When you find this type of weaponry you know automatically that these guys have something to do with drug trafficking too. They usually get it from the USA.
Originally Posted by Createdeemcee
Vamos Mexico carajo!
Keep up the good work men.
not all good news, federal police officers in Tijuana where videotaped by CCTV accepting bribes.
good thing CCTV is being implemented in major cities so this behaviour does not go undetected
I gotta say something. First, I think the Mexican people are good people. That being said, for some reason, the Mexican army scares me. Maybe it was the video that showed the special forces marching in a way reminiscient of Nazi Germany. Not to say that they are doing so, but it is, to me, similar. Maybe its how the army is so readily used by the government in civil matters. I have never seen soldiers here in the US used in a police function and hope I never will. I imagine if I had trained with the Mexican army like I had with the Canadians, I would not have a sense of "not knowing" what their army thought of the US Army.
Maybe its because where I am, in the northeast, mexicans are viewed as kind of shady. THis is not a personal prejudice nor my personal view. Alot of us european decendents have a skewed view of mexicans and other latinos. Personally, I have always gotten along with all of them. There is something that I have noticed though. I think, and I could be wrong, but there is a resentment or anger just under the surface that is within them. In other words, these mexicans have a "prejudice". I could be way off. Its almost as if they want to work for money, but don't want to be here to get it. Maybe one of you guys from Mexico could tell me what Mexicans really feel about us norteamericanos.
Now, if I were Mexican, I would probably have a poor view of americans. I would think we were all fat, lazy, ugly people who throw money around and mess up other countries politics. If I saw an american, I would be nice to their face, but think they were stupid and arrogant. This all may be a world view of the USA. I know in Italy, Italians think these things, so Mexicans may think the same way.
I remember working with Mexican laborers and having a conversation with them. They were hard working but wanted to get home. I think that would be a heck of of feeling. Having to travel a long way to make money that you can't make in your own land. Plus, you have to work for americans whom you do not inherently like on the whole. This is just an observation I have noticed in my life.
One thing I noticed is that the USA is truly a world to itself. The world sport is soccer, but in the USA its football. Soccer in the USA in a professional sense, is non-existent. We use the english system of measurement and the majority of the world is metric. The US has gasoline cars whereby the majority of the world uses diesel. ANd a US citizen need only travel to Canada or Mexico to see the differences. Just a hop over the border and its like a different world.
Last edited by exarmyguard; 01-27-2007 at 08:28 PM.
WoW!! Fisrt of all THANK YOU. for been so honest about your view of Mexico and mexicans,i totally respect your comment and i can only welcome such constructive comments.
Originally Posted by exarmyguard
On the other hand your view of the Mexican Army,Well we do deploy them a lot to do other tasks such as police,or to help in natural disasters wich is not common in other countrys military,we think that the military is not corrupt as compared to local,state or federal police and sometimes they have been deploy for this purpose but in general, i agree with you there NOT POLICE ,i think its quite wrong,and i agree with you other countrys might see it a diffrent light then what we view it.
But is just human to see in our brother something that we think is totally wrong, with out even thinking we could be the same way.
For example you say you never seen the Military patroling in the U.S. well i just need to remind you not long ago the military guarding N.Y or i remember even seen Armour vehicules over the brooklyn bridge,or troops on the golden gate bridge in San Francisco or the Army patroling New Orleans because of mass looting.
I took a trip to L.A to visit i got off and in the airport it looked like Army base there were military with guard dogs all over the place, in my eyes it look like was in a war zone, that i have only seen in movies, but then again it might see the same way for americans if the get stop in a highway in Mexico by the Army to check there car,wich is understandeble for us because of its purpose and we as society agree that the law should be keept by all means.
I have never heard of a case in wich a American has been a target of the military just because hes here as a tourist or part of the one million americans that live in Mexico, on the contrary i have heard stories about how americans where surprised that they got help from the military,wich was in totall oposate of what there hollywood view had ever imagined,but dont get me wrong there m ight bee a storie here or there about something negative.
