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void
06-01-2009, 08:09 PM
South Africa and France too? huh

Yeah, France at least used to build the LeClerk (stopped now). But SA? What tanks do they design/build?

MZKT
06-01-2009, 08:45 PM
SA designed and produced the Olifant Mk1.
http://www.greendevils.pl/technika_wojskowa/bron_pancerna/ttd_i_olifant/olifant_tank1.jpg

It is probably the most modern Centurion offspring


Russia is one of the few countries that actually still produces tanks.....add to this number the couple of hundred tanks that have undergone major overhaul and upgrade last year

I wouldn't call T-72BA programm a "major overhaul and upgrade". Rogatka would be, but not BA.

void
06-01-2009, 08:50 PM
SA designed and produced the Olifant Mk1, it is related to Centurion
http://www.greendevils.pl/technika_wojskowa/bron_pancerna/ttd_i_olifant/olifant_tank1.jpg



Isnt the Olifant an upgrade/derivative of the British Centurion? Are they in production currently?

Husar-T
06-01-2009, 09:32 PM
USA, Germany, France, Great Britain,

They can produce but they aren't currently.


India, Iran, South Afrika (?) , Ukraine etc. are all producing tanks now. And I think some decades ago there were fewer countries which industry was capable to manufacture MBTs.The ones above ....yes and no

China (the biggest producer) and Israel should be added to the list


I wouldn't call T-72BA programm a "major overhaul and upgrade". Rogatka would be, but not BAI guess it depends on your point of view....a new engine, FCS, extra armour is a pretty major overhaul in my book.

Why would you go for Rogatka when for almost the same money you can get a brand new tank?

Stoupas
06-02-2009, 02:11 AM
Russian brothers: this is OT but what would ura or ura pobeda look like written in cyrillic?

jaybe
06-02-2009, 02:16 AM
russian brothers: This is ot but what would ura or ura pobeda look like written in cyrillic?
УРА
ПОБЕДА

Dark-Angel25
06-02-2009, 03:26 AM
Russian Pacific Fleet

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/2480/1550547381.jpg

Russia marks Pacific Fleet Day on May 21. Some episodes from the life of the crew of the Guards guided-missile cruiser Varyag
http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/7184/1550547331.jpg

The Guards guided-missile cruiser Varyag underway at sea.
http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/3173/1550547281.jpg

Sailor-initiation ceremony aboard the Guards guided-missile cruiser Varyag underway at sea. After drinking a cup of pure seawater, a young sailor proclaims: "Mother, I'm now a Pacific Fleet sailor
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/9947/1550547231.jpg

Launching a motor boat from the Guards guided-missile cruiser Varyag underway at sea
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/7636/1550547181.jpg

Russia will celebrate Pacific Fleet Day on May 21. The Guards guided-missile cruiser Varyag underway at sea
http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/627/1550547131.jpg

The guard-of-honor company of the guided-missile cruiser Varyag during an exercise
http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/7867/1550547031.jpg

Russia marks Pacific Fleet Day on May 21. The Guards guided-missile cruiser Varyag underway at sea. A wreath in memory of Russian sailors killed in the 1905 battle of Tsushima Strait
http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/6131/1550547081.jpg

A sailor bidding farewell to his relatives before a long-duration mission
http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/3194/1550547431.jpg

An officer bidding farewell to his relatives before a long-duration mission.

Universals
06-02-2009, 07:00 AM
where are the photos that go with those captions?

Wiedzmin
06-02-2009, 08:56 AM
According to the knowing, its close enough but pak will have slightly other outlines.

btw, WW2 soviet acu :)
http://s55.radikal.ru/i147/0906/87/a4622a0a024b.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)

it's not "cifra", but very old camo "Listopad"
http://www.fortification.ru/upl2007/camouflage_cl04.jpg
http://www.fortification.ru/upl2007/camouflage_cl03.jpg
http://www.fortification.ru/upl2007/camouflage_cl05.jpg


and one more

http://www.fortification.ru/upl2007/camouflage_46.JPG
http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/964/x60e63451.jpg

camo pattern "Palma" 1944 , second photo modern suit with pattern "Palma"

Bescht
06-02-2009, 11:47 AM
Looks like some early version of KLMK.

Mormaeglin
06-02-2009, 12:16 PM
Wiedzmin! I love You for those fotki!!! blagodarju!! magnificent! yay! haha :D

- Da,da as collector I am crazy about Soviet and Russian camos ,P

GDS
06-02-2009, 12:22 PM
it's not "cifra", but very old camo "Listopad
I know, but from apart looks similar to ucp)

xav
06-02-2009, 12:31 PM
Pak-Fa Magazine

http://www.paralay.com/stat/Bulat_12.pdf

GDS
06-02-2009, 12:33 PM
few more:
http://s41.radikal.ru/i091/0906/63/7c440b8eb896.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)
http://i039.radikal.ru/0906/e0/6dcecd48c991.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)
http://s59.radikal.ru/i163/0906/da/4a386f42d92e.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)
http://i024.radikal.ru/0906/58/774adfed9c21.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)
http://s52.radikal.ru/i135/0906/bf/bba2bfc903df.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)
http://s55.radikal.ru/i147/0906/d8/aa4a5d66e003.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)

ignat8080
06-02-2009, 12:41 PM
http://i732.photobucket.com/albums/ww324/ignassio_bush/2-7.gif

http://i732.photobucket.com/albums/ww324/ignassio_bush/3-7.gif

http://i732.photobucket.com/albums/ww324/ignassio_bush/1-8.gif

Mormaeglin
06-02-2009, 12:45 PM
http://i732.photobucket.com/albums/ww324/ignassio_bush/2-7.gif


M36 Helmet or rather Ssh-39?

ignat8080
06-02-2009, 12:47 PM
i have no any idea((

ignat8080
06-02-2009, 12:48 PM
no it's soviet

Mormaeglin
06-02-2009, 12:49 PM
So then Soviet Kaska obr. 36 or Ssh-39 ,P

@GDS thanks for fotki too!

TheArmenian
06-02-2009, 01:43 PM
2 videos from the OMSK military show which is underway currently.
T-95 was not shown there. Maybe at Nizhny-Tagil next month.

1. Featuring ANGARA, Fighter engines, V. YARYAGIN and his pistol.
http://www.zvezdanews.ru/video/day_events/army/0031511/

2. AN-2, T-80 and T-90
http://www.vesti.ru/videos?vid=220090&p=1&sort=1&cid=7

JohnnyWalker
06-02-2009, 03:00 PM
I APOLOGIZE, I forgot to write translation.
This is translit from prompt.

To connection of the surface ships of the Black Sea fleet — 40 years

On April, 4th, 2009 the solemn actions devoted to 40th anniversary from the date of the basis of connection of the surface ships of the Black Sea fleet have taken place. According to already settled tradition, at the memorable sign built in honour of a squadron of fleet, become famous in days of the Great Patriotic War, there has passed solemn checking. On waves of the Sevastopol bay in honour of the lost seamen mourning wreaths have laid down. Representatives of command of the Black Sea fleet, the city authorities, delegation from Moscow led by an admiral and #65533; a grief of Kasatonovym, veterans, staff of ships ЧФ, inhabitants of a hero town, почтив memory fallen minute of silence, have assigned flowers to a memorable sign on a squadron.
The checking devoted to anniversary, has come to the end with a solemn march of staff of connection and an orchestra of a staff of fleet. Then in the Officers' Club of the Black Sea fleet of the Russian Federation the solemn meeting devoted to anniversary of connection has taken place. The commander of the Black Sea fleet vice-admiral Alexander Kletskov has congratulated veterans and seamen-chernomortsev on this significant date.
On the instructions of decent Sevastopol district the prior of the Piously-Nikolsky temple-monument has taken part in actions archpriest George Poljakov. Solemn actions have come to the end with a concert of naval creative collectives.



Соединению надводных кораблей Черноморского флота — 40 лет
(http://www.pobeda.ru/index2.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=10041&pop=1&page=0&Itemid=169)
(http://www.pobeda.ru/index2.php?option=com_content&task=emailform&id=10041&itemid=169) 4 апреля 2009 года состоялись торжественные мероприятия, посвященные 40-й годовщине со дня основания соединения надводных кораблей Черноморского флота. Согласно уже устоявшееся традиции,у памятного знака, сооруженного в честь эскадры флота, прославившейся в годы Великой Отечественной войны, прошла торжественная поверка. На волны Севастопольской бухты в честь погибших моряков легли траурные венки. Представители командования Черноморского флота, городских властей,делегация из Москвы во главе с адмиралом Игорем Касатоновым, ветераны, личный состав кораблей ЧФ, жители города-героя, почтив память павших минутой молчания, возложили цветы к памятному знаку эскадры.
Поверка, посвященная юбилею, завершилась торжественным маршем личного состава соединения и оркестра штаба флота. Затем в Доме офицеров Черноморского флота РФ состоялось торжественное собрание, посвященное юбилею соединения.Командующий Черноморским флотом вице-адмирал Александр Клецков поздравил ветеранов и моряков-черноморцев с этой знаменательной датой.
По поручению благочинного Севастопольского округа в мероприятиях принял участие настоятель Свято-Никольского храма-памятника протоиерей Георгий Поляков. Торжественные мероприятия завершились концертом флотских творческих коллективов.


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JohnnyWalker
06-02-2009, 03:04 PM
I APOLOGIZE, I forgot to write translation.
This is translit from prompt.

Cadets ТОВМИ; a name of admiral S.O.Makarova have accepted the military oath
On September, 6th, 2008 at Pacific Naval institute of a name of admiral S.O.Makarova solemn ceremony of acceptance of the oath has taken place. This year sacred words for each Russian soldier have said more than 250 young men who have put on курсантские epaulets.
This day on a parade-ground there were many relatives young «макаровцев». After the termination of ritual they were congratulated by the deputy chief of a staff of Pacific fleet rear admiral Andrey Voitovich who has told to first-year students that they should continue the best traditions of military service in the third millenium, to build new army and fleet ХХ and # 65533; centuries, worthy great Russia. Also before cadets with congratulations and parting words the Archbishop Vladivostok and Seaside Veniamin has acted.
Taken the oath representatives of the regional and city authorities, and also public organisations of Primorski Krai and Vladivostok have congratulated.


Курсанты ТОВМИ имени адмирала С.О. Макарова приняли военную присягу
6 сентября 2008 года в Тихоокеанском Военно-морском институте имени адмирала С.О. Макарова состоялась торжественная церемония принятия присяги. В этом году священные для каждого российского воина слова произнесли более 250 молодых людей, надевших курсантские погоны.
В этот день на плацу было много родственников молодых «макаровцев». После окончания ритуала их поздравил заместитель начальника штаба Тихоокеанского флота контр-адмирал Андрей Войтович, который сказал первокурсникам, что им предстоит продолжить лучшие традиции ратной службы в третьем тысячелетии, строить новые армию и флот XXI века, достойные великой России. Также перед курсантами с поздравлениями и напутственными словами выступил Архиепископ Владивостокский и Приморский Вениамин.
Принявших присягу поздравили представители краевых и городских властей, а также общественных организаций Приморья и Владивостока.


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void
06-02-2009, 06:19 PM
2 videos from the OMSK military show which is underway currently.
T-95 was not shown there. Maybe at Nizhny-Tagil next month.

1. Featuring ANGARA, Fighter engines, V. YARYAGIN and his pistol.
http://www.zvezdanews.ru/video/day_events/army/0031511/

2. AN-2, T-80 and T-90
http://www.vesti.ru/videos?vid=220090&p=1&sort=1&cid=7

Not much chance of the T-95, a UVZ tank, being shown at the Omsk show. I think they would want to reveal it in their home town (hopefully this year), and so we need to wait until the Nizhny Tagil expo. *fingers crossed*

Husar-T
06-02-2009, 07:29 PM
Not much chance of the T-95, a UVZ tank, being shown at the Omsk show. I think they would want to reveal it in their home town (hopefully this year), and so we need to wait until the Nizhny Tagil expo. *fingers crossed*

It would be nice to see the T-95 but I doubt it.

Apparently they might present the new version of the T-90, the T-90M (or T-90B as it's referred sometimes) this year

JohnnyWalker
06-02-2009, 07:31 PM
Russian Pacific Fleethttp://img51.imageshack.us/img51/3194/1550547431.jpg

Where are the photos?>

void
06-02-2009, 08:50 PM
New Russian Self Propelled Artillery project:

http://andrei-bt.livejournal.com/12598.html

GazB
06-03-2009, 03:24 AM
New Russian Self Propelled Artillery project:

I have seen a few Russian tank designs that use two seperate vehicles that are connected together. I always thought that such a design would be best suited to something like TOR where the front vehicle is the standard TOR vehicle with engine and crew and turret with vertical launchers and radars etc, and that the trailer would have its own engine and fuel supply but be lower so the radars on the main vehicle could still see 360 degrees but down the centre of the trailer is packs and packs of missiles. The SA-15 missile is loaded in a pack of a single row of 4 missiles in a pod. Two pods are fitted to the main vehicle in the turret but you could put 6 or more down the centre of the trailer which means each vehicle could carry more than two dozen missiles.
The advantage is that it is harder to overwhelm the vehicle. When the trailer is depleted it can be released and another loaded trailer attached. The missiles themselves for the TOR are simple and have no onboard sensor so they are very cheap. The new radar setup of the TOR allows lots of targets to be simultaneously tracked and the vertical launch of the missile means that the turret can fire without turning to face the targets.

This artillery concept is similar to the artillery support vehicle the US had for the M109 though in this case it might be because the turret is full of autoloader and the rest of the crew need somewhere to sit.

Timmy!
06-03-2009, 03:28 AM
VDV training, new VDV chief Shamanov jumped with the parachute and also lamied that there's a project of giving "micro-motorbikes" to paratroopers.

http://zvezdanews.ru/video/day_events/army/0031529/

K-5
06-03-2009, 03:11 PM
VDV training, new VDV chief Shamanov jumped with the parachute and also lamied that there's a project of giving "micro-motorbikes" to paratroopers.

http://zvezdanews.ru/video/day_events/army/0031529/
Human Rights International wants him incarcerated for crimes against humanity... Grachev then should get The Nobel Peace Prize:bash:
BMP-2M with Berezhek module
http://www.primeportal.net/apc/yuri_pasholok/bmp-2m_w_kornet/index.php?Page=1
http://data3.primeportal.net/apc/yuri_pasholok/bmp-2m_w_kornet/images/bmp-2m_w_kornet_001_of_123.jpg

And BTR-90
http://www.primeportal.net/apc/yuri_pasholok/btr-90/
http://data3.primeportal.net/apc/yuri_pasholok/btr-90/images/btr-90_001_of_169.jpg

-Julik- 4.GdKp
06-03-2009, 04:20 PM
Human Rights International wants him incarcerated for crimes against humanity... Grachev then should get Nobel Peace Price:bash:


Grachev the scumbag should be jailed.

-Julik- 4.GdKp
06-03-2009, 04:44 PM
From Omsk
http://zvezdanews.ru/video/day_events/army/0031567/?PHPSESSID=c62202c1accb8681f30204a8c46b1eee

new uniforms
http://zvezdanews.ru/video/day_events/army/0031589/?PHPSESSID=c62202c1accb8681f30204a8c46b1eee

gatkii810
06-03-2009, 04:54 PM
rofl75619
)))))))))))))))))))))))

K-5
06-03-2009, 04:59 PM
From Omsk
http://zvezdanews.ru/video/day_events/army/0031567/?PHPSESSID=c62202c1accb8681f30204a8c46b1eee

new uniforms
http://zvezdanews.ru/video/day_events/army/0031589/?PHPSESSID=c62202c1accb8681f30204a8c46b1eee
Good vids, TY. T-90 is really sluggish on the gorkas:-(

SniperLane
06-03-2009, 06:23 PM
rofl75619
)))))))))))))))))))))))

LOOOOOOOOL roflrofl woot

K-5
06-03-2009, 06:40 PM
LOOOOOOOOL roflrofl woot
No protection? Oh, right he must be republicanrofl

Hyde
06-03-2009, 07:39 PM
No one noticed the double buratino in the OMSk vid... let the psing begin! :D

K-5
06-03-2009, 07:47 PM
No one noticed the double buratino in the OMSk vid... let the psing begin! :D
It's a reloading vehicle, and it's been around for a while:roll:

JohnnyWalker
06-03-2009, 11:36 PM
Sorry if repost. English translation at bottom

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«Восьмерка». Большая работа
Дмитрий Беляков, автор


The special troops are a work for abnormal. For the fans-hunters, ready to work for real copecks. From hundred exits on СБЗ (sluzhebno-fighting problems. —“ РР ”) ninety nine pass for nothing and yield zero result, but one“ выстреливает ”as it is necessary. For the sake of this unique result we — here». Not named senior officer of special troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs«Спецназ — это работа для ненормальных. Для фанатов-охотников, готовых работать за сущие копейки. Из ста выходов на СБЗ (служебно-боевые задачи. — “РР”) девяносто девять проходят впустую и дают нулевой результат, но один “выстреливает” как надо. Ради этого единственного результата мы — здесь». Неназванный старший офицер спецназа МВД

From edition: some names of employees of special troops are changed or lowered, От редакции: изменены либо опущены некоторые имена сотрудников спецназа,
Names of settlements, numbers of squares of areas, названия населенных пунктов, номера квадратов районов,
Concrete call signs and radio frequenciesконкретные позывные и радиочастоты
Day 1−йДень 1−й

We go with familiar ГРУшником from Ossetia to Dagestan. A short stop on the block between Ingushetia and the Chechen Republic. It is grey-kamufliyoroyovannyj the sergeant of the Ingush traffic police important corrects a cap, scratches a forehead, peering in opened ксиву the colonel, uncertainly is interested: Едем со знакомым ГРУшником из Осетии в Дагестан. Короткая остановка на блоке между Ингушетией и Чечней. Серо-камуфли*ро*ванный сержант ингушского ДПС важно поправляет кепку, чешет лоб, всматриваясь в раскрытую ксиву полковника, неуверенно интересуется:

— Mi you we will write down, yes?— Ми вас запишем, да?

— No, we will not write down, so we will go.— Нет, не запишем, так поедем.

— Well, and дэвушка ours in Asinovku will take?— Хорошо, а дэвушка наш в Асиновку довезете?

— No, we will not take: ураза, братан …— Нет, не довезем: ураза, братан…

The block post disappears in a dust cloud. The swarty colonel contemptiously bends lips: «Milksops! The taxi driver have found!“ Ours дэвушка ”bring to it! Tore up it on the block, here let and bring! Рамадан, by the way, and they of **********s имают, goats …»Блок-пост исчезает в облаке пыли. Смуглый полковник презрительно кривит губы: «Сопляки! Таксиста нашли! “Наша дэвушка” отвези ему! Сами драли ее на блоке, вот пусть сами и отвозят! Рамадан, кстати, а они проституток имают, козлы…»

From gate of a check point of group I am am taken away by three hefty good fellows in "hills" (a suit of the member of spetsnaz. — «РР»). Hot, a parade-ground плавится, but in tent it is cool, and mineral water pleasantly cools. Have eaten up three «фытджина» with meat that всучили friends in Beslan, have washed down with "a magic drink» — with arrival, the reporter!У ворот КПП отряда меня забирают три дюжих молодца в «горках» (костюм спецназовца. — «РР»). Жарко, плац плавится, но в палатке прохладно, и минералка приятно холодит. Доели три «фытджина» с мясом, что всучили друзья в Беслане, запили «волшебным напитком» — с приездом, репортер!

My "brother" Igor, the commander 4−й groups of group of special troops of Ministry of Internal Affairs "Russia", расстроенно retells to me last incident in area Gubdena, in the republic northwest. Мой «братишка» Игорь, командир 4−й группы отряда спецназа МВД «Русь», расстроенно пересказывает мне последний инцидент в районе Губдена, на северо-западе республики.

«Have gone to plant (in an ambush. — “РР”) in mountains two days ago: there has passed the information that there the bearded climb from village in wood and back. Have sat down at night on a track. We have gone together with local operas. I have seated group on bushes. Daghestanis too занычились hardly below a hill where I sat with the two. Has not passed also three minutes as on us there were four bodies. Who such, what for people? I see that with the weapon but shoot I could not: between me and these unknown persons just were an opera. On me too fire did not open.«Пошли засаживать (в засаду. — “РР”) в горы два дня назад: прошла информация, что там бородатые лазят из села в лес и обратно. Сели ночью на тропе. Пошли мы вместе с местными операми. Я рассадил группу по кустам. Дагестанцы тоже занычились чуть ниже холма, где я сидел со своей двойкой. Не прошло и трех минут, как на нас вышли четыре тела. Кто такие, что за люди? Вижу, что с оружием, но стрелять я не мог: между мной и этими неизвестными как раз находились опера. По мне тоже огня не открывали.

We stand in two-three metres from each other . I see: the trunk is aimed at me. For some seconds has pumped over a situation and … has decided to wait. If it is spirits we will be cut and we will interrupt them though at me chances to escape in near fight would not be, and оперов this bad should be brought down too, they аккурат in the firing line were. We wait, we sit. I броник from myself have pulled down, before myself have exposed — though any protection, "Shaft" (АСС — the automatic machine special collapsible under 9−мм спецпатрон. — “РР”) on it has put. From me sweat cold flows. I feel that it is spirits: well who on wood begins to be rummaged at night ? No, can, of course, these are someone's ГРУшники, or scouts with ОРБ (a separate prospecting battalion. — “РР”), or local OMON, but not mushroom pickers — it is exact. I it language so slightly поцокал. They to me поцокали. Type the … And then very-very slowly all four, moving back, it was silently dissolved in the dark.Стоим в двух-трех метрах друг от друга . Вижу: на меня ствол нацелен. За несколько секунд прокачал ситуацию и… решил выждать. Если это духи, то зарубимся и перебьем их, хотя у меня шансов уцелеть в ближнем бою не было бы, да и оперов этих дурных пришлось бы тоже валить, они аккурат на линии огня находились. Ждем, сидим. Я броник с себя стащил, перед собой выставил — хоть какая-то защита, “Вал” (АСС — автомат специальный складной под 9−мм спецпатрон. — “РР”) на него положил. С меня пот холодный течет. Я чувствую, что это духи: ну кто ночью по лесу шариться станет? Нет, может, конечно, это чьи-то ГРУшники, или разведчики с ОРБ (отдельный разведывательный батальон. — “РР”), или местный ОМОН, но не грибники — точно. Я им языком так легонько поцокал. Они мне поцокали. Типа свои… А потом очень-очень медленно вся четверка, пятясь, тихо растворилась в темноте.

We sat on this track all night long — more nobody has come. I then have thanked the brothers for endurance: that nobody запсиховал, did not begin to shoot . Сидели мы на этой тропе всю ночь — больше никто не пришел. Своих братишек я потом за выдержку поблагодарил: за то, что никто не запсиховал, стрелять не стал.

Cops have immediately merged the information in the republic Ministry of Internal Affairs: “Russian special troops have missed from under a nose ten gangsters!” At me shouted, accused of cowardice. Only you know, I am better in tactically unprofitable situation for myself I will allow them to leave, than to roll a corpse in wood this damned. What to use from me dead?»Менты немедленно слили информацию в МВД республики: “Русский спецназ упустил из-под носа десять бандитов!” На меня орали, обвиняли в трусости. Только знаешь, лучше я в тактически невыгодной для себя ситуации позволю им уйти, чем валяться трупом в лесу этом проклятом. Что проку от меня мертвого?»

During evening checking the commander instructed the fighters. «The first: lifting in 4.30 mornings. You will have 30 minutes to make mylno-rylnye affairs, to have breakfast and adjust bullet-proof vests. Everyone should have with itself(himself) on a potable water flask. And me to a star where you will find it ! Also to prepare on two white *****s of a material on рукавные bandages of type“”, — to distinguish during time боестолк*новения the from strangers. Во время вечерней поверки командир инструктировал своих бойцов. «Первое: подъем в 4.30 утра. У вас будет 30 минут, чтобы сделать мыльно-рыльные дела, позавтракать и подогнать бронежилеты. Каждый должен иметь с собой по фляжке питьевой воды. И мне до звезды, где вы ее найдете! Также приготовить по две белые полосы материала на рукавные повязки типа “свой”, — чтобы отличать во время боестолк*новения своих от чужих.

