With a great participation the the now traditional National Tactical Teams Challenge 2007 was a succes once again.
And the first place was for the tactical team of the police department of Tijuana.
1er. Lugar POLICIA MUNICIPAL TIJUANA
2o. Lugar POLICIA MUNICIPAL LEON
3er. Lugar POLICIA MUNICIPAL QUERETARO
4o. Lugar GRUPO CEFOPOL
5o. Lugar POLICIA SAN FCO. DEL RINCON GTO.
6o. Lugar POLICIA ESTATAL PUEBLA
7o. Lugar POLICIA MUNICIPAL ZAPOPAN JAL.
8o. Lugar GRUPO ICAP DE TIJUANA.
Info/pics courtesy of www.policiasmexico.com
It says something about "the halls of Montezuma" or so. How typical, historicaly inaccurate and they can't even get the name right, it should be Moctezuma not Montezuma.Originally Posted by teutateswolf-n
It should be a few hours before some idiot comes by and says "well, that's just the way we say it over here".
I remember that the rank insignias that used to be worn on the shoulders had the color of the specific type of unit displayed over a black background. For example three red stripes over a black rectangle for an infantry sergeant, and so. However, it has been at least a decade since they went to a less visible olive drab color for the rank insignias worn on field uniforms (black eupalets are still seen on gala or dress uniforms). Soldiers also use to wear black caps, but that was back in the eighties at least. As for your question about wether units still have names like in the past, i.e. San Blás, Independencia, San Patricio, Libertad, etc. I'm pretty sure the answer is no, today they just go by numbers, such as 20th Motorized Cavalry Regiment, and so on. I hope this helps.
I found the following article on the FX-05. It reinforces what I said before at some point in that the FX-05 is not a copy of the HK G36 as had been said by many people in this and other forums. In all cases those that say so are individulas that can't believe that we can make our own weapons and must asume we have to copy or rip-off someone else's. However they say so with the backing of no official source, only rumours. The SEDENA has always claimed in official statements that it is of 100% Mexican origin. Here is the article:
Monday, March 12, 2007
The Mexican Army and its Controversial New Rifle
By Allan Wall
The massive military parade held on Mexican Independence Day (September 16) is an annual tradition. In September of 2006, it provided the opportunity to showcase Mexico’s new FX-05 “Xiuhcoatl” assault rifle. At the parade, soldiers of the Special Forces Airmobile Group, or GAFE (the acronym for Grupo Aeromóvil de Fuerzas Especiales), carried the FX-05. (SeeWikipedia photo.)
The new rifle’s name “Xiuhcoatl” means “Fire Serpent,” coming from Nahuatl, the language spoken by the Aztecs and other related groups. The “fire serpent” was a ferocious Aztec mythological creature, and on the famous Aztec disc monolith called the “Sun Stone” the entire circular design is enclosed by two flaming “fire serpents.”
The FX-05 Xiuhcoatl was designed and manufactured in Mexico, by the Dirección General de Industria Militar del Ejército (the Mexican military’s industrial arm). The weapon is to be gradually phased into Army units, replacing the currently employed G-3 (manufactured in Mexico under license from the German arms company Hechler and Koch).
The FX-05 utilizes a 5.56 x 45 mm NATO round, and is gas operated with a rotating bolt. Its rate of fire is 750 rounds per minute. Effective range is 200 to 800 meters (using the sight marks), and it’s fed with a 30-round detachable box magazine or a 100-round drum magazine. The rifle has mechanical, telescopic and red-dot sights.
The FX-05 receiver is made of carbon fiber reinforced polymer, and the barrel of advanced resistant stainless steel.
The new weapon has been fraught with controversy. There is no doubt that the FX-05 is based on Hechler and Koch’s G-36V, which is not surprising. Since ancient times military technology has been based on the adaptation and modification of earlier-existing military technology. But there are adaptations and then there are unauthorized copies, a form of industrial piracy.
The German government and Heckler and Koch, HK, have accused Mexico of copying the G36V design for the FX-05. In fact, they threatened to take the case to international tribunals, and demanded that Mexico destroy the FX-05 and pay damages to HK.
(This sort of thing happens from time to time in the arms industry. For example, Colt, the U.S. arms manufacturer that makes the M-4 — the rifle my unit used when we were in Iraq, threatened to sue HK, claiming that the HK M4 rifle was a copy of the Colt M-4. Eventually the charge was dropped, on the grounds that they look similar but are different on the inside, and on condition that HK would change the name from HK-4 to HK 416.)
As a result of the German threat, in November of 2006 Mexico stopped manufacturing the new rifles.
