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    I just found it and posted it. Cause we never see any articles from this side of the border on mainstream news. The question is what are both goverments doing to fight this problem in a two front war.


    There should be alot more cooperation between both countrys to cripple the cartels to were they dont have the influence and capability they now posses. The reason the cartels are so powerful is that both nations ignored them for to long and now both sides are paying the price.

    A sad truth.

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    The US media, does what they think the American people want to hear about, or they need to hear about. I wish they (the media) would do more. The men and women in the Mexican military and LE are doing one hell of a great job, under extremely taxing situation.

    You have to admire them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfpack View Post
    Sadlly is not only he, he presented a doc made by his ofice, he didnt type nothing, and finally im shure they well know what they were asking, I mean and I quote him "the F17 fighter" is abvbailable everywhere right sasori? obviosly as you say they know what they were saying....

    The general may ask for satellites and carries, the truth is we dont need them on urgency.

    Use comon sense. You speak about mexico, well try to catch on on the needs of the country.
    Of course Mexico doesn't need aircraftcarriers, nor military satellites, but is really frustating hear that the military or air force it's ok. What if Galvan ask for 100 MBT?, they will denegate anyhow, what we are saying is that the army needs an upgrade, not fancy upgrade. If anybody desagree with that perception, well, then we have the army that we deserve.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfpack View Post
    Maybe you should inform yourserlf on how the process is done, Gral Galvan opffice issued a doucment, over claimng a lot of things that are not even near being acurate, for example again, f-17 fighters???? why? to draw attention, and it didnt worked in the end.

    The one that handle the true desition are the senators and deputies at the defense comisions, most former military, they based their analisis on lot more reliable and political, economical sources, rather than the only military unacurate on SEDENA, they are the ones that set were mexicaa defense aims, SEDENA obeys them since they are the representation of people. If they do not regard air defense as prioritary well, too bad.

    Im worried about the f5 going into their 30s without any major improvement or replacement, but I also admit thet there aint no urgen and vital need to replace them at present. And yeah, maybe me and my brother will be involved in the new scheme, and Ill post the pictures for you to enjoy with pleasure.
    Yeah, but it not only new new fighters that Mexican Air Force wants, but also new radar stations and air defense networks around Mexico. These are really crucial for Mexico airspace and security for the future. General Galvan probably meant F/A-18 when he said F-17 even though there was a YF-17 which was made by Northrop in the mid 70's to compete against the General Dynamics YF-16 during the USAF Lightweight Fighter (LWF) program, but it lost to the YF-16.

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    Shadow storm you might know something about this. I heard a rumor a while back that Mexico was going to acquire some Spike anti tank missiles from Israel. Do you know if that true.

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    Yeah, I heard that rumor before, but I believe it got disproved though.

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    no why would they do that. Its an extremely good weapon and effective. I have to say Isarael makes good weapondry.

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    I wish it was true though and it is a good weapon what I heard. One thing I would like to know is Mexico new airburst grenade launcher the RSE-7.

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    Most likely its a license copy of m 203 or so. Or the one that Germany desgined for the G36. Are there any indications of Mexico getting any new Eurocopters next year in the budget.

    Especially the Attack helos.

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    What I was reading, it a programmable grenade launcher which fires a fires a fuel-air grenades. I also was reading that Mexican Army is proposing Land Warrior type concept in the near future with the FX-05 as it's main battle rifle, but I forgot were I readed it though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowstorm View Post
    Yeah, but it not only new new fighters that Mexican Air Force wants, but also new radar stations and air defense networks around Mexico. These are really crucial for Mexico airspace and security for the future. General Galvan probably meant F/A-18 when he said F-17 even though there was a YF-17 which was made by Northrop in the mid 70's to compete against the General Dynamics YF-16 during the USAF Lightweight Fighter (LWF) program, but it lost to the YF-16.
    The YF-17 is the original F-18. When the USAF chose the YF-16, the Navy felt that Northrop's design had merit and chose it as their next multi-role platform for both themselves and the Marines. It has gone on to equip many other air arms including the Australians, Canadians, Spanish and Swiss(While were on the topic of the Swiss, half of their combat squadrons are euipped with Hornets and the other half with F-5's. Just FYI.) It has now morphed into the Super Hornet which is substantially bigger, heavier, more expensive and far removed from the original YF-17.