The second: each marksman a beret with itself on 10 shops (300 cartridges. — “РР”), machine gunners receive ПКМ "Pecheneg" and on 800 cartridges in tapes and подсумках, the radio operator besides a hand arm receives 159−ю station, batteries and portable radio sets. Nobody takes with itself(himself) спецоружие, except the commander of group. It receives АСС "Shaft" and 200 cartridges ПАБ-9 to it. (The Commander of group can work independently and as a part of group, using the silent automatic machine even in case of serious зарубы, but all group works on defeat, providing a shaft of fire from all trunks. FIRE SHAFT, instead of silent "ps-ps", suppressing resistance and will of the opponent.)Второе: каждый стрелок берет с собой по 10 магазинов (300 патронов. — “РР”), пулеметчики получают ПКМ “Печенег” и по 800 патронов в лентах и подсумках, радист помимо личного оружия получает 159−ю станцию, батареи и рации. Никто не берет с собой спецоружие, кроме командира группы. Он получает АСС “Вал” и 200 патронов ПАБ-9 к нему. (Командир группы может работать автономно и в составе группы, пользуясь бесшумным автоматом даже в случае серьезной зарубы, но вся группа работает на поражение, обеспечивая вал огня со всех стволов. Именно ВАЛ ОГНЯ, а не тихое “пс-пс”, подавляя сопротивление и волю противника.)

Besides, everyone receives pomegranates, senior in head and closing patrol receive portable radio sets for communication with the commander of group, and the commander, in turn, receives two portable radio sets — one for communication with command of group and commanders of other groups, the second for communication with seniors of patrols. Кроме того, каждый получает гранаты, старшие в головном и замыкающем дозоре получают рации для связи с командиром группы, а командир, в свою очередь, получает две рации — одну для связи с командованием отряда и командирами других групп, вторую для связи со старшими дозоров.

The third: all go to work in "hills" — all “” should look equally. Everyone receives and adjusts to itself a bullet-proof vest. Same concerns also the photographer who goes with us to work. Here this person. His name is Dmitry ».Третье: все идут работать в “горках” — все “свои” должны выглядеть одинаково. Каждый получает и подгоняет под себя бронежилет. Это же касается и фотографа, который идет с нами работать. Вот этот человек. Его зовут Дмитрий».

In tent 4−й ГСН (special troops group. — «РР») at full speed went вздрючка fighters. The commander of group addressed to the subordinates informally — "monkeys". But "monkeys" командирский appreciated rough humour and did not take offence. Igor in group loved and obeyed implicitly. From many I heard: «With the commander to us has carried. В палатке 4−й ГСН (группа спецназа. — «РР») полным ходом шла вздрючка бойцов. Командир группы обращался к своим подчиненным неформально — «обезьяны». Но «обезьяны» командирский грубый юмор ценили и не обижались. Игоря в группе любили и повиновались беспрекословно. От многих я слышал: «С командиром нам повезло.

Real experienced спец ». That the truth that the truth — Igor has passed the second Chechen war: began the fighter-srochniyokom, now — the officer, the captain of special troops, the commander of the best in group of group which regularly goes on fighting problems, instead of it is simple under dresses тарится, and to all other«краповик»(the fighter of special troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the passed examination on the carrying right крапового a beret). Two wounds, huge fighting experience behind shoulders, awards … Igor really seriously learnt the people to be at war.Реальный матерый спец». Что правда то правда — Игорь прошел вторую чеченскую войну: начинал бойцом-срочни*ком, сейчас — офицер, капитан спецназа, командир лучшей в отряде группы, которая регулярно ходит на боевые задачи, а не просто по нарядам тарится, и ко всему прочему «краповик» (боец спецназа МВД, сдавший экзамен на право ношения крапового берета). Два ранения, огромный боевой опыт за плечами, награды… Игорь действительно серьезно учил своих людей воевать.
Fighters of special troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs for some minutes prior to the beginning of mountain spot-check

Fighters of special troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs for some minutes prior to the beginning of mountain spot-checkБойцы спецназа МВД за несколько минут до начала горного рейда

— So, two to me! Took, have found one bed, have brought here, the others have shifted. Things of the visitor of group (it) while to leave on mine.— Так, двое ко мне! Взяли, нашли одну кровать, принесли сюда, остальные сдвинули. Вещи гостя отряда (это я) пока оставить на моей.

Two green-brown shades were threw to execute the order. In ten minutes all has been found, executed and put . Having got with feet on the time bed, I observed, how Igor instructs people before a fighting exit. Две зелено-коричневые тени метнулись исполнять приказ. Через десять минут все было найдено, исполнено и поставлено . Забравшись с ногами на свое временное койко-место, я наблюдал, как Игорь инструктирует людей перед боевым выходом.

— So, my monkeys! At whom less than ten shops? All have received on ten? A carp, how many at you? You a monkey! I have asked all, it seems?! On — nine, ten! Where you want thrust. You can push in an ass! Now will bring pomegranates, and I will give out them to you. But you to me tell, the uncle, you подсумки for — Так, обезьяны мои! У кого меньше десяти магазинов? Все получили по десять? Карп, сколько у тебя? Ты обезьяна! Я у всех спросил, кажется?! На — девять, десять! Куда хочешь засовывай. Можешь в жопу затолкнуть! Сейчас принесут гранаты, и я их вам выдам. Но ты мне скажи, дядя, ты подсумки для

ВОГов (pomegranates for подствольного a grenade cup discharge. — «РР») on five pieces took? On five? The uncle, you abnormal? You on war go or on a disco? Well run has found and has shown to me normal подсумок! 30 seconds — time have gone! ВОГов (гранаты для подствольного гранатомета. — «РР») на пять штук взял? На пять? Дядя, ты ненормальный? Ты на войну идешь или на дискотеку? Ну-ка бегом нашел и показал мне нормальный подсумок! 30 секунд — время пошло!

Have brought boxes with pomegranates. In everyone separately from green тяжеленьких the balls, wrapped in the oiled paper, fuses lay. Igor personally broke off convolutions, screwed up fuses in grenades and put in a palm to the fighter, considering about itself: six … eight … twelve … Принесли ящики с гранатами. В каждом отдельно от зеленых тяжеленьких шариков, завернутые в промасленную бумагу, лежали запалы. Игорь лично разрывал свертки, завинчивал запалы внутрь гранат и вкладывал в ладонь бойцу, считая про себя: шесть… восемь… двенадцать…

— Monkeys! How we put a grenade in a pocket подсумка or in a satchel?— Обезьяны! Как мы кладем гранату в карман подсумка или в ранец?

— A ring to itself, that-arishch the captain!— Кольцом к себе, та-арищ капитан!

— Good fellows, monkeys! That that?— Молодцы, обезьяны! Чтобы что?

— Not to be hooked casually for a branch in wood and not to be undermined, that-arishch the captain!— Чтобы не зацепиться случайно за ветку в лесу и не подорваться, та-арищ капитан!

— How we move with the weapon in wood, monkeys?— Как мы передвигаемся с оружием в лесу, обезьяны?

— The weapon is on a safety lock, that-arishch the captain!— Оружие находится на предохранителе, та-арищ капитан!

— That that?— Чтобы что?

— Casually not to shoot, that-arishch the captain!— Чтобы случайно не выстрелить, та-арищ капитан!

— The sapper to me! The man, I wait your report!— Сапера ко мне! Мужчина, я жду ваш доклад!

Bewilderment on the person of the fighter causes scale of the unprintable theses which sense is reduced to that the sapper should serve in a construction battalion, instead of in special troops.Недоумение на лице бойца вызывает гамму непечатных тезисов, смысл которых сводится к тому, что саперу надо служить в стройбате, а не в спецназе.

— A JA-JA-baba-yaga … do not force me to be nervous! I have told to you to prepare a mine detector and … that?— Я-егу-бабу-ягу… Не заставляй меня нервничать! Я сказал тебе готовить миноискатель и… что?

— What?— Что?

— To receive and prepare trotyl, a monster!!! Has received trotyl? Where the report on it? You want all night long with the weight on a neck to stand — щас I will give out the weight, not a question! You wish to get tired, how Papanin on an ice floe?— Получать и готовить тротил, чудовище!!! Получил тротил? Где доклад об этом? Хочешь всю ночь с гирей на шее стоять — щас выдам гирю, не вопрос! Хочешь утомиться, как Папанин на льдине?

In general, punishments «on a weight method» are very popular in special troops. As everyone рукоприкладство is more strict it is forbidden, every possible alternative educational measures, for example run with 24−килограммовой the weight round base (sports exercise) or circulation with this weight on shoulders are used all the day, without excluding dining room and washstand visitings . Вообще, наказания «по методу гири» очень популярны в спецназе. Поскольку всякое рукоприкладство строжайше запрещено, используются всевозможные альтернативные воспитательные меры, например бег с 24−килограммовой гирей вокруг базы (спортивное упражнение) или хождение с этой гирей на плечах целый день, не исключая посещений столовой и умывальника.
Radio operators of groups verify frequencies before promotion in the squares

Radio operators of groups verify frequencies before promotion in the squaresРадисты групп сверяют частоты перед выдвижением в свои квадраты

— To listen everything, monkeys! All to put in РД (a satchel of the commando. — «РР») свитерочек and калики (underpants. — «РР»): at night at height it is cold, but it is supposed that we leave only per day, therefore under a bottom to dress nothing . We will creep on mountains, means, will be that? Will be hot! Once again I remind about a flask with water: water should be at everyone, a monkey …— Слушать всем, обезьяны! Всем положить в РД (ранец десантника. — «РР») свитерочек и калики (кальсоны. — «РР»): ночью на высоте холодно, но предполагается, что мы выходим только на день, поэтому под низ ничего не одевать. Мы будем ползать по горам, значит, будет что? Будет жарко! Еще раз напоминаю про флягу с водой: вода должна быть у каждого, обезьяны…

We still for a long time drank tea and frayed with Igor, recollecting any nonsense and poisoning jokes. It reconsidered photos of the family which I specially for it have made. Suddenly by us прошуршал a silhouette in the redМы еще долго чаевничали и трепались с Игорем, вспоминая всякую чепуху и травя анекдоты. Он пересматривал фотографии своей семьи, которые я специально для него сделал. Вдруг мимо нас прошуршал силуэт в красных

труселях.труселях.

— Hey, че there for a body rushes about? The dream does not go, the soldier? Щас I will find to you a problem till the morning!— Эй, че там за тело мечется? Сон не идет, воин? Щас найду вам задачу до утра!

"Body" is guilty has mumbled something about a toilet and has evaporated. I have fallen asleep all on one short hour. At me so always: I am afraid to oversleep on shooting, if early lifting. When group have lifted, I already washed …«Тело» виновато промямлило что-то про туалет и испарилось. Я уснул всего на один короткий час. У меня так всегда: боюсь проспать на съемку, если ранний подъем. Когда группу подняли, я уже умывался…
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The radio operator was called by Dinozavrik. It and really was fine similar on small стегоцефала with the big crest (the huge backpack filled железяками) on a back. Station R-159M weight together with the spare accumulator — 19 kg plus of 10 more kg of ammunition (the automatic machine, shops, pomegranates), РД with барахлом and 14 more kg of a bullet-proof vest. In total — about 55 kg on a back! Upwards on a track of 500 metres of lifting at an angle 75 degrees. As it is possible on itself переть, at me did not go in . The machine gunner dragged under 60 kg: itself ПКМ plus to thousand cartridges in boxes and a satchel, pomegranates and besides a bullet-proof vest. The usual marksman bore only"30 kg: the automatic machine equipped подствольником, 10 shops (300 cartridges), 10 pomegranates ВОГ (for подствольника), 2 usual pomegranates РГН or РГД and besides броник. Except military equipment each fighter dragged still the big backpack filled on a standard complete set: a sleeping bag, a rug, сухпай, clothes change. Радиста звали Динозаврик. Он и в самом деле был здорово похож на маленького стегоцефала с большим гребнем (огромным рюкзаком, набитым железяками) на спине. Вес станции Р-159М вместе с запасным аккумулятором — 19 кг плюс еще 10 кг амуниции (автомат, магазины, гранаты), РД с барахлом и еще 14 кг бронежилета. Всего — около 55 кг на спине! Вверх по тропе 500 метров подъема под углом 75 градусов. Как это можно на себе переть, у меня не укладывалось в голове . Пулеметчик тащил под 60 кг: сам ПКМ плюс до тысячи патронов в коробках и ранце, гранаты и опять же бронежилет. Обычный стрелок нес «всего» 30 кг: автомат, снаряженный подствольником, 10 магазинов (300 патронов), 10 гранат ВОГ (для подствольника), 2 обычные гранаты РГН или РГД и опять-таки броник. Кроме военного снаряжения каждый боец тащил еще большой рюкзак, набитый по стандартной комплектации: спальник, коврик, сухпай, смена одежды.

To me have defined a place in the second four in which tail I and trudged, being bent under weight of a bullet-proof vest on which I has been dressed «разгрузник» and a belt with подсумками where two digital chambers, objectives, spare batteries and the accumulator lay . To me it was most easier: on me I hung only 22 kg, but last time was taken by "sports" in fitness club about one and a half years ago, and to go uphill to me it was awfully heavy. From under feet ahead of going to eyes the dust and small pebbles flied . Breath got off. From pressure calves painfully ached, the back simply "fell off", being bent to the earth and forcing to rise on четвереньки and to creep. Мне определили место во второй четверке, в хвосте которой я и плелся, сгибаясь под тяжестью бронежилета, на который был одет мой «разгрузник» и пояс с подсумками, где лежали две цифровые камеры, объективы, запасные батареи и аккумулятор. Мне было легче всех: на мне висело всего 22 кг, но последний раз я занимался «спортом» в фитнес-клубе года полтора назад, и идти вверх по склону мне было ужасно тяжко. Из-под ног впереди идущего в глаза летели пыль и мелкие камушки. Дыхание сбивалось. От напряжения больно ныли икры, спина просто «отваливалась», сгибаясь к земле и заставляя вставать на четвереньки и ползти.

The above we got, the it became more difficult to breathe. One and a half thousand the metres, one thousand eight hundred … In кроссовках, the small stones filled by splinters, I was similar to a wounded kangaroo. Behind me palms in a bum machine gunner Jan diligently pushed , being insured, that I have not crashed down to it on башку. How it has turned out, what at one mine кроссовки the lace was untied? The hell with him … will not fall down Yet , I will go. Чем выше мы забирались, тем труднее становилось дышать. Полторы тысячи метров, тысяча восемьсот… В кроссовках, набитых осколками мелких камней, я был похож на раненого кенгуру. Сзади меня старательно пихал ладонями в задницу пулеметчик Ян, страхуясь, чтобы я не грохнулся ему на башку. Как получилось, что у одной моей кроссовки развязался шнурок? Ну и черт с ним … Пока не свалится, буду идти.

Members of spetsnaz did short stops, squatting on a track and greedy swallowing of air. Seniors четверок one gestures and an articulation of lips transplanted fighters so that each marksman covered certain sector of bombardment, without being afraid that will hook on someone from the. Спецназовцы делали краткие остановки, приседая на тропе и жадно глотая воздух. Старшие четверок одними жестами и артикуляцией губ рассаживали бойцов так, чтобы каждый стрелок прикрывал определенный сектор обстрела, не опасаясь, что зацепит кого-то из своих.

During these stops I photographed. No, I tried there was something to remove and on the move, advancing the four or departing from a track aside, but to catch up then with the it was extremely heavy, in addition, descending from a track, I risked to attack any muck like "petal" (the antipersonnel mine which explosion tears off usually foot foot. — «РР»). Igor, certainly, understood that in a case зарубы to sense from me will not be any — with the beginning of fight I should fall a muzzle downwards and so to lie, without making any телодвижений … Во время этих остановок я фотографировал. Нет, я пытался было что-то снять и на ходу, опережая свою четверку или отходя с тропы в сторону, но догонять потом своих было неимоверно тяжело, да к тому же, сходя с тропы, я рисковал наступить на какую-нибудь гадость вроде «лепестка» (противопехотная мина, взрыв которой отрывает обычно стопу ноги. — «РР»). Игорь, разумеется, понимал, что в случае зарубы толку от меня не будет никакого — с началом боя я должен был упасть мордой вниз и так лежать, не совершая никаких телодвижений…

The problem before group stood at first sight very simple: together with разведбатом imperceptibly to be put forward in one of squares around village Gubden and прошерстить it is mountain-lesisyotuju district the area about 16 square kilometres «about detection and destruction of base of insurgents» which have become impudent recently to impossibility. Under stories of Dagestan "faces" (employees УФСБ. — «РР»), in these parts regularly kill representatives of the authorities, police officers. Gangsters often in the opened are shown in villages where it nobody in a condition to render worthy resistance.Задача перед отрядом стояла на первый взгляд очень простая: вместе с разведбатом незаметно выдвинуться в один из квадратов в районе села Губден и прошерстить горно-лесис*тую местность площадью около 16 квадратных километров «на предмет обнаружения и уничтожения базы боевиков», которые в последнее время обнаглели до невозможности. По рассказам дагестанских «фэйсов» (сотрудники УФСБ. — «РР»), в этих местах регулярно убивают представителей властей, сотрудников милиции. Бандиты часто в открытую показываются в селах, где им никто не в состоянии оказать достойного сопротивления.
During mountain spot-check everyone bears almost 55 kg of ammunition. In the foreground — contract employee Bulych

During mountain spot-check everyone bears almost 55 kg of ammunition. In the foreground — contract employee Bulych Во время горного рейда каждый несет почти 55 кг амуниции. На переднем плане — контрактник Булыч

Under agency messages (usual peasants), in wood there is well protected big base of insurgents, approximately on 50 persons. For this base searched all the summer long, but a little that have found. Gangsters tried to leave from боестолкновений, being dissolved in «зеленке». To bomb «зеленку» БШУ (so-called vacuum bombs with a charge of huge capacity. — «РР») or to work ГРАДами (rocket installation. — «РР») did not dare: here all the same not the Chechen Republic the sample of 1999-2001.По сообщениям агентуры (обычных крестьян), в лесу находится хорошо охраняемая большая база боевиков, приблизительно на 50 человек. Эту базу искали все лето, но мало что нашли. Бандиты старались уходить от боестолкновений, растворяясь в «зеленке». Бомбить «зеленку» БШУ (так называемые вакуумные бомбы с зарядом огромной мощности. — «РР») или работать ГРАДами (ракетная установка. — «РР») не решались: здесь все-таки не Чечня образца 1999–2001 годов.

All work on information gathering (interrogations captured, the analysis of their indications, work with an agency) carries out УФСБ Dagestan, and information "realisation" (destruction of bandit groups and separate gangsters) besides FSB are engaged also special divisions of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. From time to time they make 2–3−дневные jerks, then Fas again come back to base to the next command «!». So departure was not the first for group which since 1999 to Dagestan went quite often, alternating this direction with the Chechen Republic, Ossetia, Ingushetia …Всю работу по сбору информации (допросы пленных, анализ их показаний, работа с агентурой) выполняет УФСБ Дагестана, а «реализацией» информации (уничтожением бандгрупп и отдельных бандитов) помимо ФСБ занимаются еще и спецподразделения МВД. Время от времени они совершают 2–3−дневные рывки, потом опять возвращаются на базу до очередной команды «Фас!». Так что выезд был не первым для отряда, который начиная с 1999 года в Дагестан ездил частенько, перемежая это направление с Чечней, Осетией, Ингушетией…

In 7.15 mornings we have overcome the first slope and "have sat down" on a track. Igor, trying not to rustle, in a whisper жучил Dinozavrika: «That the command“ means the Rain! ”, a monkey? I for you should know it? A brake, нах … Pass to spare frequency, a monster! And communication to me quickly with 182−м organise!»В 7.15 утра мы преодолели первый склон и «сели» на тропе. Игорь, стараясь не шуметь, шепотом жучил Динозаврика: «Что означает команда “Дождь!”, обезьяна? Я за тебя должен это знать? Тормоз, нах… Переходи на запасную частоту, чудовище! И связь мне быстро со 182−м организуй!»

— 163−й — 182−му! — 163−й — 182−му!

— On reception 182−й!— На приеме 182−й!

— I am on the second point how has understood me?— Я нахожусь на второй точке, как понял меня?

— 182−й has accepted, be there, we still move, to work yet have not begun, how has understood?— 182−й принял, находитесь там, мы еще двигаемся, работать пока не начали, как понял?

— 163−й has accepted.— 163−й принял.

It meant that the second group did not leave yet on the set height, whence it was supposed to begin search of gangsters. Work, that is wood combing, it was necessary to carry out an united front that the gang has not slipped out between groups. Autumn rozovo-yellow dry wood rustled, brushing away our group with a fan of the sounds reaching from above and from below. The thick carpet of buro-brown leaves reaching of ankles Underfoot rustled. Это означало, что вторая группа еще не вышла на заданную высоту, откуда предполагалось начать поиск бандитов. Работу, то есть прочесывание леса, надлежало выполнять единым фронтом, чтобы банда не выскользнула между группами. Осенний розово-желтый сухой лес шумел, обмахивая нашу группу веером звуков, доносящихся сверху и снизу. Под ногами шелестел толстый ковер буро-коричневых листьев, достигавший щиколоток.

— A horse-radish we here will hear also a horse-radish we here we will see …— Хрена мы здесь услышим и хрена мы здесь увидим…

— Well, we break! As the herd of donkeys, мля … the Crash such costs … Spirits for a long time already are pressed … — Ну, ломимся! Как стадо ослов, мля… Треск такой стоит… Духи уже давно щемятся…

— Let are pressed. Them to the east of us investigation выпасает. And in the bottom of OMON local затарился. Here they leave on brothers, there and will receive звездюлей … — Пусть щемятся. Их восточнее нас разведка выпасает. А внизу ОМОН местный затарился. Вот они выйдут на братишек, там и получат звездюлей…

At 9.15 the report on the fight beginning in a square where worked разведбат has arrived . В 9.15 поступил доклад о начале боя в квадрате, где работал разведбат.

— So, friends, all very attentively, silently and not to relax! Боестолкновение in the next square. There is a probability that spirits will break our party. We should meet them .— Так, братва, всем очень внимательно, тихо и не расслабляться! Боестолкновение в соседнем квадрате. Есть вероятность, что духи будут ломиться в нашу сторону. Мы их должны будем встретить.

— That-arishch the captain! The observer sees two bodies on an opposite slope. The armed people in маскхалатах. — Та-арищ капитан! Наблюдатель видит два тела на противоположном склоне. Вооруженные люди в маскхалатах.

— Not clearly whose people … Perhaps it is scouts … — Непонятно чьи люди… Может, это разведчики…

— That-arishch the captain, they with ВОГов shoot. A smoke, see?— Та-арищ капитан, они с ВОГов стреляют. Вон дымок, видите?

— Where shoot? On us?— Куда стреляют? По нам?

— Is not present … To us it as to China — a cancer. Simply shoot …— Нет… До нас им как до Китая — раком. Просто стреляют…

— Balbesina! "Simply" do not shoot anywhere … — Балбесина! «Просто» не стреляют нигде…

To me have allowed to look in the field-glass. On a hill, kilometres in two to the west of us, two tiny little men fussed near bushes. Periodically the belovato-liquid smoke therefrom rose. I did not hear any sounds . Here it also was fight: two reptiles have sat down at bushes and шмаляют on ours from above from подствольников. 4−я group make could nothing : the distance did not allow. Except СВД and automatic machines in mountains the special troops do not drag any other arms , and, to smooth out these spirits, one was necessary at least АГС (an automatic grenade cup discharge easel. — «РР») or a mortar. Somewhere else further in wood, there, where "brothers" from investigation worked , there was something really rigid, and, judging by a radio exchange, the situation developed not in favour of ours. At 10.25 directly over us, clapping a rumble of screws on eardrums, has promptly flown by dark green МИ-8. Igor has silently asked itself: pro the three-100-th ”or for “ the two-100-th ”?»Мне дали посмотреть в бинокль. На сопке, километрах в двух западнее нас, два крошечных человечка суетились возле кустов. Периодически оттуда поднимался беловато-жидкий дымок. Никаких звуков я не слышал. Вот это и был бой: два гада засели в кустах и шмаляют по нашим сверху из подствольников. 4−я группа сделать ничего не могла: не позволяло расстояние. Кроме СВД и автоматов никакого другого вооружения в горы спецназ не таскает, а, чтобы зачистить этих духов, был нужен хотя бы один АГС (автоматический гранатомет станковый. — «РР») или миномет. Где-то еще дальше в лесу, там, где работали «братишки» из разведки, происходило что-то реально жесткое, и, судя по радиообмену, ситуация складывалась не в пользу наших. В 10.25 прямо над нами, хлопая гулом винтов по барабанным перепонкам, стремительно пролетел темно-зеленый МИ-8. Игорь тихо спросил сам себя: «За “трехсотыми” или за “двухсотыми”?»
On ВПУ (temporary point of management) members of spetsnaz are heated after spot-check

On ВПУ (temporary point of management) members of spetsnaz are heated after spot-checkНа ВПУ (временный пункт управления) спецназовцы греются после рейда

At 12.15 the command has arrived to continue movement on the planned route. Having verified on the card ruled on squares with GPS, Igor поцокал language, has raised upwards a hand and a finger has drawn in air an arch. The group has risen and, trying to go quietly, has started to go down in small stony распадок. Metres through fifty commander has lifted upwards the clenched fist that meant "Stop!". Having beckoned to itself the lieutenant to Kohl and the sniper — high Altay guy Bambaja, Igor in a whisper has ordered to them to be pushed forward and to "smell" there. The group should cross 40−мет*ровую a hollow brightly shined with the sun, then instantly «штурмануть» a mountain slope. It was necessary to rise almost on 420 metres. There wood again began.В 12.15 поступила команда продолжить движение по намеченному маршруту. Сверившись по разлинованной на квадраты карте с GPS, Игорь поцокал языком, поднял вверх руку и пальцем прочертил в воздухе дугу. Группа поднялась и, стараясь ступать неслышно, начала спускаться в небольшой каменистый распадок. Метров через пятьдесят командир поднял вверх сжатый кулак, что означало «Стой!». Поманив к себе лейтенанта Колю и снайпера — высокого алтайского парня Бамбая, Игорь шепотом приказал им выдвинуться вперед и «понюхать» там. Группе предстояло пересечь 40−мет*ровую ложбину, ярко освещенную солнцем, после чего мгновенно «штурмануть» склон горы. Подняться предстояло почти на 420 метров. Там снова начинался лес.

