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[Wolfpack]

Hmmm!!!?
I wonder who might have started this nasty rumor about their own country? I would sure hate it to have been someone on this site, especially a Mexican and one who even works in the Mexican government of sorts (according to him). Could it be someone who also appears on another forum and also spends most of his time bitching about his own country on it (except for the air force, he likes planes... even very old ones) ? Could it be someone by the name of cuatro patadas?

Here is something for you. This was no rumor.
If you have a far better qualificaton than this guy, wich of course you don´t, please do all us a favor and tell us the truth, other wise, you know what to do.

I quote

HK, have accused Mexico of copying the G36V design for the FX-05. In fact, they threatened to take the case to international tribunals, and demanded that Mexico destroy the FX-05 and pay damages to HK.

And I also recomend you to read twice the oficial document before you replicate, it clearly says about "problems" with the rifle. So this means that I was right and you were wrong, and the proofs are there, 2 of them. Sorry but it´s completley undeniable to say that it was a rumor even when you try to bother me, but I´m not mentaly five and I´ll alway be above this kind of provocations, so try something else.

Look, If you want to come down on me at least be informed to give it a try mate. This is reality, sometimes is bitter but I think you can handle it. You can be as nationalist as you want, it´s OK, but this doesn´t mean we all should be, and far more important: nationalist don´t hold the absolute true nor any one else, you should be smart enough to accept critics and bad news instead of hiding them from foreigners or nationals witha chidish argument as "your are malinchista" "you bitch arround the armed forces"

Well twice I ´ve been treated that way and both I was right in the end and I gave proofs with the Flankers, were you all called me a liar and a malinchista, and now with this isue history repeats again. Perhaps next time you should learn to open yourself to diferent ideas and to other lines of thinking, cause you knoe there are others, and the posibility that things may go wrong in the army and governament. This doesnt means that the guys in charge at the governament are inmune to do wrong desitions and stupidity from time to time, as shoking as it may be to you. You´ll have to be a lot more respectufull and tolerant with those who think diferent, even if you don´t like it. Specially when I havent offended you in any way.

And this was the case, it´s undeniable, the good in it is that it wasovercomed with benefit on both parts.

now, Would you focus on the thread and not in me?

Column 031207 Wall




Monday, March 12, 2007



The Mexican Army and its Controversial New Rifle


By Allan Wall



The massive military parade held on Mexican Independence Day (September 16) is an annual tradition. In September of 2006, it provided the opportunity to showcase Mexico’s new FX-05 “Xiuhcoatl” assault rifle. At the parade, soldiers of the Special Forces Airmobile Group, or GAFE (the acronym for Grupo Aeromóvil de Fuerzas Especiales), carried the FX-05. (See Wikipedia photo.)



The new rifle’s name “Xiuhcoatl” means “Fire Serpent,” coming from Nahuatl, the language spoken by the Aztecs and other related groups. The “fire serpent” was a ferocious Aztec mythological creature, and on the famous Aztec disc monolith called the “Sun Stone” the entire circular design is enclosed by two flaming “fire serpents.”



The FX-05 Xiuhcoatl was designed and manufactured in Mexico, by the Dirección General de Industria Militar del Ejército (the Mexican military’s industrial arm). The weapon is to be gradually phased into Army units, replacing the currently employed G-3 (manufactured in Mexico under license from the German arms company Hechler and Koch).



The FX-05 utilizes a 5.56 x 45 mm NATO round, and is gas operated with a rotating bolt. Its rate of fire is 750 rounds per minute. Effective range is 200 to 800 meters (using the sight marks), and it’s fed with a 30-round detachable box magazine or a 100-round drum magazine. The rifle has mechanical, telescopic and red-dot sights.



The FX-05 receiver is made of carbon fiber reinforced polymer, and the barrel of advanced resistant stainless steel.


The new weapon has been fraught with controversy. There is no doubt that the FX-05 is based on Hechler and Koch’s G-36V, which is not surprising. Since ancient times military technology has been based on the adaptation and modification of earlier-existing military technology. But there are adaptations and then there are unauthorized copies, a form of industrial piracy.



The German government and Heckler and Koch, HK, have accused Mexico of copying the G36V design for the FX-05. In fact, they threatened to take the case to international tribunals, and demanded that Mexico destroy the FX-05 and pay damages to HK.



