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    RAF Regiment gunner recalls his role in Falklands liberation

    23 May 07

    An RAF Regiment gunner has been recalling his experiences of 25 years ago when he was one of the many thousands of British military personnel who sailed south to help liberate the Falkland Islands.


    WO Pat Patel at Stanley airfield. Argentine POWs can be seen in the background
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    Warrant Officer Pat Patel, currently serving at the Airmen's Command School, RAF Halton, was a member of the RAF Harrier Force that deployed to the Islands following the invasion by Argentine forces in April 1982.
    Part of a small RAF Regiment team responsible for the setting up of airfield defences when the Harrier Force was deployed, at the time of the Falklands campaign Pat was a corporal whose job was to train and advise personnel on Force Protection.



    Shortly after the invasion a decision was made to send a number of Harriers to join the main Task Force which was already en route to the South Atlantic. Pat and his colleagues were tasked to prepare the Squadron for the battle that would inevitably follow:
    "We were always ready for such an event and trained regularly," Pat explained. "However, this was 'for real', therefore the level of command training and preparations was more intense and had direction."
    Pat and his team travelled to the Falklands with the Harriers which were loaded onto a Sea Link Ferry that was on its way to the scrap yard but which had been re-commissioned and converted to a troop carrier.


    WO Pat Patel raises the RAF Ensign at Stanley
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    On their way to joining the Task Torce, they kept themselves busy, enforcing a schedule of training on board ship. From 8am to 4pm they sharpened their skills on weapons handling, fitness, personal survival and live firing. This helped to bond the Squadron into an effective team while also helping get them into the right frame of mind. The training was extended to the civilian crew who bought into the training ethos:
    "Our journey took us past Africa and close to Ascension Island," Pat continued. "We experienced all variations of climate, and took part in the traditional equator dipping ceremony, which helped maintain a high level of morale and take our minds off what the journey was for - to take us to war.
    "Things began to get more serious as we experienced very high and dangerous seas in a ship that did not have stabilisers. It was not a journey enjoyed by even the most experienced members of the crew, and we had to endure this for several days before joining the Task Force, who were stationed 200 miles from Port Stanley.
    "What was more of a concern was our fresh water plant, which kept breaking down. Also the Gurkhas, who were not used to sea travel, were suffering badly from the forced movement of the ship. At this point we became very focused, having been told to move around the ship with caution and to man our anti-aircraft guns in case of an attack from the air.


    "I will never forget the scene of the faces of sadness and failure amongst the prisoners and the heaps of weapons and ammunition lying all over the place." WO Pat Patel

    "We were now part of the 'force' and received information from the Battle ships as things developed. In all it took us six weeks to connect with the Task Force from the day we left Plymouth Harbour."

    Although the journey was challenging Pat feels he was well prepared when he arrived in the Falkland Islands, despite the ship having limited protection, offering an easy target for any enemy aircraft. However, within days of Pat's arrival the conflict was all over. He and the Squadron then sailed to help liberate Port Stanley:
    "Twenty four hours later we were flown onto the airfield to have our first experience of the battle that had ensued and to inspect the runway. As we approached the airfield some 6,000 prisoners were scattered all around; an aftermath of the war.
    "As we landed, we walked on the runway and surrounding area and came in contact with the Argentine prisoners of war. I will never forget the scene of the faces of sadness and failure amongst the prisoners and the heaps of weapons and ammunition lying all over the place.

    Training was provided for the civilian crew on board the ferry as they journeyed down to the South Atlantic
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    "The look of defeat was obvious and the discipline and control was noticeably different from the conscripted civilians to the professional soldier. I was given the task of raising the RAF Ensign for the first time at Stanley Airfield on what was the only surviving aerial mast close to the Air Traffic Control building."

