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[Lord Helmet]

Go to regular college, join a frat get drunk and get laid. Then if you still wan tot join go do whatever OCS looks more appealing at that time.

[VMICadetJNA]

I agree with Lord Helmet, as a graduate of a military college, I still went to USMC OCS regardless of whether or not I took 4 years of NROTC classes (my grades sucked). The ONLY school that will make you a better Marine Officer is The Basic School and whatever MOS school you attend. Go to a regular college, enjoy life, reassess what you want to do when the time comes (3 or 4 years from now) and don't fill your head with any misconceptions that any college will make you a better Marine. Get drunk, get laid, go to a real college. My 2 cents

[Laconian]

USMA is something I've been into for a very long time and I suppose I've never considered being a midshipman rather than a cadet. I've been more attracted to the ground-fighting focus at West Point than the idea of going to USNA where I could spend four years in mostly naval training then end up in the Marines. I know it sounds fickle but I was just planning on taking whatever I get first (If not USMA, then Marine OCS). But you do raise a good point; I should apply to USNA as well because there is always that Marine option. It shouldn't be hard from what I am already doing; I will simply have to open up a file at USNA. I believe a lot of the application materiel overlaps for USMA and USNA. I think the congressional recomendation is the same for both and the CFA test is as well? Will definetely keep you in mind if I have a question or two about OCS, thanks.

There are a limited number of WPers that are allowed to get commissioned in another branch, other than the Army. It requires permission from the SecDef, but it happens. I know of several guys that went USMC out of the Point. Unless things have drastically changed, you begin your application process to USMA (and all of the service academies) in the spring of your junior year. It is a long and arduous process, mind-numbing at times. Of course computers and the internet may make the whole process different. If you get a chance to go to a service academy go. PERIOD. If your goal is to go to college to chase broads, drink beer, get laid and en route earn a commission and a degree, you're not what West Point is looking for. There mission is to prepare young men & women for a lifetime of service to the nation as a leader of character. It is a tough school academically, socially, emotionally and physically.

[Canadian Pride]

Hello,

Is there anyone here from the canadian forces in the intelligence branch or history in the intelligence branch can answer some questions please.

[Infanteer Two Seven]

Hello,

Is there anyone here from the canadian forces in the intelligence branch or history in the intelligence branch can answer some questions please.

No one is going to tell you that they work for Intel coy. The CF and DND denies that they any HUMINT coy.
Before you become some kind of 007 why don't you join the combat arms and get a feel for it, learn something then get recruited through your COC.

[Infanteer Two Seven]

here is the CANFORGEN for HUMINT

CANFORGEN 096/04 DCDS 155 131716Z JUL 04
HUMINT CANDIDATE ASSESSMENT PROGRAMME (HCAP) SEP 04
UNCLASSIFIED

SITUATION. TO SP CURRENT AND FUTURE CF COMMITMENTS IN INTERNATIONAL OPS, THERE IS AN ON-GOING REQUIREMENT TO FIND VOLUNTEERS, BOTH JUNIOR OFFRS AND NCMS FROM THE REG AND RES COMPONENTS OF THE CF, WHO ARE INTERESTED AND SUITABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN OVERT HUMAN INTELLIGENCE (HUMINT) OPS IN A DEMANDING MULTINATIONAL ENVIRONMENT. THESE TYPES OF OPS REQR PERS POSSESSING VERY SPECIFIC PERSONAL ATTRIBUTES AND CAPABILITIES. ACCORDINGLY, THIS CANFORGEN IS PROMULGATED TO SOLICIT VOLUNTEERS FOR HCAP WHICH WILL SELECT SUITABLE CANDIDATES FOR HUMINT TRG AND EMPLOYMENT. DG INT/J2 PLANS WILL CONDUCT HCAP BETWEEN 13-25 SEP 04 AT CFB KINGSTON. HCAP CONSISTS OF SEVERAL CONSECUTIVE THREE DAY SELECTION SERIALS