(This sort of thing happens from time to time in the arms industry. For example, Colt, the U.S. arms manufacturer that makes the M-4 — the rifle my unit used when we were in Iraq, threatened to sue HK, claiming that the HK M4 rifle was a copy of the Colt M-4. Eventually the charge was dropped, on the grounds that they look similar but are different on the inside, and on condition that HK would change the name from HK-4 to HK 416.)


As a result of the German threat, in November of 2006 Mexico stopped manufacturing the new rifles.



There was also political fallout. General Alfredo Oropeza, who ran the Dirección General de Industria Militar del Ejército was considered the frontrunner to be President Felipe Calderon’s Secretary of National Defense. But because of the FX-05 controversy, Oropeza was passed over in favor of General Guillermo Galvan.



On February 1, 2007 a meeting was held in Mexico City, attended by representatives of the Mexican Defense Ministry and Heckler and Koch. After an inspection and exhibition of the weaponry involved, the HK representatives decided that the FX-05 wasn’t a copy of the G36V and dropped the dispute.


So why did HK give in so easily?



It wouldn’t be Mexico without a conspiracy theory. One I ran across was that Heckler and Koch withdrew its threat in exchange for the chance to sell the G36V to Mexican police departments.



Anyway, since the FX-05 is no longer disputed by HK, the Mexican military-industrial complex was allowed to start cranking out FX-05 Xiuhcoatl rifles once again. As of February 18, 5,000 short versions of the rifle had been manufactured, and currently another 5,000 of the standard version are being assembled. So it’s a green light for the FX-05 Xiuhcoatl.



Switching from the G-3 rifle to the FX-05 means that the Mexican Army is changing from a 7.62 mm to a 5.56 mm round for its main assault rifle. The 7.62 mm round is right for an open battlefield situation, while the 5.56 mm is more suitable to close quarters urban combat, plus it weighs less so more rounds can be carried.



As the Mexican Army plays a key role in the government’s war on drug cartels, the FX-05 Xiuhcoatl is likely to get a lot of use in the future.



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Allan Wall, a MexiData.info columnist, recently returned from a tour of duty in Iraq. He currently resides in Mexico, where he has lived since 1991. He can be reached via e-mail at

As I said, it´s wonderfull, hope hear soon about of FRP.

By the way, I don't think that "we are fine in helicopters according to our own needs". That is pure b.s. You can never have enough helicopters. Come up north Wolfpack, to the largest state in the republic and look up at our skies for a day or two (or a hundred if you want) and tell me how many air force helicopters you see in that time. Then tell me that it is because we don't need helicopters up here for anything and I will give you a tour of the Sierra Tarahumara so you can see how many remote and unreachable places we have for enemies of the state to hide in.

Once again, your personal apreciation is just that, national policies whatever you like to call them BS or not, call for major concentration in the south.

You should read more how operations are carried, you just don´t fill the sky with helos looking under every rock just because you think so or see ghost enemies of the state. Dos ome research, and youll get to know why northern Mexico is not very much concentrated with helos or combat aircraft.

Operations happen in repsonse of events and the true need to have assets on location, you won´t set a squadron in the middle of the desert just to look out where there is nothing to look out, you set them where chances to use them are high and probable.
AF has right now an adequate number of helos in operational status according with its budget and comitments. Unless you´ll pay for them to be located near your house guarding desert and snakes off course or what ever you think might be "dangerous".

It´s not what you, me him or she thinks or likes, it´s what the country needs and can afford.

[gatomalo]

It´s not what you, me him or she thinks or likes, it´s what the country needs and can afford.

Very well put Wolfpack!! We would all love to see a bunch of Apache's and F-16's running around with "Fuerza Aerea Mexicana" on them, but we dont need that.

Let me ask you and the rest of the contributors to this thread that are more knowledgeable than I on these matters. How does the Mexican Constitution apply, if at all, to federal authorities intervening in local law enforcement, i.e. the war against Narco-terrorism. In other words, are soldiers allowed to effect arrest and detain suspects, or do they act as a back up force to local, state and federal law enforcement agencies?

[Wolfpack]

Yah well I´d like to see tanks, a lot more helos, to replace the old hardware at least, but it´s mu own apreciation, I know doesn´t get along with the policies.

A state that inhibits of the civil constitutional warranties has not been installed, therefore, martial law is not aplyable or in use so a soldier could not arrest any person, and have no powers over civilians and constitutional law.