    Pat and the rest of the Squadron began to settle into a routine, moving into a civilian property in Stanley. Each day they would return to the airfield, setting up tents, bringing supplies such as food and water so that they could operate effectively from the airport.
    "We cleared up the airfield and set up a forward operating base for our Harriers to operate from. The important prisoners were searched, disarmed and sent to our ship. My fond memories of the campaign was how the British troops involved worked together as one and the friendships that had developed through their own experiences cannot be described.
    "We were tasked with the guarding of General Menendez which was quite an experience in itself. I had experienced a liberation of people, experienced something that you would not normally have seen during the early 1980s and those memories will remain with me forever. I spent six months on the islands but I have to say, it was such a pleasure returning to my family and friends again in England!"
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    Taken from arrse;
    Just so as you're all aware guys; Mark Knopfler is releasing a new version of 'Brothers in Arms' next week It's renamed slightly too ' Brothers in Arms - 25' a reference to the 25th anniversary of the Falklands.

    All involved have given of their time and effort free and Mark Knopfler, his management team and Universal Music/Mercury Records have all forgone any claim on royalties. That means that around 70% of all sales will go directly into SAMA. The recoard will be mainly available on download sites because thats the way it works these days although a limited number of CD's are being made too.

    More importantly the funds are not just going into general funds but into a ringfenced pot which will pay for guys getting back 'Down South' to deal with the problems an awful lot of the lads have experienced. As you'll know; the suicides now outnumber the battle casualties but of those who have been back to the Islands there are no known suicides.

    The cover has been designed by Dean Regan, himself a veteran www.deanreganart.com.

    The single is available through iTunes and the other download site as from Tuesday 29th May.

    Pass this buzz around if you will, the end result is important.


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    Give us our HMS Sheffield

    http://www.sheffieldtoday.net/news?articleid=2894433

    By Nancy Fielder
    THE Royal Navy must do a U-turn and rename its newest ship HMS Sheffield, politicians from across the city demanded today.
    Top levels talks between the Secretary of State for Defence and the Admiralty are being called for over the controversial Navy decision to offer Sheffield affiliation with HMS Diamond but refuse to rename it after the city.
    Now The Star is urging everyone to throw their weight behind the campaign to persuade the Royal Navy to change its mind and honour the city's proud links with three previous HMS Sheffields.
    Campaigners say history is on our side because a crucial precedent was set in 1988 when HMS Bruiser was renamed HMS Sheffield in honour of the ship hit by a missile during the Falklands War.
    Sheffield Central MP Richard Caborn, Coun Jackie Drayton, who was Lord Mayor when the decision to say no to HMS Diamond was taken, are spearheading the campaign.
    And it has cross-party support with Lib Dem leader Paul Scriven also urging Sheffield people to do all they can to bring about a change of mind at the Admiralty.
    The politicians are outraged that 25 years after HMS Sheffield was hit during the Falkland War the historical ship title is not being allowed to live on through the new Type 45 Destroyer being launched this autumn.
    Mr Caborn has pledged to call a meeting with the Secretary of State for Defence Des Browne and the Admiralty demanding a rethink: "I want the Admiralty to explain their current decision in front of the Secretary of State. I will put to that meeting that we should be given special treatment.
    "At the end of the day it makes sense for the name HMS Sheffield to live on and I know that the people of Sheffield will support me."
    Coun Drayton said her original pleas for the Navy to rename the ship had fallen on deaf ears and urged people to join the campaign.
    The council turned down the offer of being affiliated with HMS Diamond - despite the Navy warning they would not name any ships after cities for at least 20 years.
    Coun Drayton said the 1988 precedent and a 2003 pledge from the then First Sea Lord Admiral Sir Alan West that another HMS Sheffield would "certainly merit consideration" all weighed in the city's favour.
    Coun Drayton said: "I felt very strongly that the people of Sheffield would wish to have links with a ship but the ship should be called the HMS Sheffield and
    urged the First Sea Lord to please reconsider - the Navy refused.
    "I did ask them if I could ask the local newspaper to do a poll so we got the views of the citizens of Sheffield but they said that the discussions were confidential."
    Coun Scriven has already demanded a full investigation into why Sheffield turned down HMS Diamond without any public consultation and has asked council officers to find out if the offer of affiliation is still open.
    He is also calling for as many people as possible to join the campaign to get the ship renamed - but stressing that the city should have a Naval affiliation whatever the outcome on the name.
    "First and foremost I would urge people to back the campaign to get the decision changed but if we can't change the Navy and Government's position we should make it clear that we do want a link with a ship even if it is called something else," he said.