DEFINITION. NATO DEFINES HUMINT AS A CATEGORY OF INT DERIVED FROM INFO COLLECTED FROM HUMAN SOURCES. IN BROADER TERMS, OUR KEY ALLIES DESCRIBE DEFENCE HUMINT AS INTELLIGENCE PRODUCED AS A RESULT OF THE SYSTEMATIC AND CONTROLLED EXPLOITATION OF HUMAN SOURCES BY MEMBERS OF THE ARMED FORCES, TRAINED IN AND DEDICATED TO THAT ROLE. ALONG WITH SIGNALS INTELLIGENCE (SIGINT) AND IMAGERY INTELLIGENCE (IMINT), HUMINT IS A PRIMARY INT COLLECTION DISCIPLINE CONTRIBUTING TO THE OVERALL INT PROCESS. IT IS AN IMPORTANT SOURCE OF INTELLIGENCE IN SUPPORT OF OPERATIONAL ACTIVITIES AND IS THE COLLECTION DISCIPLINE OF CHOICE ON DEPLOYED OPS. AGAIN, DEFENCE HUMINT ACTY WILL BE CONDUCTED OVERTLY IN UNIFORM UNDER VERY SPECIFIC AND DIRECTED CONTROL.

VOLUNTEERS. IT IS ESSENTIAL FOR VOLUNTEERS AND THEIR CHAIN-OF-COMMAND TO NOTE THAT IF SELECTED DURING HCAP, MEMBERS WILL BE IMMEDIATELY LOADED ON THE FIELD HUMINT OPERATOR (BASIC) CRSE AND SUBSEQUENTLY TASKED TO FORM PART OF A FIELD HUMINT TEAM (FHT) IN SUPPORT OF DEPLOYED OPS. MEMBERS THAT ARE NOT AVAL FOR DEPLOYMENT WILL NOT BE LOADED ON HCAP OR BASIC HUMINT CRSE. IN THE PAST, THERE HAVE BEEN SOME MISCONCEPTIONS REGARDING FIELD HUMINT, AND SOME VOLUNTEERS HAVE APPLIED NOT UNDERSTANDING THE FUNCTION OF HUMINT OR CONFUSING HUMINT WITH CIMIC OR SOCIAL PATROLLING. IT IS THEREFORE STRONGLY RECOMMENDED THAT INTERESTED APPLICANTS DO SOME RESEARCH IN ORDER TO PREPARE FOR THE SELECTION PROCESS. ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON GENERAL HUMINT CAPABILITY CAN BE FOUND IN DISPATCHES VOL 8 NO 1 AT THE FOL DWAN WEB SITE: http://HTTP://LFDTS.ARMY.MIL.CA/ALLC...VOL8NO1ENG.PDF THE ARMY DOCTRINE ON HUMINT OPS, B-GL-357-002, IS ALSO AVAL ON DWAN AT http://HTTP://LFDTS.ARMY.MIL.CA/AEL/...002-FP-001.PDF

FIELD HUMINT TEAMS ARE CURRENTLY REQR IN ALL MAJOR CF OPS, AND THE CAPABILITY WILL LIKELY REMAIN IN HIGH DEMAND FOR EVERY DEPLOYED OP IN THE FUTURE. ACCORDINGLY, VOLUNTEERS SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETING HCAP AND BASIC HUMINT CRSE REMAIN LIABLE FOR POTENTIAL SIX-MONTH TASKS IN HUMINT POSITIONS IN SP OF CF DEPLOYED OPS. SUCCESSFUL CANDIDATES SHOULD BE AWARE THAT A NATIONAL REGISTRY OF HUMINT QUALIFIED PERS IS MAINTAINED BY NDHQ J2 PLANS

APPLICANTS WILL BE REQR TO COMPLETE A THREE-STEP SELECTION AND TRG PROGRAM AS FOLS:

5.A. INITIAL UNIT SCREENING OF APPLICANTS (SEE PARA

5.B. INDIVIDUAL SELECTION PROCESS VIA ONE OF THE THREE-DAY HCAP SCHEDULED BETWEEN 13-25 SEP 04 AT CFB KINGSTON, AND

5.C. IF SELECTED FROM HCAP, A FIVE-WEEK BASIC HUMINT TRG CRSE, TO BE CONDUCTED FROM 18 OCT TO 19 NOV 04 BY CFSMI AT CFB KINGSTON

