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			<title>Training Accident involving FBI HRT officers claims victims</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 19 May 2013 21:52:32 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[Have searched, no news here so here it goes:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/fbi-agents-killed-training-accident-va-19212779#.UZlDrCt5xxs

http://www.wavy.com/dpp/news/local_news/va_beach/fbi-agents-killed-in-training-accident

IRGINIA BEACH, Va. (WAVY) - Two agents with the FBI's Hostage Rescue Team died in a training accident off the coast of Virginia Beach Friday.
The accident happened during a training exercise involving a helicopter, according to local FBI sources.
FBI spokesman Paul Bresson identified the two deceased agents as Special Agent Christopher Lorek and Special Agent Stephen Shaw. Both were assigned to the FBI's Critical Incident Response Group, which is part of the Hostage Rescue Team


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Have searched, no news here so here it goes:<br />
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<a href="http://www.wavy.com/dpp/news/local_news/va_beach/fbi-agents-killed-in-training-accident" target="_blank">http://www.wavy.com/dpp/news/local_n...ining-accident</a><br />
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<font color="#454545"><span style="font-family: Arial">IRGINIA BEACH, Va. (WAVY) - Two agents with the FBI's Hostage Rescue Team died in a training accident off the coast of Virginia Beach Friday.</span></font><br />
<font color="#454545"><span style="font-family: Arial">The accident happened during a training exercise involving a helicopter, according to local FBI sources.</span></font><br />
<font color="#454545"><span style="font-family: Arial">FBI spokesman Paul Bresson identified the two deceased agents as Special Agent Christopher Lorek and Special Agent Stephen Shaw. Both were assigned to the FBI's Critical Incident Response Group, which is part of the Hostage Rescue Team<br />
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Sad story.</span></font></div>

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			<title>Hundreds of Cdn shipping containers with military supplies stuck in Afgh</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 19 May 2013 17:50:44 GMT</pubDate>
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  A team of 15 Canadian soldiers has been dispatched to Kandahar on a month-long assignment to assess whether dozens of military containers are still seaworthy enough to be brought home.

Over 375 shipping containers full of military supplies remain stranded at Kandahar Airfield nearly 18 months after Canada's withdrawal from the war-torn province, and almost two years since combat operations ceased.

National Defence says the material is considered low priority and that all high-value and sensitive equipment has been returned to Canada.

A spokeswoman for the country's operational command, Capt. Jennifer Stadnyk, said certification of as many as 150 of the containers has expired and the technical assistance team will have to access whether they can still meet the standards set out by international shipping companies.

Defence sources said if the containers don't pass, the military will have to find a way to dispose of the material.

The seemingly endless delay in repatriation of the containers, which were supposed to travel overland, was brought on by the extended closure of the Afghan border with Pakistan.

It has turned into a long, costly logistics nightmare for the military, which had intended to have everything home to fully re-equip and refurbish the army.

The equipment includes tires, spare parts, tents and other gear, and officials say their absence does not directly impede the army's regeneration.

Last fall documents obtained by The Canadian Press under access-to-information legislation showed the Canadian government has faced increased withdrawal costs because the containers still have to be stored and guarded.

Pakistan cut off NATO's supply lines through its country in November 2011 after a U.S. air raid mistakenly killed 24 Pakistani soldiers, and the border remained shut until July 2012.

In winding up Canada's five-year involvement in Kandahar, the military funnelled its gear into two streams.

The first was an air bridge that saw Canadian C-17s and rented transports fly sensitive equipment and vehicles out to a friendly port, where it was loaded on cargo ships bound for Canada. The second route was to drive non-sensitive material over land through Pakistan, where it was loaded on a cargo ship in the port of Karachi.

When the Pakistan border clapped shut, only 186 of the estimated 632 containers destined for overland transport had made it back to Canada. Of those, a significant number were pilfered.

The documents show an average loss rate among the containers of 27 per cent. Thieves who pried open the metal containers would steal the contents, replace them with sandbags and weights, and then reseal the containers.
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http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/hundreds-of-shipping-containers-with-canadian-military-supplies-stuck-in-afghanistan-1.1288257

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			  A team of 15 Canadian soldiers has been dispatched to Kandahar on a month-long assignment to assess whether dozens of military containers are still seaworthy enough to be brought home.<br />
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Over 375 shipping containers full of military supplies remain stranded at Kandahar Airfield nearly 18 months after Canada's withdrawal from the war-torn province, and almost two years since combat operations ceased.<br />
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National Defence says the material is considered low priority and that all high-value and sensitive equipment has been returned to Canada.<br />
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A spokeswoman for the country's operational command, Capt. Jennifer Stadnyk, said certification of as many as 150 of the containers has expired and the technical assistance team will have to access whether they can still meet the standards set out by international shipping companies.<br />
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Defence sources said if the containers don't pass, the military will have to find a way to dispose of the material.<br />
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The seemingly endless delay in repatriation of the containers, which were supposed to travel overland, was brought on by the extended closure of the Afghan border with Pakistan.<br />
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It has turned into a long, costly logistics nightmare for the military, which had intended to have everything home to fully re-equip and refurbish the army.<br />
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The equipment includes tires, spare parts, tents and other gear, and officials say their absence does not directly impede the army's regeneration.<br />
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Last fall documents obtained by The Canadian Press under access-to-information legislation showed the Canadian government has faced increased withdrawal costs because the containers still have to be stored and guarded.<br />
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Pakistan cut off NATO's supply lines through its country in November 2011 after a U.S. air raid mistakenly killed 24 Pakistani soldiers, and the border remained shut until July 2012.<br />
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In winding up Canada's five-year involvement in Kandahar, the military funnelled its gear into two streams.<br />
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The first was an air bridge that saw Canadian C-17s and rented transports fly sensitive equipment and vehicles out to a friendly port, where it was loaded on cargo ships bound for Canada. The second route was to drive non-sensitive material over land through Pakistan, where it was loaded on a cargo ship in the port of Karachi.<br />
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When the Pakistan border clapped shut, only 186 of the estimated 632 containers destined for overland transport had made it back to Canada. Of those, a significant number were pilfered.<br />
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The documents show an average loss rate among the containers of 27 per cent. Thieves who pried open the metal containers would steal the contents, replace them with sandbags and weights, and then reseal the containers.
			
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			<title>Marine mistreated by Delta Airlines earlier this year receives Silver Star</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 19 May 2013 13:23:02 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[A wounded warrior who was awarded the nation&#8217;s third highest honor for  valor last week is the same injured Marine Delta Airlines issued a public apology to in December after staff members embarrassed him on a flight.

Cpl. Christian Brown, a former squad leader with 1st Battalion, 6th Marines, was awarded the Silver Star aboard Camp Lejeune, N.C., on Friday. He is credited with heroic actions during the unit&#8217;s 2011 deployment to Afghanistan.

On Dec. 7, Brown responded when a designated marksman was critically  wounded in the head, calling in a medevac and leading his squad to where  it was safe for the helicopter to land. Under heavy fire, he carried  the wounded Marine on his back the final 300 meters to the landing zone,  his citation states.

Brown said the morale of his young, inexperienced team members and  the life of the wounded Marine, Lance Cpl. Christopher Levy, depended on  him staying cool and thinking fast.

 Levy died of his wounds a few days later in Germany. But Brown&#8217;s actions allowed Levy&#8217;s parents to see him one last time.