The Mexican Army wen they have been deploy out of Mexico has been only to help people in need i could not go in detail about it because i would need to number a lot off money,food,medacines,water,equipment, specialized rescue teams,doctores and many other efforts done by the Mexican military to help others i can only post this list of recent events in wich the Mexican army help with godwill and no hiden agenda,as you will notice its says Estados Unidos ,wich means the United States. you can click on any of them to see pictures. you will see that we like our neihgboors, for that matter if you click on HAITI you will see pictures of the Mexican Expedition from the Mexican Air Force to retrive 32 Mexicans that use to live in Haiti and we also rescue 16 Canadians.
[CENTER][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1][*******#006600]Ecuador[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1][*******#006600]Costa Rica y Nicaragua[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1][*******#006600]República Dominicana[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1][*******#006600]El Salvador (Feb. 2001)[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1][*******#006600]Belice[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1][*******#006600]Haití (Feb. 2004)[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1][*******#006600]República Dominicana (Jun. 2004)[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1][*******#006600]Haití (Jun. 2004)[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1][*******#006600]República de Jamaica[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1][*******#006600]Haití (Oct. 2004)[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]
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[CENTER][FONT=Arial]Mexican Army helping Hurrican Katrina victims.The Mexican army's mobile kitchen served 170,000 meals in 20 days [/FONT][/CENTER]
[CENTER]The Mexican flag flies over the Mexican army's encampment on Kelly USA, former site of Kelly Air Force Base, in San Antonio.[/CENTER]
The medical team comprised of three doctors, three dentists, three nurses and three paramedics, conducted 134 medical evaluations, performed 526 medical consultations, provided 363 ambulatory nursing procedures, and medically evacuated 83 personnel during their hurricane relief mission.
The Mexican Army's field kitchen, a tractor-trailer turned into a kitchen, served 170,000 meals during their deployment hee, the former Kelly Air Force Base. They also assisted in the distribution and management of more than 184,000 tons of supplies
The pictures and information above are only about the Mexican Army contribution,and is not mentioning the larger contribution of the Mexican Navy to the victims of Katrina or a small but benerable effort by the Mexican Air Force.
[CENTER][FONT=Arial]So i see no reason why you should compared the Mexican Army to Nazi Germany.[/FONT][/CENTER]
[CENTER][FONT=Arial]And in regards of you thinking that if you were Mexican you would[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]would have a poor view of Americans,well perhaps you truely dont know Mexican people, and i dont mean people who you meet in the U.S the Mexican who lives or emigrates to the states for some reason is totally difrent that Mexicans from Mexico.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]People in Mexico dont think poorly of Americans in general,they might view a small certain groups in the States pretty poorly but NOT the American People, one example that made me stop and think personally is after 9/11 i remember people praying in church for the well being of the U.S. and poor people speending there few pesos to buy candles of flowers ,my friend we dont hate you or have a hiden agenda,you might get that from some people in the States that claim the lost states are still ours and crap like that but again in Mexico people are very diffrent to what you have experince,people with education or lower to middle and upper class arround 50 million people wich more people then many countrys, we do NOT whant to go live in the States or work illegaly ,we do visit it and trust me we do spend our dollars bought with pesos in your country. Thank you for taking the time to read my point of view,and i offer you my friedship .GRACIAS[/FONT][/CENTER]
[CENTER][FONT=Arial]P.S. Ohh on the soccer deal well,soccer remains to be #1 sport in Mexico fallow by Baseball,Basquetball wich for the most part are american players,in my city Dennise Roadman played last year in our city team the Dragons..FUNNY HU?, BUT true, ...Oh and last but NOT least American Football wich has been played in Mexico for a long time,now theres even talks about a NFL team. just ask Dragunov to show you some pics, i think he plays here in Mexico. To bad my favorite sport dosent get televised..FEMALE MUD WRESTLING.!..LOL[/FONT][/CENTER]
Last edited by Aztec Eagle 201st; 01-28-2007 at 01:11 AM.
if you are refering to the way of marching, that is not actually copied from nazis, it is based on the Prussian example. Many armies of the world where influenced by the Prussian military tradition and created their armies along those lines. Same example goes for many navies based on the English navy model.