PROFILE AND CRITERIA. IT IS RECOGNISED THAT THIS TYPE OF EMPLOYMENT IS NOT SUITED TO ALL. IT IS THEREFORE IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT FAILURE TO BE SELECTED IS NOT A REFLECTION OF OVERALL CAPABILITIES OR PERFORMANCE. FOR HUMINT EMPLOYMENT, THE CF IS LOOKING FOR MATURE INDIVIDUALS WHO POSSESS AND CAN DEVELOP SPECIFIC INTER-PERSONAL SKILL SETS. APPLICANTS MUST SATISFY, AS A MIN REQUIREMENT, THE FOL CRITERIA:

6.A. RANK OF CPL TO WO AND LT/CAPT

6.B. MOC QUALIFIED

6.C. HAVE SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETED THE CF EXPRES TEST IN THE LAST YEAR OR BE INCENTIVE EXEMPT FROM TAKING THE EXPRES TEST

6.D. HAVE A LEVEL 2 SECRET SECURITY CLEARANCE, OR HAVE LEVEL 2 SECRET CLEARANCE IN PROGRESS

6.E. HOLD A VALID PROVINCIAL DRIVERS LICENCE

6.F. DEMONSTRATES GOOD MAP READING SKILLS. THIS WILL BE ASSESSED DURING HCAP

6.G. HAVE A WORKING KNOWLEDGE OF MICROSOFT OFFICE. THIS WILL BE ASSESSED DURING HCAP

6.H. HOLD A LANGUAGE PROFILE OF CCC AS MIN IN ENGLISH. HUMINT OPS ARE NORMALLY CONDUCTED WITHIN A NATO OR COALITION ENVIRONMENT. THE COMMON WORKING LANGUAGE IS ENGLISH AND APPLICANTS FOR HUMINT DUTIES MUST THEREFORE BE FLUENT IN ORDER TO BE EFFECTIVE FOR HUMINT TRG AND EMPLOYMENT

CF PERS IN THE FOL MOCS ARE NOT ELIGIBLE FOR HUMINT EMPLOYMENT:

7.A. CHAPLAIN: MOC 61 CHAP (P), 62 CHAP (RC)

7.B. MEDICAL: MOC 48 HCA, 49 PHY TH, 52 HSO, 54 PHARM, 55 MED, 57 NUR, 58 SOCW, MP 811, 711 MED A, 713 OR TECH, 714 M LAB TECH, 715 X TECH, 716 P MED TECH, 718 BE TECH, 719 HS TECH MGR, AND

7.C. DENTAL: MOC 51 DENT, 722 DENT CL A, 725 DENT HYGST

INITIAL UNIT SCREENING. UNIT COMMANDING OFFICERS SHALL CONDUCT THE INITIAL SCREENING OF ANY INDIVIDUAL VOLUNTEERING FOR HUMINT DUTIES

8.A. IN ADDITION TO ENSURING THAT THE VOLUNTEER MEETS THE CRITERIA LISTED AT PARAS THREE, FOUR AND SIX, UNIT COMMANDING OFFICERS MUST ENSURE THAT THERE ARE NO PERSONAL, COMPASSIONATE OR ADMIN REASONS THAT WOULD PRECLUDE THE VOLUNTEER FROM EMPLOYMENT IN HUMINT OPS. AGAIN, IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT VOLUNTEERS AND THEIR UNITS MUST BE AWARE OF THE POTENTIAL FOR IMMEDIATE DEPLOYMENT FOL TRG

8.B. THE EVALUATING SUPERVISOR VIA UNIT COMMANDING OFFICERS MUST RECOMMEND, USING THEIR PROFESSIONAL JUDGEMENT, WHETHER THE VOLUNTEER APPEARS TO POSSESS THE BASIC APTITUDE FOR HUMINT OPS. TO ASSIST IN THE RECOMMENDATION, UNIT COMMANDING OFFICERS MUST ASSESS THE VOLUNTEER ON THE FOL ATTRIBUTES. EACH ATTRIBUTE IS TO BE RATED AS FOL: 1-SUBSTANTIALLY BELOW AVERAGE, 2-BELOW AVERAGE, 3-AVERAGE, 4-ABOVE AVERAGE, 5-SUPERIOR, AND N/O FOR NOT OBSERVED