&#8220;At that point in time, I didn&#8217;t really have time to give a pep  talk,&#8221; Brown said. &#8220;I called one of my junior guys over, I told him to  hold my weapon, and I started moving. I was talking to Levy and telling  him that we had him. &#8230; I just started running until I couldn&#8217;t run  anymore. My legs were just on fire.&#8221;

Six days later, Brown lost his legs in an improvised explosive attack  &#8211; one leg at the knee and the other at the hip. He&#8217;s now with Wounded  Warrior Battalion East.

http://blogs.militarytimes.com/battle-rattle/2013/05/09/wounded-silver-star-marine-had-unfortunate-experience-on-domestic-flight/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>A wounded warrior who was awarded the nation&#8217;s third highest honor for  valor last week is the same injured Marine Delta Airlines issued a public apology to in December after staff members embarrassed him on a flight.<br />
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Cpl. Christian Brown, a former squad leader with 1st Battalion, 6th Marines, was awarded the Silver Star aboard Camp Lejeune, N.C., on Friday. He is credited with heroic actions during the unit&#8217;s 2011 deployment to Afghanistan.<br />
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On Dec. 7, Brown responded when a designated marksman was critically  wounded in the head, calling in a medevac and leading his squad to where  it was safe for the helicopter to land. Under heavy fire, he carried  the wounded Marine on his back the final 300 meters to the landing zone,  his citation states.<br />
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Brown said the morale of his young, inexperienced team members and  the life of the wounded Marine, Lance Cpl. Christopher Levy, depended on  him staying cool and thinking fast.<br />
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 Levy died of his wounds a few days later in Germany. But Brown&#8217;s actions allowed Levy&#8217;s parents to see him one last time.<br />
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&#8220;At that point in time, I didn&#8217;t really have time to give a pep  talk,&#8221; Brown said. &#8220;I called one of my junior guys over, I told him to  hold my weapon, and I started moving. I was talking to Levy and telling  him that we had him. &#8230; I just started running until I couldn&#8217;t run  anymore. My legs were just on fire.&#8221;<br />
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Six days later, Brown lost his legs in an improvised explosive attack  &#8211; one leg at the knee and the other at the hip. He&#8217;s now with Wounded  Warrior Battalion East.<br />
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<a href="http://blogs.militarytimes.com/battle-rattle/2013/05/09/wounded-silver-star-marine-had-unfortunate-experience-on-domestic-flight/" target="_blank">http://blogs.militarytimes.com/battl...mestic-flight/</a></div>

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			<title>India to use geo-stationery satellites for missile defence</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 19 May 2013 08:15:35 GMT</pubDate>
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KOCHI: *India has launched an ambitious programme to use its array of geo-stationary satellites (G-sats) to monitor missile activities in an area of 6,000 km. *With this, the country's constellation of G-sats will become the first line of defence in its anti-missile shield. This programme is independent of the observation grid installed by defence and intelligence agencies. The advantage of using geo-stationary satellites is their fixed position at a height of 36,000 km and synchronised with the earth's movement.
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A top source told TOI that *special lens and processing electronics are being developed to significantly improve the power of G-sat cameras and telescope.* "The Centre has given ISRO the go-ahead. The programme is into a crucial development phase,'' he said.
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			<title>Turkey’s Future Fifth Gen Fighter Fleet</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 19 May 2013 00:28:24 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[Turkey’s Future Fifth Gen Fighter Fleet
Posted by Tony Osborne (http://www.aviationweek.com/UserProfile.aspx?newspaperUserId=258291) 9:53 AM on May 10, 2013Turkey’s aerospace industry is certainly an ambitious one and some of its ideas were on display at the IDEF defense show in Istanbul this week.
If building a MALE UAV, and a turboprop trainer – Hurkus, due to fly for the first time in the coming weeks – wasn’t enough, Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) has embarked on early studies for a national combat aircraft program. While it is only in the concept phase for the moment, with assistance from Swedish fighter manufacturer, Saab, senior officials will make significant decisions on the program at the end of the year.
Image: http://www.aviationweek.com/Portals/AWeek/Ares/TonyO/TAI_5thGen_Design1600.jpg 
TAI and the Turkish government want the aircraft to fly in 10 years time to begin replacing the country’s large F-16 fleet. If it comes to fruition, Turkey will be one of the few countries with an all fifth-gen fleet of combat aircraft. Its planned fleet of 100 F-35A Lightning IIs, arriving at the end of this decade, will replace the remaining F-4 Phantom fleet and the earliest F-16s.
Image: http://www.aviationweek.com/Portals/AWeek/Ares/TonyO/TAI_5thGen_Design2600.jpg 
The indigenous project has many hurdles to overcome, not least in terms of powerplant. But TAI is already in talks with engine producers about the next range of propulsion technologies. Engineers are also not discounting the idea that the aircraft could also be optionally manned, although Turkey does have aspirations to produce a UCAV in its UAV roadmap. Perhaps more critically is that this aircraft could have a lot of export potential to nations which the U.S. might have no wish to sell F-35 to.
Image: http://www.aviationweek.com/Portals/AWeek/Ares/TonyO/TAI_5thGen_Design3600.jpg 
Apologies for the poor quality of these images, they were snapped on the wall of the TAI stand. I have photoshopped them to isolate them from the other designs. TAI officials told me that the twin-engine aircraft meets all the Turkish Air Force’s requirements, but they would prefer a single-engine aircraft. The big challenge with that however will be finding an engine powerful enough.
It's not all good news in Turkey. Officials from the Turkish Air Force confirmed that the NF-5 Freedom Fighter will be withdrawn from service in the coming months, another classic type disappearing from our skies. The Turkish Stars display team, will, we understand continue to fly the type for now.
Image: http://www.aviationweek.com/Portals/AWeek/Ares/TonyO/4009NF-5TurkishAF.jpg 
All photos: Tony Osborne - Aviation Week

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Posted by <a href="http://www.aviationweek.com/UserProfile.aspx?newspaperUserId=258291" target="_blank">Tony Osborne</a> 9:53 AM on May 10, 2013Turkey’s aerospace industry is certainly an ambitious one and some of its ideas were on display at the IDEF defense show in Istanbul this week.<br />
If building a MALE UAV, and a turboprop trainer – Hurkus, due to fly for the first time in the coming weeks – wasn’t enough, Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) has embarked on early studies for a national combat aircraft program. While it is only in the concept phase for the moment, with assistance from Swedish fighter manufacturer, Saab, senior officials will make significant decisions on the program at the end of the year.<br />
<img src="http://www.aviationweek.com/Portals/AWeek/Ares/TonyO/TAI_5thGen_Design1600.jpg" border="0" alt="" /><br />
TAI and the Turkish government want the aircraft to fly in 10 years time to begin replacing the country’s large F-16 fleet. If it comes to fruition, Turkey will be one of the few countries with an all fifth-gen fleet of combat aircraft. Its planned fleet of 100 F-35A Lightning IIs, arriving at the end of this decade, will replace the remaining F-4 Phantom fleet and the earliest F-16s.<br />
<div style="text-align: center;"><img src="http://www.aviationweek.com/Portals/AWeek/Ares/TonyO/TAI_5thGen_Design2600.jpg" border="0" alt="" /></div>The indigenous project has many hurdles to overcome, not least in terms of powerplant. But TAI is already in talks with engine producers about the next range of propulsion technologies. Engineers are also not discounting the idea that the aircraft could also be optionally manned, although Turkey does have aspirations to produce a UCAV in its UAV roadmap. Perhaps more critically is that this aircraft could have a lot of export potential to nations which the U.S. might have no wish to sell F-35 to.<br />
<img src="http://www.aviationweek.com/Portals/AWeek/Ares/TonyO/TAI_5thGen_Design3600.jpg" border="0" alt="" /><br />
Apologies for the poor quality of these images, they were snapped on the wall of the TAI stand. I have photoshopped them to isolate them from the other designs. TAI officials told me that the twin-engine aircraft meets all the Turkish Air Force’s requirements, but they would prefer a single-engine aircraft. The big challenge with that however will be finding an engine powerful enough.<br />
It's not all good news in Turkey. Officials from the Turkish Air Force confirmed that the NF-5 Freedom Fighter will be withdrawn from service in the coming months, another classic type disappearing from our skies. The Turkish Stars display team, will, we understand continue to fly the type for now.<br />
<img src="http://www.aviationweek.com/Portals/AWeek/Ares/TonyO/4009NF-5TurkishAF.jpg" border="0" alt="" /><br />
<i>All photos: Tony Osborne - Aviation Week<br />
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			<title>Defending artillery batteries</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 18 May 2013 21:08:34 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[These days the trend is towards lighter and more airmobile artillery (such as the French Caesar 155mm/52cal. SP gun), and away from the traditional heavy SP guns.  That, of course, means lighter armor or no armor, making them nearly as vulnerable as towed artillery.  The primary defense for artillery batteries has always been 'shoot and scoot'; remain undetected, fire a quick barrage, then change location before enemy counterbattery fire can destroy you.