Originally Posted by exarmyguard
any immigrant from any country would rather be home and make good money but in reality there is no comparison with the US economy and what its job market can offer. most Mexicans see the US as the ideal , the american way of life as what they would like for themselves and for their country, specially when it comes to infrastructure.
Originally Posted by exarmyguard
[SIZE=5]What positive experience with the Mexican Army can be recounted?[/SIZE]
By Roberta Giesea < [*******#0000ff]firstname.lastname@example.org[/COLOR] >
The media exploits negative incidents that occur in Mexico so much it causes readers to become Mexiphobic at the worst and cautious at the least. There’s nothing wrong with caution but there is something wrong with generalizations that become as irrational and prejudicial as the feelings at a KKK meeting. Mexico is NOT all bad and should be considered a respected country with cultural beauty unique unto itself. I’d like to share positive current incidents that occurred in Baja California, Mexico where I reside.
This is a true story.
The following incident is so preposterous it could probably never be repeated:
Rose and Maurice, Canadian pilots with their own private airplane, whimsically decided to fly from Ensenada where they live to San Quintín, a three-hour car ride south, in order to eat lunch at the Old Mill Restaurant. When they flew over the Old Mill air***** they found it was marked with a big red X, indicating it was probably one of the small commercial air*****s closed by the Mexican government in order to control the drug trade.
Disappointed, they consulted their book to find five nearby air*****s located in the San Quintín area. They naturally flew to the closest one. Surprisingly, it turned out to be professionally paved, allowing for a very smooth landing with no problem. No problem, that is, until they stopped at the end of the landing *****.
Looking out the window, they nervously observed twenty gun muzzles aimed directly at them.
Army soldiers dressed in full military gear surrounded their plane. One asked, in perfect Spanish with an expression of incredulous disbelief, "Why did you land your plane in the Army air*****?" With heart thumping, Maurice answered honestly, "We want to have lunch at the Old Mill Restaurant." Suspicious and puzzled, the soldier led them to an official building where a man, who was obviously his superior, greeted them coldly with more questions.
His temperament warmed up as Rose complimented him on a big ruby ring he wore. After a cordial conversation, Maurice finally felt comfortable enough to ask, "Could you take us to a cab so we can go to lunch at the Old Mill Restaurant?" Smiling warmly, the officer answered, "Of course, my friend. Come with me." Rose and Maurice rode with him to the gate where all the guards immediately stood at attention and saluted. With the air of someone important, he saluted back.
At that moment they realized they were with an important man, the Commander of the entire base! After asking a younger soldier to take the visiting pilots to a cab, he waved farewell, turned toward the base and departed. Rose and Maurice sighed with relief as they entered the cab that took them to the Old Mill Restaurant for lunch.
The succulent food proved worthy of the effort made to obtain it. It was a delicious meal! After lunch the taxi returned the couple to the base without incident. Recognizing them as friends of the Commander, the guards allowed them to enter the gate. It was obvious a thorough searched had taken place inside the airplane while they were gone, probably for guns and drugs or maybe for a bomb, but they had nothing to hide so they didn’t mind. The Army had cordially hosted the errant pilots even though they had illegally intruded upon the base. Mexican hospitality, expressed by polite manners, effectively diffused a potentially dangerous situation.
Mexicans and American have alot more in common than one would think.
A lot of common values and norms.
Mexicans immigrants in the US today face the same challeneges as the Irish immigrants in the 19th century.
I often visit the Mission District in San Francisco. Since I speak the language and listen Spanish Radio I generally know what's going on.
- Predomniantly Roman Catholic in a Protestant world
- Arrived from a country with limited means and opportunity
- Discriminated and berated by the natives
- Did undesirable labor
- Away from family and friends
Here's the scoop:
The fact of the matter is that many undocumented migrants have not returned home in more than 5 years. In the past it was not uncommon to return home periodically with the pick up truck full of durable goods. And return to the US via the same "coyote".