Three minutes of the expectation, five, seven and a half. While Bambaj, without leaving a shade, studied in sight СВД of a vicinity, Nikolay, bending down, ran across распадок and rose on a hill. Happen that, help it group hardly could unless to start to thrash with all trunks at random on wood, to give the chance to "brother" to reach shelter — a stone or a bush. But all has managed. It did not mean that the route was pure: spirits could wait, having hidden in a thick of red-green thickets in which depth line it was not visible, and to shoot the most part of our group which have been stretched in a chain. Fortunately, we have safely run across stony распадок. Nobody has stumbled, has not twisted a foot, has not dropped automatic machine shop, a grenade or a portable radio set from pockets of "unloading".Три минуты ожидания, пять, семь с половиной. Пока Бамбай, не выходя из тени, изучал в прицел СВД окрестности, Николай, пригибаясь, перебегал распадок и поднимался на холм. Случись что, помочь ему группа вряд ли смогла бы, разве что начать лупить со всех стволов наугад по лесу, чтобы дать возможность «братишке» добраться до укрытия — камня или куста. Но все обошлось. Это не означало, что маршрут был чистым: духи могли выжидать, спрятавшись в гуще красно-зеленых зарослей, в глубине которых ни черта не было видно, и расстрелять большую часть нашей группы, растянувшейся в цепочку. К счастью, мы благополучно перебежали каменистый распадок. Никто не споткнулся, не подвернул ногу, не выронил из карманов «разгрузки» магазин автомата, гранату или рацию.

Having reached bottom of a hill and having received friendly пендель — «Forward! Upward!», I have run by the two спецов, the others attentively observing of movement, that if that, to cover with their fire. Only after last fighter — the machine gunner with huge "Pechenegom" — was involved in «зеленку», observers have acted in film. The machine gunner before a dive in бучу woods was developed by a back to group in полуприсяде and, having stood so some seconds, moving back, has cautiously become hollow under a blackthorn shade …Добравшись до подножия холма и получив дружеский пендель — «Вперед! Наверх!», я пробежал мимо двойки спецов, внимательно наблюдавших за передвижением остальных, чтобы, если что, прикрыть их огнем. Только после того как последний боец — пулеметчик со здоровенным «Печенегом» — втянулся в «зеленку», наблюдатели снялись. Пулеметчик же перед нырком в бучу леса развернулся спиной к группе в полуприсяде и, постояв так несколько секунд, пятясь, осторожно ввалился под тень терновника…

— 169−й — 163−му! — 169−й — 163−му!

— On reception 163−й!— На приеме 163−й!

— More attentively there … Can try to break on your direction. The communication end …— Повнимательнее там… Могут попытаться прорваться на вашем направлении. Конец связи…

The group of more hour was slowly stolen by wood, having broken into the four. Лесок was that се — places реденький, places densely grown with a red blackthorn and still any *****ly rubbish. That Was necessary to kneel and crawl through the tunnel from strong rods to get through the tumbled down trunks of trees. Wood that dived downwards, into a bottomless ravine soared up on a high hill. Группа больше часа медленно кралась лесом, разбившись на четверки. Лесок был ни то ни се — местами реденький, местами густо заросший красным терновником и еще какой-то колючей дрянью. Приходилось то опускаться на колени и проползать сквозь туннель из крепких прутьев, то перелезать через поваленные стволы деревьев. Лес то нырял вниз, в бездонный овраг, то взмывал на высокий холм.

Igor with АСС, hanging on a belt across a breast a trunk downwards, was ahead. Nearby to it there was a radio operator, the marksman and the sniper. The others of the four combed everyone the sector, holding the established distance. In case of the fight beginning all спецы, having instantly developed in a direction of the opponent, started to work: at the first fire contact each marksman should shoot 30 cartridges of shop not precisely . But the primary goal was assigned to the machine gunner who instantly shot 200−патронную a box. Such fire from more than 20 trunks simultaneously created a powerful press, compelling the opponent to nestle and depart .Игорь с АСС, висящим на ремне поперек груди стволом вниз, был впереди. Неподалеку от него шли радист, стрелок и снайпер. Остальные четверки прочесывали каждая свой сектор, держа установленную дистанцию. В случае начала боя все спецы, мгновенно развернувшись в направлении противника, начинали работать: при первом огневом контакте каждый стрелок должен был не прицельно расстрелять 30 патронов магазина. Но основная задача возлагалась на пулеметчика, который мгновенно расстреливал 200−патронную коробку. Такой огонь из более чем 20 стволов одновременно создавал мощный пресс, вынуждая противника прижиматься и отходить .

Then everyone спец was recharged and started to work PRECISELY. Prosecution of the receding opponent was not included into plans , and here capture and destruction — is unconditional. Fight in wood could begin suddenly, and attacks followed expect from any party, therefore each four has been trained to move strictly in the sector and to combat only therefrom, without moving and without running, as hares, on all thicket not to get under bullets of the. And , of course, and speech could not be about that I attached to the four the press photographer, have started to creep-run across the field of fight in search of a foreshortening. I should отлеживаться in any ditch and work only by result боестолкновения, well, or at the best remove work of the two nearest to me if it is possible. Потом каждый спец перезаряжался и начинал работать ПРИЦЕЛЬНО. Преследование отступающего противника в планы не входило, а вот захват и уничтожение — безусловно. Бой в лесу мог начаться внезапно, причем нападения следовало ожидать с любой стороны, поэтому каждая четверка была обучена двигаться строго в своем секторе и вести бой только оттуда, не перемещаясь и не бегая, как зайцы, по всей чаще, чтобы не попасть под пули своих. И уж, конечно, и речи быть не могло о том, чтобы я, прикрепленный к четверке фоторепортер, начал ползать-бегать по полю боя в поисках ракурса. Я должен был отлеживаться в какой-нибудь канаве и работать только по результату боестолкновения, ну, или в лучшем случае снимать работу ближайшей ко мне двойки, если это было бы возможно.

— 163−й — 182−му! — 163−й — 182−му!

— On reception 182−й!— На приеме 182−й!

— Work in squares "ten-six" and "ten-seven" has finished. Has found out nobody .— Работу в квадратах «десять-шесть» и «десять-семь» закончил. Никого не обнаружил.

— Has accepted. 163−й, be put forward in a square "ten-eight" and more attentively "smell" there in the seventh sector «on a snail» (the square on a card shares on nine sectors which are considered on a spiral, that is «on a snail». — «РР»). There presence of the opponent is possible. How has understood?— Принял. 163−й, выдвигайтесь в квадрат «десять-восемь» и повнимательнее «понюхайте» там в седьмом секторе «по улитке» (квадрат на карте делится на девять секторов, которые считаются по спирали, то есть «по улитке». — «РР»). Там возможно присутствие противника. Как понял?

— 163−й — 182−му: has accepted …— 163−й — 182−му: принял…

In an hour still anything it was revealed not. Спецы it is obstinate «smelt the earth»: looked narrowly at all suspicious holes under roots of trees, overturned soil and foliage in places charred кострищ, rummaged there in dust, considered the thrown banks from under soup, bottles from under mineral water, packages with smelly курдючным fat. But, except the general visual acknowledgement that here were "bearded" and put дневку (a day halt, temporary camp. — «РР»), no other result existed. A cartridge, even sleeves, used ИПП (an individual dressing package. — «РР») …Через час по-прежнему ничего обнаружено не было. Спецы упрямо «нюхали землю»: присматривались ко всем подозрительным ямам под корнями деревьев, переворачивали почву и листву в местах обугленных кострищ, рылись там в мусоре, рассматривали брошенные банки из-под супа, бутылки из-под минералки, пакеты с вонючим курдючным жиром. Но, кроме общего визуального подтверждения, что здесь были «бородатые» и ставили дневку (дневной привал, временный лагерь. — «РР»), никакого другого результата не было. Ни патрона, ни даже гильзы, ни использованного ИПП (индивидуальный перевязочный пакет. — «РР»)…

JohnnyWalker
06-03-2009, 11:37 PM
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Igor has disposed about a short halt. It, certainly, did not mean that all have fallen and have collapsed on sleeping bags. No, I and have arrived, but all other on an established order settle on bushes, have defined sectors of possible work and only then, observing sequence (two eat, the others in patrol), have got on a mineral water bottle, a piece of bread and paste bank (tinned porridge or тушенки). I have unscrupulously drunk up the water and have elicited at Igor still. We have halved crushed "Snickers" . In the meantime fighters rubbed between themselves:Игорь распорядился о кратком привале. Это, разумеется, не означало, что все упали и развалились на спальниках. Нет, я-то именно так и поступил, но все прочие по заведенному порядку расселись по кустам, определили сектора возможной работы и только потом, соблюдая очередность (двое едят, остальные в дозоре), достали по бутылке минералки, куску хлеба и банке паштета (консервированной каши либо тушенки). Я бессовестно допил свою воду и выпросил у Игоря еще. Раздавленный «Сникерс» мы разделили пополам. Тем временем бойцы терли меж собой:

— ShChas on a fire шулюмчика (soup. — «РР») … With mutton …— Щас бы на костре шулюмчика (суп. — «РР»)… С бараниной…

— ShChas in a bath and vodka a glass. With milk mushrooms …— Щас бы в баню и водки стакан. С груздями…

— And you remember, we on Majakovke a pizza хавали? A pizza quite good there, the brother?— А помнишь, мы на Маяковке пиццу хавали? Неплохая там пицца, брат?

— And we not лохи …— Да и мы не лохи…

The captain gloomy was lop-sided towards the two of gourmets: «Hey, who there not лох? You? And че you shout at all gorge?»Капитан угрюмо покосился в сторону двойки гурманов: «Эй, кто там не лох? Ты? А че орешь на все ущелье?»

— 182−й — 163−му!— 182−й — 163−му!

— On reception!— На приеме!

— Be put forward downwards on gorge, will work there with local ОМОНом. The report when will meet!— Выдвигайтесь вниз по ущелью, там будете работать с местным ОМОНом. Доклад, когда встретитесь!

— 163−й has accepted …— 163−й принял…
The fighter of special troops surveys the thrown base of insurgents

The fighter of special troops surveys the thrown base of insurgentsБоец спецназа обследует брошенную базу боевиков

OMON fighters have appeared huge muzhiks with the same huge backpacks behind shoulders. On them counted as on people well knowing these mountains and tracks in wood. But, unfortunately, except the general data like «we precisely know that вахи (Wahhabites) here go», the OMON had nothing . Having climbed up mountain and походив there even minutes forty, we have started to go down downwards.Омоновцы оказались здоровенными мужиками с такими же здоровенными рюкзаками за плечами. На них рассчитывали как на людей хорошо знающих эти горы и тропы в лесу. Но, к сожалению, кроме общих сведений вроде «мы точно знаем, что вахи (ваххабиты) тут ходят», ОМОН ничем не располагал. Взобравшись на гору и походив там еще минут сорок, мы начали спускаться вниз.

Has darkened. On communication there was a commander of group and ordered to be put forward to ВПУ (temporary point of management. — «РР»). Having divided with ОМОНом last ration, we left to highway where we were waited by armour "Ural Mountains". In the car our group has broken off two loaves of bread and has drunk up last drops of mineral water. It was an error. In steppe where has taken places ВПУ, for us nobody has prepared a supper : all operation was planned as half-day of spot-check, anybody and has not thought to take with itself(himself) has reserved products and sleeping bags (too an error). Thank God that the bush around grew — was though from what to make a fire. Стемнело. На связь вышел командир отряда и велел выдвигаться к ВПУ (временный пункт управления. — «РР»). Разделив с ОМОНом последний паек, мы вышли к шоссе, где нас ждал бронированный «Урал». В машине наша группа разорвала две буханки хлеба и допила последние капли минералки. Это было ошибкой. В степи, где разместился ВПУ, ужин для нас никто не приготовил: вся операция планировалась как полдня рейда, никто и не подумал взять с собой запас продуктов и спальники (тоже ошибка). Слава богу, что кругом рос кустарник — было хоть из чего сделать костер.

In an investigation battalion there was a trouble: in morning fight two fighters have received severe wounds (here for whom "revolving objects" arrived). At one bullet has entered through a neck into a head and left, разворотив a jaw, at the second business were worse: a bullet wound in a hip and fragmental in a back. It still had week to a demobilisation, and, most likely, stars gloomy group of physical inability. Both have sent in Hankalu in hospital.В батальоне разведки случилась беда: в утреннем бою два бойца получили тяжелые ранения (вот за кем прилетали «вертушки»). У одного пуля вошла через шею в голову и вышла, разворотив челюсть, у второго дела были похуже: пулевое ранение в бедро и осколочное в спину. Ему оставалась неделя до дембеля, и, скорее всего, светила невеселая группа инвалидности. Обоих отправили в Ханкалу в госпиталь.

Spirits have left. They were pursued by OMON fighters …Духи ушли. Их преследовали омоновцы…

We have drunk from a flask for that at wounded boys all has passed safely, and have once again walked on steppe, rooting out last bush — it was necessary to leave костерок for sentry. Declaring that tomorrow since six mornings we will continue road actions, Igor ordered to sleep all, preliminary having distributed duties of the guard. To me he has suggested to settle down for the night in a cabin of "Ural Mountains": it was "the imperial" place usually occupied with the commander of group. Мы выпили из фляжки за то, чтобы у раненых пацанов все прошло благополучно, и еще раз прошлись по степи, выкорчевывая последний кустарник — надо было оставить костерок для караула. Объявив, что завтра с шести утра мы продолжим рейдовые действия, Игорь велел всем спать, предварительно распределив обязанности караульных. Мне он предложил расположиться на ночь в кабине «Урала»: это было «царское» место, обычно занимаемое командиром группы.
Day 3−йДень 3−й

Drove "Ural Mountains" Dima, being confused, has asked me to try not to remove the car from a bench hammer, and that supposedly will go and will knock down somebody. The bench hammer stuck out as a bayonet between seats on which I wished to throw the spread out bullet-proof vest. All right, the hell with him … somehow I will adapt … Having collected all equipment in a heap, I have hardly pulled down кроссовки, have shaken out from them pebbles, a dust, shreds репья and the *****les which have sat down in мок*рых from sweat socks. Having torn off socks, has turned them inside out and has pulled left on the right foot, and right — on left: to dry them at a fire there were no forces. It became cold. The oven in a cabin did not work. I turned on a narrow seat, trying to be arranged so that not to shift, God forbid, the bench hammer and thus whenever possible to doze. Водила «Урала» Дима, смущаясь, попросил меня постараться не снимать машину с ручника, а то, мол, поедет и задавит кого-нибудь. Ручник торчал как штык между сиденьями, на которые я хотел кинуть разложенный бронежилет. Ладно, черт с ним … как-нибудь приспособлюсь… Собрав всю аппаратуру в кучу, я с трудом стащил кроссовки, вытряхнул из них камушки, пыль, клочья репья и колючки, засевшие в мок*рых от пота носках. Содрав носки, вывернул их наизнанку и натянул левый на правую ногу, а правый — на левую: сушить их у костра не было сил. Становилось холодно. Печка в кабине не работала. Я ворочался на узком сиденье, стараясь устроиться так, чтобы не сдвинуть, не дай бог, ручник и при этом по возможности подремать.

That night I and have not fallen asleep. When absolutely it became intolerable coldly, it was wrung out directly on seats. In 5.30 mornings I have crept out of a cabin and, to surprise, have found out all group near a distant fire: the cold in a metal body of an armour monster was, as well as it is necessary, monstrous. Having somehow warmed than god has sent, the group left on a problem. В ту ночь я так и не уснул. Когда становилось совсем уж невыносимо холодно, отжимался прямо на сиденьях. В 5.30 утра я выполз из кабины и, к удивлению, обнаружил всю группу возле дальнего костра: холод в металлическом кузове бронированного чудища был, как и положено, чудовищным. Кое-как согревшись чем бог послал, группа вышла на задачу.

All the day long we worked together with division Dagestan ОМОНа. The Same rate, the same order of movement. At 10.15 absolutely nearby бахнул explosion ВОГа, also the machine gun and automatic machines have instantly responded a crash . «Kilometre ones and a half from us … the Second group, probably, was cut …» — Kohl's going in my four the lieutenant has whispered . All group has sat down, Igor has contacted someone on a portable radio set and has a little later said in low tones: «Again investigation on spirits left … If will ask the help, to them we will go. While — we continue to scratch a square».Весь день мы работали совместно с подразделением дагестанского ОМОНа. Тот же темп, тот же порядок движения. В 10.15 совсем рядом бахнул взрыв ВОГа, и мгновенно отозвались треском пулемет и автоматы. «Километра полтора от нас… Вторая группа, наверное, зарубилась…» — прошептал лейтенант Коля, шедший в моей четверке. Вся группа присела, Игорь связался с кем-то по рации и немного погодя тихо сказал: «Опять разведка на духов вышла… Если попросят помощь, к ним пойдем. Пока — продолжаем чесать квадрат».

In total in any one and a half kilometres there was a fight, and we heard it. But to throw the problem and to go it is not known where, risking to substitute group under a machine gun of the investigation or under духовскую an extension, our captain had no right. Besides 4−й groups nobody requested the help of ours . And we continued movement, silently using foul language on leaving sounds of fight which teased explosions of grenades and tickled nerves a machine-gun roar …Всего в каких-то полутора километрах шел бой, и мы его слышали. Но бросить свою задачу и пойти неизвестно куда, рискуя подставить группу под пулемет своей же разведки или под духовскую растяжку, наш капитан не имел права. К тому же помощь у нашей 4−й группы никто не запрашивал. И мы продолжали движение, тихо матерясь на удаляющиеся звуки боя, который дразнил взрывами гранат и щекотал нервы пулеметным рокотом…

Three hours of search have not given any result. Have made a halt. Suddenly on the commander of our group there was on a portable radio set senior ОМОНа: they there have found something. The commander took with itself the four and has gone to find out. Later minutes fifteen the fighter with news that have found out base of insurgents has come running .Три часа поиска не дали никакого результата. Сделали привал. Вдруг на командира нашей группы вышел по рации старший ОМОНа: они что-то там нашли. Командир взял с собой четверку и пошел выяснять. Спустя минут пятнадцать прибежал боец с известием, что обнаружили базу боевиков.

It was the old base blown up still in the summer the person on five — ten. The timbered roof covered from a rain поли*этиленом, a gas bag, an electrotile, oak plank beds, a washstand. For conscience clearing облазив ruins and having convinced that no ammunition, the weapon or something valuable here existed, we have continued spot-check.Это была старая, взорванная еще летом база человек на пять — десять. Бревенчатая крыша, укрытая от дождя поли*этиленом, газовый баллон, электроплитка, дубовые нары, умывальник. Для очистки совести облазив развалины и убедившись, что никаких боеприпасов, оружия или чего-то ценного здесь не было, мы продолжили рейд.

I went near to Igor and grumbled that our "walk" has not given any results that I and have not seen any bearded the swine that all wounded men evacuated without me and that in fight we were not got involved. Igor furiously objected that the result is. In the sense that all are live-are healthy. And it is good that its fighters prepared while to war of percent on forty, not at once have got to a bloody bum, having flown on experienced, at war all life of spirits, and are involved in work gradually, накатом. Я шел рядом с Игорем и брюзжал, что никаких результатов наша «прогулка» не дала, что я так и не увидел ни одной бородатой сволочи, что всех раненых эвакуировали без меня и что в бой мы не ввязались. Игорь свирепо возражал, что результат есть. В том смысле, что все живы-здоровы. И хорошо, что его бойцы, подготовленные пока к войне процентов на сорок, не сразу попали в кровавую задницу, налетев на матерых, воевавших всю жизнь духов, а втягиваются в работу постепенно, накатом.

We slowly left on an edge of an oak grove, and the short turn here has thundered and has sharply begun to smell gunpowder. I инстинк*тивно have sat down, hiding for a wood trunk. «Е … your mother! Rams, мля! You learnt the weapon to put on a safety lock?» — Igor perplexedly considered the trouser-leg of "hill" raked through. «Well here, millimetre — and you to me would rake a thigh!» — it hissed on fighter ОМОНа. The Daghestani confusedly apologised, without knowing where to disappear with shame. I have stopped up the disappointments where far away and have silently gone trace.Мы медленно вышли на опушку дубовой рощи, и тут прогремела короткая очередь и резко запахло порохом. Я инстинк*тивно присел, прячась за древесный ствол. «Е… мать вашу! Бараны, мля! Вас учили оружие ставить на предохранитель?» — Игорь озадаченно рассматривал простреленную насквозь штанину «горки». «Ну вот, миллиметр — и ты бы мне ляжку прострелил!» — шипел он на бойца ОМОНа. Дагестанец смущенно извинялся, не зная, куда деваться от стыда. Я заткнул свои разочарования куда подальше и тихо пошел следом.

