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    That Magnificent Flying Machine
    Monday, Jun. 07, 1982

    Trying to retake the Falklands, the British task force needed three kinds of warplanes: a naval interceptor to protect the fleet, a ground-attack aircraft to soften up enemy defenses on the islands, and an agile troop-support plane to cover British forces as they advance from their bridgehead toward the main Argentine garrison at Port Stanley. All those roles have been filled by what the British regard as their magnificent flying machine: the Sea Harrier, a vertical short-takeoff and landing jet whose maneuverability and advanced avionics have made it more than a match for the land-based attack aircraft that Buenos Aires has launched against the British fleet. British Defense Ministry sources estimate that the Harriers have been responsible for two-thirds of the 69 Argentine planes and helicopters London claims have been destroyed, while none of the six lost Harriers have been shot down by enemy planes.



    With a maximum cruising speed of only 690 m.p.h., the Sea Harrier would seem to be at a disadvantage against Argentina's faster Mirage III-EAs. But in the Falklands, the Mirages have to sacrifice speed as, heavily loaded, they come in low to try to get under the radar. The Harrier fights best low and slow. With its maneuverability, it can stop in midair, hover, veer off sharply in new directions and land on almost any flat surface. Armed with 1,000-lb. cluster bombs for ground attack, and 30-mm guns and U.S.-built AIM-9L Sidewinder heat-seeking missiles, the Sea Harrier has an advanced avionics and radar system that allows it to fly day or night in any weather, unlike Argentina's Mirages and Skyhawks. Says a Harrier flyer: "It's a pilot's dream."

    The British task force set sail for the Falklands with 20 Sea Harriers. After a few losses, three replacements were hastily dispatched, and additional reinforcements of 18 Harriers arrived in time for the San Carlos landing. These planes have provided the task force's only cover against an Argentine force that numbered some 230 planes at the outset of hostilities.

    The same devices that give the Harrier its ability to take off vertically also permit it to outmaneuver conventional aircraft by using a technique known as "viffing" (from Vector in Forward Flight). By adjusting his exhaust nozzles to reverse the thrust, the pilot can cause his plane to decelerate rapidly and veer to the side. "You want to smash through the canopy, but the harness tightens over your shoulders, holds you down at the waist. You think you are stopping at 12,000 ft.," wrote British Journalist John Edwards, who was given a demonstration ride in a Harrier last week. In combat, a sudden viff usually causes a pursuing fighter to overshoot. Explains one veteran Harrier pilot: "From being the attacking aircraft, it becomes the attacked."



    Once he gets an enemy plane in front of him, a Harrier pilot can rely on sophisticated electronics to make his kill. The forward-and down-looking "Blue Fox" radar spots the target at distances of up to 40 miles. A TV-like display screen on the windshield flashes the computerized tracking data that tell the pilot when to fire. Since the latest version of the Sidewinder missile carried by the Sea Harrier has what the experts call a wide-angle "boresight," the pilot only has to aim in the general direction of his target—within 40 degrees—and press a button. The Sidewinder missile does the rest, homing in on the target with an infra-red sensor that detects the enemy's hot engine or exhaust nozzle.

    Until the Sea Harrier faced its first real full-scale combat test, no one knew for sure how it would perform its many duties. Its success over the South Atlantic, notes a veteran Harrier pilot, proves that even in the microchip age "mobility, flexibility and surprise are still as important as they ever were."

    http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...951776,00.html

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    Did the RN pilots actually use VIFFing in combat? I've read articles both confirming and denying it happened.

    Edit: Found the answer myself. It never happened.
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    Excellent article, thanks.

    Quote Originally Posted by rob_e_bee View Post
    Did the RN pilots actually use VIFFing in combat? I've read articles both confirming and denying it happened.
    The media made a big deal of this at the time, but despite having read several books on the air combat of the Falklands Crisis (e.g. Sea Harrier Over The Falklands, Sharkey Ward; Hostile Skies, David Morgan; Falklands Air War, Chris Hobson & Sea Harrier - The Last British Fighter, Jamie Hunter), I've not come across any hard evidence. To be honest, with a superior aircraft, AIM-9L and the best pilots, I don't think it was really necessary.