Since the border has been sealed, many are unwilling to return to Mexico fearing that they are not able to cross over again. One migrant told me it took him several times to cross and each time he had to go deeper into the mountians and deserts.
This puts a tremendous amount of personal strain especially with the older migrants. Many are unable to attend funerals, tend to familiy affairs or deal with a wayward teenager. The younger migrants have a better time dealing with life in the US. Since many are unwilling to return to Mexico some have found American girlfriends or boyfriends. The ones who decided to stay will eventualy become Americans.
Next time when you work with your co-workers from Mexico, give them a six-pack at the end of the day, and you'll find out that they are no different than any American.
A million thanks for your replies! Just knowing you'd take the time to read what I typed and to respond is truly heartwarming.
Good point on our military being called up to assist the civil powers here in the USA. Though I believe it is mostly National Guardsmen who are utilized and not so much federal troops due to the Posse Comitatus act. In Mexico, as it is in most other countries, this seperation does not exist as you mentioned.
The Mexicans I know are the most hard-working people I have ever seen. They work hard and they go back to Mexico to spend their money on their families, which I admire. I wish I could do it as american money goes far there. What they like of me is that I know some Spanish and that I listen to what they have to say in a respectful way. They see I am genuinely interested in what they have to say and try to learn. I imagine its the same with all people in that their are prejudices, but they go away (at least on an individual level) once a personal dialogue is created. Myself, I have family in Argentina and it seems to impress latinos at some level.
My problem is the whole illegal immigration issue. Of course, it is not isolated to Mexicans nor South Americans. I know of a welder from Ireland who is here illegally, for example. This concern with illegal immigration is further agitated when you turn on the television and see people jumping a fence or crossing the open desert. One co-worker from El Salvador paid $3,000 to a coyote and crossed into Arizona with a 5 gallon water jug on his shoulder. Now that he is here, he works for whatever he can get. And, just like all the illegals I know, they work very hard. Immigration is so tragic, disorganized and patently unfair to people who come in legally. I know these people are not evil but I also know that among them are drug smugglers, terrorists and other criminals. The fault lies squarely on the shoulder of the US government and not with these people who are looking only to better themselves. Also, if the Mexican government took better care of its population, the crisis could be lessened.
As an aside, I can't think of anytime when the US military cooperated in same way as they do with the Canadian forces. I imagine this is due to the nature of NATO and the military excercises that focus on the NATO mission. Perhaps if their were more joint training in the desert border areas, their would be more familiarity there.
I do remember the help that Mexico provided during the hurricanes. That generated mixed feeling as I do recall. Guys like Lou Dobbs flipped out when he saw military trucks with Mexican flags draped on the cabs. He equated it to an invasion! This sort of rhetoric only fuels the fires of those who are concerned with immigration. I thought it was interesting in that I was unaware Mexico had an army!
PS. The Mexicans I work with LOVE Heineken beer and I have bought more then a few cases for my amigos and will buy plenty more in the future
Last edited by exarmyguard; 01-28-2007 at 09:12 AM.
Che Pive!!! (Argentine Expression)
I agree with you that the Mexican Government needs to do more in creating jobs. A major issue in Mexico is that there are major private - public business monopolies that prevent start-ups and small businesses.
Pemex, Telmex, Cruz Azul, Cemex and Bimbo are big conglomerates with little or no competitors.
For example: How can a local artisan baker can expand his product if Bimbo floods the market driving the prices down. The baker will head north.
Its similar to India 20 years ago. With Tata Corp. and Government regulation. Once the reins in India was loossened up, India began to thrive economically.
Mexicans can thrive and prosper liberal economy such as the United States. Go to LA and see many of the growing light industrial businesses and services sprouted from the garages and pick up trucks of Mexican laborers.
The energy and drive is there. The Mexican government needs to loosen up its rules and break up the monopolies.
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