8.B.(1) MATURITY. MATURE WELL BALANCED INDIVIDUAL, CONFIDENT IN HIS/HER OWN ABILITIES AND JUDGEMENT. ABLE TO WORK WITH MIN SUPERVISION IN DIFFICULT CIRCUMSTANCES. AWARE OF HIS/HER OWN LIMITATIONS AND EXERCISES INTEGRITY IN ADMITTING ERRORS AND OMISSIONS. ABLE TO CONTROL HIS/HER EMOTIONS, BE SELF-DISCIPLINED AND EVEN-TEMPERED

8.B.(2) MOTIVATION. HIGHLY MOTIVATED, WILLING TO WORK LONG HOURS, TAKE ON EXTRA TASKS AND DEMONSTRATE COMMITMENT TO THE TEAM AND THE MISSION. FOCUSED ON ACHIEVING RESULTS

8.B.(3) COMPATIBILITY. DEMONSTRATES STRONG INTER-PERSONAL QUALITIES. ABLE TO GET ALONG WITH PEOPLE OF ALL TYPES AND ESTABLISH *******. CAPABLE OF WORKING ALONGSIDE OTHER PERS OF HIGHER OR LOWER RANK AS EQUAL MEMBERS OF A TEAM

8.B.(4) RESPONSIBILITY. PROFESSIONAL AND ETHICAL ATTITUDE IN BOTH OPERATIONAL AND SOCIAL ENVIRONMENTS. ABLE TO WORK WITH MIN SUPERVISION IN DIFFICULT AND OCCASIONALLY ISOLATED CIRCUMSTANCES. ABLE TO ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY AND ENFORCE AUTHORITY WHEN NECESSARY

8.B.(5) RESOURCEFULNESS. ABLE TO ANALYZE SITUATIONS, ASSESS RISKS AND FORMULATE QUICK PLAN OF ACTION. ABLE TO BE ASSERTIVE WHEN NECESSARY. ABLE TO REPORT EVENTS ACCURATELY

NOMINATIONS. UNITS, WHEN SATISFIED THAT VOLUNTEERS HAVE MET THE BASIC SCREENING CRITERIA OUTLINED ABOVE, ARE TO FORWARD THE FOL INFO BY MESSAGE, MAIL, OR E-MAIL TO DG INT/J2 PLANS STAFF THROUGH NORMAL CHAIN OF COMMAND. MSG ADDRESS IS NDHQ INT OTTAWA//DG INT/J2 PLANS 2//. E MAIL TO BE DIRECTED TO BRILLON SGT EJM@DCDS J2 PLANS POL@OTTAWA-HULL. APPLICATIONS MUST BE RECEIVED NO LATER THAN 30 AUG 04. INFO MUST INCL:

9.A. SERVICE NUMBER

9.B. RANK

9.C. GIVEN NAME(S) AND SURNAME IN FULL

9.D. MOC

9.E. DATE AND PLACE OF BIRTH

9.F. UNIT

9.G. SUPERVISOR NAME AND CONTACT NUMBER

9.H. SECURITY CLEARANCE AND CONFIRMATION THAT THE NOMINEE HAS, OR HAS APPLIED FOR, A LEVEL 2 SECRET SECURITY CLEARANCE

9.I. BRIEF LIST OF OPERATIONAL DEPLOYMENTS

9.J. PRIMARY LANGUAGE, SECOND LANGUAGE PROFILE AND ANY OTHER LANGUAGE PROFILES

9.K. SCORE FOR EACH ATTRIBUTE IDENT IN PARAS 8.B.(1) THROUGH 8.B.(5).

9.L. COMMANDING OFFICER CONCURRENCE AND RECOMMENDATION

ON COMPLETION OF HCAP SEP 04, UNITS WILL BE ADVISED BY DG INT/J2 PLANS STAFF WHICH APPLICANTS WERE IDENT AS SUITABLE FOR FURTHER TRG. VOLUNTEERS WHOSE APPLICATIONS HAVE BEEN APPROVED WILL BE PROVIDED JOINING INSTRUCTIONS TO ATTEND ONE OF THE HCAP SERIALS NO LATER THAN 6 SEP 04. FAILURE TO BE SELECTED FOR HCAP DOES NOT REPEAT NOT AUTOMATICALLY MEAN THAT THE MEMBERS FILE WAS FOUND UNSUITABLE. GIVEN THE INTENSITY OF THE PROCESS, ONLY 64 APPLICANTS WILL BE SELECTED FOR THE SEP 04 HCAP. THOSE WHO HAVE PREVIOUSLY APPLIED AND WERE NOT SELECTED FOR THE MAY 04 HCAP NEED NOT REAPPLY AS THEIR APPLICATIONS WILL BE PROCESSED AUTOMATICALLY AND MEMBERS WILL BE ADVISED IF THEY ARE LOADED FOR THE SEP 04 HCAP. APPLICANTS FROM ALL OTHER PREVIOUS HCAPS (OTHER THAN MAY 04), WHO FOR VARIOUS REASONS WERE NOT SELECTED, ARE INVITED TO RE-APPLY ONCE MORE FOR THE SEP 04 HCAP