There was also political fallout. General Alfredo Oropeza, who ran the Dirección General de Industria Militar del Ejército was considered the frontrunner to be President Felipe Calderon’s Secretary of National Defense. But because of the FX-05 controversy, Oropeza was passed over in favor of General Guillermo Galvan.
On February 1, 2007 a meeting was held in Mexico City, attended by representatives of the Mexican Defense Ministry and Heckler and Koch. After an inspection and exhibition of the weaponry involved, the HK representatives decided that the FX-05 wasn’t a copy of the G36V and dropped the dispute.
So why did HK give in so easily?
It wouldn’t be Mexico without a conspiracy theory. One I ran across was that Heckler and Koch withdrew its threat in exchange for the chance to sell the G36V to Mexican police departments.
Anyway, since the FX-05 is no longer disputed by HK, the Mexican military-industrial complex was allowed to start cranking out FX-05 Xiuhcoatl rifles once again. As of February 18, 5,000 short versions of the rifle had been manufactured, and currently another 5,000 of the standard version are being assembled. So it’s a green light for the FX-05 Xiuhcoatl.
Switching from the G-3 rifle to the FX-05 means that the Mexican Army is changing from a 7.62 mm to a 5.56 mm round for its main assault rifle. The 7.62 mm round is right for an open battlefield situation, while the 5.56 mm is more suitable to close quarters urban combat, plus it weighs less so more rounds can be carried.
As the Mexican Army plays a key role in the government’s war on drug cartels, the FX-05 Xiuhcoatl is likely to get a lot of use in the future.
Source: http://mexidata.info/id1289.html
P.S. Dragunov: Have any new pictures of the rifle? Has it been seen deployed in the field yet?
Cause buissnes are buissnes, it´s better to reach a reasonable agreement and still doing buissnes than going to a legal battle full of expenses.So why did HK give in so easily?
Officially the rifle is a go, and "not a copy" off the record and extraofficially everybody knows that it is a product of piricy with some modifications, and some people in high ranks are being spanaked and some carrers may be over or dead ends over this dirty buissnes, and everybody knows from certain levels that an agreement was reached so everyone could settle and reach beneffits.
Thankfully Wolfpack my parents instilled in me a sence of patriotism and pride in my country and I don't share your malichista perspective. What do you mean by "everybody knows that it is a product of piricy" (I guess you meant piracy by that) I consider myself part of the collective and I sure don't share your belief in conspiracy theories. Tell me, do you also believe that the lunar landings never happened and that they were filmed in a studio? Because that is also a somewhat popular theory you know. Unless you have real documented proof or can give us pictures of the inner workings of an FX-05 next to those of of a G-36, I suggest you take your malinchismo to conspiracytheories.com. They would probably be more welcome there. I also don't understand your logic of "business are (is) business" if evidently HK is going to get to $ee nothing from the SEDENA, no right$ and no gun$, and won't even be $uing them for damages. They lost a client and that is all that officially, tangibly, in reality there is about it. Y san se acabó.
I thought you were a little more smart and critical, I still belive so, and I won´t ansewer the dumb half of your message cause I belive in respect among us.
But let me tell you this, and read well. I work at San Lazaro, I´m involved in this kind of issues from time to time. I´m here to share not to impose. When I say something I bother enough to write the words "off the record" if needed, so you and some others may take it with the suficient distance. This was the sad way this whole thing happened, unfortunatley for many the mexican rife was a damm modify copy from g36v.
The sad true behind many many many things behind the military aspects in Mexico are trully grotesque, most never reach the surface. Such it was and I´m not talking about conspiracy, I´m talking about corruption, miss management, ignorance amongst the military heads of international law and some other common human behaviour, nor being malinchista I´m a mature grown up, I´m far from being like that. I guess you do are.
Then you have the right to belive me or not, above all when I tag my info as off the record, it´s your right. So, don´t answer as a child if you don´t like what I say.
Last edited by Wolfpack; 04-02-2007 at 11:35 AM.
Felix. Just ignore this guy. He makes statements without any official bases, and thinks that only his words are valid. This is one of the reasons why I dont participate here like I used too. The fly always comes by to **** on people.
I hope the mods do something.
You are absolutely Dragunov, I shouldn't waste my time. It's simply that I've been reading his posts for the past several months and his unpatriotic attitude sickens me. I would have thought that the people that work in "San Lazaro" should be a little more patriotic and have better sense than to air dirty laundry in forums which are not the correct place to do so. No wonder that reforms that are vital towards the transformation of our nation are sitting there in the congeladora because selfish and stupid diputados would rather defend their particular interests than that of the common good.
