Relation Israel and Iran (before revolution)

[11:55]

I read in the book of Golda Meir that Iran and Israel had a desent relation before the revolution. This because they aren't arabic and something else I forgot ( )..

Can someone tell me more about this?

[Moledet]

The relations were very good in all levels.
Israel (more correctly Shimon Peres) offered the Iranians help in buildings a nuclear reactor for electricity in Busher, though they preferred the help of the French and Germans.
Another example is that the IDF wanted to sell old tanks to Pakistan, since it doesn't recognize Israel we had to sell the tanks to Iran and it sold it to Pakistan and shared the profits with Israel.
Israel also helped Iran in building a ground to ground missiles plant, Ezer Wiseman at that time the Defence minister in Begin's government signed a contract for building a missiles factory in Iran and he sent Israeli experts there.

[gaijinsamurai]

My uncle worked for Iranian Aircraft Industries in the 1970s. He told me they used to regularly receive parts and technology from Israel, but had to keep it hush-hush (even though it was fairly well known) in order not to anger the Muslim fundamentalists.

My perception, for what it's worth, is that most Iranians, other than the religious extremists, are really not interested in the Israeli-Arab conflict, and would prefer to be neutral on the issue.
But, like Turkey, as a predominantly Muslim country, Iran had to be sensitive on the issue, even before the 1979 Revolution.

[justagoodolboy]

I read in the book of Golda Meir that Iran and Israel had a desent relation before the revolution. This because they aren't arabic and something else I forgot ( )..

Can someone tell me more about this?

The larger majority of Iranians are Persian, not Arabic.

[IDF_TANKER]

The larger majority of Iranians are Persian, not Arabic.

That's what he said.

[CMEPTb]

A book called "Charlie Wilson's War" talks a little about Israel's relation with Iran in the 80's, including Iran Contra, and arms sales to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan (or just waite until Tom Hanks' movie comes out)

[justagoodolboy]

That's what he said.

yeah at first glance I thought he was asking that as a question but I realized he was establishing that as a fact, and then asking the question.

[MPNFL]

The relations were very good in all levels.
Israel (more correctly Shimon Peres) offered the Iranians help in buildings a nuclear reactor for electricity in Busher, though they preferred the help of the French and Germans.
Another example is that the IDF wanted to sell old tanks to Pakistan, since it doesn't recognize Israel we had to sell the tanks to Iran and it sold it to Pakistan and shared the profits with Israel.
Israel also helped Iran in building a ground to ground missiles plant, Ezer Wiseman at that time the Defence minister in Begin's government signed a contract for building a missiles factory in Iran and he sent Israeli experts there.

im hoping within the next decade Pakistan starts diplomatic relations with Israel

[kraf001]

I wouldn't call relationship between Iran and Israel prior to revolution "good"... Israel was just another nation like US or Britain which took advantage of Iran's puppet leader...

You see this is a general misconception that Westerners have about Iran.. they think Iran had good relationship with Western nations before revolution.. this is simply a lie... unless you redefine the "good relationship"... normally good relationship means relationships that are mutually beneficial for both nation... Like relationship between most European nations...

In Iran's case it was different... Iran was ruled by a Western puppet and Western nations took full advantage of it without giving much... basically Iran was an oil pump... at the start (before 1952 coup) if you had string attached to puppet shah in your hand you could get cheap oil but after the event strategy changed.. now you had to pay full price BUT (very big but that is) you could pay for it with anything you want (17+ billion USD arms deal anyone?)...

meanwhile ppl of Iran had to suffer under a dictator supported by Western nations... get tortured by Savak forces trained by Israelis, etc... you see in reality Western nations weren't even a partial ally of Iran (WWII invasion of Iran anyone? separation of Bahrain from Iran anyone?)...

now I didn't say all these to make a comparison with current form of Iran which obviously has its own set of problems... so don't take this as a support for current situation in Iran... just a reality check!

p.s. I have to admit though, I have read enough disturbing comments on these boards made by Israeli members about Iran to wonder if The Great Cyrus committed a mistake when it came to Jews 2500 years ago...

[Nano]

I wouldn't call relationship between Iran and Israel prior to revolution "good"... Israel was just another nation like US or Britain which took advantage of Iran's puppet leader...

You see this is a general misconception that Westerners have about Iran.. they think Iran had good relationship with Western nations before revolution.. this is simply a lie... unless you redefine the "good relationship"... normally good relationship means relationships that are mutually beneficial for both nation... Like relationship between most European nations...

In Iran's case it was different... Iran was ruled by a Western puppet and Western nations took full advantage of it without giving much... basically Iran was an oil pump... at the start (before 1952 coup) if you had string attached to puppet shah in your hand you could get cheap oil but after the event strategy changed.. now you had to pay full price BUT (very big but that is) you could pay for it with anything you want (17+ billion USD arms deal anyone?)...

meanwhile ppl of Iran had to suffer under a dictator supported by Western nations... get tortured by Savak forces trained by Israelis, etc... you see in reality Western nations weren't even a partial ally of Iran (WWII invasion of Iran anyone? separation of Bahrain from Iran anyone?)...

now I didn't say all these to make a comparison with current form of Iran which obviously has its own set of problems... so don't take this as a support for current situation in Iran... just a reality check!

p.s. I have to admit though, I have read enough disturbing comments on these boards made by Israeli members about Iran to wonder if The Great Cyrus committed a mistake when it came to Jews 2500 years ago...