Has darkened. The OMON has set somewhere to the. We remained on a place, expecting problem specification. Has not passed also a half an hour as somewhere at mountain bottom automatic turns … РР were distributed

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Dmitry Beljakov (http://www.translate.ru//site_Translation.aspx?direction=re&from=adv&template=General&autotranslate=on&transliterate=&flw=1&showvariants=&viewModeSelected=result&sourceURL=http://www.expert.ru/authors/346101/), the author «Russian reporter» (http://www.translate.ru//site_Translation.aspx?direction=re&from=adv&template=General&autotranslate=on&transliterate=&flw=1&showvariants=&viewModeSelected=result&sourceURL=http://www.expert.ru/printissues/russian_reporter/)Дмитрий Беляков (http://www.translate.ru//site_Translation.aspx?direction=re&from=adv&template=General&autotranslate=on&transliterate=&flw=1&showvariants=&viewModeSelected=result&sourceURL=http://www.expert.ru/authors/346101/), автор «Русский репортер» (http://www.translate.ru//site_Translation.aspx?direction=re&from=adv&template=General&autotranslate=on&transliterate=&flw=1&showvariants=&viewModeSelected=result&sourceURL=http://www.expert.ru/printissues/russian_reporter/)
In the previous number the correspondent "РР" has gone together with special troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs to spot-check on mountain areas of Dagestan where there was a hunting for insurgents. The first day of a campaign the group in which have included our correspondent, has spent in an ambush. Insurgents left on other group and after transient fight have departed. Next day again an ambush — both again anybody. And only late at night, when the group already was going to come back to base, shots were nearby distributed. "If whom we will see in bushes — at once we open fire on defeat, — the commander has told. — we there should not be" any moreВ предыдущем номере корреспондент "РР" отправился вместе со спецназом МВД в рейд по горным районам Дагестана, где шла охота на боевиков. Первый день похода группа, в которую включили нашего корреспондента, провела в засаде. Боевики вышли на другой отряд и после скоротечного боя отошли. На следующий день снова засада — и снова никого. И только поздно вечером, когда группа уже собиралась возвращаться на базу, неподалеку раздались выстрелы. "Если кого увидим в кустах — сразу открываем огонь на поражение, — сказал командир. — Наших там быть уже не должно"


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Day 3−й. ContinuationДень 3−й. Продолжение

Hе has passed also a half an hour as somewhere at mountain bottom automatic turns were distributed. «OMON, whether that, встрял?» — the fighter the Roll has perplexedly said. Later it was found out that OMON fighters have done some shooting each other, having accepted the division which was going down in the dark from mountains, for spirits. Thank God, has done without victims. For this reason Igor has demanded from the commander of group of accurate co-ordinates of a point where we will be taken away by technics, and that acknowledgement that in this point there will be no other working military men, and especially ОМОНа. «If whom we will see in bushes — at once we open fire on defeat. We there should not be » any more Hе прошло и получаса, как где-то у подножия горы раздались автоматные очереди. «ОМОН, что ли, встрял?» — озадаченно произнес боец Булка. Позднее выяснилось, что омоновцы постреляли друг в друга, приняв подразделение, спускавшееся в темноте с гор, за духов. Слава богу, обошлось без жертв. Именно поэтому Игорь потребовал от командира отряда четких координат точки, где нас будет забирать техника, и подтверждения того, что в этой точке не будет никаких других работающих военных, а особенно ОМОНа. «Если кого увидим в кустах — сразу открываем огонь на поражение. Наших там быть уже не должно»
In the evening to us have informed that разведбат has found out two spirits and, apparently , has seriously wounded one. Them pursued, but they were dissolved in «зеленке». On combing have thrown OMON and investigation. In two days in wood, kilometres in ten from a fight place, two corpses thrown by leaves have found. At one side has been broken off ВОГом, the second has bled to death — from plural bullet.Вечером нам сообщили, что разведбат обнаружил двух духов и, судя по всему , серьезно ранил одного. Их преследовали, но они растворились в «зеленке». На прочесывание бросили ОМОН и разведку. Через двое суток в лесу, километрах в десяти от места боя, нашли два забросанных листьями трупа. У одного бок был разорван ВОГом, второй умер от потери крови — от множественных пулевых.
Day 4−й — day 10−йДень 4−й — день 10−й

«We will return on base — at once we will charge a bath, we will be washed …" — pensively smoked a high contrabass with the covered "Japanese" tattoos the hands, recently noted the 30−месячный anniversary in structure "Russia". Such as it, in group is a little, but, as a matter of fact, on them, sergeants, all also keeps. The person срочку has served, has signed the contract, has passed examination on краповый a beret and — serve I do not want! To spit that the salary of only 12 pieces ( and even it is less) that on business trip pay not fighting as earlier in the Chechen Republic, and 80 roubles a day (100 minus of 20 roubles for a ration) that in Moscow anything, except an old hostel, the next 20 years does not shine. But romanticism! Cold nights in mountains, ambushes in wood under a *******ial rain, 50 kilogrammes behind shoulders … And mines? And bearded spirits behind which you run-run, you nosishsja-rush, ninety nine departures for nothing, but in the 100-th time — here it, душара! Urine of a goat! «Вернемся на базу — сразу же зарядим баню, постираемся…" — мечтательно курил высокий контрабас с покрытыми «японскими» татуировками руками, недавно отметивший свой 30−месячный юбилей в составе «Руси». Таких, как он, в отряде немного, но, по сути, на них, сержантах, все и держится. Отслужил человек срочку, подписал контракт, сдал экзамен на краповый берет и — служи не хочу! Плевать, что зарплата всего 12 штук ( а то и меньше), что в командировке платят не боевые, как раньше в Чечне, а 80 рублей в день (100 минус 20 рублей за паек), что в Москве ничего, кроме старой общаги, в ближайшие 20 лет не светит. Зато романтика! Холодные ночи в горах, засады в лесу под проливным дождем, 50 кило за плечами… А мины? А бородатые духи, за которыми бегаешь-бегаешь, носишься-носишься, девяносто девять выездов впустую, зато в сотый раз — вот он, душара! Мочи козла!
— Hey, the man on duty, here approach! Two pure mugs make! Five seconds of time!— Эй, дневальный, сюда подойди! Две чистых кружки сделай! Пять секунд времени!
Has squeaked, has rung out, зажурчало. «The magic drink» has pleasantly warmed an interior, having dissolved in bowels of an empty stomach.Скрипнуло, зазвенело, зажурчало. «Волшебный напиток» приятно согрел нутро, растворившись в недрах пустого желудка.
… I have understood for a long time that work in special troops — not for family and thorough, with the bank account and the hypothecary credit, and for those who in the childhood in войнушку has not played enough, for hooligans-razdolbaev, which on a fig that духовские mines that heads grumble. …Я давно понял, что работа в спецназе — не для семейных и основательных, с банковским счетом и ипотечным кредитом, а для тех, кто в детстве в войнушку не наигрался, для хулиганов-раздолбаев, которым по фигу что духовские мины, что ворчание начальства.



— Them, the brother, you will not disassemble! If I have arrived from operation lost-free and have brought with myself of the live captured gangster who gives valuable evidences, — well have gone and have gone. And here when all gangsters have interrupted — or have missed, — and at wounded men yes killed, here then offset! Was at war, means! But God forbid in eyes to the wife or mother of the lost friend to look and later on half a year to worry: will give them apartment as to a family of the victim, or will throw.— Их, братишка, не разберешь! Если я приехал с операции без потерь и привез с собой живого пленного бандита, который дает ценные показания, — ну съездил и съездил. А вот когда всех бандитов перебили — или упустили, — а у самих раненые да убитые, вот тогда зачет! Воевал, значит! Но не дай бог в глаза жене или матери погибшего друга смотреть и позже по полгода переживать: дадут им квартиру, как семье погибшего, либо кинут.
Give, the brother, the third … For those who with us is not present and never, unfortunately, any more will not be!Давай, братишка, третий… За тех, кого с нами нет и никогда, к сожалению, больше не будет!
Why I have gone to special troops? And where to me — in a construction battalion, whether that, with my data? I in general since the childhood was on friendly terms with sports . The boxing, oriental combat sports … Was born in Makhachkala, by the way. On a nationality the Pole. We have left to Russia as soon as the lawlessness has begun also "Czechs" in republic have started to stir up. The law is not present, the order is not present, work is not present, people steal … Paradox: I again here, in Dagestan. On the contract I will not remain, фигушки … From army — neither apartments, nor salaries.Почему я в спецназ пошел? А куда мне — в стройбат, что ли, с моими-то данными? Я вообще со спортом с детства дружил. Бокс, восточные единоборства… Родился в Махачкале, кстати. По национальности поляк. Мы уехали в Россию, как только беспредел начался и «чехи» в республике мутить начали. Закона нет, порядка нет, работы нет, людей воруют… Парадокс: я опять здесь, в Дагестане. На контракт не останусь, фигушки… От армии — ни квартиры, ни зарплаты.
In the big tent adapted under a bath, under hot streams of water were pushed in turn спецы with basts наперевес. From bicepses soapsuds flakes flied, baring the most different tattoos: dragons, skeletons in shrouds with automatic machines, scorpions … On one body the unambiguous inscription flaunted: «Kill ' em all and let God sort this out» («Kill all of them and let the Lord» will judge).В большой палатке, приспособленной под баню, под горячими струями воды толкались в очереди спецы с мочалками наперевес. С бицепсов слетали хлопья мыльной пены, обнажая самые разные татуировки: драконы, скелеты в саванах с автоматами, скорпионы… На одном теле красовалась недвусмысленная надпись: «Kill 'em all and let God sort this out» («Убей их всех и пусть рассудит Господь»).
«The brother, to a sauna you go? The third group to itself has made — us invite!» That in special troops can adapt everything under what you will want, I knew, but in any way did not expect the eyes to see that from rails with the cross ties, the thrown boards, any metal stuff, old iron flanks, heaps of boulders and a sheet tin it is possible to make "sauna". In five minutes I have jumped out on air, have had a shower bath from plastic ковшика ice water (to spit that in the street only +5 degrees!), it was wound with a towel, and — the second calling. In a sweating room not to force the way any more , but "brother" from the press — vacant поджопник from a piece of polyfoam and a place of honour: «the Brother, today Dan is put down concerning the major. We invite!»«Брат, в сауну идешь? Третья группа себе сделала — нас приглашают!» То, что в спецназе могут приспособить что угодно подо что захочешь, я знал, но никак не ожидал своими глазами увидеть, что из рельсов со шпалами, брошенных досок, всякого металлического хлама, старой железной бочки, груды валунов и листовой жести можно сделать «сауну». Через пять минут я выскочил на воздух, облился из пластмассового ковшика ледяной водой (плевать, что на улице всего +5 градусов!), обмотался полотенцем, и — второй заход. В парилке уже не протолкнуться, но «братишке» из прессы — вакантный поджопник из куска пенопласта и почетное место: «Брат, сегодня Дэн проставляется по поводу майора. Приглашаем!»
That at once all all was clear: in special troops of alcoholics is not present. Normally — to drink on slightly concerning someone's birth or rank assignment. Normally — to take with itself on a problem a spirit flask (and differently from a cold in mountain wood it is possible to go mad). But I never saw drunk «in сисю» contrabasses and officers in group. Especially on business trip, on a problem. It is said that at at war in the Chechen Republic the roof goes and they strongly drink. The special troops from at whom it goes, get rid. It is the fact. Nobody begins to be nursed with the drinking colleague. It is a burden, the person on whom it is impossible to rely being on a problem. Чтобы сразу всем все было понятно: в спецназе алкоголиков нет. Нормально — выпить по чуть-чуть по поводу чьего-то рождения или присвоения звания. Нормально — взять с собой на задачу флягу спирта (а иначе от холода в горном лесу можно свихнуться). Но я ни разу не видел пьяных «в сисю» контрабасов и офицеров в отряде. Тем более в командировке, на задаче. Говорят, что у воевавших в Чечне едет крыша и они сильно пьют. Спецназ от тех, у кого она едет, избавляется. Это факт. Никто не станет нянчиться с пьющим сослуживцем. Это обуза, человек, на которого невозможно положиться находясь на задаче.
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In an officer dining room tables are shifted and forced by salads — a shish kebab — open canned food. Between банок and flat dishes mineral water and «a magic liquid». Not that that usually — porridge-sechka yes watery супчик when you rejoice to a superfluous piece тушенки in a plate. As I dreamt of a fried potato with тушняком! Alas … Buy on blood, and begin to steal — will go with the weight on shoulders days without a break.В офицерской столовой столы сдвинуты и заставлены салатами — шашлыком — открытыми консервами. Между банок и плошек минералка и «волшебная жидкость». Не то что обычно — каша-сечка да водянистый супчик, когда радуешься лишнему куску тушенки в тарелке. Как я мечтал о жареной картошке с тушняком! Увы… Покупайте на свои кровные, а станете воровать — будете ходить с гирей на плечах сутки напролет.
Once I have not sustained and, yes the mister the editor-in-chief will forgive me, has crashed already two and a half тыщи a public money on juicy mutton. Somehow unnaturally, being on caucasus, not to eat a good shish kebab. From mutton! Correctly pickled in white wine, with onions and sweet pepper … Однажды я не выдержал и, да простит меня господин главный редактор, ухнул аж две с половиной тыщи казенных денег на сочную баранину. Как-то противоестественно, находясь на Кавказе, не поесть хорошего шашлыка. Из баранины! Правильно замаринованной в белом вине, с луком и сладким перцем…



— Companions officers! By all it is poured (an accent on the first syllable)? The left flank is issued? A word — all to well-known captain Denis!— Товарищи офицеры! Всем нАлито (ударение на первый слог)? Левый фланг оформлен? Слово — всем хорошо известному капитану Денису!
— A companion the captain! Allow to leave the ranks of captains and to join the ranks of majors?— Товарищ капитан! Разрешите покинуть ряды капитанов и вступить в ряды майоров?
— No! There are questions. Report, please, exact weight of a bullet to your hand arm!— Нет! Имеются вопросы. Доложите, пожалуйста, точный вес пули к вашему личному оружию!
Whatever the examinee has told, on whatever its theme still soared questions, result one: a new question and the TOAST. It is pure spirit. Well it will want to whom at once, not покуражившись, to put on epaulets of the major, the captain, старлея? And what then to recollect? Что бы ни сказал испытуемый, на какую бы тему его еще ни парили вопросами, результат один: новый вопрос и ТОСТ. Это чистый кураж. Ну кому захочется сразу, не покуражившись, надеть погоны майора, капитана, старлея? А что потом вспоминать?
— That there to the address in Kadyrkeni? There will be a work?— Чего там по адресу в Кадыркени? Будет работа?
— Not clearly. Local say that saw there душков on a wheelbarrow, dirty, grown, it is obvious from wood but to whom exactly came, it is not known …— Непонятно. Местные говорят, что видели там душков на тачке, грязных, заросших, явно из леса, но к кому именно приезжали, неизвестно…
— And what in the Agach-aul?— А что в Агач-Ауле?
— There too deafly … Agents speak about white "field" which carries to spirits products in wood. But how it to track? They not idiots: directly to base will not be put. Somewhere will dump a package, присыплют foliage, will be stopped ringing and will leave. The little man without the weapon in a day will approach, will take away a package and — in wood. To take it with a package not a variant: what to show? To pass behind it it is imperceptible — too not a variant: in wood all is looked through and listened on hundreds metres. An exit one: to clap those who in the car, and to try to ***** them . Or to scratch wood, hoping that spirits leave on us, moreover so that them расколошматить and not встрять …— Там тоже глухо… Агенты говорят про белую «ниву», которая возит духам продукты в лес. Но как ее проследить? Они же не идиоты: прямо к базе не сунутся. Где-то сбросят пакет, присыплют листвой, отзвонятся и уедут. Через сутки подойдет человечек без оружия, заберет пакет и — в лес. Брать его с пакетом не вариант: что предъявлять? Пройти за ним незаметно — тоже не вариант: в лесу все просматривается и прослушивается на сотни метров. Выход один: хлопать тех, кто в машине, и пытаться их колоть. Или чесать лес, надеясь, что духи выйдут именно на нас, да еще так, чтобы их расколошматить и самим не встрять…
Day 11−й — 13−йДень 11−й — 13−й

Poured a rain. Cold. Down-pour. A rain wall. A downpour. We went already the third kilometre from that point on a dim clay bog which was called as road where бронегазель could not overcome the next slope and, hardly without having turned over in a ravine, has got stuck all бронекопытами. Two our groups — as always, mischievous 3−я and 4−я — persistently kneaded clay, being torn through a wadded grey haze. I did not see anything. Absolutely. Even outlines going in advance Yana-machine gunner became more and more washed away. Few times I ran to it into a back — there where hung its dimensionless РД, filled by tapes. From my pushes of a tape quietly rattled, Jan stumbled, but did not take offence, and only whispered: «the Brother, all is normal?» Лил дождь. Холодный. Проливной. Стена дождя. Ливень. Мы шли уже третий километр от той точки на размытом глиняном болоте, которое именовалось дорогой, где бронегазель не смогла одолеть очередной склон и, едва не перевернувшись в овраг, застряла всеми бронекопытами. Две наших группы — как всегда, бедовые 3−я и 4−я — упорно месили глину, продираясь сквозь ватную сизую мглу. Я не видел ничего. Совсем. Даже очертания идущего впереди Яна-пулеметчика становились все более размытыми. Пару раз я врезался ему в спину — туда, где висел его безразмерный РД, набитый лентами. От моих толчков ленты тихонько гремели, Ян спотыкался, но не обижался, а лишь шептал: «Брат, все нормально?»
Unexpectedly without any explanations and anxiety signs both groups have stopped and settle on bushes. More precisely, neither bushes, nor people I did not see, but guessed that there is it.Неожиданно без каких-либо объяснений и признаков беспокойства обе группы остановились и расселись по кустам. Точнее, ни кустов, ни людей я не видел, но догадывался, что происходит именно это.
The rain poured all. шуршун (raincoat) has blotted mine through, "hill" already bulked up. Igor has conferred with major Mishej, the assistant to the commander of group on special actions, and has decided to arrange an ambush HERE. The place has been chosen truly: the wood edge came to an end with a field through which there was an one and only track. One more track went behind us through wood.Дождь все лил. Мой шуршун (дождевик) промок насквозь, «горка» уже набухала. Игорь посовещался с майором Мишей, заместителем командира отряда по спецоперациям, и решил устроить засаду ЗДЕСЬ. Место было выбрано верно: опушка леса заканчивалась полем, через которое шла одна-единственная тропа. Еще одна тропа шла сзади нас через лес.

Educational command «Storm!». Fighters examine tentУчебная команда «Штурм!». Бойцы досматривают палатку


All became colder. Having pulled together from itself 12 kilogrammes броника, I have spread out it on a grass, have put on it the «разгрузник» and подсумки withСтановилось все холоднее. Стянув с себя 12 кило броника, я разложил его на траве, поставил на него свой «разгрузник» и подсумки с
Photoaccessories also has covered them from above a backpack. Then, having hooked under "hill" a sweater, has stretched on a grass "a waterproof" rug and, опершись about a pine trunk a back (about, my poor, sick, flattened in two tens kgs a backbone!), has muffled in a groundsheet, hoping to doze.фотопринадлежностями и укрыл их сверху рюкзаком. Потом, поддев под «горку» свитер, растянул на траве «непромокаемый» коврик и, опершись о сосновый ствол спиной (о, мой бедный, больной, сплющенный двумя десятками килограммов позвоночник!), закутался в плащ-палатку, надеясь подремать.
Has not passed also a half an hour as I have woken up from vile sensation that I sit in a cold pool. So it also was: the groundsheet has got wet completely, and "the waterproof" rug differed nothing from the earth on which rolled. I with horror have thought of the chambers, objectives and accumulators. Не прошло и получаса, как я проснулся от мерзкого ощущения, что сижу в холодной луже. Так оно и было: плащ-палатка промокла вдрызг, а «непромокаемый» коврик ничем не отличался от земли, на которой валялся. Я с ужасом подумал о своих камерах, объективах и аккумуляторах.
With fingers not bending from a cold has got under a backpack. Chilly. Whether for a long time? From above in a backpack the sleeping bag lay. How many it is required to time that it has got wet through?Негнущимися от холода пальцами полез под рюкзак. Сухо. Надолго ли? Сверху в рюкзаке лежал спальник. Сколько потребуется времени, чтобы он промок насквозь?
Whence sideways to me someone's big head has bent: «Sasha, it you?» I have told that I not Sasha, and Dima. Откуда-то сбоку ко мне наклонилась чья-то большая голова: «Саша, это ты?» Я сказал, что я не Саша, а Дима.
«What such Dima?» — «Dima долбохлоп!» — обреченно having sighed, I have confessed. The head has appeared to Mishej — зампоспец (on special preparation) group. Pulled in a dream. It was very strange sensation: to sleep it would be desirable it is intolerable, but it was impossible to sleep — I was dripping wet . Me banged, on all body flew down, streamed, the cold moisture got under linen folds. It was especially opposite from dampness in a groin.«Какой такой Дима?» — «Дима долбохлоп!» — обреченно вздохнув, сознался я. Голова оказалась Мишей — зампоспец (по специальной подготовке) отряда. Тянуло в сон. Это было очень странное ощущение: спать хотелось невыносимо, но спать было невозможно — я промок до нитки . Меня колотило, по всему телу стекала, струилась, проникала под складки белья холодная влага. Особенно противно было от сырости в паху.
The liquid though was "magic", has ended in two hours. Then I stood, sat and even, to admit, lay, having covered with Mishej one groundsheet, trying not to think of a cold and about that, how many even hours we should sustain in this ice hell. We nestled to each other продрогшими bodies, having spat on involuntary *****c implied sense of our embraces, kept for hands, breathed each other in a palm, vainly trying though somehow to be warmed. On a fabric of our blotted "roof" it is indifferent the rain jingled. Once it has sharply ceased, but in twenty minutes ливанул with the doubled force.Жидкость, хоть и была «волшебной», закончилась через два часа. Потом я стоял, сидел и даже, признаться, лежал, накрывшись с Мишей одной плащ-палаткой, стараясь не думать о холоде и о том, сколько еще часов нам предстоит выдержать в этом ледяном аду. Мы прижимались друг к другу продрогшими телами, наплевав на невольный эротический подтекст наших объятий, держались за руки, дышали друг другу в ладони, тщетно стараясь хоть как-то согреться. По ткани нашей промокшей «крыши» безразлично дребезжал дождь. Однажды он резко перестал, но через двадцать минут ливанул с удвоенной силой.
Миша persuaded me to focus consciousness on something positive: «Present that you now on the bank of Black sea. A beach, a white shell rock, the sun …» «You scoff?!» — I have not begun to yell nearly . «You of that shout? We in an ambush!» — the major has besieged me. It became a shame to me. But the strongest feeling of disappointment did not leave: weather rubbish, how many will pour still, it is not known, to remove something is unreal because of outer darkness and a damned rain. And the most important thing, I have been assured that «басмачи» to such downpour through our ambush will not go: they too appreciate comfort, strong, hot tea and gaiters from the sheep wool. Here now to them on base to glance! I even the camera did not begin to take . At once would take РПГ. Or in general a rocket. "Point" is called …Миша уговаривал меня сфокусировать сознание на чем-то позитивном: «Представь, что ты сейчас на берегу Черного моря. Пляж, белый ракушечник, солнце…» «Ты издеваешься?!» — чуть не завопил я. «Ты чего орешь? Мы в засаде!» — осадил меня майор. Мне стало стыдно. Но сильнейшее чувство досады не покидало: погода дрянь, сколько еще будет лить, неизвестно, снимать что-то нереально из-за кромешной тьмы и проклятого дождя. А самое главное, я был уверен, что «басмачи» в такой ливень через нашу засаду не пойдут: они тоже ценят комфорт, крепкий, горячий чай и гамаши из овечьей шерсти. Вот бы сейчас к ним на базу заглянуть! Я бы даже фотоаппарат брать не стал. Сразу взял бы РПГ. Или вообще ракету. «Точка-У» называется…
Dawned. The temperature fell. My accumulators and objectives have decently dampened. It would not be desirable to lose equipment or — in a case зарубы with spirits — to learn that the chamber does not join, and the objective is not directed. Though generally similar weather my conditions железяки maintained time and again — and in a thunder-storm on the Kamchatka rivers, and in a snow storm in the Pakistan Himalayas. I simply searched an occasion to act in film from a problem, as to go 12 more kilometres with the group which has blotted through was above my forces. I have approached to Igor and have asked me to remove.Светало. Температура падала. Мои аккумуляторы и объективы прилично отсырели. Не хотелось лишиться аппаратуры или — в случае зарубы с духами — узнать, что камера не включается, а объектив не наводится. Хотя вообще-то подобные погодные условия мои железяки выдерживали не раз — и в грозу на камчатских реках, и в снежную бурю в пакистанских Гималаях. Я просто искал повода сняться с задачи, так как идти еще 12 километров с промокшей насквозь группой было выше моих сил. Я подошел к Игорю и попросил меня снять.
It was possible: in ten kilometres from a place of our ambush there was a small village where I could be thrown, having caused on a portable radio set a militian UAZ. With me there has left the Dagestan field investigator, having promised to bring to group of a polyethylene film — on four metres on everyone спеца.Это было возможно: в десятке километров от места нашей засады находилось маленькое село, куда меня можно было забросить, вызвав по рации милицейский уазик. Со мной уехал дагестанский оперативник, пообещав привезти в группу полиэтиленовой пленки — по четыре метра на каждого спеца.