The problem is that the threat to artillery batteries is evolving quickly.  The reaction time for counter-battery fire is reduced.  Counterbattery RADARs can see rising shells and calculate the origin point and pass targeting info to the counter-battery fire unit before the first shells even impact.  Also, with the advent of drones and other technological advances in recon and surveillance technology, artillery units are much more likely to be discovered and attacked while in transit or setting up.  And enemy airpower is always going to go after artillery batteries as targets of opportunity if it happens across them.  In addition, smart weapons used for counterbattery fire (like, say, NLOS) can find and destroy mobile artillery in transit after it has left its recent firing position.  And with the increased use of specops teams, artillery units could be a juicy soft target for enemy raiders.  The threat to artillery batteries is definitely increasing.

This is obviously going to force a change in defensive tactics and equipment.  The possibilities I see are:

- *Low observables.*  The enemy has to find your artillery batteries to destroy them.  If mobile artillery can be invisible until they shoot, that would greatly increase their chances of survival on a conventional battlefield.  Low IR and RADAR signatures, camouflage, and even lower noise emissions will be required.  This can be done both in SP gun vehicle design and improved camo netting.  Also, frequency-hopping comms make RDF efforts more difficult.

*- Air defense.*  I think all artillery batteries have at least some organic air defense assigned to them, even if it is just shoulder-fired SAMs.  But with drones, stealthy attack aircraft and helos and smart missiles with loiter capability appearing on the battlefield, much more robust air defenses will be a must.

*- Counter-counterbattery defense.*  Since Iron Dome has appeared, the ability to shoot down incoming enemy shells has become a reality.  As this technology inevitably becomes cheaper, smaller and lighter, it will likely become an integrated part of the defenses of artillery units.

*- Counter-surveillance.*  The enemy locates batteries using counterbattery RADARs.  Giving artillery units an organic capability to jam enemy counterbattery RADAR would be quite useful.  Also, since artillery units already operate drones to spot targets, it may be possible to arm some of those drones with anti-radiation missiles to attack enemy defensive and/or counterbattery RADARs the moment they begin emitting.  They could even carry jamming pods to jam counterbattery RADARs and comms.

*- Increased mobility.*  The trend towards lighter, cheaper truck-based SP artillery has the unfortunate effect of decreasing the mobility of SP artillery, especially in very heavy terrain.  Where there a only a few roads through extreme terrain, wheeled artillery will be far easier for the enemy to find.  This also obviously limits where SP artillery can be deployed.  The enemy can also cut the few critical roads fairly easily, especially if there are a lot of vital bridges on those roads.  Units that can traverse rougher terrain faster will have increased survivability and areas of operation.  This does not automatically mean switching back to conventional heavy tracked SP guns.  I suspect that other unconventional, cheaper and lighter solutions will appear.

*- More sophisticated projectiles.*  We already have smart projectiles for artillery, but their capabilities are aimed at precision targeting.  Imagine if you could fire shells off at an angle away from the target in a position masked by high terrain between you and enemy.  The shell immediately changes course to head towards the target, which gives a curved trajectory that, once the shell appears on enemy counterbattery RADAR cannot be ballistically tracked back to the point of origin.  And there is no reason we cannot eventually have low observables projectiles with a sabot to protect their anti-RADAR coating from barrel rifling.  This kind of technology could make 'shoot and scoot' unnecessary in at least some cases.

*- Increased security.*  Because of the threat of enemy specops teams, I expect to see more organic ground security in the org table of artillery units going forward.  Some commandos with just light ATGMs and mortars would wreak havoc on an artillery emplacement.  Even a civilian spy with a cellphone sneaking through the woods is a deadly threat.  Countering that requires a strong defense perimeter, good local surveillance and aggressive patrolling.  That means more resources and troops.  Small security drones, terrain sensors and smart mines beingdeployed around the artillery emplacement,and even armed robot sentries may start being a standard part of an artillery unit.


