Rick Santorum says the Dutch are killing the elderly: half of euthanizations forced

Did you know euthanasia isn't even legal in the Netherlands? If a doctor follows certain guidelines the justice department typically refrains from prosecuting, but it's still technically breaking the law.

And i thought our politicians where bad, none of ours even come close to this guys stupidity. Please vote for him Yanks so we can have some funny news again.

[QUOTE=Kaplanr;6040060]You're assuming the media knows where Dutchland is. Of course we all know it's near the Hollandaise.[/QUOTE]Stereotypes are not a good substitute for actual thinking.

[QUOTE=Mein Teil;6040621]Did you know euthanasia isn't even legal in the Netherlands? If a doctor follows certain guidelines the justice department typically refrains from prosecuting, but it's still technically breaking the law.[/QUOTE]

You're not actually trying to speak sense into these folks, right?...

[QUOTE=Mujo2000;6040596]When I heard Rick telling the story, I chuckled. Then I heard all the gasps in the crowd and realized that they are actually believing that ****. Than I wept.[/QUOTE]

He just had a speech around where I live. Front page news in the papers stating that he received cheers and applause from the audience. I try to tell myself that only brainwashed idiots go to these sort of things so it shouldn't bother me...I almost convince myself sometimes.

[QUOTE=Henry's Fork;6040484]You left out the ovens. The ones macs lent you.[/QUOTE]

Brilliant. We've finally singled out the connection to Germany. Now let Rick Santorum talk about us, I say!

[QUOTE='[WDW]Megaraptor;6040353']Maybe you guys should do actual research on candidates, their government philosophies and their platforms instead of spouting off on forums about whatever sensationalist media BS you read on the internet.[/QUOTE]

You mean media BS such as Rick Santorum telling an audience bs crazy lies while hearing said audience believing him? It's not my fault his brain functions like a white version of an Iranian mullah.

[QUOTE='[WDW]Megaraptor;6040353']Maybe you guys should do actual research on candidates, their government philosophies and their platforms instead of spouting off on forums about whatever sensationalist media BS you read on the internet.[/QUOTE]
I dont read youtube videos.

Also, I starting to truly belive some GOP candidates are on Obamas payroll. Anyone so far in the GOP race can't possibly be that retarded. It's not 'nutty'. It's not a 'brain fart'. It's f.u.c.k.i.n.g. [B]retarded[/B] to claim Netherlands euthanized 10% of all of it's deceased, and to top it off - 50% of them was forced upon elderly who didn't want to go.

Dear lord I wish Romney wins the GOP race.

And, yes, this is me stating an opinion on american politics. Not my intention to offend someone.

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[QUOTE=JUNKHO;6040488]Could we get an elderly Dutch person to post a thought on this?[/QUOTE]

Hendrikje Van Andel-Schipper; " I don't think I will need it, I'm not done yet"

When asked how she became so old, on her 110th birthday, she replied; "don't stop breathing".

At the age of 82 she decided to donate her body to science when dead. She eventually succombed to gastric cancer at the age of 115 years and 62 days.


[SIZE=1]( and as I'm considered as ' old' by some here is my opinion: When the time comes I will step out on my own terms, because in the Netherlands I can)[/SIZE]

I still think they're going to roll out Palin in another month and we're all going to think she's the Einstein of the GOP and Queen of MENSA all rolled into one.

[QUOTE=Dirtydiaper;6041057]I dont read youtube videos.

Also, I starting to truly belive some GOP candidates are on Obamas payroll. Anyone so far in the GOP race can't possibly be that retarded. It's not 'nutty'. It's not a 'brain fart'. It's f.u.c.k.i.n.g. [B]retarded[/B] to claim Netherlands euthanized 10% of all of it's deceased, and to top it off - 50% of them was forced upon elderly who didn't want to go.

Dear lord I wish Romney wins the GOP race.