By noon I have reached base. The commander of group has not shown indignation: «You in special troops did not give the oath ? Well and go to dry and sleep !» The group has returned at late night. They have not found base . «Басмачей» too have not met. Igor озабоченно has taken an interest in my state of health and has forced me to take cover the second blanket («the Brother, you be heated, heated!»). Then it sat on the cot, looked at a photo of the son and smiled. It was quiet and happy . К полудню я добрался до базы. Командир отряда не выказал возмущения: «Ты же присягу в спецназе не давал? Ну так и иди сушиться и спать !» Группа вернулась глубокой ночью. Базу они не нашли. «Басмачей» тоже не встретили. Игорь озабоченно поинтересовался моим самочувствием и заставил меня укрыться вторым одеялом («Брат, ты грейся, грейся!»). Потом он сидел на своей койке, смотрел на фотографию сына и улыбался. Он был спокоен и счастлив .
The result of an exit was positive: all were live and healthy . And what is necessary, devil take it?! Despite the fact that what each fighter in group has got wet at night to a thread and ten kilometres has walked then in spot-check on the cold mountains covered with the first snow ones and a half more, anybody from group was not ill, Igor has rested in bed somehow next day. In general, has carried by. BUT: it would be desirable to know, where that form for mountains from гортекса in which the special troops show the skills before capital TV on mountain-training base in Kabarde? In these jackets and trousers (on five hundred dollars for the complete set) it is possible though in a pool to lie — you will not get wet and you will not freeze. In it the one and only group in group is dressed to go on annual competitions — to show, what we good fellows. Then this дорогущую the form hand over under the inventory on a warehouse — before following competitions. Here only to work in mountains one this group, and ALL goes not . And not in гортексе, and in "slope". In it in a pool you will not lay down. Instead of God grant — an oak it is possible to give a downpour, then a frost . For a long time, from the beginning of the second Chechen, each contrabass and even some срочники, that have passed examination for a beret, buy to themselves the good form, footwear for mountains and other приблуды — РД, waistcoats-razgruzniki — on blood. Basically, unfortunately, almost all QUALITATIVE regimentals — import. Результат выхода был позитивным: все были живы и здоровы . А что еще нужно, черт возьми?! Несмотря на то что каждый боец в группе промок ночью до нитки и прошагал потом в рейде по холодным, покрытым первым снегом горам еще полтора десятка километров, никто из группы не заболел, сам Игорь отлежался кое-как на следующий день. В общем, пронесло. НО: хотелось бы знать, где та самая форма для гор из гортекса, в которой спецназ демонстрирует свои навыки перед столичным телевидением на горно-тренировочной базе в Кабарде? В этих куртках и штанах (по пятьсот долларов за комплект) можно хоть в луже лежать — не промокнешь и не замерзнешь. В нее одета одна-единственная группа в отряде, чтобы ездить на ежегодные соревнования — показывать, какие мы молодцы. Потом эту дорогущую форму сдают по описи на склад — до следующих соревнований. Вот только работать в горы ходит не одна эта группа, а ВСЕ. И не в гортексе, а в «склоне». В нем в лужу не ляжешь. А не дай бог ливень, потом мороз — дуба дать можно. Давно, с начала второй чеченской, каждый контрабас и даже некоторые срочники, те, что сдали экзамен на берет, покупают себе хорошую форму, обувь для гор и прочие приблуды — РД, жилеты-разгрузники — на свои кровные. В основном, к сожалению, почти все КАЧЕСТВЕННОЕ обмундирование — импортное.
On morning divorce the commander has ordered to prepare for work in addresses: «the real information that in one of settlements there is an address where there are spirits Has come . Now they are grazed by our scouts together with local operas. At any moment to us can give a command„ Forward! “, and then we will work. To commanders of groups — to generate assault divisions and to fulfil all the day long actions on penetration into a building, examination and a withdrawal. Questions?» Questions, certainly, was not.На утреннем разводе командир приказал готовиться к работе в адресах: «Пришла реальная информация о том, что в одном из населенных пунктов есть адрес, где бывают духи. Сейчас их пасут наши разведчики вместе с местными операми. В любой момент нам могут дать команду „Вперед!“, и тогда мы будем работать. Командирам групп — сформировать штурмовые подразделения и отрабатывать весь день действия по проникновению в здание, досмотру и отходу. Вопросы?» Вопросов, разумеется, не было.
Igor, as always it is accurate, has distributed a movement order: who for whom goes, who takes a board or a sledge hammer. Till a dinner "stormed" tent in which lived, after a dinner — a sports corner. Threatened to take still storm a bath (no, the female branch there is not present) and the most interesting — to grasp kitchen …Игорь, как всегда четко, распределил порядок движения: кто за кем идет, кто берет щит или кувалду. До обеда «штурмовали» палатку, в которой жили, после обеда — спортивный уголок. Грозились еще взять штурмом баню (нет, женского отделения там нет) и самое интересное — захватить кухню…
It only at cinema seems that all quickly: have beaten out a door, have flown, have neatly done some shooting all bad guys, have calmed the scared civilians and have evaporated, as though they here and were not! Who it there on the screen with the automatic machine in краповом a beret runs? The actor Tourist's Chinsky? The guy, would run you better with the bar … Это только в кино кажется, что все быстро: выбили дверь, влетели, метко постреляли всех плохих парней, успокоили испуганное гражданское население и испарились, как будто их тут и не было! Кто это там на экране с автоматом в краповом берете бегает? Актер Турчинский? Парень, бегал бы ты лучше со своей штангой…
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So, we come into the address. How we come? Imagine that you enter into the empty house. And it the truth the empty? Where the door opens — inside or outside? What is a door — wooden or iron, living a tree? And can, it double? At what height there are windows, how many them? What thickness of walls? Whether there are in the house animals — dogs, for example? How many presumably in the house of figurants? How they are armed? Where exactly, in what room there are necessary people? Whether there are in the house civil? Yes, almost always is — both women, and children, and old men. And almost for certain someone will suffer at storm. It is good, if spirits of the relatives agree to let out and then to fight so to fight! Worse if do not let out. The woman on caucasus — last mouth in a family, it also will not ask: the man will decide that will be a disgrace, if his wife (sister, the daughter) leaves with the lifted hands to "incorrect", means, will die together with it. Then all aul about it begins to speak as about the sacred. Так, заходим в адрес. Как заходим? Представьте себе, что вы входите в пустой дом. А он правда пустой? Куда дверь открывается — внутрь или наружу? Какая это дверь — деревянная или железная, обитая деревом? А может, она двойная? На какой высоте находятся окна, сколько их? Какова толщина стен? Есть ли в доме животные — собаки, например? Сколько предположительно в доме фигурантов? Как они вооружены? Где именно, в какой комнате находятся нужные люди? Есть ли в доме гражданские? Да, почти всегда есть — и бабы, и дети, и старики. И почти наверняка кто-то пострадает при штурме. Это хорошо, если духи своих родственников соглашаются выпустить, и тогда уж биться так биться! Хуже, если не выпускают. Баба на Кавказе — последний рот в семье, ее и не спросят: решит мужчина, что будет позором, если его жена (сестра, дочь) выйдет с поднятыми руками к «неверным», значит, умрет вместе с ним. Потом весь аул о ней станет говорить как о святой.

Members of spetsnaz fulfil skills of work in "address" operationsСпецназовцы отрабатывают навыки работы в «адресных» операциях


Well. We will admit, a door have broken, a corridor have passed, have seen three (and can, four?) rooms on the ground floor and, the Allah knows it, how many on the second. And still there is a cellar and subsidiary premises. Have broken into the two, everyone — in " the" room, a trunk we drive upwards-downwards, it is prompt under all beds, cases, tables have glanced that disturbs — have turned, have cast away, have removed … Purely! We move further! Хорошо. Допустим, дверь сломали, коридор прошли, увидели три (а может, четыре?) комнаты на первом этаже и, аллах его знает, сколько на втором. А еще есть подвал и подсобные помещения. Разбились на двойки, каждая — в «свою» комнату, стволом водим вверх-вниз, стремительно под все кровати, шкафы, столы заглянули, что мешает — перевернули, откинули, отодвинули… Чисто! Двигаемся дальше!

JohnnyWalker
06-03-2009, 11:46 PM
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Each new room, кладовка, an input in a cellar or a ladder on an attic is the new stress, a new ice ice-hole. And, maybe, YOUR bullet. To spit that on you a steel helmet with a visor and 12−14 kilogrammes of the reservation. I will wish to have to nobody blow of the bullet 7,62, let out to you in a breast or in a head from distance of 3−4 metres. It can be compared to blow of the railway locomotive pushing you from all nonsense so that breath stops also you fly … and a horse-radish any more do not feel, because сознанье yours far-far. Каждая новая комната, кладовка, вход в подвал или лестница на чердак — это новый стресс, новая ледяная прорубь. И, может быть, ТВОЯ пуля. Плевать, что на тебе стальной шлем с забралом и 12−14 кило брони. Никому не пожелаю испытать удар пули 7,62, выпущенной тебе в грудь или в голову с расстояния 3−4 метра. Это можно сравнить с ударом железнодорожного локомотива, толкающего тебя со всей дури так, что дыхание останавливается и ты летишь… и ни хрена уже не чувствуешь, потому что сознанье твое далеко-далеко.
Well and if has happened in any one premise заруба: insurgents have proved and have revealed? What actions of other two-three? Correctly, to continue examination of the "" premises, not to let out spirits if they THERE are. And the two which was cut with spirits, does not arrange with them duel as at cinema, shooting because of corners, being thrown by knifes and effectively destroying furniture. It is possible to throw pair of grenades, of course: it invigorates. Then to "be rolled away" from the house and to cause the tank. In the light of appeals of remedial structures about application of the humane weapon. The in itself tank — the weapon "not lethal" also is used only for solemn end of fighting operation. For now it goes, it is very useful to block ALL ways of a withdrawal of a gang and periodically to remind it of itself execution of symphonic numbers on tools like РПГ, РПО or КПВТ. Also it is not necessary to aspire to the idiotic purposes like capture of the gangster alive or preservations of its property earned by heavy dishonest work. And especially to a lantern where there will live then his family if the house will break the tank. It is much more important, that the family of the tankman has not received похоронку if spirits have a pair of "shots" to a grenade cup discharge …Ну а если случилась в каком-то одном помещении заруба: боевики проявили себя и раскрылись? Каковы действия других двоек-троек? Правильно, продолжать досмотр «своих» помещений, чтобы не выпустить духов, если они ТАМ найдутся. А двойка, которая зарубилась с духами, не устраивает с ними дуэль, как в кино, стреляя из-за углов, швыряясь ножами и эффектно круша мебель. Можно, конечно, кинуть пару гранат: это бодрит. После чего «откатиться» из дома и вызвать танк. В свете призывов правозащитных структур о применении гуманного оружия. Сам по себе танк — оружие «нелетальное» и используется исключительно для торжественного завершения боевой операции. А пока он едет, очень полезно блокировать ВСЕ пути отхода банды и периодически напоминать ей о себе исполнением симфонических номеров на инструментах вроде РПГ, РПО или КПВТ. И не нужно стремиться к идиотским целям вроде захвата бандита живьем или сохранения его имущества, заработанного тяжким нечестным трудом. И уж тем более до фонаря, где потом будет жить его семья, если дом сломают танком. Гораздо важнее, чтобы семья танкиста не получила похоронку, если у духов найдется пара «выстрелов» к гранатомету…
In two days of nervous expectation about a distance "release". The reason of "release" to staff of group did not lead up.Через двое суток нервного ожидания по адресу дали «отбой». Причину «отбоя» до личного состава отряда не доводили.
Day 14−й — 16−йДень 14−й — 16−й

Following the results of viewing of local advertising television channel in спецназовских ratings was in the lead Salma Hayek. Kameron Dias has gone down to the fourth place. The previous James Bonda's last girl had high chances of leadership also. To it did not concede to Kira Najtli from «Pirates of Caribbean sea». And notorious Xenia С it is sad swallowed of viagra on last places of man's charts of those-whom-we-@-now … All it meant that the mood in heroic group of special troops "Russia" was excellent, and the moral spirit — is high more than ever. Drove for a check point, "have hit" a wild hen-grill, have washed down with very green fragrant tea, погрустили slightly that we sit without work. По итогам просмотра местного рекламного телеканала в спецназовских рейтингах лидировала Сальма Хайек. Камерон Диас спустилась до четвертого места. Высокие шансы на лидерство имела также последняя девушка предыдущего Джеймса Бонда. Ей не уступала Кира Найтли из «Пиратов Карибского моря». А пресловутая Ксения С. печально глотала виагру на последних местах мужского хит-парада тех-кого-мы-бы-сейчас… Все это означало, что настроение в героическом отряде спецназа «Русь» было превосходным, а моральный дух — высок как никогда. Сгоняли за КПП, «подстрелили» дикую курицу-гриль, запили очень зеленым ароматным чаем, погрустили слегка, что сидим без работы.
The commander disappeared every day on mysterious meetings to Makhachkala, in the Dagestan Ministry of Internal Affairs. There to it put wild problems and promised «показчиков» with an exact military information. But it was impossible somehow with a military information after in September gentlemen from ЦСН FSB together with "Hero" have presoaked in the address already Rappani Halilova — known to drag, calling «амиром Dagestan джамаата». Here concocted words! Dzha-maat … it!Командир каждый день исчезал на загадочные совещания в Махачкалу, в дагестанское МВД. Там ему ставили дикие задачи и обещали «показчиков» с точными разведданными. Но не получалось как-то с разведданными после того, как в сентябре джентльмены из ЦСН ФСБ вместе с «Витязем» замочили в адресе аж самого Раппани Халилова — известную сволочь, именовавшую себя «амиром дагестанского джамаата». Вот навыдумывали слов! Джа-маать… его!

After spot-check members of spetsnaz spend "audit" of an ammunitionПосле рейда спецназовцы проводят «аудит» боеприпасов


I ached and complained that we do nothing, we stand idle that the previous operations of results have not given … However, I have already started to understand that work of special troops the such: it is possible to go on ten problems and to find nobody . Я ныл и жаловался, что сидим без дела, простаиваем, что предыдущие операции результатов не дали… Впрочем, я уже начал понимать, что работа спецназа такая: можно съездить на десять задач и никого не найти.
The main thing that all the were whole. It would be desirable, of course, action, but … Главное, чтобы все свои были целы. Хотелось, конечно, action, но…
On 16−й day of my business trip again began to dawn light — a new exit in spot-check. Have armed, have sat down, we wait. As always it is unexpected — "release". Even days of despondency and boiled rice. На 16−й день моей командировки снова забрезжил свет — новый выход в рейд. Вооружились, сели, ждем. Как всегда неожиданно — «отбой». Еще сутки уныния и рисовой каши.
Day 17−й — 19−йДень 17−й — 19−й

On Sunday in five mornings the uneasy person on duty on group with the report has come running that all commanders urgently convoke on meeting. But no meeting as that existed. Igor has returned in four minutes and has asked me:« You are ready to be put forward now in mountains on three days? Only consider: from this area I you cannot on an UAZ on base return. You will pass with us all route ». I have submissively nodded. Us have thrown in mountains, on northern suburb of a ridge Carat-tjube. Before an exit Igor has magnanimously allocated to me the groundsheet sheathed by polyethylene, a dry sleeping bag, the warm winter form and rubber boots. Below in a valley fried the sun, but in October mountains — on two thousand metres — for certain a fog and a vile rain. The problem was the same — base search. The geography of area of search has been essentially expanded. We went down in bottomless ravines and rose on the slopes which have become limp from a rain. During one of such liftings directly on me the boulder in size with me from above has swept . By miracle without having flattened out my semiarmour body, it has slipped on a sleeve of" a hill »and has boomingly knocked about a thick trunk of an old oak. I have not had time even to be frightened. Igor going on three cases ahead of me, only has ho****ly exhaled:« Мля … »Forces on emotion were not. The poor creature the machine gunner, sergeant Bulych, has absolutely become exhausted : sixty kgs of iron were dragged on itself, by the elephant calf. One cartridges — тридцатник, yes the reservation, yes a backpack, yes the weapon. A slope — degrees eighty. Feet slid on the old decayed leaves and a crude moss. To climb upwards on such soil it is impossible even with light baggage — all the same you slip downwards and when on you the one ten kgs you you move down as an uncontrollable torpedo hangs yet . В воскресенье в пять утра прибежал взволнованный дежурный по отряду с докладом, что всех командиров срочно созывают на совещание. Но никакого совещания как такового не было. Игорь вернулся через четыре минуты и спросил меня: «Ты готов выдвигаться сейчас в горы на трое суток? Только учти: из того района я тебя не смогу на уазике на базу вернуть. Пройдешь с нами весь маршрут». Я смиренно кивнул. Нас забросили в горы, на северную окраину хребта Карат-Тюбе. Перед выходом Игорь великодушно выделил мне обшитую полиэтиленом плащ-палатку, сухой спальник, теплую зимнюю форму и резиновые сапоги. Внизу в долине жарило солнце, но в октябрьских горах — на двух тысячах метров — наверняка туман и мерзкий дождик. Задача была та же — поиск базы.География района поиска была существенно расширена. Мы спускались в бездонные овраги и поднимались по раскисшим от дождя склонам. Во время одного из таких подъемов прямо на меня сверху покатился валун размером с меня самого. Чудом не расплющив мое полубронированное тело, он скользнул по рукаву «горки» и гулко стукнул о толстый ствол старого дуба. Я не успел даже испугаться. Игорь, шедший на три корпуса впереди меня, только хрипло выдохнул: «Мля…» Сил на эмоции не было.Бедняга пулеметчик, сержант Булыч, совершенно выбился из сил : шестьдесят килограммов железа тащил на себе, слоненок. Одних патронов — тридцатник, да броня, да рюкзак, да оружие. Склон — градусов восемьдесят. Ноги скользили по старым сгнившим листьям и сырому мху. Лезть вверх по такой почве невозможно даже налегке — все равно сползаешь вниз, а когда на тебе висит еще не один десяток килограммов, то съезжаешь, как неуправляемая торпеда.
— Bulych, a bough, climb, to you I speak! Give, мля … Climb!— Булыч, сука, лезь, тебе говорю! Давай, мля… Лезь!
— I … climb … нах … I can not … allow … to recover the breath …— Я… лезу… нах… не могу… дай… отдышаться…
— Bulych, the brother, well give! Remains a little! Already we were fixed on a slope!— Булыч, брат, ну давай! Немного осталось! Вон уже наши закрепились на склоне!
It was lies: to top was still kilometre ones and a half …Это было вранье: до вершины было еще километра полтора…

Conditions on time base the Spartan: all is under construction the hands, including plank beds on which members of spetsnaz sleepУсловия на временной базе спартанские: все строится своими руками, в том числе и нары, на которых спецназовцы спят


When we have climbed up a hill, to our happiness there was no limit. Everyone has afforded a good portion of mineral water and — with the permission of Denis, the assistant to the commander of group on investigation, — easy lunch. Hey, who wishes to serve in special troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs? To you guarantee regular romantic lunch on fresh mountain air and unforgettable impressions! (However, it does not mean that impressions will be positive.) Когда мы взобрались на сопку, нашему счастью не было предела. Каждый позволил себе хорошую порцию минералки и — с разрешения Дениса, заместителя командира отряда по разведке, — легкий ленч. Эй, кто хочет служить в спецназе МВД? Вам гарантируют регулярные романтические ленчи на свежем горном воздухе и незабываемые впечатления! (Впрочем, это не означает, что впечатления будут позитивными.)
Certainly, I was the only thing who slept at night. All other worked: observed of possible moving of the opponent. Разумеется, я был единственным, кто спал по ночам. Все прочие работали: наблюдали за возможным перемещением противника.
Spirits, we and have not found their camp . All have returned on base whole and safe. Nobody has attacked a mine, has not fallen down from breakage, has not lost the weapon or still something state-valuable. In the evening again there was a bath in the third group, "have hit" one more hen-grill. Have sat, have looked the latest news from a life of stars of Hollywood and the Moscow parties. A rating has again won Salma Hayek.Ни духов, ни их лагерь мы так и не нашли. Все вернулись на базу целыми и невредимыми. Никто не наступил на мину, не свалился с обрыва, не потерял оружие или еще что-нибудь казенное-ценное. Вечером опять была баня в третьей группе, «подстрелили» еще одну курицу-гриль. Посидели, посмотрели последние новости из жизни звезд Голливуда и московских тусовок. В рейтинге снова победила Сальма Хайек.
I have departed next day, having changed clothes in colour jeans «деним» and is fashionable-pink a half-island When I went through a base parade-ground, the green sentry near КХО (a room of storage of the weapon. — «РР») looked to me following a restless eye. Igor on бронегазели has thrown me in the airport and took the promise that I am more to Dagestan I will not go. After an arrival in shining a steel and glass of Domodedovo I was met by huge publicity boards of new glamour magazines. From one smiled Salma Hayek. From second Ksjusha. But me was all the same. РРЯ улетел на следующий день, переодевшись в джинсы цвета «деним» и модно-розовое поло. Когда я шел через плац базы, зеленый часовой возле КХО (комната хранения оружия. — «РР») смотрел мне вслед тревожным взглядом. Игорь на бронегазели забросил меня в аэропорт и взял обещание, что больше я в Дагестан не поеду. По прилете в сияющем сталью и стеклом Домодедово меня встретили гигантские рекламные щиты новых гламурных журналов. С одного улыбалась Сальма Хайек. Со второго Ксюша. Но мне было все равно. РР
The author expresses deep gratitude to magazine of special divisions "Brothers" for the help in material preparatio

JohnnyWalker
06-03-2009, 11:56 PM
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Октябрь 2007. Россия, Дагестан
Комплекты боевой экипировки спецназа
Комплект обычного стрелка спецназа МВД - 30 с лишним килограммов: бронежилет (12 кг),автомат + 10 магазинов (300 патронов)+ подсумок с гранатами для подствольного гранатомёта и обычными гранатами+ РД (рюкзак десантника), где лежат тёплые вещи для выживания в горах, спальник ит.п.

Комплект радиста спецназа МВД - около 55 килограммов: радиостанция Р-159М вместе с запасным аккумулятором (19 кг), бронежилет (12 кг),автомат + 10 магазинов (300 патронов)+ РД (рюкзак десантника), где лежат тёплые вещи для выживания в горах, спальник ит.п.

Комплект пулемётчика спецназа МВД - около 60 килограммов: 1000 патронов в подсумках и коробках (около 30 кг) + пулемёт со сменным стволом (около 15 кг), бронежилет (12 кг) + РД (рюкзак десантника), где лежат тёплые вещи для выживания в горах, спальник ит.п.



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Октябрь 2007. Россия, Дагестан
На вечерней поверке на временной базе в Дагестане, бойцам спецназа МВД ставят задачу - выход на РПМ (рейдово-поисковые мероприятия)



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Октябрь 2007. Россия, Дагестан
Бойцы спецназа МВД готовятся к СБЗ (служебно боевому заданию) за сутки до выхода в горы

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Октябрь 2007.
Бойцы спецназа МВД готовятся к СБЗ (служебно боевому заданию) за сутки до выхода в горы



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Октябрь 2007. Россия, Дагестан
На ВПУ (временный пункт управления) - то есть просто в поле, за несколько минут до начала горного рейда бойцы спецназа МВД греются у костра


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Октябрь 2007. Россия, Дагестан
Группа бойцов спецназа МВД выдвигается в свой квадрат для начала горного рейда,



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Октябрь 2007. Россия, Дагестан
РПМ - рейдово-поисковые мероприятия в лесу. Группа Спецназа МВД во время горного рейда



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Октябрь 2007. Россия, Дагестан
На пределе человеческих возможностей. Почти 55 кг веса аммуниции тащит на себе контрактник "Булыч". Группа бойцов спецназа МВД совершает восхождение на заданную высоту во время горного рейда



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Октябрь 2007. Россия, Дагестан
На временной базе бойцы спецназа МВД активно "качаются" в "спортивном уголке", оборудованном своими руками. В каждой группе свой уголок




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Россия, Дагестан
На временной базе бойцы спецназа МВД активно "качаются" в "спортивном уголке", оборудованном своими руками. Упражнение с кувалдой - для тех, кто работает "вышибалой" в "адресных" операциях




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Октябрь 2007. Россия, Дагестан
После возвращения с СБЗ (служебно боевого задания) на временную базу, бойцы спецназа МВД чистят оружие в "спортивном уголке"



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Октябрь 2007. Россия, Дагестан
После возвращения с СБЗ (служебно боевого задания) на временную базу, бойцы спецназа МВД проводят "аудит" боеприпасов и оружия



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Октябрь 2007. Россия, Дагестан
На временной базе спецназа МВД условия очень спартанские, но пригодные для выживания в командировке. Всё строится своими руками,в том числе и эти нары, на которых спецназовцы спят



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Октябрь 2007. Россия, Дагестан
Спецназовцы заступают в караул

Kunal Biswas
06-04-2009, 04:15 AM
Awesome translation huh??

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Октябрь 2007. Россия, Дагестан
Спецназовцы заступают в караул


Nice Photos....

HeadShotVictim
06-04-2009, 05:36 AM
Notice, that guys in the forest don't have body armor. So get 12 kg out:). Normally spec ops in Russia do not ware body armor at long term missions (vyhody). It is just impossible to carry 50-60 kg over several days. It will end up with spine trauma quite quickly. Usually group either have their own stashes in the area of operation, or just manage to save as much weight as possible, for example carry no food at all.
BTW. Machine gunners usually carry loads of amo, this is spread among all group members. As well as explosives carried(if any). Heavy armoured troups can be seen at the field in cases of address operation- when they come and leave by means of transportation.

void
06-04-2009, 08:50 AM
Nice new Mi-28 video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uN-9fxYRWo

Kunal Biswas
06-04-2009, 08:53 AM
Notice, that guys in the forest don't have body armor. So get 12 kg out:). Normally spec ops in Russia do not ware body armor at long term missions (vyhody). It is just impossible to carry 50-60 kg over several days. It will end up with spine trauma quite quickly. Usually group either have their own stashes in the area of operation, or just manage to save as much weight as possible, for example carry no food at all.
BTW. Machine gunners usually carry loads of amo, this is spread among all group members. As well as explosives carried(if any). Heavy armoured troups can be seen at the field in cases of address operation- when they come and leave by means of transportation.


