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[Shadowstorm]

The YF-17 is the original F-18. When the USAF chose the YF-16, the Navy felt that Northrop's design had merit and chose it as their next multi-role platform for both themselves and the Marines. It has gone on to equip many other air arms including the Australians, Canadians, Spanish and Swiss(While were on the topic of the Swiss, half of their combat squadrons are euipped with Hornets and the other half with F-5's. Just FYI.) It has now morphed into the Super Hornet which is substantially bigger, heavier, more expensive and far removed from the original YF-17.

One thing that everyone seems to be forgetting when the discussion of new fighters is brought up, that I agree are very much so in need, but not at the top of the list, is the other support network that is going to be needed for these fighters to be effective. We will need lead in fighter trainers so that our pilots can fly these new planes. The stuff that we would more than likely be considering is dramatically more sophisticated then what our pilots are capable of dealing with right now. You can depend on the host nation to train your crew, but this can have drawbacks politically. We will also need tankers and the associated training, C3I aircraft in far greater numbers than the 3 EMBRAER or 3 Hawkeyes that we currently have and training for them.

To effectively upgrade our air defense network would run well into the BILLIONS of dollars for what seems to be just keeping up with the Chavez' of the world. Effective use of our defense budget, since it is so small as has been pointed out, is of the upmost importance. The reality is that no other country in the world has in the recent past, present or forseeable future made any substantial threats to Mexico. And if the Russians decided that they where going to threaten the US through Mexico, one or two squadrons of anything that we might be able to get our hands would not be a match for their numerical superiority.

FAM roundels on some Falcons would be great, but I would much rather see better pay and equipment for the grunts fighting the real battle in Mexico. Better training, equipment, pay and support for our cops, soldiers, sailors and airmen will go alot further to win Mexico's war on narco terrorism, which is Mexico's one and only threat to national security, than a handful of fighter planes.

Will I know the F-18 was base on the YF-17, but I didn't want to go into full detail about it because I don't want to bore people. However I do agree with you a little that the Mexican Air Force needs training and aircraft like LIFT's, airborne refuelers, and more AEW&C and even though this will cost billions of dollars or pesos, so be it. However, if I was Calderon right now; I would separate FAM from SEDENA and become independent instead of being a "bastard child" of SEDENA with very little money going to new equipment and tell you the truth this one of the many reasons why USAF split from the US Army because of these issues. It's really pathetic and sad to say at least. I fully support the Mexican soldiers and police forces getting money to fight the drug cartels, but they should get better equipment and better vehicles because I see the Mexican Army and Marines are going the cheaper way for vehicles and buying Ford F-150's, Dodge Ram pickups and other civilian made vehicles which are extremely venerable to small arms fire which has happen and also the cartels could buy these similar vehicles like those pickup trucks at a car dealership and diguise them similar to the military and police vehicles which they operate. They should buy armoured vehicles like MRAP or Stryker type vehicles instead of buying civilian vehicles.

[Shadowstorm]

To be honest I doubt mexico will get any new equipment anytime soon, with the political situation going on, I personaly see this like the Iran during the revolution. becuase things are gettting way too out of control. Very reminescent tothe time just before the Shah was overthrown. and we sure as hell dont want an entire criminal party having state of the art weapons. The corrutption runs too deep to avoid it.


I think this is an issue that can be solved or at least mitigated inthe U.S by placing serious punishment of drugs or serious boader control-were talking gaza strip, not even to limit illigals but limit "what kind" of illigals are entering. pretty easy to see that a a woman and her children crossing over is a bit diffrent than 4 military ages males just happen to be traveling together.


At this point I think sending more equipment/training is only going to bite in the arse later. direct U.S involment would of course cause problems.

Mexico's is way different from Iran and Palestine issue. While Mexico is at war against the drug cartels while Iran is supporting terrorists and building nuclear weapons while the Palestinians radicals and terrorists are attacking Israel for land and start a Islamic state. Three completely different situations and issues.

[TheOpposition]

no offense but we are not iran or palestine we are not fanatics and our goverment in not in turmoil like the middle east. We may not have state of the art weapons but some how manage so far well.

No one really wants Direct US involment in our war cause they would just step on our toes and tell us how to do our job. If they dont want to help us then they should not hinder us as well.

Have better gun control laws in the US that be a big help.

No arguments there on the guncontrol laws. But I think you missed my general stating. I am no saying mexico is Iran or anyany other mideast territory I am saying the political issue draws a sort of paralel. Its still on topic because yes there is a large difference but larger picture is still the same. To me anyways. Seems like somthing rather large was set of internaly as if overnight. Surely everyone can't be involved in these cartels. Has it been confirmed these guys are getting outside help?

