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    Hate quoting myself, but here it is. Thought the FFL thread was the better place but you never know.

    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix767 View Post
    Have to necro this thread since I have come to the decision to join up after careful consideration. What I want to know is if I need to prepare anything apart from getting my fitness up a bit, such as if improving my tourist french before applying helps or not. Any helpful advice I would appreciate.
    Also is there a certain time period required during which I can join? I couldn't find any restriction so I'm presuming there isn't any.
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    Last resort, is there not another professional army that will have you?

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    It's a personal choice for the french foreign legion/france, not necessarily against the Bundeswehr or other western militaries I might be eligible to join. Always carried the wish to join the military, but due to bureaucracy and politics playing a too big role in the german army I prefer the FFL, which is european after all and not that far way. Also I always wanted to live my future life in france, it's a beautiful country that I enjoyed a lot during travels. So it does kind of fall together with other private stuff that I'd rather not go into on the public.

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    You're a funny guy. You think the Legion is different from the rest of the world...hate to break it to you...but Armee De Terre is full of bureaucracy.

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    From what I heard still better than what we have here regarding influence of critical media and politicians on military missions like Afghanistan. Not using air support that is available at home due to possibly negative media coverage for example. The boots on the ground suffer for that.

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    Also I always wanted to live my future life in france, it's a beautiful country that I enjoyed a lot during travels. So it does kind of fall together with other private stuff that I'd rather not go into on the public.
    The legion will hopefully give me the perspective I can't find at home right now.

    Edit: please keep in mind that despite being not bad at english, I'm not a native speaker so I probably worded some stuff a bit complicated there
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    All I'm saying is you should probably join the Bundeswehr...because it is not what you read. I've served with the French. The only people that have solid kit are the ones in Afghanistan...and they turn it in when they come home and it goes out with the next bunch.

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    I see your point, but my decision is more or less set in stone. The equipment thing is the same or was the same for the Bundewehr in the last years, the modern kit gets rolled to afgh and the guys here have to train with stuff they won't use in the field anyway. Guess that comes with the economic situation everywhere I appreciate your concerns and will surely think about up to this winter when i intend to go for preselection.
    If some active Bundeswehr soldiers know that I'm wrong about what I heard, please tell me so.

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    If you're not running from something, or trying to get an EU passport to escape the third world, I couldn't see the point in serving in a sub standard organisation. Everything that is bad in the Bundeswehr you'll find in the FFL, while having few of the good things that the Bundeswehr will be able to provide you.

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    Not what I said CaliforniaJoe, but I need not justify myself in front of people I don't know personally. I asked since I was curious and obviously not too knowledgeable myself, if that's not possible without getting talked down nvm.

    Thanks for your input Digrar, as I said it's still up for decision until the end of this year for me, so I might still change my decision based on what people tell me - I'll keep informing myself and talk to a Bundeswehr recruitment bureau official regarding the situation. Since you say the Armee de Terre is a subpar organisation, may I ask why? Is the equipment situation that bad? Or are you referring to the french governments practice to send the legion in to take the losses they don't want french citizens to take?

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    I'm talking about an organisation that is sub par, greater than normal elements of bully boy leadership, sub par recruits with conflicting motivation, cliquish ethnic groups within the units.
    Examples of Legion ineptitude from "Marching With The Devil": The author attended "sniper" training whilst on rotation to Djibouti. They used rifles that were no longer in service (even in the Legion) and shared one weapon between two, making qualifying shoots interesting. They also considered the author's demonstrations of scanning arcs on patrol and counter-ambush drills as interesting, slightly amusing but not the done thing in the Legion. All patrolling was done head down, weapon slung and in single file.
    That might be one man's skewed view, but he had prior service and knew what good soldiering looked like.
    Have a think about how decent the basic training is, it's conducted while you're trying to learn French, most probably heavily accented with the instructors Russian accent. Personally I found basic training challenging enough without trying to do it with a language barrier. Everything is lining up to make the whole system a poor one.
    Read CFD Ambos's posts in the FFL thread, he's a prior service bloke who went to the FFL for the contacts. The way he describes it, it's not good.