Notice carefully these jungle soldier are wearing some kind of black BP ( Kevlar ) .....


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Mousepad
06-04-2009, 08:57 AM
Nice new Mi-28 video:



50 new birds till the end of 2009? would be nice if it's not some wishful thinking of reporter.

sup_tech
06-04-2009, 10:00 AM
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Октябрь 2007. Россия, Дагестан
Группа бойцов спецназа МВД выдвигается в свой квадрат для начала горного рейда,



75 round mag on AKM + under barrel grenade launcher GP 25. Nice.

I wonder how is it comfortable to use both on the same weapon...

JohnnyWalker
06-04-2009, 10:24 AM
BOOOOYA!!! The new OMON hood ornament

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yeah that's what I thought.... :)

Red_Rage
06-04-2009, 10:52 AM
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Россия, Дагестан
На временной базе бойцы спецназа МВД активно "качаются" в "спортивном уголке", оборудованном своими руками. Упражнение с кувалдой - для тех, кто работает "вышибалой" в "адресных" операциях




Interesting exercise. Never occurred to me that designated door-kickers put so much emphasis on sledgehammer training.

JohnnyWalker
06-04-2009, 12:41 PM
Interesting exercise. Never occurred to me that designated door-kickers put so much emphasis on sledgehammer training.

I mean if you think about it, it makes sense. You want the designated door kicker, door ass whooper to be as much oblivious to the pain of serious vibration, and to the pain of sticking a foot or shoulder through let's say a door with a couple of dead bolts.

Hazard1024
06-04-2009, 12:44 PM
The tire-sledgehammer thing is a very goood exrecise in general, many combat sport athletes use it.

Kunal Biswas
06-04-2009, 12:49 PM
BOOOOYA!!! The new OMON hood ornament

http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/9240/51866jpg700.jpg

yeah that's what I thought.... :)

Spetsnaz ?? ....

metberkut
06-04-2009, 01:00 PM
Pictures of the crashed Su-35-4:

http://photofile.name/users/sergxon/96063153/107599303/

HeadShotVictim
06-04-2009, 02:27 PM
Notice carefully these jungle soldier are wearing some kind of black BP ( Kevlar ) .....


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First picture -may be, but more like weight saving. Second - no armor at all as well as picture of guys at the road side. 12 kg BA would be very noticeable. Light kevlar BA has some sense only as a mean of mine and grenade projectiles protection. Do they need one?

Hazzard
06-04-2009, 02:33 PM
Interesting exercise. Never occurred to me that designated door-kickers put so much emphasis on sledgehammer training.

Special forces use sledgehammer for pulverising...p-)

zg18
06-04-2009, 02:59 PM
Spetsnaz ?? ....

OMON

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OMON

Difool
06-04-2009, 03:10 PM
OMON

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OMON
And please do not start the OsNaz-or-SpetsNaz discussion!!! p-)

Jippo
06-04-2009, 03:18 PM
75 round mag on AKM + under barrel grenade launcher GP 25. Nice.

I wonder how is it comfortable to use both on the same weapon...

Full drum alone is really heavy and normal off-hand shooting stances have to be modified. Both put the weight in front end of the rifle making holding the rifle very straining.

TheArmenian
06-04-2009, 03:26 PM
Full drum alone is really heavy and normal off-hand shooting stances have to be modified. Both put the weight in front end of the rifle making holding the rifle very straining.

I can imagine that.
On the other hand all that added weight should reduce the felt recoil of the 7.62 x 39 round. Shooting all the 75 rounds in full auto (from a defensive position) should be fun and relatively painless.

Having said that it is not uncommon to see two 30 round magazines taped together (blue tape of course) plus the underbarrel grenade launcher.

Kunal Biswas
06-04-2009, 04:57 PM
OMON

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OMON

Thanks for the info.....

Kunal Biswas
06-04-2009, 04:58 PM
First picture -may be, but more like weight saving. Second - no armor at all as well as picture of guys at the road side. 12 kg BA would be very noticeable. Light kevlar BA has some sense only as a mean of mine and grenade projectiles protection. Do they need one?


Only man on the field knows !!.....

Mormaeglin
06-04-2009, 05:41 PM
Having said that it is not uncommon to see two 30 round magazines taped together (blue tape of course) plus the underbarrel grenade launcher.

If I am not wrong it is also common practice to use RPK magazines when such are available. At least I am thinking so. I saw many photos taken for example during Afgan or later Chechenija, and in many cases soldiers had such mags attached to their rifles.

Zane Zackerly
06-04-2009, 05:44 PM
Some pics of anti-poaching teams in Russia

Russia-Siberia
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/ak47nut/akphotos25/RUSSIA-SIBERIA-1.jpg
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/ak47nut/akphotos25/RUSSIA-SIBERIA-1A.jpg
Russia-Vladivostok
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e8/ak47nut/akphotos25/RUSSIA-VLADIVOSTOKAMURLEOPARDANTI-P.jpg

JohnnyWalker
06-04-2009, 06:52 PM
now that's what I call an anti-poaching team. Bring the hurt.

shuravee
06-04-2009, 06:53 PM
Only left man from the first picture is from law enforcement agency. Other guys are some kind of park rangers (yes, with Saiga - civilian version of AK)

Zane Zackerly
06-04-2009, 06:55 PM
Only left man from the first picture is from law enforcement agency. Other guys are some kind of park rangers (yes, with Saiga - civilian version of AK)



You're right. If I remember correctly the other guy is a reporter. He's the one who had the pics on his blog in the first place.

void
06-04-2009, 07:05 PM
50 new birds till the end of 2009? would be nice if it's not some wishful thinking of reporter.

I am guessing the reporter meant 50 new helicopters in general, which is a feasible figure, def not gonna get 50 Mi-28s though in its first year of serial production.

JohnnyWalker
06-04-2009, 07:54 PM
nevermind... not worth it

K-5
06-04-2009, 10:42 PM
Su-35-004 after failed takeoff:
http://photofile.name/users/sergxon/96063153/107599307/#mainImageLink
(working link:oops:)
(http://http//photofile.name/users/sergxon/96063153/107599307/#mainImageLink/)

JohnnyWalker
06-04-2009, 10:48 PM
Su-35-004 after failed takeoff:
http:/http://photofile.name/users/sergxon/96063153/107599307/#mainImageLink/ (http://http//photofile.name/users/sergxon/96063153/107599307/#mainImageLink/)

hmmm link doesn't work

Over G
06-04-2009, 11:27 PM
I don't know if i read here about the expansion of the russian surface navy, dont remember, it was a few weeks ago, i guess..

But what is the reason for more surface ships and especially for more carriers, why russians need more carriers, i fail to understand it

There are not critics about such plans, no militars or politicians have criticized about such plans?

IMO a better fleet of icebreakers ,and a more arctic oriented doctrine would fit better, with the advent of the arctic exploration and resource explotation

What is the deal with the russian carries, russia or even the soviet union is /was not that interventionist as the US...what is the deal with russian carriers? Africa?

Just leaving this picture, i don't like to post pictures, too lazy...and tired :) , but is a bit uneducated from me to make such large comment w/o any picture, in a picture thread :D, so well, an icebreaker, i want to see one with missiles...;)

mrxyz
06-04-2009, 11:40 PM
IMO a better fleet of icebreakers ,and a more arctic oriented doctrine would fit better, with the advent of the arctic exploration and resource explotation

Doesn't Russia already have the largest and most capable icebreaker fleet?

void
06-04-2009, 11:53 PM
I don't know if i read here about the expansion of the russian surface navy, dont remember, it was a few weeks ago, i guess..

But what is the reason for more surface ships and especially for more carriers, why russians need more carriers, i fail to understand it

There are not critics about such plans, no militars or politicians have criticized about such plans?

IMO a better fleet of icebreakers ,and a more arctic oriented doctrine would fit better, with the advent of the arctic exploration and resource explotation

What is the deal with the russian carries, russia or even the soviet union is /was not that interventionist as the US...what is the deal with russian carriers? Africa?

Just leaving this picture, i don't like to post pictures, too lazy...and tired :) , but is a bit uneducated from me to make such large comment w/o any picture, in a picture thread :D, so well, an icebreaker, i want to see one with missiles...;)

Im hoping that the talk of "6" carriers was just that, talk. Russia does not need carriers, there are better places to spend that money. The only reason the SU built a massive navy was to try to interdict operation REFORGER in the case of a war in Europe. This hopefully is no longer a consideration. Now, Russia needs a navy to do mainly 1 thing: defend the SSBN bastions.
Now, the SSBN bastions are in range of coastal aviation, so air superiority can be attained that way. So no need for carriers there. Not really much need for many anti-surface ships either imo because coastal aviation can do that. I think Russia should concentrate on her submarine fleet, this is where its always been good at. So focus on submarines, a few ASW surface ships, and coastal aviation I think should be the main focus of Russia's navy.
my 2 cents...

K-5
06-05-2009, 12:16 AM
Im hoping that the talk of "6" carriers was just that, talk. Russia does not need carriers, there are better places to spend that money. The only reason the SU built a massive navy was to try to interdict operation REFORGER in the case of a war in Europe. This hopefully is no longer a consideration. Now, Russia needs a navy to do mainly 1 thing: defend the SSBN bastions.
Now, the SSBN bastions are in range of coastal aviation, so air superiority can be attained that way. So no need for carriers there. Not really much need for many anti-surface ships either imo because coastal aviation can do that. I think Russia should concentrate on her submarine fleet, this is where its always been good at. So focus on submarines, a few ASW surface ships, and coastal aviation I think should be the main focus of Russia's navy.
my 2 cents...
I believe you need not to worry about six carriers entering service in near, or far, future:roll:. They should invest in making navy more flexible, able to react rapidly and decisively. New multipurpose oceanic vessels and refining marines groups should be sufficient for now. But IMO Russia should invest in space heavily making it a national priority...

dzhaga-dzhaga
06-05-2009, 12:20 AM
I'm still in Omsk. there are my first pictures from poligon

*************** dot com/?task=album&Itemid=109&option=com_ebygallery&limitstart=0&path=vttv_omsk_2009_Defense_exhibition_Russia_Omsk&sw=undefined

jaybe
06-05-2009, 01:51 AM
Since Funny Pics still closed

http://pics.livejournal.com/bf_109e/pic/000cdc25

TR1
06-05-2009, 01:52 AM
Link got messed up Vitaly. I am very much looking foreward to your OMSK pics though.

jaybe
06-05-2009, 01:59 AM
Parking

http://pics.livejournal.com/gobots/pic/0000kb5c

Over G
06-05-2009, 02:23 AM
What did happen to this? cancelled? still under development?

It name is Aviastar Thermoplane, first time i saw was in popular mechanics, puff while ago....long, long ago, just now i googled to find info about it, and there are few pictures

http://pagesperso-orange.fr/dirigeables/photos/thermoplan40hangar.jpg

http://pagesperso-orange.fr/dirigeables/photos/termoplan40a.jpg

http://pagesperso-orange.fr/dirigeables/photos/thermoplan40nuit.jpg

Rather than it weird shape, i liked the concept, which is based on using the exhaust gases from a turoprop as hot air for the airship (yes is an airship :D)

Any more informtive link?

Mormaeglin
06-05-2009, 02:41 AM
Goddamn,I knew it, Russian UFO! ,)

dzhaga-dzhaga
06-05-2009, 02:44 AM
Link got messed up Vitaly. I am very much looking foreward to your OMSK pics though.


there are several pics

BMP-3
http://i44.*******.com/2zhnqdw.jpg



T-80U
http://i40.*******.com/10o3636.jpg



T-80UK
http://i41.*******.com/epkh8l.jpg



T-90
http://i43.*******.com/2cood1d.jpg




T-80UK,T-90,T-80U

http://i40.*******.com/2drazwz.jpg




Some more pics
http://tinyurl.com/ouz3hw

ir_ingr
06-05-2009, 03:36 AM
What did happen to this? cancelled? still under development?

It name is Aviastar Thermoplane, first time i saw was in popular mechanics, puff while ago....long, long ago, just now i googled to find info about it, and there are few pictures

http://pagesperso-orange.fr/dirigeables/photos/thermoplan40nuit.jpg

Rather than it weird shape, i liked the concept, which is based on using the exhaust gases from a turoprop as hot air for the airship (yes is an airship :D)

Any more informtive link?

http://**********/tracks/1448167.html?v=85ee1b44029ad7fdc4920c8c1e6a89c9

K-5
06-05-2009, 03:37 AM
there are several pics
http://tinyurl.com/ouz3hw
Very eager to see your reportwoot Any static displayed T-80U's this year?

ir_ingr
06-05-2009, 03:43 AM
What did happen to this? cancelled? still under development?

It name is Aviastar Thermoplane, first time i saw was in popular mechanics, puff while ago....long, long ago, just now i googled to find info about it, and there are few pictures


http://pagesperso-orange.fr/dirigeables/photos/thermoplan40nuit.jpg

Rather than it weird shape, i liked the concept, which is based on using the exhaust gases from a turoprop as hot air for the airship (yes is an airship :D)

Any more informtive link?

There were another see-thermo-plane project:

http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/3604/kerpe1.1d/0_293d7_9c1014e2_XL.jpg (http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/kerpe1/view/168919/)

Over G
06-05-2009, 03:50 AM
Thank you ir_ingr, i did not notice, probably i'm wrong, but there is a little "dome" on the airship's top, guess is the final hot air exit, not sure, just wonder what happened to the program

GazB
06-05-2009, 04:55 AM
50 new birds till the end of 2009? would be nice if it's not some wishful thinking of reporter.

Not impossible if they had the funding.


75 round mag on AKM + under barrel grenade launcher GP 25. Nice.

I wonder how is it comfortable to use both on the same weapon...

Should be OK. The GP-25 and GP-30 both have their own pistol grips to hold on to when using.


What is the deal with the russian carries, russia or even the soviet union is /was not that interventionist as the US...what is the deal with russian carriers? Africa?

Russian carriers are not like US and western carriers. Russian carriers are designed first and foremost to carry fighters to protect the rest of the fleet. That is to say that having a Russian carrier with a group of Russian ships enhances the range of that group of ships eyes and ears and also extends the range of its teeth. Both are vital to groups of ships (visual range and range of reach of weapons). For the Russians the purpose of the aircraft is also to defend the ships from enemy aircraft too. It also extends the ability to protect the vessels in the group from mines and subs because of all the helos the carrier can carry too.


Im hoping that the talk of "6" carriers was just that, talk. Russia does not need carriers, there are better places to spend that money.

6 Nimitz class carriers would be too much. 6 much smaller carriers without catapaults but with high altitude UAVs for AEW and fighter aircraft able to deal with enemy aircraft and enemy ships and even enemy subs is a good thing. Carriers are expensive... any carrier user will admit to that. Carriers are useful too. A group of ships become much more powerful when one of them is a carrier.

Put it this way... without carriers the Russian navy has no need for any large ships at all and it will become a coastal patrol fleet with subs.

Having a blue water navy is a good thing and not something that only the rich countries have. Being able to protect your interests world wide is actually a good thing.

ayanami_tard
06-05-2009, 07:56 AM
one question.

is it possible to upgrade an existing MiG 29(a later model than the "A" version) to the most sophisticated one,say MiG 35?


thanks in advance

GazB
06-05-2009, 08:16 AM
is it possible to upgrade an existing MiG 29(a later model than the "A" version) to the most sophisticated one,say MiG 35?

Don't see why not. They are fundamentally the same aircraft.
Of course a new build Mig will likely be of better quality with robot accurate welds and more modern materials than those built during the Soviet period. Performance wise that will make them lighter and stronger, but I don't think the practical difference would be enormous.

sepheronx
06-05-2009, 09:56 AM
I believe you need not to worry about six carriers entering service in near, or far, future:roll:. They should invest in making navy more flexible, able to react rapidly and decisively. New multipurpose oceanic vessels and refining marines groups should be sufficient for now. But IMO Russia should invest in space heavily making it a national priority...

I can see it. just not like super carriers, but like small aircraft carriers that would work with a group of ships.

metberkut
06-05-2009, 10:17 AM
Su-35-004 after failed takeoff:
http://photofile.name/users/sergxon/96063153/107599307/#mainImageLink
(working link:oops:)


I posted it on page 1271. p-)

Hyde
06-05-2009, 10:32 AM
What's the difference between T-80U and UK ?

sepheronx
06-05-2009, 10:36 AM
What's the difference between T-80U and UK ?

K is the command variant. Better electronics and navigation as well as communication.

MZKT
06-05-2009, 10:55 AM
What's the difference between T-80U and UK ?

Shtora, APU, additional radio, Ainet sesor fusing system, inertial navigation system, T-90s metereologic sensor. That's all.

blilov
06-05-2009, 11:35 AM
You can't upgrade MiG-29 to MiG-35 - the airframe is too different. The basic A model can be reconfigured in SMT version:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/mig-29smt.htm

Konst
06-05-2009, 12:34 PM
West-81 (http://visualrian.ru/images?text=Запад-81)

http://visualrian.ru/storage/PreviewWM/0534/73/053473.jpg?1106206860

http://visualrian.ru/storage/PreviewWM/0225/82/022582.jpg?1100007300

http://visualrian.ru/storage/PreviewWM/0225/79/022579.jpg?1224070878

http://visualrian.ru/storage/PreviewWM/0534/74/053474.jpg?1106206860

http://visualrian.ru/storage/PreviewWM/0577/18/057718.jpg?1106673360

http://visualrian.ru/storage/PreviewWM/0577/14/057714.jpg?1106673240

http://visualrian.ru/storage/PreviewWM/0226/03/022603.jpg?1100007960

http://visualrian.ru/storage/PreviewWM/0226/04/022604.jpg?1100007960

http://visualrian.ru/storage/PreviewWM/0226/09/022609.jpg?1100008200

http://visualrian.ru/storage/PreviewWM/0577/13/057713.jpg?1106673240

http://visualrian.ru/storage/PreviewWM/0579/20/057920.jpg?1106679540

http://visualrian.ru/storage/PreviewWM/0579/21/057921.jpg?1106679600

http://visualrian.ru/storage/PreviewWM/0534/72/053472.jpg?1106206740

http://visualrian.ru/storage/PreviewWM/0569/24/056924.jpg?1106643000

Mr.Woland
06-05-2009, 12:48 PM
west-81 (http://visualrian.ru/images?text=Запад-81)
http://visualrian.ru/storage/PreviewWM/0534/73/053473.jpg?1106206860
aybabtu !
- -

Hyde
06-05-2009, 12:53 PM
Anyone got the high-res of this massive build-up pic?

STEPAN1983
06-05-2009, 03:37 PM
This 60 rnd mag was rejected by forces, because this mag is unreliable

Fasatron
06-05-2009, 03:39 PM
more photos from omsk http://search.rg.ru/gall/2b098c0e

KMario
06-05-2009, 04:48 PM
Anyone got the high-res of this massive build-up pic?

i appriceate any of them!

How many tanks are there??

GazB
06-05-2009, 05:02 PM
You can't upgrade MiG-29 to MiG-35 - the airframe is too different. The basic A model can be reconfigured in SMT version:

In what way?

If a T-55 can be given a Black Eagle upgrade and look for all intents and purposes like a tank of the generation of the T-80/T-90 then why not with the Mig.
AFAIK the equipment on the Mig-35 would fit into a Mig-29 after you rip out all of the Mig-29s stuff. It might just be cheaper to buy new build Mig-35s and sell off existing Mig-29s for parts to another existing user, but pretty much everything fitted to the Mig-35 should fit on a Mig-29 IMHO.
As I said the Mig-35 would probably be built to a much higher standard of quality and be made of much more modern materials, but I don't think the difference would be enormous and the improvement in performance from basic to mig-35 minus 1 would still be significant.
I would expect the Mig-35 was based on the lighter Mig-29M airframe.
It is certainly not a whole new aircraft that is not really compatible with older models like the Super Hornet.

blilov
06-05-2009, 05:24 PM
It is actually, as I said the airframe itself is very different. Yes, you can put the electronics from the 35, but it is easier to build new 35's than to upgrade the old 29's to the new standart. It is exactly like the Super Hornet

K-5
06-05-2009, 06:02 PM
Shtora, APU, additional radio, Ainet sesor fusing system, inertial navigation system, T-90s metereologic sensor. That's all.
Actually, it's not T-90's per sae, 1G45T first appeared on late 1991 production of T-80UD, Sertlovo based tank battalion had them for a while until no replacement parts were left. Modern T-80UK and T-80UM are practically identical with the exception of extra radio and navigation equipment.
I think either one can also have Arena system, but I'm not sure whether UK production featured this built-in upgrade capability on every tank assembled or not.
Screencap of Arena tests in 2002:
T-80U(M or E?) CO station with Arena managment display to the right of the crewman
http://armor.kiev.ua/ptur/azt/TN_Image6435%5B1%5D.JPG
System managment screen "No failures detected"
http://armor.kiev.ua/ptur/azt/TN_Image6423%5B1%5D.JPG
Inputs and control
http://armor.kiev.ua/ptur/azt/TN_Image6421%5B1%5D.JPG
"Operate manually, Replace USO? module according to the operations manual"
http://armor.kiev.ua/ptur/azt/TN_Image6419%5B1%5D.JPG
"Protection off, Close the hatch"
http://armor.kiev.ua/ptur/azt/TN_Image6414%5B1%5D.JPG
Relative sizing of Arena's projected blast module
http://armor.kiev.ua/ptur/azt/TN_Image6391%5B1%5D.JPG

void
06-05-2009, 06:19 PM
In what way?

If a T-55 can be given a Black Eagle upgrade and look for all intents and purposes like a tank of the generation of the T-80/T-90 then why not with the Mig.
AFAIK the equipment on the Mig-35 would fit into a Mig-29 after you rip out all of the Mig-29s stuff. It might just be cheaper to buy new build Mig-35s and sell off existing Mig-29s for parts to another existing user, but pretty much everything fitted to the Mig-35 should fit on a Mig-29 IMHO.
As I said the Mig-35 would probably be built to a much higher standard of quality and be made of much more modern materials, but I don't think the difference would be enormous and the improvement in performance from basic to mig-35 minus 1 would still be significant.
I would expect the Mig-35 was based on the lighter Mig-29M airframe.
It is certainly not a whole new aircraft that is not really compatible with older models like the Super Hornet.

Mig-29M can be upgraded to Mig-35, but not the standard Mig-29. The Mig-29M airframe, on which the Mig-35 is based, is a bit larger than the standard airframe. You might be able to do a sort of an upgrade on the standard model, but I'm not sure if everything would fit, at least it wouldnt have the same sort of fuel load as a Mig-35.

I think the Mig-29M is 2 metres longer than the standard airframe.

blilov
06-05-2009, 06:28 PM
Yeah, because MiG-35 is based on MiG-29M, which is very different from the A model. There are some things that can be done - you can put the M wing(with 8 hardpoints, instead of 6 on the 9-12) for example, but most of it can't be put on the early MiG's

GazB
06-05-2009, 07:03 PM
You might be able to do a sort of an upgrade on the standard model, but I'm not sure if everything would fit, at least it wouldnt have the same sort of fuel load as a Mig-35.

For extra fuel you could always bolt on the SMT spine fuel tanks.
I really don't think the Mig-35 is a clean sheet of paper aircraft. I think things like the Mil Std databus from the SMT would have been carried across even if it was updated slightly on the way.


Relative sizing of Arena's projected blast module

With such small modules I always wondered why they didn't have several rows of these munitions around the turret of the tank. Layering them 3-4 deep would give some redundancy incase some are damaged in combat and would also allow a longer period before they would need to be reloaded. each row could have a slightly different elevation and the inner row or two could even be pointed upwards to hit diving top attack munitions.

TR1
06-05-2009, 07:05 PM
Actually, it's not T-90's per sae, 1G45T first appeared on late 1991 production of T-80UD, Sertlovo based tank battalion had them for a while until no replacement parts were left. Modern T-80UK and T-80UM are practically identical with the exception of extra radio and navigation equipment.
I think either one can also have Arena system, but I'm not sure whether UK production featured this built-in upgrade capability on every tank assembled or not.
Screencap of Arena tests in 2002:
T-80U(M or E?) CO station with Arena managment display to the right of the crewman
http://armor.kiev.ua/ptur/azt/TN_Image6435%5B1%5D.JPG
System managment screen "No failures detected"

Inputs and control

"Operate manually, Replace USO? module according to the operations manual"

"Protection off, Close the hatch"

Relative sizing of Arena's projected blast module


Nice info, anything on that other screen in front of the crewmember?
And is this interior the same as on the couple of hundred T-80Us left in service?

oh and is UD even around anymore in Russia, I thought only a few dozen remained.