    I find the idea of future defensive measures for artillery to be fascinating.  In our recent wars, artillerymen have mostly had the luxury of operating in relatively secure areas with little fear of being attacked, except by the occasional not-too-accurate rocket or mortar round.  That may well not be the case next time.   These are just some ideas I threw out to stimulate discussion of that.  I will be interested to hear what experienced 'cannon cockers' have to say, along with everybody else who wishes to comment.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>These days the trend is towards lighter and more airmobile artillery (such as the French Caesar 155mm/52cal. SP gun), and away from the traditional heavy SP guns.  That, of course, means lighter armor or no armor, making them nearly as vulnerable as towed artillery.  The primary defense for artillery batteries has always been 'shoot and scoot'; remain undetected, fire a quick barrage, then change location before enemy counterbattery fire can destroy you.<br />
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The problem is that the threat to artillery batteries is evolving quickly.  The reaction time for counter-battery fire is reduced.  Counterbattery RADARs can see rising shells and calculate the origin point and pass targeting info to the counter-battery fire unit before the first shells even impact.  Also, with the advent of drones and other technological advances in recon and surveillance technology, artillery units are much more likely to be discovered and attacked while in transit or setting up.  And enemy airpower is always going to go after artillery batteries as targets of opportunity if it happens across them.  In addition, smart weapons used for counterbattery fire (like, say, NLOS) can find and destroy mobile artillery in transit after it has left its recent firing position.  And with the increased use of specops teams, artillery units could be a juicy soft target for enemy raiders.  The threat to artillery batteries is definitely increasing.<br />
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This is obviously going to force a change in defensive tactics and equipment.  The possibilities I see are:<br />
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- <b>Low observables.</b>  The enemy has to find your artillery batteries to destroy them.  If mobile artillery can be invisible until they shoot, that would greatly increase their chances of survival on a conventional battlefield.  Low IR and RADAR signatures, camouflage, and even lower noise emissions will be required.  This can be done both in SP gun vehicle design and improved camo netting.  Also, frequency-hopping comms make RDF efforts more difficult.<br />
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<b>- Air defense.</b>  I think all artillery batteries have at least some organic air defense assigned to them, even if it is just shoulder-fired SAMs.  But with drones, stealthy attack aircraft and helos and smart missiles with loiter capability appearing on the battlefield, much more robust air defenses will be a must.<br />
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<b>- Counter-counterbattery defense.</b>  Since Iron Dome has appeared, the ability to shoot down incoming enemy shells has become a reality.  As this technology inevitably becomes cheaper, smaller and lighter, it will likely become an integrated part of the defenses of artillery units.<br />
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<b>- Counter-surveillance.</b>  The enemy locates batteries using counterbattery RADARs.  Giving artillery units an organic capability to jam enemy counterbattery RADAR would be quite useful.  Also, since artillery units already operate drones to spot targets, it may be possible to arm some of those drones with anti-radiation missiles to attack enemy defensive and/or counterbattery RADARs the moment they begin emitting.  They could even carry jamming pods to jam counterbattery RADARs and comms.<br />
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<b>- Increased mobility.</b>  The trend towards lighter, cheaper truck-based SP artillery has the unfortunate effect of decreasing the mobility of SP artillery, especially in very heavy terrain.  Where there a only a few roads through extreme terrain, wheeled artillery will be far easier for the enemy to find.  This also obviously limits where SP artillery can be deployed.  The enemy can also cut the few critical roads fairly easily, especially if there are a lot of vital bridges on those roads.  Units that can traverse rougher terrain faster will have increased survivability and areas of operation.  This does not automatically mean switching back to conventional heavy tracked SP guns.  I suspect that other unconventional, cheaper and lighter solutions will appear.<br />
<br />
<b>- More sophisticated projectiles.</b>  We already have smart projectiles for artillery, but their capabilities are aimed at precision targeting.  Imagine if you could fire shells off at an angle away from the target in a position masked by high terrain between you and enemy.  The shell immediately changes course to head towards the target, which gives a curved trajectory that, once the shell appears on enemy counterbattery RADAR cannot be ballistically tracked back to the point of origin.  And there is no reason we cannot eventually have low observables projectiles with a sabot to protect their anti-RADAR coating from barrel rifling.  This kind of technology could make 'shoot and scoot' unnecessary in at least some cases.<br />
<br />
<b>- Increased security.</b>  Because of the threat of enemy specops teams, I expect to see more organic ground security in the org table of artillery units going forward.  Some commandos with just light ATGMs and mortars would wreak havoc on an artillery emplacement.  Even a civilian spy with a cellphone sneaking through the woods is a deadly threat.  Countering that requires a strong defense perimeter, good local surveillance and aggressive patrolling.  That means more resources and troops.  Small security drones, terrain sensors and smart mines beingdeployed around the artillery emplacement,and even armed robot sentries may start being a standard part of an artillery unit.<br />
<br />
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    I find the idea of future defensive measures for artillery to be fascinating.  In our recent wars, artillerymen have mostly had the luxury of operating in relatively secure areas with little fear of being attacked, except by the occasional not-too-accurate rocket or mortar round.  That may well not be the case next time.   These are just some ideas I threw out to stimulate discussion of that.  I will be interested to hear what experienced 'cannon cockers' have to say, along with everybody else who wishes to comment.</div>

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			<title>Fort Bragg recieves the new M119A3 105mm Light Gun</title>
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*Artillerymen        at Fort Bragg first unit in U.S. Army to receive digitized towed howitzer        M119A3. *
Artillerymen          at Fort Bragg, N.C., became the first unit in the Army to receive digitized          M119A3 howitzers, which will make it possible for Soldiers to start firing          rounds and evade return fire quicker in combat. The          M119 is a lightweight 105 mm howitzer that provides suppressive and protective          fires for infantry brigade combat teams. 

The upgraded M119A3            is equipped with a digital fire control system that includes an inertial            navigation unit, guided-precision system technology and other features            that will give the weapon the ability to determine its precise geographical            location on its own.
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<span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><font size="2">Artillerymen          at Fort Bragg, N.C., became the first unit in the Army to receive digitized          M119A3 howitzers, which will make it possible for Soldiers to start firing          rounds and evade return fire quicker in combat. </font></span><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><font size="2">The          M119 is a lightweight 105 mm howitzer that provides suppressive and protective          fires for infantry brigade combat teams. <br />
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</font></span></span><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><font size="2">The upgraded M119A3            is equipped with a digital fire control system that includes an inertial            navigation unit, guided-precision system technology and other features            that will give the weapon the ability to determine its precise geographical            location on its own.</font></span></span><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><font size="2"><br />
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			<title>North Korea Fires Missiles Into Sea</title>
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			<title>Osaka mayor accuses U.S. military of using women for *** in postwar Japan</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[May 17, 2013 THE ASAHI SHIMBUN
Osaka Mayor Toru Hashimoto on May 17 hit back at U.S. criticism of his remarks on "comfort women" by accusing the United States of using Japanese women to provide *** for American soldiers following World War II.

The term, comfort women, is a euphemism for those who provided *** for Japanese soldiers during the war, often against their will.

Hashimoto said May 13 that the use of comfort women was "necessary" at the time, a statement that Washington described as "outrageous and offensive."

On the morning of May 17, Hashimoto, who is also co-leader of the Japan Restoration Party, responded with a series of messages on Twitter, saying it is "unfair" to criticize only Japan over the issue.

"During the period of the U.S. occupation of Japan (after the end of the war), the United States also utilized Japanese women. It is outrageous to use women to deal with the ****** (desires of soldiers) in combat areas," he wrote. "It is intolerable to justify Japan's utilization of comfort women. But it is unfair to criticize only Japan."

Further messages referred to *** crimes committed by U.S. servicemen in Okinawa Prefecture:

"I am grateful that the U.S. forces are contributing to Japan's security. But incidents that tread on the human rights of residents in Okinawa are taking place due to the acts of a small number of U.S. soldiers. As a result, the relationship of trust between Japan and the United States is collapsing drastically. The United States should pay more consideration to the human rights of people in the prefecture."

He also said, "Japan is not the only country that has trampled on the human rights of many women. The United States should directly face what the U.S. forces were doing during the occupation period, especially to women in Okinawa."

Hashimoto claimed Japan was being singled out for blame, saying, "The United States and the world only talk about Japan's comfort women, and criticize Japanese as the only people to have utilized *** slaves. But this is wrong."

http://ajw.asahi.com/article/behind_news/politics/AJ201305170068



May 15, 2013, 12:47 pm 
Did Japan ‘Need’ Comfort Women?
By CAROL GIACOMO
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>May 17, 2013 THE ASAHI SHIMBUN<br />
Osaka Mayor Toru Hashimoto on May 17 hit back at U.S. criticism of his remarks on &quot;comfort women&quot; by accusing the United States of using Japanese women to provide *** for American soldiers following World War II.<br />
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The term, comfort women, is a euphemism for those who provided *** for Japanese soldiers during the war, often against their will.<br />
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Hashimoto said May 13 that the use of comfort women was &quot;necessary&quot; at the time, a statement that Washington described as &quot;outrageous and offensive.&quot;<br />
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On the morning of May 17, Hashimoto, who is also co-leader of the Japan Restoration Party, responded with a series of messages on Twitter, saying it is &quot;unfair&quot; to criticize only Japan over the issue.<br />
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&quot;During the period of the U.S. occupation of Japan (after the end of the war), the United States also utilized Japanese women. It is outrageous to use women to deal with the ****** (desires of soldiers) in combat areas,&quot; he wrote. &quot;It is intolerable to justify Japan's utilization of comfort women. But it is unfair to criticize only Japan.&quot;<br />
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Further messages referred to *** crimes committed by U.S. servicemen in Okinawa Prefecture:<br />
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&quot;I am grateful that the U.S. forces are contributing to Japan's security. But incidents that tread on the human rights of residents in Okinawa are taking place due to the acts of a small number of U.S. soldiers. As a result, the relationship of trust between Japan and the United States is collapsing drastically. The United States should pay more consideration to the human rights of people in the prefecture.&quot;<br />
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He also said, &quot;Japan is not the only country that has trampled on the human rights of many women. The United States should directly face what the U.S. forces were doing during the occupation period, especially to women in Okinawa.&quot;<br />
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Hashimoto claimed Japan was being singled out for blame, saying, &quot;The United States and the world only talk about Japan's comfort women, and criticize Japanese as the only people to have utilized *** slaves. But this is wrong.&quot;<br />
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<a href="http://ajw.asahi.com/article/behind_news/politics/AJ201305170068" target="_blank">http://ajw.asahi.com/article/behind_...AJ201305170068</a><br />
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May 15, 2013, 12:47 pm <br />
Did Japan ‘Need’ Comfort Women?<br />
By CAROL GIACOMO<br />
<a href="http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/05/15/did-japan-need-comfort-women/" target="_blank">http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/...comfort-women/</a></div>