    VIFFing has been used on ACM exercises with various aircraft (incl. F-14/15/16/18, Mirage 2000, MiG-29 etc.) and it really does work, however the Sea Harrier was incredibly agile in any case, and often didn't need it to socre a "paper" kill. Why on earth the MoD retired the Sea Harrier FA.2 early I just don't know, it was a world class air defence fighter with superb radar - Madness!

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    BBC Radio 4 Interview with British Sea Harrier pilot David Morgan and Argentinean Skyhawk pilot Hector Sanchez.

    The 8th June 1982 changed the lives of pilots David Morgan and Hector Sanchez forever.
    They both survived a savage battle in the South Atlantic, but they didn't know what would come next.


    Falklands war veteran David Morgan lives in an English rural idyll, in a house he lovingly restored himself. The only sounds to be heard are those of birds, the gentle breeze and the occasional passenger jet passing over head. Twenty years ago his life was very different.

    David became the most decorated pilot in the Falklands War, receiving three medals including the Distinguished Service Cross for bravery. He faced death daily, and as a consequence has had to fight his inner demons.

    The British underestimated the competence of the Argentinean pilots who were well trained, skilled and very brave. The British pilots were fortunate. Their Sea-Harriers were more manoeuvrable, more suited to get the job done, and British tactics were more up to date. But the fact is that both sides were stretched to the limit. David was nearly shot down by Argentinean pilot Hector Sanchez and that battle changed both their lives and their families lives forever.

    On return from the Falklands, David's family life began to crack as the trauma of the battles and losing loved ones took hold. Yet help came from an unlikely source.

    Hector Sanchez had a burning ambition to meet up with the man who so nearly shot him down. Ten years after they met in combat, with help of a journalist and mutual friend, they came together in an English pub. Their families are now good friends. But the constant reminder and effects of their war never really go away, the nightmare periodically returns in unexpected ways.

    http://db.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/f...ogramme2.shtml

    Direct link to interview

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    Brew a cup of tea, put your feet up and listen to this 30 minute interview/history lesson!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rob_e_bee View Post
    BBC Radio 4 Interview with British Sea Harrier pilot David Morgan and Argentinean Skyhawk pilot Hector Sanchez.

    The 8th June 1982 changed the lives of pilots David Morgan and Hector Sanchez forever.
    They both survived a savage battle in the South Atlantic, but they didn't know what would come next.

    Falklands war veteran David Morgan lives in an English rural idyll, in a house he lovingly restored himself. The only sounds to be heard are those of birds, the gentle breeze and the occasional passenger jet passing over head. Twenty years ago his life was very different.

    David became the most decorated pilot in the Falklands War, receiving three medals including the Distinguished Service Cross for bravery. He faced death daily, and as a consequence has had to fight his inner demons.

    The British underestimated the competence of the Argentinean pilots who were well trained, skilled and very brave. The British pilots were fortunate. Their Sea-Harriers were more manoeuvrable, more suited to get the job done, and British tactics were more up to date. But the fact is that both sides were stretched to the limit. David was nearly shot down by Argentinean pilot Hector Sanchez and that battle changed both their lives and their families lives forever.

    On return from the Falklands, David's family life began to crack as the trauma of the battles and losing loved ones took hold. Yet help came from an unlikely source.

    Hector Sanchez had a burning ambition to meet up with the man who so nearly shot him down. Ten years after they met in combat, with help of a journalist and mutual friend, they came together in an English pub. Their families are now good friends. But the constant reminder and effects of their war never really go away, the nightmare periodically returns in unexpected ways.

    http://db.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/f...ogramme2.shtml

    Direct link to interview

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    Brew a cup of tea, put your feet up and listen to this 30 minute interview/history lesson!
    Thanks Rob_e_bee.