And, yes, this is me stating an opinion on american politics. Not my intention to offend someone.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=tercio67;6041120][SIZE=1]( and as I'm considered as ' old' by some here is my opinion: When the time comes I will step out on my own terms, because in the Netherlands I can)[/SIZE][/QUOTE]
One could say you'll go out with a BANG?

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[QUOTE=tercio67;6041120][SIZE=1]( and as I'm considered as ' old' by some here is my opinion: When the time comes I will step out on my own terms, because in the Netherlands I can)[/SIZE][/QUOTE]

You'd better watch your back, tercio.. These syringe-wielding euthanasists of death may just wait for you around the next corner!

[QUOTE=Dirtydiaper;6041143]One could say you'll go out with a BANG?[/QUOTE]

More like 'up in smoke'.

[QUOTE=Steak-Sauce;6041150]You'd better watch your back, tercio.. These syringe-wielding euthanasists of death may just wait for you around the next corner![/QUOTE]

Not to worry, I have an armband ....

Personally I think any society that euthanizes old people as if they were sick puppies is disgusting and I will vote for anyone who opposes the practice, even if they exaggerate things.

[QUOTE='[WDW]Megaraptor;6041159']Personally I think any society that euthanizes old people as if they were sick puppies is disgusting and I will vote for anyone who opposes the practice, even if they exaggerate things.[/QUOTE]

Personally I think you need to activate your brain before posting. But on the other hand maybe you are quite comfortable with people handing you your opinions.

Either way, you are free to do as you wish. But I'd advise you to make sure that your wishes are your own.

[QUOTE='[WDW]Megaraptor;6041159']Personally I think any society that euthanizes old people as if they were sick puppies is disgusting and I will vote for anyone who opposes the practice, even if they exaggerate things.[/QUOTE]
Don't hesitate to give us a notice once you find one.

[QUOTE='[WDW]Megaraptor;6041159']Personally I think any society that euthanizes old people as if they were sick puppies is disgusting and I will vote for anyone who opposes the practice, even if they exaggerate things.[/QUOTE]

We do NOT just euthanize old people. As I said before, my paralyzed grandmother, confined to her wheelchair, does NOT wear a 'do not euthanize' bracelet. The other one did not wear such a thing even when she was in the terminal stage of lung failure. I was personally involved in a euthanasia case which was completely voluntary. One of my grandfathers had colon cancer which had spread to the rest his body. He was terminal, and in the last stages of the disease, after extensive surgery and chemo had failed to resolve the situation. He requested a lethal injection, completely of his own free will, and I can assure you he was in complete posession of his mental faculties when he made the request. He was a protestant christian who voluntarily ended his life before that insidious disease took it from him, and it is probably the bravest thing i've ever seen someone do. The fact that the religiously orthodox feel the need to deny people ownership of their life is personally offensive to me. I won't have mongs like Santorum dishonour my grandfather's memory.

I am willing to enter a debate with anyone, provided they can put forward argumentation for or against anything based on facts, and in this case, statistics. So far you've only posted an article, or rather a column working with data from the 90's we aren't even sure are actually correct, so lacking in proper sourcing my professors would have had my ass for it, had I written it.
I would be willing to accept the Dutch euthanasia legislation being out of control if someone was to put forward convincing factual data pointing this out, but so far nobody, wether they are Dutch or not, has proven beyond reasonable doubt that there are structural issues with the Dutch system that cause the involuntary euthanasia of people in the order of magnitude put forward by your 'sources'. Are there issues? Of course there are. Could legislation be more clear? Of course it could. However, the decision is still with the patient, or in case of incapacitation, with their family. If there truly was such a thing as an out of control euthanasia machine, don't you think legislators would have done something about it? Especially with a nominally Christian party(Christian Democrats) in the ruling coalition?

[QUOTE=Dirtydiaper;6041169]Don't hesitate to give us a notice once you find one.[/QUOTE]

Those evil eskimos maybe?