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			<title>Visual stealth - possible?</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[With the introduction (either in prototype or production form) by several nations of aircraft that have stealth characteristics in terms of radar detection, how long will it be until the advent of visual stealth al la James Bonds Aston Martin Vanquish...or "Vanish" as "Q" terms it...comes to pass? The technology to conceal a tank by creating an optical illusion through the use of cameras and special surfaces has already been demostrated but I doubt the technology behind it could cope with an aircraft moving a supersonic or even high subsonic speed. This would however:

1). Offer an advantage to an aircraft during a visual fight...providing heat sources can also be concealed of course.

2). Prove highly useful to ground attack aircraft in such low intensity conflicts as Afghanistan. An insurgent may hear the aircraft but wouldn't see it until rocket/bomb release, or imagine how effective an invisible AH-64/Mi-28 would prove to be (again so long as heat sources could be concealed)

In case there are members of another forum on here who have read this, no you're not seeing double :-P
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div><div style="margin-left:40px">With the introduction (either in prototype or production form) by several nations of aircraft that have stealth characteristics in terms of radar detection, how long will it be until the advent of visual stealth al la James Bonds Aston Martin Vanquish...or &quot;Vanish&quot; as &quot;Q&quot; terms it...comes to pass? The technology to conceal a tank by creating an optical illusion through the use of cameras and special surfaces has already been demostrated but I doubt the technology behind it could cope with an aircraft moving a supersonic or even high subsonic speed. This would however:<br />
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1). Offer an advantage to an aircraft during a visual fight...providing heat sources can also be concealed of course.<br />
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2). Prove highly useful to ground attack aircraft in such low intensity conflicts as Afghanistan. An insurgent may hear the aircraft but wouldn't see it until rocket/bomb release, or imagine how effective an invisible AH-64/Mi-28 would prove to be (again so long as heat sources could be concealed)<br />
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			<title>Russia Developing ‘Terrorist-Killer Robots’</title>
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MOSCOW, May 17 (RIA Novosti) - Russian experts are developing robots  designed to minimize casualties in terrorist attacks and neutralize  terrorists, Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin said on Friday.

 Robots could also help evacuate injured servicemen and civilians from  the scene of a terrorist attack, said Rogozin, who oversees the defense  industry.

 Other antiterror equipment Russia is developing includes systems that  can see terrorists through obstacles and effectively engage them in a  standoff mode at a long distance without injuring their hostages, he  said.

 Rogozin did not say when the equipment might be deployed by Russia&#8217;s security and intelligence services.

 Human Rights Watch has criticized fully autonomous weapons, known as  "killer robots," which would be able to select and engage targets  without human intervention and called for the preemptive prohibition on  such weapons.

 &#8220;Fully autonomous weapons do not exist yet, but they are being  developed by several countries and precursors to fully autonomous  weapons have already been deployed by high-tech militaries,&#8221; HRW said in  a statement on its website. &#8220;Some experts predict that fully autonomous  weapons could be operational in 20 to 30 years.&#8221;

 &#8220;These weapons would be incapable of meeting international  humanitarian law standards, including the rules of distinction,  proportionality, and military necessity. The weapons would not be  constrained by the capacity for compassion, which can provide a key  check on the killing of civilians,&#8221; the human rights watchdog said.  &#8220;Fully autonomous weapons also raise serious questions of accountability  because it is unclear who should be held responsible for any unlawful  actions they commit."
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 Robots could also help evacuate injured servicemen and civilians from  the scene of a terrorist attack, said Rogozin, who oversees the defense  industry.<br />
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 Other antiterror equipment Russia is developing includes systems that  can see terrorists through obstacles and effectively engage them in a  standoff mode at a long distance without injuring their hostages, he  said.<br />
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 Rogozin did not say when the equipment might be deployed by Russia&#8217;s security and intelligence services.<br />
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 Human Rights Watch has criticized fully autonomous weapons, known as  &quot;killer robots,&quot; which would be able to select and engage targets  without human intervention and called for the preemptive prohibition on  such weapons.<br />
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 &#8220;Fully autonomous weapons do not exist yet, but they are being  developed by several countries and precursors to fully autonomous  weapons have already been deployed by high-tech militaries,&#8221; HRW said in  a statement on its website. &#8220;Some experts predict that fully autonomous  weapons could be operational in 20 to 30 years.&#8221;<br />
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 &#8220;These weapons would be incapable of meeting international  humanitarian law standards, including the rules of distinction,  proportionality, and military necessity. The weapons would not be  constrained by the capacity for compassion, which can provide a key  check on the killing of civilians,&#8221; the human rights watchdog said.  &#8220;Fully autonomous weapons also raise serious questions of accountability  because it is unclear who should be held responsible for any unlawful  actions they commit.&quot;
			
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			<title>ANA, USSOF to Take Over Main Combat Role in Afghanistan</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Afghan Commandos Step Up Their Combat Role
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AT A CLASSIFIED COMMANDO BASE, Afghanistan — One day this month, a pair of Russian Mi-17 assault helicopters delivered two teams of Afghan commandos, their faces obscured by black masks, in a touch-and-go landing at this camp in a lush valley encircled by frosty peaks about 50 miles from Kabul.

Related
* 3 G.I.’s Killed in Afghan Bombing (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/15/world/asia/southern-afghan-bombing.html?ref=asia) (May 15, 2013)
* Commander Denies U.S. to Blame in Afghan Deaths (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/14/world/asia/general-says-us-not-to-blame-in-death-of-afghan-civilians.html?ref=asia) (May 14, 2013)
* Afghans Say an American Tortured Civilians (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/13/world/asia/afghans-say-an-american-tortured-civilians.html?ref=asia) (May 13, 2013)



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Sergey Ponomarev for The New York TimesAfghan commandos train at camp. The United States says a combination of Afghan and allied troops will assume an increasing share of the combat burden.