FOR QUESTIONS, CONTACT J2 PLANS 2-2 CAPT LANDER (613) 945-5132, CSN 627-5132, OR SGT BRILLON AT (613) 945-5126, CSN 627-5126

[Canadian Pride]

Thank you very doing that, that is very nice of you, is it alright to ask if this new unit would be considered a special forces unit or is this OPSEC too.

ps I am trying to get my username from a mod changed since I stupidly chose it without thinking about how someone needs to earn that right. I am very sorry if have upset anyone over this name. I was very stupid and I am very sorry.

[TheSteve]

Well it's been awhile since posting here.

I completed US Army Infantry OSUT and I'm doing my five jumps next week to finish up Airborne school. I can't wait to get to a unit and actually start life in the Army, although being a trainie has its perks. The guys with the tan berets pick me up right after Airborne graduation, yay.

For anyone on here interested in joining, I couldn't have been happier with my decision; especially going enlisted. I was going to finish school, but it just wasn't cutting it for me.

Its been good so far.

[Infanteer Two Seven]

Thank you very doing that, that is very nice of you, is it alright to ask if this new unit would be considered a special forces unit or is this OPSEC too.

ps I am trying to get my username from a mod changed since I stupidly chose it without thinking about how someone needs to earn that right. I am very sorry if have upset anyone over this name. I was very stupid and I am very sorry.

I myself don't see a problem because I'm far from Intel. I'm not sure if its under CANSOFCOM
but I have seen bunch of people in CFB Kingston wearing intel capbadge with tan beret.

[Canadian Pride]

Thank you for your post, Do you think though that they could be JTF2 or CSOR intel operators though

[Infanteer Two Seven]

Thank you for your post, Do you think though that they could be JTF2 or CSOR intel operators though

Sorry don't know, way off my pay grade.

[Canadian Pride]

Does anyone know if the Canadian forces pathfinder regiment is being disbanded or stopped. My friend asked a recruiter about the pathfinder regiment and he told him that he should not try out because they would not be around anymore?

[Laconian]

Well it's been awhile since posting here.

I completed US Army Infantry OSUT and I'm doing my five jumps next week to finish up Airborne school. I can't wait to get to a unit and actually start life in the Army, although being a trainie has its perks. The guys with the tan berets pick me up right after Airborne graduation, yay.

For anyone on here interested in joining, I couldn't have been happier with my decision; especially going enlisted. I was going to finish school, but it just wasn't cutting it for me.

Its been good so far.

Good job, Steve! Congrats and continued luck in your future training. Make sure they give you blood wings, Airborne.

[Infanteer Two Seven]

Does anyone know if the Canadian forces pathfinder regiment is being disbanded or stopped. My friend asked a recruiter about the pathfinder regiment and he told him that he should not try out because they would not be around anymore?

To my knowledge there is no Pathfinder regiment but pathfinders sections exist in jump companies/CSOR.
Dude seriously you ask too many questions if you want uber cool jobs why don't you sign up for Combat arms (Infantry) first!!!!
they don't recruit people to Pathfinder Pls from street. join up prove yourself and you can be a Rambo.

[T-5 Killer]

Well it's been awhile since posting here.

I completed US Army Infantry OSUT and I'm doing my five jumps next week to finish up Airborne school. I can't wait to get to a unit and actually start life in the Army, although being a trainie has its perks. The guys with the tan berets pick me up right after Airborne graduation, yay.

For anyone on here interested in joining, I couldn't have been happier with my decision; especially going enlisted. I was going to finish school, but it just wasn't cutting it for me.

Its been good so far.

Congrats!!! Hooah Airborne!