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    It seems an average conflict. War is hell and it's always the same.

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    saw this film a couple years ago, indeed it is graphic, but apparently it shows the reality of war much closer than other movies, I'd recommned it

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    there are some nice things with this movie but generally its quite crappy and ridiculous, especially the acting. The scenery is nice thou...

    A really nice chechnya moviewould be Balabanovs Voina! Still one of my favourite movies, high quality.

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0309047/

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    Quote Originally Posted by khukuri View Post

    A really nice chechnya moviewould be Balabanovs Voina! Still one of my favourite movies, high quality.

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0309047/
    IMO wouldn't say so.. there's no real war there to be frank. Only russian rembo-revenge style affair, with the message to viewers-all chechens are evil murderers and don't need help from Europe. "Machit ich vsech v sortire"- some sort of subtext.. Blokes from Europe don't get anything, they need help themselves, luckilly, there's russian rembo to sort it out, but gets a nasty "reward".. but that's IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lightfire View Post
    I would love to punch you in the face for the BS that you wrote in your post, too bad...

    The things that you twist, dismiss and call "urban-myths" and propaganda did happen in real life.

    The movie was based on the real life events:fighting for the city hospital. It was shot in dagestan, not that far from the actual scene of events with a little more than hand held camcoders.

    Yes there were plenty of mercenaries: blacks, chineese, englishman, arabs, ukranians, russians, belorussians and yes, the "ladies" from your homeland - baltic snipers...

    "the enemy in this film is strongly demonised. The utter cruelty, all enemies are ussing is shown to emphasize-that's what we are fighting with (remember, the film was made in 1997). They are animals, they cut off the heads of our soldiers, torture them, pee on their dead bodies,"
    Demonised ?! Child, things shown in this movie do not represent even 1/10 of what "allah warriors" were doing with the captured. There was the reason for the "tank scene", but don't take my word for it - "glorious allah warriors" produced more than one videotape of decapitating "infidels".

    "Poor accents" - sorry, Nevzorov couldn't get any real black and baltic mercenaries, the actual ones were dead already so he had to use african students


    The real life "Gyurza" from the movie


    Алексей Ефентьев, radio call sign "Voron" (the unit he commanded was based out of Voronezh)

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    Quote Originally Posted by KMS View Post
    I would love to punch you in the face
    ..nothing much more to expect from someone like you, go back to your ward..

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    Quote Originally Posted by lightfire View Post
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    I read enough of your nazi BS on this board to justify my feelings towards you but this "review" was just too much to take.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sir-chimp View Post
    I have my assumptions on what the point of the actions in that scene was - but can some one clarify?

    To prevent from some kind of a psychological war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sir-chimp View Post
    I have my assumptions on what the point of the actions in that scene was - but can some one clarify?
    To prevent the Chechens from using the dead Russians bodies as trophies and propaganda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roids View Post
    To prevent the Chechens from using the dead Russians bodies as trophies and propaganda.
    To be more precise, qouteing colonel, to prevent chechens to cut russian soldiers in pieces. Literally.

    I read enough of your nazi BS on this board to justify my feelings towards you but this "review" was just too much to take
    being ultrapatriot can make you more nazi, than you imagine some people are, if you have nothing more to say, then don't read, don't post and troll elswhere, please.
    Last edited by lightfire; 01-06-2007 at 06:46 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sir-chimp View Post
    I have my assumptions on what the point of the actions in that scene was - but can some one clarify?
    If you are talking about the tank scene - colonel ordered it so that than the hospital would fall, checens would not cut of heads and *****es and throw them to russians that are still alive. In short - that enemy would not do anything to the dead.

    Anger by this act all alive, wounded, all that can hold a gun-russian dudes charge and wipe out chechen "atackers". Russian forces includes Spetznaz GRU.
    Ekhem actually no. They attacked because GRU operatives were inside and the tank took out most of checen gun emplacements. If you watched the film you should know this. Giurza talks with colonel just before the attack.

    I will not comments on your whole rewiev. I do not agree on many things you wrote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kvakva View Post

    Ekhem actually no. They attacked because GRU operatives were inside and the tank took out most of checen gun emplacements. If you watched the film you should know this. Giurza talks with colonel just before the attack.

    I will not comments on your whole rewiev. I do not agree on many things you wrote.
    erm, yea, probably you are right, anyway that happened just at that time.
    I wouldn't be surprissed, you don't agree,fair'nough, your choise to comment or not, only if you decide to do it, please, no flaming,more arguments, aciu. Besides, that was my point of view after watching the film, and having oppinion about the author I've seen more than expected. Yet I don't want a film thread turn to another chechen conflict thread-there'd be no new achievements in this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lightfire View Post
    erm, yea, probably you are right, anyway that happened just at that time.
    Well you can trace it from the point where Cobra talks to tank commander and says - сейчас чичи нас сдавять на ... - they make a plan to attack checens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lightfire View Post
    The art of propogandist consist in mixing some truth with lies or creating myths. In this film there's one urban myth-"belaji kalgotki"/snaipershy iz Pribaltiky"-white panthysoses/ female snipers from baltic countries, particularry from national biatlon teams. They speak poor lithuanian and with cold blood and cruelty snipe poor russian soldiers to their *******s. They laugh as if it was duck hunting. The interesting thing is, that many people believe in this pure shyte of insanity as of a true fact.
    There was at least one dead Latvian girl with a sniper rifle found in Grozny. I have heard this on two different occasions from two different people who were there. As for the rest, well there were Latvian girls declaring their wishes to go help Chechens fight for independence on TV. Did they go or not? Did they wear white *****hose? I don't know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Son_Of_Suvorov View Post
    There was at least one dead Latvian girl with a sniper rifle found in Grozny. I have heard this on two different occasions from two different people who were there. As for the rest, well there were Latvian girls declaring their wishes to go help Chechens fight for independence on TV. Did they go or not? Did they wear white *****hose? I don't know.
    I donno about latvian girl, but clearly it is not a surprise when some urban myth is invented during horrific warfare, when you can't check the source, or make a huge story of a single case. "I have heard", "I was told" unfortunatelly in war ussually means many colours. Well, at least the fact of chechen women death squads(or suicidal..) is recognized.

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