MZKT
06-05-2009, 08:29 PM
UD are still within training units until they run out of spare parts completely.

Revive
06-06-2009, 12:46 AM
For extra fuel you could always bolt on the SMT spine fuel tanks.
I really don't think the Mig-35 is a clean sheet of paper aircraft. I think things like the Mil Std databus from the SMT would have been carried across even if it was updated slightly on the way.



With such small modules I always wondered why they didn't have several rows of these munitions around the turret of the tank. Layering them 3-4 deep would give some redundancy incase some are damaged in combat and would also allow a longer period before they would need to be reloaded. each row could have a slightly different elevation and the inner row or two could even be pointed upwards to hit diving top attack munitions.
coz they cannot sort out a way to eject the remainder of the surface layer. And a blocked blast might direct the blast flux to flow in between the surface and inner layer and trigger a false chain reaction thought out the whole armor complex

TORA
06-06-2009, 04:25 AM
http://visualrian.ru/storage/PreviewWM/0577/14/057714.jpg?1106673240

The guy in the middle is Raul Castro, the current president of Cuba.
He was probably dispatched as head of the Cuban military attache during the Zapad 1981 maneuvers.

bcax
06-06-2009, 08:19 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTpuGEfv2DI

ZSU 57-2

Fasatron
06-06-2009, 09:04 AM
many photos from russian mrap SPM-3, btr-90 und co
http://voenavto.almanacwhf.ru/index.php?option=com_datsogallery&Itemid=2

and here are the other photos of the exhibition in Omsk http://foto.news.mail.ru/politics/148/918/

anyone know buy russia btr-90 with beregok or not ?

Gawel1410
06-06-2009, 12:10 PM
ZSU 57-2

Nice video.:)

TheArmenian
06-06-2009, 01:25 PM
DOZOR UAV|

http://www.vesti.ru/videos?vid=221013&p=1&sort=1&cid=7

TheArmenian
06-06-2009, 03:11 PM
http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/3707/2217879.jpg

rofl

toranaga
06-06-2009, 03:26 PM
http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/3707/2217879.jpg

rofl
what's this ... T-80u?

TR1
06-06-2009, 03:26 PM
T-90.
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.
.
.
.
.

GDS
06-06-2009, 03:37 PM
what's this ... T-80u?
PAK-FA, naval version

Zhur
06-06-2009, 03:54 PM
West-81 (http://visualrian.ru/images?text=Запад-81)

http://visualrian.ru/storage/PreviewWM/0534/73/053473.jpg?1106206860

http://visualrian.ru/storage/PreviewWM/0534/72/053472.jpg?1106206740

http://visualrian.ru/storage/PreviewWM/0569/24/056924.jpg?1106643000

That was the top of USSR might.

Why didn't they attack? :-(

panzzer
06-06-2009, 06:02 PM
http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/3707/2217879.jpg

rofl
Armored Assault Carier Based Craft, a hook nice touch........
p-)

dzhaga-dzhaga
06-06-2009, 06:31 PM
Very eager to see your reportwoot Any static displayed T-80U's this year?

that was just a smaaalll part. there was T-80U static display, but the manufacturer presented it as UK modifiaton

http://i43.*******.com/2qmot4k.jpg

metberkut
06-06-2009, 06:39 PM
That was the top of USSR might.

Why didn't they attack? :-(

Attack what?

K-5
06-06-2009, 07:24 PM
Attack what?
The high school in the middle of Colorado, aided with Nicaraguans and suchp-)

TR1
06-06-2009, 07:27 PM
Steregushy, photos taken today.
http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/4066/dsc02686z.jpg
http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/3262/dsc02829y.jpg

Gabriel
06-06-2009, 09:01 PM
Steregushy, photos taken today.
http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/4066/dsc02686z.jpg
http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/3262/dsc02829y.jpg


What is the name of that ship?

TR1
06-06-2009, 09:13 PM
Steregushyy.

HangPC2
06-06-2009, 09:31 PM
RFS Stereguschy (FFG 530)

planeman
06-06-2009, 10:40 PM
The high school in the middle of Colorado, aided with Nicaraguans and suchp-)I thought it was Cubans.
http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/5152/reddawn02.png

cmsuvulcan
06-07-2009, 12:54 AM
The high school in the middle of Colorado, aided with Nicaraguans and suchp-)

well come on that one's obvious. I mean Patrick Swayze' hair do could kill from 1000 yards away and keep in mind that they could have called in Chuck Norris. Seriously though, I think the reason the Warsaw Treaty Organization forces never went on the offensive is because even though, depending on who you listen to, the Russians had plans to launch a mass offensive across the north European plain that may or may not have involved first strike nuclear weapons they knew that this would probably result in apocalyptic scale destruction of Russian cities and towns and it would look just downright awful, as far as PR goes, to launch an aggressive war.

This coincidently is why Reagan never carried through on his threat -at least on a turned off microphone- to nuke the Soviet Union. I think the balance of power were fairly equal and the colossal bloodshed that would ensue in a war involving the forces in Europe would have been so unimaginable that neither side wanted to risk it. I mean sure, the forces were there to do the job, but when it came to **** measuring and sabre rattling both East and West (especially USSR and USA) knew it would be best to fight wars by proxy in the third world. So the Soviets went to Afghanistan and we gave guerillas there small arms, money, and intell. We went to Viet-Nam and the Russians gave them weapons, intell, and money. You saw this all across Sub Saharan Africa and Central America as well. Wars here could still be bloody, but not enough blood could be spilled to justify one side nuking another. I mean I could not imagine Reagan nuking Russia over Afghanistan and I could not imagine Brezhnev nuking the United States over its involvement in say Vietnam.

K-5
06-07-2009, 02:50 AM
Nice info, anything on that other screen in front of the crewmember?
And is this interior the same as on the couple of hundred T-80Us left in service?

oh and is UD even around anymore in Russia, I thought only a few dozen remained.
It's a display commonly found in Cyprus T-80UK. I highly doubt that every T-80U left in service in Russian army, but last year's photographs of Ivanov's visit to Omsk showed some T-80U turrets inside a facility. Given that Omsk has not made a new T-80 since 90's that lives room for either overhaul or upgrade options. Whether they were intended for domestic use or export deal is unknown.

that was just a smaaalll part. there was T-80U static display, but the manufacturer presented it as UK modifiaton

Thanks. Too bad, the most interesting thing(s) is covered by main gun barrel.

That thing should look very organic when next to a wheeled locomotive engine:
http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/1/1/9/1520911.jpg

Dimas
06-07-2009, 05:49 AM
From otvaga2004.narod.ru

The defence of Daghestan
http://otvaga2004.narod.ru/publ_w5/dag02.jpg


http://otvaga2004.narod.ru/publ_w5/dag01.jpg

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http://otvaga2004.narod.ru/publ_w5/dag11.jpg

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Volhv
06-07-2009, 06:06 AM
That was the top of USSR might.

Why didn't they attack? :-(

How you imagine a attack on a nation with nuclear weapons? :)

The USSR had very strong conventional military directly after the war - with about 5 million men in the Red Army and a lot of arms in production and in service.
http://www.communisme-bolchevisme.net/images/war_soviet_IS3_122_sept_1945_berlin.jpg
IS-3 parade in Berlin. 1945
http://www.communisme-bolchevisme.net/images/war_soviet_ISU_152_polska_1945.jpg
SU-152 in liberated Poland
http://www.communisme-bolchevisme.net/images/war_soviet_IS2%20122_1944.jpg
IS -2 break from the push

It is fact that Nazi germany was supported by the whole europe with embattled Hitlers divisions from France, Netherlands, Belgium, Italy, Finnland, Rumania, Poland, Baltic States ...
http://www.wwiivehicles.com/finland/foreign/t-34.jpg
Finn T-34 at the east front.

A lot of european people went volontary to fight in the UdSSR for Hitlers Reich. Even in the occupied Soviet republics were a lot of volonteers to fight the Red Army.
Millions of soviet people were taken by force to work for the Nazi Germany.
http://www.ukemonde.com/putin/putin-father-in-vlasov-army-b.jpg
Cossack officers with Germans - examinating map at the Warshaw uprising

http://www.lg-c.dk/lennardgrahn/uploaded_images/nugiseks-729374.jpg
Harald Nugiseks, Estonian WW II veteran

All german occupied states had to produce arms and supply the 3rd Reich with ressources.
Even the "free" switzerland had to produce and deliver arms, ammunition, cars and even planes, tanks.

The US and UK supported the UdSSR with weapons, planes, food and machines in big amouns - but the fact remains that the soviet people had to fight from 22. June 1941 till the Normandy landing 6. Juli 1944 alone against the 3rd Reich with whole europe behind - and were sucsessful. Before the allied landing the whole Ukraine was liberated. Most of 3rd Reich armies were defeated or reteating.

After the victory over the "German Reich" the Red Army had the strongest forces at the european continent. Experienced, combat proven and well equiped.

Marx - Lenin ideas dictated a "liberation war" for sake of worlds proletariat. Communists had very strong support in the whole europe. After the second world war a lot of people from all continents belived that it was the capitalistic system that caused this catastrophe.
Nazi germany was a capitalistic state at first place. Big business earned a lot of money with slaves and war. It were the german manufacturers who dictated Hitler when he is going to get the new tanks - and how many. Most of german companies from the 3rd Reich exist till now.

The USA with Truman saw the communism uprising coming. The USSR was weak in economics - and so the Marshall plan got started. Truman gave the europeans money and ressourses to build up - ressourses that Stalin lacked. Substandard got over ideologies, until now. Even now 20 years after reunion west germans make fun of the east germans and laugh about the poor fellas.

With nuclear weapons in US control no soviet europe liberation offencives were possible. The war in Korea was a big repitition of the war in europe. A communistic libertation war. Mc Arthur wanted to use nukes - but there was the fear the red empire would use them as well. And that the war could escolate. In the european theatre.

Only 1949 Stalin got his first nuclear weapons.
The US reacted and the nuclear doctrine was changed.
NATO planned to stop the advancing soviet forces with nuclear weapons - on the west german teritory.
http://www.allamericanpatriots.com/files/images/2008-04-nuclear-blast.jpg
There is no chace to advance through hundreds of nuclear explosions. The troops and the surrounding area are doomed. Numbers don't really matter in the nuclear fires. A whole devision can be wiped out with a couple of blasts. And there is no strategic retalitation needed - the advancing enemy will "first" use nukes to support their offence.
http://i.ehow.com/images/GlobalPhoto/Articles/4562880/nuclearfireball_Full.jpg

After the fall of the USSR the situation has changed. NATO dominates now with numbers and weapons to the borders of Russia. There is also a big "West" influense of politics in the former soviet block countries.

But until Russia has nuclear weapons - and the NATO no effective and 100% missle defence - there is no chance that the NATO or someone else can win a direct war against Russia. We all can only loose.

Timmy!
06-07-2009, 07:01 AM
http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/3707/2217879.jpg

rofl

http://www.youtube.com/v/akNmqkEPoV0

Hazzard
06-07-2009, 07:23 AM
There is no chace to advance through hundreds of nuclear explosions. The troops and the surrounding area are doomed. Numbers don't really matter in the nuclear fires. A whole devision can be wiped out with a couple of blasts.


In fact, there were not so many nukes at USA disposal (12), and their power was lower than good artillery barrage. There is a thing as "admissible losses". The radius of a zone of continuous destructions at explosion of a bomb, comparable with dumped to Hiroshima, makes approximately half-kilometre. The zone of continuous destructions is followed by a zone of heavy destructions – about 1 km. For an advancing army consequences ould be the same as from very strong conventional bombing-artillery barrage. The penetrating radiation of the bomb similar dumped to Hiroshima, is pernicious on distance some hundreds metres from explosion epicentre. The people who have received a deadly dose, die not at once, and can function within two weeks. It makes sense to recollect that in nuclear attacks to Japan only 1200 persons have died as a result of an irradiation, but 100.000 were lost as a result of a shock wave, fires and burns. Nukes of that time used against advancing armies just do not pay for itself.

vad_tfk
06-07-2009, 09:42 AM
http://www.youtube.com/v/akNmqkEPoV0
that's was the fighter or the attack aircraft? A-10 - must be careful p-)

sepheronx
06-07-2009, 10:22 AM
Guide the Omsk manufacturing association named Radioworks Popova "conducted negotiations with representatives of government and administration of the President of the Republic of Belarus on joint Russian-Belarusian manufacturing mobile node based on the rapid deployment of a car" Vepr.
Как сообщает газета "Вечерний Минск", эту информацию обнародовал министр обороны РФ Павел Грачев на проходившей в Минске международной выставке вооружений и военной техники MILEX.
According to the newspaper "Evening Minsk," it announced, Defense Minister Pavel Grachev of Russia held in Minsk international exhibition of armaments and military equipment MILEX.
Комплекс "Вепрь" производится на омском радиозаводе, он обеспечивает мобильное развертывание радиорелейных, проводных и спутниковых систем цифровой связи в заданной точке местности.
Complex Vepr "produced at the Omsk Radioworks, it ensures the deployment of mobile radio, wireline and satellite systems, digital communications in a given location area.
В частности, аппаратура комплекса обеспечивает доступ к всемирной сети "интернет" через спутник, позволяет организовать беспроводной доступ к удаленному пользователю, ретранслировать поток данных по оптической линии со скоростью 155 Мбит/с.
In particular, the equipment set provides access to the Internet World Wide Web via satellite, enables wireless access to the remote user to retransmit the data stream to the optical lines at speeds of 155 Mbps.
Комплекс располагается на базе автомобилей, оснащенных двигателями Минского моторного завода.
The complex is located at the base of vehicles equipped with engines of the Minsk Motor Plant.
"Минчане действительно выпускают прекрасные, надежные дизельные двигатели. Пока это единственный пример участия белорусов в производстве мобильных узлов связи. Но, подчеркну, именно пока. Колесная, кузовная база, например, тоже может быть минской. Вы поставляете машины — мы делаем «начинку». Об этом шел, в частности, разговор во время встреч руководства нашего завода с представителями белорусского правительства и Администрации Президента. По крайней мере, в Омске были бы только рады такой кооперации. Еще одно перспективное направление сотрудничества — совместные научные разработки. В Беларуси очень сильная научная школа. А мы умеем быстро и эффективно внедрять новые идеи в производство", - отметил на выставке Павел Грачев.
"Minsk dwellers actually produce good, reliable diesel engines. This is the only example of the participation of Belarus in the production of mobile nodes. But, I stress, it is yet. Wheelset, body base, for example, can also be Minsk. You supply the machine - we do« filling » . This was, inter alia, a conversation during a meeting of the leadership of our plant with the Belarusian government and the Presidential Administration. At least, in Omsk, would be just a happy co-operation. Another promising area of cooperation - joint research and development. In Belarus, a very strong Scientific School. And we know how quickly and effectively introduce new ideas into production ", - said at the Pavel Grachev.

"РИА ОмскПресс"
RIA OmskPress "

4 июня 2009 года
4 Jun, 2009
Here is the original (yeah, poor translation. Thanks google)





Руководство Омского производственного объединения "Радиозавод имени Попова" провело переговоры с представителями правительства и администрации президента республики Белоруссия о совместном российско-белорусском производстве мобильного узла связи быстрого развертывания на базе автомобиля "Вепрь".
Как сообщает газета "Вечерний Минск", эту информацию обнародовал министр обороны РФ Павел Грачев на проходившей в Минске международной выставке вооружений и военной техники MILEX. Комплекс "Вепрь" производится на омском радиозаводе, он обеспечивает мобильное развертывание радиорелейных, проводных и спутниковых систем цифровой связи в заданной точке местности. В частности, аппаратура комплекса обеспечивает доступ к всемирной сети "интернет" через спутник, позволяет организовать беспроводной доступ к удаленному пользователю, ретранслировать поток данных по оптической линии со скоростью 155 Мбит/с. Комплекс располагается на базе автомобилей, оснащенных двигателями Минского моторного завода. "Минчане действительно выпускают прекрасные, надежные дизельные двигатели. Пока это единственный пример участия белорусов в производстве мобильных узлов связи. Но, подчеркну, именно пока. Колесная, кузовная база, например, тоже может быть минской. Вы поставляете машины — мы делаем «начинку». Об этом шел, в частности, разговор во время встреч руководства нашего завода с представителями белорусского правительства и Администрации Президента. По крайней мере, в Омске были бы только рады такой кооперации. Еще одно перспективное направление сотрудничества — совместные научные разработки. В Беларуси очень сильная научная школа. А мы умеем быстро и эффективно внедрять новые идеи в производство", - отметил на выставке Павел Грачев.
"РИА ОмскПресс"
4 июня 2009 года
Info about it can be found here: link (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=ru&ie=UTF8&langpair=ru%7Cen&u=http://www.arms-expo.ru/site.xp/049053053051124057054056.html)


http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/4945/64456517d883ad2.th.jpg (http://img195.imageshack.us/my.php?image=64456517d883ad2.jpg)
http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/8482/057053053052048.jpg (http://img189.imageshack.us/my.php?image=057053053052048.jpg)
http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/9083/057053053052054.jpg (http://img191.imageshack.us/my.php?image=057053053052054.jpg)
http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/3453/057053053052052.jpg (http://img195.imageshack.us/my.php?image=057053053052052.jpg)

Nuclear_Warrior
06-07-2009, 11:28 AM
http://www.youtube.com/v/akNmqkEPoV0

That sure is a Raptor killer.

xav
06-07-2009, 11:46 AM
3 new Su 30 MKA ( serials 247 ,248 ,249 ) LII Gromov Zhukovsky

http://i63.servimg.com/u/f63/11/13/93/87/15339713.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=154&u=11139387)

http://i63.servimg.com/u/f63/11/13/93/87/15329012.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=156&u=11139387)

Wiedzmin
06-07-2009, 01:51 PM
http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/1126/903.jpg

T-90M roflroflroflroflrofl

daduda
06-07-2009, 02:10 PM
Кто подскажет как фотографии загружать????

daduda
06-07-2009, 02:20 PM
p-) -vityaz!!!!!!!!!!!

GDS
06-07-2009, 02:48 PM
Кто подскажет как фотографии загружать????
http://imageshack.us/
http://www.radikal.ru/

http://s39.radikal.ru/i085/0906/0a/8b37135b922e.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)http://s58.radikal.ru/i159/0906/cb/2b30f9af1616.jpghttp://s48.radikal.ru/i119/0906/67/6e1d0bf0c538.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)

panzzer
06-07-2009, 02:56 PM
http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/1126/903.jpg

T-90M roflroflroflroflrofl
WTF russian op-force??

TheArmenian
06-07-2009, 03:20 PM
Intresting phot of Su-27 with the wing tip ECM pods.

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/5850/74104032.png

Wiedzmin
06-07-2009, 03:22 PM
WTF russian op-force??

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/4493/p1160220.jpg

just some "historical" reconstruction :)

Bro Jangles
06-07-2009, 03:34 PM
WTF russian op-force??
kinda looks like a Leopard.

daduda
06-07-2009, 04:23 PM
http://s40.radikal.ru/i088/0906/6c/37e85c69ce4et.jpg (http://radikal.ru/F/s40.radikal.ru/i088/0906/6c/37e85c69ce4e.jpg.html)

K-5
06-07-2009, 04:23 PM
kinda looks like a Leopard.
I assume that it is supposed to be Tiger I, with 125mm 2A46M-5 as main KwK36:roll:

daduda
06-07-2009, 04:24 PM
http://s40.radikal.ru/i088/0906/6c/37e85c69ce4e.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)

Ulytau
06-07-2009, 04:28 PM
^^

Info please Beslan or ? :(

zg18
06-07-2009, 04:32 PM
^^

Info please Beslan or ? :(

Nalchik raid.

daduda
06-07-2009, 04:34 PM
^^

info please beslan or ? :(
nalchik !!!!

daduda
06-07-2009, 04:37 PM
http://i067.radikal.ru/0906/6b/150613e6a811.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)

daduda
06-07-2009, 04:40 PM
http://i025.radikal.ru/0906/ca/19e5639bfe6a.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)

Wiedzmin
06-07-2009, 04:42 PM
what for you reposting this photo ?

sardukar
06-07-2009, 04:54 PM
what happened there?

JohnnyWalker
06-07-2009, 05:16 PM
GM-94, btw very old photos

actually they are not old, but anyways...attack in Nalchik happend in October 2005



Anywho...

Can someone help me out here. Is this photo advertisement for a product of clothing or equipment, or an actual real Photo?

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/8878/pic069223199.jpg

JohnnyWalker
06-07-2009, 05:17 PM
what happened there?

Serious? Okay well google it, look here for some idea

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_2005_Nalchik_attack

sardukar
06-07-2009, 05:24 PM
Serious? Okay well google it, look here for some idea

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_2005_Nalchik_attack

yeah sorry
for some reason I don't recall hearing about that one!

JohnnyWalker
06-07-2009, 05:32 PM
yeah sorry
for some reason I don't recall hearing about that one!

no worries, it's just weird to me that someone didn't hear about it. But then again I don't think everyone has Russian news, and watches 30 documentaries every week

sardukar
06-07-2009, 05:54 PM
no worries, it's just weird to me that someone didn't hear about it. But then again I don't think everyone has Russian news, and watches 30 documentaries every week
thing is I always keep an eye out for that sort of news
no idea what i was doing that time!

void
06-07-2009, 10:32 PM
is that a tiger turret on a T-72 chassis?

No, its just a couple of panels (possibly even wood) over a most likely T-72B 1989 turret.

Nuclear_Warrior
06-07-2009, 10:45 PM
Intresting phot of Su-27 with the wing tip ECM pods.

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/5850/74104032.png

I believe the Venezuelan SU-30s also have them.

planeman
06-07-2009, 11:01 PM
For the AK-74, what as a rule of thumb is the effective accurate firing range using iron sights? Presume generally open ground and firing from a trench.


Same question for AK-47/AKM and RPK?

K-5
06-07-2009, 11:03 PM
No, its just a couple of panels (possibly even wood) over a most likely T-72B 1989 turret.
Over T-90A:)

Douros81
06-08-2009, 01:26 AM
http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/5152/reddawn02.png

I forgot about that part of the movie.

RomanS
06-08-2009, 01:28 AM
For the AK-74, what as a rule of thumb is the effective accurate firing range using iron sights? Presume generally open ground and firing from a trench.


Same question for AK-47/AKM and RPK?

95% of engagements and firefights would be between 10 meters and 300 meters in the Soviet/Russian history.

Im talking about THE MAJORITY of the combat since the Afghanistan, Chechnya days.

Iron sights worked just fine for most of the guys behind the weapons (AKMs, AK-74s, SVDs, RPKs, PKMs) in the past 30 years or so.

The effective range is ... your eye and discipline on how you handle your weapon.

void
06-08-2009, 02:02 AM
Over T-90A:)

How can you tell? What is the visible difference between the T-90 chassis and T-72B 1989? Both have Kontact-5 inbuild armour in the glacis, so how can you tell?

K-5
06-08-2009, 03:28 AM
How can you tell? What is the visible difference between the T-90 chassis and T-72B 1989? Both have Kontact-5 inbuild armour in the glacis, so how can you tell?
No recognition manuals, eh? The first, and most obvious in this case (turret is hidden) is presence of ZPU-7 derived CROWS at the CO' station. Second the Tucha smoke mortar bucket arrangement with 6 instead of 12 (all in one plane in T-72B) tubes. The turret of T-90A is plain different, but you cant see it there.

K-5
06-08-2009, 03:31 AM
Was poking around online, found this.

"Khalide Makagonova of the Soviet aerobatic team, 1984 absolute world champion and 1986 world champion, right, talks to Kasum Nazhmudinov, national team head trainer".
Nice nostalgic photo, especially for me.
Good photo. I don't like pics like these, they remind me of wild 90's when they canned Katcha academy right when I was being admitted, and the license made Sambas... beat Chinese made ones sold here by a mile.
Ah jeez, I double posted again:-(
Well then, short An-22 **** in the Latin America vid I just uploaded, let's see how long it stays there.
http://video.mail.ru/mail/reiter96/1/235.html

Yeah, evil T-90's in german Tiger tanks skin :)

Very simple, and the chassis is definately T-90. If you see only chassis, then you need to look for the drivers periscope area. That area on t-90 are protected by ERA, while T-72BM has no ERA near drivers periscope(to the sides).
Actually T-90A or S don't have ERA around driver's periscope either. That's kind of one of the reasons why some people are so critical of UVZ's solutions around here.