I think one needs to pay no more attention to what Rick Santorum thinks then to a mentally retarded person. You just pat him on the head, smile and make cooing sounds.

I've been to Holland many times. There is a lot the US can copy from that country to improve itself.

[QUOTE=NPFF;6041343]I've been to Holland many times. There is a lot the US can copy from that country to improve itself.[/QUOTE]
Oh for crying out loud.

[QUOTE=Dirtydiaper;6041347]Oh for crying out loud.[/QUOTE]

Have you been to Holland?

The absolute inability of much of the US public to admit that somebody else might do something better than they do and the absolute inability to comprehend that their system might not be the best is part of the problem.

[QUOTE=JCR;6041364]The absolute inability of much of the US public to admit that somebody else might do something better than they do and the absolute inability to comprehend that their system might not be the best is part of the problem.[/QUOTE]

I'd agree with that.

[QUOTE=JCR;6041364]The absolute inability of much of the US public to admit that somebody else might do something better than they do and the absolute inability to comprehend that their system might not be the best is part of the problem.[/QUOTE]

Bingo. There is nothing special about America or Amricans. They are human beings just like everyone else, not a chosen race. Sometimes other countries do have better ideas. A smart man looks at everything and picks the best.

[QUOTE=Corrupt;6041376]I'd agree with that.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NPFF;6041381]Bingo. There is nothing special about America or Amricans. They are human beings just like everyone else, not a chosen race. Sometimes other countries do have better ideas. A smart man looks at everything and picks the best.[/QUOTE]
I would recommend growing a mullet and joining the winning side!woot

[QUOTE=shermbodius;6041384]I would recommend growing a mullet and joining the winning side!woot[/QUOTE]

I'd rather not look like my dad in his youth :|.

[QUOTE='[WDW]Megaraptor;6041159']Personally I think any society that euthanizes old people as if they were sick puppies is disgusting and I will vote for anyone who opposes the practice, even if they exaggerate things.[/QUOTE]
Well that's logical. Weren't you the same one defending Michele Bachmann when she was still running and saying crazy sh*t? I get the impression you'll vote for anyone.

[ATTACH=CONFIG]173285[/ATTACH] Sorry, any chance to post CJ's girl is too much to resist!:-D

[QUOTE=ofpbhd;6041393]Well that's logical. Weren't you the same one defending Michele Bachmann when she was still running and saying crazy sh*t? I get the impression you'll vote for anyone.[/QUOTE]

I don't get my political opinions from message boards...

Also, I might vote for Obama over Ron Paul.

I'll take that as a yes.

[QUOTE=JCR;6041364]The absolute inability of much of the US public to admit that somebody else might do something better than they do and the absolute inability to comprehend that their system might not be the best is part of the problem.[/QUOTE]

Unfortunately you are right. I once made a passing remark to a conservative friend about how it would be cool if we had a bullet train system so I could travel long ways without paying so much for gas and she immediately started smugly proclaiming how there was an accident in China with their high speed rail trains (and therefore high speed rail sucks).

I don't know if all 57 states are going to vote for Santorum though... You might not have to worry too much.

[QUOTE=Euroamerican;6042213]I don't know if all [B]57[/B] states are going to vote for Santorum though... You might not have to worry too much.[/QUOTE]

Wait, what?

[QUOTE=RSone;6042215]Wait, what?[/QUOTE]

It's a long way to go.

I was taught there are 50?

[QUOTE=RSone;6042250]I was taught there are 50?[/QUOTE]


That's right.

[QUOTE=Dankster;6041455]Unfortunately you are right. I once made a passing remark to a conservative friend about how it would be cool if we had a bullet train system so I could travel long ways without paying so much for gas and she immediately started smugly proclaiming how there was an accident in China with their high speed rail trains (and therefore high speed rail sucks).[/QUOTE]

There are a myriad of reasons why high speed rail is not a good idea for most of the USA.

[QUOTE=RSone;6042215]Wait, what?[/QUOTE]

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