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    Here's a good one.

    Quote Originally Posted by CFD Ambos View Post
    Alright, this topic is taylor-made for me

    For those who don't know me, or who would be surprised by my sayings : I'm currently serving in the Legion, in operations in Central African Republic. I'll send pictures by the beginning of 2008.

    Facts :

    -the best, eternal all-times adventurers are anglo-saxon. With their countries being deployed in Irak and Afghanistan, and the Legion just doing the same operations as the normal French Army (=basically a couple of shows of force in Africa), what Army will these adventurers choose ?

    -let's face it, the Legion is militarily BAD, because it works on the French model : nothing, NO-THING is standardised, no SOP's, no clear rules, no means (our company had to borrow money from an african contingent last week in order for us to be paid), no leadership (I'll talk about it later), no equipment... The soldiers under 5 years of service are continuously ****ed in the @ss, we have to buy our complete kit, we have to buy gear which becomes forbidden to carry as soon as the regiment commander changes (every 2 years), our field bonuses are always underestimated because somebody somewhere always forgets to account a couple of days spent on the field, etc etc...
    So, those who join to become good soldiers (MOST OF THEM UE CITIZENS) usually leave before the 6 months test period. I considered it myself too after 3 months in the Legion.

    -leadership is french style, which means that leadership is understood as an opportunity to avoid responsibilities and to live as quiet as possible. Organisation is disastrous, for example a platoon needs a whole morning for each one of its soldiers to shoot 40 rounds, or a whole morning for 20 guys to register at the beginning of a course, etc etc...

    -The Legion is NOT hard, any Army in the world is harder in terms of physical stress, lack of sleep, etc. What' s really hard in the Legion is the mood (lazy people always complaining, treating our superiors as if they were gods), the stupid, senseless rules (no car, no credit card, no computer, no telephone contract, no permission to go out, no marriage), and knowing that you're bound to this for 5 years !

    That's why people only stay in the Legion for financial and social benefits, MOST OF THEM EASTERN EUROPE CITIZENS, most of them unable to do anything else and very, very stupid.

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    Wow, I never found that much detailed negative info, this puts a lot more into perspective. On the official and unofficial sites you never read about it in this light, thanks for the heads up. Gotta think about it, but this kind of experiences do not sound like what I hoped/expected to find there. Many thanks man, and everyone who posted the last days in here trying to get me to think about it, I see I was quite a bit ignorant there so I apologize if I seemed like some wiseguy who believes to know everything better, I sure do not. Guess Bundeswehr it is then, thanks for the heads up and trying to push my stubborn self into a better future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cipher View Post
    Try asking the ROTC office if your campus has one; they will be more than able to enlighten you about the subject.
    The only ROTC offices near me are AF and ARMY. Army ROTC office said that, i can attend all four years, but they don't know if i can Commission since it's competitive+ there's no room they said.
    I haven't talked to the Air force yet, My brother was in it. But for some reason he said it wasn't gonna work out and Left AF ROTC altogether.


    Another option I've thought about is SNP.


    One option i've explored is going Marine Reserve, and transfer to a University after college and enroll in NROTC-marine option' and/or PLC.

    Does the Coast Guard also participate with NROTC? said NROTC campus is 6 hours away.

    AFROTC as i understand doesnt do Reserve/ROTC simultaneously but the ARMY does =SNP. Correct me if I'm wrong!

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    The legion beats the crap out of their recruits. If you ended up getting to 2e REP, good for you because they are legit. 3e REI is also legit but they don't do much outside of their jungle. The rest of the legion I could not tell you about...but yes things in the French Army have gotten better...but unless you're in SF you'll find issues. Granted my OJE is three years old.

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    MOS 2800, Ground Electronics Maintinance. Im stuck with this MOS right now and kinda pissed off nobody wants to trade off a combat/combat support contract. Especially since a $10,000 bonus comes with it. Ive got 4-6 months to ship out, but im already praying some other pooliee gets a DWI, breaks a leg, or something.
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