A training squadron drawn from the most secretive counterterrorism units fielded by the United States and its NATO allies watched as the Afghan commandos stormed and cleared a three-story office building that was left conspicuously unfinished — the kind of structure favored by insurgents.
This is the combination of Afghan and allied troops that the Obama administration and the government in Kabul say will assume an increasing share of the combat burden in Afghanistan as the NATO alliance gradually hands over responsibility for security operations (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/23/world/asia/23prexy.html?_r=0) to Afghan troops.
As other troops are withdrawn, Special Operations forces (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/03/world/military-plans-broader-role-for-special-operations.html)are expected to make up almost one-third of the American military presence in Afghanistan by next February. Their specialty — advising local military units on the front lines and hunting down top insurgent or terrorist leaders — will become the major focus of the alliance’s effort here either until American troops are withdrawn by the target date of December 2014 or the Afghan government asks them to stay past then.  
On any day in Afghanistan, about 60 Special Operations teams are working with Afghan local police forces to provide security in villages; 50 more are assigned to Afghan strike forces, including 9 commando battalions and special police units and 19 provincial response companies.
The most elite units are housed at secret bases like this one, where assault helicopters stand by to carry them on their missions. Other commando battalions and provincial response companies are scattered among population centers and along the ring road linking Afghanistan’s major cities.
For American commanders, the transition to Afghan leadership on security has been a challenge, requiring a sharp increase in the intensity of training.
It has also required a significant reorganization of planning — and a change in the culture of American Special Operations forces, which, for the first time since the war began, answer to a single commander responsible for coordinating what had been separate, even conflicting, efforts.
“The dirty little secret among S.O.F. is that we were competing among ourselves,” said Maj. Gen. Tony Thomas, the senior commander overseeing all American and allied Special Operations forces, or S.O.F., in Afghanistan.
“We didn’t necessarily share information to the greatest extent possible,” said General Thomas, an Army Ranger with a long career in Special Operations. “It wasn’t about who got the credit or glory — but we were all so focused on our individual mission that we didn’t always synchronize the effort in the most efficient way for a common goal.”
There have been times when one strike team was targeting a suspected insurgent without knowing that a training team was courting his close kinsman to raise a local police force from their home village.
That began to change just under a year ago when General Thomas took charge of a new military organization here — the Special Operations Joint Task Force-Afghanistan (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/05/world/asia/us-plans-a-shift-to-elite-forces-in-afghanistan.html), making him, in essence, the first to lead a division-sized deployment of Special Operations forces. Under his command are all the various “tribes” of American Special Operations forces: Army Green Berets, Navy SEALs and Marine Corps Special Operations units, as well as the top-tier strike teams that hunt down or kill high-value terrorist and insurgent leaders.
Senior officials say the new level of coordination has paid dividends in the form of initiatives like a centralized system for allocating drones, helicopters and airplanes that has allowed the 200 Special Operations aircraft to increase their sortie rate to 6,000 missions a month from 4,000.
Even as the number of American troops will be cut in half from 68,000 by next February under President Obama’s withdrawal orders, the number of Special Operations forces will remain the same through the Afghan presidential election, which is scheduled for next spring, but could be delayed until closer to December 2014.
While the bulk of the American and allied conventional forces remaining in Afghanistan will make the transition to a support role — and will be increasingly based at large military headquarters — the 10,000 American Special Operations troops will continue to be deployed alongside Afghan units. (Including NATO and coalition troops, the total Special Operations deployment here numbers 13,700.)
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More at the link: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/15/world/asia/us-special-operations-step-up-in-afghanistan.html?ref=world&_r=1&

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			<font color="#333333"><span style="font-family: georgia"><font color="#000000">AT A CLASSIFIED COMMANDO BASE, Afghanistan — One day this month, a pair of Russian Mi-17 assault helicopters delivered two teams of Afghan commandos, their faces obscured by black masks, in a touch-and-go landing at this camp in a lush valley encircled by frosty peaks about 50 miles from Kabul.</font><br />
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<b>Sergey Ponomarev for The New York Times</b><br /><br /><font color="#666666"><span style="font-family: arial">Afghan commandos train at camp. The United States says a combination of Afghan and allied troops will assume an increasing share of the combat burden.</span></font><br />
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<font color="#333333"><span style="font-family: georgia"><font color="#000000">A training squadron drawn from the most secretive counterterrorism units fielded by the United States and its NATO allies watched as the Afghan commandos stormed and cleared a three-story office building that was left conspicuously unfinished — the kind of structure favored by insurgents.</font><br />
<font color="#000000">This is the combination of Afghan and allied troops that the Obama administration and the government in Kabul say will assume an increasing share of the combat burden in Afghanistan as the NATO alliance <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/23/world/asia/23prexy.html?_r=0" target="_blank">gradually hands over responsibility for security operations</a> to Afghan troops.</font><br />
<font color="#000000">As other troops are withdrawn, <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/03/world/military-plans-broader-role-for-special-operations.html" target="_blank">Special Operations forces</a>are expected to make up almost one-third of the American military presence in Afghanistan by next February. Their specialty — advising local military units on the front lines and hunting down top insurgent or terrorist leaders — will become the major focus of the alliance’s effort here either until American troops are withdrawn by the target date of December 2014 or the Afghan government asks them to stay past then.  </font><br />
<font color="#000000">On any day in Afghanistan, about 60 Special Operations teams are working with Afghan local police forces to provide security in villages; 50 more are assigned to Afghan strike forces, including 9 commando battalions and special police units and 19 provincial response companies.</font><br />
<font color="#000000">The most elite units are housed at secret bases like this one, where assault helicopters stand by to carry them on their missions. Other commando battalions and provincial response companies are scattered among population centers and along the ring road linking Afghanistan’s major cities.</font><br />
<font color="#000000">For American commanders, the transition to Afghan leadership on security has been a challenge, requiring a sharp increase in the intensity of training.</font><br />
<font color="#000000">It has also required a significant reorganization of planning — and a change in the culture of American Special Operations forces, which, for the first time since the war began, answer to a single commander responsible for coordinating what had been separate, even conflicting, efforts.</font><br />
<font color="#000000">“The dirty little secret among S.O.F. is that we were competing among ourselves,” said Maj. Gen. Tony Thomas, the senior commander overseeing all American and allied Special Operations forces, or S.O.F., in Afghanistan.</font><br />
<font color="#000000">“We didn’t necessarily share information to the greatest extent possible,” said General Thomas, an Army Ranger with a long career in Special Operations. “It wasn’t about who got the credit or glory — but we were all so focused on our individual mission that we didn’t always synchronize the effort in the most efficient way for a common goal.”</font><br />
<font color="#000000">There have been times when one strike team was targeting a suspected insurgent without knowing that a training team was courting his close kinsman to raise a local police force from their home village.</font><br />
<font color="#000000">That began to change just under a year ago when General Thomas took charge of a new military organization here — the <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/05/world/asia/us-plans-a-shift-to-elite-forces-in-afghanistan.html" target="_blank">Special Operations Joint Task Force-Afghanistan</a>, making him, in essence, the first to lead a division-sized deployment of Special Operations forces. Under his command are all the various “tribes” of American Special Operations forces: Army Green Berets, Navy SEALs and Marine Corps Special Operations units, as well as the top-tier strike teams that hunt down or kill high-value terrorist and insurgent leaders.</font><br />
<font color="#000000">Senior officials say the new level of coordination has paid dividends in the form of initiatives like a centralized system for allocating drones, helicopters and airplanes that has allowed the 200 Special Operations aircraft to increase their sortie rate to 6,000 missions a month from 4,000.</font><br />
<font color="#000000">Even as the number of American troops will be cut in half from 68,000 by next February under President Obama’s withdrawal orders, the number of Special Operations forces will remain the same through the Afghan presidential election, which is scheduled for next spring, but could be delayed until closer to December 2014.</font><br />
<font color="#000000">While the bulk of the American and allied conventional forces remaining in Afghanistan will make the transition to a support role — and will be increasingly based at large military headquarters — the 10,000 American Special Operations troops will continue to be deployed alongside Afghan units. (Including NATO and coalition troops, the total Special Operations deployment here numbers 13,700.)</font><br />
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</div>More at the link: <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/15/world/asia/us-special-operations-step-up-in-afghanistan.html?ref=world&amp;_r=1&amp;" target="_blank">http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/15/wo...ef=world&amp;_r=1&amp;</a><br />
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Good luck to ANA and our remaining troops. Good to see progress albeit slower than expected.</div>

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			<title>Airstrikes in Nigeria Against Boko Haram Militants</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 17 May 2013 16:18:14 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>Casualties as military launch air strikes on Boko Haram strongholds
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KANO (AFP) – Nigeria’s military on Friday attacked Boko Haram Islamist strongholds across the northeast, launching deadly air strikes on insurgent camps, the military said, while residents reported that forces had deployed in border areas to block the militants from fleeing.
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Several thousand soldiers have spread across three northeastern states where President Goodluck Jonathan imposed a state of emergency after Boko Haram seized territory and declared war against the government.
Image: http://d12nfihn4mbl66.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Army1.jpg?119b56  (http://www.vanguardngr.com/2013/05/casualties-as-military-launch-air-strikes-on-boko-haram/army1-7/)Nigerian soldier, part of the “Operation Flush” patrolling in the remote northeast town of Baga, Borno State.