    You can read David Morgan's story in Hostile Skies

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    l hope this is not repost..

    Coming soon - Falklands 25th Anniversary Exhibition

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    Many thanks.

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    Veterans of 1982 still guard the Falklands

    25 Apr 07

    Two sailors serving aboard HMS Edinburgh off the Falklands first came to the islands during the war. Find out more about their experiences in a report by Graham Bound.


    Remembrance: visiting the British war memorial at Blue Beach, ****y Davies (left) and Mark "Bungy" Edwards find the names of colleagues lost during air attacks in 1982
    [Picture: Richard Cave]

    Warrant Officer First Class ****y Davies and Chief Petty Officer Mark "Bungy" Edwards are veterans of the bomb and missile attacks.

    Back in 1982, ****y was a 21-year-old leading seaman aboard HMS Broadsword, and Bungy was an artificer apprentice on HMS Yarmouth.

    ****y remembered the landings of 21 May 1982 vividly:
    "In the afternoon, the Argentines came at us in waves of four to six aircraft. The high ground around San Carlos meant the ship's radar was of little use. Generally, the crew had to man their guns and hope for the best."

    Aboard Yarmouth, Bungy was a member of a damage control party and waited below decks:
    "I was in blissful ignorance of most of the things going on outside," he recalled.
    A few days later, Broadsword, with ****y aboard, was back out at sea, but there was no safety there. Broadsword was near Coventry when the latter was hit by four Skyhawks. The Type 42 destroyer capsized with the loss of 19 men. ****y and his shipmates helped the survivors board their ship. Some were clutching nothing but letters received from their loved ones.

    Bungy's ship, HMS Yarmouth, rushed to the assistance of HMS Sheffield when the destroyer was hit by an Exocet. He recalled:
    "I was using a hose to cool the heli-deck, as she was carrying torpedoes there. We tried to tow Sheffield to South Georgia, but she sank under tow."

    Looking back on the terrible events of 25 years ago, ****y said:
    "We grew up very quickly then. I allow myself to visit the war occasionally. It comes back when it wants to. If I go to church, I spend a few minutes thinking about the guys."
    Defence Internet News - Falklands 25

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    this argentenian rh202 20mm AA gun was captured in falkland wars...
    l saw it in the İmperial War Museum in 1999 my first london visit...

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    Thanks again.

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    Default Falklands War 25 years ago, Sinking the RFA Sir Galahad

    Falklands War 25 years ago, Sinking the RFA Sir Galahad



    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BwU4Jw-Irw

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    thanks for all of the articles guys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SAS73 View Post
    Falklands War 25 years ago, Sinking the RFA Sir Galahad



    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BwU4Jw-Irw

    Idiot. Do you see us Brits posting videos of us giving your troops/air force a good whipping? No.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMongoose View Post
    Idiot. Do you see us Brits posting videos of us giving your troops/air force a good whipping? No.
    This is his third attempt to derail the thread with film of British ships sinking/burning - he has left the building.

    As The Mongoose says, there has been no attempt to belittle Argentine forces on this thread, there is mutual respect from both sides, it's a shame that SAS73 - who incidentally is posting from Colombia - can't see that.

    It's ironic really that over the years, there has been far more flaming on Falklands/Malvinas-related threads from residents of other South/Latin American nations, than there has been from Argentine posters, most of whom post in a civilised manner.

    This has developed into a superb historic thread and I will not tolerate any derailment/flaming of it from any quarter.

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    [DW58]The following article refers to John Nott, the Conservative Defence Secretary in 1982

    John Nott's Story

    By Harold Briley
    (Falkland Islands Newsletter No.81, May 2002)

    Here Today, Gone Tomorrow

    Revelations of the conduct of the 1982 War are contained in a book by the British Defence Secretary at the time, Sir John Nott. He tells his version for the first time of the tensions in Margaret Thatcher's War Cabinet, of his feud with the head of the Royal Navy, of how British agents denied Argentina supplies of the feared Exocet missile, and how France advised on ways to counter the missiles. The book's title 'Here Today, Gone Tomorrow' derives from a controversial BBC television interview which he angrily quit when accused of being only a transient politician.

