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    The Army's AH-64E Apache began test and evaluation of its Block 3 capability to include recent upgrades of an air-to-air-ground video relay, embedded diagnostics, external fuel tank system and the newly integrated Link 16 communications system at Eglin Air Force Base, Fla., Aug. 4. Many 96th Test Wing units are supporting the testing to include the 46th Test Squadron and 96th Range Support Squadron. (U.S. Army photo/Capt. Jesse Paulsboe)


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    Nice pic. 10char

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    But cost $40+ millon can go 20x predador

    UAV the job done


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    Quote Originally Posted by Book View Post
    But cost $40+ millon can go 20x predador

    UAV the job done

    Well in 15-20 years time you will be right when there will be Helicopter UAV's with the same payload, manoeuvrability, hovering capability, nimbleness....
    But at the moment they are two machines doing different missions... But eventually they will merge I guess.

    Right now the Apache has some advantages that the UAV's just do not have... And they need to be upgraded to stay at the tip of the spear, they have proven invaluable in OIF and OEF...

    But eventually manned helicopters will go the way of the dodo... How long that will take is the question.. But it will happen

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    I would be carefull with UAV's, IMHO unmanned vehicles might become the wrong way at all. Not many people are even aware of unmanned vehicles limitations, like lower situational awareness, slower reaction time and so on.

    Living pilot steering it's machine is better than a robot, and living pilot steering machine from long range must be ready for delays due to connection distance.

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    Does the Block 3 have enhanced SAS smock detection ability and anti-stalking systems?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Book View Post
    But cost $40+ millon can go 20x predador

    UAV the job done

    An Ah-64E is actually 36 million

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    Quote Originally Posted by Commisar92 View Post
    An Ah-64E is actually 36 million
    I read $50+ millon some depend customor. But say the $ 36 millon ok can go 10 Predador or 1 F16 new.

    Still lot money.

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    In 2009, four MQ-1B airframes plus one ground station and satellite uplink came in at 20mil US$ (source). A MQ-1C is 5.4mil US$ per unit for the airframe alone (source). Not sure how you could get 10 of those for 36mil bucks.

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    That photo isn't Eglin AFB, so why is this in the photo section instead of news?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Book View Post
    I read $50+ millon some depend customor. But say the $ 36 millon ok can go 10 Predador or 1 F16 new.

    Still lot money.
    Either way the U.S. still needs them. You can't compare this to an F-16, different branch, with a different objective. I would rather have a human pilot, so would the Army, then 10 UAV's controlled from a continent away. UAV's IMO will never replace human pilots. Just look at the LRS-B.

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    Some ought to look at the accident rates for UAV. Some ought to look at the flight regimes that Preds fly in the face of air defense assets. Some should consider which aircraft is likely to execute an order to fly into a hill just because it got told to do so (by error or hacking). Some should consider the available bandwidth (especially SATCOM) before blackening the skies with Preds. Some should consider the weather that Preds are able to fly in. Some should consider the take off and landing flexibility of Preds. Some should consider the number of stowed kills and types that a Pred can carry. Some should consider that the cost of a Pred to be able to do considerably more will be considerably more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yasotay View Post
    Some ought to look at the accident rates for UAV. Some ought to look at the flight regimes that Preds fly in the face of air defense assets. Some should consider which aircraft is likely to execute an order to fly into a hill just because it got told to do so (by error or hacking). Some should consider the available bandwidth (especially SATCOM) before blackening the skies with Preds. Some should consider the weather that Preds are able to fly in. Some should consider the take off and landing flexibility of Preds. Some should consider the number of stowed kills and types that a Pred can carry. Some should consider that the cost of a Pred to be able to do considerably more will be considerably more.
    So, you're not a UAV guy?

    The main problem I have with UAV's, which many of them you pointed out, is that UAV's will never equal what a human pilot brings to the table. Full situational awareness of the battlefield and being able to make quick decisions that a drone will ever do. UAV's do have some perks. Like keeping the pilot out of danger and to loiter for longer periods of time. Sure it works great in Iraq/Afghanistan taking out Jihads without SAM's, but how will it match up against a country like Russia/China? Those UAV's would get shot out of the sky before even getting close to the country to drop the payload. Give me an F-15/16/18/22/35 over a drone any day. Who knows, one day UCAV's could prove me wrong.

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