Congratulation Beatles ... ... ... I can't fault your enthusiasm, but isn't it about time you knocked the never-ending "tribute videos" on the head or perhaps start a separate topic rather than keep posting them here.
i see where you are coming From DW58 so i shall do as you request sirOriginally Posted by DeltaWhisky58
i was watching remember the Ghalahad recently i was woundering though shouldn't the entire welsh Guards Batt disimbarked at the same locatiopn at once and all together rather then disimbarking in broad daylight?
Beatles - the situation regarding the disembarkation of the Welsh Guards from the RFA Sir Galahad is a contentious issue discussed at length by Ewan Southby-Tailyour in "Reasons In Writing".
In essence, as OC RM Landing Craft for the campaign, Maj S-T effectively ranked as a Lieut. Col. for the purpose of the landings and had primacy. He ordered the Welsh ashore, but their OC (Company Cdr. - Major) refused to disembark his troops against orders and advice. Despite this, no action was taken against the Guards officer who was later promoted. I'm not going to name the officer here, but his identity doesn't take to much digging to confirm. Major S-T did much soul searching over the issue as you can read in his book, the one I sent you.
It was criminal negligence resulting in many deaths and serious injuries but the officer concerned got off scott free.
so basically there was no court martial about the June 8th incident that took place that ended up with 48 Guardsmen KIA yes?
also wouldn't it have been safer to land the Welsh Guards at night though?
No action taken at all. If the Welsh Guards had been landed at night they would have been safe and the Sir Galahad could have sailed thus avoiding being bombed.
As I said above, all of this is detailed in the book I sent you.
also i believe it is mention in remember the Ghalahad if i am not correct DW
Rfa olmeda
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you have hms antelope mv norland and rfa olmeda kind regards mike g rfa tidepool 1982
Last edited by michael griffiths (taffy); 10-29-2009 at 08:48 AM.
Thanks for the ID, Mike.
And thanks for your service, too.
Good Morning Mr Delta Whisky
Good Morning Mr Delta Whisky , I have been reading on the other Forum a new post were it seems to be that in a Book " Forgotten Voices of The Falklands , someone with the name of Mr Fairlane has written that the HMS Coventry had suffer the Lost of about 200 Men -
I have not read the Book , I know that The Lost of Men from both Sides are what each Goverment has Officially announced , Is this the case as it has happen on our side that some Historians put in numbers without any backup ? - Have you read the Book Sir ? Your Thoughts Please -
Thank You Sir
Regards Enrique
Gimme a break Enrique, surely your not so gullible as to believe anything like that. The Falklands conflict is so well documented and by so many sources, such a claim is utterly ridiculous.
Yes I have read the book and I have it in my collection, but I wouldn't class it as one of the better accounts of the conflict. It is edited by an officer who served in the conflict, but I was in my opinion hastily prepared and poorly edited.
Every British death is well documented, it's not difficult to verify every one - why would British casualties be suppressed, no there were not 200 losses on HMS Coventry, and despite what the Argie Air Force/Navy claim, HMS Invincible wasn't even damaged, let alone sunk.
It's 27 years since Argentina invaded British Sovereign territory and got kicked back into the sea - the conflict is fully documented, lets accept that - yes?
Mr Delta Whisky
I do accept that Sir that is why I have written : " Lost of Men in the Conflict is what has been reported by each Goverment "
Now it's clear to me that as you have suggested this would not be the best book from where to take accounts or numbers seriously -
An I brought it to your attention since some ( on the other Forum) have taken the book as if it were the Bible concerning loss of Men , Which had such a difference in numbers concerning those losses that my first thought was to request your opinion -
Reagrds Enrique
I don't understand why people on what you describe as "the other forum" have decided that this particular volume should be THE authority on the matter of losses. By "the other forum" I take it that this is one with an Argentine point of view, why can't people accept that there is no evidence to suggest officially published figures aren't correct.
I am not prepared to get into any discussion over claimed but not verified figures - what reason would there be to suppress casualties? It's 27 years ago and dozens of accounts by members of HMS Coventry's crew have been published along with full casualty lists. Why can't members of "the other forum" accept this?
I think that it's hardly fair to use this forum as a means of answering questions that members of "the other forum" are unable (or more likely unwilling) to accept. "The other forum" ought to stand on its own feet and make its own decisions.
Sir
You know very well that I agee with you -
The only reason I can see of why this is happening is that the Falklands War was the only one fought by my Country in the last 100 years -
Because of that , what ever was reported about an accion , that same day became Official without been confirmed -
Which ever report or Story told about the Conflict that would show that we may have done more than what we realy did ( even if unconfirmed ) would have been consudered a fact that it did happen as it was reported or Told -
let me continue with my thought
On the other side you have Great Britain with several conflicts fought during the last Century , with that experience any thing that has been reported or told in a story will have to be confirmed before becoming lets call it " Official "
So as soon as someone comes with the story ( as for example what was said in that book ) that with HMS Coventry there had been more death than reported ( which is incorrect ) , everyone comes forward saying , well there is more than what has been said -
And I don't agree with that wrong thought , I know and understand very well that you don't hide the death of your Heroes , all the contrary you bring them to live ebvery time you have the oprtunity - In a Ceremony , In the Cementery , in each Aniversary -
But it's clear it takes time to become mature , and understand how things are - Saddly this has not happen yet on our side -
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