    One thing that everyone seems to be forgetting when the discussion of new fighters is brought up, that I agree are very much so in need, but not at the top of the list, is the other support network that is going to be needed for these fighters to be effective. We will need lead in fighter trainers so that our pilots can fly these new planes. The stuff that we would more than likely be considering is dramatically more sophisticated then what our pilots are capable of dealing with right now. You can depend on the host nation to train your crew, but this can have drawbacks politically. We will also need tankers and the associated training, C3I aircraft in far greater numbers than the 3 EMBRAER or 3 Hawkeyes that we currently have and training for them.

    To effectively upgrade our air defense network would run well into the BILLIONS of dollars for what seems to be just keeping up with the Chavez' of the world. Effective use of our defense budget, since it is so small as has been pointed out, is of the upmost importance. The reality is that no other country in the world has in the recent past, present or forseeable future made any substantial threats to Mexico. And if the Russians decided that they where going to threaten the US through Mexico, one or two squadrons of anything that we might be able to get our hands would not be a match for their numerical superiority.

    FAM roundels on some Falcons would be great, but I would much rather see better pay and equipment for the grunts fighting the real battle in Mexico. Better training, equipment, pay and support for our cops, soldiers, sailors and airmen will go alot further to win Mexico's war on narco terrorism, which is Mexico's one and only threat to national security, than a handful of fighter planes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gatomalo View Post
    The YF-17 is the original F-18. When the USAF chose the YF-16, the Navy felt that Northrop's design had merit and chose it as their next multi-role platform for both themselves and the Marines. It has gone on to equip many other air arms including the Australians, Canadians, Spanish and Swiss(While were on the topic of the Swiss, half of their combat squadrons are euipped with Hornets and the other half with F-5's. Just FYI.) It has now morphed into the Super Hornet which is substantially bigger, heavier, more expensive and far removed from the original YF-17.

    One thing that everyone seems to be forgetting when the discussion of new fighters is brought up, that I agree are very much so in need, but not at the top of the list, is the other support network that is going to be needed for these fighters to be effective. We will need lead in fighter trainers so that our pilots can fly these new planes. The stuff that we would more than likely be considering is dramatically more sophisticated then what our pilots are capable of dealing with right now. You can depend on the host nation to train your crew, but this can have drawbacks politically. We will also need tankers and the associated training, C3I aircraft in far greater numbers than the 3 EMBRAER or 3 Hawkeyes that we currently have and training for them.

    To effectively upgrade our air defense network would run well into the BILLIONS of dollars for what seems to be just keeping up with the Chavez' of the world. Effective use of our defense budget, since it is so small as has been pointed out, is of the upmost importance. The reality is that no other country in the world has in the recent past, present or forseeable future made any substantial threats to Mexico. And if the Russians decided that they where going to threaten the US through Mexico, one or two squadrons of anything that we might be able to get our hands would not be a match for their numerical superiority.

    FAM roundels on some Falcons would be great, but I would much rather see better pay and equipment for the grunts fighting the real battle in Mexico. Better training, equipment, pay and support for our cops, soldiers, sailors and airmen will go alot further to win Mexico's war on narco terrorism, which is Mexico's one and only threat to national security, than a handful of fighter planes.

    i completly agree with the fact that pay needs to be increased and all around new equipment. We may not need top of the line fighters as a neccesity but we better off if there was an intergreaded air defense system.

    At least a good amount of radar and tracking stations all around the country. And at least have some MANPADS with SAMS for the ARMY.

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    To be honest I doubt mexico will get any new equipment anytime soon, with the political situation going on, I personaly see this like the Iran during the revolution. becuase things are gettting way too out of control. Very reminescent tothe time just before the Shah was overthrown. and we sure as hell dont want an entire criminal party having state of the art weapons. The corrutption runs too deep to avoid it.


    I think this is an issue that can be solved or at least mitigated inthe U.S by placing serious punishment of drugs or serious boader control-were talking gaza strip, not even to limit illigals but limit "what kind" of illigals are entering. pretty easy to see that a a woman and her children crossing over is a bit diffrent than 4 military ages males just happen to be traveling together.


    At this point I think sending more equipment/training is only going to bite in the arse later. direct U.S involment would of course cause problems.

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    no offense but we are not iran or palestine we are not fanatics and our goverment in not in turmoil like the middle east. We may not have state of the art weapons but some how manage so far well.

    No one really wants Direct US involment in our war cause they would just step on our toes and tell us how to do our job. If they dont want to help us then they should not hinder us as well.

    Have better gun control laws in the US that be a big help.

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