But when suppot is needed by civil authoritis, or they do operations in this so called war, they do the CAPTURE when possible but always the oficial arrest and trails is made by civil law enforcement and law administrative personal wich are the authority that recives the prisioner.

[gatomalo]

Yah well I´d like to see tanks, a lot more helos, to replace the old hardware at least, but it´s mu own apreciation, I know doesn´t get along with the policies.

A state that inhibits of the civil constitutional warranties has not been installed, therefore, martial law is not aplyable or in use so a soldier could not arrest any person, and have no powers over civilians and constitutional law.

But when suppot is needed by civil authoritis, or they do operations in this so called war, they do the CAPTURE when possible but always the oficial arrest and trails is made by civil law enforcement and law administrative personal wich are the authority that recives the prisioner.

Then how does the use of force get approved? In other words, if there is a gunfight between soldiers and criminals, even though its in self defence because Im assuming the rules of engagement dictate that, is the ensuing investigation a civil criminal investigation or a military criminal investigation and whose authority supersedes whose?

[Wolfpack]

Then how does the use of force get approved? In other words, if there is a gunfight between soldiers and criminals, even though its in self defence because Im assuming the rules of engagement dictate that, is the ensuing investigation a civil criminal investigation or a military criminal investigation and whose authority supersedes whose?

Aprovved by the correspondent military chain of command, wich could be from the regional military commander up to the president deppending on urgency, national emergency, or national wide operations, or simply granting support for local law enforcement.

All criminal investigation is made by civil authorities, army has none power in such line, even whhen they take a part in the operation or did the fight, they always will deliever the prisioner to civil authorities, and civil authorities are the only ones who can process them.

Only if it´s own personal commit a crime, then theyre judge by a military court.

[Felix U. Gómez]

Dear Wolfpack:
I'm sorry if my dislike of you offends you (cuatropatadas), but that is how I feel about people like you and how I will continue to do so. You're a malinchista and a lambehuevos. You like others to like you based on the fact that you spend most of the time craping on your own country. I can understand how that might play well with so many of the anti-Mexico xenophobes on this site, but on this particular thread, you come across like sour milk and you are preaching to the wrong crowd.
Besides not being able to write well in English, apparently you can't read it very well either. So far, you have never presented any real proof to back your allegations that the FX-05 was a copy of the G-36V, and the articles that have been posted (the one you posted was posted by me first several months ago) all say that HK inspected copies of the FX-05 and withdrew their threats of lawsuits and claims that the SEDENA copied their rifle. So, no, you were not right and the rest of us were not wrong. Have the balls to admit your mistakes and stop throwing s**t at your own country.
I find it very curious that you kind of disappeared from this thread and site when Dragunov was unjustly banned, and then you come back when he comes back. Do you just do it to irritate the guy? Do you not have any friends, or do you have nothing else to do? I thought you claimed that you worked in San Lázaro, aren't you supposed to be working on the fiscal reform (which the country really needs and opposition legislators (bunch of f**ing cockroaches) keep stalling and postponing)?
Also, your claim about the helicopters is wrong. México does need more helicopters, you can never have enough, but you have the typical chilango mentality that if the center is covered then we're OK, the rest of the country doesn't matter. ¡Que se chingue la Provincia!, ¿verdad?
For example:
In 2005, when hurricane Stan hit southern México, and specially the state of Chiapas, hundreds of communities were left stranded, without communication and without food, including the southern most city of Tapachula. The government ordered every single helicopter at its disposal to do rescue and relief work, and guess what? All the air force's helicopters were not enough, and the government had to bring in all the navy's helicopters as well, and also those belonging to the Federal Electricity Commission (CFE), Pemex, and even those belonging to the Presidential Transport Squadron , among others. I even remember Televisa pitching in.
So don't tell me that I don't know what I'm talking about you dork. In the north we don't only have deserts, we have mountains and forests, where drug smugglers grow plenty of marijuana, and three thousand kilometers of border where weapons are smuggled into the country. You tell me that because you see helicopters flying around chilangoland that we don't need them up here, well then you are what Smurf One says you are.
Grow up and realize that México is not just México City, and that we don't all have the same perspective as you.

[Wolfpack]

Yeah Felix, whatever you say i´ts just ok.
As I keep telling you pal, focus on thread not in me.

[Felix U. Gómez]

I'll focus on whomever says bs about my country, and I will consider those that stick their necks out for its honor on this place as my allies and friends. You, unfortunatelly, do the first a lot, and have never done the second.

