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    Quote Originally Posted by nickless View Post
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    That's not quite true. The infantry batallions all have a number of K's that are usually used by their snipers or the pathfinder platoon in case of the airborne troops. The Feldjäger (military police) also have quite a few G36K.
    That's what I wanted to say. I intended to show that the MP7 is not replacing the G36k which is not issued in large numbers throughout the Bundeswehr. I think there was a misunderstanding before that the G36k had a role like the M4 in US Armed Forces.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShadowSpear View Post
    They're hardly the same bullet.
    That much is true.

    The 4.6 has a muzzle velocity higher than that of the 5.56.
    That's plain wrong: The MP7 reaches a muzzle velocity of about 725 mps/2400 fps, a 5.56mm rifle reaches more than 900 mps/3000 fps.

    Since it's a fairly recently and specially designed bullet, only three guns in the world are chambered for it. The HK MP7/MP7A1, The HK UCP, and the Steyr TMP.
    The UCP project seems to have been canceled. Also, Steyr does not produce the TMP any more, it is now offered by Brugger&Thomet as the "MP9" - in 9mm only.

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    [quote=nickless;2346903]That much is true.


    That's plain wrong: The MP7 reaches a muzzle velocity of about 725 mps/2400 fps, a 5.56mm rifle reaches more than 900 mps/3000 fps.

    W.E. So I got one fact wrong...my mistake.

    The MP7A1 is still better in terms of CQB, Armor-Penetration, and Rate of Fire.

    The MP7A1 has a fire rate of 950-1150 rpm depending on the ammo type.
    The M16A4 has a fire rate of 750-900 rpm depending on the ammo type.

    The M16 has a higher muzzle velocity, has been in service a lot longer, is better for medium-lon range fighting, and is good for adaptibility. Those are the only fields where the M16 outranks the MP7A1 and in today's battles most soldiers want a weapon that's small, effective, reliable, and powerful.

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    Did anyone notice that the G36 like carry handle/scope system mounted on the MG 4 in the close up picture is rail mounted?

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    Quote Originally Posted by qwerty2 View Post
    Did anyone notice that the G36 like carry handle/scope system mounted on the MG 4 in the close up picture is rail mounted?
    Thats not the G36 carry handle/scope system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nickless View Post
    it is now offered by Brugger&Thomet as the "MP9" - in 9mm only.


    B&T have chambered prototypes in 4.6mm.

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    Which happens to be why I said the "G36 like" carry handle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macs. View Post
    Dong, my fault.

    MG43 is what HK calls it, MG4 is just the name used by our army.
    there are some clear differences between the guns shown in these pictures though.

    The MG4 looks very nice!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShadowSpear View Post
    W.E. So I got one fact wrong...my mistake.
    Well... two.

    The MP7A1 is still better in terms of CQB, Armor-Penetration, and Rate of Fire.

    The MP7A1 has a fire rate of 950-1150 rpm depending on the ammo type.
    The M16A4 has a fire rate of 750-900 rpm depending on the ammo type.

    The M16 has a higher muzzle velocity, has been in service a lot longer, is better for medium-lon range fighting, and is good for adaptibility. Those are the only fields where the M16 outranks the MP7A1 and in today's battles most soldiers want a weapon that's small, effective, reliable, and powerful.
    Stop quoting the ad brochures!

    The MP7 was designed to be a personal defense weapon, not an assault rifle. If you compare the MP7 to an assault rifle, just look at this: The M7 has a muzzle energy of 420 Joules, a 5.56mm assault rifle has 1800 - more than four times the energy! And people are still complaining about 5.56mm ammo being too weak... go figure.

    Also, the MP7 does not penetrate armor better than a 5.56mm assault rifle: The PDWs responding to the NATO requst back in 1989 had to able to defeat the CRISAT armor target, but any assault rifle can do that easily. They are just superiour to pistols and submachine guns - using classic military ball ammunition - in terms armor penetration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobbo_ View Post
    So the diemaco's has the same design on the charging handle as every other AR-15 right? Only the selector is ambidextrous...
    C7A1s have no ambidextrous parts, the C7A2 does, and has a rod on the charging-handle that goes all the way to the right side. You can push it and it will act as a lever and pull the unlocking mechanism on the left side. The ambidextrous magazine release on the C7A2 works the same way, as a lever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nickless View Post
    Well... two.


    Also, the MP7 does not penetrate armor better than a 5.56mm assault rifle: The PDWs responding to the NATO requst back in 1989 had to able to defeat the CRISAT armor target, but any assault rifle can do that easily. They are just superiour to pistols in submachine guns - using classic military ball ammunition - in terms armor penetration.
    That seems to be the issue whenever I read threads about these weapons; the PDW calibres are designed to penetrate armour better than PISTOLS (specifically the 9 x 19mm NATO ball ammunition, or whatever it is), not rifles. Comparing them to rifles therefore seems kinda dumb, but hey, I don't know **** so what are you gonna do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShadowSpear View Post
    They're hardly the same bullet.
    He never said they were the same bullet. He said they both fired a bullet.

    Geez. You fail at being funny.

    Why does everyone on here feel like they need to flex their knowledge, and half of the people who do "flex" don't have any real knowledge to show off. Just lots of flabby fat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ReggayMC View Post
    hey man they both fire like bullets or something!
    Dude, learn to read.
    He said they, "fire like bullets" as in they are common or same. They really aren't the same and they're hardley like one another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShadowSpear View Post
    Dude, learn to read.
    He said they, "fire like bullets" as in they are common or same. They really aren't the same and they're hardley like one another.

    Ok, let's all get this straight...

    When he said "like" he did NOT mean common or the same. He was using it as it is commonly used in slang, just as filler. For example:

    I mean, like, it just seemed so, like, obvious to me but like, maybe that was just like me or something.

    To the original poster:
    That was actually really funny!

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    For gods sake im in this thread to learn about the MP7, not literary interperatation! He didnt mean the same round, i doubt hes that stupid.

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