[Laconian]

no offense but we are not iran or palestine we are not fanatics and our goverment in not in turmoil like the middle east. We may not have state of the art weapons but some how manage so far well.

No one really wants Direct US involment in our war cause they would just step on our toes and tell us how to do our job. If they dont want to help us then they should not hinder us as well.

Have better gun control laws in the US that be a big help.

What do you mean by "better?" The guns turning up on the streets of Mexico from the US are being purchased, for the most, part by illegal means. Local, state and Federal resources are being re-allocated to eh SW border to help stem the flow of guns south.

I don't want to turn this thread into a gun debate, but some of you folks crack me up. You (in general terms maybe not you specifically) want drugs legalized to stop the violence but then want to further control guns to stem the violence. It's ludicrous. Outlawing guns will not solve the gun/violent crime problem any more than banning drugs has solved the drug problem.

[Sasori]

when i say better gun control laws. I am talking about any one with cash can go into a gun show purchase high power assault rifles or sub machine guns. With nothing more than a credit check and id.

Thats what i mean buy better gun laws at public gun shows.

[gatomalo]

Will I know the F-18 was base on the YF-17, but I didn't want to go into full detail about it because I don't want to bore people. However I do agree with you a little that the Mexican Air Force needs training and aircraft like LIFT's, airborne refuelers, and more AEW&C and even though this will cost billions of dollars or pesos, so be it. However, if I was Calderon right now; I would separate FAM from SEDENA and become independent instead of being a "bastard child" of SEDENA with very little money going to new equipment and tell you the truth this one of the many reasons why USAF split from the US Army because of these issues. It's really pathetic and sad to say at least. I fully support the Mexican soldiers and police forces getting money to fight the drug cartels, but they should get better equipment and better vehicles because I see the Mexican Army and Marines are going the cheaper way for vehicles and buying Ford F-150's, Dodge Ram pickups and other civilian made vehicles which are extremely venerable to small arms fire which has happen and also the cartels could buy these similar vehicles like those pickup trucks at a car dealership and diguise them similar to the military and police vehicles which they operate. They should buy armoured vehicles like MRAP or Stryker type vehicles instead of buying civilian vehicles.

I agree that the FAM needs to be seperated from SEDENA. It allows for them to be fully autonomous and RESPONSIBLE for their decisions. I dont agree that the modernisation of the miliatry should be a forgone conclusion regardless of what that cost may be to the rest of society. Mao Tse-tung had that mentality when he came into power and it was directly responsible for the death of millions of his own country men and the suffering of many millions more. The devil may care thinking of "this will cost billions of dollars or pesos, so be it" will only lead to other things being forgotten about and that will only lead to more corruption, social strife and overall negatively affect society. As for the civilian vehicles in military use, I think that alot of what you see is local police vehicles being used by whoever happens to be doing the patrolling. Although the military does use light trucks, Im sure that they are not used to substitute for combat vehicles. They are merely used for liasion purposes.

What do you mean by "better?" The guns turning up on the streets of Mexico from the US are being purchased, for the most, part by illegal means. Local, state and Federal resources are being re-allocated to eh SW border to help stem the flow of guns south.

I don't want to turn this thread into a gun debate, but some of you folks crack me up. You (in general terms maybe not you specifically) want drugs legalized to stop the violence but then want to further control guns to stem the violence. It's ludicrous. Outlawing guns will not solve the gun/violent crime problem any more than banning drugs has solved the drug problem.

Although I agree with you that gun control laws dont have an effect on gun violence, there does need to be a better job of enforcing the current laws at the border by BOTH sides of the border. The flow of semi automatic and some fully automatic weapons into Mexico is as bad as the flow of drugs into the US. But this should not have anything to do with the ability of me to be able to walk into a gun show and purchase any firearm that I am legally able to purchase. You cant punish me for the actions of others. Just as important, the repurcussion of drug dealing in the US needs to be much higher. If drugs are not going to be legalized, then we need to make the punishment for selling that crap extremely harsh. No first offender leniency(sp?) or any of that other crap.

when i say better gun control laws. I am talking about any one with cash can go into a gun show purchase high power assault rifles or sub machine guns. With nothing more than a credit check and id.

Thats what i mean buy better gun laws at public gun shows.

They dont check your credit and the id is for an FBI background check. Although the system is not perfect, it does ensure that the Second Amendment doenst get trampled on and that blatant criminals arent purchasing guns legally.