    Falklands Navy Chief faced dismissal

    He reveals that the Chief of Naval Staff, Admiral Sir Henry Leach, who persuaded Margaret Thatcher that the Falklands could be re-taken from the Argentines, when the Ministry of Defence advised they could not, was on the verge of being sacked or resigning a few months earlier for campaigning against Nott's proposed Navy cuts, including the aircraft carrier HMS Invincible and the Antarctic vessel HMS Endurance. The book says both Mrs Thatcher and Deputy Prime Minister Willie Whitelaw were outraged that he was undermining Nott's authority and said 'he must go'. But Nott successfullly dissuaded them not to blight Leach's distinguished forty year career.

    World-wide plot to block Argentine Exocets

    Nott reveals that France and President Mitterand "were in many ways (Britain's) greatest allies". The most formidable weapon in Argentina's arsenal was the French built Super Etendard strike aircraft and Exocet missile which sank some British ships. Nott writes: "As soon as the conflict began Hernou (French Defence Minister) got in touch with me to make available a Super-Etendard and Mirage aircraft so our Harrier pilots could train against them before setting off to the South Atlantic. The French supplied detailed technical information on the Exocet, showing us how to tamper with the missiles.

    Britain launched a clandestine international plot to block supplies to Argentina. "A remarkable world-wide operation then ensured to prevent further Exocets being bought by Argentina. I authorised our agents to pose as bona fide purchasers of equipment on the international market, ensuring that we outbid the Argentineans. Other agents identified Exocet missiles in various markets and covertly rendered them inoperable, based on information from the French. It was a remarkably successful operation. In spite of strenuous efforts by several countries, particularly the Israelis and South Africans, to help Argentina, we succeeded in intercepting and preventing the supply of further equipment to the Argentines."

    Belgrano sinking 'justified'

    On the controversial torpedoing of the cruiser Belgrano, Britain, as well as declaring the 200-mile total exclusion zone around the Falklands, warned Argentina this was 'without prejudice to the right of the UK to take whatever additional measures may be needed in its exercise of the right of self-defence, under Article 51 of the United Nations Charter'. On April 23rd Britain sent a warning to the Argentine Government and published it internationally, declaring 'Her Majesty's Government now wishes to make clear that any approach on the part of Argentine warships including submarines, naval auxiliaries or military aircraft which could amount to a threat to interfere with the mission of British forces in the South Atlantic will encounter the appropriate response.'

    The Argentines did not similarly warn Britain before attacking the Royal Marines' barracks near Stanley. "It is often forgotten that the only reason why we had not suffered loss of life to the Marines in the initial assault by Argentine forces was that following our receipt of the intercepted Argentine signal to invade, we instructed the Marines to abandon their barracks at Moody Brook and disperse themselves around the Island." Nott says he is astonished that anyone should consider the "momentary compass bearing of the Belgrano's passage to be of any consequence whatever .... She was sunk in international waters in strict conformity with the warnings that we had given - and for us to have taken any other decision, given her threat to the Fleet, would have been a serious dereliction of duty on our part."

    "Shocked by terrible loss of life"

    "I was shocked when I heard of the terrible loss of life, and I regret it deeply .... That was the consequence of a war we did not initiate .... This incident did in fact save many British lives. If we had been forced to contend with an aggressive Argentine navy as well as the courageous Argentine pilots, things might have been different .... Admiral Anaya, the most aggressive member of the Argentine junta and more than anyone responsible for the conflict in the first place, decided to keep the Argentine surface fleet in port following the sinking of the Belgrano. By neturalising the whole of the Argentine Navy, our decision proved to be correct and fully justified."