Good explanation for those who have some warped view on what "good relations" meant in the context of Iran.

Kraf that was not a nice thing to say about The Great Cyrus. It is an issue of today and the various competing national interests including those of Iran. Honestly Iran could go a lot further to quell fears about its nuclear program. Iran's Supreme leader needs to have its president whacked or at the very least have his mouth duct taped before he spews more stupidity. He not need to contribute given the amount of it going around one side spews more than enough for everyone.

[CMEPTb]

p.s. I have to admit though, I have read enough disturbing comments on these boards made by Israeli members about Iran to wonder if The Great Cyrus committed a mistake when it came to Jews 2500 years ago...

There goes your credibility.

[tanks_alot]

p.s. I have to admit though, I have read enough disturbing comments on these boards made by Israeli members about Iran to wonder if The Great Cyrus committed a mistake when it came to Jews 2500 years ago...

Right, because i'm sure modern Islamic Iran is everything Cyrus the great ever wanted for the Persian people and more....

but i'll tell you what, having your country mock the worst disaster thet has ever befallen the jewish people, conduct a proxy war against Israel and threaten to destroy it, might result in a number of reactions which among the least of them, is some not so firendly comments in an internet forum.

nice generalization though!

[Lord Of War]

you see in reality Western nations weren't even a partial ally of Iran (WWII invasion of Iran anyone? separation of Bahrain from Iran anyone?)...

You can't really use that as an example to help prove your point that the west "used" Iran's pre-revoultion Government. The Invasion was justified IMO, because of Iran's sympethetic stance towards Germany during 1941.

And btw, I am also aware that the Allies invaded to secure oil supplies and a score an additional supply route to the Soviet Union.

[tehran2002]

I wouldn't call relationship between Iran and Israel prior to revolution "good"... Israel was just another nation like US or Britain which took advantage of Iran's puppet leader...

You see this is a general misconception that Westerners have about Iran.. they think Iran had good relationship with Western nations before revolution.. this is simply a lie... unless you redefine the "good relationship"... normally good relationship means relationships that are mutually beneficial for both nation... Like relationship between most European nations...

In Iran's case it was different... Iran was ruled by a Western puppet and Western nations took full advantage of it without giving much... basically Iran was an oil pump... at the start (before 1952 coup) if you had string attached to puppet shah in your hand you could get cheap oil but after the event strategy changed.. now you had to pay full price BUT (very big but that is) you could pay for it with anything you want (17+ billion USD arms deal anyone?)...

meanwhile ppl of Iran had to suffer under a dictator supported by Western nations... get tortured by Savak forces trained by Israelis, etc... you see in reality Western nations weren't even a partial ally of Iran (WWII invasion of Iran anyone? separation of Bahrain from Iran anyone?)...

now I didn't say all these to make a comparison with current form of Iran which obviously has its own set of problems... so don't take this as a support for current situation in Iran... just a reality check!

p.s. I have to admit though, I have read enough disturbing comments on these boards made by Israeli members about Iran to wonder if The Great Cyrus committed a mistake when it came to Jews 2500 years ago...

As much as I hate the shah I still respect him for what he did for Iran . The shah was always pushing for higher prices per barrel while other countries wanted to lower it so I don’t see how you came to a conclusion that Iran was a oil pump . Was it because the US was our number one customer? The mullahs are selling oil cheaper than the shah was but I never see you say one negative thing about the mullahs on this forum , and I wonder why ?
And shah was actually spending oil on improving the country while the mullahs are spending it on their stomachs . Shah during his last years as the leader of Iran was not friendly to the US , he often openly bashed the United States . He might have been brought to power by the Americans but he gradually tried to distance himself and establish a more independent country .
You talk about Savak torturing people which was wrong but I failed to see you once mention the Islamic Republic torturing people or killing them , why is that? Why do you always focus on what happened on the past , you criticize a regime that doesn’t exist but you fail to criticize a regime that exists today and is just as bad if not worse than the shahs regime .

[kraf001]

As much as I hate the shah I still respect him for what he did for Iran . The shah was always pushing for higher prices per barrel while other countries wanted to lower it so I don’t see how you came to a conclusion that Iran was a oil pump . Was it because the US was our number one customer? The mullahs are selling oil cheaper than the shah was but I never see you say one negative thing about the mullahs on this forum , and I wonder why ?
And shah was actually spending oil on improving the country while the mullahs are spending it on their stomachs . Shah during his last years as the leader of Iran was not friendly to the US , he often openly bashed the United States . He might have been brought to power by the Americans but he gradually tried to distance himself and establish a more independent country .
You talk about Savak torturing people which was wrong but I failed to see you once mention the Islamic Republic torturing people or killing them , why is that? Why do you always focus on what happened on the past , you criticize a regime that doesn’t exist but you fail to criticize a regime that exists today and is just as bad if not worse than the shahs regime .

learn to read:

now I didn't say all these to make a comparison with current form of Iran which obviously has its own set of problems... so don't take this as a support for current situation in Iran... just a reality check!