Peace brother!

We will never forget you!!!

dzhaga-dzhaga
06-21-2009, 06:44 PM
what the hell is mockbas?
+1

also very interesting to know

Lesa
06-21-2009, 07:03 PM
Sorry, there was a mistake. The list of heroes - http://osn.bkb-vityaz.ru/heroes.php

intelligenzija
06-21-2009, 07:07 PM
thank you for the interesting links

JohnnyWalker
06-21-2009, 07:25 PM
Sorry, there was a mistake. The list of heroes - http://osn.bkb-vityaz.ru/heroes.php

I have had this link bookmarked for a while. It's good to know your heros

K-5
06-22-2009, 03:54 AM
new russian artillery vehicle, not new but modernisation of 2s1

http://i023.radikal.ru/0906/09/95f126d26024.jpg

more http://litnik.in.ua/content/view/476/99/
More details about the upgrade package. Apart from muzzle break, cannon appears to be the same as in Vena SPG
http://i2.guns.ru/forums/icons/forum_pictures/000253/253485.jpg

BoevayaSistema
06-22-2009, 04:46 AM
Victor II
http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/2561/273256.jpg
http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/7500/282342.jpg

BoevayaSistema
06-22-2009, 04:47 AM
Typhoon
http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/3003/653939.jpg
http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/5595/653947.jpg

BoevayaSistema
06-22-2009, 04:48 AM
Delta IV
http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/1430/delta4.jpg
Oscar
http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/8514/oscarclass.jpg

Douros81
06-22-2009, 04:49 AM
http://i.flamber.ru/files/st1/1211922554/1245598394_o.jpg

It looks like Can Am ATV, those are not cheap. I know its not a Yamaha.

dorinne wong
06-22-2009, 05:18 AM
great
can you upload another great russian training exercise?

Zmey
06-22-2009, 07:10 AM
It looks like Can Am ATV, those are not cheap. I know its not a Yamaha.

Oh no, those arent cheap at all.... those were FREE.

Courtesy of our Georgian friends and partners.

Morboute
06-22-2009, 07:22 AM
http://i.flamber.ru/files/st1/1211922554/1245598394_o.jpg

It looks like Can Am ATV, those are not cheap. I know its not a Yamaha.

all they need now is some old style plate armor, shield, lance and they can start massed ATV cavalry charges. p-)

Kunal Biswas
06-22-2009, 07:43 AM
http://i.flamber.ru/files/st1/1211922554/1245598394_o.jpg

It looks like Can Am ATV, those are not cheap. I know its not a Yamaha.

Russian cowboy !! .. Anyways is that a real Georgian he is sitting on ??

German Army
06-22-2009, 08:09 AM
a littlebit of family history







http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1209716/father2.jpg




On the right site of this picture, the man had a Sa-18 Grouse ?

jaybe
06-22-2009, 08:41 AM
On the right site of this picture, the man had a Sa-18 Grouse ?

It's common practice to have Iglas and RPGs on deck all the time

So it's not an end of 70's but something like 1983

Mousepad
06-22-2009, 08:42 AM
22 of June Never Again!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAs75EsAgMc&feature=related