P.S. No es i'ts. Es it's.

[Wolfpack]

Damm I´m so worry about that. Hope I can sleep tonight. You act as if intolerance was a virtue. This is about Mexican armed forces, not about you watching or aproving others saying only what you like. Itsá sad way to be here.

Well, about our thread, A presidential sulation si comming Air force is doing some fast trainign this las days,a lot of low level flights, and some helos trainig on DNIII coordination. Hope to get back with news soon. Anouncements are expected, on US antidrug aid on Mexico this means hardware.

[Felix U. Gómez]

Ayyy!!! You called me intolerant, you're such a mean chilaquil!!! I'm so sorry you won't be able to sleep tonight, you Know-it-all Queen.
Why don't you actually make up for your high salary paid for by the Mexican people and actually do some work instead of wasting your time surfing the web you leach.
Now, I agree, let's get back to the thread. More stuff Dragunov please, after all you are the heart of this thread.

[Felix U. Gómez]

Well, about our thread, A presidential sulation si comming Air force is doing some fast trainign this las days,a lot of low level flights, and some helos trainig on DNIII coordination. Hope to get back with news soon. Anouncements are expected, on US antidrug aid on Mexico this means hardware.

What's does "sulation si comming" mean? Don't the computers at San Lazaro have spell check?
It's training, not tranig, and announcements, not anouncements.

[Wolfpack]

More stuff Dragunov please, after all you are the heart of this thread.

Certainly, I couldn´t posibly agree more, he doesa fine job here.

[Wolfpack]

http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=LWEqDJDEYK4

Heres is a post taken video on the Hip accident.

[Dragunov]

Dear Wolfpack:
I'm sorry if my dislike of you offends you (cuatropatadas), but that is how I feel about people like you and how I will continue to do so. You're a malinchista and a lambehuevos. You like others to like you based on the fact that you spend most of the time craping on your own country. I can understand how that might play well with so many of the anti-Mexico xenophobes on this site, but on this particular thread, you come across like sour milk and you are preaching to the wrong crowd.
Besides not being able to write well in English, apparently you can't read it very well either. So far, you have never presented any real proof to back your allegations that the FX-05 was a copy of the G-36V, and the articles that have been posted (the one you posted was posted by me first several months ago) all say that HK inspected copies of the FX-05 and withdrew their threats of lawsuits and claims that the SEDENA copied their rifle. So, no, you were not right and the rest of us were not wrong. Have the balls to admit your mistakes and stop throwing s**t at your own country.
I find it very curious that you kind of disappeared from this thread and site when Dragunov was unjustly banned, and then you come back when he comes back. Do you just do it to irritate the guy? Do you not have any friends, or do you have nothing else to do? I thought you claimed that you worked in San Lázaro, aren't you supposed to be working on the fiscal reform (which the country really needs and opposition legislators (bunch of f**ing cockroaches) keep stalling and postponing)?
Also, your claim about the helicopters is wrong. México does need more helicopters, you can never have enough, but you have the typical chilango mentality that if the center is covered then we're OK, the rest of the country doesn't matter. ¡Que se chingue la Provincia!, ¿verdad?
For example:
In 2005, when hurricane Stan hit southern México, and specially the state of Chiapas, hundreds of communities were left stranded, without communication and without food, including the southern most city of Tapachula. The government ordered every single helicopter at its disposal to do rescue and relief work, and guess what? All the air force's helicopters were not enough, and the government had to bring in all the navy's helicopters as well, and also those belonging to the Federal Electricity Commission (CFE), Pemex, and even those belonging to the Presidential Transport Squadron , among others. I even remember Televisa pitching in.
So don't tell me that I don't know what I'm talking about you dork. In the north we don't only have deserts, we have mountains and forests, where drug smugglers grow plenty of marijuana, and three thousand kilometers of border where weapons are smuggled into the country. You tell me that because you see helicopters flying around chilangoland that we don't need them up here, well then you are what Smurf One says you are.
Grow up and realize that México is not just México City, and that we don't all have the same perspective as you.

Amen!

You are the man bro.

[Felix U. Gómez]

That's sad, especially considering that it probably won't be replaced. Maybe they could take some tips from the Armada on how to fly and take better care of their Hips. As far as I know the navy has never lost a Hip and the air force has lost several and one Mi-26.