“There have been air strikes since Wednesday,” defence spokesman Brigadier General Chris Olukolade told AFP, specifying that they were continuing Friday.
“Every one of their strongholds is under attack,” he said, adding that he believed “there are a lot of casualties,” without providing a figure.
The offensive is ongoing in all three states put under emergency decree, including Adamawa and Yobe, but Borno state is expected to see the most intense fighting.
Many have warned that there is a risk of high civilian deaths and Nigeria’s military has been accused of massive rights violations in the past, including indiscriminate attacks on civilians.
The operation is the largest against Boko Haram since 2009, when soldiers flooded Borno’s capital Maiduguri, killing more than 800 people and forcing the insurgents underground for a year.
In the town of Gamburu Ngala on the border with Cameroon in northern Borno, residents said that heavily armed troops and tanks arrived on Wednesday, sealing off previously unmanned border posts.
Northeast Nigeria, the epicentre of the Boko Haram insurgency, has porous borders with Cameroon, Chad and Niger, with criminal groups and militants flowing freely between the countries.
“Since January the border posts have been abandoned…but now these posts have been taken over by soldiers,” said resident Haruna Garba.
Olukolade confirmed that forces had been sent to the region, but would not say whether the borders had been sealed.
Reports of Boko Haram’s presence in Cameroon first emerged in February, following the kidnap there of a French family visiting a game park near the Nigerian border.
The abduction was claimed by Boko Haram and the family was released in April.
Soldiers have surrounded the town of Krenuwa in Marte district, also in northern Borno and one of the areas where Boko Haram has taken power, chased away all government officials and removed Nigerian flags, residents said.
Abur Kullima told AFP Friday that he fled his home in Krenuwa in fear of the coming assault.
He said that after the state of emergency was declared in a national broadcast late Tuesday, Islamist gunmen began moving through the district trying to mobilise people “in preparation to face Nigerian troops.”
“I was so scared for my life and my family’s, which led me to decide to leave,” he told AFP from Gamburu Ngala, where he is staying with a friend.
Anyone who tries to leave Krenuwa is screened by the soldiers who have encircled the town, he said.
Boko Haram has become notorious for blending in with the local population, both in towns and major cities where they have carried out suicide bombings as well as gun and bomb assaults.
The group says it is fighting to create an Islamic state in Nigeria’s mainly Muslim north, but its demands have repeatedly shifted.
Some believe it has sought closer ties to foreign extremist groups like Al-Qaeda’s North Africa affiliate, but most analysts believe its agenda is primarily domestic.
Nigeria is Africa’s top oil producer but the population remains extremely poor and many of Boko Haram’s fighters are believed to be youths radicalised out of frustration with government corruption.
The conflict is estimated to have cost 3,600 lives since 2009, including killings by the security forces

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2013/05/casualties-as-military-launch-air-strikes-on-boko-haram/
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			KANO (AFP) – Nigeria’s military on Friday attacked Boko Haram Islamist strongholds across the northeast, launching deadly air strikes on insurgent camps, the military said, while residents reported that forces had deployed in border areas to block the militants from fleeing.
			
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			<font color="#000000"><span style="font-family: Georgia">Several thousand soldiers have spread across three northeastern states where President Goodluck Jonathan imposed a state of emergency after Boko Haram seized territory and declared war against the government.</span></font><br />
<div style="text-align: center;"><font color="#000000"><span style="font-family: Georgia"><a href="http://www.vanguardngr.com/2013/05/casualties-as-military-launch-air-strikes-on-boko-haram/army1-7/" target="_blank"><img src="http://d12nfihn4mbl66.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Army1.jpg?119b56" border="0" alt="" /></a>Nigerian soldier, part of the “Operation Flush” patrolling in the remote northeast town of Baga, Borno State.<br />
</span></font></div><font color="#000000"><span style="font-family: Georgia">“There have been air strikes since Wednesday,” defence spokesman Brigadier General Chris Olukolade told AFP, specifying that they were continuing Friday.</span></font><br />
<font color="#000000"><span style="font-family: Georgia">“Every one of their strongholds is under attack,” he said, adding that he believed “there are a lot of casualties,” without providing a figure.</span></font><br />
<font color="#000000"><span style="font-family: Georgia">The offensive is ongoing in all three states put under emergency decree, including Adamawa and Yobe, but Borno state is expected to see the most intense fighting.</span></font><br />
<font color="#000000"><span style="font-family: Georgia">Many have warned that there is a risk of high civilian deaths and Nigeria’s military has been accused of massive rights violations in the past, including indiscriminate attacks on civilians.</span></font><br />
<font color="#000000"><span style="font-family: Georgia">The operation is the largest against Boko Haram since 2009, when soldiers flooded Borno’s capital Maiduguri, killing more than 800 people and forcing the insurgents underground for a year.</span></font><br />
<font color="#000000"><span style="font-family: Georgia">In the town of Gamburu Ngala on the border with Cameroon in northern Borno, residents said that heavily armed troops and tanks arrived on Wednesday, sealing off previously unmanned border posts.</span></font><br />
<font color="#000000"><span style="font-family: Georgia">Northeast Nigeria, the epicentre of the Boko Haram insurgency, has porous borders with Cameroon, Chad and Niger, with criminal groups and militants flowing freely between the countries.</span></font><br />
<font color="#000000"><span style="font-family: Georgia">“Since January the border posts have been abandoned…but now these posts have been taken over by soldiers,” said resident Haruna Garba.</span></font><br />
<font color="#000000"><span style="font-family: Georgia">Olukolade confirmed that forces had been sent to the region, but would not say whether the borders had been sealed.</span></font><br />
<font color="#000000"><span style="font-family: Georgia">Reports of Boko Haram’s presence in Cameroon first emerged in February, following the kidnap there of a French family visiting a game park near the Nigerian border.</span></font><br />
<font color="#000000"><span style="font-family: Georgia">The abduction was claimed by Boko Haram and the family was released in April.</span></font><br />
<font color="#000000"><span style="font-family: Georgia">Soldiers have surrounded the town of Krenuwa in Marte district, also in northern Borno and one of the areas where Boko Haram has taken power, chased away all government officials and removed Nigerian flags, residents said.</span></font><br />
<font color="#000000"><span style="font-family: Georgia">Abur Kullima told AFP Friday that he fled his home in Krenuwa in fear of the coming assault.</span></font><br />
<font color="#000000"><span style="font-family: Georgia">He said that after the state of emergency was declared in a national broadcast late Tuesday, Islamist gunmen began moving through the district trying to mobilise people “in preparation to face Nigerian troops.”</span></font><br />
<font color="#000000"><span style="font-family: Georgia">“I was so scared for my life and my family’s, which led me to decide to leave,” he told AFP from Gamburu Ngala, where he is staying with a friend.</span></font><br />
<font color="#000000"><span style="font-family: Georgia">Anyone who tries to leave Krenuwa is screened by the soldiers who have encircled the town, he said.</span></font><br />
<font color="#000000"><span style="font-family: Georgia">Boko Haram has become notorious for blending in with the local population, both in towns and major cities where they have carried out suicide bombings as well as gun and bomb assaults.</span></font><br />
<font color="#000000"><span style="font-family: Georgia">The group says it is fighting to create an Islamic state in Nigeria’s mainly Muslim north, but its demands have repeatedly shifted.</span></font><br />
<font color="#000000"><span style="font-family: Georgia">Some believe it has sought closer ties to foreign extremist groups like Al-Qaeda’s North Africa affiliate, but most analysts believe its agenda is primarily domestic.</span></font><br />
<font color="#000000"><span style="font-family: Georgia">Nigeria is Africa’s top oil producer but the population remains extremely poor and many of Boko Haram’s fighters are believed to be youths radicalised out of frustration with government corruption.</span></font><br />
<font color="#000000"><span style="font-family: Georgia">The conflict is estimated to have cost 3,600 lives since 2009, including killings by the security forces<br />
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<a href="http://www.vanguardngr.com/2013/05/casualties-as-military-launch-air-strikes-on-boko-haram/" target="_blank">http://www.vanguardngr.com/2013/05/c...on-boko-haram/</a><br />
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8 years...
He only got 8 years for stabbing and killing this Soldier.