As for fighters, I think we would be better served by some UAV's for survaillance of the narco's and COIN aircraft for counter insurgency and air soverignty patrols which is almost what this war on the narcos is basically becoming. Helicopters for tactical transport of SpecOp operators and medium lift fixed wing transports for the movements of troops and equipment.

[Wolfpack]

Of course Mexico doesn't need aircraftcarriers, nor military satellites, but is really frustating hear that the military or air force it's ok. What if Galvan ask for 100 MBT?, they will denegate anyhow, what we are saying is that the army needs an upgrade, not fancy upgrade. If anybody desagree with that perception, well, then we have the army that we deserve.

Yeah i would agree the same way. Its quiet stupid to belive that a prime world army with all sorts of modern guns, tip top fighters, and all sort of fancy stuff will do something to fight a criminal menace, not even a guerrilla. I would agree on you we need a restoration in many key points, saddly as for today needs, the coolest ones are not inlcuded.

[Dragunov]

Bullet impacts pit the facade of a police station in Mocorito, some 43 km (26.7 miles) away from the city of Culiacan, in the northern state of Sinaloa December 19, 2008. Unknown assailants attacked the base, firing some 1,000 rounds into the building and leaving one police officer wounded, according to local media.














In Sonora 2 men were killed and 1 was wounded during an attack by gunmen.

[Qristoff]

bullet impacts pit the facade of a police station in mocorito, some 43 km (26.7 miles) away from the city of culiacan, in the northern state of sinaloa december 19, 2008. Unknown assailants attacked the base, firing some 1,000 rounds into the building and leaving one police officer wounded, according to local media.

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[Wolfpack]

OMG!! they shoot a police station unchallenged, what an amazing achivement. narcs....

[Shadowstorm]

Gatomalo your first part of your sentence made sense and I agree with you. However, that second part didn't even make no sense at all. How are you comparing Galvan request for new aircraft, radar stations, and air defense networks to Mao Tse-tung who was a brutal dictator. The reason I said "so be it" because if he wants that equipment to modernize his air force, let him have the money to do it because ether way they have to do it in the near future.

[Wolfpack]

because if he wants that equipment to modernize his air force, let him have the money to do it because ether way they have to do it in the near future.

Not necesarily and that is the point. If the F5s are written off tomorrow neither the airforce nor nation wide operations will collapse, they are not that important to the national defense estrategy. I would say they are barely relevant. Appart, the airforce is not based on them, let me remind you that our airforce is based on helicopters. Remove on single squadron of them and youll get us into problems. Remove the EA401 and its f5, and well loose nothing much than a training notch not relevant in the catual scenarios mexico has to face.

The national defense is based on internal guerrilla like scenarios, under the political, social and economical conditions of mexico, having sams and modern equipment like f-16s without true needs is a dream and a luxury no one at the desition levels is willing to take and pay.

[Wolfpack]

To be honest I doubt mexico will get any new equipment anytime soon, with the political situation going on, I personaly see this like the Iran during the revolution. becuase things are gettting way too out of control. Very reminescent tothe time just before the Shah was overthrown. and we sure as hell dont want an entire criminal party having state of the art weapons. The corrutption runs too deep to avoid it.


I think this is an issue that can be solved or at least mitigated inthe U.S by placing serious punishment of drugs or serious boader control-were talking gaza strip, not even to limit illigals but limit "what kind" of illigals are entering. pretty easy to see that a a woman and her children crossing over is a bit diffrent than 4 military ages males just happen to be traveling together.


At this point I think sending more equipment/training is only going to bite in the arse later. direct U.S involment would of course cause problems.

I think thatmost of your message does not represents the true reallity within mexico, and is a very overreacted vision. Just my opinion man.

[Shadowstorm]

OMG!! they shoot a police station unchallenged, what an amazing achivement. narcs....

These scumbags could careless. I hope they find these guys who did this.

Not necesarily and that is the point. If the F5s are written off tomorrow neither the airforce nor nation wide operations will collapse, they are not that important to the national defense estrategy. I would say they are barely relevant.

The national defense is based on internal guerrilla like scenarios, under the political, social and economical conditions of mexico, having sams and modern equipment without true needs is a dream and a luxury no one at the desition levels is willing to take.

It has nothing to do with with luxury, but Mexico national security which is really important.

I think thatmost of your message does not represents the true reallity within mexico, and is a very overreacted vision. Just my opinion man.

That post he wrote was just a epic failure. Comparing those two countries to Mexico with three different situations and issues doesn't work.

[GtodeO]

wow these sobs can't shoot for s**t and they prey on the weak how manly, they feel so tough right now but when they face the army and the pf they get scared s**tless and thats a good feeling seeing them ready to cry when they get caught now thats funny and entertaining