_GDS_
06-08-2009, 03:33 AM
just some "historical" reconstruction :-)
Yeah, evil T-90's in german Tiger tanks skin :)

How can you tell? What is the visible difference between the T-90 chassis and T-72B 1989? Both have Kontact-5 inbuild armour in the glacis, so how can you tell?
Very simple, and the chassis is definately T-90. If you see only chassis, then you need to look for the drivers periscope area. That area on t-90 are protected by ERA, while T-72BM has no ERA near drivers periscope(to the sides).

TR1
06-08-2009, 03:36 AM
Good photo. I don't like pics like these, they remind me of wild 90's when they canned Katcha academy right when I was being admitted, and the licence made Sambas... beat chinese made ones sold here by a mile:-(
btw, the man on the left is a relative of someone around herep-)

Thankfully for our aerobatic team Su-26 was such a success, because since then there has not been no wind or tale about any replacement. Su-29, 31s are going abroad, but for home -zilch-.

btw the airfield they used to train in Moscow, at Tushino, was closed because high rise buildings were built illegally close, so it was no longer safe for planes to land. yay for ultra-capitalism.

KoTeMoRe
06-08-2009, 03:40 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPo0oAY_fRs

hope no repost...

Flankerman
06-08-2009, 04:48 AM
I believe the Venezuelan SU-30s also have them.

They are 'Sorbtsya' ECM pods - and can be fitted to any Flanker in place of the wingtip missile rails....

http://www.flankers-site.co.uk/moscow_2007_files/day03_037.jpg

http://www.flankers-site.co.uk/moscow_2007_files/day03_038.jpg

Ken

Flankerman
06-08-2009, 04:51 AM
is that a tiger turret on a T-72 chassis?

It looks like a film set - the soldiers are wearing German uniforms - and there are a couple of 'cardboard' Tigers in the background....

Ken

GazB
06-08-2009, 05:17 AM
For the AK-74, what as a rule of thumb is the effective accurate firing range using iron sights? Presume generally open ground and firing from a trench.

Same question for AK-47/AKM and RPK?

The AKM, which is what I have has a battle setting for the iron sight that is the equivelent to 300m. With the iron sights zeroed properly and upright man target aimed at the centre of the chest the rounds should hit centre of the chest at 300m. At half that range the bullets would hit above the chest with the centre of the chest still the aim point but not go above the targets head.
The result is that out to about 350m with a centre chest hold you should hit the target in a vital area assuming the target is at the range you think they are. For a better shot you might look at the target and guage if they seem significantly closer or significantly further away than 300m and you can adjust your aim accordingly but as most shots are taken at less than 200m it really isnt an issue. The purpose of the battlesight setting is that it should be good enough regarding the trajectory of the round to get a hit over all normal combat ranges.
I personally don't use that battle setting because the targets I shoot are rather smaller than a standing man. I set the sights to 100m for goat sized targets and will not fire at a target more than 150m or so away or further.
Also worth bearing in mind that Soviet and Russian troops are trained to fire in burst mode most of the time. Firing single shots I would say a 7.62 x 39mm rifle would be a danger out to about 300m-350m. The flatter shooting 5.45mm round probably adds 100m to that effective range, so 400-450m. The LMG versions with bipods are both probably effective out to about 600m or so against group targets of course with burst fire.

metberkut
06-08-2009, 06:24 AM
I believe the Venezuelan SU-30s also have them.

I have never seen them with it. The only Su-30 model i have seen with the pod is MKK (china).

Nuclear_Warrior
06-08-2009, 08:48 AM
I have never seen them with it. The only Su-30 model i have seen with the pod is MKK (china).

Here you go
http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/3166/subv.jpg

103
06-08-2009, 09:42 AM
btr-80 kpvt?
Yes, I think the BTR-80 was supporting the attacking group and later they took the injured man inside it. I hope he made it OK.

panzzer
06-08-2009, 09:59 AM
Here you go
http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/3166/subv.jpg
Asimetric hardpoints configuration why??????

mannelig
06-08-2009, 10:14 AM
Yes, I think the BTR-80 was supporting the attacking group and later they took the injured man inside it. I hope he made it OK.

As I remember there was BTR-80A with 23 mm gun.

KoTeMoRe
06-08-2009, 10:36 AM
As I remember there was BTR-80A with 23 mm gun.


30 mike mike...2A72...

metberkut
06-08-2009, 11:37 AM
Here you go
*picture*


Aha. Thanks. Looked through 25 pictures i have of Venezuelan Su-30's, didnt find one single with the pods.

daduda
06-08-2009, 11:54 AM
http://s54.radikal.ru/i143/0906/51/1e1fbef0e91a.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)

daduda
06-08-2009, 11:55 AM
http://i081.radikal.ru/0906/e1/a40ac077b6c8.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)

daduda
06-08-2009, 11:57 AM
http://i007.radikal.ru/0906/ae/026fcb1fd02d.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)

daduda
06-08-2009, 12:02 PM
http://s58.radikal.ru/i159/0906/01/b84ad535f697.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)

mannelig
06-08-2009, 12:05 PM
30 mike mike...2A72...

:oops::oops::oops::oops::oops:

metberkut
06-08-2009, 12:06 PM
Daduda, post pictures in one post. No need a new post for each picture.

daduda
06-08-2009, 12:07 PM
http://s59.radikal.ru/i164/0906/c1/733291747c5b.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)

JohnnyWalker
06-08-2009, 12:12 PM
daduda is trying to raise his post count

KoTeMoRe
06-08-2009, 01:24 PM
:oops::oops::oops::oops::oops:


No worries, that gun is slick, and has a "smaller" muzzle brake contrarily to the omnipresent 2A42 present on the BMP2 and BTR90...

So you can easily misjudge the calibre.

JohnnyWalker
06-08-2009, 02:00 PM
okay than... thanks for answerring me question.

KoTeMoRe
06-08-2009, 02:08 PM
2A42: http://www.kbptula.ru/eng/str/cannons/images/2a42.jpg

2A72: http://www.army-guide.com/images/2a72.jpg

But my favourite is the 2A38...

http://www.kbptula.ru/eng/str/cannons/images/2a38m.jpg

TR1
06-08-2009, 04:04 PM
No worries, that gun is slick, and has a "smaller" muzzle brake contrarily to the omnipresent 2A42 present on the BMP2 and BTR90...

So you can easily misjudge the calibre.
When it shoots it seems to go all over the place too, unlike 2a42, which while heavy is a damn good auto cannon.

K-5
06-08-2009, 04:17 PM
When it shoots it seems to go all over the place too, unlike 2a42, which while heavy is a damn good auto cannon.
Yeah, dynamic parallax of the 2A72 is out of control, those dampening weights on the barrel are sufficient for single fire or short burst only, it seems. 2A42 would be better, but BTR-80/70 are not exactly right basis for it since they don't have enough structural and weight limits to withstand more sophisticated recoil mechanism.
BTR-90 on the other hand is much more rigid and able to carry even heavier puncher.

sardukar
06-08-2009, 04:52 PM
This pic made my day:)
http://otvaga2004.narod.ru/publ_w5/015_tigers.htm
http://otvaga2004.narod.ru/publ_w5/tiger-4_01.jpg
awesome picture
whats the vehicle's brand?

ATLAS10
06-08-2009, 04:57 PM
awesome picture
whats the vehicle's brand?

who cares about the vehicle:)

TR1
06-08-2009, 04:58 PM
Damn women, i REALLY needed to see the detail on the right headlight. :(

K-5
06-08-2009, 05:06 PM
Damn women, i REALLY needed to see the detail on the right headlight. :(It's all part of the plan
Don't let high heels fool you, they are Belarus KGB field operativesp-)

TR1
06-08-2009, 05:13 PM
Bastards, I guess Tiger right (from our perspective) headlight is like Topol-M left side, can't be seen for DELTA reasons.

Siempre_Leal
06-08-2009, 05:14 PM
ill do them both.....

Fasatron
06-08-2009, 05:25 PM
check thishttp://i051.radikal.ru/0906/6e/a761488f3226.jpg

more http://voenavto.almanacwhf.ru/index.php?option=com_datsogallery&Itemid=2&func=viewcategory&catid=10

Danielotu
06-08-2009, 06:13 PM
This pic made my day:)
http://otvaga2004.narod.ru/publ_w5/015_tigers.htm
http://otvaga2004.narod.ru/publ_w5/tiger-4_01.jpg

Does the car come with those two lovely ladies, cos i want one now :) ?

Mormaeglin
06-08-2009, 06:21 PM
This pic made my day:)
http://otvaga2004.narod.ru/publ_w5/015_tigers.htm
http://otvaga2004.narod.ru/publ_w5/tiger-4_01.jpg

Yay! ,P

123456

cmsuvulcan
06-08-2009, 06:25 PM
Does the car come with those two lovely ladies, cos i want one now :) ?
There's no car in that picture.

Molodets
06-08-2009, 06:36 PM
I remember hearing that the right side of mobile Topol-M is classified, and could only be shown from certain angle.
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/6379/topolnr30is.jpg
LOL I wish I can look at her from all the angles.

A few photos of the other side have been published.

K-5
06-08-2009, 06:52 PM
A few photos of the other side have been published.
There is a Topol TEL and several support vehicles on the outdoor exhibit at St. Petersburg Artillery Museum, but they don't allow public in beyond the iron gates anymore, only special excursions... Me wonders why show them in the first place:bash:

Zmey
06-08-2009, 08:52 PM
There is a Topol TEL and several support vehicles on the outdoor exhibit at St. Petersburg Artillery Museum, but they don't allow public in beyond the iron gates anymore, only special excursions... Me wonders why show them in the first place:bash:

They closed the outdoor exhibit in the Arty museum? Permanently, or just for renovations?

K-5
06-08-2009, 08:56 PM
They closed the outdoor exhibit in the Arty museum? Permanently, or just for renovations?
I meant to say the strategic forces portion, red brick gallery with tanks and arty is still free to visit.

Kutuzov
06-08-2009, 09:16 PM
There is a Topol TEL and several support vehicles on the outdoor exhibit at St. Petersburg Artillery Museum, but they don't allow public in beyond the iron gates anymore, only special excursions... Me wonders why show them in the first place:bash:

Alot of our hardware is sold under the table to the states and china by ukraine anyways .:|

sepheronx
06-08-2009, 09:32 PM
Alot of our hardware is sold under the table to the states and china by ukraine anyways .:|

Most of that old hardware is well........old and being replaced anyway by Russia. I doubt Topol and other weapon systems were sold to US or China

TR1
06-08-2009, 09:35 PM
Most of that old hardware is well........old and being replaced anyway by Russia. I doubt Topol and other weapon systems were sold to US or China
Replaced at a slooooooow rate. So while the effect is relatively small, I do not think Russia should be amused at Ukraine selling Flankers to US, Kh-55s to China, T-80s to UK....

Red_Rage
06-08-2009, 09:38 PM
Replaced at a slooooooow rate. So while the effect is relatively small, I do not think Russia should be amused at Ukraine selling Flankers to US, Kh-55s to China, T-80s to UK....



T80s to UK? Was it an exaggeration to make a point or a real deal?

TR1
06-08-2009, 09:42 PM
I recall T-80 being shipped to UK from some Soviet block, Ukraine was convenient to blame :).

sepheronx
06-08-2009, 09:51 PM
Replaced at a slooooooow rate. So while the effect is relatively small, I do not think Russia should be amused at Ukraine selling Flankers to US, Kh-55s to China, T-80s to UK....

Those SU-27's where old and currently being upgraded (so I doubt they will have all the original components that the ones Ukrain sold to US). T-80's to UK? Well, that one is hard to compare, but the T-80's are hardly used in combat by Russia (see the georgian war). And the KH-55's, Russia is currently selling the tech anyway (KH-101 or something along those lines).

void
06-08-2009, 09:51 PM
Replaced at a slooooooow rate. So while the effect is relatively small, I do not think Russia should be amused at Ukraine selling Flankers to US, Kh-55s to China, T-80s to UK....

Flankers and T-80s aren't too worrysome, since there isnt much to learn there. The flankers they are selling have old radars, which I think hold little secrets, T-80s also. But the Kh-55 is a worry for EVERYONE, since its a blatant violatation of the MTCR and is a strategic weapon.

TR1
06-08-2009, 09:53 PM
Those SU-27's where old and currently being upgrades (so I doubt they will have all the original components that the ones Ukrain sold to US). T-80's to UK? Well, that one is hard to compare, but the T-80's are hardly used in combat by Russia (see the georgian war). And the KH-55's, Russia is currently selling the tech anyway.
SU-27s- the ones sold by Ukraine are identical to at least 75% of Russian air force flankers. That is significant if you ask me.

T-80? T-80 was not used in Georgia simply because none were deployed nearby. In case of real **** going down, T-80 would be the premier Russian MBT.

Same for Kh-55. It is a critical strategic component of the current Russian ****nal. Even modernized Kh-55SM and Kh-555 share much with it.

sepheronx
06-08-2009, 09:59 PM
SU-27s- the ones sold by Ukraine are identical to at least 75% of Russian air force flankers. That is significant if you ask me.

T-80? T-80 was not used in Georgia simply because none were deployed nearby. In case of real **** going down, T-80 would be the premier Russian MBT.

Same for Kh-55. It is a critical strategic component of the current Russian ****nal. Even modernized Kh-55SM and Kh-555 share much with it.

If this was the case, I think the Russian government would have put more into the upgrading of the SU-27's and the T-80's.

void
06-08-2009, 10:01 PM
SU-27s- the ones sold by Ukraine are identical to at least 75% of Russian air force flankers. That is significant if you ask me.

T-80? T-80 was not used in Georgia simply because none were deployed nearby. In case of real **** going down, T-80 would be the premier Russian MBT.

Same for Kh-55. It is a critical strategic component of the current Russian ****nal. Even modernized Kh-55SM and Kh-555 share much with it.

Russia wouldnt sell Kh-55 to anyone, they take special care to adhere to the MTCR, note all of the export versions of Russian missiles which are restricted specifically to under 300km range. eg: Iskander-E vs Iskander-M

void
06-08-2009, 10:05 PM
If this was the case, I think the Russian government would have put more into the upgrading of the SU-27's and the T-80's.

In the case of a fighter plane, the radar can be compromised, knowledge of its operating frequency etc can be really damaging. But in the case of a tank, what can be compromised? The armor effectiveness isnt a huge secret, maybe the composition yes, but I'm assuming that the West have at least equivalent armour tech as a T-80.

TR1
06-08-2009, 10:07 PM
If this was the case, I think the Russian government would have put more into the upgrading of the SU-27's and the T-80's.
They have. Su-27SM? The problem is RUssia is not awash in money that can be spent on upgrading the whole fleet in 4 years. Believe it or not, but if Russian generals had their way Su-27 would be gone by now, all Pak-fas would be flying. Reality is diffirent from wishes :).

With T-80...well not much can be done really.

TR1
06-08-2009, 10:08 PM
Russia wouldnt sell Kh-55 to anyone, they take special care to adhere to the MTCR, note all of the export versions of Russian missiles which are restricted specifically to under 300km range. eg: Iskander-E vs Iskander-M
Russia yes, Ukraine, no. :-(

Also somehow an occasional Kh-55 finding its way out of Russia in the 90s would not surprise me. But it would be easier to get it from Ukraine anyways.

Nuclear_Warrior
06-08-2009, 10:10 PM
This pic made my day:)
http://otvaga2004.narod.ru/publ_w5/015_tigers.htm
http://otvaga2004.narod.ru/publ_w5/tiger-4_01.jpg

God damn! I would destroy the one on the left (obviously not the one dressed in white).

GazB
06-08-2009, 11:31 PM
As I remember there was BTR-80A with 23 mm gun.

You might be getting confused with the new model MTLB with the new model KPV HMG that seems to be recalibrated to 23mm. There is another MTLB model with a twin barrel 23mm gun as well, but the version I am talking about has what appears to be a KPV HMG gun but with a modified muzzle. The original KPV has a cone shaped recoil booster, whereas the new model gun is slightly different calibre and a muzzle brake.

K-5
06-08-2009, 11:48 PM
God damn! I would destroy the one on the left (obviously not the one dressed in white).
Get in linep-)

Those SU-27's where old and currently being upgraded (so I doubt they will have all the original components that the ones Ukrain sold to US). T-80's to UK? Well, that one is hard to compare, but the T-80's are hardly used in combat by Russia (see the georgian war). And the KH-55's, Russia is currently selling the tech anyway (KH-101 or something along those lines).
There is a rumor with set up Morocco based company buying several Msta's and T-80U's, but despite the hype there is hardly any tangible evidence of it actually happening. I disagree that there is nothing to learn from T-80 (U or UM that is), especially back in the 90's when these tanks were most formidable armored units in Army's disposal. Reps from Chrysler and GM visiting Omsk shows have been noted to be especially eager to snap a pic of what's beneath engine deck or the interior of latest offerings. Speaking of offerings, it appears Cyprus wants to buy more T-80Us after this year's exhibition (wonder if they are going to be custom made).

metberkut
06-09-2009, 02:16 AM
SU-27s- the ones sold by Ukraine are identical to at least 75% of Russian air force flankers. That is significant if you ask me.


75%? 100%, that is closer. Ukraine didn't get downgraded planes like other nations (MiG-21, -23 and so on), and there is no difference between a standard russian Ub and one in Ukrainian force.

K-5
06-09-2009, 03:28 AM
75%? 100%, that is closer. Ukraine didn't get downgraded planes like other nations (MiG-21, -23 and so on), and there is no difference between a standard russian Ub and one in Ukrainian force.
This is irrelevant to point raised. While Ukrainian Su-27UB sold are virtually identical to Russian AF birds, they were sold to private hands and demilitarized before shipment (things must be getting really desperate in Ukraine). Moldovan MiG-29s on the other hand were sold as operational combat hardware, something no one seems to remember after some time.

TR1
06-09-2009, 03:53 AM
75%? 100%, that is closer. Ukraine didn't get downgraded planes like other nations (MiG-21, -23 and so on), and there is no difference between a standard russian Ub and one in Ukrainian force.
There are a number of Russian flankers that are Sm upgraded. So no, not 100% percent.

mannelig
06-09-2009, 05:05 AM
You might be getting confused with the new model MTLB with the new model KPV HMG that seems to be recalibrated to 23mm. There is another MTLB model with a twin barrel 23mm gun as well, but the version I am talking about has what appears to be a KPV HMG gun but with a modified muzzle. The original KPV has a cone shaped recoil booster, whereas the new model gun is slightly different calibre and a muzzle brake.

I was talking about this one :)
But anyway it doesen`t seem to be a 30 mm work.
http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/9771/93938224.jpg
http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/336/22668.jpg

void
06-09-2009, 05:42 AM
I was talking about this one :)
But anyway it doesen`t seem to be a 30 mm work.
http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/9771/93938224.jpg
http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/336/22668.jpg

Well, that is a BTR-80A with a 30mm cannon, but I doubt that they used that so close to their own soldiers heads, maybe the coax 7.62 machine gun then?

BoevayaSistema
06-09-2009, 05:55 AM
Here's Btr-60 with the same turret,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gs9m5-k_vro

signatory
06-09-2009, 06:48 AM
Russian Baltic fleet submarine S-2 sunk by mines in 1940 has been discovered.

There's some pics on this link (http://www.expressen.se/1.1600166?articlePopup=true&img=1)

English news link (http://www.thelocal.se/19960/20090609/)

Dark Avenger
06-09-2009, 07:06 AM
Here's Btr-60 with the same turret

The turret is the same, but the main gun is the older 2A42 and not the 2A72.

BoevayaSistema
06-09-2009, 08:01 AM
Small caliber ammunition with plastic shells,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qw4g3vnGHGI

Development of HMDs and Irbis radar,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rYX-uyuu8E

AlexMartin2
06-09-2009, 08:08 AM
Tracking 30 targets at distance from 300 to 450 km? Very nice.

void
06-09-2009, 08:15 AM
Tracking 30 targets at distance from 300 to 450 km? Very nice.

They should upscale the Irbis to a Mig-31 sized antenna, that would be impressive I would think p-)

AlexMartin2
06-09-2009, 08:25 AM
They should upscale the Irbis to a Mig-31 sized antenna, that would be impressive I would think p-)

I liked how this man smiled when he said about distance. He obviously very proud :)

metberkut
06-09-2009, 09:05 AM
This is irrelevant to point raised. While Ukrainian Su-27UB sold are virtually identical to Russian AF birds, they were sold to private hands and demilitarized before shipment (things must be getting really desperate in Ukraine). Moldovan MiG-29s on the other hand were sold as operational combat hardware, something no one seems to remember after some time.

Well, he (TR1) seemed to have concerns that russian planes will be compromised because of the sale. He said they are *almost* the same...They are not almost the same, they *are* the same. The biggest difference is that pilots maybe wanted to have stickers in the cockpit in Ukranian instead of Russian. :roll:

So, the systems on it will be as much revealed as if Medvedev himself sent an opperational UB from Russia.

BTW, the weapon systems are removed on them, othervise it could not be imported in private.


There are a number of Russian flankers that are Sm upgraded. So no, not 100% percent.

...
You are forgeting one thing. We are talking about Su-27UB.

You can't really compare Su-27SM with Su-27UB. Such things as engine and alloys will be as much revealed on UB as on Sm.

sardukar
06-09-2009, 09:06 AM
guys its not fair to those of us who don't understand russian!

metberkut
06-09-2009, 09:17 AM
They should upscale the Irbis to a Mig-31 sized antenna, that would be impressive I would think p-)

Well, you would actually need to downscale it. It is bloody massive. Correct me if i am wrong, but i think it is the biggest radar on fighters currently (or ever) in service. Not counting those on whatever ww2 planes. p-)

30 targets and 300km + is great, but he didn't (not surprisingly at all) mention *what* size of the targets. Will it be able to spot a F-22 from 300 km, or an Awac from 300km? BIG difference.

BTW, he didnt say 300-450, he said 350-400km. p-)

EDIT: Sorry, i totally misread about the MiG-31.

103
06-09-2009, 09:21 AM
Well, that is a BTR-80A with a 30mm cannon, but I doubt that they used that so close to their own soldiers heads, maybe the coax 7.62 machine gun then?
I found a graphic video, at 11:11 they show part of the shooting, but the BTR that is firing is not visible. Later the injured troop is carried into the BTR-80A.
There were also BTR-80 used in this raid.
http://www.1tv.ru/news/polit/82038

Vipidari
06-09-2009, 09:27 AM
Well, you would actually need to downscale it. It is bloody massive. Correct me if i am wrong, but i think it is the biggest radar on fighters currently (or ever) in service. Not counting those on whatever ww2 planes. p-)

30 targets and 300km + is great, but he didn't (not surprisingly at all) mention *what* size of the targets. Will it be able to spot a F-22 from 300 km, or an Awac from 300km? BIG difference.

BTW, he didnt say 300-450, he said 350-400km. p-)

EDIT: Sorry, i totally misread about the MiG-31.

Yes, he said 350-400KM.

Sukhoi has published that it's 3m2 @ 400KM.

That's damn impressive.

_GDS_
06-09-2009, 09:27 AM
guys its not fair to those of us who don't understand russian! So, just tell us - the russian speaking members will try to help you what you don't understand, we will try to help you with translation ;)
BTW, those secret bears(i'm talking about russians) can keep secrets very well :)
Thankfully there are some ex-soviet union members who will save the day :D :P Russia has the technology, the ambitions to go more advanced, but it has not much money, maybe thats why economical crisis was started, to stop russians technological advantages comming real? and putting the rest of europe in crisis? well, i don't believe in it, but i could... the true is somewhere here -> pointing to the States...
Though i'm lithuanian and we are in NATO and EU, but i still respect our ex-occupyer and biggest enemy - Russia :)

sorry for OT. Russia strong, but Lithuania - the strongiest :D

GDS
06-09-2009, 09:41 AM
_GDS_,
hello namesake:roll: ))

ignat8080
06-09-2009, 12:27 PM
http://pics.livejournal.com/drugoi/pic/00rycyw9.jpg

Konst
06-09-2009, 01:00 PM
more..

http://visualrian.ru/storage/PreviewWM/4015/58/401558.jpg?1244562481

http://visualrian.ru/storage/PreviewWM/4015/25/401525.jpg?1244559347

http://visualrian.ru/storage/PreviewWM/4015/21/401521.jpg?1244556460

http://visualrian.ru/storage/PreviewWM/4015/63/401563.jpg?1244560384

http://visualrian.ru/storage/PreviewWM/4015/22/401522.jpg?1244556455