I apologise if there is already a thread about this.


Rest in Peace.</description>
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8 years...<br />
He only got 8 years for stabbing and killing this Soldier.<br />
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Rest in Peace.</div>

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			<description><![CDATA[*The owner of the land where the ***Yak-42 *crashed (Pilav mount in Trabzon, Turkey,** May 26, 2003), handed over the land as an inheritance, to the families of the victims*

Full article in spanish http://loquetengaqueser.blogspot.com.es/
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This is a Google translation, my English skills does not allow me to translate this full text :oops:, but I think this story deserves to be known.
I hope the translation is good enough.


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The families of the 62 soldiers killed in the crash of Yakovlev-42 occurred ten years ago on Mount Pilav of Trabzon (Turkey) have inherited the land where the event took place.

Fatma Karahan was the owner of the land where the plane crashed in an accident that killed 75 people, twelve crew Ukrainian, Belarusian and 62 Spanish one returning from their peacekeeping mission in Afghanistan.

Fatma had the farm 'Hasretlik kuzularim' five acres, within the Mount Pilav, that after his death at 82 years last January, a victim of cancer, inherited her husband beneficially, Abdülkadir Karahan, 86.

But before she died she wrote in her will that the land was donated after his death, families of the Spanish soldiers. In his last moments of life, relate, watched from his window to the ground where soldiers died and cried remembering the tragedy experienced firsthand.


He remembered year after year, the families of the victims or Spanish authorities went to the place to celebrate their anniversary at the same place of the accident where a monument stands in his memory, and inside your property.

She said before he died: "I cry with them on this ground. The plane carrying the angels fell to my heart.'m Not going to sell my property, which for more than ten years I can not forget that his blood runs that land. Such was his tomb. My only wish is that anyone can come back to this earth, thanks to their families. "

Since that May 26, 2003 nothing was the same for Fatma, and the incident would mark his last days of life, they say. He recalled how "the ashes, in the mountains of Macka, flowed as if they were their children ... Every time I remembered he began to mourn."

Fatma, a mother of eight children, had to explain the first transfer of land to build the memorial monument. They accepted his decision. Years ago that receive high amounts of money to buy this land over 2,100 meters high. However, the old saying that money was only bread, and there had been too much blood spilled.

The elderly lived three miles from the crash site, but nevertheless regularly visited the site to lay flowers. Her husband, Abdülkadir Karahan, said: "It is Spanish families from their land grant as a good deed. Come to mourn. Here are the blood of these young and this is their place."

Now the husband has been implemented in the Turkish Finance Ministry stated by Fatma. The Ministry took over the land, which now must donate to the families of the victims by the Embassy of Spain, with which it already has contacted.

The news appeared last month in Turkish media crowd, and yesterday thanks to a contact at the embassy, &#8203;&#8203;the Association of Relatives of the Victims of the Yak-42 met this "beautiful gesture", which are deeply grateful.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div><b>The owner of the land where the </b><b><b>Yak-42 </b>crashed (Pilav mount in Trabzon, Turkey,</b><b> May 26, 2003), handed over the land as an inheritance, to the families of the victims</b><br />
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Full article in spanish <a href="http://loquetengaqueser.blogspot.com.es/" target="_blank">http://loquetengaqueser.blogspot.com.es/</a><br />
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This is a Google translation, my English skills does not allow me to translate this full text :oops:, but I think this story deserves to be known.<br />
I hope the translation is good enough.<br />
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			The families of the 62 soldiers killed in the crash of Yakovlev-42 occurred ten years ago on Mount Pilav of Trabzon (Turkey) have inherited the land where the event took place.<br />
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Fatma Karahan was the owner of the land where the plane crashed in an accident that killed 75 people, twelve crew Ukrainian, Belarusian and 62 Spanish one returning from their peacekeeping mission in Afghanistan.<br />
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Fatma had the farm 'Hasretlik kuzularim' five acres, within the Mount Pilav, that after his death at 82 years last January, a victim of cancer, inherited her husband beneficially, Abdülkadir Karahan, 86.<br />
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But before she died she wrote in her will that the land was donated after his death, families of the Spanish soldiers. In his last moments of life, relate, watched from his window to the ground where soldiers died and cried remembering the tragedy experienced firsthand.<br />
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He remembered year after year, the families of the victims or Spanish authorities went to the place to celebrate their anniversary at the same place of the accident where a monument stands in his memory, and inside your property.<br />
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She said before he died: &quot;I cry with them on this ground. The plane carrying the angels fell to my heart.'m Not going to sell my property, which for more than ten years I can not forget that his blood runs that land. Such was his tomb. My only wish is that anyone can come back to this earth, thanks to their families. &quot;<br />
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Since that May 26, 2003 nothing was the same for Fatma, and the incident would mark his last days of life, they say. He recalled how &quot;the ashes, in the mountains of Macka, flowed as if they were their children ... Every time I remembered he began to mourn.&quot;<br />
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Fatma, a mother of eight children, had to explain the first transfer of land to build the memorial monument. They accepted his decision. Years ago that receive high amounts of money to buy this land over 2,100 meters high. However, the old saying that money was only bread, and there had been too much blood spilled.<br />
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The elderly lived three miles from the crash site, but nevertheless regularly visited the site to lay flowers. Her husband, Abdülkadir Karahan, said: &quot;It is Spanish families from their land grant as a good deed. Come to mourn. Here are the blood of these young and this is their place.&quot;<br />
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Now the husband has been implemented in the Turkish Finance Ministry stated by Fatma. The Ministry took over the land, which now must donate to the families of the victims by the Embassy of Spain, with which it already has contacted.<br />
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The news appeared last month in Turkish media crowd, and yesterday thanks to a contact at the embassy, &#8203;&#8203;the Association of Relatives of the Victims of the Yak-42 met this &quot;beautiful gesture&quot;, which are deeply grateful.
			
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