Wolfpack: Maybe you are right in your statements, but the truth is that you have presented us with no real tangible proof except for to say that you "hear things" and that you are "connected." Well, that's wonderful, but that's not good enough for the rest of us Mexicans. Either present proof or please zip it. You might say that this is intolerant, but you are spewing a bunch of trash out here about your nation and making everyone look bad and if you are going to do that you better be prepared to defend you words. People like Dragunov, on the contrary try to educate others as to what is good in our nation (of which there are a great many things). I admire him for his tenacity, loyalty and patriotism. We don't need another
anti-mexican, there are already too many of those, and frankly I like to point my guns outwards not inwards.
P.S. If you work in San Lazaro, what are you doing wasting your time in front of a computer? Shouldn't you be working and earning our tax pesos?
So now he works in San Lazaro? Bull.
This dude is a lyer, in the real life this guy is a ''chef'', at least this is what he said in the Mexican armed forces( http://mxarmedforces.tk ) forum with the nickname of ''Cuatro PATADAS''. Just ask any of the people from the forum, which in by the way, nobody likes him neither.
It is so regretfull for you two to waste your time on me in such fashion, but it´s not a popularity contest, if you don´t like or belive what I say don´t buy it. I´m not holding a gun to your head for you to belive, or do I?
I don´t care if you belive me or not, that is not my goal, nor to be patriotic and HYPOCRITE by hiding what hapend behind the courtains in the false name of patriotism poor as it may be, and I´ll keep doing it because neither of you have the monopoly of writing in here. You shold learn to be tolerant cause
1 You know some people thinks diferent as you do.
2 That is not a rule in this forum, so sorry.
3 Some people have diferent points of view of the reallity and history, not only yours are the right ones.
4 That is not a rule in this forum, so sorry.
5 Free will and free of speach, I can say and do any opinion I want as far as I don´t brake forum law.
6 Sorry again.
So Please tell me why does MODS have to do something about me simply because you don´t like me or aprove the way I think?
I know what I say like the Flanker issue, some of us knew months ago this was not going to happen because of several irregularities in the end I was right, some kids in here isulted me and underestimate me, finally I was right.
So be clear, my goal is not to be patriotic, nor to satisfy you, (your not that important), being your frind, hide the dirty laundry, or fight you, neither to achive your aproval. Thing is simple: I´ll keep coming arround to participate,speak uncomfortable truths or whatever comes to hand always with respect. So be over with it, be grown, I´m shure you are one Felix.
This thread is about Mexican armed forces, not about me, can we please return to the matter at hand.
Last edited by Wolfpack; 04-03-2007 at 03:30 PM. Reason: spelling
Wolfpack are you Cuatro Patadas from the Mexican military forum, because I'm Stormshadow from the same forum.
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1 You know some people thinks diferent as you do.
2 That is not a rule in this forum, so sorry.
3 Some people have diferent points of view of the reallity and history, not only yours are the right ones.
4 That is not a rule in this forum, so sorry.
5 Free will and free of speach, I can say and do any opinion I want as far as I don´t brake forum law.
6 Sorry again.
So Please tell me why does MODS have to do something about me simply because you don´t like me or aprove the way I think?
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You used six points just to say one thing?: "I have a right to my own opinion."
Well, that is certainly true, to a certain extent of course, because this forum is not a democracy. The mods can do away with you without having to give you any explanations. But, let me just say that just as you have the right to express your opinions, we have a right to disagree with you and to let you know that we disagree with you. We also have a right to ask you for proof of your allegations, and I will advice you that if you want to win any arguments, you should have something to back up what you say. That is just a bit of sound advice for you, but if you indeed are CuatroPatadas, then I know that you have a pattern of saying things without having any backing. That, and being a poor patriot. I apologize if that offends you, but that is just the impression that you give me.
For shure but you ain´t the mods, and I havent broke any rule, I broke the rule of not being and think like you want to, wich is no big deal. Still you are the ones harassing me about that.The mods can do away with you without having to give you any explanations.
This is the fourth time I say such thing, But if I tag my info as off the record you can´t ask me for proofs, since I´m admiting from the beginig for a series of reasos, that my info is not oficial. It´s common journalist use of sources. And as far as I can recall I never failed to do so and you are not forced to believe it.we have a right to disagree with you and to let you know that we disagree with you. We also have a right to ask you for proof of your allegations
Ho and you are mistaken, I´m not here to compit or win arguments, you got the wrong focus.
And finally, I´m not 4 patadas, I am his brother, and that is a well known fact in mexican forums. And off course you don´t have to apologize for nothing, I can recognize true education and true critical focus, you shown us that right now. Lastly since I said all I have to I´shall not write nothing more on this matter until we retake the trhead.
Now he is saying that's his brother? Man, we have proven that this guy is such a lyar and a troll. He even sent me a message to my acount in MAF with not very good intensions, it was about one of the discussions we had in this forum. If you guys want to see it let me know.
**** off troll!
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