    The Task Force Commander, Admiral Sir John 'Sandy' Woodward, had also been given rules of engagement enabling him to attack the aircraft carrier Veintecinco de Mayo wherever he found her. A British submarine did detect her but as the land campaign was nearly over, it was decided not to sink her.

    Chile's "importance very great"

    Nott writes that South American countries declared their support for Argentina, with the single exception of Chile, "whose importance, with its long-standing rivalry and fear of Argentina, was very great .... If we had been able to use a South American airfield, even for a diversion in an emergency, it would have made the whole operation easier .... We wanted to use (Chile's) airfields for stationing our Nimrod maritime patrol aircraft so they could hunt down the Argentine submarines, which were a real threat. They would also have been valuable to monitor the movement of the task force .... We had no satellite coverage at all of the South Atlantic .... I don't think we ever expected the Chileans would allow us to station aircraft on their soil, though we tried to do a deal. We were never successful, but in several respects the Chilean link proved very valuable to use."

    "Splendid Weinberger and Pentagon"


    Criticising the US State Department and President Reagan for their Latin American sympathies, Nott sarcastically writes: "I wondered if Reagan knew where Europe was .... The State Department was dominated by the Latinos, who saw President Reagan's Latin American policy going down the drain."

    By contrast he strongly praises US Defence Secretary Caspar Weinberger and the Pengtagon. "Weinberger was splendid from the outset. Ignoring the jealousies and rivalries in Washington, he ordered his staff to give maximum and urgent support to the British. We needed additional fuel supplies in Ascension, which the Americans supplied with their tankers. Valuable weapons, in particular the Sidewinder air-to-air missiles, supplemented and upgraded the capability of the Harriers, and a host of other incremental stores were all forthcoming without cost ever being mentioned."

    Thatcher "courage and obstinacy"

    Nott disagrees with Margaret Thatcher and many Americans who claim Britain could not have recovered the Falklands without American support. "I believe the decisive factor was Mrs Thatcher's firm and immediate decision to retake the Islands, despite the impressive military and other advice in the Pentagon to the contrary .... We could have succeeded without US logistic and equipment back-up though the operation would have been infinitely more extended and hazardous .... It took weeks of determined diplomacy before the White House wholeheartedly declared itself on the side of the British .... Congress and American public opinion had come down heavily on our side. By doing so, it destroyed the support of the South American dictators for Reagan's anti-Communist crusade in Central America."

    Praising Margaret Thatcher's leadership, Sir John Nott writes: "She had more courage and more obstinacy than a man .... She shut her mind to the risks of conducting such an adventure eight thousand miles away .... In the last resort, it was a woman's war - and the woman in her won."


    'Here Today, Gone Tomorrow' by Sir John Nott, Politicos, London, 2002

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    [DW58] Although we do not normally advertise on MP.Net, I thought a heads up on this item would be of interest as I have no connection to it whatsoever, although I do have a copy on order. At only £5.00 for a 160 page publication, this represents amazing value This website is that of SAMA82, a Falklands Veterans charity.

    Official Commemorative Publication

    For a few brief weeks in 1982 the Falklands Conflict gripped the nation and the world. Falklands25, the official souvenir publication of the Commemoration, tells the story of Britain’s campaign to re-take the Islands through the eyes and ears of all those involved - from British service and civilian personnel to the Islanders themselves. It catches up with the veterans of the Campaign as they are today – and the Islanders, their memories, their hopes – and their thanks.

    Those who receive invitations to the Official Events will receive a Complimentary copy of the Official Souvenir Publication.

    Full colour, approx 160 pages.

    N.B. Please note that this souvenir publication is not currently available for dispatch, all orders will be fulfilled immediately upon production which is expected to be mid May.

    (Produced by Newsdesk Media Group. Publication Image kindly supplied by the Imperial War Museum)

    SAMA82 Falklands 25 Website

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