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    Hear hear!

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    Hear hear!

    Why are we suddenly going back to letter class ships like we actually had a world class navy?

    Diamond has some history, but we should carry on with the city names - leave the letters for subs...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Diamond_(D34)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Diamond

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    Quote Originally Posted by [WDW]Megaraptor View Post
    I think burying all your nation's war dead in one cemetery in the capitol and not leaving anyone behind, dead or alive, is something unique to American military culture.
    No, its something unique to modern international air travel - Lots of americans have been buried overseas - for example see the normandy cemetary (Saving private ryan, etc) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_W...y_and_Memorial

    I think korean boys came home as well, large and in part to seas that werent full of uboats, and better refrigeration systems.

    Most countries 'these days' bring their dead home to their families.

    ps. "all your nation's war dead in one cemetery in the capitol" would be one PACKED cemetary.

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    Packetloss - the topic of where to bury one's war dead was never really the topic of this thread and was settled around 500 posts ago.

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    24th May 1982: HMS Antelope's Magazine's Exploded.. RIP to the fallen..
    (like Gaz this is a date that i remember as it is my birthday)

    - Alex.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeltaWhisky58 View Post
    There were a fair number of interceptions of this FAA B707 in the early stages of the conflict, at this time the ROE were such that it was escorted away from the Task Force/Exclusion Zone. By the time the ROE were changed, the B707 had ceased its probing/recce missions. Has it come back, it would have been splashed.
    DW; I believe it(one) was shot down; I have a book by(Ethell) "Air war in the Falklands" ; Ill check it and get back to you. of course Mr Ethell killed himself in the process of crashing a p-38 several years ago so if inaccurate........ he aint around to defend (or correct) himself. my apology if this has been covered already in the 300 plus pages in this mega. Regards Rhino

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhinoheartbatjuice View Post
    DW; I believe it(one) was shot down; I have a book by(Ethell) "Air war in the Falklands" ; Ill check it and get back to you. of course Mr Ethell killed himself in the process of crashing a p-38 several years ago so if inaccurate........ he aint around to defend (or correct) himself. my apology if this has been covered already in the 300 plus pages in this mega. Regards Rhino
    You might be referring to the C-130 Cmdr Ward shot down. There were no 707's downed in the conflict however they were fired upon.

    22nd May 1982

    An Argentine Air Force Boeing 707 on a reconnaissance mission avoided being hit by HMS Coventry's Sea Dart as a flash-door failed safe, preventing missile loading on the launcher.

    A second 707 approached the Bristol Group later in the morning. Tidespring had reported the aircraft's presence and HMS Cardiff dropped back from the group. When the 707 came within her range, Cardiff fired a Sea Dart salvo. One missile was seen to burst close to the target which broke away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rhinoheartbatjuice View Post
    DW; I believe it(one) was shot down; I have a book by(Ethell) "Air war in the Falklands" ; Ill check it and get back to you. of course Mr Ethell killed himself in the process of crashing a p-38 several years ago so if inaccurate........ he aint around to defend (or correct) himself. my apology if this has been covered already in the 300 plus pages in this mega. Regards Rhino
    That is a definite negative.

    No Argentine AF B707s were shot down during the Falklands conflict. The only large aircraft downed was the C130 shot down by "Sharky" ward as mentioned above.

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    Please don't take this as Argentine propaganda... its fact... I'm not sure if you are aware but Uk and Argentina have fought 4 different times... 1806, 1807, 1833 and 1982... Btw I will not count our win 1986...
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4779479.stm

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