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    i hope the mexican senators are enjoying their mole they eat right now while they watch and laugh at the mexican armed forces why isnt felipe calderon doing anything about this?

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    Whata wrong apreciation, Felipe Calderon is not all mighty, and the president aint all mighty since we have democratic governaments. The power is devided so no man or group can run the country on his will. What he can do is create law projects to buy arms, eventually they have to eb aproved by deputies and senators.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexgodinez View Post
    i hope the mexican senators are enjoying their mole they eat right now while they watch and laugh at the mexican armed forces why isnt felipe calderon doing anything about this?
    Actually Felipe Calderon is the president that has done more for our armed forces then any president in the last 70 years.

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    Not really, he hasnt done much, the increase on salaries hasnt been aplied to all the branches, he lied there and has been unable to push it forward. He also hasnt been able to push and lobby new purchases with the senators, while he has been demanding to much from it.

    In the past there were presidents with far more margin and more presence in the military like Portillo and De la Madird. Through the final 70s and early 80s the army and airfoce were really suported by the politics. From that point onwards probably Salinas very slightly due to the Chiapas insurection, and thats it.

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    I would have to agree with Wolfpack... I read an interesting well-written article that with some poetical licence states that one could argue that the Mexican Army is now the EZLN; a badly armed group of poor men with their faces covered trying to fight a vastly superior foe.

    -The comparison is far-fetched, I know, but interesting non the least.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfpack View Post
    Not really, he hasnt done much, the increase on salaries hasnt been aplied to all the branches, he lied there and has been unable to push it forward. He also hasnt been able to push and lobby new purchases with the senators, while he has been demanding to much from it.

    In the past there were presidents with far more margin and more presence in the military like Portillo and De la Madird. Through the final 70s and early 80s the army and airfoce were really suported by the politics. From that point onwards probably Salinas very slightly due to the Chiapas insurection, and thats it.


    well that is not the presidents fault that the PRI and PRD are so backwards in the concept of actually doing a good job in govermental policies that they hinder every single law the president is trying to push foward to improve the country.

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    Is no one fault Sasori, is not a Kindergarden. Its a process the country is goign trhrogh we are teenagers at democracy. His responsbaility though is tha promises never acomplished and demanding too much from the army without the necesary political lobby.

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    Dont even say that our democratic process is in a kindergarden level compared to the rest of the world. Our Democracy is as good as the US at least were not having political unrest just cause the opposition lost the presidency. Last time i checked the elections were carried out proffesionaly and legaly.

    its all the fault of the old political partys such as PRI and PRD. There is to much opposition that the president faces from these political partys. At every turn they oppose him for no good reason.


    That is the fault of a foolish political partys that are only looking out for there own intrest instead of the nation.

    Dont even dare say that the Armed Forces of Mexico are not capable of protecting the Nation.

    I blame the bueracracy and all the political red tape that is keeping political reforms been shot down at the Senate floor.

    The Armed Forces have and extremely good job with what they got. So dont say the Armed Forces cannot do there job right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasori View Post
    Dont even say that our democratic process is in a kindergarden level compared to the rest of the world. Our Democracy is as good as the US [...]

    Dont even dare say that the Armed Forces of Mexico are not capable of protecting the Nation.

    I blame the bueracracy and all the political red tape that is keeping political reforms been shot down at the Senate floor.

    The Armed Forces have and extremely good job with what they got. So dont say the Armed Forces cannot do there job right.
    -Not saying it will not make the opposite true.

    -Counting votes doesn't make a country democratic instantly (governing though democracy is HARD and belive me, we don't have it down just yet); we are nowhere near the US, just look a the "Gober Precioso", any governor who had donde what he did in the US, would be in prison; accountability is a cornestone of democracy, just as much as counting votes.

    -Be careful with blunt statements that start with "don't dare say"... because it only comes to show that in deed, we are in deomcratic kindegarden, dreaming of autoritarian rule.

    -Calderón has his share of blame, in particular I resent the undivided support that he gives Genaro García Luna, offspring of none other than the PRI period you seem to hate so much (don't get me wrong I hate it too); he's also dealing with caracters like Elba Esther, so if the old establishment is still powerful, is his own damn falut.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasori View Post
    Dont even say that our democratic process is in a kindergarden level compared to the rest of the world. Our Democracy is as good as the US at least were not having political unrest just cause the opposition lost the presidency. Last time i checked the elections were carried out proffesionaly and legaly.

    its all the fault of the old political partys such as PRI and PRD. There is to much opposition that the president faces from these political partys. At every turn they oppose him for no good reason.


    That is the fault of a foolish political partys that are only looking out for there own intrest instead of the nation.

    Dont even dare say that the Armed Forces of Mexico are not capable of protecting the Nation.

    I blame the bueracracy and all the political red tape that is keeping political reforms been shot down at the Senate floor.

    The Armed Forces have and extremely good job with what they got. So dont say the Armed Forces cannot do there job right.
    Sorry to tell you this, but our democracy is so childish yet, not even comparable with the one of the US, Israel, or even european countries. Not even by mistake, politically they are ahead for at least 90 years. In 200 years of mexican history we have only had 9 years of true democracy, so just think about it. Obviously we are very weak democracy.

    The fault belong to all mexicans, who fail to press the political paties, ALL of them, are the ones that rule this country.

    And dude, same mistake as always, where did I say our armed forces cannot do the job? please tell me?

    I said and that is a fact, that our armed forces are being asked too much against so little in exchange or withouth the right material and political support.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PZThunderbolt View Post
    -Not saying it will not make the opposite true.

    -Counting votes doesn't make a country democratic instantly (governing though democracy is HARD and belive me, we don't have it down just yet); we are nowhere near the US, just look a the "Gober Precioso", any governor who had donde what he did in the US, would be in prison; accountability is a cornestone of democracy, just as much as counting votes.

    -Be careful with blunt statements that start with "don't dare say"... because it only comes to show that in deed, we are in deomcratic kindegarden, dreaming of autoritarian rule.

    -Calderón has his share of blame, in particular I resent the undivided support that he gives Genaro García Luna, offspring of none other than the PRI period you seem to hate so much (don't get me wrong I hate it too); he's also dealing with caracters like Elba Esther, so if the old establishment is still powerful, is his own damn falut.

    Hell yea, he has been protecting exPRI gansgters lie Elba Esther to enforce his governament. so yeah...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfpack View Post
    Hell yea, he has been protecting exPRI gansgters lie Elba Esther to enforce his governament. so yeah...
    Elba Esther is a freakin Crook man, i don't know why she hasn't been revoked of the power that she has....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfpack View Post
    Sorry to tell you this, but our democracy is so childish yet, not even comparable with the one of the US, Israel, or even european countries. Not even by mistake, politically they are ahead for at least 90 years. In 200 years of mexican history we have only had 9 years of true democracy, so just think about it. Obviously we are very weak democracy.

    The fault belong to all mexicans, who fail to press the political paties, ALL of them, are the ones that rule this country.

    And dude, same mistake as always, where did I say our armed forces cannot do the job? please tell me?

    I said and that is a fact, that our armed forces are being asked too much against so little in exchange or withouth the right material and political support.
    Politics are a joke. Look what happened with George bush winning two times by a very close margin...sketchy? Yea. Look at Calderon winning by the same margin against a Candidate that was not very popular to the north?? Yea sketchy aswel. I will tell you that i like Calderon and what he is doing, but its kinda hard to say that there isn't something fishy going on in OUR two countries elections....

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    Quote for the truth man. However, I'm glad Calderon was elected instead Obrador who had corruption wrote all over his face.
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    Wow. Amazing how this threat gets pounded so fast.

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